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I've never thought I'd actually become a Patreon member for a channel on TH-cam but you guys keep on giving great content that's actually relevant to the average consumer so thank you!!!
@Desktopia Just because a cpu is slower doesn't mean it's a bad result or it's a bottleneck. i5's are almost always slower than i7's, that doesn't make them bad cpu's or a bottleneck. There is no game here that is unplayable at 1080p with a 3600, the 3600 is just slower. Maybe someday a 3600 will be a bottleneck or be a "bad cpu". It's not in 2020.
@Desktopia Pay hundreds of dollars more for 10-20 fps so that you can play games at 150 fps instead of 140. The difference is almost imperceptible when the fps is that high and the 1% lows are that close to the average. Of course in the future, it may hinder the performance even further but for the ppl who already have the 3600, 3080 is just fine for 1440p and above.
@Desktopia The 3600 is literally 170$ where I live while the 3950x is 650$. That's almost 500$ for 15-20 fps which you are almost never gonna notice in game at over 120 fps
This is exactly the video I wanted, thanks 😊 most people will never have a cutting edge cpu, but the 3600 is very affordable and probably the sweet spot for a new system, comparisons based around this cpu are far more relevant I think, rather than dreaming about 300 FPS mega systems that reviewers drool over
@@Orcawhale1 You get much more fps increase by having a high end gpu than cpu. I have a 3600 and a gtx 1080. Either going for 3080 or 6900xt, which will DOUBLE my fps. There's no cpu in the world that can do that. With that said, the 5900x does look very tempting, for an additional 10-30% fps increase
You know when we say the 3600 is a budget CPU, we usually don't opt for a liquid cooler. These people are using liquid cooling for the 3600 while testing and that changes the fps numbers. Ryzen CPUs are temperature sensitive. Watch gamers nexus's video if you don't know.
CONCLUSION: If you're playing at 1440p or higher, Ryzen 3600 is plenty for an RTX 3080. And if you're playing at 1080p with the 3080 you need to rethink life
I like how its 2020 and people still haven't had the realization that some people would much rather play at 240/360hz 1080p compared to 1440p 144hz or similar
What are you talking about? What rethinking life at 1080p? Judging from the graphs you can't play Control, Gears 5, AC, Horizon at 120fps even at 1440p. Not everyone wants to settle for 60 fps.
Yeah seeing this another processor upgrade doesn't make sense for gaming right now. I think its reasonable to wait till we become cpu bound again at 4K. Better to spend money on a 4k monitor and a better graphics card.
@@captainfatbat9557 That's if you already are on Ryzen 3000. I have a Ryzen 5 1500X right and I'll definitely be upgrading to Zen 3. Of course even Ryzen 3000 would still be a decent upgrade, but if I'm only going for an upgrade every couple of years might as well upgrade to what's current at the time.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 Yeah I am already using 3600 with RTX 2060, so any upgrade for me doesn't make sense before upgrading my monitor (currently 1080p 144Hz), since I can run most games at 100+ fps on 1080p. In your case yeah it totally makes sense to upgrade to Zen3.
@@Sifer2 it all matters on your display. If its 1080p 60hz sure bottlenecking will be there as mostly games would be cpu bound.1440p 120hz and above not so much. Take 3080/3070 and enjoy with 3600/330x/3100. Check hardware Canucks video as you will notice how much bottlenecking is there. Hint less than 10%
@@S.Madman well in regards to 3950x vs I9 OC.....the 3950x can hit 4.5+ on 8 cores....and SMT off also yields "RESULTS"...the I9 OC is like 300tdp....the 3950x with 8c is like 75w...and all core 100-125w max. For me with intent of owning my system/motherboard etc for 5 years+ until i feel forced to build ddr5 am5 socket. The 3600 performance for pure gaming is why people like it bc the b450 to zen3 board eventual support as far as the ones that will are in 2021 anyways as far as the bios/flash. It furthers the zen2 selloff or etc...vs the AFFIRMATION of current owners....im talking FUTURE owners much like this video is implying viability...as well as amperes inherently better input latency vs 2080ti for example with zen2....not that it will ever be on par with zen3...but just a furthered aspect of 3080s viability with a 3600 pre zen3 upgrade. Plus they can also stream with that Cpu if the game they are playing only uses 2 cores for example like a casual game/moba/arpg etc.....But yeah playing games while installing 4tb ques of game libraries from steam/Xbox into my ssd and nvme simultaneously while getting as hot as a 4.4 3600 and only using 105tdp...is pretty XD...while also streaming netflix or etc..on a secondary panel. It does it and asks for more. The future proof too is nice. I can always sell my chip for like 500 to buy the zen3 option. For the out of pocket cost of a 5600x...since the 5950x will be 800$. Its how i am able to upgrade...by selling. Imagine trying to sell a 1700x system or 2700/2700x system in this day and age. The now 5600x price point. Look at howmany 3600s are being sold used....one of the reasons they had to stop making the other zen2 chips 4c4t 4c8t etc. It also showcased how bad SMT was in various gaming scenarios i guess thats why amd wanted to silence that basic concept.
Having a Ryzen 5 3600 myself, this video was perfect for me! Thank you so very much! I hope you will do something similar for Big Navi and keep up the great work!
getting the 3600x next month!old gigabyte b450 mobo and 3600mhz ram, with RX5500xt 4gb thats getting replaced this xmas with the little version of RX series thats coming soon!
Me2, I'm actually waiting for next gen cpus and gpus to get 3600/3700/5600 and 3060/3070/amd, the worst thing: I'm waiting for 2 months and have enough of it.
@@Kocan7 I have a 2060 paired with a ryzen 3600, I currently game at 1080p 144hz. I am looking to upgrade to either 27 inch 1440p, 34 inch ultrawide, or get a 4k 120hz TV. 1440p would be around £300-400. Ultrawide would be around £400-600. And a 4k 120hz TV would be around £1000+. Ultrawide might be the best solution for now pair it with a 3060/70
At over 100 fps it might be unnoticable, but when hovering around 30 fps, those 3-6 more can make quite a difference. It all depends on the percentage. Look at the results of the 10900K: It gives you 17% more performance on average in 1080p. But considering the 3600 already is close to 200 fps, that doesn't mean anything. 17% more can also be the difference between 52 fps, or stable 60+
I never overclock. Last time I did it was back in the early 2000's. Ps also on a 3600 on a x570 board with 3466 mhz ram (stock, not oc'd) I love my pc.
I might build my next rig with the 3600, spend the difference on the gfx card. Then when the 5800 comes down in price after a year or two... I'll buy one then. Have AMD got an end-of-life date for the AM4 socket? I think the Ryzen Rx 5xxx line up is the last ...right?
i remember the 2700x being about 7% slower than a 3600 in normal gaming, but matching in games which favour higher core counts. Personally I wont be getting the 5xxx until its near the eol as ive been very happy with the 2700x.
@@k1lluachan not too bad, but the 3600 offers higher gaming performance by a bit, while basically offering the same multicore performance at lower power consumption. And its the same price (both 180€ here)
@@shavenkat I'm on a 2700x also and yeah I think next black friday I'll look at at a 5900x maybe if my x470 Gaming Plus can manage it after I've upgraded my 1070ti.
@@SuperIce6374 The areas she "wasn't complaining about" in terms of where slowdowns were on her old system, turned out to be areas where clock speed and more cores would actually help. I also used a a discrete GPU for better flexibility in case she actually wanted to start doing Zoom or Skype with people. There's enough of a benefit if you're using virtual backgrounds that offloading it to even an RX550 is noticeable, but I could bump that if needed. Her prior system was an i3-2120T using the IGP, so I wanted enough of a performance boost that she'd be able to tell. I also managed to snag her R5 3600 for around $160, so it was the best choice when I picked up the parts.
@@jonathanlarsen4177 Possibly, but it was slightly more expensive or the same price at the time, and I specifically wanted 3rd Gen for her. Honestly had the R3 3100 been obtainable at the time I'd have gone with that. Since Zoom doesn't (currently) support GPU encoding of locally saved meeting video, the IPC improvements of 3rd Gen help, and anything that reduces wait time is good. "She's been on the fence about using it for a family project.*
its the true budget/king. Until a year from now when the 8c cezanne apu launches...then it will be a one stop FHD option for 144hz budget bois...getting their first 144hz FHD panel...that build will be like 300$ the worst part will be SFF/PSU/chassis. But if that trend explodes we can have
@@anhiirr yea well i embrace every new tech thats humanly priced. What i dislike and wont support is customer milking, thats why im not an apple/intel/nvidia buyer
Am I missing something. if the 3600 performance so closely to other more expensive chips then why would you suggest a cheaper graphics card? Would it not be more cost effective to get a 3600 with the 3080?
