Muldrotha, the Gravetide: Self-Mill | Commander Tune-Ups #84
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2025
- We're upgrading a Muldrotha self-mill deck in today's episode! Get ready for dredge, sacrifice, mill, and lots of instant-wins!
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I loved the video, but just a quick suggestion for someone who is new to magic and still learning the cards. The ADD and CUT text was covering up part of the cards, could you move it below them next time? You guys rock and I’m giving you feedback because I want you to be even better! Thanks!
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ghostform is one of the best ways to protect muldrotha and she is a lightningrood for removel.
Wait Muldrotha's a she?! You learn something new everyday
@@bye1551 yes she is. Just read the flavor Text.
As a dedicated muldrotha player I must absolutely agree on this one! When I saw that they cut I was like whaaaaat. That's one of the best cards in the deck and even is a piece of some combos
Kaya's Ghostform? Without combos it's definitely still extremely good. That word 'exile' really makes it a good protection spell.
Yeah they're wrong on that one. Muldrotha is a KOS commander and protecting her is important.
Kaya's ghostform also very easily goes infinite with muldrotha and the altar
I actually JUST pulled a full art foil Muldrotha from my 2XM box, lol. I had a spare Women's Day Meren I tucked in as well and decided to build her. Good timing boys.
Mine was regular foil and then i started inmedatly building her after upgrading my other decks.
VERY jealous of you lol I was hoping to pull one in mine but I didn't
Okay, all good tips as always, but I love the little back and forth you have on Doom Whisperer. "Oh, don't worry about it, who on Earth is gonna pay thirty life?" I answered immediately, "Me." Seriously, any deck I've ever built would pay thirty life if there were a payoff that fit the commander, like Doom Whisperer for Muldrotha. A win is a win, whether I'm at one life or one hundred.
just want to say that I really enjoy your channel. Even when I don't necessarily agree with some opinions, I find your explanations to be not only clear and concise, but also not wishy-washy. Keep up the good work y'all.
Mistakes were made here Kaya ghost form lets you go infinite with moldrotha in a multitude of ways with a sac outlet. double etb effects on dorks protection for mold. You dont need phyrexian altar if you have lotus petal but it goes real infinite if you do. Seal of removal is an allstar its cheap removal that can be abused every turn with moldrotha out, the threat of activation every turn cycle means you can react to your opponents save moldry from targeted removal etc etc. Blood artist affects are just okay like you said we are a self mill deck we arent going to win with damage from blood artist. Moldy is aristocrat adjacent but it isn't one i would cut them.
Hudson, YOU DID IT!!!!
Cards I really like for Muldrotha:
Pattern of Rebirth
Defense of the Heart
Rootcoil Creeper
Oriq Loremage
Muldrotha was my first ever commander
Currently love running her as a turbo self mill primal surge permanents only no tutors deck
W for Hudson! Also, the infinite is 4 cards as it requires Mikaeus, Muldrotha, Kaya’s Ghostform, and Pitiless Plunderer. The nice thing about Ghostform is it also refreshes Muldrotha, so I can play a bunch more cards from the grave again. But I love the upgrades guys! I very much look forward to torturing my playgroup with this new deck ;) Thank you so much!
I literally just finished building a Muldrotha deck YESTERDAY
It's funny that you cut Jarrad's Orders because I put it in on your recommendation 3 years ago and cut it for Buried Alive.
With some T1 ramp you can Buried Alive T2 for combo pieces and dredge creatures. One of the best setups you can perform.
Also I just want to say if you're playing ANY MDFC lands, and you should have Bala Ged Recovery and Agadeem's Awakening for sure, then one bounce land is a really good complement.
Play Agadeem's Awakening to bring back your board>>play Agadeem the Undercrypt as a tapped land>>play a bounce land so you can Agadeem's again. Value baby!
Fantastic self-mill card is Mirror-Mad Phantasm. Always my go-to for self mill in blue!
16:20 the only place i would recommend varragoth is in a vaevictis asmadi the dire deck because then it becomes 5 mana tutor whatever you want onto the battlefield
@@F4xP4s i mean i'd consider him there but even then unlike vaevictis you're not getting the immediate value and unlike an actual vamp tutor you do need either extra draw or to wait a whole go around the table to get what you want making him a worse demonic tutor.
One of my favorite ways to turbo-mill myself is Hogaak plus Greater Good (with dredge cards). 😂
👀 I just pulled this card!
From Double Masters?? IT’S A SIGN!
Kaya’s ghostform goes infinite with lotus petal. Sac Muldrotha to altar of dementia, she comes back as a new object that no longer counts the permanents you’ve cast from graveyard already. So recast lotus petal to Ghostform infinitely, mill yourself or just all your opponents infinitely.
