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A lot of mobile games like Dragon Nest M, Mir4 and Ragnarok still has more combat than this game 💀 btw dragon nest M I think have the best mmorpg combat on mobile
I don't even trust actual gameplay presentations. Remember Anthem? That game made me into the cynical bastard I am today. I'm not forming any true opinion unless I'm literally 10 hours hooked in. Not even a 2 hour demo would suffice for me lately. Hello Outriders.
what are you on about? Its quite literally Lineage 3. Same combat as Lineage 2 And botting was like a known secret, if you wanted to be a top player you either botted, RMT, or botted+RMT.
@@whoaskedyoutolookatthis L2Walker who's with me?! On a serious note, botting was a real issue back in the days and lineage was not "westernized". Grinding and get like 0.3% per mob was suffering and it wasn't even near max lvl. As if it wasn't enough, u maybe shared a farming spot with someone and the other guy decides to just make ur day a little more worse, he calls his buddies or clan and they come and kill u and u lose 3.75% exp = hours of farming.
to be fair, tomorrow as in SEA timezone, is update for land of morning light expansion, if you want to call it that way. shud have comes with some nice events too, wellcome back XD
Only combat tbh, ive been playing BDO since a year and a half more or less, and the 1v1 pvp is so satisfying , but then i feel a deep void in terms of MMO genre x.x
Every MMO content creator I've seen uses Steparu's footage. Not to bash anyone using his videos, but dude is clearly not getting enough attention for the content he provides.
Same subscriber here for age, I really like his content for every new mmos he post no bullshit, no sponsor shit, no talk just pure gameplay till the end.
Good job to the guy who did the trailers for this shit, must be really good to get us all like that Man i never thought it could be worse than New World holy shit
Never thought the day would ever come when a new MMO releases and makes me long for Bless Online but here we are. Bravo, NCSoft. Quite the achievement.
why people always talk about bless online and not bless unleashed?? its a very good mmorpg with very bad developers sadly but the combat in this game is so fuking good. i have 4700 non afk hours in the game and it released in august 21, sadly theres not alot of active players left and i have no clue why not more people play it...
Damn, how much i loved Lineage 2. Just listening to the music from the game he used in this video fills my heart with joy and nostalgia. Pity NCSoft turned into garbage, they made the best mmo and then proceeded to destroy themselves. Such a shame. This could have been Lineage 3, they just had to update the graphics and the dated L2 gameplay.
@@TudX011 Whoever says at any point that NCSoft were a great mmorpg dev needs to lay off the copium. They were always shady and shitty. Only reason L2 was as popular as it was is purely because it was the best f2p mmo at the time. It was f2p, the combat wasn't great, BUT it was f2p at the time that very few people spent more than few bucks on a f2p games. So you didn't feel it as much. Only Good game they released, since L2, was GW2, and they didn't develop that. They fucked Aion, They Fucked City of Heroes, They Fucked blade and Soul, so yeah, great dev, they were not.
how is it garbage? its literally an extremely upgraded l2 you all get affected so easy by all these negative reviews from people who didnt even play the game, or played it for 1 day Imagine playing any game for short time and have opinion about it, when every games good parts is literally at the end game
The absolute worst part is that it just exposes how few MMORPG players actually want to play an entire MMO. Majority of players actually don’t cares about the exploration, experimentation and discovery. They rather the game play itself trough the “boring” parts. It says so much about the players you play with.
I think a ton of players just want to PVP In MMOs which can be really fun but also take hundreds if not thousands of hours grinding/farming to even compete with others. I think some want to be able to enjoy that part of the game without wasting away 500hours killing mindless bots
Even now, people still complain about the way Ashes of Creation looks and plays. At least they're showing us how it looks and plays, aye? Food for thought.
tab targeting is the best mmorpg method ever, and this comes from a competitive overwatch/cs go/val player, mmorpgs like WoW and FF dominate for a reason so tab targeting doesnt seem to be that bad huh, an mmorpg is about relaxing and hanging out with friends, action combat (having to always aim ur spells that you used for over 10k times) is just dumb i would rather go for a hybrid if anything.
Honestly I can hardly have any sympathy for anyone who dumps all their money into shitty ass mobile MMO's. As long as you're not a kid who's getting sucked into gambling (though kids aren't typically known to have an ample supply of disposable income) you're an adult and you need to take responsibility for yourself and your finances. I get the gambling can be a genuine physical addiction, but that still requires you to start in the first place. And you can't blame gambling addiction for getting you into gambling, only can you blame it for keeping you gambling, and even then you still need to have some level of accountability and responsibility for not taking any steps to recover from that addiction. All in all, I find it hard to blame these companies for making these types of games. They're the shittiest possible games you can make with the shittiest gameplay, and yet they make loads of money off people who willingly hand over their bank accounts for pixels. It's a timeless classic, but it's about time we start blaming the people who engage in this and not the companies who facilitate those people's decisions. Those who don't like these games just won't play them, and those who do, will. As far as I'm concerned it seems everyone is getting what they want, even if not everyone is necessarily wanting what they _should_ want.
I tried private server few weeks ago, and damn it didnt age well compared to some other MMOs. But re-make could fix most of the problems so count me in
Yup. And what about Dekaron?? The combat was pretty dope too. Upgrade Dekaron to UE5, teak the end game content just a bit, and that'll be the last game I play until I die.
I believe this must be a case study of greatness for the future! The marketing team of this game made something amazing honestly, even though the actual game was trash.
@@TheLazyPeon The Dion soundtrack aka Shepard’s Flute always hit me with amazing memories like Niagara waterfall. I am sad that there will be no more such beautiful stories like it was back in the days. Sometimes I enter on some private servers just to stay in Dion and smile :)
I'm a veteran l2 player, I love many aspects of this game... the visual, songs... what is killing it is the "mobile bullshit" and yeah: the combat could be at least something like FF14
@@georgewashington7982 Speak for yourself buddy boy. I actually quite enjoy tab targeting. Not saying I hate action combat, but it doesn't have to disappear all together.
@@georgewashington7982as a wow player, I agree it's great for nostalgia but it's archaic and should not be in any games unless they are trying to capture the "classic" feel
I'm old Lienage 2 player, i've been playing L2 for about 10 year, on and off now, the best version is Interlude where auto-hunting doesn't exist and i can assure you most of the ppl think this way, almost every player who still plays L2 thinks that auto-hunting suck and is taking away from the game that we loved, I'm not going to give any chance to a game with auto-hunting system. It is just ridiculous P.S Good job with that L2 soundtrack in the background you got there :D
Thanks for the revenue comparisons, it really puts things into perspective, and I must admit, as much as I am a champion of putting players first, when confronted with those numbers, I would develop the one making billions and have people hate me.. and make sure my family is taken care of... that perspective helps me not be so virtuous with my expectations of what we think a developer should do.
you might be able to argue this happens because most people are overworked. they only have time to play games on their phone on the train, airplane, cab, small breaks etc etc etc. What i find interesting, deeper than that, is how the p2w has so much success. Could it really be just whales, in general?? Or is it more true that people on average can't see the forest through the trees, when buying 800%!!!!!!!!!! VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only to realize what they just bought is useless in another 5 hours of gameplay. I will agree and lean on the side that it could be fixed if people just stopped buying. But... if people are working nonstop and want to change money -> in game "time" ... we are getting into harder discussions.
