Tony Salt Chavez I don't know why the fuck you felt the need to say anything about that but from experience I know that learning characters helps to give a better understanding of what they can and can't do well so please stop tryna shit on this dude
This so hard! This is acomplete waste of time theirs nothing to be gained by doing this except the feeling like your doing something meanswhile hes gonna get rusty with his team and it will backfire.
Thats what I've been trying to say to everyone who said he was "learning the characters". He lost because he was the Po and go1 the Jo while dogura is the Ken. He needs to learn how to not let GO1 kill his momentum.
Laf. No, Sonicfox underestimated his opponent and paid the price. This is him doing what needed to be done to take the matchup seriously. But I suppose we'll know for sure once they face each other in the future, won't we.
The three things sonicfox underestimated against G01 were Gohan's ability to use massive pressure after attaining level 1 of his ultimate power, Cell's ability to combo when coming in through an assist, and Vegeta's invincible knee attack which is also one of the safest anti-air attacks in the game. He needs to focus.
The Paradox Zone, the guy that replied to you literally felt the need to copy paste his hate comment to reply to you, lol. And I'm rooting with you for Fox, he's a legend.
twitchinstereo oh I thought you were bringing an actual argument but, I can see your not very intelligent and a hater my fault for responding to a moron.
Alfredo De Jesus I know that they played at final round, but I want to see a longer set between the two. I think that nakkiel could have won that set if he played a little better. A first to 10 would be very interesting between the two
He improved tremendously from the last clip I saw, at least with A. Gohan. Still, he is the same agressive Sonic Fox that lost to a more strategic momentum killer GO1
GO1 got him because he began to understand his tactics and is far more adept with his 3 characters. Sonicfox is really good. But it seemed like his time was most invested in Android 16 and being cheesy. I'm excited to see what he learns.
Samuel van Etten to be fair, he said that at the beginning of the games lifespan. Seeing him more and more probably made him realize how broken that assist truly is
If you can't beat em. Join em. I will say yeah he's either doing this to better understand them or he wants to fight fire with fire. Sonics previous team is super good! But I think he realizes that this particular team has so much pressure (which fits sonic's playstyle) why not try them out. I think a huge problem against any character in the roster is adult Gohan, I believe it's sonic uses him with his old team he'd have a much bigger chance.
Tbh Gohan just has so much going for him to the point where he is arguably the best character in the game. You could even argue that he deserves a nerf more than any other character (including Goku black).
For those unaware, sonicfox is actually planning on playing cell/kid buu/gotenks as of today. Not Go1's team. Check out his Twitter to see for yourself.
Manga Master 13 Don't mind him he has a raging hate boner for Sonic Fox and people who dont hate him for some reason. But itll be cool to so Gotenks in a competitive setting, i love his spin move.
MLPAiden, I main Gohan as well and it took a while to learn the loop. The timing is very specific and can only be done at certain leveling and if anything we can try to play so I can help with that
Michael Perez thanks for the proposition but i'm more of a solo person, i can do it in training but pulling it off mid match is soo god damn hard to me I guess this is why sonicfox is at the top and i'm not haha
"He's using this team to figure out its weaknesses" vegeta cell and adult gohan aren't really rare characters to come across the reason fox lost is because of GO1's defense. If he wanted to learn these match ups he wouldn't have to play with them to understand how they work, they're literally everywhere
Messows that would be true if people that played the team other than GO1 were high level players. Playing casuals and ranked doesn’t teach you anything but bad habits
If this man was really trying to find out a "weakness" he should start reviewing the footage and look at where he fucked up at instead of playing with the team. Just because you play with a team doesn't mean you can find out it's weakness. That's like playing jin on tekken 7 and you fight a mighty ruler jin and get completely demolished. Just because you know the character doesn't mean you know the player skills with that character.
I hate that this game fell for the same team comp as MvC of having to pick at less 2 of tier character if you want to compete. I can’t wait for balance changes
Anyone else's team 18, Kid Buu, and Cell? I'd love to see someone show me a thing or two so I can take them to a "better level"! By the way... who's pumped for Bardock and Broly today?
You can play the team all you want but it’s not the characters that makes the victories it’s the players themselves. Learning team won’t magically make you learn the player. SonicFox doesn’t stand a chance.
What to learn from this team? This is not tekken where you have to learn every character's framesntonget a good grip. The real problem is GO1 being so good in defense then breaking his momentum with vegeta. There is no trick to his team other than him very good at reactions. He almost stopped all dragon rushes fox made. Fox got downloaded twice!
