Pylons are secondary. G-Man is requesting Primaris Marines. Unless Mars can make Primaris, Cawl's untouchable until the Galaxy reaches 'stability'. The best way to checkmate Cawl is to make him Fabricator General, he knows this. As for Qvo... that's something else.
That's what I think too, Cawl doesn't want to be the Fabricator General, it would tie him down because that position means also sitting on the Senatorum Imperialis and I don't think any of those leave the sol system.
i mean i dont doubt mars CAN make primaris. the tech is pretty widely spread by now, and mars has the tech for regular sm's. whats more chapters pay a tithe of geneseed to the mechanicum. its mostly to check for purity, but im sure they've also got a stockpile of it in case anyone runs out for whatever reason.
Cawl isn't specifically needed to make Primaris marines though. The technology is available independent of Cawl, and other members of the Adeptus Mechanicus can oversee it.
Robute just has to make Cawl a citizen of the Empire, have him repatriate from the Mechanicum, then make Cawl his Technological advisor, give him all the resources that the Mech's can provide under the Terms. If the Mechanicum denied Robute, they would be in transgression, regardless of whether they agreed or not with what the Imperium was doing with those resources.
@@probablythedm1669 But if Grogius (the servo skull) gets found by some miracle, his attempts to give parts of the golden throne with possible DNA of the Emperor on them to dark eldar is discovered, Inquisition will be the least of Mars' problem. Captain General himself will feed him to a recycling bin. Crawl does not know this but somewhere out there is a servo skull which could make him a fabricator general. Letting xeno foul clone the Ommissiah knowingly or not it a heresy on a level that even Cawls experiments cannot match in magnitude. If he was to bring evidence to either the Custodes or Guilliman, would open a lot of door for him.
I've been saying for years that the admech definitely need a civil war hopefully it happens and GW decide to pump as much cool into the faction as possible during and after. Everything of value gw puts out is for the space marines so more and more of the fan base is just focused on space marines and that will kill 40k in the long term. So a book series focused on the admech would be great
I always said the Mechanicus would one day be led by cawl guess that prediction is coming true with him at the helm I can see humanity return to its dark age of technology status considering all the wonders he’s created thus far
Knowing how the story is going and how flawed Crawl is I will have to disagree. That said I do think that he will be leading the Mechanicus and stabilize the IoM for a while
@@Mortarion-xt9wp Truthfully the only way I can see GW going is Crawl getting the W. The lore that GW has made for 40K IoM has written themselves into a corner with it's 'no innovation' rule has forced limits its model and lore for the Imperium and it factions, as issues with the plot holes with STC supposedly becoming harder and harder to find and closely guarded, the making of new models are more often than not excused by saying 'they found a new STC!'... the thing that has become so hard to find and isn't even gaenteed to be militarily important, it seems odd that the Imperium keeps finding the right STC in times of need. At least with Crawl becoming the Fabricator General means that we at least have some more verity of reasons on new Imperium tech.
@@jonharrison9222 And what they the Treaty and Cawl wants are irrelevant. my argument is that GW had wrote itself into a corner and that at least with Cawl at the helm, some innervation that isn't purely STC based that isn't Tau or Chaos based could happen. Cawl may not like it but he will do it. That is my argument. Hell it could be used to cause Skirmishes between the imperium and the Adept lore wise that can easily explain tabletop battles between the two groups want to do that
Should things really come to a head, the best thing to do, in my opinion is to have the Fabricator-General and Belisarius Cawl be in the presence of the Omnissiah (The Emperor of Mankind) and allow him to arbitrate on whether Cawl has crossed the boundary of 'Tech' orthodoxy, bearing in mind, the Omnissiah had once instructed Cawl to carry on with his work and research even if he thinks it might betray him.
I wonder if Big E. would be coherent enough to choose. He seemed pretty torn up last time we heard him. At least, if Guilliman's version of this 'conversation' was the correct one. :/
"when it comes to the black pylons... Cawl understands the circuitry on the surface of the pylons is the flow of force.. along with the trickle effect... As the pylons react.. it reverberates like a metal tooner... But for the wave length of chaos... Well not just chaos... As it provides a antenna system for the necrons to move unhindered."
