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- The Baltimore Ravens have the 3rd-best odds of winning the Super Bowl after this offseason. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes discuss whether or not the Ravens are overrated or underrated, and if they can get over the playoff hump with Lamar Jackson.
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Titans will win Super Bowl 59 20-0 titanup
Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals bills, Eagles, and Cowboys. They will not make the playoffs this year.
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Everybody gets credit for losing to the Chiefs accept for Lamar.
Except*
@@MikaylaSkillen If Lamar actually played well against the Chiefs, he would get credit for playing well.
@@MikaylaSkillen maybe because Baltimore was the one team to defensively slow down Mahomes.
But their MVP QB had 7 points in 55 minutes.
*except. It's really not that complicated.
Lamar looked terrible in that game. The final scoreline looked pretty close but the levels between mahomes and lamar felt massive. Joe burrow and josh Allen all felt like they belong in the same conversation as Mahomes
I am a Chiefs fan, and I can say no, the Ravens are not overrated . That is a good football team in a very competitive AFC North.
Thank you. I agreed with Nick throughout the video until he got to that point.
@@henlo1910 Their defense was elite last year. They offense was decent.
HOF HC and good defense helps.
But will that defense be as good without their coordinator
@@Ryan-wx1bithe ravens defense was nice before him. Thats their culture.
You know Nick hates the Ravens when he says he trusts the Bills more.
😂
I think most people do though, to be fair. More so because the ceiling of Josh is higher than Lamar.
Even if Baltimore is such a well better coached and run team.
@@thatstheway2429no they dont
@@thatstheway2429 If the Ravens played the Bills last year instead of the Chiefs, the Ravens would have beaten them. Because Josh Allen's playstyle which is being a high-risk taker, plays right into the hands of the Ravens defense, and the Bills did not have the defense front that the Chiefs have.
@@thatstheway2429 I say that more so because Nick definitely does not trust Buffalo.
Allen's far better and wins more in the playoffs.
Nick wright also said we wasn’t gonna be in the playoffs last year 😂
That doesnt make what he said in this video wrong
@@blackanimelover18 yes it does. Why not man up and admit you were wrong. Lamar actually surpassed his expectations. There's like 10 videos on this channel with him saying Lamar won't make the playoffs, win MVP, or make it to the AFCCG. He did all of that
@@jdajayi92 And yet he still underperformed when it mattered most...
@@BasicBodThor so has everyone not named Mahomes. Lamar's not the best playoff QB but according to you and Nick (and other racists) he should be a WR and quit now so you can sleep peacefully knowing a hood black guy can't win the SB.
@@jdajayi92 it still has nothing to do with what he says in this video
Lamar playoff resume is overstated a little
He was like the 2nd youngest QB to ever start a playoff game in his 8th start
The loss against the Titans he had 8 drops from his receivers also was 21
He was hurt for like 2 straight yrs and then goes to the AFC championship. He has to be better but he’s also getting better
His teammates have to be healthier & better as well. In majority of his post season games, multiple key players were hurt.
Injuries are part of the game especially by week 18+, if he is on the field... You can't use that cop out
Also drops are always a mixed bag because part of that is accuracy of the QB
If you look at certain WRs their drop % changes based on who is throwing them the ball
@@mobrocket most of the other QBs in the league always have their best guys heathy in January. That hasn’t been the case in Baltimore. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen always have their best guys healthy playing in the post season. The Chiefs don’t beat Baltimore without Kelce & Pacheco.
@@Finnissee0122
What are u talking about? The Ravens had the #1 seed & had the Bye. Mahomes, Kelce & Pacheco played the Wild Card & the Divisional games.
@@Finnissee0122
Yet another classic Lamar apologist.
It's always excuses, it's never that Lamar has bad decision making or he played bad
Every time it's someone else's fault
Usually hate when Nick talks about the Ravens bc his Chiefs bias is obvious but his take on Lamar is fair. 8 has a lot to prove , the regular season for him doesn’t matter anymore. Solely comes down to the playoffs.
What I hate as a Ravens fan is that last season was tailor made for us to get past KC, & we didn’t do it.
He had his chance
@@bo0gi3 that’s what peyton manning was too for a while 🤷♂️ lamar will get his ring eventually
On fundamentally our worst season since we've have Pat 😂
Mahomes has lost twice his entire time(once in the SB) & once to Joe Burrow(who can’t beat the ravens) so what has any AFC QB proved?????
They weren’t healthy on offense.
Why is none of this criticism on JOHN HARBAUGH? He inherited a championship defense and routinely failed in the playoffs…. The RAVENS were going to fire him UNTIL Lamar stepped in and took them to the playoffs
the same reason it isn’t on McCarthy or McDermott. coach cant play the game. coach didn’t throw into triple coverage in the endzone against the Chiefs. best player, most money, most credit for wins has to also take the most responsibility for losses. Lamar gotta do better in the playoffs, it’s that simple
Harbaugh didn’t throw a pick into triple coverage or fumble three times. Stop it.
In the AFC Championship, Harbaugh trusted his MVP quarterback to make throws and he didn't.
Soooo now just delete this comment. Cause these other guys explained why.
@@miamimercenary9623 that ravens team is not in the playoffs with any other QB… if lamar had weapons like burrow he has two rings by now… look at the game the zay fumble changed everything it made Lamar desperate. Look at the divisional loss against the bills… Goat Tucker missed two chip shot FGs. Lamar desperate again throws a pick we lose. Context matters.