Henry Asenime Man his Goku Black is a cut above the rest. But GO1 just has him downloaded. He needs to work on his punish game or just gone ahead and replace Black with Gohan. Fuck it, it's a 3v3. Some characters perform better for certain teams. As for me I Mained Nappa for a while really good with him but his follow ups are kinda trash. So I use Krillin in my team with, Majin Buu, Blue Vegeta. And the flow feels just right imo.
The team is barely the issue, a lot of it has to do the GO knows when and how to counter a lot. His reads, patience and character knowledge is worth more than the team he’s using
The whole "learning the characters " Ok let's debunked this. You made a tier list prior before this. So judging by that you understood the cast strengths and weaknesses and made your team because of it. I like sonicfox but this feels more if u can't be them join them. If anything I would change is my bad habits or watch past fights and get better.
Some characters need nerfs. Adult gohan is one amongst a few. Other characters need small buffs to make them competitive. Not talking major changes. Just something small would help.
I, as a 16 main, can tell that 16 is slightly outta the standards. I mean. The armored heavies have reeeeaaaalllly long startups and recovery times soo. Thats not the problem. I guess the problem is 1. His true hard knockdown has a million mindgames to deceive an opponent to secure a combo and its not that difficult to land. 2. That he is not being used as intended. A grappler. He is more of a rushdown , mixup heavy, intense pressure character without almost any zoning tools that is a nightmare after 1 command grab knockdown. He is not a full grappler like broly will. And thanks to that I nearly dont even need to use his other command grab options because the hard knockdown one is all I need. But this are just my experiences and ideas with him. Overall, even if he didnt had that knockdown, his combo potential is insane with almost any assist.
From what I saw from their Matches sonic fox just isn't as skilled as go1. Fox would rek me . Dudes good af but go1 in some other sht . Even in this clip he's making way to many mistakes go1 would punish
boring ,.sooooooooooo many teams with adult gohan+cell+vegeta,.goku black goku goku ssb,.vegeta ssb goku black gohan,.gohan gohan .,goku goku goku black ,.,.copy paste x1938129...then u want to time the fucking teen gohan bombs to continue the combo and u cant ,.,.yeah lets all play gohan gokus and vegetas
bc moneyandguns no. Atleast use yall heads before jumping to conclusions. He's trying to figure out the team and gain a better understanding so he can counter it with his team.
Chill fanboi. I'm just seeing how it is. U make it seem like I'm bashing him they both good I'm just after the tournament was done and he lost to him soincfox pick the SAME TEAM. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING
U can do that without have to do the same Exact move as your opponent plus they team but I guess I get wat u trying to say. Like I said I'm just seeing it how things look. No shots on sonicfox cuz ik a lot of fanboys gone hate me lol.
Boba Renning Sonic Fox literally makes a living off of this. If he doesn't win then he is homeless. Why shouldn't he try his hardest when this is his job that puts food on the table?
Boba Renning exactly. Its not like these characters are rare to see at all. He didn't lose because he didn't know the match up he lost because of how good GO1's defense was
Kevin Nguyen yes it is, because you fanboys were like: sonicfox the best he dominates every game he plays. And yet here he stands salty trying to redeem himself
*Sonicfox learning GO1’s team so he can better understand the team’s strength’s and weaknesses
Obaid Majid yes because vegeta is so high tier and he never played against gohan and cell before....
Obaid Majid Exactly what I was going to say.
Obaid Majid Someone please make this top comment or pin it
Samuel van Etten yes because playing against cell and gohan means you have the full knowledge of their capabilities
Tony Salt Chavez I don't know why the fuck you felt the need to say anything about that but from experience I know that learning characters helps to give a better understanding of what they can and can't do well so please stop tryna shit on this dude
The main problem is not the team more so go1 defensive knowledge
This so hard! This is acomplete waste of time theirs nothing to be gained by doing this except the feeling like your doing something meanswhile hes gonna get rusty with his team and it will backfire.
Thats what I've been trying to say to everyone who said he was "learning the characters". He lost because he was the Po and go1 the Jo while dogura is the Ken. He needs to learn how to not let GO1 kill his momentum.
So much this!!
Max Rusty or maybe he just wants to a play a video game the way he wants because you know... video games are meant to be for fun😬
Laf. No, Sonicfox underestimated his opponent and paid the price. This is him doing what needed to be done to take the matchup seriously. But I suppose we'll know for sure once they face each other in the future, won't we.