@@hunterjobrien Or they can just live in their moms basements and pee in bottles! Gamers are the problem not the devs. People are just not committed to what it takes to be a true gamer! People are working and having money to P2W; back in the day, gamers had no money. They could barely afford monthly subs.
@@hunterjobrien It's true that there are some whales, but a dozen or so whales dropping 500k on the game isn't making 2-4 bil. The real issue is the manufactured "arms race" of P2W games. Back in the day BDO had weight, inventory space, pets, and a tent. If you were a newer player, everyone in the game ahead of you would say you basically aren't playing BDO without pets and a tent, it's only like $100 don't worry about it, it'll pay for itself. You feel "left out" like you'll never be able to progress at the same rate as those around you because you have to spend all that time going back to town to buy pots or repairing. Then you grind up a bit and get your ass kicked in PVP and think "If I had ONE upgrade I would have won that fight, it was so close! If I spend a little I'll get the edge I need". It's not the people dropping thousands, it's the people dropping a casual 50 or 100 every week or so. Consider every time somebody drops $60 on a cosmetic or a little boost is the same box price a studio spent millions on and years to develop a AAA title, but it took them maybe a week or two of labor. I knew a lot of people that played the game a lot and would casually drop a hundred or so every month because they could afford it and it was the only game they played. It's like selling a big release like GTA or COD except every month and for a fraction of a fraction of development cost.
@Riomasa what confuses me is that if a mobile gamer has that much money to spend, why not just buy a PC and enjoy a superior experience. Ive come to believe that the market is that way because there are people who want to pay to win hence why they won't participate in any PC platform that doesn't offer it
Man this makes me appreciate AoC even more now. Especially after hearing the statistics for how much each game has earned compared the more traditional ones like Gw2.
AoC is pmuch the last bastion of hope. But looking at how much "inspiration" Steven and Co get from ArchAge and other similar games makes me wonder. Maybe Pax Dei then? I don't know man... I'll die of old age by the time something proper arrives and takes over and purifies this morbid cesspool the MMORPG scene has become.
The problem with l2 is that its creator mocked it and forgot about it. The game remained alive essentially only on custom servers where the game continues. p.s. thanks for the mention!
Eye opening vid, thank you! I can see it has a place for certain gamers, sadly not for PC MMO fiends. We get year number 13 of disappointment 😂. Well done marketing team, got us again!
Do they even deserve props? Gamers have literally been tricked and duped year after year after year after year and yet every single time without fail companies are able to get people hyped for their eventual disappointing disaster of a game. At this point it seems like it hardly even takes any skill or effort to trick gamers into believing their promises and expecting their game to be good. Of course in a perfect world you should be able to be hyped for upcoming releases and believe whatever marketing you see, but we don't live in that world and that's been proven time and time again. So many gamers are just gullible as fuck, and if anyone's to blame it's them. Their gullibility allows these companies to get away with saying whatever they want and overpromising. It doesn't matter how hyped you are for a game, it's either going to be good or it's going to be bad. The marketing team doesn't care either. They don't need to skillfully trick people, since they're always going to market the game in the best possible light. They don't think "oh this game is shit, how can we make it look good", and so they aren't doing anything impressive. And since people always eat that shit up, it's not like they'd even need to try to trick people even if that's what they are consciously trying to do. So no, no props to the marketing team. Instead props to the consumers brains for being able to consecutively be so gullible and never learn after all these years of experiencing this same shit.
This makes me really sad. Like many others I have been waiting for some world breaking, S tier MMORPG game for ages, but seeing how much a true mmorpg like GW2 makes compared to all this garpage of mobile games, I wonder if we will ever get a good MMRPG game, like what would be the drive and motivation for the devs. The time period we live in is just .... no words,... but it is not the devs that are destroying MMORPG genre, it is all those supporters who pour money into all this garpage, motivating more devs to create more garbage... just F. (Sorry for a little bit of venting, this is just so depressing and frustrating, seeing what future probably looks like).
I wish more devs to be motivated by success of ff xiv instead of garbage mobile money spenders and whole mobile mmo cummunity just move to gambling irl or something other to waste their money. Literally, just give hungry pc mmo players game that is polished and plays well without p2w, people will fund devs future for generations by pure cosmetics/qol item shop.
@@fupidox5642 Sadly devs like these are rare. Gw2 has that scheme. f2p, b2p and only cosmetics and yet it made much less compared to the garbage we had seen. And sadly as Peon said in one of his previous videos. MMORPGS are not "IN" younger generation plays dog poop games like fortnite.... so another demotivation for devs to work on proper mmorpg. + Proper mmorpg takes much longer to develop and earns much less... another point.
@@Aureliaus Fortnite is the best arena-style shooter on the market right now, and it has a fair monetization scheme for people with a little self control. MMOs are just too expensive to make for the mild return, and even FF14's devs know that. It's why they're not making another MMO and haven't adjusted its budget even given its recent mainstream success.
@@Aureliaus It's a scummy model, but at least it's not p2w. They require you to buy the game (or rather expansions), then there's the living world stuff that you also gotta pay up for, because they offer loads of content, and great maps for gold making, events, and other stuff (not to mention if you care about the story, you kinda want to do stuff in order). Then on top of that they have the cash shop that's not just cosmetics (which are superior to whatever you can obtain in-game for free btw), but also have a shitton of "convenience" items, because they specifically designed things to be inconvenient and annoying. I'm talking unbreakable gathering tools, bag space, bank space, material storage space, stuff to dismantle gear, build storage, character slots, etc.
@@Aureliaus To be honest, young people don't have new mmorpg to play atm. They need to chose either something that was released when they were 5/10 years old or solid, but not that great games like new world or niche like albion online. I myself play new world with 20~ years old guys and I think if there was new game of quality similar to release wow or runescape but in modern sense of things, every 30+ gamer would be hyped to play it and younger people would follow.
but they're not releasing it on mobile so far, thats the whole thing with mobile mmos, people who work can just do their job while charging their phones and doing auto shit and swiping to push for higher stages/content/rankings or play it on train/traveling somewhere etc. etc. They're releasing mobile game and they haven't mentioned mobile version so people could download it on their phones, its only confirmed so far for PC and XBOX consoles, even if its on ncsoft purple launcher, the files are not for mobile. Which is the weirdest thing to me as although PC is surely popular and have the same imbeciles who swipe without reason like mobile "gamers", but mobile games have just insanely wider reach/range that could attract people to play. Im completely baffled about this.
Great video btw. You have grown significantly since you first started. good constructive criticism, you did your research and shown facts, while still making it entertaining. Great video
I still see so many people commenting on reddit and other sites saying "Omg it looks so good i can't wait to play it!!!" and i just can't stop laughing
old L2 player here and yeah T&L does look appealing to me but you nailed it when you said they should have just called it Lineage 3. i pretty much see it as that anyway but yeah, more people would be interested and more forgiving about the combat i think. also thanks for those L2 jams while the video played, taking me back, that game had amazing music.
u say melee cant catch ranged, but u dont know if there are skills later on like shadowstep or sprint skills... the best thing in this game i guess is the Massive guilds PvP and castle sieges etc
that’s disappointing. the game looked visually stunning. and i loved the idea of grappling and flying as a bird. i really hope they make a smooth combat system. either that or bdo could just throw grappling and bird flying into it, either way🤷🏻😂
Tears on my eyes from joy when i hear Lineage 2 music, and tears from the atrocity they produced when everyone was convinced by NCSoft it will be new era PC MMORPG.