What a coincidence, I was just thinking of building a Muldrotha deck last night with the one sitting in my binder
Dredge cards are some of my favorite in the game. I wish there was even more of it.
I love these! So much inspiration ib these videos
I need Seal of Removal! It's a quick free reusable unsummon. I've been using an artifact on MTGA but it cost 1U+sac to activate. It's free defense and one of the only ways to defend against certain win cons. Kaya's Ghostform is one of the best protection spells and Muldrotha needs it. It can also protect plainswalkers and even brings them back after they spend al l their loyalty so they can be activated again! Of course it can also help combo with cards included in your deck but it's been randomly useful in strange situations I couldn't foresee unless I had it when I needed it.
One my favorite if not the most favorite commander!
Dang Joe Cherries lookin good!
And to @Hudson 👍 and best of luck to you in HS
Daaaamn! Gread work, Boys!
This is the deck that wants Lotus Petal. I promise.
Isn't the opposite of F in the chat a "W"?
Seven and a half minutes in and this video is screaming for disclaimer guy!! Somebody cast reanimate, I’m all tapped out!
Mikaeus + Altar + anything with persist. My chosen favorite is Glen elandra. Have almost unlimited counterspells and doubles as a great alternate win-con.
This was one of my first decks a few years ago I haven’t done a great job keeping it updated and find it an extremely tough deck to make cuts out of
It’s my birthday 🎉 🎂 thank you!
Kaya’s ghostform is the only cut I would disagree with here. It is probably the single best costed protection piece for our commander - and it combos off with everything lol. Pitiless plunderer, lotus petal, phyrexian alter- probably many more. Pair it with anything that can get you black mana and you have infinite dies triggers, etb triggers and infinite mulldrotha instances to play permanents from the graveyard 🪦
Something I think that is often overlooked with Muldrotha too is that even if you don’t have anything great in the graveyard or infinite black mana to recast Kaya’s Ghostform- you can still use muldrotha’s instances to play 4 or five lands out from the graveyard and ramp yourself 4-5 turns 😂
I really enjoy the tune up decks thanks for the content. Quick question, where y'all going to do a deck upgrade for the baulders gate commander precons? Your henzi one was my favorite and am interested what you would do with exit from exile and party time
11:01 I actually kept Angel of Suffering in my deck due to my local meta, lots of combat spell slinging decks around and it feels good to tank and self-mill my way to victory (one time, taking 30 damage... milling 60... defiinitely won there)
What's the opposite of "F" E? T?
Anyway, I'm hyped to watch this because I picked up Muldrotha and Mimeoplasm from double masters.
Can you guys do a tune up for my Niv-Mizzet Parun deck? I'm basically going for the normal draw a ton of cards and deal out damage, then return my graveyard to my deck rinse and repeat
Excellent video definitely a commander I want to build.
I'd like to add Spore frog to this deck.. I know The NN aren't big on fog effects or frogs apparently, but in my opinion it is too cool of a synergy to leave out.
Only disagreement is with seal of removal. That card always gains value by bouncing op commanders that immediately affect the board like paco, prosper, jetmir etc.
hey, just two cents from someone who’s played shigeki, jukai visionary in a graveyard deck - because of the return to hand ability, and because it doesn’t have haste, i’ve found shigeki to be really really slow. it ends up being 2 mana, wait a turn, 2 mana, mill three and get a land, 2 more mana, pass turn, and repeat. it’s fine late game if you need a mana sink, and the channel ability can be really nice sometimes, but i can’t imagine muldrotha needs a mana sink as much as my stupid little nethroi deck did since you can actually use muldrotha to cast from the graveyard, and there are plenty of cards better than shigeki for the channel ability. it’s flexible, and it’s fun to play with - i’d definitely consider running it, if it seems fun to you, and seeing if it works well in your deck - but i actually ended up cutting it from my deck in order to put skull prophet in, which i’ve found almost always does what i would want shigeki to do faster and without as much mana. that’s just what i think, but obviously my commander is different than yours, and the nerds do have good points - just something i felt like bringing up. :)
Isn't one of the points of Kaya's Ghostform that you can enchant a planeswalker you need to keep around, and with Muldrotha out you can recast it from the graveyard at least once each of your turns to keep the planeswalker around?
From my understanding.. can't elixir of immortality be good
If someone does graveyard hate you could tap to kinda protect your yard?
Top cards for muldrotha in my opinion: dauthi void walker, phantasmal image, kayas ghostform, mesmeric orb, journey to eternity, underealm lich, pernicious deed, world shaper, greater good.... The list of goes on.
Some fun cards to try: metamorphic alteration abusing the leg. Rule as removal and later beefing up a woodelves. Lower power pendrell Flux. And elemental resonance as ramp(you can enchant opponents big permanents, that you anyways want to die, so it can be ramp or an instanive for your opponents to kill that stuff you are enchanting to.)