Because the 3080 doesn't scale as well at lower resolutions, so if you have a 1080p monitor it's not worth getting the 3080. And most people buy where the value is, so midrange cards (and upper midrange, since 500$ is not really midrange or at least didn't use to be).
@@FSGoingStraight Well you could still take advantage of things like DSR, RT, or use programs like ReShade to achieve a more defined look that would tax your gpu a lot more.
Would much rather have a i5 10500. Would utilize the GPU better. To fully utilize a 3080 a i7 10700 makes more sense, or even a 9700k. Running a 3600 it's a waste of money with that GPU. pair it with a 1660s, be able to fully utilize it. And if you want to talk pound-for-pound the 9700k is loma, the 10700 is Pacquiao.
@@johnnyice769 Loma's a lightweight so he should be around the lower i5 and the higher i3 range. And Pacquiao's most famous fights happened in welterweight so he's clearly an i5 or a ryzen 5. i7's should be like a light heavy or a cruiserweight or old school heavyweight(smaller doods) while an i9 should be a modern heavyweight. I can see that you don't know shit about boxing. EDIT: Also the most optimal cpu for a 3080 would become the upcoming r7 5800x as it's a far more efficient and probably powerful cpu than both the 10700k and the 10900k.
I've been pretty happy with the 3600 in my rig so far, this video certainly does not change that. When I build my machine in June* I went with the 3600 as a sort of stop gap with the expectation of going for the next top end once AMD put it on the market in Q4, but it looks more and more like I may just stick with the 3600 as I always play in 4K. *My old started acting up, else I would have just waited with a new build altogether.
@@BIWTimmy in my country there is only zotac versions of 3070 and 3080, there was yesterday asus 3070 but 50% more price than zotac which is damn crazy 😁
I remember watching Jay's video and his twitter and him hammering that matching 3080 with a cheaper CPU is stupid and nobody should do it. I'm beginning to realize he enjoys talking out of his ass a lot.
Of course jay is right! No sane person should pair a flagship gpu with a midrange cpu cuz only morons mix expensive parts with cheap components. The i7 10700K/i9 10900K or the upcoming R7 5800X/R9 3900X is best match for 3080
Yep. I love watching Jay's videos but sometimes he says things that either don't make sense or alienates 90% of his viewing audience. I knew the 3600 would be fine with any GPU coming out this year and I rolled my eyes when I heard him say that... like we all have $500 plus to throw at just a CPU and if you don't then you don't deserve a 3080 or better.
@@vikrambhaskar7976 Seriously dude, did you actually watch this video at all? In terms of gaming, please explain to me why you must pair a high end GPU with a high end CPU. Bearing in mind the findings of this video...you know, that there's almost no real world difference in performance between the 3600 and a high end CPU in most cases. Seems to me that a 'moron' as you put it is more likely to be someone who spends far more than they need to on a high end CPU when they could get pretty much the same gaming performance for a fraction of the price. To the conversation at large, yeah Jay is an idiot. He has very little idea of what he's talking about most of the time. Purely entertainment. If I want actual data and researched facts I come here or go to Gamers Nexus like any sensible person should.
Two years later and I was able to get a used 3080 for $550. Its good to see that i can keep my 3600x for a little longer and focus first on a nice 1440p monitor 🙏
Very helpful. I bought a ryzen 5 3600 and Aorus mb a month ago. Put my ancient Stryx GTX 960 in as a place holder until the skies part and GPUs once again flow over the lands. Now I know I can go with whatever graphics card I please without worry of hamstringing my box.
liked just after seeing this coment, .i agree 100% im planning on an rtx 3060(yes thats a thing, cheaoer than 3070)so when it comes in jan, it wont bottleneck
@@kennethd4958 Same here. A new AMD revolution is coming. The official benchmarks putting Big Navi close to RTX 3080 gave me goosebumps! I expected nothing short of that, always believed in AMD. Let's hope real world benchmarks don't differ too much.
@@williamb.j.blazkowicz3814 If Big Navi can deliver 3080 like performance, for a £550-600 price point it would cause a real upset, and if the 6800 can give 3070esque performance for about £400 then AMD will be laughing. I'm not a huge AMD fanboy although my current setup is a r5 1600 and an rx 570, I go with whoever can get me the most performance for my money, and even if you prefer Nvidea or Intel, You should be hoping AMD do well as more competition leads to lower prices. Nvidea are obviously scared of Big Navi given how much cheaper the 3080 is than the 2080ti. The real winner in all of this is the consumers
At 4k no issues at all cause the 3080 barely hits 60fps at 4k (Ultra) in AAA games, in fact, doesnt even hit 60 in some of them so the 3600 is perfectly fine
as long as you have a b550 or an x570 board that is. majority of people who made 3600 builds use b450 so they're going to have to upgrade their mb as well to take full advantage of zen 3.
What an incredible cpu it is. Will likely go down as legendary one in history. Ryzen 2600 and 1070 was a great partnership, and it looks like the 3600 and 3070 will be match made in heaven also.
Me too, but for some reason I can't get my 3600 to run stable beyond 4175 MHz all core OC even with 1.3 V core voltage. I wonder what voltage did Steve run in this benchmark. I'm just sticking with PBO which gets me 4275 MHz at most in single or lightly threaded loads, and happy with my 3800 MHz memory and 1900 MHz FCLK
@@deuterium2132 I'd be happy with 4175 mhz all core. My processor barely hits 4.2 on any core and scores lower on average than latest silicon. I bought first week it came out and as the process matured it got like 10% better OC potential. Best I can do is 4150/4175 and that's at like 1.37 volts.
I recently had an intel system die on me unexpectedly and replaced it with a R5 3600 and a b550 motherboard. As I wasn't budgeting to replace fried equipment I am stuck with my old DDR4-2666 RAM until at least next payday. I'm very happy with the CPU though even if I was hoping not to have to upgrade just before a new generation comes out.
Just dropped a EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra in my machine - B450 Tomahawk Max, Ryzen 5 3600, and did the first mandatory upgrade - ordered an Alienware 25 360Mhz monitor. Watching this, I'm wondering if I can upgrade to Ryzen 9 5900x (read that it is compatible but still haven't had it confirmed) with the B450 or is it even worth it?
I'm actually looking at building a 4K machine for the first time after the dust has settled from the upcoming AMD cards and/or the 3080s become more widely available, since it looks like you can actually get 60+ fps at 4K now without spending $3000+.
@Adithya R As a new 144hz user, I say that 60fps is nowhere near unplayable. 30/60 fps difference is massive, 60/144hz is also big, but saying that 60fps is unplayable is straight up not true.
@@castlebear199 I can buy as many 3500 locally (Russia) as I want, but if what you say is true it explains the mystery, because what I said IS true, 3500 is as good as 3600 for almost all games.
great video! all im interested is 1080p gaming, and i want to avoid bottleneck. im looking foward for the tests on a 3070 because i think this will be the card for me.
9:06 what the hell are you talking about? 62% of steam users use 1080p. At 144Hz any dips below 100 fps are irritating so I want to consistently stay above that in all scenarios.
Thanks for this video! I've been debating what cpu to go with a 3080 and 3440 x 1440 ultrawide and wasn't sure to risk waiting for the new amd cpus or not but it looks like a 3600 will be perfectly fine for now. Your content has been a big help over the last few months, great work guys!
I'd love to see this repeated with a 3070 and what ever $500 gpu AMD releases. This test shows that spending more of your budget on GPU and getting a mid/low grade CPU is going to get you more vs. Getting a "matching" level CPU/GPU.
And some BoomerTubers like Jayz will still say "too weak a CPU for such a strong GPU" and people get influenced by that. Basically 3600 is almost future proof and a good "value for price" CPU. Whether it's a 2070 Super/5700xt to a 3080 (or even better?), 3600 is all you need. Unless you just "wanna spend for moar Coars" (well, I agree they have a purpose) and go with a 3700x or 10700k.