The moment I saw auto-play, my glancing interest in the game disappeared. I had only heard about the game a couple months ago, but seeing people play the beta for a few minutes already told me everything I needed to know. 12 years just to go DOA lmfao
@@manoftherainshorts9075 given the track record of the previous games, thats likely. Idk who's playing them or why, but more power to them I guess?????
@@manoftherainshorts9075 due to it being a mobile game yes, I am starting to notice a trend here, are you gonna keep being willfully oblivious to the fact that their games only succeeded because they were able to reach a larger audience which they won't in the pc market? If so just stop replying after this, I have no intention to waste time with a moron
Exactly! And the funniest thing is that so many people here claim they wanted a successor to L2 while whining about the combat system of T&L. Can you imagine? xD I guess they will follow the herd mentality no matter where it leads them.
@@anatolydyatlov963 are you blind? TnL has waaaay more problems then just the combat. Lineage players wanted a good remake, not this p2w autofarm garbage.
@@paintspot1509 Read my comment again. Am I saying anything about p2w? I'm not. I'm only laughing at the people who are complaining about the static combat system, which is an improved version of what we had in L2.
I see a lot of people complain about the game. It’s just a beta and I’m sure they’ll change lots of things anyways I’ll be one playing it. I also know people only wants the same thing over and over again then start complaining all over the internet that they have nothing to play or nothing new.
Honestly I was very excited for this game back when they first revealed the isometric MMOARPG under the Lineage Eternal naming, it looked a lot better than Lost Ark and I'm all for those type of games and there's not many to choose from. When they relaunched it as T&L and showed a pretty generic third person MMO I was quite bummed, and when I found out it was tab-target I definitely discarded it, so it being garbage was of no consequence to me.
@@cloudedimpulse Silly western reviewers, caring about silly boxed ideas like decent combat and grubby monetization. Newsflash, western players want reactive and fun combat where you earn things, not pay 2 win. These Eastern companies needs to stop with that shit, we have standards.
I was cautiously optimistic for this game initially too, but took a "watch and wait" approach to it after seeing so many other games fail to be close to the advertisements. "Trust but verify" has never been more relevant.
Honestly, as an older gamer who isn't quite as dexterous as I used to be, the static, stationary combat doesn't bother me THAT much given that they have put great emphasis on the animations and flow of combat. Even the haters will have to admit the smoothness of the combat is pretty top-tier. However the auto-play....the auto-play is just a deal-breaker.
Auto-play is a stop-gap specifically for older gamers. It isn't efficient compared to actually playing. But, this allows you to still progress when the kids need tending or dinner has to be cooked. Also, the offline play makes it so working a full day doesn't put you miserably behind the people that no-life the game.
@@keldor8302 Yeah, but it's much easier to turn off thinking and blindly repeat what popular influencers are saying, so... hurr durr T&L bad, not gonna play, NCSOFT is destroying themselves etc. etc.
As a long time Lineage 2 player, I am still optimistic that I will enjoy this game. I don't think all the hate it seems to be getting is deserved just yet. I knew what to expect ages ago, and haven't seen anything I didn't expect yet. This was originally supposed to be Lineage 3, and other than a name change and a lore re-write to fit it's own universe, it's still looking a lot like the Lineage 3 that I have been waiting for for years. I'm not going to judge it until I can play it myself and see what the monetization is like. Everyone who is acting like it's the worst thing ever also hasn't played it yet. It's just a bunch of parrots repeating something they heard from someone else. If it releases and I don't like it, I will at least had my own opinion on it instead of just blindly agreeing with all the hate going around.
Yep, I tried so many mmorpgs, Tera has probably the best(or one of the best) combat systems. Very fluid and accurate. Too bad the endgame was all about the casino of enhancing.
I don't actually remember being fooled by this game's marketing. I just remember wondering how content creators were going to have to back-pedal after click-bait titles like "this game will end BDO." Glad to see you owned up to how poorly that click-bait aged. I respect that. :)
That's your fault for actually being hyped for a game, let alone an MMO, let alone an MMO made by a korean mobile MMO dev studio. You and everyone else should know better by now. And no I'm not just saying this in retrospect. I don't get hyped for any game, save for maybe FromSoft games since their track record is immaculate. However even then I have my reservations. Of course I want every game ever to be amazing, but I never expect that and I certainly don't form my expectations off a companies own marketing. It's 2023, gamers have no excuse to still be this gullible.
The non-autoplay combat looks serviceable to me and there's potentially a skill ceiling to strive for, but it's apparent that combat was designed around autoplay. They absolutely should've disabled autoplay for the western release and allowed you to move while attacking. If there's a netcode reason for the fixed combat, then they can forego that latter change. The world looks massive and it seems to be able to handle a large number of players on screen and attacking all at once not too long after launch. The p2w is my biggest grievance and the reason I won't play.
It might look like the combat was designed around Auto-play and mobile but this is actually how the combat more or less was in Lineage2, click to move with static combat. Except auto-play didnt exist back then. TL is Lineage 3, just with a different name and WASD movement instead and some other features. It was always developed as the successor of Lineage 2. Im not saying it's the right way of choosing this type since i know most people wants to run and jump around as they like, but as an old L2 player, it will be at least exciting to try it out.
@@mattsson265 It was giving me old school mmo vibes even though most of those I've played (like EQ) allowed you to move while using a decent number of abilities. The open world dungeons in this game intrigued me so I may make a casual toon; it's an old feature that I think modern mmos should have alongside instanced content. The biggest things that are going to hold back the wide appeal of this game in the west are the p2w and autoplay.
@@soulsmith4787 Yes monetization is the biggest question mark. I will just ignore auto play since it's rather useless anyway. Every streamer has said it's completely useless and it's 500% more efficient to just play "manually". People will probably kill u anyway when they see player using auto play so it's kind of what ever...
As a Lineage 2 player for 20 years I gonna play the shit out of this game. I dont care about auto hunting because its the same as in L2 so as always its always way slower XP to auto hunt than hunt manually. And I dont know why people were expecting combat like bdo or better because it was clear in trailer that it had l2 combat.
It is disheartening to see that most negative reactions about the game are simply reproductions without thoughtful reflection. Proper criticism requires an understanding of what the game aims to achieve. Action combat-oriented MMORPGs (such as TERA, BDO, New World, etc.) focus on dynamic, fast-paced fighting primarily for PvE and limited-scale PvP (1v1 to 3v3). Beyond that, it often devolves into chaotic encounters with players rapidly moving and unleashing countless crowd control effects out of nowhere. For those who enjoy reactive-based combat, akin to shooting games, this may be acceptable. As I see it, T&L sets out to provide interest and enjoyment through large-scale battles executed effectively. To accomplish this, a more grounded and deliberate combat system is necessary. While it may make PvE and 1v1 situations appear dull, especially at early levels with limited abilities and mechanics to engage with, it truly shines when multiple players participate in the battle. This approach offers a clear view of the battlefield, enables the formation of strategic combat groups, facilitates coordinated movement, and emphasizes proper positioning. These aspects enhance situational awareness, strategic decision-making, and ultimately lead to a greater sense of enjoyment in massive combats, resulting in fun experiences. One can easily observe this by watching recent GvG T&L videos, which bear a striking resemblance to old-school MMORPG wars like Rising Force, Ragnarok, Lineage 2, as well as more recent titles (although to a lesser extent) like ESO and GW2, which manages to achieve partially. It is important to note that comparing games within the same genre while focusing on different aspects, such as combat, can be misleading and unfair. Particularly, comparing early levels of one game to late-game content of another is dishonest and does not provide a comprehensive view of each game's overall experience. Although I am not defending T&L as a flawless game, it is evident that there is still room for improvement, especially concerning excessive automation in various aspects of gameplay.
