Owen Jones DIRE WARNING For Labour After UK Election
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- Krystal and Saagar are joined by Owen Jones to discuss his dire warning for Labour after their victory in the UK elections.
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Labour party doesn’t work for the labor class
Labour certainly didn’t work for the working class under Jeremy Corbyn, it was a party for middle class post graduates on a professional wages who spent their time whining about Palestine and not giving a flying fork about people struggling to make rent or pay for food.
This is what happens when you put billionaires and their friends in charge: total collapse.
The ruling 1% are already in charge, have been for the longest time.
How much is UK's Labor party truly represents the people/working class or serve the wealthy ruling elites and "Labor" is just window dressing name is the question.
How many in this UK's Labor party consist of Socialists, Progressives, Unions, Greens and activists?
How many are there just there to serve the super rich and corporate interests.
Labour should have Starmer step down and bring back Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister. As leader, Corbyn got 12,887,918 votes in 2017, and 10,269,051, in 2019. Starmer only got 9,686,329 in 2024. In the 2024 election, in his constituency, Starmer got 18,884 votes. In 2019, he had 36,641. He had half as many votes this time. Turnout in his constituency was 56,000 in 2019. It was only 38,000 this election. Corbyn beat the Labour candidate in his constituency this election, as an independent, and had 24, 120 votes, over 5000 more than Starmer.
Only for us working class citizens. They run away with all of the money.
@@AdmiralBison what is refreshing Is that the cabinet only has two members that went to public schools.
no it's when billionaires are not loyal to your nation.
So the UK had two unpopular choices. Just that one was more unpopular than the other. Sounds vaguely familiar…
If non-voters were a party, they’d have won every seat
The main reason Labour won in a landslide is that the right wing vote was split between the Tories and Reform and that in Scotland the SNP collapsed. With all that Labour didn’t need to increase its vote.
No, you forget that Prime Minister Boris Johnson gutted the party. When did that you had only one scandal after another. So we seen collapse of the both the Tories and the SNP. That is a more accurate assessment.
The other factor was Tactical Voting, where Labor supporters voted for other parties, primarily the LIb Dems, if they had better chances than Labor to unseat/defeat the Tory candidate. In turn, many Lib Dem and smaller party voters switched to Labor in close run seats to again unseat the Tories. All that said, Labor are the most supportive of election reform and proportional representation. The Tories are likely come on side with proportionality soon, unless they think they can win the Parliament with 34% of the vote themselves.
@paulpeterson4216 Labour say they're in favour of proportional representation, but I guarantee that now they're in power, there will be deafening silence on the issue of electoral reform or indeed on the scrapping/wholesale changes to the House of Lords.
That's not the reason alone! The low turnout means big number of voters didn't vote, and they could've voted reform but refused!!!
would they win if they formed a coalition like in france?
The uniparty system is alive and well in the USA and the UK.
Don't forget about Australia
Free us all from AIPAC’s filthy blood money! 🩸🩸🩸
"Uni-" means one, however both the US and the UK have a two party system.
And Australia!
@@matthewbaynham6286 Think you're missing his point..
"She was outlived by lettuce" -- That reminds me of Rita Rudner's line where she says that a Hollywood marriage is considered a success if it outlives milk. 😆
The problems seem to be very similar in all G7 countries, it’s quite astonishing (Canadian here).
Yep. I think it's further evidence of how much economics affects politics. All these countries signed up to the same broad neoliberal goals, and they're now all facing the results of those stupid policies. Massive inequality, major discontent. Lots of reactionary backlash as people look for what's to blame.
They're all dictatorships of the rich. It's not a coincidence.
Well, it is so cool to see that people can understand each other even if they speak American and British languages.
But none of them speak the King's English.
@@anthonytwohill9726 because only the king is allowed to do that. Well, the Queen and the Queen Mother too, but they left us because they were so young.
Yet people outside The US and The UK understand both. It seems weird that there's issues between the 2 people.
I enjoy this particular comment section.
It's odd that I only ever hear a system is undemocratic from the media when the Republicans win the electoral college without the popular vote or that every state gets 2 senators, but never that a party can increase its vote share from the last election by just 2% but double its seats in the parliament, while the 3rd placed party gets fewer seats than the 4th placed one.
The Brits had a referendum on this issue in 2011 and voted to keep the existing system. Most of the Reform people, who were Tories at that time, were against changing the system.
