I followed the conversation and I would like to add two significant pieces to the psychological profile. 1. The accussed may have had issues with cPTSD he experienced his mother go through intense physical pain and had a helplessness response in terms of not being able to assist her crying at night (see internet published writings), 2. Lyme disease causes neurological difficulties and subsymptoms he experienced and depression cycle that is intense.
I believe that people who see this as justified in relation to the healthcare and health insurance industries have not addressed the significance of the fact that Luigi’s pain is not due to a claim denied. Access to care, both physical and mental, is not the primary issue for the child of an extremely wealthy family. Claiming to do this for The American People is a chaff and redirect. He didn’t address the problem with brutal honesty; he addressed it only with brutality. I may feel even more compassion and empathy for Mangione than I do for Thompson-not more than for Thompson’s children, however. I am heartbroken for Luigi’s family, too. Heartbreak is the only guaranteed outcome of this situation. And Luigi’s acts may even have been inevitable. But no matter what else comes of them, they were not and are not justified.
@@DeweyLovesDuckies so because he's wealthy, he can't see the failures of the system or be outraged on other folk's behalf? He resorted to violence but there is an argument to be made that the whole insurance situation is white collar violence on a much larger scale. And violence begets violence.
@@DeweyLovesDuckies Boy bye 👋 🤣 writing a book in the comments is not gonna convince me to care about the death of a CEO . Considering they get paid not to care for folks like myself the poor 😕 🤔
I was diagnosed at 37 with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. No one believed me that something was wrong when i first started dislocating at 14 until I finally got a real diagnosis. I was told it was all in my head for most of my life. Medical PTSD is a real thing. It's so damaging when no one believes you. I have had chronic pain since my early 20's and knowing i will have pain everyday of the rest of my life definitely causes anxiety and depression.
Zebra here too. Yet insurance doesn’t want to cover the kinds of things that might help us (like Prolotherapy, massage, or Pilates) versus what could actively cause us harm (like surgery).
I haven't listened to the full video yet so forgive me if you get more into this later, but I did wanna say something about the term psychosomatic. I worked as an RN on a neurosurgery floor for about a decade, and I felt like the term psychosomatic was thrown around a lot when people had chronic pain that were not getting relief and they were just blown off as being drug seeker. I know that psychosomatic symptoms can be a real thing, but I think it's a term that should be used with caution because even if something is psychosomatic, it's still real for the person experiencing it and I think that's a very important distinction. I am extremely photo sensitive, and when I am out in the sun, I see sparkles pretty much the entire time. I would hate for somebody to say that my seeing these flashing lights was psychosomatic because it's very much real and I don't feel that anything I'm doing is causing it. So I think that's just an important distinction to make sure people know that regardless of if something in your mental health is causing a physical symptom, that physical symptom is still very much something that the person is actually experiencing. I think a lot of people hear psychosomatic and they think that you're causing it with your mental problems and that you have control over it and that you're not experiencing it genuinely because it's coming from a mental health issue. I don't know if I'm making sense but I hope I am. I just think when doctors can't figure out what's going on with somebody often time psychosomatic is where they land because they can't find a physical reason for their symptoms and sometimes it's not always the case, it's that they've missed something but then the person gets boxed into being mentally ill when in fact, there are times where they actually have a physical problem.
You make perfect sense and have intelligently stated how the term psychosomatic should not be thrown around or applied in this day and age. Nor should it be interchanged with “hypochondria”. Or relegating a syndrome of complaints to “mental health issues” which John intermittently states with a nervous giggle!
Doctors who can't stand to think they can't figure something out dismiss the patient and say it's all in their head. It's SO common. I have friends with chronic pain but one in particular has had every test under the sun and since they can't figure out why this and that new debilitating pain is there, they wave it away as not existing. And she's not even asking for pain meds because she hates how they feel. She's just trying to not unalive herself by having someone find the cause and fix it. It's been very touch and go, but you can't live with level 8 pain everyday and not lose it.
My brother had this exact diagnosis. It easily could have paralyzed him when his back broke. His teacher didn't believe him and called him a liar and attention seeking too. He had emergency surgery and was in a body cast for 4 months. He grew and needed it adjusted. It was torture for him. This is not psychosomatic.
I’ll tell ya what - no matter how we got here, what his motives were or the rage… This man single handedly has everyone talking about something we need to be talking about. Healthcare in this country is a scam and we are being screwed.
Google "Steward Health Care". That is for profit health "care" as distinct from insurance. And the many comments to the articles in the "Boston Globe" are 100 per cent unanimous about the problems in the system. And those articles often link to "The American Prospect". Those are a quick way to bone up on the issues, which many have already been talking about.
At the beginning of the series "Dopesick" (about the Sackler family), there is a conversation that takes place that explains what pain does to a person. "When we live with pain, we are not living our true selves. We're not living our best selves. We're not even living at all, because the pain overtakes our ability to think & feel. Even to love." I'd never heard it out loud, in that way, and it felt like my heart stopped for a moment as I let that sink in.
I completely understand this. I've been in pain for 19 years and it's really hard to be present in life . Thank you for this message it could help someone who is dealing with pain or someone loved one who is dealing with it! Awareness and lots of therapy is helpful for me.
I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes when somebody puts words to a thought you’ve had many times it’s startling and almost makes you wonder if somehow they’re interfacing directly with your mind.
I watched that exact sentiment play out with a loved one, someone who was an icon of my life. Pain destroyed her all the way to her grave. It was terrible to watch, and yes, health 'care' was involved there as well.
Your comment makes me want to watch "Dopesick". I have to wonder if there's a connection between the insurance conglomerates, the opioid crisis and the chronic pain and suffering that's brought us all to this moment of mass outrage.
Unrelenting pain can break anyone. Untold millions have self exited due to pain. The lack of empathy for those who suffer is heartbreaking. We are seen as drug seekers and hypochondriacs.
I've lived with chronic pain the past 30 plus years. I do get it. I also get the mental toll it can take on you and your loved ones. Guess what? Murdering someone because I'm the lucky one to be in terrible pain a great deal of the time does not change anything but ruin a bunch of innocent peoples lives. It is just life and I can wallow in self pity because I'm in pain and cannot find any relief, or I can educate myself on what options I have, what science is being researched that may help if it is developed and then proceed to work and enjoy my life as best I can. I can sit home and be in pain, or I can live and be in pain. Those are my choices and what I get to choose from. No amount of anger or rage is going to change that basic choice. Murdering someone doesn't change that basic fact. To use that to justify murder is asinine.
@NewyorkkittykatT.N.R CEOs who increase premiums while denying care, are being exposed. Salarys, Inside-Trading, etc of billions kept a secret in their systems. Mental health of citizens depends on care.
I'm not really sure what people think but he didn't have no grievances or denied claims from United or any connections to them at all far as I know. Him dealing with chronic pain you'd have to ask why did his the surgery not help? His post's said it did in one.. did pain meds not help and why not if so. Regardless why go kill a CEO of a health insurance company.i dunno seems like he expected to be caught and knew the mental health aspect would be in his favor. The family tho should be able to answer all of it imo.
@dlbodkins Those screws look painful in the x-ray. Maybe he thought wow if he has all that money and privileged" and still he got F over with this surgery image. What regular ppl must be going through. I'm sure he did his research bf he offed the CEO, Missed placed anger for sure, though
Quote from Qasim Rashid, Esq: " The social fabric of society did not suddenly break when an assailant killed the UnitedHealth CEO-an assailant killed the UnitedHealth CEO because the social fabric of society is broken."
Since I can't write comments for some reason, I'm going to ask @HiddenTruCrime has Dr. John read the 19th-century German novella _Michael Kohlhaas_? It's up his alley and I think perhaps the most relevant text to this case. (It's plot is summed up by the Rashid quote.)
I'd like to know why the killing of a man who is responsible for, at the very least, hundreds of thousands of deaths, is considered radical. Seems pretty sensible to me.
Are you an MD? He had spondylolisthesis. It can be genetic. It can cause paralysis. It can cause incontinence and sexual dysfunction. It’s not a somatization of a coping or mood problem, but it sure as hell could cause it.
Just to be clear, you keep saying Luigi had grievances against the health care industry. That’s incorrect. His grievances were with the insurance industry, specifically health insurance. Big difference!
Y'all need to start referring to these companies as financial institutions, not medical or health care. If you all refuse to label them as healthcare, they will cease to be known as healthcare. Baby steps can make a big difference in the end.
The conflation of the two is part of the reason we are at this point: People expect to receive care from health insurance companies, but they are not in the business of providing healthcare; they are in the business of managing risk. They assume some of the financial risk associated with our healthcare needs, and then try to minimize their exposure to that risk. They don’t care if we are sick or in pain; that’s not their job.
I had Cervical Myelopathy in my neck. It affected everything from my neck down. Over a year and a half I went from joggin 5km a few times a week to crawling from my bed to the toilet and back. I couldn't look after myself or my children or work. I had a host of other symptoms including brain fog, loss of feeling all over my body, piercing headaches, deep depression. I had loss of strength in all of my limbs, uncontrollable tremors and was loosing my voice and my hair, it was devastating my life. I was finally referred to a neurologist, who admitted me to my local hospital immediately where I was diagnosed and told if I didnt have the operation, I would be in a wheelchair within two years and would continue to decline. I was operated on two weeks later. I felt the difference from the moment I woke up from the operation. I am making a good recovery now and Im back at work, contributing to society again and living my life. The cost of my treatment to me? ZERO. Healtchare should never be privatised. Its not a business its a human right.
@@redrose41000 Thank you. ❤️ I'm truly grateful for the surgical and medical team that looked after me. They saved my life. I live in The Republic of Ireland. I don't have a plan. Health insurance is too expensive for most here. We have a good public system here. Its a bit slow to get into but once your in its amazing. We pay tax and pay related social insurance out of our pay cheque to fund it, maternity & paternity care and leave, sick pay when your off work and some dental services. Even if you don't work you still get access to medical service through what's called the medical card system.
I would love for you to cover the psychological state of a Healthcare CEO, who reports making 10 Million /yr while denying medical coverage for those who pay their premiums. It's also worth noting that this individual also has an ongoing legal case for insider trading using a Floridan Firefighter Pension Fund.
@@truffles2721 It certainly points to an untreated personality disorder. At a minimum it's a conflict of interest for healthcare. It's wild that the general public is so confused by this.
I’ve had five back surgeries in the last four years, including two lumbar fusions. My neurosurgeon caused my current debilitating pain for my first fusion that was never there before. Good luck getting them to take any accountability, and you have no foot to stand on legally. I’m so sick of hearing people dismissing his medical issues, saying that he looks so fit, he couldn’t possibly have that bad of back issues , or he doesn’t look like someone with debilitating pain. I hear from random people all the time that I don’t look like someone who is sick or with debilitating pain. There’s no possible way to even start “speculating” about whether all of his physical pain is legitimate. I’m not supporting him one bit, but that’s going way over the line.
@@SarahAllenHumboldt yes I think anyone who struggles with chronic illness and chronic medical gaslighting will be. How familiar, that gesture of a medical professional looking at a set of symptoms that can't be made to "go away" by surgery or pharmaceuticals, and concluding that the patient there fore must have a mental illness. How many times can someone with and untreatable chronic illness be subject to that gesture, without becoming engulfed in rage.
So sorry you're experiencing this! I have a brother who has also had multiple surgeries. Seems like his whole back is metal now. Thanks for your input. I hear you!
Not that he should be shot, but Brian Thompson was not just blameless cog. He was running that he was running the most profitable company that denies higher percent of claims than any other. He was making more millions than he could spend in many lifetimes yet still was seeking out more based on the insider trading charges.
He was investigated abd he had a right to trial, presumption of innocence and due process. Rights that was robbed of him. If he did illegal things, then he should have been proven guilty in the court of law, paid the price set by law and given the right to atone. But this can no longer happen, because a random 26 person decided to gun him down. What if someone decides to gun your loved ones down because I don't know, let's they eat meat and that hurts humanity as a whole? Who gave them that right? None of us have the right to play jury, judge, prosecution and executioner all in one with no opposition just like that.
He did not have any relationship with the murderer. But let's blame the victim -- "She asked for it by the way she was dressed." _____ From "A Man for All Seasons": In the following, Roper was Thomas More's hot-headed and impulsive son-in-law-- Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law! More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that! More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you -- where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws, from coast to coast -- man's laws, not God's -- and if you cut them down -- and you're just the man to do it -- do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.
Is the clerk on record somewhere that you could point out? It would be good to hear directly from her. He is a handsome guy, so, I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable to wonder if he was maybe flirting with her?