This is hilarious to me cause no one expected the ravens to be as good as they were last year
How many Ravens fans took comfort in that after the loss in the AFC Championship game?
Broussard and many others picked them to win the chip last year, really every them the chiefs & 49ers are the favorites
Yeah it’s insane. No really BIG changes. The Ravens still have they foundational pieces. Go Ravens!!!!
@@z-mane1438 well brou had them losing in the sb until philly fell apart then switched
I think the ravens being the only team in there division to have there qb healthy helped with that
Lamar opinions have always been extreme, it’s nothing new. Also just an fyi Nick thought the Ravens were going to MISS THE PLAYOFFS last year
Why nobody talking about Jon Harbaugh and what he contributed to the team smh ???
John Harbaugh trusted his MVP quarterback to be able to throw. What is wrong with that?
Because he has a resume that matches Mike Tomlin…
@@carguysunited8186He doesnt coach the game, thats the problem
@@roykeane1922 It’s a lot closer to Mike McCarthy
@@northside4767 all 3 of them are actually quite similar
Nick said the Ravens wouldn’t even make the playoffs tho.
Ravens fans if you want to see what happened just watch Kurt Warners film study. These dude never touched a football.
That’s exactly what I did. Kurt does a great analysis
@@javinlawrence7326 he does, Lamar and the Ravens will be much better in year two and I’m excited about this new o line being stronger to deal with teams like the Chiefs and Henry is great at pass protection.
Justice Hill was awful at pass protection in that game.
@@bankslaw8900they lost key pieces. They won’t be better. The defense carried them.
@@Evilminiature 🤔 the Ravens had a top scoring offense last year and that’s with Andrews and Jk being hurt
😂😭nick who ain't play football was right bout ravens bills Miami all season 😭ND right bout kc every year 😭Kurt sped u listen to a guy who pick stupid teams to win ND make dumb takes that's proven wrong by the end of the postseason 😂
Anybody who watched the games can clearly see when the Ravens get into the playoffs. They try to make Lamar Dan Marino. Then you wander why conspiracy theories exist
You mean good defenses don’t let the ravens run ? 🤣🤡
@@balleraap007 it's easy when they don't even try to run
@@davidsimmons3391 why would you run against a stacked box and not use your 50 million dollar Qb? Oh wait cause he’s f ing rb pretending to be a Qb hahahaha
@@balleraap007 you can say what you please. But you pass the ball 82% of the time in the RAIN. Even little league coaches know to run the ball in bad weather. 😂
@@davidsimmons3391 I’m saying you’re low iq if you think this rb at Qb will ever win anything
“I don’t think something can happen every single year and be a coincidence.” “Except for Purdy’s performance over the last two years.” -Nick Wright
The issue with lamar is, he let everybody get in his head. Instwad of playing "HIS" game and running when he could, he tried to sit in the pocket to prove everybody wrong and he did good in the regular season but came playoff time when those recievers got clamped, instead of running he just kept forcing throws. You notice against houston, they were putting up a fight until lamar started using his legs and broke the game wide open. I have no clue why he wouldn't run more against the chiefs. They literally refused to run the ball against the chiefs. It was mind boggling.
Dared the rb playing Qb to throw
He tried to out do mahomes at his own game
To be fair that rb would have had more tds than mahomes if zay didnt fumble the ball.@balleraap007
@@webringthebooms yawn 🥱
You say the Ravens are overrated every year, Nick. Last year you said they wouldn't make the playoffs, lol.
@@TC-gx3qn Nick thinks that getting closer to the Super Bowl and losing gives you worse odds next year for some reason. He’s doing the same thing with the Niners.
Exactly
@@donovan4222 Lol, funny math and don't forget adding Derrick Henry. 😏
They are overrated. Saying they'll miss playoffs isn't smart, but they definitely aren't SB contenders until Lamar can prove he won't choke in the playoffs like he'd done literally every time he'd made it.
@@brittzank8987 So they aren’t Super Bowl contenders until they win the Super Bowl? Did Lamar choke in the playoffs against the Texans, who nick ranks ahead of the ravens?
I swear I want Lamar to win a Super Bowl so badly I can't put into words
They will find other reason. you have no idea how many times goal post has been moved for this man
before the AFCCG, Nick literally said "Ravens would only win the SB because Pat had a down year and Burrow was injured". They were literally READY to discredit him even if he won the superbowl. My friends, this is a racism-driven media that can't let a hood guy from Florida be a pure champion
They've won 2 while the Browns win none calm down
Last year was the year to do it
@@shawnshady3901 huh?
Nicks favorite topics : lakers , Rodgers , Lamar
chiefs
@@MarvyG23 oh no they come up everytime he speaks about Lamar
He loves shitting on Josh Allen way more than praising or critiquing Lamar
@@alejandroberrios4756 I’ll give u that it’s close tho
@@alejandroberrios4756 agreed, he hates Allen more than anything.
Hey the D plays close to the same level they did last year,Lamar and Derrick stay healthy and play good football they got a very good chance of winning
If dak and Kirk put up mvp numbers in season and constantly choke in the post season and we call them playoff chokers Lamar needs to be in that list as well now
Name a JJ, Zek, Lamb that Lamar has played with
@@trueson5351 Ravens have one of the best defenses and offensive lines every year, and nobody has spent more draft resources on WR's than the Ravens over the last 5 years. Maybe no receiver has popped because Lamar isn't a good enough passer to support a top 5 receiver
@@therick8248Ravens Oline was rotating tackles mid game the whole 2nd half of the season. Lamar made everyone look good besides Linderbaum
@@therick8248 Name one of those WR that didn't come in with an injury...u either a hater or ill informed
@@therick8248you didn't watch the games if you think the Oline was good smdh. 8 was back there fighting for his life. Yall just go off PFF grades and think yall know what yall talking about. And if that defense was that good they would have stopped the chiefs from converting on 4th down THREE times in a championship game
Harden does choke in the playoffs, however him playing the warriors being considered choking is crazy. He averages 30 ppg in those series and played the “greatest team of all time” the best out of any player ever.