I built this deck when Muldrotha dropped. It's strong when everyone leaves you alone and beats up on each other. Once others know your plan they just kill you while you set up. It's just a tad too slow, but if you get set up you just win off of the value
Taking Kaya's Ghostform out of a muldrota deck is flat out wrong. Bloodgasht and nether traitor are leagues worst cards in that deck.
I just updated my landfall deck to muldrotha!
Can you do one with gyruda as a companion to make it challenging
Cards That Are The Best Boy
-Mulldrifter
Cards I Think Would Be Neat
-Dance of Many
-Phantasmal Image/Clever Impersonator
-Body Double/The Mimeoplasm
-Young/Doomed Necromancer
-Wavesifter
-Nevermaker
-Raven's Crime
Cards No One Likes But Muldrotha
-Stasis
-Parallax Tide
-Spore Frog
Is this the optimal version of muldrotha or just a memey version ? Im a beginner
It's very difficult to make an optimal deck in the abstract, because every meta is different and every player prioritizes different aspects of the experience. Is this optimal to win? No- it can be powered up significantly for $$$. Do the cards work towards your Commander's strengths and flow well? Probably!
Does elixir work with konrad? Mightve been why it was there.
It’s there for graveyard hate protection
You are going to miss that elixir when 2/3 of you deck gets exiled with bojuka bog....
kayas ghost form, lotus petal, altar of dementia, muldrotha infinite mill
👍 congratulations 🎉
Gonna say that drowned rusulka isn't necessary since it only interacts with 4 cards in the deck
Joe loves himself some Muldrotha
Hogaak + altar of dementia is bonker Mill strategy. Just delve the ones that are not graveyard synergies
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LOTUS PETAL! THE KAYA COMBO IS LOTUS PETAL
I'm really thinking of gettin a Dream Halls for my muldrotha, I dont like thassa or jayce as wincons (my table is not the most competitive) and I love way too much the discard + dredge mechanic.
When are we gonna get baldurs gate prevlcon upgrades
I thought I was bad at deckbuilding but seeing someone include an Elixir of Immortality in a Muldrotha deck makes me feel a bit better
I ran it in mine, saved me from gravehate tons of times. I'd rather shuffle my stacked yard in than get it exiled with wincons and all...
👍 Go Hudson! Woo hoo!
Amber is the fucking best!! We need a little more car butt in out lives 😂
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You guys are wrong about kayas ghostform muldrotha gets targeted by spot removal all the time you need to be able to protect her
Generally good cuts, but cutting Seal of Removal was bad advice. Also Angel of Suffering can be good depending on the meta, if beatdown is a legit threat then the card gets much better. It is basically a thing you can play from your yard that prevents you from being attacked.
I play a very similar deck and angel of suffering is a key card imo
WTG HUDSON!!!!
I’ve actually found that I don’t like ThOracle, because I’m milling myself out by dredging, so it’s hard to get my deck to exactly zero without drawing more. I actually do run Lab Man, instead.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Unless you are decking yourself through drawing many cards at once Thoracle is strictly better. If you're dredging you are actively replacing drawing cards so losing shouldn't be an issue. Also, Thoracle doesn't need for your deck to be zero cards, it needs it to be less than two or three. If you could elaborate why you need LabMan instead that'd be nice because I'm very confused why you want him instead.
@@anonymoususer5351 ThOracle is great when you have complete control over when you get to zero (or few enough) cards in your library AND can stop. But I am often in the situation that I am going to draw passed my last card. Maybe I had to go to my end step with eight cards in my hand with Dakmor Salvage and Gitrog (I run things like Animate Dead, because it’s an enchantment that gets me a creature), or I’m looping Hogaak with Greater Good. Also, I run the Lasav that can become a creature in your graveyard, because sometimes I need two different creatures in one turn. Lasav allows me to do that.
@@crawdaddy1234 aight those situations help clarify your stance. I'm still not entirely sure I'd ever consider dropping Thoracle but your reasoning makes sense.
Hapless Researcher could be another Drowned Rusalka
To me Buried Alive looks better than Bastion of Rememberence, but I could be wrong there.
W for Hudson
I find self mill decks pretty boring, its just not something i find enjoyable. I found some of these hilarious because as a permanent based deck you were switching them out for sorceries and instants. I did love your recommendation for shugeki didnt even think about slapping that in
If someone else makes changes to ur deck, it's no longer your own build. Might as well net-deck
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how are we protecting the queen tho
I play a muldrotha spellslinger deck 😂😂
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Lmao 7:30
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(after watching) did I miss the midroll add completely? I don't think I saw one at all
Unrest beacon is better then return dead
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One of the most annoying commanders to be made
Gratz Hudson 👍
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