I can relate to having to catch up. Pioneer, MTS, Elder at 24 in 1991. Left at 29 after being raised in. Immediately went to college, law school in my 30’s and now am happy with my life professionally and personally. I wish my family had never met those people in the 70’s but I am who I am. I too had a lot of anger and resentment. Still do. Despite my success, my JW family thinks I’m “lost and confused” despite my credentials and sharp focus and drive. So sad but I laugh it off.
Mines too. I have treated at least 10 witnesses at the hospital and I just shake my head. I've said why refuse blood and end your life when Armageddon isn't here. Why quit early?.. my mom hears about it and side eyes me... I was never a good fit
@David Taylor -- did you find the transition to a regular life (attending college, etc.) to be difficult? How did you deal with the anger and resentment? Did you have a hard time trusting people in the world after you left because of what you had been taught about the world?
I began to fade 17 years ago and have only celebrated 1 Christmas. This year will be my 2nd. The brainwashing is powerful and lasts for many years afterwards..at least in my case. I still have a little piece of my brain that feels guilty watching videos like this one. Thank you both for your bravery.
So deeply ingrained this end of year festival is..which predated Christ by 400 years albeit in a different name..I wonder when John penned revelation , whether he knew it was a gift exchanging that was a custom that would endure into the last days..but one which Gods people then would not be party to. See rev 11:10.
@mommydoesketo, my sentiments exactly. I’m at 15 years now removed, and I STILL feel odd about the holidays, blood, and politics. Finding this community helps with the realization of teachings. Thank you Critical Thinking.
I faded 4 years ago and I still have feelings of guilt when I watch these videos . But now I'm starting to see how controlling this religion is. I am studying molecular biology taking a course in it and really enjoying it. I hope to have a degree soon. I'm realizing too that covid is still a threat to our society. Nobody is taking it seriously. So I am avoiding large indoor crowds including the kingdom hall
I loved this one. I was only just talking to my husband yesterday about how behind I feel in life and he was being very encouraging saying I'm still young, I can still do what I want to do (I'm 30). He's never been JW so can't relate to the things I've told him about my upbringing though. These experiences from those who do understand have been helpful to listen to. Perfect timing 👏👏. He's right and you're right.
I'm pimo and I'm realizing that I need to think into the future. I'm thinking after being a C.O where would I live. How much money would I have saved. ECT
25 years out myself. Very fortunate that my parents didn't shun me. And that I reconnected with old high school friends, and a few other jw friends who quit, one who got df'd and who I got df'd for when I refused to stop associating with him. I have a lot of friends who were not JWs and they have similar experiences, but not the same. It's almost been a life mission to get them to understand it.
@@carlisroy6666 - The Overlapping Generations started the process, followed by the Australian Royal Commission, watching Geoffrey Jackson say that it would be presumptuous to say they were God's only spokespeople, and finally 'Crisis of Conscience.'
In the U.K. when I came in around 2003 those who left in the manner that Stephen left were not shunned by congregation or family. So as someone who was not born in I was under the impression that only those disfellowshipped were shunned. The org has hardened their stance on this basically saying that you should shun anyone who is not active. I think today Stephen’s parents would have been encouraged to shun Stephen and his wife when they became inactive. Glad that’s not their experience but the game has been altered! Thanks for demonstrating there is life after JWs. For born in’s I think there is more challenges. Stephen and his family have overcome them. Keep up the great work!
EXCELLENT, FANTASTIC interview. I enjoyed every minute of it. Also, thank you, JT, for making the point about feeling behind..I always felt that way after I left JW. I remember I was always the oldest person in the classroom when I went back to school and there were so many other ways in which I felt behind to this day. I felt so validated when you said, yes, truth is, we're behind.Thank you. PS--on this Thanksgiving Eve, one thing in which I am so grateful..JT and Lady C and Critical Thinking
Trying to fade out now. I quit going to the zoom meetings. Now, I feel like I need to relearn the bible, and reprogram my mind. I got to stay in prayer..smh
JT you are right about cautioning new ex-witnesses not to be in a hurry to make new friends; we end up with shady characters. That has been my challenge . Great interview and fantastic interviewees
Good advice. Why do you think that is? So far I haven't experienced shady people. I'm so overvigilant and still habe trust issues so I don't let people in easily.