..yet he wasn't smiling on the drivers license. New Jersey: Residents have not been allowed to show their teeth in driver's license photos since 2012. Driver's license photos typically require a neutral expression. A broad smile can distort your facial features, making it harder to identify you. (Google is my friend)
I totally understand. I suffered from chronic unremitting migraine headaches for 40 years. I was fortunate enough to have access to pain specialists. Before opioids I was a crazy person , unable to function because of the depression caused by pain. My cognition and behavior was greatly impaired until the pain was treated. Pain can make you crazy.
Yes Opioids do relieve migraines. 25 years of opioids treating my severe daily, 24/7 severe pain, I attest to opioids relieving chronic pain. Finally recent drug totally prevented all migraines. Amazingly when the pain stopped I stopped l stopped all opioids cold turkey with NO WITHDRAWAL! The opioids prescribed on a schedule were morphine, fentanyl and OxyContin prescribed by pain specialists for 20+ years. My sanity was preserved by treating the unremitting pain. Your first step would be to find a pain specialist who is prescribes opioids. Then obtain a referral to that physician. Don’t be confused by ‘doctors’ such as chiropractors and alternative medical providers claiming to be specialists who legally treat pain with opioids. They do exist. I’vs been prescribed. Opioids in 4 states. Good luck.
Oh, the drug class that prevented all my migraines was the class was CGRP inhibitors. There are several of them including Ajovy and Emgality. Ask your current provider about this recent class of drug.
@@NYCFordo doctors like to demonize opioids because a lot of people have had addiction problems so I believe that they try to claim they don't work on certain types of pain, but in reality it varies from person to person. I have definitely had a migraine where I've taken an opioid and it's completely resolved it. I just take them very sparingly and only get migraines about once every two months. I think sometimes they're worried about the person taking them every day several times a day and become independent so they tell people that they don't work on certain types of pain. If you think of the way opioids work in the body, technically, they should have some effect on all types of pain. They are likely more effective on some types of pain than others, but I don't think a doctor can just flat out. Say they don't help with certain types of pain. I know doctors do say that, but I think their motives are saying that stem from addiction and the stigma associated with addiction and they are very afraid to prescribe these meds now.
I had a serious knee injury and I was "terrified" that I would never be able to ride a bike again and be as active as I was before. I believe that people need to become more educated as to what chronic back pain can do to someone. Some have even committed suicide due to it.
Praying for your relief. It’s unbelievable how these creators censor themselves for monetary reasons. They won’t even use a word like K I’ll because they’re afraid to lose money. They are privileged to sit here and call this an ideological issue instead of recognizing that it’s an actual issue
Thank you! 100% This Dr. seems to dismiss chronic pain as all in our heads, hypochondria and not real physical problems. It's utterly insulting and NOT psychosomatic at all!
People only know what they know. My dad was talking about chronic pain and no help causing people to unalienable themselves in the 1980s and I didn't understand it. Now that I've acquired about 40 years of history, I know what he was saying.
Electric bike is so easy , the brain fog can be eye herpectic virus, 🦠, there is no connection between kohberger and Luigi, and there is no correlation between alleged Idaho kohberger, kobergher denies and there is zero proof, Luigi is crippled and admitted and left many clues , 🕵️
Certainly don’t “ codone” murder but understand the ‘why,’. Also one comment was “ he looks fine”. People with chronic pain may look ok but unless you’ve experienced disabling pain you have no right to judge
What is sad to me is the fact that this young man sacrificed his freedom to start a conversation about the greed and corruption that is American health care.
Maybe he could have done so without killing someone. He was smart enough, had the means, the connections, the clout. He chose to kill someone else for it. It was a decision he made while he had options galore to make a difference without murder. Way more options then most people in the US. He chose not to use them.
@@imolalajos8724 Many smart people with means and clout have tried to change the health care system in the US over the last half century. Nothing happens.
So well said. A lot of awful things have started important conversations. Although I’m NOT comparing the defendants, but Betty Broderick comes to mind: she murdered her ex and his 22 yr old mistress who became the new wife. Put a focus on how men were replacing the housewives as they aged with a new model and crushing them in the divorce.
Any type of back pain is depressing. I have had chronic back pain for over 20 years. There were days, months, and years that the pain was so debilitating. I couldn't get out of bed. I ended up crawling to get my baby out of her crib, and then it took every mental and physical ounce of strength I could muster to care for her. Medications didn't help, 9 inch needles poking my back didn't help. I wanted to die. It affected so many areas of my life. I felt extremely hopeless, desperate, angry... Why me?! My insurance never denied my treatments, Thank God! I was very lucky. What Luigi did was wrong. I think he was moved to become mentally unstable, crazy from the pain, stress, frustration, hopelessness, anger and sadness that his life will be a continuous struggle . Not getting the support, counseling he needed during all that time is what really could have helped him deal with this instead of falling off the deep end.
The impirtance of physical therapy and rehab can't be ignored and would prevent many back surgeries. Unfortunately some insurances don't pay well for pt.
@@judimoore1678 just awful, to here you experience this in the US. Unfortunately in AUS our medical system, that used to be entirely free, is becoming more and more American-ised. It's terrible.
@@MaidenBklyn THANK YOU. I stopped listening after their fixation on visual snow commonality. They sound like grasping at straws playing pretend psychiatrists. These two have zero experience of chronic pain and definitely have zero critical thinking ability regarding late stage capitalism and oligarchy. I don't think they're equipped to analyze Luigi.
Chronic back pain is no joke. It changes everything and every time I go in to see if there’s anything that can be done I spent my max out of pocket (6k) and come out with more pain and debt. Given up on trying to fix it and just figuring out ways to live with it.
This situation absolutely does not justify murder (nothing does). We can’t have that in a functioning society. BUT this does not mean that this unfortunate situation is not emphasizing the problems with our healthcare system. In many ways, Luigi’s actions have transformed into a loudspeaker for millions of frustrated Americans. And THAT is not necessarily a bad thing.
Saying murder is not condoned ‘but’ Mangioni’s actions are creating a discussion and that’s not a bad thing - that is giving him a pass for killing another person…….
Always love your analysis of many of the cases you have covered. In this instance I've been a little "irked". I can say as a long term sufferer of chronic illness due to trauma starting in childhood both physical and psycological, neglect and abandonment from those who were supposed to protect you, to making bad choices due to low self-esteem and marrying a narcissistic sociopath who simply amplified to the "n"th degree that I thought I had suffered, to witnessing the mental health effects on my children and my health deteriorating as I tried to take care of both my parents until they died at 87 and 85....until I was absolutely broken in every way possible. My treatment within the health system came down to having the label attached to me of having somatic and "conversion" (whatever the heck that is??) symptoms. Not symptoms related to having a severe skin condition from birth, being sexually abused as a child, being emotionally rejected by a narcissistic mother, by being beaten to a pulp and psychologically tortured by a narcissistic sociopath husband and still trying to do the right thing by my parents despite having other siblings who did nothing but were looked upon as being way superior in status to me....etc etc etc. Did CPTSD ever come into anyone's horizon of understand when treating me medically and psychologically. I've found time and time again that people with complex presentations of symptoms are "labelled" so easily with "hypochromic" or having psycho-somatic symptoms. I've been hurt and in fact harmed by the medical profession by their dismissal of my symptoms which I live with on a daily basis and the medications that have been prescribed throughout the years and caused much more physical problems than the original medical conditions. So I'm disappointed at your analysis in this instance. There is no excuse for murder but there are instances were you might be driven to despair and if pushed into a corner without seeing any way out or of the offer of any help with improving your situation, some people might just " lose it". Those that can keep it together have my deepest respect and those that can't have my deepest empathy. ♥️
Apparently in some of his notes, he decided not to use a bomb because it would hurt innocent people, he chose this particular CEO instead as he was a symbol.
@@mtaylor7307 I don't know if that's true; he made more than 10 million a year just in salary, but the point is that UHC is the richest with the highest rate of denials. That's what made them the target.
@@raincadeify My point was the UHC is one of the most profitable companies in the world and they pay their CEO less than what other less profitable insurance companies pay their CEOs.
@@mtaylor7307 I see. Just another example of what money grubbers the company is. I kinda thought that when I saw the reward they were offering was only $10 thousand, lol.
Thank you! I suffer with it and get so frustrated by the lack of advocacy and knowledge around the way it can impact the brain and pain. It's not ever as simple as people think it is.
Sadly, this whole analysis is inaccurate to the facts, and unsupported in its interpretation of hypochondriasis. It leaves me wondering what his training is and how he can seem naive to so many medical diagnoses.
It sounds like ankylosing spondylitis or another spondyloarthopathy to me. And I can say it is systemic, debilitating, and destroys your mental health. The grief and despair from the symptoms esp with no clear diagnosis for a long time. It is not psychosomatic. It is just not adequately diagnosed and acknowledged for the systemic symptoms It has
Sorry, but I thought this analysis was way off or maybe just too simplistic. I think it disregarded this guy’s deep study and commitment (leaving out moral judgement for a moment) and intelligence, which can be difficult to understand ala Ted Kaczynski, also highly intelligent but disturbed, whose writings he read. I’m sure his own issues played a role but his feelings over what he saw his mother go through weren’t even mentioned. I think he felt hopeless and decided that making a statement albeit via the wrong method was a way to make his own life meaningful and possibly to help others which no one seems to think is a thing anymore. But when you live in pain your empathy for others in pain grows substantially. And in that way he succeeded by turning the country upside down and forcing these discussions.
Adding that I think there is a deep hopelessness regardless of financial status of the youth of today. Many in this age range came into the 9-11 world.
I agree, and if his own writing is to be believe his mother’s intense suffering impacted him significantly I’m sure that contributes here. I think on this case Dr John wanted to tether this to one thing and I don’t think it’s just that.
That manifesto talking about his mom was proven to be a fake. Apparently, the entire narrative concerning his mom and her supposed health struggles were entirely fabricated.
The devistating life of living with severe chronic pain❤ It is difficult or impossible to consentrate. Will affect your studies, when sitting still and lying in bed it is impossible to distract from it, so you don't sleep or get the rest you need. All your energy is spend handling your pain, so you are always tired. Pain can make you desperate, unfocused, depressed and limits your life.
The conditions incarcerated this young man will experience will be worse than any be has had in his life. He knew he would be facing this. How will his mental health hold under this increased strain?
John is saying the public is glorifying Luigi as a mentally fit guy. I would disagree, I think most people see him as someone who has some serious issues. Luigi is fascinating because he is very physically fit, good-looking, and wealthy. As you know, looks always count and also because so many people have stories about being denied medicine or other treatment, almost everyone can feel the anger he had with the healthcare system.
What evidence is there that he "has some serious issues." I assume you'll say his act which I can't name here. As long as he claims that act is politically motivated, I think it's important to consider what that means.
My neighbor has back problems now. Went from hunting, building houses and being active to not being able to get his own mail. He sits in his house all day. And while I hear surprise in your voice at his age with back issues… most of my friends have been sick or passed by that age. Cancer, PoTS, lymes… all in early 20s. It’s not uncommon at all
Since corporations have purchased hospitals and are for profit; Healthcare has greatly changed in this country. It is no longer about the patient, but has become the money
Politicians are in the pockets of these large corporations. The lobbyists ensure that. Greed exists. And there lies the real problem. It is society's core problem condition.
I don’t like the dismissal of the physical health problems of this person. There are many conditions that can affect a young person. And cause chronic pain. And many young people who are misdiagnosed or not diagnosed by inept physicians suffer and are called hypochondriacs. That is the answer many times when an a person doesn’t fit the most common diagnoses. Look up Ehlers Danlos syndrome. There are many different degrees of effect on people- sometimes in medicine- it can be a zebra
I'm from England,and the more i hear ,about this guy,the more i am on his side.Sorry,yes i know what he did was very wrong,but i am sick and tired of hearing how people with a lot of money,treat the one's who don't.Not all,i know,but a vast proportion 😒
@@normarojo5834 and he cares deeply about the welfare of others. Can you imagine someone caring about others? It's so refreshing, that's why he's garnered support.
Luigi has to pay for his crime. But he still has my sympathy because I understand that pain causes depression, and even suicidal thoughts. People can’t see pain. I have severe degenerative disc disease, must take pain killers to function just with daily menial tasks. I live in Canada, retired after working 55 years and have an extended health care plan thank goodness. Each day becomes a struggle. Luigi just couldn’t handle it. I think Dr. John explains it quite well. Very sad all the way around.