I always said, 30% of your budget for the GPU, about 40-50 €/$/£ for the PSU. The rest can be spend how you like, but take enough RAM for anything current and in the next 2-3 years
imagine wasting money on anything other than a 3600 with a good gpu or higher like zen2 r9, or zen3 in general.....like imagine getting a 500-1000$ "budget build" When in 1 year cezanne will reshape the entire "budget build" landscape with their RDNA2 igpu...and lack of need for a PSU/GPU aspect for FHD gaming. As well as some of the SFF builds/game potential. While still having possibly the 5800x level performance cpu wise....its going to be the same schills/fooled customers of the 240hz odyssey g7, or the 240-360hz FHD crowd that spends 400+ sometimes even 500+ for a FHD panel in the case of 360hz. Cezanne will be peferfect for esports games or games played
A good question to answer would be (probably can already be answered by your existing cumulative data at this point) is: - What do I get if I invest a total of 1000 USD on CPU + GPU with approx. 500 spent on CPU and 500 spent on GPU vs. 250 spent on CPU and 750 spent on GPU. Is it 100% certain that 750 GPU with 250 CPU would ALWAYS win? Or, is it in fact a case-by-case situation. Now, of course, I am not talking about 500 or 750 USD GPUs from the current line-up but like if we take 2080ti (since 3070 will be at this level) as the 500 USD GPU and 3080 as the 750 USD GPU. Then obviously, 500 USD CPU could either be a 10900k/10850k or 5800X, and 250 USD CPU could either be 3600x/xt or i5 10600K. I beg you two answer this question.
Upgrading from a 3600 to a 3800 is actually the biggest upgrade I have ever done. I usually run a chat app and TH-cam along with my games and the switch to 8 core eliminated 90% of the stutter that would happen in gameplay. Makes all the difference in the world for me.
Instant like for any Harbour Boxed video! Love the detail that you all go into in all your content, Great one as always m8s! You keep making them and I will keep watching them!!!! Also I am planning on upgrading my Zen+ CPU to a Zen2 or soon, although with a Zen3 I will need a new motherboard so not sure about that one...
after release of zen 3 , margins have widened at 1440p since they are faster than 10900k by at least 15%, now you are loosing at least 25% performance with 3600 instead of 5600x..
True. But that only matters if u are going to build pc from zero. But for those like me that have Ryzen 5 3600 and want to upgrade the GPU with better one like this one in the video (RTX 3080) to play on 1440p 144Hz monitor or above, then this combination is fine as shown in the graphs of the video. Yes, ufc u will lose vs the new CPU/GPU that just came. That is normal. The question is ..is the performance smooth and good still or not and u have to upgrade and the CPU as well. Yeah i will have ~30 fps less on avg vs 5600x on 1440p , but is that such a big problem? No. It is not cuz with my 3600 i still will have way above 60 fps for smooth gameplay with high settings (the so called minimum). If u dont see the numbers u wont tell what cpu is in the pc....cuz the dif. is not like 3600 has 30fps and 5600x has 100fps. So i have my 3600 for ~2 years now and i will just gonna get 3080 when i can get a hands on for my 1440p monitor.
@@frosty98412 4k It would probably be fine, there would be a bottleneck still as its only 3.2ghz and the IPC isn't great especially compared to the 3600, no idea for 1440p. And it would depend on the game, mine doesn't like The Witcher 3 when im in Novograd even if my GPU has power to spare the 1600 will be at 40% load and wont go up anymore.
@@Daeyae I've sold the 3600 at grabbed a 1400. The 1400 is dog crap at stock but really wakes up with manually tuned Samsung bdie. It manages 3400 at 14 14 14 28 and tight subtimings, thus it becames stupid fast! Actually it's fast, even with really slow max overclocking, only 3.6, because it struggles to maintain 3.7! even with crazy vcore... So, 1600 might be slow, but if it's paired with fast Ram and decent oc, over 3.9, I'm not so sure it's way slower than a 3600 with some random shit Ram.
@WhyAlways I have a Noctua NHD15 on it with 2x200mm coolers for intake and a 140mm exhaust. The temps are not the problem yet I still can't get beyond 4.125ghz
@@Hardwareunboxed Can't push mine beyond 4.125GHz, even with NHD15 and Asus X570 Prime P (your recommendation, not regretting it), am I doing something wrong?
When for 3080 is good, is also good for 3070, is normally. This ask were correctly only for a bigger card like 3090 or 6900 und i say, yes, also my 6900 works good with ryzen 5 3600🛀
This is the EXACT video I have been waiting for! You guys are amazing. I will be def keeping my 3600's for awhile. Now to find one of those new graphics cards. lol. Please Please Please include more 3600 content moving forward especially with all these new GPUs coming out. We can barely afford the new GPUs, so knowing we don't have to upgrade the CPU right away to play at 4K puts me at ease. (Insert Tiger Woods fist pump, lol) Keep up the great content fellas!
I bought a Ryzen 5 3600X a few months ago from micro center and I saw its 2 day sale price of $189.99 and had to do it since the 3600 was $159.99. Now they raised the prices again but I am very proud of my purchase as I do not overclock
Apps and games dont only use one core, but are very centred around one core, it's due to the way they are programmed, with using multiple cores well is really hard to do optimally, it's not intel influencing apps its apps influencing intel
Even if games are made for more cores they still mostly utilize one core for the "world" thread which is why intel reigns bupreme. But hey at least the AMD guys can wait for the next thing around the corner like they always seem to be doing..
@feeback,where are MOBA and RTS title, i know you guys do comprehensive review and benchmark but always leave them out . These games resource usage is different than your set of games and will provide a different prespective. Thanks in advance. Cheers for giving us an awesome video.
Heya! 3600 user here! Recently built my own PC, it has a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 together with a GTX 1660 Super. While I'm quite happy with my performance so far, what GPU should I look at if I want to upgrade in the future?
Intel F chips need more love, man btw did you test AsRock BFB feature (that boost Intel chip stock clock speed even without K and Z board) ?? Just curious, might be interesting content
Thank you for the great video. I have a 3600X and I was wondering whether it would make sense to upgrade when getting a 3080 (I mean , provided they are in stock at some point). I have a 1440p monitor @144hz and I have ordered 4K 144hz one. I will keep my processor and upgrade when AMD releases 5nm processors.
PC Gamers have always combined/upgraded their computers with newer GPUs... how can this be a bad idea? The video title and tests performed are simply a rhetorical effort... but not waste of time because people will watch it anyway.
@@campkira People ask me all the time what kind of GPU you to buy for their 5-10 year old PC and once they do... suddenly they can play most new games on High settings... it's always a good idea to upgrade to a new GPU (unless you bought one last year). 😁
You final conclusion is exactly what I did. My budget was $1500, and I needed 32GB of RAM for my work (rendering). So I went with the 3600 (which I got for $180), RTX 3070 (paid over MSRP @ $700), B550 wifi for $120, 32GB 3600mhz G.skill cl 18 @ $110, 650W modular Gold Corsair PSU @ $90, Phantex p300A @ $50, a 6-pack of fans for $35, 1TB NVME for $110, 4TB HDD for $105. My data shows I'm barely reaching 40% usage of my CPU, while I'm always using over 80% of my GPU, and over 70% of my RAM. But unfortunately, I can't afford a better GPU for at least a year or two now (with the way things are going... Maybe if the Bitcoin drops). I'm still happy with it. I don't mind waiting 20 second for a render instead of 8 second. When I make a video render... That's where it hurts (2 hours instead of 45 minutes if I had the 3080).
Your comment is what i was looking for, i am really interested in buying Ryzen 3600. 2022 is almost end and price of 3600 in India is so cheap now, i can afford it. And your description gave me the idea that 3600 can run everything for atleast 4 5 years
Just got my Asus Tuf OC last week and it’s paired with a 3600. Under normal circumstances, I would never spend $700+ on a gpu but this time around it actually seemed to make sense. My FPS is within the margin of error when compared to yours on most games. So happy with my purchases this generation. This channel has been instrumental in transforming my conspicuous consumption into something a bit less conspicuous. You helped me pick out my 1440p 144hz monitor as well. Paired with my 3080, I’m basically in gamer heaven for the first time since I tore open a package containing an SNES as a little kid. Keep up the great work!
Whot do you guys think??? I have a 6700K clocked at 4.7ghz and thinking about getting a big navi or a RTX3080 BTW I game on a ultrawide 43inch 3840x1200. I will build a new PC in about a years time, atm I'm just looking to replace my GTX1080.