Your music picks are the best really. Poolside goes so well.
The three things sonicfox underestimated against G01 were Gohan's ability to use massive pressure after attaining level 1 of his ultimate power, Cell's ability to combo when coming in through an assist, and Vegeta's invincible knee attack which is also one of the safest anti-air attacks in the game.
He needs to focus.
Best way to beat your opponent...is to become your opponent. Once he finds its weakness, Fox is gonna come back stronger than ever
Tony Salt Chavez OK
Tony Salt Chavez literally youve been spamming this everywhere gtfo
The Paradox Zone, the guy that replied to you literally felt the need to copy paste his hate comment to reply to you, lol. And I'm rooting with you for Fox, he's a legend.
Michael Perez I noticed. That's why I didn't bother to entertain him.
He's actually learning Gotenks next and, playing Tekken for fun.
Lucas Tonoli Why the hate?
twitchinstereo how many Tekken player's can beat sonicfox in Mk, Injustice, DOA,under birth, Skullgirls, marvel or dragon Ball fighterz? I'll wait.
twitchinstereo oh I thought you were bringing an actual argument but, I can see your not very intelligent and a hater my fault for responding to a moron.
For the people who don't know, he just using this team to find its weaknesses.
Crazygamer3889 spoilers there are none LUL
I love watching them cell corner combo loops. They look sooo cool!
If you can't beat them play as them
Getting so much better I see o.o
Hopefully he can find a good team to counter GO1's. Maybe a team with better synergy rather than 3 point characters.
Go1 vs Chris G that would be an epic fight
SuikodenPlayer ah hell yeah a 10-0 instead of a 10-4
I wanna see nakkiel Go1
New gohan vs old gohan
TheGameBoyUltimate actually there's a match
Alfredo De Jesus I know that they played at final round, but I want to see a longer set between the two. I think that nakkiel could have won that set if he played a little better. A first to 10 would be very interesting between the two
TheGameBoyUltimate it wouldnt be close
He improved tremendously from the last clip I saw, at least with A. Gohan. Still, he is the same agressive Sonic Fox that lost to a more strategic momentum killer GO1
GO1 got him because he began to understand his tactics and is far more adept with his 3 characters. Sonicfox is really good. But it seemed like his time was most invested in Android 16 and being cheesy. I'm excited to see what he learns.
Lmao I love how everyone brings up him hating on vegeta. Like any character won't be amazing in the hands of G01
Wasn't he bashing Vegeta for like a long time?
Edited because I can't spell. lol
Alastrian Xenos yes he was, and he is a hypocrite
Can you read?
Samuel van Etten to be fair, he said that at the beginning of the games lifespan. Seeing him more and more probably made him realize how broken that assist truly is
Alastrian Xenos he has to learn the full team. That was an early tier list Vegeta is mid due to the threat of the DP and a decent M poke.
Samuel van Etten people are allowed to change their opinions
If you can't beat them, learn them.
I love Poolside. Favorite Tekken 5 song.
If you can't beat em. Join em. I will say yeah he's either doing this to better understand them or he wants to fight fire with fire. Sonics previous team is super good! But I think he realizes that this particular team has so much pressure (which fits sonic's playstyle) why not try them out. I think a huge problem against any character in the roster is adult Gohan, I believe it's sonic uses him with his old team he'd have a much bigger chance.
Those air leg loops haha, I feel his pain.
The teams weakness is not what he needs to figure out it’s GO1 weakness
Damn Xuses got the Nevan battle theme? Whatchu know bout that DMC3 my boy, jk play more stuff like that pls
Go1 is still gonna body Fox when they face each other again
this is hilarious considering how he said vegeta sucked until go1 made him eat his words
The infamous mirror match approaches? 🤔🤔🤔
Fox can learn the in's and out's of Go1's team but the defence is the real problem.
Tbh Gohan just has so much going for him to the point where he is arguably the best character in the game. You could even argue that he deserves a nerf more than any other character (including Goku black).
...Android 16...
Why nerfing chars when u can make all of the op?
If you have ever played any of arc system's fighting games ( blaze blue ,guilty gear etc.) Then you should know they often nerf more then buff.
Good point
That would be stupid
This dude SonicFox is now the Kevin Durant of DBFZ. Smh
For those unaware, sonicfox is actually planning on playing cell/kid buu/gotenks as of today. Not Go1's team. Check out his Twitter to see for yourself.