I would like to add that the people have to change the present health care system through legal means. I find it disgusting that CEOs make millions yearly off the backs of ill clients. Brian Thompson was not the only one, some CEOs in health insurance make 20 million plus a year.
@@darlenevoigt1457 I agree with you. You don't have to make millions of dollars to have a very comfortable life. i really hope that if something good can come out of this tragedy that the Health care system in America would be better for us.
@@darlenevoigt1457 It's not in the people's hands. Both major political parties in the US are bought out by the health insurance industry. The people have been trying through legal means for half a century. It's impossible.
He's not explaining "it" correctly if he's saying spondylolisthesis is psychosomatic. That's gaslighting. I have degenerative dis disease too. Luckily my doctor did an ex-ray instead of sending me to "Dr" John.
I worked for UHC as an RN case manager. It was the worst job I ever had. My supervisors were incompetent. The corporate bosses were so out of touch with the staff and the patients. It was the most demoralizing job I’ve ever had. I will never recommend UHC as a health insurance company or as a company to work for.
John saying, "It's not fair, it's not just, I don't have an answer on how to change that" actually points to why Luigi did. He's saying yeah many have illuminated these problems for a long time and the problem remains, so . . . he tried something no one had yet. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just saying I think he did the only thing he felt he could do that might have any effect. I heard a quote -- not sure who originally said it though -- that one man's terr0rist is another man's freedom fighter. I don't like that we have wars, but wars happen when one side wants freedom from the oppressed and asking them for it doesn't work.
Respectfully, I have not heard or seen one single person “glorify” Mangione or treat him like a “hero”. I’ve seen plenty of people commiserate with the indignity and wretchedness he suffered at the hands of the medical insurance companies- both his own experiences and his mother’s. I’ve seen people angry at the daily degradations and contemptuous mistreatment they themselves have endured- sometimes for years- who are REMINDED of these things by Mangione and his actions. And I’ve seen people who refuse to condemn him to hell for all eternity, despite his crime, because they perceive the death/profound suffering of their loved ones resulting from a millionaire’s policy of denying them treatment to be a reciprocal crime of equal magnitude. None of these things are “glorifying” him or his violence.
From what I’ve seen online, people glorifying him and hailing him as a hero of the working class, they see him more of a dark antihero, such as Batman, not a perfect Western hero. Like Batman…from a rich family but perhaps a bit (a lot) troubled but has lofty ideals and partakes in vigilante justice. Interesting reflection of our current society’s issues for sure
And people saw him that way before ever seeing the picture of "his abs" or even his full face. That element was unexpected but certainly not the cause of people seeing him positively. When all anyone had was the grainy video, it was still a gut reaction for much of the country.
Wait, why couldn't it be the other way around though, that his grades dropped and he developed because he developed anxiety and insomnia? You're making it sound like he wanted an excuse for his grades, but couldn't it legit be that his grades suffered because he wasn't able to sleep and had brain fog, etc?
Dr. John has expressed here more than hidden motivation. Neither am I going to murder anyone. Not my vibe. Not my path. Does murder accomplish anything? Well, as you pondered about CEO's and politicians going into hiding, it maybe a start. I will not cast a stone at Luigi Mangione.
Dear Dr. John, you are my hero, but you do not understand the effects of pain. This is not a mental health issue but what pain makes you do. So it's all in the mind, hell no, no one listens, until it's too late.
Pudendal nerve entrapment (PNE), also known as Alcock canal syndrome,[1][2] is an uncommon[1][3][4] source of chronic pain in which the pudendal nerve (located in the pelvis) is entrapped or compressed in Alcock's canal. There are several different types of PNE based on the site of entrapment anatomically (see Anatomy).[5] Pain is positional and is worsened by sitting. Other symptoms include genital numbness, fecal incontinence and urinary incontinence.
@@HiddenTrueCrimeclearly he has never experienced pain with no hope of treatment, prior authorizations denied, step therapy that causes significant loss of sight for no reason other than profit, being unable to afford necessary healthcare while paying half of your weekly income on inadequate healthcare, chronic pain with no possible end and a TH-camr you previously respected saying it’s psychosomatic.
@@HiddenTrueCrime please do not think I assumed, just input regarding the point of issue. No harm intended, no one injured. Apologies to all offended. 😢 Thanks 🙏
Lyme disease can cause migraines. Migraine is not always accompanied by a headache but sometimes just by visual hallucination and cognitive problems that people commonly call brain fog. Because the migraines are not accompanied by headaches, they are not properly diagnosed and the patient is often written off as having a psychosomatic problem. Migraines involve a part of the midbrain that triggers anxiety.
As a person with chronic illness, theorizing that it is psychosomatic is what drives us all nuts. Try having multiple conditions and doctors tell you it’s psychosomatic. And you wonder why he became psychotic? Geez, Dude.
Interesting analysis. I still think the public will continue having Immense sympathy for Luigi. Brian Thompson is not a sympathetic victim. I do think this is a case where the law won’t be so black and white. People have such strong feelings about this topic and I can’t think of anyone who hasn’t been impacted by the corporate greed inflicted upon us by Insurance companies. Thompson is just a representation of that. People are tired. These companies are asking us to care about someone who did not care for others and profited off of hurting them. Pretty big ask. I look forward to hearing more from your channel as this all unfolds.
Lyme disease patients are so often labeled as psychosomatic. It is a disease that affects all agegroups and symptoms are very varied and numerous. Very often seen are pain in different parts of body, insomnia, visual disturbances (snow or others), brainfog, fatigue etc. It can also affect your mood and there is also a concept of "lyme rage". It is frustrating how poorly this debilitating disease is known to medical professionals and how people are left with no care.I don't know if this suspect has/had lyme disease, but be careful with labeling anyone "psychosomatic" just because of the number of symptoms at a young age
Thank You, Dr. John and Lauren so so much for your meaningful insights into this tragedy. I am a semi retired nurse. I have watched healthcare make tremendous advances but have also witnessed healthcare become a for profit business. I am finding very few doctors will accept Medicare, and that is when those of us who have worked and served others their entire lives, can't find good healthcare in this country. I have also noticed that the prices that these insurance companies have been charged for health care is enormous. I had to get a knee brace for arthritis this week, and the cost of one knee brace was almost $1500! I will soon find out how the $1500 knee brace compares to the $25 knee brace that I purchased from the local pharmacy. The Entire system is involved in this problem, to include the mental health system, which is broken too. I agree with Dr. John in this. This is a Huge issue involving more than insurance companies and I hope that if "anything" good can come out of this, it will be looked at by everyone and try to make it better ,without "Murder". I do not see murder ever solving anything. I send prayers for the Thompson and Mangione families.
I think there was academic pressure put on Luigi. Young boys don't just "choose" to go to a private, all-boys prep school. And his sister is also a medical doctor. Both my husband and daughter are surgeons, so I understand the tremendous pressure they went/go through, even if it's self-induced.
I'm convinced that Ted Kazynski had debilitating social problems that were caused by him being allowed to skip two grades it wasn't that he was mature for his age only academically advance and never had the opportunity to be a kid .
I do see a lot of anger and frustration rising up in the last few years among people that are feeling an unbearable weight of oppression in their lives and would argue that , if some Important changes don’t start occurring in America , we will start seeing that anger appear in many other places … People are angry , hungry , sick , homeless, feeling unheard , tired & fed up and leaders have to acknowledge this is happening or I really see many others recurring to violence as the only way they feel they can enact real change . The riots , George Floyd , the killing in New York subway , and now Luigi Mangione and most importantly: THE REACTION OF PEOPLE TO HIS ACTIONS , all speak of an immense frustration and hopelessness that at least I know I’ve felt, and still feel right now …among many Americans .
I don’t think a single person could possible understand the deep disfunction in the entire healthcare system! I feel the simplest way to explain it is that patients quality of life seem to have no interest in this country!! The deep disconnect of how health care providers are taught compared to other countries who think about the whole body, etc, is astonishing! We are all set up to fail because I’m convinced there is literally no one who would even know how to fix it a tiny percentage! I’ve been misdiagnosed, butchered in surgery and have a very long issue getting my meds. And to ANYONE who thinks having money changes this- they are wrong! Who the hell actually wants to live longer while in pain?! The goal should be quality of life and teaching people how to handle their issues. Sometimes I wonder if that even enters a lot of doctors minds. Not to say it’s entirely their faults because of the healthcare taking up so much of their time! It’s almost criminal now much paperwork has to be dealt with. The system is horribly terrible, no wonder someone had an extreme reaction! Not that I’m saying it’s ok to murder someone. Though- telling me all of sudden a few years back they would pay for my Wellbutrin anymore is a kind of murder! There are soooo many very intelligent people out there!!! Someone fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!🥺
Sounds like me in many ways. Lyme disease destroyed my life. Gave up my dream job had to battle immediate company in an insurance company. Lyme disease is called the great imitator for many reasons it imitates it is likely the root cause of many issues. There is a woman who wrote a book about. How we are losing a generation of children to tickborne illness because it is so hard to catch, and doctors are frankly ignorant. I’ll see if I can find her book and send it.
Dr. John always comes through with an excellent take and breakdown of what he sees going on within the criminal mind. He always brings it right around and lands it with a parallel to a really good work of literature and for that....I am always so appreciative! There is no one comparable on youtube....or any media that I can find. The perfect mix of all the topics I'm fascinated with😊.
I have been diagnosed with clinical Lyme disease that went untreated for many years. I have brain fog and many other strange symptoms. These illnesses are real. I am a little pissed that you're saying it's psychosomatic. I love your channel but this bothers me.
Yes! He IS saying many actual physical issues are psychosomatic! It's ludacris and insulting! Especially, given how common many of the issues he brings up are.
At 26 and a male, your impulse control is not fully developed. I was blessed at 26 to not have chronic pain. I don't know how I would have handled that maturity at 26. At 26, you should still be feeling invincible. I feel so frustrated at 63 with chronic pain. Yes, I have good days. I have days I cope. I mask my pain when I need to because not being there would take part of my soul away. I hate to go to the doctor when I am in pain. I don't like the doctor telling me they don't see something that I can feel and is affecting my day-to-day. I am not asking for drugs to mask. I am asking to have the ability to cope with my life again. I am asking to be able to enjoy my life. I hate having to weigh the cost ratio of my pain after doing something I want to do versus missing out and keeping my pain at a manageable level. At 63, that feels hellish. At 26, it would be beyond my mental capacity to cope.
I understand the need to use “radicalized” as the impetus for Mangione to commit this crime, but as far as calling his ideas “radical,” i don’t see it. Many of us are thinking what he was thinking. Does agreeing with his ideas make us radical? Just writing his ideas off as radical thinking seems really simplistic and short sighted. Let’s talk about the psychopathy of someone who denies people medical care they paid for in order to give money to their friends (shareholders) and themselves. I would love Dr John to discuss the mental health of someone who can do this and sleep at night.
I understood that luigi was asked to lower his mask while checking in to that hostel, as the female requested only per the rules of the hostel. So she could ID his face to his license he gave her. Yes they were flirting but if he needed to stay there it was required. Read this online right after the shooting when the manhunt began. He had been spotted checking in prior to the shooting i believe- ive read / seen 100 aricles videos since then but i do remember wondering why he would have lowered his mask only that time- then i read the reason why
“What’s Our Problem” by Tim Urban is a book that Mangione replied on a Twitter post was the most important read of the 21st century. He even suggested it be a required read in high school. I haven’t read this book, but I think it would give us great insight into his mindset during the start of his radical thinking.
Mental Health has been neglected since the 80s in this country. And the Healthcare industry has a statistical table somewhere calculating cost of having a CEO assassinated once and awhile vs. profits loss of humane treatment and we all know profits win every time.
As Trevor Noah pointed out, BT was on his was to an investor meeting when he was k!lled, and the meeting STILL TOOK PLACE. Even they didn't care enough to postpone it.
Visual snow? Check into thyroid, diabetes or other insulin 'dysfunction' disorder, and connective tissue disorders. As long as people keep saying it's psychological they don't look for physical reasons.
Thank you again for your coverage and analysis. My whole life has been driven by limited access to healthcare. It defined when I started college, what jobs I took, and how entrenched I became in toxic workplaces. Friends stayed in abusive relationships because they needed their partners insurance. I've lost loved ones. Things need to change. I followed legal activism and tried to contribute for this change, and all I've reaped is despair. I want nonviolent progress, but one of my heroes is John Brown. I am sure Dr John could give a fascinating psychological profile of John Brown. He killed men with families who were only cogs in an unjust system, but I don't think think you can deny he was on the right side of history. That vicious institution was not ended with nonviolence.