Thank you
He also lost in an elimination home game to a Spurs team missing Kawhi. And the Blazers. There’s no shame in his playoff loss to OKC in his first year as a Rocket, nor his loss to the eventual champion Lakers in the bubble (although he was bad in that series as well). But his loss to the Warriors in 2019 came without KD for most of the second half of game 5 and all of game 6 (in another elimination game at Houston). And he was awful in back-to-back elimination games as a Sixer to the Heat in ‘21 and the Celtics in ‘22 (neither of those opponents went on to win a title in those seasons). I won’t even count his Brooklyn run against him due to injuries and Kyrie’s vaccine-saga, but nothing in his playoff history suggests that he would’ve for sure been great for them minus the injuries. Harden’s playoff struggles have been about WAY more than just his battles with Golden State.
You mention his 30 point average but not when he has 11 points in a game 7 😭😭 you people never mention the context
@@redz8274 he scored 32 game 7 vs the warriors buddy
@@brandoncrockett9266 i literally started the statement with he does choke in the playoffs
Ravens abandon their game plan the moment they fall behind in the playoffs instead of trusting their D
Nothing wrong with abandoning game plan if you figure out a better plan . Thats the problem .... coaching adjustments
Lamar only proved what people, including myself, have been concerned about for years. It's not hating to have doubts about a running QB's ability to impact the postseason the same way as he does in the regular season.
It’s wacism
The problem is he didn’t run because his coaches wanted to prove y’all wrong. If he had run we wouldn’t be having this conversation because ls are would be a Super Bowl champion due to using his god given gifts.
@@balleraap007 shut up goofy
@@TUTUMAH paying 50 million for a rb at Qb is wild 🤡🤡
@@TUTUMAH you can’t blame the coaches when that’s literally what he wants to do to extend his career. He’s not exempt from responsibility.
Let us not forget that Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High.
You know things are slow when Fox breaks out Lamar Jackson “ ol reliable “ topics . Leave this dude alone man
Never seen a QB so coddled before. Why are people so against Lamar criticism?
@@speedy9313-rv1dmbecause he's a black guy from the hood
@@seancarter4528🎯
How dare the defending MVP be a topic during offseason……what do you suggest they talk about…….AND yes it’s a slow day it’s the summer
@@speedy9313-rv1dmcoddled?? Pretty much every time Lamar is in the media it is something negative being said. People are just tired of yall with weird hostility and baseless opinions towards him.
Josh Allen literally played a game so perfect against a Bill Belichick defense by going 7 drives and 7 TDs, his passer rating went down by throwing a 1 yard TD pass to Dawson Knox.
If the lowly pats were so bad, how come no one else put up a perfect game on them?
Lamars time is around the corner just like Andy Reids time is now
In madden
That’s a weird comparison haha
@@thatstheway2429 it's a good one though. Never thought about it but its' so dang true. Reid was always "the coach that never could"
And then you woke up 😂
How many players in nfl history have equal mvps and playoff wins?
Not many
@@Renegade-kf8fp what if I told you Lamar is the only one?
@@thedude-nf1ufthen i would tell u that’s only because he’s the only one still playing , manning was also
@@plugcap2604 both manning brothers have more playoff wins than mvps.
Lay off the pipe ya goofy Google exists
The criticism is fair. With the defense and run game the Ravens consistently put on the field, at some point Lamar has to get it done
As a Ravens fan I see Lamar's playoff troubles as an indictment of John harbaugh.
Multiple coaches have come out and say that his play-calling is predictable.
@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens Lamar is and has been the run game that everyone keeps touting.
@@matthewarnold4557bingo
@@matthewarnold4557harbaugh has never been a play caller, he’s a lifelong special teams coach. He has never called plays at any level of football.
The reality is Lamar just isn’t an elite passer and the good teams know that, forcing him into it when it matters most in the playoffs. And time and time again he fails to deliver.
He chokes, he’s not good enough, whatever you want to call it
@@bradasskg11 if that were true, he wouldn't win in the regular season either.
No definitely not overrated, the Ravens are one of the most dangerous teams out there..
Regular season wise sure but not in the postseason.
4:05 Brou looking at the stats and was so shocked he had to lock-in.
Of course every time the Ravens are brought up Nick criticizes them and Lamar, because he knows they're a threat to his Chiefs
No... they're not. Not with Lamar at QB.
@@lakeozarkrei3767 THey are so not a threat he's in your head rent free all across this comment section. Deep down you trolls are gonna be in shambles when Lamar breaks through this year with King Henry
@truthbearer7891 🤦♂️😅Lamars only living rent free in Ravens fans heads who keep seeing him choke every year in the playoffs🤣
And an old broken down Henry ain't changing that kid.