Manga Master 13 we are not fanboys so why would we follow
I didn't say you had to follow him
Manga Master 13 Don't mind him he has a raging hate boner for Sonic Fox and people who dont hate him for some reason.
But itll be cool to so Gotenks in a competitive setting, i love his spin move.
Doesn't matter if he finds a weakness in GO1's team. If he doesn't step his defense up GO1 will just stomp him out all over again.
Damn Xuses really loves the tekken music! Are you also gonna cover tekken on this channel? 😁
Sadly no. Don’t have the time.
Samuel van Etten Tekken OST is god like
I always found it funny how ssj Goku and Vegeta are better than their ssb iterations in FighterZ.
Christ he can do the leg loop corner combo already ? I main him and i still can't do that shit
MLPAiden, I main Gohan as well and it took a while to learn the loop. The timing is very specific and can only be done at certain leveling and if anything we can try to play so I can help with that
Michael Perez thanks for the proposition but i'm more of a solo person, i can do it in training but pulling it off mid match is soo god damn hard to me
I guess this is why sonicfox is at the top and i'm not haha
With that frame delay too O.o
Some of the people in these comments are sad smh
Wouldn't hit.cell.vegeta be a better counterpick to GO1's team?
"He's using this team to figure out its weaknesses" vegeta cell and adult gohan aren't really rare characters to come across the reason fox lost is because of GO1's defense. If he wanted to learn these match ups he wouldn't have to play with them to understand how they work, they're literally everywhere
Messows that would be true if people that played the team other than GO1 were high level players. Playing casuals and ranked doesn’t teach you anything but bad habits
Darien Wright playing with the characters that GO1 plays with isn't going to help fox figure out how GO1 plays
Darien Wright if you're playing at a high level you aren't playing in a way that could be figured out just by playing your characters
Darien Wright only watching or fighting that player is gonna tell you about their play style
If this man was really trying to find out a "weakness" he should start reviewing the footage and look at where he fucked up at instead of playing with the team. Just because you play with a team doesn't mean you can find out it's weakness. That's like playing jin on tekken 7 and you fight a mighty ruler jin and get completely demolished. Just because you know the character doesn't mean you know the player skills with that character.
Sonicfox is suffering from PTSD
wat he learn from batman begins movie
I hate that this game fell for the same team comp as MvC of having to pick at less 2 of tier character if you want to compete. I can’t wait for balance changes
Two Gohans and Picallo
Anyone else's team 18, Kid Buu, and Cell? I'd love to see someone show me a thing or two so I can take them to a "better level"!
By the way... who's pumped for Bardock and Broly today?
You can play the team all you want but it’s not the characters that makes the victories it’s the players themselves. Learning team won’t magically make you learn the player. SonicFox doesn’t stand a chance.
Peter Parker your brain doesn’t stand a chance while reading your horrible English
Peter Parker i lowkey agree. Go1 main thing was his impeccable defense. That shit made it seemed like sonic fox momentum ran into a brick a wall.
I'd argue that he's definitely getting closer. They went 10-7 at El Clasico which is considerably closer than the first time they fought.
lol, the team is strong but it's more Go1 then the team doing the work
What to learn from this team? This is not tekken where you have to learn every character's framesntonget a good grip. The real problem is GO1 being so good in defense then breaking his momentum with vegeta. There is no trick to his team other than him very good at reactions. He almost stopped all dragon rushes fox made. Fox got downloaded twice!
Hah wat a team. Am i One of the few people who play trunks, goku blue and Vegito.
Eyyyy that’s my team I switch Goku b and Vegeta time to time
So is sonicfox using GO1 team or is he fighting someone with that team
Overlay is on the wrong side during the first match.
No, sonicfox solo quiere ver el gamplay y devilidades de el team go1:)
TEKKEN 5 POOLSIDE THO
So he's learning that team huh? He just needs to drop black when he plays him. I'm not sure who he would put in his place though.
Henry Asenime Man his Goku Black is a cut above the rest. But GO1 just has him downloaded. He needs to work on his punish game or just gone ahead and replace Black with Gohan. Fuck it, it's a 3v3. Some characters perform better for certain teams. As for me I Mained Nappa for a while really good with him but his follow ups are kinda trash. So I use Krillin in my team with, Majin Buu, Blue Vegeta. And the flow feels just right imo.
The team is barely the issue, a lot of it has to do the GO knows when and how to counter a lot. His reads, patience and character knowledge is worth more than the team he’s using
Lmao what did he say about vegeta again?