I mean all this screams to me is that MMO players are just as much to blame as the company. How are we gonna sit here an complain about how there are no good MMOs coming out anymore when we're literally shilling billions to terrible mobile games instead of putting our money where our mouth is? I no longer empathize with the community after seeing the numbers when it comes to Lineage vs GW2. Throne and Liberty will also make a huge profit in the same breath that you all complain about the MMO genre.
What you described is 2 completely different kinds of people. The people that are traditional MMO players watching LazyPeon videos are not the same type of players that are shilling out to mobile games. This is exactly why that Diablo Immortal "Don't you guys have phones?" moment came about. There's a major difference between the audiences.
Speaking of BDO, I know you get back to it from time to time Peon, but I highly suggest you to come back next Wednesday 14/6 to check out the newest continent, a whole new continent that has a lot of new and juiciy content that according to Devs it will be a different way to play the game than we used to (it is, we've been following the updates from Korea), trust me it won't dissapoint you.
as someone who has been in cahoots with NC for many years, I can tell you one thing. There was a reason why this game had some many betas and all of them were behind closed doors 😅
I'll be honest; I have a strong bias nostalgia for Lineage II as I had a great IRL group to play with, and I've met a hell of a lot (and befriended a few) people from around the World. Up to this day I reminiscence and keep in high regard its lore. I totally can't understand why NCS went backward in regard to combat while they have a still viable and well developed in-between combat mode available (I'm looking at you Blade & Soul). I would not even mind it being P2W (like BnS) ;D For sure I will give it a try, but as there's currently no better Action-Combat MMORPG than BDO - it'd be rather a curiosity than dedicated play-through. [EDIT] ...Just wanted to add that: Yes, I am hugely disappointed by the outcome and I do feel cheated by NCS ...and I do feel stupid that I have hopped on the hype-train ;(
Ever since Choice's vid about BDO being far less p2w and bullshit over the last couple years, I've been over there. The p2w is very minor now. with seasons and guaranteed pens, it's really easy to catch up right now and jump into elvia. Trying to get my friends on it, but they already made their judgment call on BDO.
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why tf u have win11?
always using lineage 2 soundtrack and i love it
wish they did a unreal 5 lineage 2 but afraid of how they could kill it
A lot of mobile games like Dragon Nest M, Mir4 and Ragnarok still has more combat than this game 💀 btw dragon nest M I think have the best mmorpg combat on mobile
nah ill rather play T&L :)
thank you for the heads up. ive not been following but was kinda hype for this from the vids i had seen.
You saved me my time, ty.
That's why we NEVER can trust anything by trailers. Live and uncut gameplay need to be shown to be minimally trustable.
I don't even trust actual gameplay presentations. Remember Anthem? That game made me into the cynical bastard I am today. I'm not forming any true opinion unless I'm literally 10 hours hooked in. Not even a 2 hour demo would suffice for me lately. Hello Outriders.
Like that new Spiderman game reveal holy crap it looks good.
the cope will just extend to that Chrono Odyssey game
Problem is, you could already see a lot of crap on the trailers but people coped so hard they nuked anyone pointing it out at least on reddit.
people will bite trailer anyway since they are soooo desperate
A truly monumental achievement for their marketing department. Those people deserve a raise.
Absolutely. Reminds me of the trailers for the first suicide squad movie. These are professional shit-sellers.
Meanwhile basically non-existent GW2 marketing...
They deserve to fall i to bankruptcy
meh, before this they false advertised Blade and Soul 2. I think they just got a bit sneakier becuz of the back lash of that game.
Koreans gave up on NC soft a long time ago. They no longer have the ability to devlop decent games anymore.
Man they really got us good with this one
2023 and y'all mfs really be hyping new asian mmos. This is just masochism.
It really does just seem like a big ol prank doesn’t it 😂
what are you on about? Its quite literally Lineage 3.
Same combat as Lineage 2
And botting was like a known secret, if you wanted to be a top player you either botted, RMT, or botted+RMT.
@@whoaskedyoutolookatthis L2Walker who's with me?!
On a serious note, botting was a real issue back in the days and lineage was not "westernized". Grinding and get like 0.3% per mob was suffering and it wasn't even near max lvl. As if it wasn't enough, u maybe shared a farming spot with someone and the other guy decides to just make ur day a little more worse, he calls his buddies or clan and they come and kill u and u lose 3.75% exp = hours of farming.
H O W ? !
The existence of this game makes me appreciate BDO more than it deserved.
free marketing for pearl abyss, they should really give some reward by gaining this much appreciation after TnL.
@@qubixslol2356 Pearl Abyss celebrating the moment this game released, so yeah Games that introduced as "Game Killer" is a red flag to begin with. 😂
I'm thinking about returning to BDO...
to be fair, tomorrow as in SEA timezone, is update for land of morning light expansion, if you want to call it that way. shud have comes with some nice events too, wellcome back XD
Only combat tbh, ive been playing BDO since a year and a half more or less, and the 1v1 pvp is so satisfying , but then i feel a deep void in terms of MMO genre x.x
Shout out to Steparu. Creating MMO content for years.
For real. Been subbed to him for ages.
Every MMO content creator I've seen uses Steparu's footage.
Not to bash anyone using his videos, but dude is clearly not getting enough attention for the content he provides.
Same subscriber here for age, I really like his content for every new mmos he post no bullshit, no sponsor shit, no talk just pure gameplay till the end.
@@dearthmagbanua7995 fellow Steparu enjoyer, still remember being amazed at his tera/bns videos. time flies so fast rip
i love him xD
As an original Lineage 2 player and now Lineage 2 private server player I love the music of the video! That Dion music will always be in my heart!!!
Good job to the guy who did the trailers for this shit, must be really good to get us all like that
Man i never thought it could be worse than New World holy shit
In the history of following MMO hype I have never seen a major game look so good in trailers vs the actual product. It was truly a master piece
@@Crown.A True, this is going to be a great exemple to tell people " lower your expectations " seeing how this went
New world is very good game if u don't suck
There have been many worse MMOs than New World so no clue what you're talking about there lol
@@JohnSmith-oq1qz On release there was nothing to do at 60 except boring chest runs x)
Never thought the day would ever come when a new MMO releases and makes me long for Bless Online but here we are. Bravo, NCSoft. Quite the achievement.
Bless online😭😭 Jesus Christ man
why people always talk about bless online and not bless unleashed?? its a very good mmorpg with very bad developers sadly but the combat in this game is so fuking good. i have 4700 non afk hours in the game and it released in august 21, sadly theres not alot of active players left and i have no clue why not more people play it...
@@DonPascquale its dead and gone on console now. Same with terra.
