A (very) breif historical analysis of Voor de Kroon's units
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- A super brief analysis of the arms and armor in the new early access game: Voor de Kroon, i mostly only pointed out anything that i deemed innaccurate which is why the video is so short, i look forward to this game being further developed as it's not the most polished and entertaining game to play at the moment but it has lots of potential especially for people who like historically accurate medieval games like myself.
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I’m pretty sure a few of the great helms they are wearing are from the late 12th century too
I'd MUCH rather a few faceplate helms and proto-great helms which are perhaps 40years out of fashion, than the game being flooded with the typical 14th century greathelm which gets thrown into everything medieval (especially when the mid 13th has that iconic weird looking version of its own. Lol).
I agree with you on the nasels on knights (wouldn't bother me on sergeants and bellow in small numbers) but bowls and flat tops definitely appear heavily in art, as do bare mail coifs (they might be wearing a secret underneath). And of course it's possible those bowls were worn under a greathelm which was removed for visibility/comfort.
Tbh im in agreement.
Yea i know they do that in every game set in the 13th century or with 13th century troops (im assuming your talking about the larger/later early 14th century great helms and sugarloafs), there are some things they still need to fix in this game but i have faith that they'll get around to it sooner or later (hopefully sooner)
2:00 most of the knights aren''t wearing their own heraldry as well
Yeah I forgot to mention that, it kind of bugs me I wish they gave them like randomized historical Dutch heraldries that belonged to Dutch nobles and knights
I'm not 100% as I researched the 12th much more heavily than the 13th...
At the start of the 13th while the flat top kite was probably fairly common, there are still lots of illustrations of knights or fighting men with more round toped kite shields (though perhaps broader than the old teardrops). So it seems reasonable to give it to lower tiers of troops.
I also don't believe the spearman's pavise (the squared shield you mentioned) would have come into popularity in the region for some time yet, though I do remember seeing some blunted thick pointed kites which could perhaps be seen as a transitional form.
Indeed one of my big pet peeves is the erasure of the transitional kites from modern media, and the fact that many were probably in use at about the same time with regional or individual preferences.
Kites have a lot of variations in the 12th century. Some seem to be short and broad. Some have a wide oval lower point. And an awful lot either full out in the belly, or go flat (ish some just have a very broad low curve) top. Before transitioning (mostly getting shorter, but also loosing their taper until the lower 1/4 or so) into the classic heater.
And yes in contemporary art you do also see a lot of mail coifs with no helm. It's possible they are wearing a 'secret' (basically a skullcap which may have been worn under mail given frequent illustrations of knights wearing one while their coif is pushed back off their head).
I would cite sources but it's been more than 10 years since I did a significant amount of research on the topic and my brain has been pretty frazzled since then. Lol.
It could be possible for a middle class man at arms to use an infantryman's shield for extra protection but i think they probably would have stopped making cavalry kite shields by this period.
Also its a little hard to tell if they actually chose to go without a helmet (although we can get pretty close judging by the practicality - or lack thereof) because it depicts knights and esquires without helmets really often actually in the manuscripts, its a really bad idea to keep off your great helm on the battlefield although so i dont think it would have been very common at the very least especially if said man at arms can afford a helmet.
Also to address the latter point of that paragraph: about the skullcaps yea i know what you mean and now that i think of it i was probably thinking that it should look like the ones worn with skullcaps/cervellieres beneath and less so to do with the padding, another interesting thing to point out is you dont often see maille coifs worn without (what looks to be) a skullcap underneath except for in the earlier periods before skullcaps were used, you can kind of see why as well.
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Forgive me but you sound like your 18-20? I also THINK you use the word think too much to call this a historical analysis. And please forgive my ignorance, but what makes you an expert? I looked at your about to see if you had a Masters of Arts in medieval warfare, so help me here.
Let me clarify, I am not trying to throw shade, I want to know if YOU are accurate, and at least putting credentials on your about might ease that for others in the future.
You have only my word if you don’t know enough about the topic to confirm
I didn’t say I was an expert, and this might change (or explain) things a lot: I’m quite a bit younger even, I’m only 15 actually, I’m not quite an expert or anything of the sort I just have enough interest in historical warfare to never get bored of learning about it, even if I say so myself I am pretty knowledgeable depending on the time period or topic in question, I say so confidently because if someone were to test my knowledge I would do quite well, nowadays if you have enough interest in anything you can learn all there is to know about it thanks to the internet
And if it’s true that you’re not trying to throw shade, then why do you wish to inquire? Not calling you a liar, just curious is all