The wording of the tweet that announced this newsletter suggests he was still working on it at the time, at least to some degree. Toby specified that this was a “mini” newsletter, so maybe this is just an exception for the smaller newsletter? If not, he probably meant that he finished writing it a while ago, but was working on actually creating the newsletter itself at the time of the tweet.
I would point out, saying “quite far” is Toby Managing expectations. It’s not about when he actually thinks it will be released, it’s about keeping the fan base from getting any particular date and going feral if the game isn’t on that date. More feral than usual anyway. If I were in Toby’s shoes, I think I’d be coy with the release dates too.
Also if people think every chapter individually is going to take 3 years the game would be 21 years old by the time it's done which seems a little bit ridiculous especially with toby hiring a new producer and new people to speed up the process
So much Guilty content this week Deltarune Chapter 4 development meeting internal deadlines with enough wiggle room to work on Chapter 5. Chapters 3 and 4 is totally dropping within a year's span
7:45 well, Papyrus and Flowey already meet and talk. Sans on the first hangout ask you about "talking flowers", and when Flowey appears with Asgore and everyone having a cute chat in the pacifist it's Papyrus who organized everything because Flowey told him, so yeah
17:56 - Blue is Integrity, actually! So the flowers in this line-up would be: Perseverance, Patience, Bravery, Integrity, and the Flowey would represent Determination I assume? I personally don't think it has meaning though, due to the fact that this line-up just makes the most sense design-wise. Yellow flower would clash with Flowey. Green has always been a stretch for the sake of symbolism, since in reality there aren't any green flowers. If he had to pick four for the sake of the gifs taking up the amount of space he likes, these four are the most likely choices. So... yeah.
Green flowers do exist in nature actually, but I agree it wouldn't be as aesthetically pleasing. I guess the bigger question is why stop at 4 when the sprites already exist for the others? All the Papyrus animations are totally recyclable after all. I understand it's probably nothing, but that's my argument for latching onto it lol.
also toby said that some of the team will be moved to CH5 development when CH4 is slightly more done. Which means that altough the current speed is high, it will get decrease the more of it is done
on the subject of the flowers in the newsletter... It *could* mean something. It could also be justified with "these are the ones that looked nice." The yellow flower... would probably look too similar to flowey. Even in Asgore's shop where the yellow and gold flowers are next to each other they look very similar. The green flower is interesting to think about though, but it would still be the one I'd probably cut next to make the gif/sprites the size I'd want. But even then... it is fun to speculate on whether there is something hidden here. The lineup of the flowers not changing is probably because its the same flowers from 2 angles of view.
oh god. I get it now. mew mew refered to papyrus in line "you should totally call it "Mew Mew", mew" at the end. and so papyrus's secret name is mew and mew mew's name is papyrus
naah that's overthinking it way too much XD I still believe the puzzle rooms are nothing other than berdly never being able to guess that you can put items on top of another
Chapter 3 was very complicated to develop due to a lot of gimmicks and sections, it is an unconventional chapter. Chapter 4 is supposef to be a lot more traditional though, so development on it should be much faster. Especially with the additional team and manager. They seem to be progressing well, meeting deadlines (and maybe even being a little bit faster than them if they’re able to work on some chapter 5 stuff). And while Chapter 3 was the main focus of development until it finished, Chapter 4 was also being worked on to an amount, so Chapter 4 started with an amount of work already completed, which wasn't as much the case for Chapter 3 It really does seem to me that chapters 3 and 4 will release within a year. I don’t know if I'd say 2024 for certain, but I do think it will be before this time next year assuming things continue going well
btw, first newsletter which actively talks about CH4, and only in it: asgore, flowey's heavy involvment and papyaysxd altough, those 7 flowers are the only real flowers in the game, flowey is a talking flower, asgore takes care of plants. And spring is also portrayed as flower season, where everything grows. And each newsletter is themed around it's season. So, this COULD just be a coincidence
Me during the newsletter, reading the first part: Yayy development going smoothly! I can’t wait for deltarune this fall! Me during the ladder half: … damnit Tony Fox…. Got my hopes up just to say “Release in a while” Copium: “HE JUST MEANS NOT TILL NEXT FALL! I MEAN THATS A WHILE AWAY TO SOME PEOPLE R-RIGHT?!?!?!!!” (I do wish he gave us a general timeframe though, like “Oh yeah it won’t be this fall. Maybe by December though? Give or take a couple months?”) Third edit: I dunno, all this flower imagery in the newsletter about chapter four is kinda suspicious? Maybe… Asgore’s flower shop? Or maybe… The flowers. Unmentioned here. At the wrong time. Feels… discarded and ignored… I dunno… might be a chapter 3 tease… FOURTH EDIT:::: Fallen Wing… so like… Ding Gaster, the royal? Fifth Edit: Expect a sixth edit Sixth edit: SUS ISD CLOVER UNDERTOLE YELLOW CONFEMED?