Damn, how much i loved Lineage 2. Just listening to the music from the game he used in this video fills my heart with joy and nostalgia. Pity NCSoft turned into garbage, they made the best mmo and then proceeded to destroy themselves. Such a shame. This could have been Lineage 3, they just had to update the graphics and the dated L2 gameplay.
Lineage II - Town Theme - Shepard's Flute: th-cam.com/video/kih9VC6DV7A/w-d-xo.html
i don't think they destroyed themselves. Their reputation as a great mmorpg developer? maybe. Did they make a shit ton of many? You bet they did
I'm starting to hate him using l2 theme songs 😂 makes me push that download button of a system
@@TudX011 Whoever says at any point that NCSoft were a great mmorpg dev needs to lay off the copium. They were always shady and shitty. Only reason L2 was as popular as it was is purely because it was the best f2p mmo at the time. It was f2p, the combat wasn't great, BUT it was f2p at the time that very few people spent more than few bucks on a f2p games. So you didn't feel it as much. Only Good game they released, since L2, was GW2, and they didn't develop that. They fucked Aion, They Fucked City of Heroes, They Fucked blade and Soul, so yeah, great dev, they were not.
how is it garbage? its literally an extremely upgraded l2
you all get affected so easy by all these negative reviews from people who didnt even play the game, or played it for 1 day
Imagine playing any game for short time and have opinion about it, when every games good parts is literally at the end game
The absolute worst part is that it just exposes how few MMORPG players actually want to play an entire MMO. Majority of players actually don’t cares about the exploration, experimentation and discovery. They rather the game play itself trough the “boring” parts. It says so much about the players you play with.
Most MMO players barely want an MMO to begin with, most are just soloing in a multiplayer game.
@@stankobarabata2406 salty
I think a ton of players just want to PVP In MMOs which can be really fun but also take hundreds if not thousands of hours grinding/farming to even compete with others. I think some want to be able to enjoy that part of the game without wasting away 500hours killing mindless bots
Even now, people still complain about the way Ashes of Creation looks and plays. At least they're showing us how it looks and plays, aye? Food for thought.
tab targeting is the best mmorpg method ever, and this comes from a competitive overwatch/cs go/val player, mmorpgs like WoW and FF dominate for a reason so tab targeting doesnt seem to be that bad huh, an mmorpg is about relaxing and hanging out with friends, action combat (having to always aim ur spells that you used for over 10k times) is just dumb i would rather go for a hybrid if anything.
12:22 players getting sucked into gambling addiction is sadly a timeless classic
Honestly I can hardly have any sympathy for anyone who dumps all their money into shitty ass mobile MMO's. As long as you're not a kid who's getting sucked into gambling (though kids aren't typically known to have an ample supply of disposable income) you're an adult and you need to take responsibility for yourself and your finances. I get the gambling can be a genuine physical addiction, but that still requires you to start in the first place. And you can't blame gambling addiction for getting you into gambling, only can you blame it for keeping you gambling, and even then you still need to have some level of accountability and responsibility for not taking any steps to recover from that addiction.
All in all, I find it hard to blame these companies for making these types of games. They're the shittiest possible games you can make with the shittiest gameplay, and yet they make loads of money off people who willingly hand over their bank accounts for pixels. It's a timeless classic, but it's about time we start blaming the people who engage in this and not the companies who facilitate those people's decisions. Those who don't like these games just won't play them, and those who do, will. As far as I'm concerned it seems everyone is getting what they want, even if not everyone is necessarily wanting what they _should_ want.
That why i quit this shity game
when the ad gameplay is better then the game itself
Always has been... Remember those fake gameplay ad for mobile games like Mafia games or else ?
I just want Tera re-done, just better and with substancial story. It would be crazy
^ fr I miss early Tera
I tried private server few weeks ago, and damn it didnt age well compared to some other MMOs. But re-make could fix most of the problems so count me in
I miss my Valkyrie so damn bad
Yup. And what about Dekaron?? The combat was pretty dope too. Upgrade Dekaron to UE5, teak the end game content just a bit, and that'll be the last game I play until I die.
I miss the healing from tera so much, it has never been done in a better and more fun way since
I believe this must be a case study of greatness for the future! The marketing team of this game made something amazing honestly, even though the actual game was trash.
The case study would more likely be on the gulibility of MMO players.
@@alexbvv pretty sure most of the gaming world is pretty guileble
One of the best thing about your channel is that you mostly use soundtracks from "Lineage 2" and thank you for that!
And for the content too :)
L2 soundtrack is top tier
@@TheLazyPeon The Dion soundtrack aka Shepard’s Flute always hit me with amazing memories like Niagara waterfall. I am sad that there will be no more such beautiful stories like it was back in the days. Sometimes I enter on some private servers just to stay in Dion and smile :)
It always makes me cry when I remember what they did with Lineage 2.
Hands down to composer Bill Brown, did amazing work... I'm really happy all soundtracks are on spotify :)
I love how in the summer game fest ags tried it's hardest to hide the combat
I'm a veteran l2 player, I love many aspects of this game... the visual, songs... what is killing it is the "mobile bullshit" and yeah: the combat could be at least something like FF14
Hell nah tab target needs to die. We need a good action combat mmorpg
@@georgewashington7982 Speak for yourself buddy boy. I actually quite enjoy tab targeting. Not saying I hate action combat, but it doesn't have to disappear all together.
@@georgewashington7982as a wow player, I agree it's great for nostalgia but it's archaic and should not be in any games unless they are trying to capture the "classic" feel
@@spaceli0n yep, played WoW and ffxiv. As much as I love both games and raided in both, tab targeting is such a clunky combat style
@@Sarnatuile ye speak for yourself buddy. I don’t like tab targeting
I'm old Lienage 2 player, i've been playing L2 for about 10 year, on and off now, the best version is Interlude where auto-hunting doesn't exist and i can assure you most of the ppl think this way, almost every player who still plays L2 thinks that auto-hunting suck and is taking away from the game that we loved, I'm not going to give any chance to a game with auto-hunting system. It is just ridiculous
P.S
Good job with that L2 soundtrack in the background you got there :D
I'm excited for the Chrono Odyssey KEKW Episode.
Oh anap😂
We need more of the classic series peon!!!! Love your work!!
The game was so huge that I didn't know it existed until it failed.
So does this mean that all of our eggs are in the ashes of creation basket now?
This is why I no longer get hyped for games until I actually play them
BDO should launch new servers the day this game launches.
Thanks for the revenue comparisons, it really puts things into perspective, and I must admit, as much as I am a champion of putting players first, when confronted with those numbers, I would develop the one making billions and have people hate me.. and make sure my family is taken care of... that perspective helps me not be so virtuous with my expectations of what we think a developer should do.
A classic case of gamers ruining the gaming world, not the developers.
you might be able to argue this happens because most people are overworked. they only have time to play games on their phone on the train, airplane, cab, small breaks etc etc etc. What i find interesting, deeper than that, is how the p2w has so much success. Could it really be just whales, in general?? Or is it more true that people on average can't see the forest through the trees, when buying 800%!!!!!!!!!! VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only to realize what they just bought is useless in another 5 hours of gameplay.
I will agree and lean on the side that it could be fixed if people just stopped buying. But... if people are working nonstop and want to change money -> in game "time" ... we are getting into harder discussions.