Ravens have the most total rushing yards of any team in the league over the last 5 years (by almost 3,000 yds) and what's that got them?🤔
@@lakeozarkrei3767 You aren't fooling anyone but yourself. We see you across these comments. Your copium is hilarious. THe Ravens have been the #1 rushing team because Lamar has literally been their leading rusher since he took over as a starter every single year. Now he finally has a teammate who can actually carry the load. Combined he and Henry average 190 yards rushing. Teams that rush for that many yards are 30-2 in playoffs since 2000. 12-0 Since 2010. 6-0 since 2019 with Lamar and King Henry representing 4-0 of those games separately. Combined plus the 2nd string RB they will average that over teh next 3 playoffs. You are gonna be in shambles as they rack up the Lombardis.
@truthbearer7891 🤦♂️🤣Only one coping on here is you kid... sorry...
You are gonna be SO disappointed this season... again!😅
Make sure you bookmark this comment thread kid... I wanna hear your excuses when Lamar chokes again this season👍😅
The production quality is incredible!
Wildes is just like us askin nick to repeat that stat after he lays it out lol
Why are people in the media so afraid to critisize Lamar? Dak get destroyed for coming up short in the playoffs but Lamar seems to get a pass.
What kind of sport media have u been watching? People literally make fun of him mid season. He was called, and I quote, not quatabacky.
Dak has been surrounded by elite talent since becoming a starter…
Lamar has had some of the worse talent around him since becoming a starter
I’m not the biggest Lamar fan (in terms of being clearly a top 3 QB), but Lamar is probably one of the most criticized QB (at least for his play) lol
Mark Schelerth told the truth. Lamar is fantastic and will have a lot of rewards. He’s gotten better but he is what he is and I had to face that as a fan this past season. I thought he was more than he was from a passing standpoint and I had to take a backseat and admit he’s not what I thought he was. What he does in the playoffs is different than what Dak has done or hasn’t done for the Cowboys. And Dak is a far better passer
Lamar destroyed ur Texans buddy 😂😂
He is actualky 4-0 vs y’all in his career and none of the games have been close.
Relax.
I hate when fans of teams who get destroyed by Lamar speak down on him
@@boogidwnej179 bravo bravo. We running it back on Xmas
@@boogidwnej179 no one spoke down on him. He is what he is. Fantastic regular season QB. Below average playoff QB those are the facts
@@boogidwnej179I mean if you want to base your argument off of the other person’s team, want to engage in a conversation about Lamar’s performance against my Chiefs?
Lamar led the league in TD touchdowns before. Has the most perfect passing rating games in league history and the most accurate QB behind Mahomes in the red zone... But yea, he can't throw 😂
Not bad for a RB.
It has to be rough to be a Ravens fan. They’re literally amazing in the regular season, and come the playoffs they just can’t find their swag.
ITS HIM STICKING TO THE GAME PLAN AND OFFENSE BEING PREDICTABLE. HE NEEDS TO JUST PLAY TO WHAT THE OPPONENT GIVES HIM
Are we FINALLY ready to have this convo in a genuine way??? Cause the racial discussion erroneously and unfortunately bled into the discourse about Lamar to the point people irrationally defend him. I hope he gets better, but the fact is he is an above average thrower at best and always has been.
And he melts under pressure like an ice cream sandwich
this has been the discussion every offseason wake up lol
glad you felt the need to drop some negativity for no reason tho 💁♀️
@@ttrose69 might want to read above before commenting. And what did I say was negative?
@@BoomorBustYou're the dude purporting people have been erroneously defending him due to racial undertones while conveniently excusing he had been criticised WITH racial undertones even before he stepped into the league. And if you were any honest, you'd admit Lamar has rather been unfairly criticised about his playoffs record with most ignoring the context. People fail to bring up drops his mostly average receivers have had in those games. Allen had Diggs and Davis healthy in multiple playoffs games and failed to make it and yet get excused as if his team were horrible. Yet, somehow Lamar with mediocre RBs and receivers is supposed to win it all. And you're supposed to be the objective one? Dude, you need help with understanding what objective means.
Harbaugh the coach of the ravens came out and say they didn’t have a plan for if the chiefs stop the run but yet we are going to put blame on the QB
Harbaugh doesn't have a qb, what's he supposed to do if the run doesn't work?
@@SunShine-xc6dh😅👍
This video is a gem.
Imagine scoring 10 points at home in the playoffs and getting this level of protection from fans on YT.
I think the problem is that Lamar is fundamentally a gimmick. They have some great pieces, but its too much about Lamar. That works great in the chaos of the regular season. By the time the playoffs come around, there is enough tape on your squad to really give you a headache. Solid foundations rise, gimmicky or one dimensional offenses (dolphins as well - the gimmick is speed) fall.
Man shut it. A 2 time MVP is a standard not a gimmick. Blame the organization for not getting Lamar a #1 receiver and blame Harbotch for his attrocious post season coaching. That man can’t make in game adjustments to save his life. I’ve never seen a coach get outclassed so many times in game but have to rely on the heroics of his 2 Tine MVP QB to bail him out. Lamar had to beat the Chiefs, Refs and his head coach John Harbaugh last January and he still almost pulled it off but for a day flowers goal line fumble.
@@TUTUMAHLamar is a rb at Qb hahahah 🤡🤡🤡
@@TUTUMAH He is a gimmick
Yall can't let go of the stereotypes about athletic black QBs. THe "gimmick" QBs only last a couple years. They dont have one of the highest win pct of all time this many years into their career. THere is no such thing as a regular season QB because QBs like Dak actually have a losing record vs good teams in the REGULAR season. The only reason the Ravense lose is because they abandon their gameplan in the playoffs. You haters are gonna be in shambles when they no longer do that with Derrick HEnry and all your tropes about intellectual capacity and leadership skills for someone who looks and talks like Lamar are going to be shattered
@@truthbearer7891 Lamar’s an rb at qb hahaha
Lamar is coddled, had the best defense in football, top-10 nearly defense every year & always chokes at the end. I don’t even like Dak but Dak gets killed while Lamar skates.