Toby: hey Temmie I need some art for the may newsletter, something with flowers. Tem: alright, mind if I reuse the flowers from flower king? Toby: sure, just don’t include all of them, the fans might start making weird theories… - Guilty: So the blue flower here probably represents Sans.
Oh, if the CH4 dark world will be flower shop, and if we pretend CH3 was off narrative one and wasn't supposed to happen, then Seam saying that next secret boss will be unbeatable could mean that in ch3, we're supposed to like, beat up the flower's in trash to get some protection thingy, and then go with it to ch4's boss, where there are a lot of strong flowers.
That does make some sense, though the shadow mantle protects from elec/holy according to the files, so that means CH4's boss would probably be themed around that somehow..?
I feel like Papyrus is weirdly the focus of most of the Newsletters? Like Papyrus is my favourite character so Im not complaining at all but its weird that he gets all the attention meanwhile Im pretty sure this is the first time Asgore has shown up. (Correct me if Im wrong)
To put it into perspective a bit, Castle Town on its own has more than 10 rooms in CH2. Again, it depends on the size of them but 10 is no doubt far less than a third of a chapter.
The newsletter says they just hired more people, they all get along, and the development process is on fire. How you you understand that to be development hell? Do you think Toby is lying?
I cannot be optimistic anymore. Since the beginning of deltarune chapter 1 to now. I no longer trust toby fox being reliable. He makes great ganes but it takes a long time to make it. Too long. I might just give up on this series until its legit done. Like 10 years from now.
I doubt it would be finished in 10 years. I bet it would be finished by 2026 at the latest. But I'd rather a project take its time being finished as opposed to them dropping all the chapters and their half baked and unfinished. Like this was the whole issue with the latest game in fnaf.
Also, keep in mind, these things usually written a month in advance. Meaning, this is the progress of April. Presumably
The wording of the tweet that announced this newsletter suggests he was still working on it at the time, at least to some degree. Toby specified that this was a “mini” newsletter, so maybe this is just an exception for the smaller newsletter? If not, he probably meant that he finished writing it a while ago, but was working on actually creating the newsletter itself at the time of the tweet.
I would point out, saying “quite far” is Toby Managing expectations. It’s not about when he actually thinks it will be released, it’s about keeping the fan base from getting any particular date and going feral if the game isn’t on that date. More feral than usual anyway.
If I were in Toby’s shoes, I think I’d be coy with the release dates too.
Can't wait to see fanart of Cursive!
so many people are seeing "quite far" and going "oh 2026
... like ... hes still aiming for this year I'm 90% sure
Also if people think every chapter individually is going to take 3 years the game would be 21 years old by the time it's done which seems a little bit ridiculous especially with toby hiring a new producer and new people to speed up the process
So much Guilty content this week
Deltarune Chapter 4 development meeting internal deadlines with enough wiggle room to work on Chapter 5.