@@hunterjobrien Or they can just live in their moms basements and pee in bottles! Gamers are the problem not the devs. People are just not committed to what it takes to be a true gamer! People are working and having money to P2W; back in the day, gamers had no money. They could barely afford monthly subs.
@@hunterjobrien It's true that there are some whales, but a dozen or so whales dropping 500k on the game isn't making 2-4 bil. The real issue is the manufactured "arms race" of P2W games. Back in the day BDO had weight, inventory space, pets, and a tent. If you were a newer player, everyone in the game ahead of you would say you basically aren't playing BDO without pets and a tent, it's only like $100 don't worry about it, it'll pay for itself. You feel "left out" like you'll never be able to progress at the same rate as those around you because you have to spend all that time going back to town to buy pots or repairing.
Then you grind up a bit and get your ass kicked in PVP and think "If I had ONE upgrade I would have won that fight, it was so close! If I spend a little I'll get the edge I need". It's not the people dropping thousands, it's the people dropping a casual 50 or 100 every week or so. Consider every time somebody drops $60 on a cosmetic or a little boost is the same box price a studio spent millions on and years to develop a AAA title, but it took them maybe a week or two of labor. I knew a lot of people that played the game a lot and would casually drop a hundred or so every month because they could afford it and it was the only game they played. It's like selling a big release like GTA or COD except every month and for a fraction of a fraction of development cost.
@Riomasa what confuses me is that if a mobile gamer has that much money to spend, why not just buy a PC and enjoy a superior experience.
Ive come to believe that the market is that way because there are people who want to pay to win hence why they won't participate in any PC platform that doesn't offer it
12 years, 12 fcking years waiting for this... this is literally soulcrushing, i cannot believe it...
Man this makes me appreciate AoC even more now. Especially after hearing the statistics for how much each game has earned compared the more traditional ones like Gw2.
AoC is pmuch the last bastion of hope. But looking at how much "inspiration" Steven and Co get from ArchAge and other similar games makes me wonder. Maybe Pax Dei then? I don't know man... I'll die of old age by the time something proper arrives and takes over and purifies this morbid cesspool the MMORPG scene has become.
How many times do we gotta teach you old man...
ASHES OF CREATION OR BUST!
Imagine spending 12 years on something just for it to be hot dog water
The problem with l2 is that its creator mocked it and forgot about it. The game remained alive essentially only on custom servers where the game continues.
p.s. thanks for the mention!
I've learned to curb my enthusiasm for ANY game released after 2020.
Eye opening vid, thank you! I can see it has a place for certain gamers, sadly not for PC MMO fiends. We get year number 13 of disappointment 😂. Well done marketing team, got us again!
Man, the Lineage background music brings back so many memories. I wish I could experience a game like thag again in my life.
How I temper my expectations of new releases: See who its by or who's publishing it, look at their track record, adjust expectations accordingly.
Props to the marketing team
Do they even deserve props? Gamers have literally been tricked and duped year after year after year after year and yet every single time without fail companies are able to get people hyped for their eventual disappointing disaster of a game. At this point it seems like it hardly even takes any skill or effort to trick gamers into believing their promises and expecting their game to be good. Of course in a perfect world you should be able to be hyped for upcoming releases and believe whatever marketing you see, but we don't live in that world and that's been proven time and time again. So many gamers are just gullible as fuck, and if anyone's to blame it's them. Their gullibility allows these companies to get away with saying whatever they want and overpromising.
It doesn't matter how hyped you are for a game, it's either going to be good or it's going to be bad. The marketing team doesn't care either. They don't need to skillfully trick people, since they're always going to market the game in the best possible light. They don't think "oh this game is shit, how can we make it look good", and so they aren't doing anything impressive. And since people always eat that shit up, it's not like they'd even need to try to trick people even if that's what they are consciously trying to do.
So no, no props to the marketing team. Instead props to the consumers brains for being able to consecutively be so gullible and never learn after all these years of experiencing this same shit.
...and may they burn in hell
Advertising team*
Dude just floats then disappeared at 9:41
its literally everything i expected.
black desert is really the only mmo that screams "what you see is what you get" when it comes to trailers
This makes me really sad. Like many others I have been waiting for some world breaking, S tier MMORPG game for ages, but seeing how much a true mmorpg like GW2 makes compared to all this garpage of mobile games, I wonder if we will ever get a good MMRPG game, like what would be the drive and motivation for the devs. The time period we live in is just .... no words,... but it is not the devs that are destroying MMORPG genre, it is all those supporters who pour money into all this garpage, motivating more devs to create more garbage... just F. (Sorry for a little bit of venting, this is just so depressing and frustrating, seeing what future probably looks like).
I wish more devs to be motivated by success of ff xiv instead of garbage mobile money spenders and whole mobile mmo cummunity just move to gambling irl or something other to waste their money. Literally, just give hungry pc mmo players game that is polished and plays well without p2w, people will fund devs future for generations by pure cosmetics/qol item shop.
@@fupidox5642 Sadly devs like these are rare. Gw2 has that scheme. f2p, b2p and only cosmetics and yet it made much less compared to the garbage we had seen. And sadly as Peon said in one of his previous videos. MMORPGS are not "IN" younger generation plays dog poop games like fortnite.... so another demotivation for devs to work on proper mmorpg. + Proper mmorpg takes much longer to develop and earns much less... another point.
@@Aureliaus Fortnite is the best arena-style shooter on the market right now, and it has a fair monetization scheme for people with a little self control. MMOs are just too expensive to make for the mild return, and even FF14's devs know that. It's why they're not making another MMO and haven't adjusted its budget even given its recent mainstream success.
@@Aureliaus
It's a scummy model, but at least it's not p2w. They require you to buy the game (or rather expansions), then there's the living world stuff that you also gotta pay up for, because they offer loads of content, and great maps for gold making, events, and other stuff (not to mention if you care about the story, you kinda want to do stuff in order). Then on top of that they have the cash shop that's not just cosmetics (which are superior to whatever you can obtain in-game for free btw), but also have a shitton of "convenience" items, because they specifically designed things to be inconvenient and annoying. I'm talking unbreakable gathering tools, bag space, bank space, material storage space, stuff to dismantle gear, build storage, character slots, etc.
@@Aureliaus To be honest, young people don't have new mmorpg to play atm. They need to chose either something that was released when they were 5/10 years old or solid, but not that great games like new world or niche like albion online. I myself play new world with 20~ years old guys and I think if there was new game of quality similar to release wow or runescape but in modern sense of things, every 30+ gamer would be hyped to play it and younger people would follow.
Damn he even has the nostalgic Lineage 2 music on
As a mobile game, it will definitely be big.
it's still crap and won't survive for long.
but they're not releasing it on mobile so far, thats the whole thing with mobile mmos, people who work can just do their job while charging their phones and doing auto shit and swiping to push for higher stages/content/rankings or play it on train/traveling somewhere etc. etc. They're releasing mobile game and they haven't mentioned mobile version so people could download it on their phones, its only confirmed so far for PC and XBOX consoles, even if its on ncsoft purple launcher, the files are not for mobile. Which is the weirdest thing to me as although PC is surely popular and have the same imbeciles who swipe without reason like mobile "gamers", but mobile games have just insanely wider reach/range that could attract people to play. Im completely baffled about this.