Haven’t read the book, but just a thought, there might be an element of Guilliman intentionally inspiring Cawl by giving him a tight deadline. Sort of a “oh well. If you don’t think you can do it I understand. Machines can be pretty tricky after all.” Only for Cawl to think “oh I will show him!”
I thought the Fabricator General was killed during the illegal attempt by the Custodes, Inquisition and Mechanicus to offer the Dark Eldar worlds in exchange for technology to repair the golden throne.
I will ask a question of you again. This is off topic. I had asked on a oouple video of yours what a particular piece of music you used quite often was. Videos referenced are the one of Leman confronting the Khan upon his arrival to the segmentum solar after the attack by the Death Guard, Emperors Children and Keeper of Secrets in the warp, and the one of Curze meeting Lion with Corswain and Sevatar before stabbing him in the tummy. It's just the most appropriate theme for the setting. Thank you for your time!
The Fabricator General was lost in the Webway and swarmed by Dark Eldar... I don't think he is in a position to do anything. So there are actually pretty good chances for Cawl to become the new Fabricator General.
The fabricator general is also dead according to a short story that involved the Golden throne failing and the dark elder trying to steal big e genetics. Worse is no one knows...
i truly believe the Inquisition cant do Shhhhh to the Mechanicus like they re way to important they might be able to do something to a mechanicus that not specifically on a forge world like be on a ship .but down there ? nuh you will most likely end up a servitor "by accident" it has happen before
idk, I think adding a Adeptus Mechanicus civil war on top of the tyranid threat, which is starting to finish off the orks, AND the cigatrix maledictum, would be just too much for the Imperium. GW needs to wrap up one of the other existential threats before they open up another can of worms.
If Cawl succeeds in creating a sort of Imperial web way with Nercon tech, he can say that the Emperor tried his project using Eldar tech soooooo.... Did the Emperor break an edict of the Mechanicus as well?
Yes, it is jperceptual time travel (from the perspective of an observer), just like you’d get from travel at near light speed Exceptions to this could be very rapidly rotating black holes, maybe?
You need to read the book titanicus if you have not already. The idea of a civil war within the mechanicum is not exactly far-fetched nor is it hard to spark.
Itd disrupt a lot of stuff....like during the seige of terra cant fight the people worshiping the emperor and the traitors at the same time especially with things running deep into the regular soldiers and worse some astartes
But who is actually going to put Cawl on trial since the Fabricator General is dead and missing? With him dead, it could be a great set up to install Cawl as the head of Mars as a punishment.
I don’t think GW is all that interested in the Mechanicum as such. They introduced Kelbor-Hal for one book and promptly forgot about him for the rest of the Heresy series.
Doesn’t Cawl have the de facto protection of the Primarch? Isn’t that like being a made man in the mafia? You just don’t mess with somebody who’s in good with RG?
The high lords of terra aren’t all pro RG and would happily use this as a reason to actively oppose him. It’s the same reason RG wants to keep the whole imperium secundus affair under wraps
Hopefully it will lead to reform within the dogmatic inflexible stagnant Adeptus Mechanicus. In their current state, they are becoming a liability. Stagnation is extinction with extra steps.
The imperium would not survive another admech civil war. The Dark Mechanicum would get stronger. And the Genestealers have infiltrated the Legio Skitarii. It would be a big old mess.
I wonder if Gilliman should make a deal with the Tau to co-develop the pylons. The Tau are more dependable and advanced in a lot of ways and are a lot less likely to betray the Imperium.
If Mars, under Cawl, gets its innovation on... god help the galaxy.
The imperuim would ascend to its age of technology status or surpass it in no time
The Dragon stirs…
Imagine all new legions of primaris with every geneseed maybe even a new wave of Emperor tier primarchs
reverse engineered tau railguns on centurions..... @@colethompson9778
@maltheri9833 just a thinking point thank you for pointing me at a cannon book but my comment still stands
Cawl can quickly appease and win the war by providing the toaster STC.