So you want a healthcare system that does not financially infringe upon your ability to go to college and does not inflict upon you a possible toxic work environment. If you give nothing to this idealistic system you envision, who are you looking at to support it?
It's a crime to call someone who is sick crazy. They never get help and suffer all the time. Insomnia always comes with Lyme disease. Every Lyme doctor is a super sleep doctor. They have to be. It's also true that almost every Lyme doctor has Lyme eo actually understands Lyme patients. This is a very, very, very bad video. This killer is just that, and he needs justice. I also know many, many Lyme patients commit suiside. This is so very sad because Lyme is treatable, but it is also a fact that insurance companies reject treatment for Lyme.
I don’t think he’s an incel. That’s conjecture without real evidence to back it up. He’s an attractive, well-educated, fit man who likely didn’t have issues attracting women. Perhaps his back injury and the bolts in his lower back prevent him from being physically intimate, but that doesn’t automatically make him an incel.
Look at all the conversations that have been started because of this murder and the collective rage that has been given an outlet. It is often the case that only extreme actions provoke systemic change because quieter messages are ignored.
The only reason my husband and I are alive today is because I work for a large hospital that has excellent healthcare coverage for its employees. However, I hear horror stories every day from my family and friends who suffer from this broken system 😢
I have seen so many people saying “he had so much wealth he could have helped people that way”. We do not know anything about his personal finances! Just because you come from a wealthy family does not mean “you yourself has wealth”. Please people understand this!
This whole thing breaks my heart healthcare is broken in America I used to work in hospice I feel for this young man because of this he went to a dark place!
I really hate the uno reverse that youre intimating where the disease symptoms are made up to explain the underperformance rather than the performance being hindered by disease. Im not even saying that stress cant cause the expression of disease. But i think its medics not knowing enough about auto immune and auto inflammatory diseases that makes them suggest its like self sabotage or whatever you said. "We dont know what disease process is causing that so you must be making it up." No, not as often as you think, anyway. I was told for 25 years my severe symptoms that ruined my life were psycho somatic. I couldn't even get a scan because my drs notes were full of this crap from age 11. Age 35 a new dr finally did mri and woukdnt you know it my pelvis is fused and my spine is partly fused and wholly a train wreck.
And my symptoms were spinal pain, nerve pain, connective tissue pain, sciatica, muscle and joint problems, digestive problems, brain fog, fatigue, insomnia etc. Ankylosing spondylitis is in the same family as ulcerative colitis, linked to chrones, in the same family as psoriatic arthritis. It's systemic, degenerative, affects everything, makes any other conditions worse, etc. And is wildly under and late diagnosed.
100% on the uno reverse (and I will be respectfully stealing that phrase from you now). I have a friend who's been through soooo much and still is ongoing but at one time when she finally got what was supposed to be a quick surgery, she was opened up and the doctor was so horrified by what he found and it turned into a 6 hour surgery and he did actually apologize then for all who had dismissed her. But that was just one in a continuous line of "we don't know what it could be so you must just be faking."
Thanks for this coverage! I work with people with chronic pain. I like the work of Alan Gordon “The Way Out” to address the fear that can come up with pain. I agree that we need change in the “health”(profit)care system…I also work with kids who have lost parents to violence…and that is a lifelong grief and pain I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
I continue to be surprised by the wave of support Luigi has been getting. I think the majority of people who defend his deeper feelings don't approve of what he did which was a ghastly crime and unconscionable. But I think people are sympathizing with the conditions that drove into this act and made him just completely lose it. I'm glad to see this and I'm glad to see that people are not quick to call him psychotic or somehow a deviant this guy was not Ted kaczynski He's not a terrorist and against all humans. He strictly had an issue with the health care in this country. That distinction needs to be recognized. I do feel for the family of Brian Thompson and all the tragedy that this has brought on. But I also sympathize with Luigi and all the tragedy in his life that drove him to this horrible act
The HMO laughs & mocks the child...... until they cough up the moola.. What good is a child if they don't pay.... right. After all this is Merica! Capitalists love whinging about "The Christmas Carol" for their own seasonal profit, while ignoring the msg of Dickens.
I want to see a stage play titled: Bryan and Luigi. Dr John, you could write that script. Just Bryan and Luigi having a prison chat about their philosophies and motivations.
Until the Citizens United ruling is overturned, we will continue to suffer at the hands of lawmakers who were bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporations. I’m not sure how we can change that, but I’m open to ideas.
I think it's a runaway train, "absolute power corrupts absolutely." (John EED Acton). Corporations now own all branches of the government, including the supreme court. Checks and balances are gone, nothing will stop them from further centralizing power, changing the constitution to remain in power. Unfortunately, revolution may be the only way. Or letting the system completely collapse so it can be rebuilt.
He lived in a co-op Dr.! They are called co-ops, not communes these days. They are only kind of similar to communes. Communes often have negative connotations such as Spawn Ranch and Jonestown. Co-ops are not the same thing.
So Americans have to live in a society that provides easy access to guns to those with mental issues It’s really a dangerous situation Most other places on earth don’t
Dr John I appreciate so much your perspective I’m a therapist but also worked in hospice and healthcare and I’m fascinated by the psychology behind why people to do crimes..if I were younger, I would have gone back to get forensic psychology degree thank you!
John mentions the scapegoating of the healthcare industry. Remember we don't know the extent to what Luigi's Healthcare problems were. Maybe he was pushed to have this back surgery and deeply regretted it and blamed the doctors . American doctors in general are quick to always want to do surgeries instead of more conservative options, and yes there is a financial incentive to do surgeries. Maybe Luigi was misdiagnosed? I have heard so many horror stories from people that regret having spinal surgery done as it does not erase the pain and in some instances makes it worse
Luigi had. Physical brain impairment from spinal injuries, it’s coming for spinal nerves directly connected to the brain can affect one’s mood behavior and judgment
@ in a couple of years he will need surgery for his spine again because this disks screws waste the disks and you need to anchor more disks it’s not good at all to do this spine disks fixtures there is no going back from it and unfortunately no better surgery is currently viable yet for anyone. Sleeping 🛌 in prison mattresses will make Luigi so ill with back pain I feel sorry for him
Dr. John such a compelling assessment. I really appreciate the woven complexity made in a story-like narrative, that you have brought to us today to explain this facinating case.
It wasn't "indiscriminate." It was incredibly precise. Trevor Noah commented that he Reaganomics'd the one most responsible for the most number of people harmed in hopes that the effect would trickle down. I understand people not being comfortable with his choice, but it wasn't indiscriminate at all. He didn't walk into a school or a mall or concert or church and just start firing wildly in all directions because he's upset. He didn't k!ll someone who was innocent. I get that we don't want random people doing this, but/however no one calls it m*rder when a country takes out a foreign actor. No one calls it m*rder when someone is sentenced to death and dies on death row. Why are we OK if a government makes the decision instead of a person?
Dr John. I love your clinical insight. I would encourage you to research the role of Lymes on the psyche. His IBS seems like his bodies response to the trauma of witnessing his mother in uncontrollable pain. Sometimes it’s upsetting when you say psychosomatic. The body reacts to trauma. Mind and body are not separate. Love your work. Thanks for sharing it with us.
@@JackieOlantern There's a lot we don't know, so rumors abound. I had also read that it wasn't his mother but female family member who was unnamed. Eventually these details will be clear, but for me it's not that important. People are expressing sympathy to him because of their experiences. This is really about all these people telling how they've been harmed by the insurance industry and seeing that there are so many more who are feeling a similar thing. It's jarring for some of them who looked to this channel expecting a measured response, and maybe heard, instead are hearing a lot of judgement and distancing remarks. For instance, we know absolutely zero about Luigi's love life, and yet John has decided it's the root of his motivation in killing the CEO. Preposterous.
I don't think it's self "harm" if you are actually doing the only thing you can to stop the pain when nothing else does. And in prison they are not at all going to care to try to treat his back pain.
Dr. John, you hit the nail on the head, point after point. I love listening to you. Thank you for sharing your insights. And thank you, Lauren! I appreciate all your coverage. What a great channel!
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I followed the conversation and I would like to add two significant pieces to the psychological profile. 1. The accussed may have had issues with cPTSD he experienced his mother go through intense physical pain and had a helplessness response in terms of not being able to assist her crying at night (see internet published writings), 2. Lyme disease causes neurological difficulties and subsymptoms he experienced and depression cycle that is intense.
I believe that people who see this as justified in relation to the healthcare and health insurance industries have not addressed the significance of the fact that Luigi’s pain is not due to a claim denied. Access to care, both physical and mental, is not the primary issue for the child of an extremely wealthy family.
Claiming to do this for The American People is a chaff and redirect. He didn’t address the problem with brutal honesty; he addressed it only with brutality.
I may feel even more compassion and empathy for Mangione than I do for Thompson-not more than for Thompson’s children, however. I am heartbroken for Luigi’s family, too. Heartbreak is the only guaranteed outcome of this situation. And Luigi’s acts may even have been inevitable. But no matter what else comes of them, they were not and are not justified.
@@DeweyLovesDuckies it is possible to be concerned about other people, and it is possible to be patriotic.
@@DeweyLovesDuckies so because he's wealthy, he can't see the failures of the system or be outraged on other folk's behalf? He resorted to violence but there is an argument to be made that the whole insurance situation is white collar violence on a much larger scale. And violence begets violence.
@@DeweyLovesDuckies Boy bye 👋 🤣 writing a book in the comments is not gonna convince me to care about the death of a CEO . Considering they get paid not to care for folks like myself the poor 😕 🤔
I was diagnosed at 37 with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. No one believed me that something was wrong when i first started dislocating at 14 until I finally got a real diagnosis. I was told it was all in my head for most of my life. Medical PTSD is a real thing. It's so damaging when no one believes you. I have had chronic pain since my early 20's and knowing i will have pain everyday of the rest of my life definitely causes anxiety and depression.
Autoimmune diseases are real, just because people "don't look sick" doesn't mean they aren't. That goes for Lyme also.
Zebra here too. Yet insurance doesn’t want to cover the kinds of things that might help us (like Prolotherapy, massage, or Pilates) versus what could actively cause us harm (like surgery).
I haven't listened to the full video yet so forgive me if you get more into this later, but I did wanna say something about the term psychosomatic. I worked as an RN on a neurosurgery floor for about a decade, and I felt like the term psychosomatic was thrown around a lot when people had chronic pain that were not getting relief and they were just blown off as being drug seeker. I know that psychosomatic symptoms can be a real thing, but I think it's a term that should be used with caution because even if something is psychosomatic, it's still real for the person experiencing it and I think that's a very important distinction. I am extremely photo sensitive, and when I am out in the sun, I see sparkles pretty much the entire time. I would hate for somebody to say that my seeing these flashing lights was psychosomatic because it's very much real and I don't feel that anything I'm doing is causing it. So I think that's just an important distinction to make sure people know that regardless of if something in your mental health is causing a physical symptom, that physical symptom is still very much something that the person is actually experiencing. I think a lot of people hear psychosomatic and they think that you're causing it with your mental problems and that you have control over it and that you're not experiencing it genuinely because it's coming from a mental health issue. I don't know if I'm making sense but I hope I am. I just think when doctors can't figure out what's going on with somebody often time psychosomatic is where they land because they can't find a physical reason for their symptoms and sometimes it's not always the case, it's that they've missed something but then the person gets boxed into being mentally ill when in fact, there are times where they actually have a physical problem.
You make perfect sense and have intelligently stated how the term psychosomatic should not be thrown around or applied in this day and age. Nor should it be interchanged with “hypochondria”. Or relegating a syndrome of complaints to “mental health issues” which John intermittently states with a nervous giggle!
This 20+year ICU RN agrees.
Doctors who can't stand to think they can't figure something out dismiss the patient and say it's all in their head. It's SO common. I have friends with chronic pain but one in particular has had every test under the sun and since they can't figure out why this and that new debilitating pain is there, they wave it away as not existing. And she's not even asking for pain meds because she hates how they feel. She's just trying to not unalive herself by having someone find the cause and fix it. It's been very touch and go, but you can't live with level 8 pain everyday and not lose it.
Agreed!
Neuro/ICU here and agree!
My brother had this exact diagnosis. It easily could have paralyzed him when his back broke. His teacher didn't believe him and called him a liar and attention seeking too. He had emergency surgery and was in a body cast for 4 months. He grew and needed it adjusted. It was torture for him. This is not psychosomatic.
I’ll tell ya what - no matter how we got here, what his motives were or the rage…
This man single handedly has everyone talking about something we need to be talking about. Healthcare in this country is a scam and we are being screwed.