So you're for direct democracy? Or just coping hard because the Tories lost so badly 🤣
The British are just used to it. Not only that, but BOTH major parties support the status quo because they benefit from it.
The one thing faux democracies fear, is real democracy…
…it’s always about power, and power’s function.
Democracy is a dysfunctional attribute in that regard.
@@Hoots_Maguire if i recall correctly, Labour was campaigning against voting reform in 2011 because it would give UKIP (Reform's previous form) more seats.
These were the vote totals for the new PM Starmer in his local constituency:
Votes received by Keir Starmer in Holborn & St Pancras:
2015: 29,062
2017: 41,343
2019: 36,641
2024: 18,884
Well done ,I think these figures speaks a thousand words ! Our new Labour Prime Minister has managed to halve his vote in less than 6 years ? In his own Constituency ? From 41,343 in 2017 down to 18,884 in 2024 ? This is how unpopular he has become ? Proportional Representation is on the agenda for the Greens and Independent Party.s . Labour will head for the hills. They would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to change electoral reform ? Same applies for the American Administration ! A country with your size of population are given the choice between President Biden and Donald Trump ? That is no choice at all. This is why the turn out is so low in the USA and UK.. People want change real change ! No more AIPAC and Friends of Israel lobbying and buying their way into Power through our electoral systems ? Never Ever Stay Silent ?
Labour should have Starmer step down and bring back Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister. As leader, Corbyn got 12,887,918 votes in 2017, and 10,269,051, in 2019. Starmer only got 9,686,329 in 2024. In the 2024 election, in his constituency, Starmer got 18,884 votes. In 2019, he had 36,641. He had half as many votes this time. Turnout in his constituency was 56,000 in 2019. It was only 38,000 this election. Corbyn beat the Labour candidate in his constituency this election, as an independent, and had 24, 120 votes, over 5000 more than Starmer.
@@stevelang6990 The Zionists and their pals in the media would immediately start screaming that Labour was antisemitic again, because that was the only thing that ever gained traction when attacking Corbyn. If he'd laughed it off like he did everything else Labour might have done a bit better in 2019, although their main problem in that election was Starmer's sabotaging of their Brexit policy.
Is the UK "Labor" party just that in name?
Like the corporate Democratic party in the U. S. is called "Democrat"
It's exactly the same. Ugh.
It is now. When Jeremy Corbyn was leader it was actually a pro-working class left-wing party (for the first time in my lifetime). Starmer and his fellow Blairite vermin deliberately undermined Corbyn for years until he was forced to resign and then Starmer lied to the party membership in order to get elected.
According to the Duran, Tony Blair‘s NGO is supposed to have had a significant hand in selecting who would get what job in the incoming Labour government.
And Peter Mandleson, friend of Jeffrey Epstein (whilst in prison) and ex Blair adviser is now adviser to the leader of the Labour Party.
I really doubt that. Kier Starmer hates Tony Blair
And the Peter Mandelson/Jeffrey Epstein friendship. Mandelson was Blair's advisor and is now Starmer's.
Propaganda channel
@@jamescole322 😂😂😂 nope.
I would like to see Peter Oborne interviewed on this channel
me too!
He pretends to be on the right. It's weird.
He is such an excellent journalist and consistently so. His work on the Iraq war was superb.
@@Jimmy-jy5olhe is a conservative but he is a he is not on the far right he can’t stand the far right
Lettuce not forget !
😂
You can’t call a Labour leader sir and expect anything different. Crazy.
the uk reform party is partially underlooked at...where i live in essex , rayleigh[its a firm conservative area] the reform party almost split the conservative vote
Mark Francois Votes 17,756 {CON}
Grant Randall Votes 12,135 [Reform]
James Hedges Votes 11,823 {Labour]
just a little more effort by reform, and rayleigh could have turned to reform, such was the shift of tory voters to its ranks? :(
This interview definitely bypassed the political and cultural significance of the votes that Reform acquired.
Great--now bring on The Lotus Eaters.
I was thinking the same thing. Presenting jones just as a political pundit and not what he actually is, a communist activist, is dishonest. If they don’t want to push back against him, the at least have a real English conservative on with him
They are far to based Krystal wouldn't allow it
This is a political commentary show for Krystal Ball and her friends Right wing is generally not allowed, they haven't even had Marshall Kosloff on the subject of Israel war.
They pander to thier prejudices. It reminds me of the scene from Yes Minister.
Sir Humphrey: The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices.