Great interview JT & Lady Cee! I’ve been out of this so called “religion” for many years now, but it’s still interesting for me to see how people left. Like you guys, my wife & I just faded. Greetings from Arizona! 🌵😃
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - Wow, I didn’t know that. I have no idea where you guys are now, but if it’s in Arizona, lunch is on me! If you’re not in AZ, ya’all should move here! Love to hang with you guys! RJ p.s.: Grew up in Queens NY, a 30 minute drive to the old CULT headquarters in Brooklyn.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - You got it Lady Cee! If I’m ever in your area, I’ll let you guys know. But if I am in D.C., I’ll gonna have to slap Biden around a bit. He’s destroying our freakin country!!! 😧😂
When my wife and I left we sent a one paragraph note saying after further research this is not the truth and we no longer want to be identified as JW’s the end!
@@mervjohnson2140 they didn’t even deserve that but we wanted our feelings known and complete closure as I write this my house is decked out for the holidays and the hall is right around the corner from where I live like I said closure.
It is so nice to see Stephen and Celine "in person" after months of listening to their podcasts and seeing them on Twitter! I really enjoy seeing parents and children interact as adults. Also, a great point about men, friendships, and isolation. It's something I have had to contend with. There are recent articles addressing the pandemic's effect on men, particularly the isolation. Isolation is linked to poor health outcomes, especially regarding cardiovascular disease and dementia. Keep up the great work you do on the podcast! I swear that I can hear sheep bleating in the background. 😉🤣
@50:23 I started associating with witnesses at age 12 or so. At 12, I was not developed enough to have the critical thinking skills or access to information people have now or life experiences or ability to ask questions to see how being part of Watchtower is a bad idea. With that in mind, it was not a mistake joining JW. I could not have known better. I did have fun and met great people, I do admit that. I am also glad I left after I got older and realized something is wrong. At my age no, I have nothing to do with religion. I can see the nonsense a mile away. I am not 12 years old still.
i would really like to share my exit experience...I was in for about 30 yrs...leaving was so confusing...i felt like I was being forced out.my ex was a presiding overseer in a congregation in NY and Illinois we both pioneered and he was an elder when he retired the problems really escalated..he had never conducted an sort of family study which I spoke to other elders about...I was told to go home and be in submission....he had what amounted to a group of older sisters who were very in love with him to the point that they would treat me very badly i am sure he was saying things to them about me...several of them admitted it..in time he began to spend time with a married sister about 20 yrs younger.they would work in service..alone he would meet her for breakfast lunch and or dinner...people would see them and call me I would ask them to please report it to the elders...i was dealing with Lymes disease and fibromyalgia...he did nothing to help me...his association with the sister went on for 2 yrs....he said to me I don;t understand why i can't have both of you...I went to the elders many times....i finally called and demanded that elders come to the house and deal with this situation....everyone in several congregations was aware of the situation....elders came and it was immediately obvious that their idea was to get me under control..I wasn't having it...things went from bad to worse....other things happened..he was removed as residing overseer and elder and pioneer....all of which was of course my fault...he left and moved in with the girls parents...about a yr later the husband was arrested for spouse abuse which my ex and the mans wife had staged.he was removed from the home and my ex remained in the home alone with the woman for 2 yrs....finally our divorce was final so I moved to california... it took another 2 yrs for my ex and the woman to be df...at that time I was told I was not scripturally free to remarry because my ex had threatened to sue if I was free i began to write letters to headquarters...i was told to stop.i did not stop...about 3 months later i was contacted by elders saying there was a protocol to deal with my situation...it consisted of 3 elders coming to my apt.asking me very personal questions...asking for very detailed sexual info.it was demeaning and quite disgusting....several months went by..they came to my apt many times...eventually they came and said i would not be dealt with judicially if I decided to remarry i was so disgusted by the whole process..along with all that I had seen thru 30 yrs of being a witness...so much hypocrisy...so much wrong....once I was divorced I was treated so badly...in so many ways by brothers and sisters....my ex is still living with the same woman 12 yrs later....the mother of the woman who he started all of this mess with....a congregation was closed because of this...it was a real scandal...that's why I moved to california...i had pioneered...not worked secularly..so when I found myself out.with no support...it really was devastating...to this day I am 69 yrs old and live in a rented room...thrown to the wolves by my husband and the organzation...i just say the video about Mike Penkava..I knew him he is a good man..so sad what happened to him...I also knew Polidoro in NY and Illinois..