I agree! He opened the eyes of millions without hurting any innocent bystanders. I'm so sorry that he decided to sacrifice himself for this mission.
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It’s a false truth! He is not doing it for the good of anyone but himself.
It’s a false truth! He is not doing it for the good of anyone but himself.
Google "Steward Health Care". That is for profit health "care" as distinct from insurance. And the many comments to the articles in the "Boston Globe" are 100 per cent unanimous about the problems in the system.
And those articles often link to "The American Prospect".
Those are a quick way to bone up on the issues, which many have already been talking about.
At the beginning of the series "Dopesick" (about the Sackler family), there is a conversation that takes place that explains what pain does to a person. "When we live with pain, we are not living our true selves. We're not living our best selves. We're not even living at all, because the pain overtakes our ability to think & feel. Even to love." I'd never heard it out loud, in that way, and it felt like my heart stopped for a moment as I let that sink in.
I completely understand this. I've been in pain for 19 years and it's really hard to be present in life . Thank you for this message it could help someone who is dealing with pain or someone loved one who is dealing with it! Awareness and lots of therapy is helpful for me.
I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes when somebody puts words to a thought you’ve had many times it’s startling and almost makes you wonder if somehow they’re interfacing directly with your mind.
I watched that exact sentiment play out with a loved one, someone who was an icon of my life. Pain destroyed her all the way to her grave. It was terrible to watch, and yes, health 'care' was involved there as well.
Great point and an incredible series!
Your comment makes me want to watch "Dopesick". I have to wonder if there's a connection between the insurance conglomerates, the opioid crisis and the chronic pain and suffering that's brought us all to this moment of mass outrage.
Unrelenting pain can break anyone. Untold millions have self exited due to pain. The lack of empathy for those who suffer is heartbreaking. We are seen as drug seekers and hypochondriacs.
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RIP to all people who have died as a result of being refused Healthcare.
Why do people in the US refer to these companies as Medical, when they are financial?
...and still die every day! As a Canadian I can't even begin to relate. I'm angry too, Lauren. John is wrong.
@@gailtrotman5256unfortunately John is not wrong.
Nobody seems to be addressing that elephant in the room.
@@Anna-ww4pv you should listen and learn something from Canadians. We have excellent & free healthcare.
Only one who has experienced chronic pain can truly understand how completely robbed of life...only to be tortured endlessly
When will Pain patients be seen and heard ? Maybe now ?
I've lived with chronic pain the past 30 plus years. I do get it. I also get the mental toll it can take on you and your loved ones. Guess what? Murdering someone because I'm the lucky one to be in terrible pain a great deal of the time does not change anything but ruin a bunch of innocent peoples lives. It is just life and I can wallow in self pity because I'm in pain and cannot find any relief, or I can educate myself on what options I have, what science is being researched that may help if it is developed and then proceed to work and enjoy my life as best I can. I can sit home and be in pain, or I can live and be in pain. Those are my choices and what I get to choose from. No amount of anger or rage is going to change that basic choice. Murdering someone doesn't change that basic fact. To use that to justify murder is asinine.
@NewyorkkittykatT.N.R CEOs who increase premiums while denying care, are being exposed. Salarys, Inside-Trading, etc of billions kept a secret in their systems. Mental health of citizens depends on care.
I'm not really sure what people think but he didn't have no grievances or denied claims from United or any connections to them at all far as I know. Him dealing with chronic pain you'd have to ask why did his the surgery not help? His post's said it did in one.. did pain meds not help and why not if so. Regardless why go kill a CEO of a health insurance company.i dunno seems like he expected to be caught and knew the mental health aspect would be in his favor. The family tho should be able to answer all of it imo.
@dlbodkins Those screws look painful in the x-ray. Maybe he thought wow if he has all that money and privileged" and still he got F over with this surgery image. What regular ppl must be going through. I'm sure he did his research bf he offed the CEO, Missed placed anger for sure, though
Quote from Qasim Rashid, Esq: " The social fabric of society did not suddenly break when an assailant killed the UnitedHealth CEO-an assailant killed the UnitedHealth CEO because the social fabric of society is broken."
Since I can't write comments for some reason, I'm going to ask @HiddenTruCrime has Dr. John read the 19th-century German novella _Michael Kohlhaas_? It's up his alley and I think perhaps the most relevant text to this case. (It's plot is summed up by the Rashid quote.)
yes! this analyzing of someone by picking up breadcrumbs online is pathetic.
I'd like to know why the killing of a man who is responsible for, at the very least, hundreds of thousands of deaths, is considered radical. Seems pretty sensible to me.
Wow. Well said.
@jonnylumberjack6223 because he was devout corporate soldier.
Are you an MD? He had spondylolisthesis. It can be genetic. It can cause paralysis. It can cause incontinence and sexual dysfunction. It’s not a somatization of a coping or mood problem, but it sure as hell could cause it.
Yeah, maybe they should stop calling him "Dr", it might be going to his head, especially if he's going to dispute actual medical diagnoses. Smh.
Just to be clear, you keep saying Luigi had grievances against the health care industry. That’s incorrect. His grievances were with the insurance industry, specifically health insurance. Big difference!
The health insurance companies are a “covered entity”. They pay for healthcare, they are not healthcare providers. Agreed - BIG difference.
Agree, that was frustrating
Y'all need to start referring to these companies as financial institutions, not medical or health care. If you all refuse to label them as healthcare, they will cease to be known as healthcare. Baby steps can make a big difference in the end.
The conflation of the two is part of the reason we are at this point: People expect to receive care from health insurance companies, but they are not in the business of providing healthcare; they are in the business of managing risk. They assume some of the financial risk associated with our healthcare needs, and then try to minimize their exposure to that risk. They don’t care if we are sick or in pain; that’s not their job.
This keeps coming up. It’s really agitating. No media is actually reporting honestly.
I had Cervical Myelopathy in my neck. It affected everything from my neck down. Over a year and a half I went from joggin 5km a few times a week to crawling from my bed to the toilet and back. I couldn't look after myself or my children or work. I had a host of other symptoms including brain fog, loss of feeling all over my body, piercing headaches, deep depression. I had loss of strength in all of my limbs, uncontrollable tremors and was loosing my voice and my hair, it was devastating my life. I was finally referred to a neurologist, who admitted me to my local hospital immediately where I was diagnosed and told if I didnt have the operation, I would be in a wheelchair within two years and would continue to decline. I was operated on two weeks later. I felt the difference from the moment I woke up from the operation. I am making a good recovery now and Im back at work, contributing to society again and living my life. The cost of my treatment to me? ZERO. Healtchare should never be privatised. Its not a business its a human right.
What type of healthcare or insurance do you have?
@TH-kp5vi none
In most other countries, health insurance doesn't exist because of some of the very reasons listed in that manifesto.
@@Lemonbonbon- Thank goodness you’re on your way to recovery! What country do you live in? If America, are you on a state plan?
@@redrose41000 Thank you. ❤️ I'm truly grateful for the surgical and medical team that looked after me. They saved my life. I live in The Republic of Ireland. I don't have a plan. Health insurance is too expensive for most here. We have a good public system here. Its a bit slow to get into but once your in its amazing. We pay tax and pay related social insurance out of our pay cheque to fund it, maternity & paternity care and leave, sick pay when your off work and some dental services. Even if you don't work you still get access to medical service through what's called the medical card system.
I would love for you to cover the psychological state of a Healthcare CEO, who reports making 10 Million /yr while denying medical coverage for those who pay their premiums.
It's also worth noting that this individual also has an ongoing legal case for insider trading using a Floridan Firefighter Pension Fund.
Greedy is not a mental condition.
@@truffles2721but maybe evil or heartless is…
@@truffles2721 It certainly points to an untreated personality disorder. At a minimum it's a conflict of interest for healthcare.
It's wild that the general public is so confused by this.
We are not confused we are sick of greedy ass rich people,that keep draining the poor man's pockets and the greedy ass Rich!!
@JEdwarrd
CEO was slated to testify against Pelosi for investor fraud.
I’ve had five back surgeries in the last four years, including two lumbar fusions. My neurosurgeon caused my current debilitating pain for my first fusion that was never there before. Good luck getting them to take any accountability, and you have no foot to stand on legally. I’m so sick of hearing people dismissing his medical issues, saying that he looks so fit, he couldn’t possibly have that bad of back issues , or he doesn’t look like someone with debilitating pain. I hear from random people all the time that I don’t look like someone who is sick or with debilitating pain. There’s no possible way to even start “speculating” about whether all of his physical pain is legitimate. I’m not supporting him one bit, but that’s going way over the line.
Agreed. Also, I am very disappointed with a lot of what John has said in this video.
@@SarahAllenHumboldt yes I think anyone who struggles with chronic illness and chronic medical gaslighting will be. How familiar, that gesture of a medical professional looking at a set of symptoms that can't be made to "go away" by surgery or pharmaceuticals, and concluding that the patient there fore must have a mental illness. How many times can someone with and untreatable chronic illness be subject to that gesture, without becoming engulfed in rage.
So sorry you're experiencing this! I have a brother who has also had multiple surgeries. Seems like his whole back is metal now. Thanks for your input. I hear you!
Not that he should be shot, but Brian Thompson was not just blameless cog. He was running that he was running the most profitable company that denies higher percent of claims than any other. He was making more millions than he could spend in many lifetimes yet still was seeking out more based on the insider trading charges.
He was investigated abd he had a right to trial, presumption of innocence and due process. Rights that was robbed of him. If he did illegal things, then he should have been proven guilty in the court of law, paid the price set by law and given the right to atone. But this can no longer happen, because a random 26 person decided to gun him down.
What if someone decides to gun your loved ones down because I don't know, let's they eat meat and that hurts humanity as a whole? Who gave them that right? None of us have the right to play jury, judge, prosecution and executioner all in one with no opposition just like that.
Irrelevant to the case
@@truffles2721 LOL... how much are you getting paid DOODE?
Healthcare system not broken it's corrupt.
He did not have any relationship with the murderer. But let's blame the victim -- "She asked for it by the way she was dressed."
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From "A Man for All Seasons":
In the following, Roper was Thomas More's hot-headed and impulsive son-in-law--
Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you -- where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws, from coast to coast -- man's laws, not God's -- and if you cut them down -- and you're just the man to do it -- do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.
Not flirting. The clerk asked him to show his smile so she could check his I.D.
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Is the clerk on record somewhere that you could point out? It would be good to hear directly from her. He is a handsome guy, so, I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable to wonder if he was maybe flirting with her?
..yet he wasn't smiling on the drivers license. New Jersey: Residents have not been allowed to show their teeth in driver's license photos since 2012. Driver's license photos typically require a neutral expression. A broad smile can distort your facial features, making it harder to identify you. (Google is my friend)
The report initially was she asked to see his million dollar smile.
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I totally understand. I suffered from chronic unremitting migraine headaches for 40 years. I was fortunate enough to have access to pain specialists. Before opioids I was a crazy person , unable to function because of the depression caused by pain. My cognition and behavior was greatly impaired until the pain was treated. Pain can make you crazy.
"Pain can make you go crazy". I believe this with every fiber of my being.
My doc has told me that opioids dont help migraine pain. You have a different experience?
Yes
Opioids do relieve migraines. 25 years of opioids treating my severe daily, 24/7 severe pain, I attest to opioids relieving chronic pain. Finally recent drug totally prevented all migraines. Amazingly when the pain stopped I stopped l stopped all opioids cold turkey with NO WITHDRAWAL! The opioids prescribed on a schedule were morphine, fentanyl and OxyContin prescribed by pain specialists for 20+ years. My sanity was preserved by treating the unremitting pain. Your first step would be to find a pain specialist who is prescribes opioids. Then obtain a referral to that physician. Don’t be confused by ‘doctors’ such as chiropractors and alternative medical providers claiming to be specialists who legally treat pain with opioids. They do exist. I’vs been prescribed. Opioids in 4 states. Good luck.
Oh, the drug class that prevented all my migraines was the class was CGRP inhibitors. There are several of them including Ajovy and Emgality. Ask your current provider about this recent class of drug.
@@NYCFordo doctors like to demonize opioids because a lot of people have had addiction problems so I believe that they try to claim they don't work on certain types of pain, but in reality it varies from person to person. I have definitely had a migraine where I've taken an opioid and it's completely resolved it. I just take them very sparingly and only get migraines about once every two months. I think sometimes they're worried about the person taking them every day several times a day and become independent so they tell people that they don't work on certain types of pain. If you think of the way opioids work in the body, technically, they should have some effect on all types of pain. They are likely more effective on some types of pain than others, but I don't think a doctor can just flat out. Say they don't help with certain types of pain. I know doctors do say that, but I think their motives are saying that stem from addiction and the stigma associated with addiction and they are very afraid to prescribe these meds now.