Chapters 3 and 4 is totally dropping within a year's span
Keep in mind toby has also said that the release is "far" away. Personally I'm calling fall 2025
@BiomechanicalBrick I'm still hoping for 2024
7:45 well, Papyrus and Flowey already meet and talk. Sans on the first hangout ask you about "talking flowers", and when Flowey appears with Asgore and everyone having a cute chat in the pacifist it's Papyrus who organized everything because Flowey told him, so yeah
17:56 - Blue is Integrity, actually! So the flowers in this line-up would be: Perseverance, Patience, Bravery, Integrity, and the Flowey would represent Determination I assume?
I personally don't think it has meaning though, due to the fact that this line-up just makes the most sense design-wise. Yellow flower would clash with Flowey. Green has always been a stretch for the sake of symbolism, since in reality there aren't any green flowers. If he had to pick four for the sake of the gifs taking up the amount of space he likes, these four are the most likely choices. So... yeah.
Green flowers do exist in nature actually, but I agree it wouldn't be as aesthetically pleasing.
I guess the bigger question is why stop at 4 when the sprites already exist for the others? All the Papyrus animations are totally recyclable after all. I understand it's probably nothing, but that's my argument for latching onto it lol.
Flowey is gold and gold has been associated with determination so yeah
Toby absolutely proving himself to be one of the most wholesome devs out there, the part about Kanata made me tear up
11:12 the way you said "yum" there is scarily close to how you do vriska's voice in the homestuck read through and idk how to feel about that
i mean it is a spring newsletter so it’s about flowers…idk man
Yeah probably lol
21:59
Yellow, yellow-green and green overlap with colors already represented
also toby said that some of the team will be moved to CH5 development when CH4 is slightly more done. Which means that altough the current speed is high, it will get decrease the more of it is done
The Toriel + Alphys Hedge Amalgamate is definitely going to be the final boss of NUTDEALER.
on the subject of the flowers in the newsletter... It *could* mean something. It could also be justified with "these are the ones that looked nice." The yellow flower... would probably look too similar to flowey. Even in Asgore's shop where the yellow and gold flowers are next to each other they look very similar.
The green flower is interesting to think about though, but it would still be the one I'd probably cut next to make the gif/sprites the size I'd want. But even then... it is fun to speculate on whether there is something hidden here.
The lineup of the flowers not changing is probably because its the same flowers from 2 angles of view.
It's nice that they have a manager. I just hope it won't be rushed and half finished, but knowing toby I have high hopes
Yellow red and green is probably the colors of the fun gang’s souls. Susie, Kris, and Ralsei. I think it’s a fun reference
The papyrus impression was incredible, hahaha 💚
Cool, the Cat naming question confirms, in my mind, that Papyrus is one of the pieces of Gaster. Neat.
oh god. I get it now. mew mew refered to papyrus in line "you should totally call it "Mew Mew", mew" at the end. and so papyrus's secret name is mew and mew mew's name is papyrus
Polishing is a HUGE process, and he said first pass. My bet is in early 2025
I CANT BELIEVE TOBY COLLABED WITH CAMELLIA AAAAAAA ❤
Makes sense thay Flower King is Ch4, so in the epilogue Susie and Kris go to the Diner and she says that line about Kris' family being weird
Honestly papyrus's friends work pretty well, majenta is Frisk, cyan is Sans, orange is Alphys and blue is Undyne. and flowey is well flowey.
20:00 green is yellow plus blue! so maybe this alludes to ralsei partially being like flowey, like you were saying earlier
naah that's overthinking it way too much XD I still believe the puzzle rooms are nothing other than berdly never being able to guess that you can put items on top of another
Next year at best. They did chapter 3 in like what 2 -3 years and its supose to be light on the plot. Year is hopeful
Chapter 3 was very complicated to develop due to a lot of gimmicks and sections, it is an unconventional chapter. Chapter 4 is supposef to be a lot more traditional though, so development on it should be much faster. Especially with the additional team and manager. They seem to be progressing well, meeting deadlines (and maybe even being a little bit faster than them if they’re able to work on some chapter 5 stuff).