Hello HW unboxed, small idea.. can you do a video cpu comparison (maybe also with the new Zen 3) at fixed frequency for all the cpus? to test efficiency, IPC, etc at exactly same frequency for all, of course need to be lowered on Intel, considering the older Ryzen can't go over 4Ghz so easily (maybe 4ghz for all is a good benchmark). It's an interesting comparison to see how they perform at same speed, same for ddr4 memory. Usually Intel cpus frequencies are quite higher at stock than overclocked Ryzen, interesting to see how they perform at same settings to valuate better performance per core, price. Thank you, you're the best hardware channel on YT, good tech content but easy to watch.
Hardware Unboxed has influenced EVERY one of my purchases since Skylake, when you took over the "main" role Steve you've constantly produced quality content with the most informative and "least bloated" content across TH-cam. I appreciate your efforts so much and am so glad for your channel. I've learned a great deal from your videos beyond just "the latest and greatest" and appreciate your no nonsense approach to tech videos. Kuddos to you and i hope for many more years of quality information and informative content!
Do you have a ryzen now?
Agreed this channel is awesome, they get right to the point.
@adam cox, thanks mate I really appreciate that 👍
@@Hardwareunboxed Hey I have a 3090 and I'm getting lower benchmark results, while also having a Ryzen 3600x?
@@slyceth Tightened your memory timings? Temps ok?
so the 3600 does a great job such a champ cpu
I kinda figured at 4k it wouldn't really matter what cpu you had, but it held up well at 1440 and 1080 against processors much more expensive than it.
3600 is such a great value man. Not a single day has gone by where it has failed me. Loving ot
It is great but I don't think most 3600 chips can overclock to 4.4 GHz. My 3600x cannot get (stable) over 4.2GHz all core :(
@@Captain_Hindsight lol you are lucky mine cant even get 4.1 ghz
@@BonusCrook believe me, at 4K ultra, even with i5 3470 / phenom II, there is no difference at all
I've never thought I'd actually become a Patreon member for a channel on TH-cam but you guys keep on giving great content that's actually relevant to the average consumer so thank you!!!
These guys are great - my first Patreon also - added GamersNexus quickly afterwards - top notch content from both channels imho!
Nice of you
@@shredderorokusaki3013 ok...
I’d also recommend watching Optimum Tech.
@@panteleymonschekochikhin-k1978 lol yeah it was very random
#Q: Is the Ryzen 5 3600 good enough for a rtx 3080?
A: Yes.
@Desktopia I think you meant at 4k yes, 1440p maybe and 1080p no. Even my 1600af is good enough for 4k.
Edit: but yeah long story short it's worth it.
@Desktopia Just because a cpu is slower doesn't mean it's a bad result or it's a bottleneck. i5's are almost always slower than i7's, that doesn't make them bad cpu's or a bottleneck. There is no game here that is unplayable at 1080p with a 3600, the 3600 is just slower. Maybe someday a 3600 will be a bottleneck or be a "bad cpu". It's not in 2020.
@Desktopia Pay hundreds of dollars more for 10-20 fps so that you can play games at 150 fps instead of 140. The difference is almost imperceptible when the fps is that high and the 1% lows are that close to the average. Of course in the future, it may hinder the performance even further but for the ppl who already have the 3600, 3080 is just fine for 1440p and above.
@Desktopia The 3600 is literally 170$ where I live while the 3950x is 650$. That's almost 500$ for 15-20 fps which you are almost never gonna notice in game at over 120 fps
@Desktopia it does just fine at 1440p, and most people are definitely not buying a 700 dollar card to play at 1080p.
I'm so proud of my little Ryzen 5
Me too!!!
This is exactly the video I wanted, thanks 😊 most people will never have a cutting edge cpu, but the 3600 is very affordable and probably the sweet spot for a new system, comparisons based around this cpu are far more relevant I think, rather than dreaming about 300 FPS mega systems that reviewers drool over
Not if you are extremely lucky like me tho.
Sweetspot makes little to no sense, when your pairing it with a 700 dollar gpu..
@@progenji6407 ok then tell us about your setup then, lucky person
@@Orcawhale1 You get much more fps increase by having a high end gpu than cpu.
I have a 3600 and a gtx 1080. Either going for 3080 or 6900xt, which will DOUBLE my fps. There's no cpu in the world that can do that.
With that said, the 5900x does look very tempting, for an additional 10-30% fps increase
You know when we say the 3600 is a budget CPU, we usually don't opt for a liquid cooler. These people are using liquid cooling for the 3600 while testing and that changes the fps numbers. Ryzen CPUs are temperature sensitive. Watch gamers nexus's video if you don't know.
CONCLUSION:
If you're playing at 1440p or higher, Ryzen 3600 is plenty for an RTX 3080.
And if you're playing at 1080p with the 3080 you need to rethink life
truer words have never been spoken
I like how its 2020 and people still haven't had the realization that some people would much rather play at 240/360hz 1080p compared to 1440p 144hz or similar
@@keelo-byte Or just maybe use DSR on any monitor.
streamers be like: *_allow us to introduce ourselves_* (gaming @ 1080p high fps)
What are you talking about? What rethinking life at 1080p?
Judging from the graphs you can't play Control, Gears 5, AC, Horizon at 120fps even at 1440p.
Not everyone wants to settle for 60 fps.
So basically, if you're currently on 1080p with a 3600 and are considering a 3080, your best investment is a new monitor.
Yeah seeing this another processor upgrade doesn't make sense for gaming right now. I think its reasonable to wait till we become cpu bound again at 4K. Better to spend money on a 4k monitor and a better graphics card.
@@captainfatbat9557 That's if you already are on Ryzen 3000. I have a Ryzen 5 1500X right and I'll definitely be upgrading to Zen 3. Of course even Ryzen 3000 would still be a decent upgrade, but if I'm only going for an upgrade every couple of years might as well upgrade to what's current at the time.
Or a 3070 and swapping the 3600 for a 5600x
@@hannessteffenhagen61 i went from a 1500x to a 3600. Was a good upgrade but a lot hotter.
If you're at 1440p or above I would wait
@@hannessteffenhagen61 Yeah I am already using 3600 with RTX 2060, so any upgrade for me doesn't make sense before upgrading my monitor (currently 1080p 144Hz), since I can run most games at 100+ fps on 1080p.
In your case yeah it totally makes sense to upgrade to Zen3.
AMD 3600 owner: You spent how much to get 30 more fps?
I see your 3600 and bring my 3100. lets see how my budget champ holds IF I get 3080 in 2021.1440p and 4k CPU isn't the concern.
@@Sifer2 it all matters on your display. If its 1080p 60hz sure bottlenecking will be there as mostly games would be cpu bound.1440p 120hz and above not so much. Take 3080/3070 and enjoy with 3600/330x/3100. Check hardware Canucks video as you will notice how much bottlenecking is there.
Hint less than 10%
R9/I9 owner to 3600 owner: What's that, you can't edit videos, and live stream at the same time you are gaming?
@@S.Madman well in regards to 3950x vs I9 OC.....the 3950x can hit 4.5+ on 8 cores....and SMT off also yields "RESULTS"...the I9 OC is like 300tdp....the 3950x with 8c is like 75w...and all core 100-125w max. For me with intent of owning my system/motherboard etc for 5 years+ until i feel forced to build ddr5 am5 socket. The 3600 performance for pure gaming is why people like it bc the b450 to zen3 board eventual support as far as the ones that will are in 2021 anyways as far as the bios/flash. It furthers the zen2 selloff or etc...vs the AFFIRMATION of current owners....im talking FUTURE owners much like this video is implying viability...as well as amperes inherently better input latency vs 2080ti for example with zen2....not that it will ever be on par with zen3...but just a furthered aspect of 3080s viability with a 3600 pre zen3 upgrade. Plus they can also stream with that Cpu if the game they are playing only uses 2 cores for example like a casual game/moba/arpg etc.....But yeah playing games while installing 4tb ques of game libraries from steam/Xbox into my ssd and nvme simultaneously while getting as hot as a 4.4 3600 and only using 105tdp...is pretty XD...while also streaming netflix or etc..on a secondary panel. It does it and asks for more. The future proof too is nice. I can always sell my chip for like 500 to buy the zen3 option. For the out of pocket cost of a 5600x...since the 5950x will be 800$. Its how i am able to upgrade...by selling. Imagine trying to sell a 1700x system or 2700/2700x system in this day and age. The now 5600x price point. Look at howmany 3600s are being sold used....one of the reasons they had to stop making the other zen2 chips 4c4t 4c8t etc. It also showcased how bad SMT was in various gaming scenarios i guess thats why amd wanted to silence that basic concept.