Jim Hacker : Don't tell me about the Press. I know *exactly* who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they *ought* to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually *do* run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; The Financial Times is read by people who *own* the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by *another* country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sir Humphrey : Oh, and Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?
Bernard Woolley : Sun readers don't care who runs the country as long as she's got big tits.
Owen Jones’s gloom and doom exaggerations are normally limited to the UK, it’s sad to see it being exported to the US
As a Brit who watches BP all the time great to see Owen on the show .. so good to see people who report the facts and not mainstream media bias views
The Guardian aren't biased mainstream media? Are you joking?
@@JackFromMorley I think he was being ironic
@@JackFromMorley I assume he was referring to Owen personally and not the paper.
@@JackFromMorleyHe’s an independent journalist
@@JackFromMorleyThey are indeed .
Larry the Cat is the most stable member of UK leadership 🇬🇧😹
Labour gained little in terms of vote percentage from the last election apart from in Scotland. In fact they got fewer actual votes. It was the Tories who lost the election & most of those ex tory votes went to Reform
I love when dissident left wingers are brought in to describe what is going on in the left and dissident right wingers are brought in to describe what is going on in the right.
People would have been better off voting for the Monster raving looney party than Labour!
Those who talk about the Left in the UK followwing the general election might be in denial that the country (i.e., the bulk of the electorate) has acttually moved slightly to the right. As a party, Labour moved from centre-left to centre and, in terms of its foreign and security policies, is actually centre-right. Four of the six independents who won did so on a largely sectarian -- Muslim -- vote. It can be said that they are rather socially conservative. (A fifth independent, Corbyn. is of course a true left-winger but he won largely because islington North had become synonymous with him for over four decades) The Lib Dems mainly benefited from Reform UK siphining votes from the Tories in the blue wall. And, in Scotland, the SNP suffered grievious losses mainly because of its transgender rights policies. Apart from the Greens (its four seats), there is really hardly much to talk about the UK left.
That’s where farage is he can stay there , they don’t get anywhere
Depends what you mean by left and right. On economic issues it seems the UK public is still fairly left wing, but on social issues, you’re probably right. Though I’d challenge your argument that the independents who won did so on sectarian/muslim issues. They won because of Gaza, so yes a single issue, but not because of identity politics or socially conservative views.
You need to vet the guest that you have on. This one has a very chequered history
UK politics expert 😅
Joker
Yes and writing for the Guardian says it all. Could not listen to him.
@@johnlesoudeur3653So has Glenn Greenwald
@@johnlesoudeur3653Then that’s where your problem are!
@@csharpe5787 I used to be an avid Guardian advocate until they became a woke propaganda media outlet.
I'm afraid the royal family got themselves the half way house, centrist, they were looking for but it was paramount for them to hide the evidence of their own misdeeds. We are currently living under a policed state at the moment, where two firms have been brought in to block certain peoples exit out of country. I live in a little village in west Devon, called Drewsteignton, in the last six weeks we have had visits from both Richi Sunak and Kier Starmer (very strange when you were in the middle of an election?). We are continually beset and over run with University students, who are flying drones day and night (in star formation) and have had massive influx of cars very often sporting licence plates with either the letters K, J and Z in them. There are so many of these letters on the licence plates, as it has been so often as not to be noticeable. If you could get satellite footage of Drewsteignton (near Exeter), then you would see that this not the ramblings of a madman or troll. My dog and I need passage out of Britain and a chance of a new life in America. Can anyone help us, I'm being sincere? Sorry for my poor writing but after four years of this psychological abuse I'm more than a little stressed.
Apparently to this guy there is only left and hard right
Yep he's a very woke, hardline communist,
Libertarians are extremists in the rest of the world.
@@johndaarteest- such intelligence and wit. He’s a woke communist? Way to add to the discussion
No he is correct. Owen Jones would probably accept the label.
@@marlonharewood8366 no he definitely would not, idiotic at best.
Once the euphoria of winning wears off the various parts of the labour party will continue their long standing feuds with each other.
Next referendum - Proportional representation.
Great guest big fan here
Love Owen Jones! ☮️
The best and most impassioned on Palestine Israhell.
get novara on too
I usually watch at 2x speed. With this dude, I had to watch at 1.5 speed
Very good reporting! Also on France. Your guests are awesome like Owen Jones ❤.
In terms of grassroots media, Owen has done the most to shed light on the genocide in Palestine
But complete disinformation about Ukraine.