The whole "learning the characters " Ok let's debunked this. You made a tier list prior before this. So judging by that you understood the cast strengths and weaknesses and made your team because of it. I like sonicfox but this feels more if u can't be them join them. If anything I would change is my bad habits or watch past fights and get better.
Prototype12100 debunked failed horribly. I would say try again buuut........
Tha 'Gayle' Can u bring context to it then since its "debunked?
Some characters need nerfs. Adult gohan is one amongst a few. Other characters need small buffs to make them competitive. Not talking major changes. Just something small would help.
Dustin Benoit Frieda needs a crouching heavy in the air
I think if Yamcha did just a bit more damage, he'd be fine. He just feels overwhelming for a round down centered char.
Go'1 is really strong
As long as I don’t see 16.....I’m cool with it. Lol
realTIER what's wrong with 16
David Torres everything. *Kappa*
I, as a 16 main, can tell that 16 is slightly outta the standards. I mean. The armored heavies have reeeeaaaalllly long startups and recovery times soo. Thats not the problem. I guess the problem is 1. His true hard knockdown has a million mindgames to deceive an opponent to secure a combo and its not that difficult to land. 2. That he is not being used as intended. A grappler. He is more of a rushdown , mixup heavy, intense pressure character without almost any zoning tools that is a nightmare after 1 command grab knockdown. He is not a full grappler like broly will. And thanks to that I nearly dont even need to use his other command grab options because the hard knockdown one is all I need. But this are just my experiences and ideas with him. Overall, even if he didnt had that knockdown, his combo potential is insane with almost any assist.
Christian Amaris I’m not reading that 200 word essay but I’ll simply agree. Lol
realTIER 16 is overrated. Watch people start dropping him from "S" Tier on their tier lists in couple months. Remember I said this.
He only needs to drop Goku black..
If u cant beat em join em
I smell nerf
Great, now he'll finally stop playing the most annoying team ever with 16, Hit, and Black.
ResidentSleeper
"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
From what I saw from their Matches sonic fox just isn't as skilled as go1. Fox would rek me . Dudes good af but go1 in some other sht . Even in this clip he's making way to many mistakes go1 would punish
Sonicfox is patheic
lol
Ugh another Cell....
When you realise that you're getting payed for playing video games lmao
The same person that says Vegeta is bottom tier. Bet he’s eating his own words.
boring ,.sooooooooooo many teams with adult gohan+cell+vegeta,.goku black goku goku ssb,.vegeta ssb goku black gohan,.gohan gohan .,goku goku goku black ,.,.copy paste x1938129...then u want to time the fucking teen gohan bombs to continue the combo and u cant ,.,.yeah lets all play gohan gokus and vegetas
if you cant beat em, join em i guess.lol
*you're dumb, because thats exactly what i said. lol
So he stealing that other guy team that beat sonicfox lol
bc moneyandguns no. Atleast use yall heads before jumping to conclusions. He's trying to figure out the team and gain a better understanding so he can counter it with his team.
Chill fanboi. I'm just seeing how it is. U make it seem like I'm bashing him they both good I'm just after the tournament was done and he lost to him soincfox pick the SAME TEAM. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING
U can do that without have to do the same Exact move as your opponent plus they team but I guess I get wat u trying to say. Like I said I'm just seeing it how things look. No shots on sonicfox cuz ik a lot of fanboys gone hate me lol.
But go1 know how to be more Defense of who he fighting I can say that
This is one of the most try hard things I've ever seen. I understand learning a team but man...
Boba Renning he’s just learning them so he can better understand the team
misterperson331 I understand that. It's just so try hard. And besides if it's anything he needs to learn, it's getting around GO1s defense.
Boba Renning Sonic Fox literally makes a living off of this. If he doesn't win then he is homeless.
Why shouldn't he try his hardest when this is his job that puts food on the table?
Boba Renning exactly. Its not like these characters are rare to see at all. He didn't lose because he didn't know the match up he lost because of how good GO1's defense was
Remember when him and GO1 played in grand finals at Final Round? They didn't get there by not trying hard.
Sonicfox fanboys in da house, he will lose again and again and again and go back to lame nrs where he will make his money and u sheep will follow
RagingPasha your taking this a bit to seriously dude stop
Lol where does a comment like this even come from?
Do note that he took out 3 of Japan's top players in this recent tourney, just saying.
He's currently 2nd in the world. I dont consider that losing in the grand scheme.
Kevin Nguyen yes it is, because you fanboys were like: sonicfox the best he dominates every game he plays. And yet here he stands salty trying to redeem himself