@@ChoJun69they're just waiting for the right moment
Welcome Back to BDO ^^
Great video btw. You have grown significantly since you first started. good constructive criticism, you did your research and shown facts, while still making it entertaining. Great video
holy f, the music brought me SOOO MANY memories back. I remember playing lineage 2 until the sun came out everyday, what an experience...
Bro whoever did the marketing needs a raise. He made a clown of everyone 😂
They removed the autoplay and redesigned the combat they actually listened to the massive feedback i cant believe it
I still see so many people commenting on reddit and other sites saying "Omg it looks so good i can't wait to play it!!!" and i just can't stop laughing
@@RAWsassin lol ok bud Goodluck with that, as I won't be, and there's no way for you to find me if I do roflmao fuck outta here
I already feel Asmon nodding with a raised brow and a smug smile.
For fuck's sake NCSoft, just make a proper sequel to Lineage 2.
Isn't throne and liberty very L2-esque?
@@xyr3s na, its just a copy of the moblie version of L2, not the original.
Great delivery! Bad > Good > How to improve. Very fair of you :o I enjoyed my stay :D
old L2 player here and yeah T&L does look appealing to me but you nailed it when you said they should have just called it Lineage 3. i pretty much see it as that anyway but yeah, more people would be interested and more forgiving about the combat i think. also thanks for those L2 jams while the video played, taking me back, that game had amazing music.
u say melee cant catch ranged, but u dont know if there are skills later on like shadowstep or sprint skills... the best thing in this game i guess is the Massive guilds PvP and castle sieges etc
that’s disappointing. the game looked visually stunning. and i loved the idea of grappling and flying as a bird. i really hope they make a smooth combat system. either that or bdo could just throw grappling and bird flying into it, either way🤷🏻😂
Tears on my eyes from joy when i hear Lineage 2 music, and tears from the atrocity they produced when everyone was convinced by NCSoft it will be new era PC MMORPG.
The moment I saw auto-play, my glancing interest in the game disappeared. I had only heard about the game a couple months ago, but seeing people play the beta for a few minutes already told me everything I needed to know. 12 years just to go DOA lmfao
DoA for mainstream MMO players, a lucrative new game for its creators. This game will earn 1 billion dollars, trust me.
@@manoftherainshorts9075 given the track record of the previous games, thats likely. Idk who's playing them or why, but more power to them I guess?????
@@manoftherainshorts9075 This isn't even a mobile game, I doubt it will overtake lost ark in terms of popularity.
@@RutakoVon I don't talk about popularity. I talk about revenue. Do you know anyone playing Lineage M? It earned way more money than Lost Ark.
@@manoftherainshorts9075 due to it being a mobile game yes, I am starting to notice a trend here, are you gonna keep being willfully oblivious to the fact that their games only succeeded because they were able to reach a larger audience which they won't in the pc market? If so just stop replying after this, I have no intention to waste time with a moron
Apt channel name, strictly on a personal level.
About the combat - seems like they stuck to the combat mechanics from L2 :) In there, you get frozen in place as well.
Exactly! And the funniest thing is that so many people here claim they wanted a successor to L2 while whining about the combat system of T&L. Can you imagine? xD I guess they will follow the herd mentality no matter where it leads them.
@@anatolydyatlov963 are you blind? TnL has waaaay more problems then just the combat. Lineage players wanted a good remake, not this p2w autofarm garbage.
@@paintspot1509 Read my comment again. Am I saying anything about p2w? I'm not. I'm only laughing at the people who are complaining about the static combat system, which is an improved version of what we had in L2.
@@anatolydyatlov963 might want to play L2 first before you talk like you know anything my man....
@@ChoJun69 I don't think I need to. Does having my own private server on Gracia Final and over 700h enough for me to talk about it?
I see a lot of people complain about the game. It’s just a beta and I’m sure they’ll change lots of things anyways I’ll be one playing it. I also know people only wants the same thing over and over again then start complaining all over the internet that they have nothing to play or nothing new.
Honestly I was very excited for this game back when they first revealed the isometric MMOARPG under the Lineage Eternal naming, it looked a lot better than Lost Ark and I'm all for those type of games and there's not many to choose from. When they relaunched it as T&L and showed a pretty generic third person MMO I was quite bummed, and when I found out it was tab-target I definitely discarded it, so it being garbage was of no consequence to me.
There are a lot isometric mmo's now
@@kpops_is_fab isometric MMORPGs? Like what?
@@Saurion1he probably means mobile games. Every one of them 7263 billion copypasted mobile mmorpgs out there
The relaxing song on the background is the Keplan city theme from Black Desert Online
Watching the footage in this video actually makes me want to play this game. It looks excellent.
Problem with these western reviewers is they would crucify anything that doesn't fit into their boxed idea of what an MMORPG is.
@@cloudedimpulsehat is simply not true, this is just lazy game design.
@@cloudedimpulse Silly western reviewers, caring about silly boxed ideas like decent combat and grubby monetization. Newsflash, western players want reactive and fun combat where you earn things, not pay 2 win. These Eastern companies needs to stop with that shit, we have standards.
I was cautiously optimistic for this game initially too, but took a "watch and wait" approach to it after seeing so many other games fail to be close to the advertisements. "Trust but verify" has never been more relevant.
Honestly the environments look pretty good
I still get the chills listening to Talking Island theme 🎉
Honestly, as an older gamer who isn't quite as dexterous as I used to be, the static, stationary combat doesn't bother me THAT much given that they have put great emphasis on the animations and flow of combat. Even the haters will have to admit the smoothness of the combat is pretty top-tier.
However the auto-play....the auto-play is just a deal-breaker.
Auto-play is a stop-gap specifically for older gamers. It isn't efficient compared to actually playing. But, this allows you to still progress when the kids need tending or dinner has to be cooked. Also, the offline play makes it so working a full day doesn't put you miserably behind the people that no-life the game.
@@keldor8302 Yeah, but it's much easier to turn off thinking and blindly repeat what popular influencers are saying, so... hurr durr T&L bad, not gonna play, NCSOFT is destroying themselves etc. etc.
Love the L2 background music! :D that slaps hard for me.
Do much memories.
As a long time Lineage 2 player, I am still optimistic that I will enjoy this game. I don't think all the hate it seems to be getting is deserved just yet. I knew what to expect ages ago, and haven't seen anything I didn't expect yet. This was originally supposed to be Lineage 3, and other than a name change and a lore re-write to fit it's own universe, it's still looking a lot like the Lineage 3 that I have been waiting for for years. I'm not going to judge it until I can play it myself and see what the monetization is like. Everyone who is acting like it's the worst thing ever also hasn't played it yet. It's just a bunch of parrots repeating something they heard from someone else. If it releases and I don't like it, I will at least had my own opinion on it instead of just blindly agreeing with all the hate going around.
Well its your energy bro but just remember nc soft hasnt changed in a decade.
Nice to see the pattern recognition skills hasn't been passed down in your genetic line.
hearing this music reminds me of hours spent on battles for XP spot or AQ/Baium. greetings to all L2 players
I miss the combat from Tera, I thought this would have a similar one. Thanks for sharing the info.
Yep, I tried so many mmorpgs, Tera has probably the best(or one of the best) combat systems. Very fluid and accurate. Too bad the endgame was all about the casino of enhancing.
I don't actually remember being fooled by this game's marketing. I just remember wondering how content creators were going to have to back-pedal after click-bait titles like "this game will end BDO." Glad to see you owned up to how poorly that click-bait aged. I respect that. :)
I was soo hyped for this game for almost half a year, they took my dream away...