I had a serious knee injury and I was "terrified" that I would never be able to ride a bike again and be as active as I was before. I believe that people need to become more educated as to what chronic back pain can do to someone. Some have even committed suicide due to it.
Praying for your relief. It’s unbelievable how these creators censor themselves for monetary reasons. They won’t even use a word like K I’ll because they’re afraid to lose money. They are privileged to sit here and call this an ideological issue instead of recognizing that it’s an actual issue
Thank you! 100% This Dr. seems to dismiss chronic pain as all in our heads, hypochondria and not real physical problems. It's utterly insulting and NOT psychosomatic at all!
People only know what they know. My dad was talking about chronic pain and no help causing people to unalienable themselves in the 1980s and I didn't understand it. Now that I've acquired about 40 years of history, I know what he was saying.
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Electric bike is so easy , the brain fog can be eye herpectic virus, 🦠, there is no connection between kohberger and Luigi, and there is no correlation between alleged Idaho kohberger, kobergher denies and there is zero proof, Luigi is crippled and admitted and left many clues , 🕵️
Certainly don’t “ codone” murder but understand the ‘why,’.
Also one comment was “ he looks fine”. People with chronic pain may look ok but unless you’ve experienced disabling pain you have no right to judge
He did not appear disabled, maybe it was hard to surf?
@@judimoore1678what an awful thing to say. You can’t always see chronic pain.
What is sad to me is the fact that this young man sacrificed his freedom to start a conversation about the greed and corruption that is American health care.
Maybe he could have done so without killing someone. He was smart enough, had the means, the connections, the clout.
He chose to kill someone else for it. It was a decision he made while he had options galore to make a difference without murder. Way more options then most people in the US. He chose not to use them.
@@imolalajos8724 Many smart people with means and clout have tried to change the health care system in the US over the last half century. Nothing happens.
@@imolalajos8724maybe; maybe not!
So well said. A lot of awful things have started important conversations. Although I’m NOT comparing the defendants, but Betty Broderick comes to mind: she murdered her ex and his 22 yr old mistress who became the new wife. Put a focus on how men were replacing the housewives as they aged with a new model and crushing them in the divorce.
@@imolalajos8724actually not possible in this country today. It’s just a reality. The corporations rule. Period. 🤷🏻♀️
Any type of back pain is depressing. I have had chronic back pain for over 20 years. There were days, months, and years that the pain was so debilitating. I couldn't get out of bed. I ended up crawling to get my baby out of her crib, and then it took every mental and physical ounce of strength I could muster to care for her.
Medications didn't help, 9 inch needles poking my back didn't help. I wanted to die. It affected so many areas of my life. I felt extremely hopeless, desperate, angry... Why me?!
My insurance never denied my treatments, Thank God! I was very lucky.
What Luigi did was wrong. I think he was moved to become mentally unstable, crazy from the pain, stress, frustration, hopelessness, anger and sadness that his life will be a continuous struggle .
Not getting the support, counseling he needed during all that time is what really could have helped him deal with this instead of falling off the deep end.
I've had excruciating back pain. It can make you go crazy and angry. No excuse for murder but it can tip you over the edge.
Gosh, I'm so sorry to hear you've been through this.
Chronic pain can seriously affect your mental health even if you are a very robust person.
The impirtance of physical therapy and rehab can't be ignored and would prevent many back surgeries. Unfortunately some insurances don't pay well for pt.
@@judimoore1678 just awful, to here you experience this in the US. Unfortunately in AUS our medical system, that used to be entirely free, is becoming more and more American-ised. It's terrible.
Why don’t you dissect the people who promote, defend and financially benefit from this corrupt healthcare system?
He's already getting backlash just trying to understand how this could happen
I hope in the future doctor john will dissect the c e o's also
Honestly, I find the comparison to Kohberger facile, grotesque and totally unnecessary. These are two very differently motivated humans.
I agree. It comes off opportunistic
@@MaidenBklyn yessss!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@MaidenBklyn THANK YOU. I stopped listening after their fixation on visual snow commonality. They sound like grasping at straws playing pretend psychiatrists. These two have zero experience of chronic pain and definitely have zero critical thinking ability regarding late stage capitalism and oligarchy. I don't think they're equipped to analyze Luigi.
Blinders firmly affixed.
He only said he found it fascinating
Chronic back pain is no joke. It changes everything and every time I go in to see if there’s anything that can be done I spent my max out of pocket (6k) and come out with more pain and debt. Given up on trying to fix it and just figuring out ways to live with it.
I agree, I have had back pain for 20 yrs. And fibro since 1988. Its a lonley life!!!😢
This situation absolutely does not justify murder (nothing does). We can’t have that in a functioning society. BUT this does not mean that this unfortunate situation is not emphasizing the problems with our healthcare system. In many ways, Luigi’s actions have transformed into a loudspeaker for millions of frustrated Americans. And THAT is not necessarily a bad thing.
Agreed
Disagree
Thompson is not just a cog in the wheel. He ran the system of corporate decisions over who lives and who dies.
The two topics should not be mentioned in the same discussion. There’s no justification.
Saying murder is not condoned ‘but’ Mangioni’s actions are creating a discussion and that’s not a bad thing - that is giving him a pass for killing another person…….
I will say, y'all forgot that it fixed the blue Cross blue shield issue of taking away payment for anaesthesia early, within 24 hours.
Excellent reminder!!
@@ATChick exactly right
@@ATChick please share the link here for this news thanks
Always love your analysis of many of the cases you have covered. In this instance I've been a little "irked".
I can say as a long term sufferer of chronic illness due to trauma starting in childhood both physical and psycological, neglect and abandonment from those who were supposed to protect you, to making bad choices due to low self-esteem and marrying a narcissistic sociopath who simply amplified to the "n"th degree that I thought I had suffered, to witnessing the mental health effects on my children and my health deteriorating as I tried to take care of both my parents until they died at 87 and 85....until I was absolutely broken in every way possible.
My treatment within the health system came down to having the label attached to me of having somatic and "conversion" (whatever the heck that is??) symptoms. Not symptoms related to having a severe skin condition from birth, being sexually abused as a child, being emotionally rejected by a narcissistic mother, by being beaten to a pulp and psychologically tortured by a narcissistic sociopath husband and still trying to do the right thing by my parents despite having other siblings who did nothing but were looked upon as being way superior in status to me....etc etc etc. Did CPTSD ever come into anyone's horizon of understand when treating me medically and psychologically. I've found time and time again that people with complex presentations of symptoms are "labelled" so easily with "hypochromic" or having psycho-somatic symptoms.
I've been hurt and in fact harmed by the medical profession by their dismissal of my symptoms which I live with on a daily basis and the medications that have been prescribed throughout the years and caused much more physical problems than the original medical conditions.
So I'm disappointed at your analysis in this instance. There is no excuse for murder but there are instances were you might be driven to despair and if pushed into a corner without seeing any way out or of the offer of any help with improving your situation, some people might just " lose it". Those that can keep it together have my deepest respect and those that can't have my deepest empathy. ♥️
Apparently in some of his notes, he decided not to use a bomb because it would hurt innocent people, he chose this particular CEO instead as he was a symbol.
A CEO on the lower pay scale compared to other health insurance CEOs.
@@mtaylor7307 I don't know if that's true; he made more than 10 million a year just in salary, but the point is that UHC is the richest with the highest rate of denials. That's what made them the target.
@@raincadeify My point was the UHC is one of the most profitable companies in the world and they pay their CEO less than what other less profitable insurance companies pay their CEOs.
@@mtaylor7307 I see. Just another example of what money grubbers the company is. I kinda thought that when I saw the reward they were offering was only $10 thousand, lol.
@raincadeify actually law enforcement offered that reward. UHC offered zero. No kidding.
Lyme disease is a spirochete bacteria like syphilis, meaning the brain fog has an infectious cause not a “somatic” cause.
I just left the comment, but I had been looking to see if anybody had mentioned the side effects of Lyme disease
Thank you! I suffer with it and get so frustrated by the lack of advocacy and knowledge around the way it can impact the brain and pain. It's not ever as simple as people think it is.
YES!!!
Sadly, this whole analysis is inaccurate to the facts, and unsupported in its interpretation of hypochondriasis. It leaves me wondering what his training is and how he can seem naive to so many medical diagnoses.
@@Trenchant468 Yes, he’s a psychologist. He should acknowledge the limitations of his training in this situation. He used to be much more measured
It sounds like ankylosing spondylitis or another spondyloarthopathy to me. And I can say it is systemic, debilitating, and destroys your mental health. The grief and despair from the symptoms esp with no clear diagnosis for a long time. It is not psychosomatic. It is just not adequately diagnosed and acknowledged for the systemic symptoms It has
Thank you for saying this. ❤
Medical gaslighting is a thing.
@@raincadeify yes agree .
Sorry, but I thought this analysis was way off or maybe just too simplistic. I think it disregarded this guy’s deep study and commitment (leaving out moral judgement for a moment) and intelligence, which can be difficult to understand ala Ted Kaczynski, also highly intelligent but disturbed, whose writings he read. I’m sure his own issues played a role but his feelings over what he saw his mother go through weren’t even mentioned. I think he felt hopeless and decided that making a statement albeit via the wrong method was a way to make his own life meaningful and possibly to help others which no one seems to think is a thing anymore. But when you live in pain your empathy for others in pain grows substantially. And in that way he succeeded by turning the country upside down and forcing these discussions.
Adding that I think there is a deep hopelessness regardless of financial status of the youth of today. Many in this age range came into the 9-11 world.
I agree, and if his own writing is to be believe his mother’s intense suffering impacted him significantly I’m sure that contributes here. I think on this case Dr John wanted to tether this to one thing and I don’t think it’s just that.
@@deedled4879 very well said!
@ thank you
That manifesto talking about his mom was proven to be a fake. Apparently, the entire narrative concerning his mom and her supposed health struggles were entirely fabricated.
We know sociopaths rise to the top in the corporate world. What do we do to stop them acting in a sociopathic manner?
The devistating life of living with severe chronic pain❤ It is difficult or impossible to consentrate. Will affect your studies, when sitting still and lying in bed it is impossible to distract from it, so you don't sleep or get the rest you need. All your energy is spend handling your pain, so you are always tired. Pain can make you desperate, unfocused, depressed and limits your life.
This!!
I agree. When my back hurt, I was cranky. Pain depletes your energy.
The conditions incarcerated this young man will experience will be worse than any be has had in his life. He knew he would be facing this. How will his mental health hold under this increased strain?
@mtaylor7307 I wonder the same thing. Doubt he had any clue just how horrific being in jail is. Gonna be EXTREMELY difficult for him to adjust.
@@spinstercatlady He may run on anger until he can't any longer. Wondering if he is on self harm watch?
John is saying the public is glorifying Luigi as a mentally fit guy. I would disagree, I think most people see him as someone who has some serious issues. Luigi is fascinating because he is very physically fit, good-looking, and wealthy. As you know, looks always count and also because so many people have stories about being denied medicine or other treatment, almost everyone can feel the anger he had with the healthcare system.
What evidence is there that he "has some serious issues." I assume you'll say his act which I can't name here. As long as he claims that act is politically motivated, I think it's important to consider what that means.
My neighbor has back problems now. Went from hunting, building houses and being active to not being able to get his own mail. He sits in his house all day. And while I hear surprise in your voice at his age with back issues… most of my friends have been sick or passed by that age. Cancer, PoTS, lymes… all in early 20s. It’s not uncommon at all
My biggest takeaway from this discussion is that health care is referred to as a business in America!!
No kidding
@@truffles2721As a non American, I find that disgusting!!
@@Opiniatedwoman none of your business
Since corporations have purchased hospitals and are for profit; Healthcare has greatly changed in this country. It is no longer about the patient, but has become the money
@@Connie-EI can’t imagine what that must be like for people who are not insured, or under insured. It’s horrible!!
Politicians are in the pockets of these large corporations. The lobbyists ensure that.
Greed exists. And there lies the real problem. It is society's core problem condition.
Yep. And until we get money out of politics, this will get worse and worse until it explodes. America is a failed experiment.