@@S.Madman I don't edit videos. But with 6 cores/12 threads I'm pretty sure we can :)
Having a Ryzen 5 3600 myself, this video was perfect for me! Thank you so very much! I hope you will do something similar for Big Navi and keep up the great work!
Including the memory tune is really helpful to see how the Ryzen 3000 series scales. Thanks for the great content
Doesn't scale well at all tbh. 6% average with a roughly 5% core clock bump and tweaked timings... might as well just leave it stock + xmp.
@Shredder Orokusaki Why the hell are you spamming this bullshit?
It's more scaling at such a low price than you can hope for from a locked Intel chip
@@isuruabc100 memory isn't locked on intel chips. The chipset is tho if you don't go z490 or whatever.
@@MrDutch1e yeah sorry, should have clarified that this is what I meant
Holy moly the 3600 surprises me time and time again. This really makes other CPUs look bad😂
getting the 3600x next month!old gigabyte b450 mobo and 3600mhz ram, with RX5500xt 4gb thats getting replaced this xmas with the little version of RX series thats coming soon!
So Ryzen 3600 is better?
@Adithya R there is a 5600 from AMD?
3600 will last for many years , as games will become more GPU bound in next years bottleneck will drop at lower resolutions . 4k tests prove that .
Bruh ur logo makes an odd motion on my phone when scrolling😂
i'd love to see a Ryzen 3600 paired with the 3070!
Me2, I'm actually waiting for next gen cpus and gpus to get 3600/3700/5600 and 3060/3070/amd, the worst thing: I'm waiting for 2 months and have enough of it.
@@Kocan7 I have a 2060 paired with a ryzen 3600, I currently game at 1080p 144hz.
I am looking to upgrade to either 27 inch 1440p, 34 inch ultrawide, or get a 4k 120hz TV.
1440p would be around £300-400.
Ultrawide would be around £400-600.
And a 4k 120hz TV would be around £1000+.
Ultrawide might be the best solution for now pair it with a 3060/70
that is probably going to be the best performance/value combo right now... BUT Big Navi might trump 3070 depending on the price/performance ratio.
@@Mayhemz.95 Get the 1440p.
@@nimkal it's a tough decision,
I love how overclocking the CPU and the RAM brings you between 3 and 6 more fps....I'm leaving my 3600 at stock
At over 100 fps it might be unnoticable, but when hovering around 30 fps, those 3-6 more can make quite a difference. It all depends on the percentage. Look at the results of the 10900K: It gives you 17% more performance on average in 1080p. But considering the 3600 already is close to 200 fps, that doesn't mean anything. 17% more can also be the difference between 52 fps, or stable 60+
@@HappyBeezerStudios if u getting 30fps on a 3600 build, you doing something wrong
its just fun to overclock things imo
@@whitegoodman7465 I get 30 fps on 3600 build on microsoft flight simulator
I never overclock. Last time I did it was back in the early 2000's.
Ps also on a 3600 on a x570 board with 3466 mhz ram (stock, not oc'd)
I love my pc.
Brilliant video man. Loved how you took time to explain each chart in reasonable detail. And also the average fps comparison summed it all well.
Ryzen 5 3600 (200$) about RTX 3080 (700$):
"Finally worthy opponent"
Nope
It's still unobtainable and price is pretty high (even though it's justified by performance).
cant wait for the 5600x
I might build my next rig with the 3600, spend the difference on the gfx card. Then when the 5800 comes down in price after a year or two... I'll buy one then.
Have AMD got an end-of-life date for the AM4 socket? I think the Ryzen Rx 5xxx line up is the last ...right?
@@jemborg yes its last am4 lineup
@@jemborg that's what I heard too
Not so related, but hoping that you'll include a 2700x in some gaming benchmarks at 1440p/4k when Ryzen 5xxx goes live.
Preach
i bought a 2700x yesterday for 160eu to upgrade mi linux pc
a friking 8 core with ht
i remember the 2700x being about 7% slower than a 3600 in normal gaming, but matching in games which favour higher core counts. Personally I wont be getting the 5xxx until its near the eol as ive been very happy with the 2700x.
@@k1lluachan not too bad, but the 3600 offers higher gaming performance by a bit, while basically offering the same multicore performance at lower power consumption. And its the same price (both 180€ here)
@@shavenkat I'm on a 2700x also and yeah I think next black friday I'll look at at a 5900x maybe if my x470 Gaming Plus can manage it after I've upgraded my 1070ti.
"Welcome back to Harvard Unboxed"
"Aardvark Unclocked"
Now I will always hear that 😅
@@jellemees It's time for new T-shirts. Not sure how you would do a Harvard Unboxed.
Even the english auto generated cc said that
@@TheSiprianus lol
Feeling better about putting a 3600 in my mom's PC. She doesn't game, but should she decide to, she's ready. 😆
Why not go with an APU at that point?
@@SuperIce6374 The areas she "wasn't complaining about" in terms of where slowdowns were on her old system, turned out to be areas where clock speed and more cores would actually help. I also used a a discrete GPU for better flexibility in case she actually wanted to start doing Zoom or Skype with people. There's enough of a benefit if you're using virtual backgrounds that offloading it to even an RX550 is noticeable, but I could bump that if needed.
Her prior system was an i3-2120T using the IGP, so I wanted enough of a performance boost that she'd be able to tell.
I also managed to snag her R5 3600 for around $160, so it was the best choice when I picked up the parts.
@@PsychoStreak lmao you coulda got her a ryzen 3
@@keedah Oddly, those were scarce at the time of purchase. There was plenty of 2nd Gen stuff, but I didn't want any of that.
@@jonathanlarsen4177 Possibly, but it was slightly more expensive or the same price at the time, and I specifically wanted 3rd Gen for her. Honestly had the R3 3100 been obtainable at the time I'd have gone with that.
Since Zoom doesn't (currently) support GPU encoding of locally saved meeting video, the IPC improvements of 3rd Gen help, and anything that reduces wait time is good. "She's been on the fence about using it for a family project.*
This video shows again why r5 3600 deserves the award...
Best CPU ever. It's better than an i7 for a MUUCH cheaper price. Won't be upgrading for at least 4 years no cap
@@enriktigasna bet
Dudes 3600 is fine piece of tech for The price asked
its the true budget/king. Until a year from now when the 8c cezanne apu launches...then it will be a one stop FHD option for 144hz budget bois...getting their first 144hz FHD panel...that build will be like 300$ the worst part will be SFF/PSU/chassis. But if that trend explodes we can have
@@anhiirr yea well i embrace every new tech thats humanly priced. What i dislike and wont support is customer milking, thats why im not an apple/intel/nvidia buyer
These are the benchmarks I've been waiting for!
(Jedi hand waiving) "Yes, these are the benchmarks you've been waiting for" - Obi-wan Kenobi
Am I missing something. if the 3600 performance so closely to other more expensive chips then why would you suggest a cheaper graphics card? Would it not be more cost effective to get a 3600 with the 3080?
Because the 3080 doesn't scale as well at lower resolutions, so if you have a 1080p monitor it's not worth getting the 3080. And most people buy where the value is, so midrange cards (and upper midrange, since 500$ is not really midrange or at least didn't use to be).
@@baalrog666 this. If you play on 1080p it doesnt make a difference if you have 360 oder 290fps. So with the 3080 youre basically throwing Power away
In my case the 3080 would be perfect as I have a 4k display.
@@FSGoingStraight
Well you could still take advantage of things like DSR, RT, or use programs like ReShade to achieve a more defined look that would tax your gpu a lot more.
@@FSGoingStraight but what if i want 300FPS smh how else am i going to play minesweeper
I love how auto captions says: "Welcome to Harvard unboxed."
I'm using a 3600 with a 6800XT at 3440x1440 144hz. It's a champ of a CPU and I've never felt the need for more CPU power.
I'm using with 6900XTU and WQHD
As a Ryzen 3600 owner, I really appreciate this vid, thanks Steve!
Any chance you can do this with Big Navi once you get one???
It is amazing how many customers land on this processor. It has delivered EVERY time too, great cpu.
3600 still pound for pound best CPU
The Pacquiao of CPU's.