@N11RVL89 : No, he is obsessed and addicted to bashing Israel. 😒
His bias and one-sidedness only polarises and does nothing to bring the sides together. 🤯
Shed A light, perhaps. But a True, unbalanced light? Not at all!
@JayRRR-dc6ov Is that an affirmation, a statement, or a demand? 🤔
It's not exactly Northern-Ireland-speak. 🙃
What genocide in Gaza?
HA HA HA HA HA HA 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Best laugh in a LONG time!!! 😅
What about British farming? Clarkson's farm has made me oddly interested in this.
with Starmer we have an Oligarchy.
Just to make the point, the Tory government became so hated that it went from just under 14m votes in 2019 to just under 7m in 2024. This is, I believe a record loss for the UK (where usually in recent times about 30m vote in total).
Great video. Really cool.tha you're giving insight into UK and other country politics too. Cheers
The “dire warning” is for ALL the British political class. Their appalling, chronic, unchecked corruption will lead to dire consequences.
The British rejected Australian style preferential voting in 2011 that would have prevented this sort of unfairness. If I remember correctly, Conservatives campaigned against it.
Australian governments generally receive more than 50% of the two party preferred vote. Very occasionally a government wins with 48 or 49%.
Plus the Senate is proportional. And Tasmania and the ACT use Hare-Clark and other state upper houses use other variations of proportional/preferential voting. Australia is a real smorgasbord of more democratic electoral systems.
The Alternative Vote system is not proportional and can even occasionally be even less democratic than First Past The Post. We need something like Single Transferable Vote or MMP like New Zealand uses.
"UK politics expert"
Ffs ... Do a bit more research Saagar.
Owen Jones has been amazing on Gaza
Nice to see Owen make an appearance here
The only opinions I trust on UK politics are over at the podcast of the lotus eaters.
Writes opinions at The Guardian? Get tf outta here
Reform UK isn't hard right, it's centre -right. By American standards it's totally centre, very liberal economically
Labour leadership is a funny one 🤷♂️
Glad to see Owen on BP. I have been following him for some time.
Great to see Owen Jones. Wonderful having independent journalists from around the world in one show
lol.
Very pleased to see Owen Jones on here. I've enjoyed his analysis for a couple years now.
Owen is fabulous! Awesome that you have brought him in to share his opinion and knowledge.
One of my favourite TH-cam channels, Breaking Point, interviewing one of my other favourite TH-camrs ,Owen Jones ❤
Love Owen Jones!
Good to see Owen on here!
Owen Jones on Breaking Points! w00t! Just a month after being on Majority Report!
Owen Jones is a good egg! ❤
2 things will happen immediately in Britain after Labour party govt:
1) They will substantially increase the public spending. This will give relief in the short run but will increase debt that UK will never be able to pay
2) Security situation will seriously deteriorate in Britain. Labour party cannot do much against illegal immigrants. They cant deport them and risk loosing their base. After anti-Israel rallies in Britain, hardcore Islamists have made a come back and also "moderate" have taken very strict position. Situation was bad in UK not just for Jews but also for Hindus especially after the riots against Hindu temples in Leicester and Birmingham. Labour will not be able to tackle this sitution as well.
At least Labour will get growth, something the Tories never could!
@@csharpe5787 short term, yes. Put enough money in people hand there will be growth. But in 10years, debt owed by Brits per person will double than current state.
The UK has fallen so far from their proud empire.
No Empires last forever
@@AM2K2Only Israel. 🕎
Imperialism is such a bad system that it turned inwards...
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 We will see... not looking so good lately. I give it 25 years, max.
@@raybcross1 Well the names of the Tribes of Israel are engraved on the famous Gates of Peal in heaven according to the last book of the Bible, so I'd give it more than 25 years, how about eternity. Israel was a kingdom when London was only a marsh. Israel will survive for sure. 🕎
The Uni-Party ? This is the Uni-Channel.!
FYI....Owen's Gaza coverage has been top notch
Get George Galloway if you want to know what is going on in the UK.
Was he elected?
I’ve only ever seen that man talk about Israel Palestine
@@dday881 That has been his focus of late given the magnitude of death taking place in front of everyone's eye. His appearance in front of the US congress is worth a watch. He gives them a brilliant talking to.
th-cam.com/video/_dD48d-yjxc/w-d-xo.html
@@charisma-hornum-fries He lost by 1500 votes. A result that doesn't make sense since just weeks ago he won with more votes than all other parties combined and somehow received fewer votes in the general election than in the by-election. He has filled a lawsuit regarding these irregularities.