I don’t like the dismissal of the physical health problems of this person. There are many conditions that can affect a young person. And cause chronic pain. And many young people who are misdiagnosed or not diagnosed by inept physicians suffer and are called hypochondriacs. That is the answer many times when an a person doesn’t fit the most common diagnoses. Look up Ehlers Danlos syndrome. There are many different degrees of effect on people- sometimes in medicine- it can be a zebra
I'm from England,and the more i hear ,about this guy,the more i am on his side.Sorry,yes i know what he did was very wrong,but i am sick and tired of hearing how people with a lot of money,treat the one's who don't.Not all,i know,but a vast proportion 😒
Luigi had more money than the one who he murder.
@normarojo5834 I don't believe that is true.
@@clarice4426I don’t either. Just because you come from a family that has $$ doesn’t mean you have it.
@@normarojo5834 and he cares deeply about the welfare of others. Can you imagine someone caring about others? It's so refreshing, that's why he's garnered support.
This story breaks my heart, so much. I spent 20 years in the healthcare industry. Industry is not just a word.
What do you mean and how do you feel about the healthcare industry after spending 20 years on the inside?
In the UK, it’s called the Healthcare Sector. A better word, I believe.
Luigi has to pay for his crime. But he still has my sympathy because I understand that pain causes depression, and even suicidal thoughts. People can’t see pain. I have severe degenerative disc disease, must take pain killers to function just with daily menial tasks. I live in Canada, retired after working 55 years and have an extended health care plan thank goodness. Each day becomes a struggle. Luigi just couldn’t handle it. I think Dr. John explains it quite well. Very sad all the way around.
I would like to add that the people have to change the present health care system through legal means. I find it disgusting that CEOs make millions yearly off the backs of ill clients. Brian Thompson was not the only one, some CEOs in health insurance make 20 million plus a year.
@@darlenevoigt1457 I agree with you. You don't have to make millions of dollars to have a very comfortable life. i really hope that if something good can come out of this tragedy that the Health care system in America would be better for us.
@@darlenevoigt1457 It's not in the people's hands. Both major political parties in the US are bought out by the health insurance industry. The people have been trying through legal means for half a century. It's impossible.
He's not explaining "it" correctly if he's saying spondylolisthesis is psychosomatic. That's gaslighting. I have degenerative dis disease too. Luckily my doctor did an ex-ray instead of sending me to "Dr" John.
I worked for UHC as an RN case manager. It was the worst job I ever had. My supervisors were incompetent. The corporate bosses were so out of touch with the staff and the patients. It was the most demoralizing job I’ve ever had. I will never recommend UHC as a health insurance company or as a company to work for.
Love you both, but I do think this discussion missed the bigger picture of greed compounding suffering
John saying, "It's not fair, it's not just, I don't have an answer on how to change that" actually points to why Luigi did. He's saying yeah many have illuminated these problems for a long time and the problem remains, so . . . he tried something no one had yet. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just saying I think he did the only thing he felt he could do that might have any effect. I heard a quote -- not sure who originally said it though -- that one man's terr0rist is another man's freedom fighter. I don't like that we have wars, but wars happen when one side wants freedom from the oppressed and asking them for it doesn't work.
Respectfully, I have not heard or seen one single person “glorify” Mangione or treat him like a “hero”. I’ve seen plenty of people commiserate with the indignity and wretchedness he suffered at the hands of the medical insurance companies- both his own experiences and his mother’s. I’ve seen people angry at the daily degradations and contemptuous mistreatment they themselves have endured- sometimes for years- who are REMINDED of these things by Mangione and his actions. And I’ve seen people who refuse to condemn him to hell for all eternity, despite his crime, because they perceive the death/profound suffering of their loved ones resulting from a millionaire’s policy of denying them treatment to be a reciprocal crime of equal magnitude. None of these things are “glorifying” him or his violence.
Yes, some have condoned his violent murder.
Do you live under a rock?? So many are calling him a hero.
From what I’ve seen online, people glorifying him and hailing him as a hero of the working class, they see him more of a dark antihero, such as Batman, not a perfect Western hero. Like Batman…from a rich family but perhaps a bit (a lot) troubled but has lofty ideals and partakes in vigilante justice. Interesting reflection of our current society’s issues for sure
The poor are tired of the rich taking from the poor !! And it only going to get worse!!
And people saw him that way before ever seeing the picture of "his abs" or even his full face. That element was unexpected but certainly not the cause of people seeing him positively. When all anyone had was the grainy video, it was still a gut reaction for much of the country.
Interesting take. The whole story has a comic book feel to it.
Wait, why couldn't it be the other way around though, that his grades dropped and he developed because he developed anxiety and insomnia? You're making it sound like he wanted an excuse for his grades, but couldn't it legit be that his grades suffered because he wasn't able to sleep and had brain fog, etc?
Dr. John has expressed here more than hidden motivation. Neither am I going to murder anyone. Not my vibe. Not my path. Does murder accomplish anything? Well, as you pondered about CEO's and politicians going into hiding, it maybe a start. I will not cast a stone at Luigi Mangione.
Dear Dr. John, you are my hero, but you do not understand the effects of pain. This is not a mental health issue but what pain makes you do. So it's all in the mind, hell no, no one listens, until it's too late.
Your love story ends period.
Pudendal nerve entrapment (PNE), also known as Alcock canal syndrome,[1][2] is an uncommon[1][3][4] source of chronic pain in which the pudendal nerve (located in the pelvis) is entrapped or compressed in Alcock's canal. There are several different types of PNE based on the site of entrapment anatomically (see Anatomy).[5] Pain is positional and is worsened by sitting. Other symptoms include genital numbness, fecal incontinence and urinary incontinence.
Dr john certainly understands the effects of pain. Please don’t assume.
@@HiddenTrueCrimeclearly he has never experienced pain with no hope of treatment, prior authorizations denied, step therapy that causes significant loss of sight for no reason other than profit, being unable to afford necessary healthcare while paying half of your weekly income on inadequate healthcare, chronic pain with no possible end and a TH-camr you previously respected saying it’s psychosomatic.
@@HiddenTrueCrime please do not think I assumed, just input regarding the point of issue. No harm intended, no one injured. Apologies to all offended. 😢
Thanks 🙏
Lyme disease can cause migraines. Migraine is not always accompanied by a headache but sometimes just by visual hallucination and cognitive problems that people commonly call brain fog. Because the migraines are not accompanied by headaches, they are not properly diagnosed and the patient is often written off as having a psychosomatic problem. Migraines involve a part of the midbrain that triggers anxiety.
As a person with chronic illness, theorizing that it is psychosomatic is what drives us all nuts. Try having multiple conditions and doctors tell you it’s psychosomatic. And you wonder why he became psychotic? Geez, Dude.
Interesting analysis. I still think the public will continue having Immense sympathy for Luigi. Brian Thompson is not a sympathetic victim. I do think this is a case where the law won’t be so black and white. People have such strong feelings about this topic and I can’t think of anyone who hasn’t been impacted by the corporate greed inflicted upon us by Insurance companies. Thompson is just a representation of that. People are tired. These companies are asking us to care about someone who did not care for others and profited off of hurting them. Pretty big ask. I look forward to hearing more from your channel as this all unfolds.
The law is black and white, sentencing is gray
Lyme disease patients are so often labeled as psychosomatic. It is a disease that affects all agegroups and symptoms are very varied and numerous. Very often seen are pain in different parts of body, insomnia, visual disturbances (snow or others), brainfog, fatigue etc. It can also affect your mood and there is also a concept of "lyme rage". It is frustrating how poorly this debilitating disease is known to medical professionals and how people are left with no care.I don't know if this suspect has/had lyme disease, but be careful with labeling anyone "psychosomatic" just because of the number of symptoms at a young age
were his beliefs ''extreme''. I don't think so. Carrying out an assassination is extreme but what he believes is just true.
Thank You, Dr. John and Lauren so so much for your meaningful insights into this tragedy. I am a semi retired nurse. I have watched healthcare make tremendous advances but have also witnessed healthcare become a for profit business. I am finding very few doctors will accept Medicare, and that is when those of us who have worked and served others their entire lives, can't find good healthcare in this country. I have also noticed that the prices that these insurance companies have been charged for health care is enormous. I had to get a knee brace for arthritis this week, and the cost of one knee brace was almost $1500! I will soon find out how the $1500 knee brace compares to the $25 knee brace that I purchased from the local pharmacy. The Entire system
is involved in this problem, to include the mental health system, which is broken too. I agree with Dr. John in this. This is a Huge issue involving more than insurance companies and I hope that if "anything" good can come out of this, it will be looked at by everyone and try to make it better ,without "Murder". I do not see murder ever solving anything. I send prayers for the Thompson and Mangione families.
Dr. John and Lauren what an amazing dream. Your brilliant insight I feel is right on and makes sense. Thank you.
I think there was academic pressure put on Luigi. Young boys don't just "choose" to go to a private, all-boys prep school. And his sister is also a medical doctor. Both my husband and daughter are surgeons, so I understand the tremendous pressure they went/go through, even if it's self-induced.
I'm convinced that Ted Kazynski had debilitating social problems that were caused by him being allowed to skip two grades it wasn't that he was mature for his age only academically advance and never had the opportunity to be a kid .
Not true, my son wanted to go to a prep school, it wasnt on my radar as his mom. He didn't get in because I couldn't afford the tuition.
@@raineyj560 But I think in most instances, it's the parents that decide.
I do see a lot of anger and frustration rising up in the last few years among people that are feeling an unbearable weight of oppression in their lives and would argue that , if some Important changes don’t start occurring in America , we will start seeing that anger appear in many other places …
People are angry , hungry , sick , homeless, feeling unheard , tired & fed up and leaders have to acknowledge this is happening or I really see many others recurring to violence as the only way they feel they can enact real change .
The riots , George Floyd , the killing in New York subway , and now Luigi Mangione and most importantly:
THE REACTION OF PEOPLE TO HIS ACTIONS , all speak of an immense frustration and hopelessness that at least I know I’ve felt,
and still feel right now …among many Americans .
I don’t think a single person could possible understand the deep disfunction in the entire healthcare system! I feel the simplest way to explain it is that patients quality of life seem to have no interest in this country!! The deep disconnect of how health care providers are taught compared to other countries who think about the whole body, etc, is astonishing! We are all set up to fail because I’m convinced there is literally no one who would even know how to fix it a tiny percentage! I’ve been misdiagnosed, butchered in surgery and have a very long issue getting my meds. And to ANYONE who thinks having money changes this- they are wrong! Who the hell actually wants to live longer while in pain?! The goal should be quality of life and teaching people how to handle their issues. Sometimes I wonder if that even enters a lot of doctors minds. Not to say it’s entirely their faults because of the healthcare taking up so much of their time! It’s almost criminal now much paperwork has to be dealt with.
The system is horribly terrible, no wonder someone had an extreme reaction! Not that I’m saying it’s ok to murder someone. Though- telling me all of sudden a few years back they would pay for my Wellbutrin anymore is a kind of murder!
There are soooo many very intelligent people out there!!! Someone fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!🥺
I have auto amune disorders which cause excruciating pain every day. Have had it for 22 years, but it'd be nice if they fixed it, but they won't.😢
Sounds like me in many ways. Lyme disease destroyed my life. Gave up my dream job had to battle immediate company in an insurance company. Lyme disease is called the great imitator for many reasons it imitates it is likely the root cause of many issues. There is a woman who wrote a book about. How we are losing a generation of children to tickborne illness because it is so hard to catch, and doctors are frankly ignorant. I’ll see if I can find her book and send it.
❤ I have it too. It's ruined so much.sending you warmth and gentleness.
You are being quite naive if you believe this next administration is going to do anything to fight corporate greed.
Say that out loud for everyone in the country to hear!
Hide and watch Catherine 🥂
The positive of this very sad story is ,that we speak more of corporate (human) greed.
I’ll have to disagree with Dr John on this.
Dr. John always comes through with an excellent take and breakdown of what he sees going on within the criminal mind. He always brings it right around and lands it with a parallel to a really good work of literature and for that....I am always so appreciative! There is no one comparable on youtube....or any media that I can find. The perfect mix of all the topics I'm fascinated with😊.
I have been diagnosed with clinical Lyme disease that went untreated for many years. I have brain fog and many other strange symptoms. These illnesses are real. I am a little pissed that you're saying it's psychosomatic. I love your channel but this bothers me.
Yes! He IS saying many actual physical issues are psychosomatic! It's ludacris and insulting! Especially, given how common many of the issues he brings up are.
Sounds like medical gaslighting.
This!