I think its the 9700k.
@@MauriceTarantulas The 9700k is a heavyweight that barely beats other heavyweights.
Would much rather have a i5 10500. Would utilize the GPU better. To fully utilize a 3080 a i7 10700 makes more sense, or even a 9700k.
Running a 3600 it's a waste of money with that GPU. pair it with a 1660s, be able to fully utilize it.
And if you want to talk pound-for-pound the 9700k is loma, the 10700 is Pacquiao.
@@johnnyice769 Loma's a lightweight so he should be around the lower i5 and the higher i3 range. And Pacquiao's most famous fights happened in welterweight so he's clearly an i5 or a ryzen 5. i7's should be like a light heavy or a cruiserweight or old school heavyweight(smaller doods) while an i9 should be a modern heavyweight. I can see that you don't know shit about boxing.
EDIT: Also the most optimal cpu for a 3080 would become the upcoming r7 5800x as it's a far more efficient and probably powerful cpu than both the 10700k and the 10900k.
Good to know that my 3600X can stay with me for a long time then. I'm thinking of stepping up to a 3000 series RTX card next year.
I've been pretty happy with the 3600 in my rig so far, this video certainly does not change that.
When I build my machine in June* I went with the 3600 as a sort of stop gap with the expectation of going for the next top end once AMD put it on the market in Q4, but it looks more and more like I may just stick with the 3600 as I always play in 4K.
*My old started acting up, else I would have just waited with a new build altogether.
Top notch, answered the question I had about pairing my R5 3600 with a brand new 3080 perfectly. Cheers guys!
3080 is a hoax. Never seen one irl. lol
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Here: R7 3700x and Vega 64, 16gb 3200 cl16, waitin on big navi. :)
Have u bought 3080 yet or will be going with 3070?
@@Markzy_DM I orderd a 3080 on launch day, but am still waiting for it to arrive, like the rest of the world (: Alas. This launch was a shitshow!
@@BIWTimmy in my country there is only zotac versions of 3070 and 3080, there was yesterday asus 3070 but 50% more price than zotac which is damn crazy 😁
This is my setup! (Minus the 3080 as they don't actually exist)
3080 is something that Rod Serling told me about in a Twilight Zone episode...or was that Night Gallery.
I actually have this set up up and running already. Just waitng on a new monitor to come in to really push it. I chose the 1440p 170hz asus one.
I remember watching Jay's video and his twitter and him hammering that matching 3080 with a cheaper CPU is stupid and nobody should do it.
I'm beginning to realize he enjoys talking out of his ass a lot.
Of course jay is right! No sane person should pair a flagship gpu with a midrange cpu cuz only morons mix expensive parts with cheap components. The i7 10700K/i9 10900K or the upcoming R7 5800X/R9 3900X is best match for 3080
Yep. I love watching Jay's videos but sometimes he says things that either don't make sense or alienates 90% of his viewing audience. I knew the 3600 would be fine with any GPU coming out this year and I rolled my eyes when I heard him say that... like we all have $500 plus to throw at just a CPU and if you don't then you don't deserve a 3080 or better.
@WhyAlways check gamers nexus too. But yea linus and jay are more on the entertainment side than actual data
@@vikrambhaskar7976 My 3080 and 3600 are working pretty well. 1440p165hz, high fps everywhere.
@@vikrambhaskar7976 Seriously dude, did you actually watch this video at all?
In terms of gaming, please explain to me why you must pair a high end GPU with a high end CPU. Bearing in mind the findings of this video...you know, that there's almost no real world difference in performance between the 3600 and a high end CPU in most cases.
Seems to me that a 'moron' as you put it is more likely to be someone who spends far more than they need to on a high end CPU when they could get pretty much the same gaming performance for a fraction of the price.
To the conversation at large, yeah Jay is an idiot. He has very little idea of what he's talking about most of the time. Purely entertainment. If I want actual data and researched facts I come here or go to Gamers Nexus like any sensible person should.
Two years later and I was able to get a used 3080 for $550. Its good to see that i can keep my 3600x for a little longer and focus first on a nice 1440p monitor 🙏
Very helpful. I bought a ryzen 5 3600 and Aorus mb a month ago. Put my ancient Stryx GTX 960 in as a place holder until the skies part and GPUs once again flow over the lands. Now I know I can go with whatever graphics card I please without worry of hamstringing my box.
Liked just after seeing the title. This channel always has unique content, just what the audience needs!
liked just after seeing this coment, .i agree 100% im planning on an rtx 3060(yes thats a thing, cheaoer than 3070)so when it comes in jan, it wont bottleneck
Glad I got the 3600 when it was $154.99. I bought 3 and made 3 builds with the RX580. Great gaming rigs for 1080P gaming.
Why in earth did you make three of the same setup?
@@sexyyoda7567 went to 3 different people
it was 154 for like a week or 2 i saw that. i got it for 167
@@JayzBeerz glad you said that
when was it that low? I was able to get mine from newegg for $170 back in may
On today’s episode of “things I can’t afford”
@@fran117 no
Lol been saving for 1 year to buy me a r5 3600 and now the new cpuz came out
@@PuffNips8741 yes but at least u can buy it
@@fran117 bro if everything u think about is a graphic card u might some new hobbies. Thats isnt healthy
@@fran117 get a better cpu
Thanks, Steve! This was exactly what I was looking for, glad to see my Ryzen 7 3700x will do just fine :D
@11:07 are you thinking of Ryzen 5 2600 here? Never seen the 3600 go that low here in the US new. Maybe used on ebay?
Ryzen + Big Navi = "Something Wonderful..." :D
I can't wait to upgrade to Big Navi or at least a 6800XT
lets not get ahead of ourselves now haha
@@PabzRoz Haha I’m way more excited for this GPU release then I should be 😂
@@kennethd4958 Same here. A new AMD revolution is coming. The official benchmarks putting Big Navi close to RTX 3080 gave me goosebumps! I expected nothing short of that, always believed in AMD. Let's hope real world benchmarks don't differ too much.
@@williamb.j.blazkowicz3814 If Big Navi can deliver 3080 like performance, for a £550-600 price point it would cause a real upset, and if the 6800 can give 3070esque performance for about £400 then AMD will be laughing. I'm not a huge AMD fanboy although my current setup is a r5 1600 and an rx 570, I go with whoever can get me the most performance for my money, and even if you prefer Nvidea or Intel, You should be hoping AMD do well as more competition leads to lower prices. Nvidea are obviously scared of Big Navi given how much cheaper the 3080 is than the 2080ti. The real winner in all of this is the consumers
At 4k no issues at all cause the 3080 barely hits 60fps at 4k (Ultra) in AAA games, in fact, doesnt even hit 60 in some of them so the 3600 is perfectly fine
the 3080 hit 60+ fps in almost all these games at 4k though? Only Control and Flight Simulator went below 60fps...
And this combo still has a easy upgrade path with Zen 3 just being announced recently.
If you're upgrading so soon it might be worth saving £50 by getting a Ryzen 5 2600 instead. It's not that far off.
Not worth it imo. Zen3 is not budget friendly anymore.
@@lenscapes2755 Unless you're going 5900X. 5900X still looks good with price to performance.
as long as you have a b550 or an x570 board that is. majority of people who made 3600 builds use b450 so they're going to have to upgrade their mb as well to take full advantage of zen 3.
@@PabzRoz b450 can run zen3 after bios update next year
That control graph! Wow if only ALL games were like that
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Thank you, I am upgrading my gtx 1080 to a rtx 3080 with a 3600 cpu, this has been great for reference for my 1440p monitor
4k its a perfect balance.
What an incredible cpu it is. Will likely go down as legendary one in history. Ryzen 2600 and 1070 was a great partnership, and it looks like the 3600 and 3070 will be match made in heaven also.
+ Fast ram
happy ryzen 5 3600 user with 3600mhz tuned ram :)
Same. Got GSkill 3600 cl16 and it's perfectly fine. Optimized a few timings and my minimum FPS jumped about 20-30 in PUBG. Works well for the price.
Me too, but for some reason I can't get my 3600 to run stable beyond 4175 MHz all core OC even with 1.3 V core voltage. I wonder what voltage did Steve run in this benchmark. I'm just sticking with PBO which gets me 4275 MHz at most in single or lightly threaded loads, and happy with my 3800 MHz memory and 1900 MHz FCLK
@@deuterium2132 I'd be happy with 4175 mhz all core. My processor barely hits 4.2 on any core and scores lower on average than latest silicon. I bought first week it came out and as the process matured it got like 10% better OC potential. Best I can do is 4150/4175 and that's at like 1.37 volts.