Lol, I among other past L2 players waited for L3 for a decade, so let that sink in. :D
That's your fault for actually being hyped for a game, let alone an MMO, let alone an MMO made by a korean mobile MMO dev studio. You and everyone else should know better by now. And no I'm not just saying this in retrospect. I don't get hyped for any game, save for maybe FromSoft games since their track record is immaculate. However even then I have my reservations. Of course I want every game ever to be amazing, but I never expect that and I certainly don't form my expectations off a companies own marketing. It's 2023, gamers have no excuse to still be this gullible.
2023 MMORPG simply put: If developed by South Korea, don't expect a good game.
The non-autoplay combat looks serviceable to me and there's potentially a skill ceiling to strive for, but it's apparent that combat was designed around autoplay. They absolutely should've disabled autoplay for the western release and allowed you to move while attacking. If there's a netcode reason for the fixed combat, then they can forego that latter change. The world looks massive and it seems to be able to handle a large number of players on screen and attacking all at once not too long after launch.
The p2w is my biggest grievance and the reason I won't play.
It might look like the combat was designed around Auto-play and mobile but this is actually how the combat more or less was in Lineage2, click to move with static combat. Except auto-play didnt exist back then. TL is Lineage 3, just with a different name and WASD movement instead and some other features. It was always developed as the successor of Lineage 2. Im not saying it's the right way of choosing this type since i know most people wants to run and jump around as they like, but as an old L2 player, it will be at least exciting to try it out.
@@mattsson265 It was giving me old school mmo vibes even though most of those I've played (like EQ) allowed you to move while using a decent number of abilities. The open world dungeons in this game intrigued me so I may make a casual toon; it's an old feature that I think modern mmos should have alongside instanced content. The biggest things that are going to hold back the wide appeal of this game in the west are the p2w and autoplay.
@@soulsmith4787 Yes monetization is the biggest question mark. I will just ignore auto play since it's rather useless anyway. Every streamer has said it's completely useless and it's 500% more efficient to just play "manually". People will probably kill u anyway when they see player using auto play so it's kind of what ever...
As a Lineage 2 player for 20 years I gonna play the shit out of this game. I dont care about auto hunting because its the same as in L2 so as always its always way slower XP to auto hunt than hunt manually. And I dont know why people were expecting combat like bdo or better because it was clear in trailer that it had l2 combat.
Did you played the game? No? hummm.
Love the lineage music, was that from Dion Gludio ? :)
It is disheartening to see that most negative reactions about the game are simply reproductions without thoughtful reflection. Proper criticism requires an understanding of what the game aims to achieve.
Action combat-oriented MMORPGs (such as TERA, BDO, New World, etc.) focus on dynamic, fast-paced fighting primarily for PvE and limited-scale PvP (1v1 to 3v3). Beyond that, it often devolves into chaotic encounters with players rapidly moving and unleashing countless crowd control effects out of nowhere. For those who enjoy reactive-based combat, akin to shooting games, this may be acceptable.
As I see it, T&L sets out to provide interest and enjoyment through large-scale battles executed effectively. To accomplish this, a more grounded and deliberate combat system is necessary. While it may make PvE and 1v1 situations appear dull, especially at early levels with limited abilities and mechanics to engage with, it truly shines when multiple players participate in the battle. This approach offers a clear view of the battlefield, enables the formation of strategic combat groups, facilitates coordinated movement, and emphasizes proper positioning. These aspects enhance situational awareness, strategic decision-making, and ultimately lead to a greater sense of enjoyment in massive combats, resulting in fun experiences.
One can easily observe this by watching recent GvG T&L videos, which bear a striking resemblance to old-school MMORPG wars like Rising Force, Ragnarok, Lineage 2, as well as more recent titles (although to a lesser extent) like ESO and GW2, which manages to achieve partially.
It is important to note that comparing games within the same genre while focusing on different aspects, such as combat, can be misleading and unfair. Particularly, comparing early levels of one game to late-game content of another is dishonest and does not provide a comprehensive view of each game's overall experience.
Although I am not defending T&L as a flawless game, it is evident that there is still room for improvement, especially concerning excessive automation in various aspects of gameplay.
The lineage 2 background music was a nice touch
I mean all this screams to me is that MMO players are just as much to blame as the company. How are we gonna sit here an complain about how there are no good MMOs coming out anymore when we're literally shilling billions to terrible mobile games instead of putting our money where our mouth is? I no longer empathize with the community after seeing the numbers when it comes to Lineage vs GW2. Throne and Liberty will also make a huge profit in the same breath that you all complain about the MMO genre.
What you described is 2 completely different kinds of people. The people that are traditional MMO players watching LazyPeon videos are not the same type of players that are shilling out to mobile games.
This is exactly why that Diablo Immortal "Don't you guys have phones?" moment came about. There's a major difference between the audiences.
Speaking of BDO, I know you get back to it from time to time Peon, but I highly suggest you to come back next Wednesday 14/6 to check out the newest continent, a whole new continent that has a lot of new and juiciy content that according to Devs it will be a different way to play the game than we used to (it is, we've been following the updates from Korea), trust me it won't dissapoint you.
I know we gonna get the same vibe with Ashes of creation. all those years for nothing
Rationally upset that you referred to goddamn Woodie Harrelson in Zombieland as "the guy wiping his tears with money"
Thank you for the lineage2 soundtrack, brings back memories...
as someone who has been in cahoots with NC for many years, I can tell you one thing. There was a reason why this game had some many betas and all of them were behind closed doors 😅
Dion theme is the best part of this video :)
you putting the l2 music for in the background makes me fucking emotional. I want mmorpg to consume my soul totally like l2 did it back then
11:11 actually they improved combat, removed autoplay, change UI ftom mobile look
I'll be honest; I have a strong bias nostalgia for Lineage II as I had a great IRL group to play with, and I've met a hell of a lot (and befriended a few) people from around the World. Up to this day I reminiscence and keep in high regard its lore. I totally can't understand why NCS went backward in regard to combat while they have a still viable and well developed in-between combat mode available (I'm looking at you Blade & Soul). I would not even mind it being P2W (like BnS) ;D
For sure I will give it a try, but as there's currently no better Action-Combat MMORPG than BDO - it'd be rather a curiosity than dedicated play-through.
[EDIT] ...Just wanted to add that: Yes, I am hugely disappointed by the outcome and I do feel cheated by NCS ...and I do feel stupid that I have hopped on the hype-train ;(
Even in Ultima Online, an mmo from 1997, you can attack while moving. Jesus
Please don't fucking offend Lineage 2, this game is 20 years old and it still is better than most the games out there
"obviously it won't hoppens, but we can always dream" literally applied to every MMO in existence lol. Ig maybe with some exceptions
Nice touch with the Lineage II music
Ever since Choice's vid about BDO being far less p2w and bullshit over the last couple years, I've been over there. The p2w is very minor now. with seasons and guaranteed pens, it's really easy to catch up right now and jump into elvia. Trying to get my friends on it, but they already made their judgment call on BDO.
Yay! I'm famous! 1:05
like the music in back ground of lineage towns hunter and dion :D
NCsoft used to be kings before they fired a bunch of artists around the time C6 released for Lineage 2. Since then they're dead to me.
Greed is the killer of fun games.