At 26 and a male, your impulse control is not fully developed. I was blessed at 26 to not have chronic pain. I don't know how I would have handled that maturity at 26. At 26, you should still be feeling invincible. I feel so frustrated at 63 with chronic pain. Yes, I have good days. I have days I cope. I mask my pain when I need to because not being there would take part of my soul away. I hate to go to the doctor when I am in pain. I don't like the doctor telling me they don't see something that I can feel and is affecting my day-to-day. I am not asking for drugs to mask. I am asking to have the ability to cope with my life again. I am asking to be able to enjoy my life. I hate having to weigh the cost ratio of my pain after doing something I want to do versus missing out and keeping my pain at a manageable level. At 63, that feels hellish. At 26, it would be beyond my mental capacity to cope.
Excellent point.
I understand the need to use “radicalized” as the impetus for Mangione to commit this crime, but as far as calling his ideas “radical,” i don’t see it. Many of us are thinking what he was thinking. Does agreeing with his ideas make us radical? Just writing his ideas off as radical thinking seems really simplistic and short sighted. Let’s talk about the psychopathy of someone who denies people medical care they paid for in order to give money to their friends (shareholders) and themselves. I would love Dr John to discuss the mental health of someone who can do this and sleep at night.
This
I understood that luigi was asked to lower his mask while checking in to that hostel, as the female requested only per the rules of the hostel. So she could ID his face to his license he gave her.
Yes they were flirting but if he needed to stay there it was required.
Read this online right after the shooting when the manhunt began. He had been spotted checking in prior to the shooting i believe- ive read / seen 100 aricles videos since then but i do remember wondering why he would have lowered his mask only that time- then i read the reason why
“What’s Our Problem” by Tim Urban is a book that Mangione replied on a Twitter post was the most important read of the 21st century. He even suggested it be a required read in high school. I haven’t read this book, but I think it would give us great insight into his mindset during the start of his radical thinking.
Mental Health has been neglected since the 80s in this country. And the Healthcare industry has a statistical table somewhere calculating cost of having a CEO assassinated once and awhile vs. profits loss of humane treatment and we all know profits win every time.
As Trevor Noah pointed out, BT was on his was to an investor meeting when he was k!lled, and the meeting STILL TOOK PLACE. Even they didn't care enough to postpone it.
Visual snow? Check into thyroid, diabetes or other insulin 'dysfunction' disorder, and connective tissue disorders.
As long as people keep saying it's psychological they don't look for physical reasons.
I can’t hardly keep listening to John’s opinions! They are incredibly archaic and ill informed. Why do many worship his take? 😡😡😡
@barbiekat6352 Too entrenched in his own opinions.
I understand your concern. I think it’s AND. He had serious health issues AND mental health issues. I have both. The mind and body are so connected.
Yay for this comment! They found a thread that when pulled gives them a potential angle. It’s disheartening and exhausting.
Thank you again for your coverage and analysis.
My whole life has been driven by limited access to healthcare. It defined when I started college, what jobs I took, and how entrenched I became in toxic workplaces. Friends stayed in abusive relationships because they needed their partners insurance. I've lost loved ones. Things need to change. I followed legal activism and tried to contribute for this change, and all I've reaped is despair.
I want nonviolent progress, but one of my heroes is John Brown. I am sure Dr John could give a fascinating psychological profile of John Brown. He killed men with families who were only cogs in an unjust system, but I don't think think you can deny he was on the right side of history. That vicious institution was not ended with nonviolence.
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So you want a healthcare system that does not financially infringe upon your ability to go to college and does not inflict upon you a possible toxic work environment. If you give nothing to this idealistic system you envision, who are you looking at to support it?
It's a crime to call someone who is sick crazy. They never get help and suffer all the time. Insomnia always comes with Lyme disease. Every Lyme doctor is a super sleep doctor. They have to be. It's also true that almost every Lyme doctor has Lyme eo actually understands Lyme patients. This is a very, very, very bad video. This killer is just that, and he needs justice. I also know many, many Lyme patients commit suiside. This is so very sad because Lyme is treatable, but it is also a fact that insurance companies reject treatment for Lyme.
I agree. The video bothered me so much that I unsubbed from this channel.
@@automnejoy5308 It's the only one I haven't been able to finish because it made me so angry.
@@automnejoy5308 I came for the comments .. i suspected its going to be bad.. did not let myself listen.
I don’t think he’s an incel. That’s conjecture without real evidence to back it up. He’s an attractive, well-educated, fit man who likely didn’t have issues attracting women. Perhaps his back injury and the bolts in his lower back prevent him from being physically intimate, but that doesn’t automatically make him an incel.
wow did he say that also.. do not agree with that at all.
Look at all the conversations that have been started because of this murder and the collective rage that has been given an outlet. It is often the case that only extreme actions provoke systemic change because quieter messages are ignored.
The only reason my husband and I are alive today is because I work for a large hospital that has excellent healthcare coverage for its employees. However, I hear horror stories every day from my family and friends who suffer from this broken system 😢
I have seen so many people saying “he had so much wealth he could have helped people that way”. We do not know anything about his personal finances! Just because you come from a wealthy family does not mean “you yourself has wealth”. Please people understand this!
This whole thing breaks my heart healthcare is broken in America I used to work in hospice I feel for this young man because of this he went to a dark place!
I really hate the uno reverse that youre intimating where the disease symptoms are made up to explain the underperformance rather than the performance being hindered by disease. Im not even saying that stress cant cause the expression of disease. But i think its medics not knowing enough about auto immune and auto inflammatory diseases that makes them suggest its like self sabotage or whatever you said. "We dont know what disease process is causing that so you must be making it up." No, not as often as you think, anyway. I was told for 25 years my severe symptoms that ruined my life were psycho somatic. I couldn't even get a scan because my drs notes were full of this crap from age 11. Age 35 a new dr finally did mri and woukdnt you know it my pelvis is fused and my spine is partly fused and wholly a train wreck.
And my symptoms were spinal pain, nerve pain, connective tissue pain, sciatica, muscle and joint problems, digestive problems, brain fog, fatigue, insomnia etc. Ankylosing spondylitis is in the same family as ulcerative colitis, linked to chrones, in the same family as psoriatic arthritis. It's systemic, degenerative, affects everything, makes any other conditions worse, etc. And is wildly under and late diagnosed.
@@angeladee8789 feel so bad for you! You'll be in my prayers 🙏
100% on the uno reverse (and I will be respectfully stealing that phrase from you now). I have a friend who's been through soooo much and still is ongoing but at one time when she finally got what was supposed to be a quick surgery, she was opened up and the doctor was so horrified by what he found and it turned into a 6 hour surgery and he did actually apologize then for all who had dismissed her. But that was just one in a continuous line of "we don't know what it could be so you must just be faking."
I love how you always open with “hello hidden gem’s!” Love you Lauren. 🫶
He took the mask down because she asked him to for ID purposes.
Thanks for this coverage! I work with people with chronic pain. I like the work of Alan Gordon “The Way Out” to address the fear that can come up with pain. I agree that we need change in the “health”(profit)care system…I also work with kids who have lost parents to violence…and that is a lifelong grief and pain I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
We need a national health service like in Europe .
I continue to be surprised by the wave of support Luigi has been getting. I think the majority of people who defend his deeper feelings don't approve of what he did which was a ghastly crime and unconscionable. But I think people are sympathizing with the conditions that drove into this act and made him just completely lose it. I'm glad to see this and I'm glad to see that people are not quick to call him psychotic or somehow a deviant this guy was not Ted kaczynski He's not a terrorist and against all humans. He strictly had an issue with the health care in this country. That distinction needs to be recognized. I do feel for the family of Brian Thompson and all the tragedy that this has brought on. But I also sympathize with Luigi and all the tragedy in his life that drove him to this horrible act
Children can have back pain due to scoliosis.
The HMO laughs & mocks the child...... until they cough up the moola..
What good is a child if they don't pay.... right. After all this is Merica!
Capitalists love whinging about "The Christmas Carol" for their own seasonal profit, while ignoring the msg of Dickens.
I want to see a stage play titled: Bryan and Luigi. Dr John, you could write that script. Just Bryan and Luigi having a prison chat about their philosophies and motivations.
Until the Citizens United ruling is overturned, we will continue to suffer at the hands of lawmakers who were bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporations. I’m not sure how we can change that, but I’m open to ideas.
yes this.
I think it's a runaway train, "absolute power corrupts absolutely." (John EED Acton). Corporations now own all branches of the government, including the supreme court. Checks and balances are gone, nothing will stop them from further centralizing power, changing the constitution to remain in power. Unfortunately, revolution may be the only way. Or letting the system completely collapse so it can be rebuilt.
Didn't he also pull down his mask because the clerk said she "needed to see his smile" to ID him? Match his face to his ID.
He lived in a co-op Dr.! They are called co-ops, not communes these days. They are only kind of similar to communes. Communes often have negative connotations such as Spawn Ranch and Jonestown. Co-ops are not the same thing.
Easy sunshine.
Sunshine lol @@Enjoythepour
@@Enjoythepour JC! Get a hobby pal!
@@shellzbeach Yes, his wit is just hilarious.
So Americans have to live in a society that provides easy access to guns to those with mental issues
It’s really a dangerous situation
Most other places on earth don’t
Dr John I appreciate so much your perspective I’m a therapist but also worked in hospice and healthcare and I’m fascinated by the psychology behind why people to do crimes..if I were younger, I would have gone back to get forensic psychology degree thank you!
John mentions the scapegoating of the healthcare industry. Remember we don't know the extent to what Luigi's Healthcare problems were. Maybe he was pushed to have this back surgery and deeply regretted it and blamed the doctors . American doctors in general are quick to always want to do surgeries instead of more conservative options, and yes there is a financial incentive to do surgeries. Maybe Luigi was misdiagnosed? I have heard so many horror stories from people that regret having spinal surgery done as it does not erase the pain and in some instances makes it worse
Luigi had. Physical brain impairment from spinal injuries, it’s coming for spinal nerves directly connected to the brain can affect one’s mood behavior and judgment
Riiight
I hope he gets the help he needs in prison.
@ in a couple of years he will need surgery for his spine again because this disks screws waste the disks and you need to anchor more disks it’s not good at all to do this spine disks fixtures there is no going back from it and unfortunately no better surgery is currently viable yet for anyone. Sleeping 🛌 in prison mattresses will make Luigi so ill with back pain I feel sorry for him
Love that hair colour, Lauren! Really suits you.
Dr. John such a compelling assessment. I really appreciate the woven complexity made in a story-like narrative, that you have brought to us today to explain this facinating case.
Thanks Lauren and Dr. John. I appreciate your time and knowledge on all these cases. You’re both Rock.
It wasn't "indiscriminate." It was incredibly precise. Trevor Noah commented that he Reaganomics'd the one most responsible for the most number of people harmed in hopes that the effect would trickle down. I understand people not being comfortable with his choice, but it wasn't indiscriminate at all. He didn't walk into a school or a mall or concert or church and just start firing wildly in all directions because he's upset. He didn't k!ll someone who was innocent. I get that we don't want random people doing this, but/however no one calls it m*rder when a country takes out a foreign actor. No one calls it m*rder when someone is sentenced to death and dies on death row. Why are we OK if a government makes the decision instead of a person?
The trevor noah podcast covering this case was excellent
Dr John. I love your clinical insight. I would encourage you to research the role of Lymes on the psyche. His IBS seems like his bodies response to the trauma of witnessing his mother in uncontrollable pain. Sometimes it’s upsetting when you say psychosomatic. The body reacts to trauma. Mind and body are not separate. Love your work. Thanks for sharing it with us.
The mother in pain story is a fabrication
@@JackieOlantern There's a lot we don't know, so rumors abound. I had also read that it wasn't his mother but female family member who was unnamed. Eventually these details will be clear, but for me it's not that important. People are expressing sympathy to him because of their experiences. This is really about all these people telling how they've been harmed by the insurance industry and seeing that there are so many more who are feeling a similar thing. It's jarring for some of them who looked to this channel expecting a measured response, and maybe heard, instead are hearing a lot of judgement and distancing remarks. For instance, we know absolutely zero about Luigi's love life, and yet John has decided it's the root of his motivation in killing the CEO. Preposterous.
He identified a grand gesture to make his last actions count. He is at very high risk of self-harm.
I was thinking that as well. Once all the “media frenzy” dust settles, I wonder what he’ll be thinking. 💔
I don't think it's self "harm" if you are actually doing the only thing you can to stop the pain when nothing else does. And in prison they are not at all going to care to try to treat his back pain.
Dr. John, you hit the nail on the head, point after point. I love listening to you. Thank you for sharing your insights. And thank you, Lauren! I appreciate all your coverage. What a great channel!
I agree.