@@VanillaWahlberg ikr mine has year 20 week 24 in the production code, and they said that newer batch have more oc headroom, sadly not mine though
I recently had an intel system die on me unexpectedly and replaced it with a R5 3600 and a b550 motherboard. As I wasn't budgeting to replace fried equipment I am stuck with my old DDR4-2666 RAM until at least next payday. I'm very happy with the CPU though even if I was hoping not to have to upgrade just before a new generation comes out.
Just dropped a EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra in my machine - B450 Tomahawk Max, Ryzen 5 3600, and did the first mandatory upgrade - ordered an Alienware 25 360Mhz monitor.
Watching this, I'm wondering if I can upgrade to Ryzen 9 5900x (read that it is compatible but still haven't had it confirmed) with the B450 or is it even worth it?
Awesome vid as usual. What about the AMD 5 3500x - Much difference vs the 3600? Forgot, my combo was slightly different - have ordered 3080. Cheers
I have low standards. As long as it's over 60 FPS, I'm fine.
Amen
🙏 same here
i want 100fps+ at 1080P ULTRA
I'm actually looking at building a 4K machine for the first time after the dust has settled from the upcoming AMD cards and/or the 3080s become more widely available, since it looks like you can actually get 60+ fps at 4K now without spending $3000+.
@Adithya R As a new 144hz user, I say that 60fps is nowhere near unplayable. 30/60 fps difference is massive, 60/144hz is also big, but saying that 60fps is unplayable is straight up not true.
Wow, it seems that buying a 3600 last Christmas was a really good decision on my part. :-)
was it? 3500 is as good for gaming and cheaper
@@vladkostin7557 that is false, my friend. Also, the 3500 is not a consumer chip and is only available through prebuilt computers
@@castlebear199 I can buy as many 3500 locally (Russia) as I want, but if what you say is true it explains the mystery, because what I said IS true, 3500 is as good as 3600 for almost all games.
I’m just patiently waiting for youtubers to release 3070 benchmarks with different Amd CPUs to finally choose a comb
great video! all im interested is 1080p gaming, and i want to avoid bottleneck. im looking foward for the tests on a 3070 because i think this will be the card for me.
9:06 what the hell are you talking about? 62% of steam users use 1080p. At 144Hz any dips below 100 fps are irritating so I want to consistently stay above that in all scenarios.
cuz most dont use a 3080 to play at 1080p
Thanks for this video! I've been debating what cpu to go with a 3080 and 3440 x 1440 ultrawide and wasn't sure to risk waiting for the new amd cpus or not but it looks like a 3600 will be perfectly fine for now. Your content has been a big help over the last few months, great work guys!
I'd love to see this repeated with a 3070 and what ever $500 gpu AMD releases. This test shows that spending more of your budget on GPU and getting a mid/low grade CPU is going to get you more vs. Getting a "matching" level CPU/GPU.
And some BoomerTubers like Jayz will still say "too weak a CPU for such a strong GPU" and people get influenced by that.
Basically 3600 is almost future proof and a good "value for price" CPU. Whether it's a 2070 Super/5700xt to a 3080 (or even better?), 3600 is all you need. Unless you just "wanna spend for moar Coars" (well, I agree they have a purpose) and go with a 3700x or 10700k.
Right, i bet a 3600 + 3080 is faster in every gaming situation at and above 1080p vs a 9900k + 3070.
I always said, 30% of your budget for the GPU, about 40-50 €/$/£ for the PSU.
The rest can be spend how you like, but take enough RAM for anything current and in the next 2-3 years
Steve: if you have around 1000$ to spend on an upgrade
Me *looking at the last 15$ in my wallet*: Yeah, sounds about right
*cries in 1000$ CAD*
@@big.atom37 he's talking about Canadasinian Dollhairs
I meant Canadian Dollars.
awesome content. but how about for production workload, is the 3600+3080 combination a competitive pair?
I am getting a used rtx 3080 at descent price can I pair it with my Ryzen 5 4600G to enjoy ultra graphic gaming
Answers will be Appreciated ☺️
??
Imagine releasing a single threaded title in 2020 as a AAA title, in a game focused on realism, only to get numbers that low
imagine wasting money on anything other than a 3600 with a good gpu or higher like zen2 r9, or zen3 in general.....like imagine getting a 500-1000$ "budget build" When in 1 year cezanne will reshape the entire "budget build" landscape with their RDNA2 igpu...and lack of need for a PSU/GPU aspect for FHD gaming. As well as some of the SFF builds/game potential. While still having possibly the 5800x level performance cpu wise....its going to be the same schills/fooled customers of the 240hz odyssey g7, or the 240-360hz FHD crowd that spends 400+ sometimes even 500+ for a FHD panel in the case of 360hz. Cezanne will be peferfect for esports games or games played
"for science" XD So true 9:09
A good question to answer would be (probably can already be answered by your existing cumulative data at this point) is:
- What do I get if I invest a total of 1000 USD on CPU + GPU with approx. 500 spent on CPU and 500 spent on GPU vs. 250 spent on CPU and 750 spent on GPU. Is it 100% certain that 750 GPU with 250 CPU would ALWAYS win? Or, is it in fact a case-by-case situation. Now, of course, I am not talking about 500 or 750 USD GPUs from the current line-up but like if we take 2080ti (since 3070 will be at this level) as the 500 USD GPU and 3080 as the 750 USD GPU. Then obviously, 500 USD CPU could either be a 10900k/10850k or 5800X, and 250 USD CPU could either be 3600x/xt or i5 10600K. I beg you two answer this question.
Upgrading from a 3600 to a 3800 is actually the biggest upgrade I have ever done. I usually run a chat app and TH-cam along with my games and the switch to 8 core eliminated 90% of the stutter that would happen in gameplay. Makes all the difference in the world for me.
Instant like for any Harbour Boxed video! Love the detail that you all go into in all your content, Great one as always m8s! You keep making them and I will keep watching them!!!!
Also I am planning on upgrading my Zen+ CPU to a Zen2 or soon, although with a Zen3 I will need a new motherboard so not sure about that one...
"welcome back to harvard unboxed"
via TH-cam subtitles
after release of zen 3 , margins have widened at 1440p since they are faster than 10900k by at least 15%, now you are loosing at least 25% performance with 3600 instead of 5600x..
True. But that only matters if u are going to build pc from zero. But for those like me that have Ryzen 5 3600 and want to upgrade the GPU with better one like this one in the video (RTX 3080) to play on 1440p 144Hz monitor or above, then this combination is fine as shown in the graphs of the video. Yes, ufc u will lose vs the new CPU/GPU that just came. That is normal. The question is ..is the performance smooth and good still or not and u have to upgrade and the CPU as well. Yeah i will have ~30 fps less on avg vs 5600x on 1440p , but is that such a big problem? No. It is not cuz with my 3600 i still will have way above 60 fps for smooth gameplay with high settings (the so called minimum). If u dont see the numbers u wont tell what cpu is in the pc....cuz the dif. is not like 3600 has 30fps and 5600x has 100fps. So i have my 3600 for ~2 years now and i will just gonna get 3080 when i can get a hands on for my 1440p monitor.
Conclusion: 3600 is still the best choice for 99% of gamers.
Build my 1st AMD pc with R5 3600 last month and I'm so happy with it.
Great info! Please do the same testing with the 3070
whenever i think if i should replace my 3600 with a 5600x i visit this video and say naaaaah, my boi is still good.
check out steve's recent 3600 vs. 5600 video for a rude awakening
Damn 3600 is such a beast
I am interested in how the 1600 stacks up
As someone with one, poorly
@@Daeyae it is to be expected, but how poorly at 1440p or 4k?
@@frosty98412 4k It would probably be fine, there would be a bottleneck still as its only 3.2ghz and the IPC isn't great especially compared to the 3600, no idea for 1440p. And it would depend on the game, mine doesn't like The Witcher 3 when im in Novograd even if my GPU has power to spare the 1600 will be at 40% load and wont go up anymore.
@@Daeyae I've sold the 3600 at grabbed a 1400. The 1400 is dog crap at stock but really wakes up with manually tuned Samsung bdie.