Both countries have a common denominator which explains their political dysfunction. First past the post elections. Both countries need PR. Proportional representation.
The Labour and Conservative parties are the two biggest establishment parties in the UK.
What this election has shown most clearly is that voters are deserting them both as never before.
At least there are alternative parties in the UK; it's not a two-party stitch-up like in the USA.
Globalisation globalise the mess. 🙄🥴 messy here, messy there, messy messy everywhere.
3 people who are on the right side of history
Love Owen
In essence "If you thought Tories were running. $#itshow, hold your beer" -KS
Who?
Love Owen! Great choice!
This feels like Voltron forming. More Owen, please.
Im really proud of Owen, he used to be a little lefty mouth piece just shilling for what ever grotesque leader got power, in the past 20 years hes grown into a real independent thinker and a grass roots hero of the true left in the north west, im happy to agree with a lot of what he says now as it would seem hes giving it real analytical thought instead of just reading liberal talking points from cue cards.
Why have you got this angry man on
Scraping the barrel here... 🙄 🛢
Love Owen Jones! Please have him on more! ☮️
Nooooooooo
Mm the lowest voters total to go out and vote, so wasn’t the conservatives doing nothing about immigration and people were fed up of crumbling infrastructure BUT are the opposition any better as immigration isn’t the top of their list is it?
This was about a splintering of the majority not about Labour
Wow you could literally be talking about American politics there are so many parallels. Nobody voted labor in.
they just voted Torries out
I like how Owen conveniently fails to mention voter repudiation at the Tories’ Covid lockdown policies.
Owen Jones is a highlight to my daily feed. 👏
Blimey 😂
Blimey 😂
Unfortunately the UK exported its transphobia politics to the US. Was going on here first. In 2013 the UK newsmedia hounded a trans woman to suicide for daring to come out as trans whilst being a teacher. But you can find a lot of transphobic news articles in the many years before this. The US jumped on the transphobia train when your gay marriage laws passed and the right needed something else to attack. The uk already had this anti trans hate politics going ready to adopt.
Even most Brits don’t realise this and they think we adopted it from America about two years ago but all you have to do is google it and the evidence is there. The BBC has a hateful gender critical news article on their website dated back to 2007. It’s been going on for years and years.
I blame Stonewall.
A lot of IDF paid bots in the comments
Hey, Owen
Owen Jones is brilliant on Palestine but awful on Ukraine proxy war.
Wasn't his plan on day 1 to release 40,000 prisoners and reduce prison sentences by half??? Gee....sounds like a Democrat here in the US
Ut et it oot et ooo ewe et ut. That’s all I hear when listening to someone from England.
Poor Owen is grizzling that Labour won a big majority and are getting on with making things better.
Owen Jones is a bitter cultist
Boring Owen.
Owen Jones is a weirdo
People whining about the system are so annoying. Our electoral systems are there for a reason, so that REGIONS with less population have a way too. Otherwise, a few big cities decide everything, and high all the foolishness we know comes from silly city folk.
Reminder that hes a Corbynite
Lovely isn't it? He's a great Corbyn supporter as are so many in the UK. Remember the Labour vote share is only 1.7% higher than under Corbyn.
If only
@@Hoots_Maguire AND significantly below Corbyn in 2017
Corbyn was crushed in the most recent UK election, in 2019
@@Hoots_Maguire yeah mate literally no one outside of Islington North and the Saturday flag wavers consider Corbyn as a serious politician.
Bro is so handsomeee I cant
This tool ??
The left has a big toolshed.
Sad that the UK has fallen into the far last category
What does "far last" mean? I've never heard that term before?
@@adamsmith2564 I'm assuming that's a typo and he meant "far left", which shows he doesn't know a single one of Starmer and co's policies. Probably just saw "Labour" and thought "commies" 😐
@@JohnnyMac95 probably an American who "knows loads about nowt." 🙄.. since I wasted my votes on the Lib Dem’s.. am no better 😂😂
Not a democrat, and it was supposed to say the far left.
People on here basically whining that this wasn’t liberal/fascist enough for them.
Your remarks says more about your self, look within.
omg Jones on BP! He's my second favourite gay!
Are you having a comedy show?? Owen Jones is not an expert on anything. 10 ‘misunderstandings’ in the first few minutes! He has a few points but they are the obvious ones.
UK Politics Expert lol Just a rich kid full of Fantasy Ideas which will never work a Champagne Communist ! Known as Little Owen the man boy. Out of touch with real people.
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