This video shows how incompetent referees can spoil the exciting finals of the team kumite competition. Please watch carefully the Dietl-Yamamoto match!
At 7.57 , what technique scored against Yahara. Kick was short, Yaharas punch maybe scored, but I didn't see any other scoring technique. Whole refereeing was not the best.
I've seen worse in terms of judging and refereeing...although it's true there was a clear bias against non-japanese competitors in the 70s and early 80s.
Sakata not there for some reason. Yokomichi and Immamura. At the time, but for Kawawada's ill-health, probably the best five would have been Yamamoto, Sakata, Kawawada, Imamura and Kagawa. Yahara = scarier but not as effective in tournaments.
@@sligo405 Agreed, except Imamura was just starting to be good around this time and was not yet sparring to his full potential which he would reach 4-5 years later.
@ndileonardo - I think you are right on the money. Westerners often make the mistake of 'dancing to the Japanese tune', especially with distance (ma-ai). The KUGB under Andy Sherry appears to have modified karate to suit their bodies and have produced formidable fighters over the years. Another guy to Google and look at is Richard Hesleton from JKA Japan. IMHO once he cottons onto fighting at longer range & using techniques the Japanese are not too familiar with then he will become champion.
I think I actually know that tall German who fought last (against Yahara) from my competition days. Dieter I think. The problem is that the film is clear enough to say for certain who was first or exactly what happened. However general impression is the Germans looked to have scored a couple of times and the judges were more interested in jogai (leaving the court) than the action that preceded it. To be fair I thought Kagawa scored and was denied, so it worked both ways.
@ndileonardo It's a real shame that the leaders of most Japanese organizations never took notice that the "gaijins" under their supervision will eventually grow up and mature to a point where they'd have to be considered equals.I'm talking about people that started training in the 1960s and 70s that were relegated to minor roles within those organizations, even after all their years of training were still considered not capable of being JKA representatives and head instructors of their countries
The video is blurry at best, not to mention the camera view is so far away. I can't stand when people criticize the judges when we can barely see in detail what is going on (unless you're watching a different video that I can't see). Judges aren't perfect but couch judges watching an unclear 480p video a over several hundred metres away from the action are the worst.
@deadguy29 I'd argue that the bias extended beyond that up through the 1990s. Personally, I believe this bias to be one of the unstated catalysts in the separation of the ISKF from the JKA. Just my personal opinion, but the bias goes well beyond the kumite ring. Clubs and countries were treated as second rate gayjin by the Japanese. Eventually, the rest of the world had had enough.
The japanese do not favor any foreigner(gaijin) to them a foreigner is always an outsider. that makes their patriotism. it is difficult to become a japanese citizen, much easier if you have Japanese blood.
@dbearTO ah, come on! the guy that swept Imamura should've been awarded an ippon...instead, the ref gave Imamura a waza-ari for throwing a half-assed punch while landing on his ass. Don't get me wrong, I admire many Japanese Instructors (including my own, of course), but there are many examples of judging favoring the Japanese in TH-cam...
Dude Germany was never a force in Karate. It just was limited to france, uk, italy, holland and somewhat spain. Now turkey and iran are also doing well.
Bad sportsmanship on behalf of the Japanese as well, encroaching beyond the line before the center judge gives the order to begin. If the Germans were wise they'd just charge the smaller Japanese. instead, the hang back, play defense. I never understood that. The Japanese teach Europeans and Americans to be hesitant, pensive and defensive; however they teach each other to go on the offensive. GET A CLUE!
Oh My God, the jumping wkf Useless Garbage started in the 80s. Sad so bloody sad
Love Kagawa fight’s style
At 7.57 , what technique scored against Yahara. Kick was short, Yaharas punch maybe scored, but I didn't see any other scoring technique. Whole refereeing was not the best.
I've seen worse in terms of judging and refereeing...although it's true there was a clear bias against non-japanese competitors in the 70s and early 80s.
Japanese team consist of (Yahara Mikio & Masao Kagawa & Yamamoto) wow ... It's dream team.
Sakata not there for some reason. Yokomichi and Immamura. At the time, but for Kawawada's ill-health, probably the best five would have been Yamamoto, Sakata, Kawawada, Imamura and Kagawa. Yahara = scarier but not as effective in tournaments.
¡Que dream team ni que nada! El equipo español de esa época, los pulverizó.
@@sligo405 Agreed, except Imamura was just starting to be good around this time and was not yet sparring to his full potential which he would reach 4-5 years later.
@ndileonardo - I think you are right on the money. Westerners often make the mistake of 'dancing to the Japanese tune', especially with distance (ma-ai). The KUGB under Andy Sherry appears to have modified karate to suit their bodies and have produced formidable fighters over the years. Another guy to Google and look at is Richard Hesleton from JKA Japan. IMHO once he cottons onto fighting at longer range & using techniques the Japanese are not too familiar with then he will become champion.
I think I actually know that tall German who fought last (against Yahara) from my competition days. Dieter I think. The problem is that the film is clear enough to say for certain who was first or exactly what happened. However general impression is the Germans looked to have scored a couple of times and the judges were more interested in jogai (leaving the court) than the action that preceded it. To be fair I thought Kagawa scored and was denied, so it worked both ways.
@ndileonardo It's a real shame that the leaders of most Japanese organizations never took notice that the "gaijins" under their supervision will eventually grow up and mature to a point where they'd have to be considered equals.I'm talking about people that started training in the 1960s and 70s that were relegated to minor roles within those organizations, even after all their years of training were still considered not capable of being JKA representatives and head instructors of their countries
Поединки норм! А вот судейство примерное... Несколько оценок неправильных отдали.
Японцы на характере выступали , но немцы им навтыкали , т.к. мощнее! (имхо)
Many person commenting here have no idea regarding scoring criteria in JKA ....
The video is blurry at best, not to mention the camera view is so far away. I can't stand when people criticize the judges when we can barely see in detail what is going on (unless you're watching a different video that I can't see). Judges aren't perfect but couch judges watching an unclear 480p video a over several hundred metres away from the action are the worst.
Shotokan Karate forever
@deadguy29 I'd argue that the bias extended beyond that up through the 1990s. Personally, I believe this bias to be one of the unstated catalysts in the separation of the ISKF from the JKA. Just my personal opinion, but the bias goes well beyond the kumite ring. Clubs and countries were treated as second rate gayjin by the Japanese. Eventually, the rest of the world had had enough.
The japanese do not favor any foreigner(gaijin) to them a foreigner is always an outsider. that makes their patriotism. it is difficult to become a japanese citizen, much easier if you have Japanese blood.
@dbearTO ah, come on! the guy that swept Imamura should've been awarded an ippon...instead, the ref gave Imamura a waza-ari for throwing a half-assed punch while landing on his ass. Don't get me wrong, I admire many Japanese Instructors (including my own, of course), but there are many examples of judging favoring the Japanese in TH-cam...
Dude Germany was never a force in Karate. It just was limited to france, uk, italy, holland and somewhat spain. Now turkey and iran are also doing well.
No mames ese. Equipo japones🇯🇵a. Matar, se lanzaban a todo
Bad sportsmanship on behalf of the Japanese as well, encroaching beyond the line before the center judge gives the order to begin. If the Germans were wise they'd just charge the smaller Japanese. instead, the hang back, play defense. I never understood that. The Japanese teach Europeans and Americans to be hesitant, pensive and defensive; however they teach each other to go on the offensive. GET A CLUE!