And while Chapter 3 was the main focus of development until it finished, Chapter 4 was also being worked on to an amount, so Chapter 4 started with an amount of work already completed, which wasn't as much the case for Chapter 3
It really does seem to me that chapters 3 and 4 will release within a year. I don’t know if I'd say 2024 for certain, but I do think it will be before this time next year assuming things continue going well
btw, first newsletter which actively talks about CH4, and only in it: asgore, flowey's heavy involvment and papyaysxd
altough, those 7 flowers are the only real flowers in the game, flowey is a talking flower, asgore takes care of plants. And spring is also portrayed as flower season, where everything grows. And each newsletter is themed around it's season. So, this COULD just be a coincidence
there's also mad mew mew tho
Me during the newsletter, reading the first part:
Yayy development going smoothly! I can’t wait for deltarune this fall!
Me during the ladder half:
… damnit Tony Fox…. Got my hopes up just to say “Release in a while”
Copium: “HE JUST MEANS NOT TILL NEXT FALL! I MEAN THATS A WHILE AWAY TO SOME PEOPLE R-RIGHT?!?!?!!!”
(I do wish he gave us a general timeframe though, like “Oh yeah it won’t be this fall. Maybe by December though? Give or take a couple months?”)
Third edit: I dunno, all this flower imagery in the newsletter about chapter four is kinda suspicious? Maybe… Asgore’s flower shop?
Or maybe…
The flowers. Unmentioned here. At the wrong time. Feels… discarded and ignored… I dunno… might be a chapter 3 tease…
FOURTH EDIT:::: Fallen Wing… so like…
Ding Gaster, the royal?
Fifth Edit: Expect a sixth edit
Sixth edit: SUS ISD CLOVER UNDERTOLE YELLOW CONFEMED?
this has more edits than my failed relationships
No i think the flower imagery is just because its spring tbh
Toby: hey Temmie I need some art for the may newsletter, something with flowers.
Tem: alright, mind if I reuse the flowers from flower king?
Toby: sure, just don’t include all of them, the fans might start making weird theories…
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Guilty: So the blue flower here probably represents Sans.
Stay determined
Orange is close to brown… so maybe Noelle? Blue is uh. Sans. I guess.
The stupidest thing in the gaming industry is the same things that are stupid across the entire tech industry.
Oh, if the CH4 dark world will be flower shop, and if we pretend CH3 was off narrative one and wasn't supposed to happen, then Seam saying that next secret boss will be unbeatable could mean that in ch3, we're supposed to like, beat up the flower's in trash to get some protection thingy, and then go with it to ch4's boss, where there are a lot of strong flowers.
That does make some sense, though the shadow mantle protects from elec/holy according to the files, so that means CH4's boss would probably be themed around that somehow..?
@@guiltyflygon church chapter 4 lol
I feel like Papyrus is weirdly the focus of most of the Newsletters? Like Papyrus is my favourite character so Im not complaining at all but its weird that he gets all the attention meanwhile Im pretty sure this is the first time Asgore has shown up. (Correct me if Im wrong)
if a chapter has more or less 30 rooms, then there is still 1/3 of the work to be done lol
To put it into perspective a bit, Castle Town on its own has more than 10 rooms in CH2. Again, it depends on the size of them but 10 is no doubt far less than a third of a chapter.
Maybe this year
A-Asgore is.. real?
I feel like this project is stuck in development hell for some reason.
Nah, I don't think so. We're just getting twice as much as we have previously in one go.
The newsletter says they just hired more people, they all get along, and the development process is on fire. How you you understand that to be development hell? Do you think Toby is lying?
I cannot be optimistic anymore. Since the beginning of deltarune chapter 1 to now. I no longer trust toby fox being reliable. He makes great ganes but it takes a long time to make it. Too long. I might just give up on this series until its legit done. Like 10 years from now.
I doubt it would be finished in 10 years. I bet it would be finished by 2026 at the latest. But I'd rather a project take its time being finished as opposed to them dropping all the chapters and their half baked and unfinished.
Like this was the whole issue with the latest game in fnaf.
First