It manages 3400 at 14 14 14 28 and tight subtimings, thus it becames stupid fast! Actually it's fast, even with really slow max overclocking, only 3.6, because it struggles to maintain 3.7! even with crazy vcore...
So, 1600 might be slow, but if it's paired with fast Ram and decent oc, over 3.9, I'm not so sure it's way slower than a 3600 with some random shit Ram.
@@TheSilviu8x Maybe but its not guaranteed from what ive seen the bins for them is kinda shitty and you'd be lucky to get one that OCs past 100mhz
Is there a Hardware Unboxed merch store?
Great Video UN! I wonder what PSU is required to run this setup.
I don't understand how you guys always have at least 100mhz higher clocks than any CPU (once overclocked) I've had or tested?
4.4 GHz is very typical for a new R5 3600, which is what this chip is.
@WhyAlways I have a Noctua NHD15 on it with 2x200mm coolers for intake and a 140mm exhaust. The temps are not the problem yet I still can't get beyond 4.125ghz
@@Hardwareunboxed Can't push mine beyond 4.125GHz, even with NHD15 and Asus X570 Prime P (your recommendation, not regretting it), am I doing something wrong?
@@matijamilovanovic6495 doesnt r5 3600 automatically boost to 4.2GHz or am i missing something?
@@matijamilovanovic6495 Yikes that's a super bad chip, think the worst I have does 4.3 GHz. Not sure what to tell you, it's pretty straight forward.
Someone make tech deals watch this.
Very interested to see how the 3600 pairs with the 3070. Could be a great combo for 1440p Gaming
When for 3080 is good, is also good for 3070, is normally. This ask were correctly only for a bigger card like 3090 or 6900 und i say, yes, also my 6900 works good with ryzen 5 3600🛀
This is the EXACT video I have been waiting for! You guys are amazing. I will be def keeping my 3600's for awhile. Now to find one of those new graphics cards. lol. Please Please Please include more 3600 content moving forward especially with all these new GPUs coming out. We can barely afford the new GPUs, so knowing we don't have to upgrade the CPU right away to play at 4K puts me at ease. (Insert Tiger Woods fist pump, lol) Keep up the great content fellas!
I bought a Ryzen 5 3600X a few months ago from micro center and I saw its 2 day sale price of $189.99 and had to do it since the 3600 was $159.99. Now they raised the prices again but I am very proud of my purchase as I do not overclock
I really like how you pronounce/say “3950X”
Wait until you hear an irishman or Brit pronounce CPUs and GPUs :)
@@roebbiej i have heard brits before, steve's still my favorite. cant seem to find an irish techtuber though
@@mzpedro1450 Paul from not an apple fan, and paul for red gaming tech. One talks like smooth velvet the other like curled fries
@@roebbiej haha, thanks mate, i'll check em out later!
LMAO im running a i7 6700k at 4.6ghz with my 3080, probably losing 20 fps to 30, any good recommendations to upgrade the cpu? value/performance
Diogo Teixeira anything amd
Ryzen 9 5900x when it comes out
Lol I'm still using a 6700k at 4.7ghz with a 1080 Ti at 1440p 144hz still going strong I'm waiting for alder lake/Zen5 with DDR5
Intel mate i7 10700k
@@mrodrigo253 why would he buy that if amd is releasing better cpus next month?
this isn`t about CPUs, it`s about apps and games using only 1 core, like intel fans like
what. Games stopped using only one core years ago... even before ryzen games used 2. after games have started using 4 or more
Apps and games dont only use one core, but are very centred around one core, it's due to the way they are programmed, with using multiple cores well is really hard to do optimally, it's not intel influencing apps its apps influencing intel
Even if games are made for more cores they still mostly utilize one core for the "world" thread which is why intel reigns bupreme. But hey at least the AMD guys can wait for the next thing around the corner like they always seem to be doing..
They like to use 1 brain cell aswell ^
try play game with high demand on cpu and you will found alot of bug...
How would the 3500x perform? Would it still be the same
@feeback,where are MOBA and RTS title, i know you guys do comprehensive review and benchmark but always leave them out . These games resource usage is different than your set of games and will provide a different prespective. Thanks in advance. Cheers for giving us an awesome video.
Should have 2700X in there as well.
its like 5-10% sower than 3600
so 20% less powerful than 10900k at 1440p
@@makisekurisu1925 Your blanket statement is incorrect, hence my post.
Now that AMD fell to intel's level, the 3000 series will still sell like hotcakes
Definitely do another test with the RTX 3070, just found this channel, subscribed, and I'll be waiting for that one.
Heya! 3600 user here!
Recently built my own PC, it has a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 together with a GTX 1660 Super.
While I'm quite happy with my performance so far, what GPU should I look at if I want to upgrade in the future?
Intel F chips need more love, man
btw did you test AsRock BFB feature (that boost Intel chip stock clock speed even without K and Z board) ??
Just curious, might be interesting content
Thank you for the great video. I have a 3600X and I was wondering whether it would make sense to upgrade when getting a 3080 (I mean , provided they are in stock at some point). I have a 1440p monitor @144hz and I have ordered 4K 144hz one. I will keep my processor and upgrade when AMD releases 5nm processors.
How much voltage did you set for the 3600 cpu ?
PC Gamers have always combined/upgraded their computers with newer GPUs... how can this be a bad idea?
The video title and tests performed are simply a rhetorical effort... but not waste of time because people will watch it anyway.
pc gamer are cheap.. they would used whatever cpu they had at the time... and cpu are the most expensive part of pc...
@@campkira People ask me all the time what kind of GPU you to buy for their 5-10 year old PC and once they do... suddenly they can play most new games on High settings... it's always a good idea to upgrade to a new GPU (unless you bought one last year). 😁
Could you guys do a video about VR gaming? It would be helpful to know what CPU is needed and a review comparing VR headsets
You final conclusion is exactly what I did. My budget was $1500, and I needed 32GB of RAM for my work (rendering). So I went with the 3600 (which I got for $180), RTX 3070 (paid over MSRP @ $700), B550 wifi for $120, 32GB 3600mhz G.skill cl 18 @ $110, 650W modular Gold Corsair PSU @ $90, Phantex p300A @ $50, a 6-pack of fans for $35, 1TB NVME for $110, 4TB HDD for $105.
My data shows I'm barely reaching 40% usage of my CPU, while I'm always using over 80% of my GPU, and over 70% of my RAM. But unfortunately, I can't afford a better GPU for at least a year or two now (with the way things are going... Maybe if the Bitcoin drops). I'm still happy with it. I don't mind waiting 20 second for a render instead of 8 second. When I make a video render... That's where it hurts (2 hours instead of 45 minutes if I had the 3080).
Your comment is what i was looking for, i am really interested in buying Ryzen 3600.
2022 is almost end and price of 3600 in India is so cheap now, i can afford it.
And your description gave me the idea that 3600 can run everything for atleast 4 5 years
You have no idea how hard I've searched for REAL comparisons for this combo. Thanks.
I appreciate you guys benchmarking F1 2020. One of the few channels that does. It’s my main game
Just got my Asus Tuf OC last week and it’s paired with a 3600. Under normal circumstances, I would never spend $700+ on a gpu but this time around it actually seemed to make sense. My FPS is within the margin of error when compared to yours on most games. So happy with my purchases this generation. This channel has been instrumental in transforming my conspicuous consumption into something a bit less conspicuous. You helped me pick out my 1440p 144hz monitor as well. Paired with my 3080, I’m basically in gamer heaven for the first time since I tore open a package containing an SNES as a little kid. Keep up the great work!
Whot do you guys think??? I have a 6700K clocked at 4.7ghz and thinking about getting a big navi or a RTX3080 BTW I game on a ultrawide 43inch 3840x1200. I will build a new PC in about a years time, atm I'm just looking to replace my GTX1080.
Hello HW unboxed, small idea.. can you do a video cpu comparison (maybe also with the new Zen 3) at fixed frequency for all the cpus? to test efficiency, IPC, etc at exactly same frequency for all, of course need to be lowered on Intel, considering the older Ryzen can't go over 4Ghz so easily (maybe 4ghz for all is a good benchmark). It's an interesting comparison to see how they perform at same speed, same for ddr4 memory. Usually Intel cpus frequencies are quite higher at stock than overclocked Ryzen, interesting to see how they perform at same settings to valuate better performance per core, price. Thank you, you're the best hardware channel on YT, good tech content but easy to watch.