Throw in a Coffee maker STC and you have a deal.
@@Yekenahdinnaematter Only if it is advanced enough to accommodate bagels.
Is that the talkie toaster from red dwarf? 😁
Howdie doodly do.
Pylons are secondary. G-Man is requesting Primaris Marines. Unless Mars can make Primaris, Cawl's untouchable until the Galaxy reaches 'stability'. The best way to checkmate Cawl is to make him Fabricator General, he knows this. As for Qvo... that's something else.
That's what I think too, Cawl doesn't want to be the Fabricator General, it would tie him down because that position means also sitting on the Senatorum Imperialis and I don't think any of those leave the sol system.
i mean i dont doubt mars CAN make primaris. the tech is pretty widely spread by now, and mars has the tech for regular sm's. whats more chapters pay a tithe of geneseed to the mechanicum. its mostly to check for purity, but im sure they've also got a stockpile of it in case anyone runs out for whatever reason.
Cawl isn't specifically needed to make Primaris marines though. The technology is available independent of Cawl, and other members of the Adeptus Mechanicus can oversee it.
Couldn’t even if he wanted to, forbidden by treaty of Mars.
Cawl has hundreds of thousands of Primaris in stasis in caches all over the imperium.
Robute just has to make Cawl a citizen of the Empire, have him repatriate from the Mechanicum, then make Cawl his Technological advisor, give him all the resources that the Mech's can provide under the Terms. If the Mechanicum denied Robute, they would be in transgression, regardless of whether they agreed or not with what the Imperium was doing with those resources.
have you not read the dark city ? from my understanding raskien is no longer around
His "core unit" escapes to Luna, but I'm honestly not sure what that means.
@@probablythedm1669 But if Grogius (the servo skull) gets found by some miracle, his attempts to give parts of the golden throne with possible DNA of the Emperor on them to dark eldar is discovered, Inquisition will be the least of Mars' problem. Captain General himself will feed him to a recycling bin. Crawl does not know this but somewhere out there is a servo skull which could make him a fabricator general. Letting xeno foul clone the Ommissiah knowingly or not it a heresy on a level that even Cawls experiments cannot match in magnitude. If he was to bring evidence to either the Custodes or Guilliman, would open a lot of door for him.
Ooh been too long, time for serious mechanicus drama. Even with some spoilers this video makes me want to read the book even more. Good stuff Wolf!
I've been saying for years that the admech definitely need a civil war hopefully it happens and GW decide to pump as much cool into the faction as possible during and after. Everything of value gw puts out is for the space marines so more and more of the fan base is just focused on space marines and that will kill 40k in the long term. So a book series focused on the admech would be great
A renaissance is more what I'd hope to see, but a shakeup for sure!
I always said the Mechanicus would one day be led by cawl guess that prediction is coming true with him at the helm I can see humanity return to its dark age of technology status considering all the wonders he’s created thus far
Knowing how the story is going and how flawed Crawl is I will have to disagree.
That said I do think that he will be leading the Mechanicus and stabilize the IoM for a while
@@Mortarion-xt9wp Truthfully the only way I can see GW going is Crawl getting the W. The lore that GW has made for 40K IoM has written themselves into a corner with it's 'no innovation' rule has forced limits its model and lore for the Imperium and it factions, as issues with the plot holes with STC supposedly becoming harder and harder to find and closely guarded, the making of new models are more often than not excused by saying 'they found a new STC!'... the thing that has become so hard to find and isn't even gaenteed to be militarily important, it seems odd that the Imperium keeps finding the right STC in times of need.
At least with Crawl becoming the Fabricator General means that we at least have some more verity of reasons on new Imperium tech.
Except the treaty of Mars forbids it and Cawl doesn’t want it.