Ppl dog Lamar out every offseason what are you talking about 🤣.
Lamar has never skated. If you think that you don’t watch football.
And Dak plays in the FAR easier division, easier conference, with a better offense.
@@Finnissee0122 not to the extent that they do Dak but that also comes with being a Cowboy.
And unlike Dak, Lamar always has a top 3 running game. Dak hasn't had a reliable run game since 2018 and so many average defenses and mediocre coaching. Not saying Dak is all that but he's definitely better than ppl give credit for they just hate the cowboys so much they rather talk down then be real
@@josegarcia9650 On the other hand, Dak can’t win against teams with a winning record. Outside of Philly, Dak lost nearly every game against a team with a winning record.
Dak’s stats look as good as they do because he played the Commanders twice, the Giants twice, the Jets, the Patriots, and the Panthers. That’s 7 games of stat padding.
As a Bengals fan, the Ravens are tough. Especially with Derrick Henry now. The Bengals are better in the post season
Knowing Nick, hes gonna have the Ravens in their own tier the entire year, named "Waiting until Playoffs." He'll just have them in the middle of the tiers the entire season cause he isn't willing to move off that spot and take. And I get where he's coming from. But the Ravens are still set up to be a top AFC team and until shown otherwise, theyre still the second best team in the AFC
When do you guys start talking about coaching?
Easier to get rid of players then coaches
Coaching xant mak3 LamarRB a better passer
You're not thinking it's Harbaugh are you? He's been such a consistently good coach
@@Ryan-wx1bigood coach because of Lamar.
@@TUTUMAH you are correct. people forget that they were talking about Harbaugh job until they put Lamar in his rookie season
Bro I didn’t realize Daks playoff numbers were actually that decent. Dude has at least 3 playoff loses where his defense gave up 30+ points and 450+ yards.
He gets wayyyy to much blame for the cowboys playoff woes in the last 5-6 years in multiple opinion🤷♂️
@@GlocknessMonster1738 Dak hasn’t been good either. Got off to horrible starts vs the Niners in ‘22 and the Packers this year (and was fairly bad throughout his divisional round game vs the Niners in-between). Inflated his numbers in failed second half comeback attempts and/or garbage time.
Keep in mind, a lot of those numbers come in garbage time.
@@JusticeForPottsvilleMaroons The only playoff game where "garbage time" could even be loosely considered as a fair description is last years Packers game. Even then, Dallas cut it to a 17 point lead with 10 min left in the 3rd before the defense crapped the bed for good from there, giving up the highest epa/play in any playoff game this century
@@JusticeForPottsvilleMaroonsDak went toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers his rookie year in the playoffs and the only reason it was competitive was Dak. Dallas defense allowed ARod to convert a 3rd&30 😂 idk what Dak has to do with that.
Lamar is like Vince Carter, Mahomes is like Kobe, I don't care how pretty your dunks are give me the true clutch player when it matters.
It’s because he doesn’t have receivers…… that’s the problem
Lamar isn't mediocre come playoff time - he's bad.
Just like Manning was bad his first 6 years. He was THE reason they lost. Same with Lamar.
No their playcalling has been bad and Lamar haters hold him to a standard above the GOATs
Career playoff record with less than 18 rush attempts:
(Mt Rushmore QBs)
Tom Brady 2-5
Joe Montana 0-2
Patrick Mahomes 0-2
Peyton Manning 0-4
2 wins 13 losses
(0.133 win pct) (equivalent of 2-15 season)
Daks playoff numbers are definitely misleading. Dak is normally down several scores and then once the D loosens up then Dak pads his stats. When the game is tied or with in a single score he has only 4 touchdowns in 7 games. The other 11 came in garbage time.
Especially in that Packers game.
The only game where that is viable is last year.
Sf both times were close
Rams game was close
First Packers game they came within 3 (can’t consider that garbage time)
Lamar statpadded too against Tennessee in 2019.
All of the Cowboys playoff loses have been 1 score or less except last year. He’s played really well in some playoff games
Why is Dak down a few scores, because the defense never ever shows up. Everyone knows that
I was disappointed with the ravens in the playoffs. They had plenty opportunity to score. Get stops in key moments. And squandered it. This isn’t Lamar’s first few years. So it’s SBOB. For them from now on.
He doesn’t even have to win Super Bowl , at least get there first. Burrow got there in his first full season and we still give him props for that run
I am a bit bewildered that Peyton is only 14-13 in the playoffs.
It was hard for him to beat Brady for most of his career.
Brady! 😉
Because making it means you can lose as well.
@@user-vr8mv1ci6dhe was better than Brady
Peyton was a playoff under-achiever, his number dropped off and hes making more mistakes. Its not just about Brady because I think he actually has a winning record against Brady in the playoff.
Never should've won MVP running back playing quarterback.
lol stop trolling, Josh Allen
Second MVP was Diversity award
That's why he won the M.V.P because he was throwing and running, combine the yards and That's why he was the M.V.P...not to mention the Ravens had the best record and the #1 seed in the AFC over the Chiefs, Bills, Dolphins, Bengals, Steelers etc. Stop trolling my guy and do some research
@@reealist34 yikes that’s actually racist
Nobody talks about how come playoff time the wr’s can’t catch the ball and all the blame is on Lamar because of it. Where’s that stat?
Nick has points about some of the numbers about Lamar's playoffs shortcomings but like he said, he missed the playoffs the prior season and they easily get passed the Bengals with him that game.
Its hard for Allen to play is worst football in the playoffs when you're throwing the game away the regular season. Lets be real.
I don't think Russ or Jalen are good comps either. Russ had an all time great defense and great running game. Also much better weapons. Russ didn't play like Lamar either. Jalen not only had a much better offense around him but also got a Niners team that played CMC at QB and the Giants. They got blown out by Baker when they played an upright team this year. Peyton is the right comp for Lamar. Already a Hall of Famer, top 15 of all time without a ring.
I feel like both Lamar and the Ravens offense is somehow easy to gameplan against for playoff teams. Especially when you get into the divisional+. Great D coordinators stressing him out and he cant do much.
shut down his running lanes and you cut the head off the monster. now that he has king henry I think it will be different.
@@asacloutier7530solid point. Imagine them running the option
@@asacloutier7530Henry is washed lmfao
@@Ryan-wx1biHenry is washed lmfao
@@balleraap007 YES.. he is washed up. no 6 rb with 1,167 yards and 12 tds.
Every team with a reasonably good secondary, will crowd the line and force the Ravens to rely on Jackson's arm. He's not even the in the top 5 as a passing QB.
Rely on his arm or beg his receivers to win one on ones? That’s apart of the game too isn’t it?
@@mikylepercentie8474 True, but he's average passer.
@@acerx203 statistics would beg to differ, but I mean I’m sure there are some specific average categories to his passing but that wouldn’t make him any different than majority of QBs
@@acerx203He’s not an average passer, that’s not tru. At the end of day Lamar is still a fairly young Quarterback, Lamar will win a Superbowl I know he will. And I can’t wait because most of this criticism is racially motivated and it’s disgusting and sickening. We’re literally talking about a 2 time MVP like he won’t EVER win.
@@mikylepercentie8474 He is average against good teams. His playoff numbers are actually worse then Dak's. Good against average and mid-tier teams which is the majority of the regular season, but in the playoffs teams are much better. Like I said as a PASSER he is maybe #5 in the AFC, if he was in the NFC he might have made an SB or 2 by now.
Lifelong ravens fan and I agree Lamar is on the clock.. it’s SBOB for him… however nick is definitely bias and against us… to say we are the 6 best team in the league is plain hate… we beat every team he ranks above us easily except KC… Lamar it’s time
List of rush first QB's that won a super bowl in the last 58 super bowls:
That's it that is the list.
I don't know why fans and coaches think these rush first QB's will change history and become the best way to win when they've consistently been knocked in the playoffs and disappointed in the playoffs for 58 years. (Vick, Lamar, Cam, Kap etc.)
I remember an interview - I think it was during his first MVP season - and Lamar was asked a question about winning a SB. Winning it all. What would that mean? Lamar answered that it would matter to him because of how people think about him. What other people thought of him. I'm watching the interview and I said to Lamar through the TV, "you'll never win a SB by worrying about what others think of you. You'll never win a SB." And he's not proven me wrong yet. He chokes in the playoffs. There. I said it.
He’s a f ing rb playing Qb lmfao
His lowest numbers are in the Playoffs, against “playoff” teams. These guys are geniuses! 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
? What even is this comment
Lol he didnt just have lower numbers they were much lower
If your a good qb, it shouldn’t matter who you play
Mahomes has a better winning % and a better QB Rating in the playoffs. What’s your point?
You mean the games you gotta win and teams you gotta beat to be a champion?
I'm a Steelers fan. We ain't won squat lately. Lamar may have lost in the AFC championship game, but it was in the AFC championship game. I can't hate. Steelers haven't made an AFC championship in 8 years
Kinda crazy how the guy who’s got 2 MVP’s catches nowhere near as much criticism as the guy with no MVP’s and on a far more dysfunctional team
Lamar apologists always say
"Should just run more"
He is paid crazy money to play QB, if you have to make excuses why your QB shouldn't be throwing... Thats a HUGE red flag
Lmfao they have cognitive dissonance over their rb at Qb
He has smth that makes him unique. Use it.
The Ravens are 0-31 since 2008 in games with under 20 rush attempts. That includes the Joe Flacco era. Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, all have losing playoff records in games where their team has under 20 rush attempts let alone only 6 designed runs for their RBs like the Ravens had. But those facts dont suit an agenda that yall have that a QB who looks and plays like Lamar isn't smart enough to play the position. So you hold him to a standard that even the greatest traditional passers in history couldn't even win under.
@@truthbearer7891 is that why Lamar threw a pick into triple coverage like my little cousin playing madden? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@truthbearer7891 is that why Lamar threw a pick into triple coverage like my little cousin playing madden? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Ask the Texans how Lamar is in the playoffs.
Ask a team with a bunch of rookies ? 🤡🤡🤡
@@balleraap007 those rookies who scored 45 on the Browns the week before.
@@ADL21 the browns are trash and have joe Flacco 🤡😂
@@balleraap007 look I know you lack intelligence so I'll explain it for you. The Browns won 11 games, 5 with Flacco and blew out the texans in the regular season. They 're a good team that's a contender. The Texans beat them and then the Ravens beat the texans the following week. All three teams are great, the Ravens were the best of them. Understand?