@@jonharrison9222 And what they the Treaty and Cawl wants are irrelevant. my argument is that GW had wrote itself into a corner and that at least with Cawl at the helm, some innervation that isn't purely STC based that isn't Tau or Chaos based could happen. Cawl may not like it but he will do it. That is my argument. Hell it could be used to cause Skirmishes between the imperium and the Adept lore wise that can easily explain tabletop battles between the two groups want to do that
Should things really come to a head, the best thing to do, in my opinion is to have the Fabricator-General and Belisarius Cawl be in the presence of the Omnissiah (The Emperor of Mankind) and allow him to arbitrate on whether Cawl has crossed the boundary of 'Tech' orthodoxy, bearing in mind, the Omnissiah had once instructed Cawl to carry on with his work and research even if he thinks it might betray him.
I wonder if Big E. would be coherent enough to choose. He seemed pretty torn up last time we heard him. At least, if Guilliman's version of this 'conversation' was the correct one. :/
"when it comes to the black pylons... Cawl understands the circuitry on the surface of the pylons is the flow of force.. along with the trickle effect... As the pylons react.. it reverberates like a metal tooner... But for the wave length of chaos... Well not just chaos... As it provides a antenna system for the necrons to move unhindered."
Haven’t read the book, but just a thought, there might be an element of Guilliman intentionally inspiring Cawl by giving him a tight deadline. Sort of a “oh well. If you don’t think you can do it I understand. Machines can be pretty tricky after all.”
Only for Cawl to think “oh I will show him!”
I thought the Fabricator General was killed during the illegal attempt by the Custodes, Inquisition and Mechanicus to offer the Dark Eldar worlds in exchange for technology to repair the golden throne.
Roundabout Girthyman can and probably would make some inconvenient coglovers disappear.
Cawl: I’m going back in time to steal alien tech and be F**king awesome while doing it.
Mechanicus: were telling 😐
New video great . and about the Mechanicus no less even better
I will ask a question of you again. This is off topic. I had asked on a oouple video of yours what a particular piece of music you used quite often was. Videos referenced are the one of Leman confronting the Khan upon his arrival to the segmentum solar after the attack by the Death Guard, Emperors Children and Keeper of Secrets in the warp, and the one of Curze meeting Lion with Corswain and Sevatar before stabbing him in the tummy. It's just the most appropriate theme for the setting. Thank you for your time!
Yes, because trials always tend to work in 40k (or 30k). Oh wait, *THAT* was a "Council", silly me...
The Fabricator General was lost in the Webway and swarmed by Dark Eldar... I don't think he is in a position to do anything. So there are actually pretty good chances for Cawl to become the new Fabricator General.
Actually his core unit made it to a webway gate on Luna and survived.
@@rajukoley9249 Oh? Do you remember where that was written?
@@Pandamic I remember that from the lexicanum not sure if it's canon the things written in it are generally true to the lore.
Treaty of Mars forbids Guilliman from installing his own fabricator general.
The fabricator general is also dead according to a short story that involved the Golden throne failing and the dark elder trying to steal big e genetics. Worse is no one knows...
i truly believe the Inquisition cant do Shhhhh to the Mechanicus like they re way to important they might be able to do something to a mechanicus that not specifically on a forge world like be on a ship .but down there ? nuh you will most likely end up a servitor "by accident" it has happen before
Isn’t the fabricator general dead now? Like in one of the vaults of terra books did they die in the battle with Dark Eldar?
His core unit made it to a webway gate on Luna and survived.
idk, I think adding a Adeptus Mechanicus civil war on top of the tyranid threat, which is starting to finish off the orks, AND the cigatrix maledictum, would be just too much for the Imperium.
GW needs to wrap up one of the other existential threats before they open up another can of worms.
Cawl is the only Admech character with any story so if there is an admech civil war cawl will win by default
If the fabricator general were to get more novel time, they need to use the TTS voice for the audiobook.
Nothing can stop the Rise of Vashtorr. The 5th Great Power and True Omnissiah is ascended!
So.e big internal strife in the mechanicum would be a great time to launch a dark mechanicus army line...
Wasnt Belasarius´ point that the edict wasnt broken, when he was just using a natural occurring phenomena?
Raskian survived and made it back to Imperium? And with custodes aware of what transpired?
If Cawl succeeds in creating a sort of Imperial web way with Nercon tech, he can say that the Emperor tried his project using Eldar tech soooooo.... Did the Emperor break an edict of the Mechanicus as well?