@@ADL21 cj didn’t play vs browns in reg season you’re a casual 🤡🤡 go play madden with your rb at qb. Understand?🤡🤡🤡
Has anyone else noticed every AFC championship game before the Chiefs win a Super Bowl their opponents get penalized for almost 100 yards
Lamar HAS been mediocre in the playoffs doesn’t meant that isn’t going to change. But yes, dude has 1 more career playoff victory than Tim Tebow.
Justin Herbert got nothing 🤣😂🤣😂 how long he been a lead
Ravens fan here. Last game I blame Harbs and Monken as much as Lamar. They abandoned their identity and paid for it.
Doesn't fit the narrative for Lamar haters. Harbaugh and Monken were the biggest ally to Lamar haters in that Super Bowl. Not even they can save the rest of the league if Derrick Henry stays healthy next year. They can't justify having him on the sidelines like they did GUs Edwards unless they are intentionally throwing the game.
but yall screamed for the previous OC to be fired because he didnt let Lamar loose??? lol
@@JohnnyCdz The previous OC didn't have a legitmate passing game and lost a playoff game in a similar way by letting best RB only touch the ball 3 times for 20 yards. Exact same statline for Gus Edwards. You all act deliberately dense. It's a difference between better passing plays and ALL passing plays. Dropping back 37 times vs 38 light boxes. Regardless yall can act dense all you want, you're cooked this year with Lamar having Derrick Henry. Not even John Doc Rivers Harbaugh can save yall
@truthbearer7891 But the defense is clearly taking away the run game, surely the MVP can make plays thru the air lol.. Yall don't understand what the opposing defenses are doing. They making Lamar beat them. Surely the 2 time MVP can do hit part no?
@@truthbearer7891why do you call yourself truth bearer when you don’t even understand scheme? The ravens run READ OPTION predominantly in their run game. Do you understand what that means?
Imagine paying a QB that money and blaming his coaches for him squeezing it and throwing into triple coverage 😂
LAWNCHAIR LAMAR, FOLDS IN THE POST SEASON!
It’s funny all the hate is on Lamar when Harbaugh choose to run 6 times after the first quarter and expecting for Lamar to pass into shell coverage every time when the defense knows they are passing before the play is called. Dude clearing is biased against him
That's because Lamar is a passer now 🙄😂
@@michaelmatthew6019 you’re joking right?
@@michaelmatthew6019rb at Qb haha
Lamar is a rb at Qb hahahah
What's funny is how these Lamar haters are gonna be in shambles because Harbaugh can't save them anymore from Lamar breaking through with Derrick Henry. Harbaugh has been #1 ally in sabotaging Lamar in the playoffs but he can't stop Henry from getting the ball in the playoffs witout it being obvious that they are throwing the game, so Lamar is going to break through like crazy this year. Teams dont even have the personnel to stop Lamar and King Henry at the same time
It’s not about him losing, it’s about how he loses, he chokes. I mean has abysmal play during the biggest moments in playoffs. He could barely throw a serviceable pass (in the playoffs) his first 2 years
“Stink says” 😅
Ravens problem is that they play the I formation one running back behind another skinnier running back. 😂 100% wildcat with no QB to be found out wide 🤣🤣🤣
Most QBs aren't great in the playoffs. Marino, Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers are all around .500 in the postseason. Lamar will figure it out. If he wins a Superbowl, he is a lock for the Hall of Fame.
mahomes greatness has made me realize how much all time great QB’s have under performed in the playoffs
That’s not a excuse
Drew Brees also had bottom 10 defenses in the playoffs religiously before the Saints ever good had a defense . He also took 7th round & undrafted WRs & RBs to the Super Bowl & won it
Whoa Brees defense was assy
i think its play calling, they look for lamar too do it when its a team game the ravens often forget what got them too the playoffs.
Last summer Nick said the Ravens wouldn’t make the playoffs so wash, rinse, repeat…this summer they’re overrated apparently almost everyone in the AFC has a better chance of making the Super Bowl over them.
I mean acting like all their losses are all Lamar's fault when he plays on a team is kind of crazy.. And last year was easily the best offense he's had and that's with a brand new OC and zay flowers who could possibly become a top wr but isnt yet.. he also fumbled the touchdown on the line and gave it back to the Chiefs.. that wasn't Lamar's fault.. And since Lamar doesn't call all his own place it also wasn't his fault they only ran the ball six times.. but yeah y'all go ahead and just keep blaming everything on Lamar like you always do
If mahome on this ravens team, Super Bowl for sure
Well duh? Mahomes is an all time great player😂 obviously
No it’s not. Yall don’t give Andy Reid Credit.
@@Finnissee0122Andy won no superbowls before.
@@norrismannjr he was a hall of fame caliber coach before Mahomes tho. SB appearance and multiple NFC title games appearances. That shows he’s an elite coach. It’s a 50/50 combo in KC. It’s not just Mahomes. Every Qb Reid coaches has their best seasons with him.
@@Finnissee0122you are tripping balls and don’t learn from history. They said all of that about Brady and BB.. look how that turned out. To say that Mahomes, on a great team with a solid coach in Baltimore *cant* win without Reid is the worst sports take I’ve heard in weeks. Mahomes is the most talented QB we have seen in NFL history. He is the needle mover, not the guy on the sideline.
To even put up that stat over 6 games with the greats is PETTY
Nick has finally seen the light when it comes to Josh Allen and the Bills, HALLELUJAH
I can't wait to see Lamar hold that Superbowl trophy high!!
You will be waiting a very very very long time.
Only in madden
In your dreams lol
Don't erase those comments once he wins this upcoming season!
He already did !!! My last season in Madden
I’m a Chiefs fan and I like Lamar but he is mediocre in the postseason let’s call it like it is, Josh Allen and Brock Purdy played much better against our defense with worse O-Lines than Lamar did, I still think Lamar is the 3rd best QB in the league, only behind Josh Allen and of course Mahomes who’s the best QB in the league, but Lamar is a mediocre playoff performer who needs to step up if the Ravens want to win the Super Bowl this upcoming season.
49ers o-line was better than ravens stop it!
@@underground.dreamkingzno it wasn’t, Trent is good but did you see their O-Line when he was out from weeks 6-8? It was one of the worst in the league, Ravens have a better O-Line, stop being a casual and actually watch the games.
Yea, well I’m gonna go get some Joe’s in Olathe.
I would argue he is mediocre 2/3s of the season, special 1/3 and below average in the playoffs.
@@spideysg1163 i Watched both teams o-line play throughout year last season and Lamar had gotten pressured way more than purdy did
Lamar really does not have enough weapons to compete against elite defensive teams in the playoffs.
Daks numbers are where numbers DO LIE. Dak has a tendency to make an awful performance look great on the stat sheet.
Everyone seems to forget that the Ravens defense deserved that MVP, not Lamar. Compare Lamar and Purdy stats and tell me Lamar deserved it. Now, the DC is gone. New HC of Seattle. That defense won't be the same and the Ravens won't be either.
Let’s wait and see
Show me the all pros on offense that Lamar has since you wanna bring up Purdy. And the 49ers has all pros on their defense too 😉
I bet you said that before last year too.
@@FaithlessLooting loved how we give no credit to the Chiefs defense who was the MVP for the whole playoff season. Patrick is great but look what happen his first 2 year career when he was great but the defense was trash 💯
Lamar has NEVER had a top 25 receiver, ever. Purdy has a top 10 and 2 top 15s, Purdy has a top 2 Tight end, while Lamar Tight end was hurt, Purdy has the top running back, while Ravens didnt have top 15 running back, Purdy and Lamar both have top 3 defenses, but Purdy has a great offensive line while Lamar has a mediocre line. Without Lamar, Ravens are Mediocre with good defense, but put any top 15 quarterback on 9ers and there a superbowl favorite.
Nick always hates the most exciting and revolutionary upcoming players, such as he did to Curry and the Warriors 😂😂
Nick wright is notorious for hating on teams and players that pose a threat to his Chiefs. KC cant win every SB every single year lol.
I don't know. He loves Mahomes and the Chiefs. I would call Mahomes "revolutionary and exciting."
@@bigchungus1848 Lamar doesn't pose a threat to Mahomes and the Chiefs, though.
Sometimes yeah. Show where he’s been wrong about NFL QBs though.
@@bigchungus1848here we go again 😂 Bills were such a threat too right?
Last year was bad coaching. They had a backup tight end that got injured and the number 1 running offense and you decide to pass still.
Don’t let rob parker sees those graphs, that dude gonna cry
More absurdity from Nick. Lamar’s playoff struggles through his first six seasons are literally IDENTICAL to Peyton’s. He won a SB eventually and so will Lamar.
Stop kid... Only thing close is their won/loss record. Lamars playoff QB numbers are no where near Mannings.
@@lakeozarkrei3767at age 27 they are identical.
you may be absolutely right, but Peyton got criticized until he won. best regular season QB ever. remember those talking points because he always blew it in the playoffs?? tell the whole story, not just the side you like. Lamar deserves the criticism until he wins. yall act like somebody’s lying on the man. 2 time MVP but trash in the postseason. I hope he corrects it, I’m rooting for him, but the criticism is valid
@@miamimercenary9623 The criticism WOULD be valid, if it was fair. You can criticize anyone, but Nick (and other racists) go beyond to attack Lamar's character and credibility as a QB. They literally condemn his career and project him as a failure forever. It's overkill character assassination.
@@lakeozarkrei3767lol you call him kid but must not be old enough to remember him routinely throwing 4 picks against New England
The only downfall about this show is chris he can never critique certain players.
He just said schlereth had a point smh. Yall just love pitting these 3 against each other.
For some reason when the playoffs start the Ravens decide Lamar needs to put his feet in cement and throw the ball all game instead of doing what makes him great. It’s infuriating bc no matter what people say Lamar is NOT a great passer and this is coming from a Lamar Jackson fan.
the playcalling is different in the playoffs thats why. just looking at numers dont tell it all. 1 goal line fumble away from beating the champs not his fault
Context is key regarding Lamar’s playoff moments. He’s been quite unlucky on a few occasions
Greatness should be able to override that
@@Renegade-kf8fp doesn’t work like that. Why didn’t Mahomes overcome his oline injuries in 2020?
They never want to hear that lolll
Why dosent fs1 prioritize this show?? It’s really sickening. I would hate for them to better offers because they are under appreciated
Lamar has to become a better pocket passer, that is the biggest difference between him and Mahomes, it showed in the AFC Championship game. Lamar has to make plays from the pocket in January to take that next step
As a Jaguars fan, I greatly respect the Ravens. Lamar is exciting to watch! With that being said, people will probably scrutinize him until he wins a Super Bowl. Warranted or not. Trevor Lawrence is similar when it comes to people scrutinizing him.
"You think he chokes?"
Well.. he has every single playoff appearance. So, yes.