Stupid mech boys. Pulling something from a black hole isn't time travel. It's still now. It just got here faster, relatively.
Yes, it is jperceptual time travel (from the perspective of an observer), just like you’d get from travel at near light speed
Exceptions to this could be very rapidly rotating black holes, maybe?
The War of Innovation.
Thats a heretical tac, a true Cog would Call it the War Against Innovation.... heretek!
@@bobh9492 I am Alpharius...
Am I a Heretic?
@@rogerbrownreacts8528 I have it on good authority the real Alpharius is in a specemine jar on Mars, you, sir, are a liar.
A trial? Would Trazyn be called as a witness or something?
You need to read the book titanicus if you have not already. The idea of a civil war within the mechanicum is not exactly far-fetched nor is it hard to spark.
But the Fabricator General was killed in the webway exchange with the Drukahri
Itd disrupt a lot of stuff....like during the seige of terra cant fight the people worshiping the emperor and the traitors at the same time especially with things running deep into the regular soldiers and worse some astartes
I thought the fabricator general got killed trying to work with the eldar on a second golden throne?
Or is it time for a reformation of the old mechanicum pre H.H.
Void dragon watching👀👀
But who is actually going to put Cawl on trial since the Fabricator General is dead and missing? With him dead, it could be a great set up to install Cawl as the head of Mars as a punishment.
It is simple the fabricator general calls cawl a call to kill some custodians and all will be fine between them.
Mars gonna be glowing green if Cawl comes to power
@Rho Hope your mum's better now fella👊🏽
Is time travel being introduced just to bring Sanguinius back?
No.
I don’t think GW is all that interested in the Mechanicum as such. They introduced Kelbor-Hal for one book and promptly forgot about him for the rest of the Heresy series.
I am not surprised that Metalica wants to censure Cawl, Metalica is more rigid and dogmatic compared to many other forgeworlds.
They arent going to do shit, CAWL is going to hand them some long last gear and STC and they will call it settled
I thought cawl was already the fabricatir general
Doesn’t Cawl have the de facto protection of the Primarch? Isn’t that like being a made man in the mafia? You just don’t mess with somebody who’s in good with RG?
The high lords of terra aren’t all pro RG and would happily use this as a reason to actively oppose him. It’s the same reason RG wants to keep the whole imperium secundus affair under wraps
Hopefully it will lead to reform within the dogmatic inflexible stagnant Adeptus Mechanicus. In their current state, they are becoming a liability. Stagnation is extinction with extra steps.
I think it would be the opposite, cawl would have come after mars
Go go cawl !!!!!!
The imperium would not survive another admech civil war. The Dark Mechanicum would get stronger. And the Genestealers have infiltrated the Legio Skitarii. It would be a big old mess.
Spoiler:
I believe Oud Oudia Raskian is either dead or lost in the webway as of Vaults of Terra: The Dark City.
No his core unit made it to a webway gate on Luna and he survived.
Seems like the Imperium marches closer and closer to a second sundering. Thankfully, everything is Gucci over here in the farsight enclaves
How does Cawl know/have all of this extra knowledge/ect but doesn't know that every Ark Mechanicus ship has a complete library of every STC...
Well, he did mingle one theorical principle with the tale of Goldilocks and the Three Bears once, so... xD
They'd better. I'd be one step closer to making 40k grimdark again.
40K grimdark is a stupid and boring. It would not happen, coz iom is dead in this case. La finita
Cute.@@BloodyArchangelus
I wonder if Gilliman should make a deal with the Tau to co-develop the pylons. The Tau are more dependable and advanced in a lot of ways and are a lot less likely to betray the Imperium.
To raise another point, the Inquisition! The Inquisition have a long memory & Cawl has crossed them many times! Cawls days are numbered!
So do the space wolves. And the sons of russ owe their new strength of numbers directly to Cawl. Plus the whole months of shame thing.
The Inquisition will have to go through Guilliman and the Space Wolves.
I don’t pity anyone who tries.