My mom went through something very similar with how she was treated by the elders when my dad had his affairs, which she eventually found out he’d had through the whole marriage. The brothers didn’t believe her, almost identical to what you’re describing and I remember her saying she wrote letters to the society. The only difference was I don’t think my dad had affairs with anyone in the Hall. But… my mom died an active JW. She still chalked that whole mess up to “imperfect people” that she wasn’t going to allow to make her “lose out on life”. I do believe some of those elders that did her that way ended up being removed eventually though.
If a Witness who passed back in the '70s came back today, they would be DF'ed because of "apostasy". Types and antitypes done away with, the branch that the Borg was sitting on, was cut off. Yesterday's "understanding" is tomorrow's "apostasy".
I had nightmares for years as well as very negative, dark, intrusive thoughts about death and destruction, my family members dying and being destroyed. The idea of a paradise that comes about AFTER all of your loved ones and friends are dead never brought about a warm and fuzzy feeling. Even as a kid I could see through it but I wanted so badly to believe. All of this was around and before the age of 10 for me and continued beyond that age. I was raised on the Bible Story book, The Great Teacher book, etc. I've sat at conventions being bored to death and pinched by my mother for being a CHILD and not being able to pay attention for 9 hours straight listening to some old man with liver spots drone on and on. Seeing all those images and hearing about the impending doom really did a number on me. It's taken YEARS to get to the point where I started listening to the bells going off in my head about the JW doctrine and the way they do things. My mother is still neck deep in it and it's scary because she is almost incapable of forming and discussing her own thoughts; thoughts that do not have a root in their doctrine. She's been a baptized JW for over 20 years, probably closer to 30 years at this point, and the resentment and anger I have towards her is 100% rooted in her choices to put JW things first while her actual life fell apart to the detriment of her own children. As I type this she has no home, has no career, no savings, is driving a beat up car and has her belongings strewn about in different family members houses ALL because she refuses to take care of "worldly" things. She lives on my couch and her sister's couch and spends her time worrying about what Jehovah is going to do to the "evil" people of the world rather than taking care of herself the way she is capable of doing. I told my mother about my nightmares and the thoughts I was having and how they scared me and scarred me and she in no uncertain terms defended the doctrine and ignored the aspect of me being negatively affected by it. It's almost as if she is brainwashed and can't see what is actually happening to her and what happened to me. I've had horrible experiences dealing with some JWs over the years as I tried off and on to study and to become baptized. Something in me just won't allow me to take that step because I just can't trust what they teach and how they do things. The changes in practices and how they very, VERY, carefully use their words to pull the wool over people's eyes through their print and media system. The weekly meetings I attended as a kid, the way I was always on the outside of every group of kids because I couldn't connect with them because of the doctrine that was POUNDED into my skull as a child that every non-JW person in the world was going to eat me and try to destroy me. I've suffered a great deal of residual pain because of my mother's involvement in the JW organization and I don't think I'll ever be 100% cured from the shit stain prints they left on my soul.
Sometimes I want to be on the show. I’m still scared I have a few people who will hate me. If they see me. Third generation and 40 years out. My parents have pasted away now I’m free. My mother was so smart she could been anything. She gave her life to this crap. I’m happy she enjoyed real life the time she was disfellowship. I love you all for your great work. Exposing these monsters.
Jt I bounce back between El Salvador 🇸🇻 Ethiopia 🇪🇹 and Canada 🍁 I finally hime in Canada 🇨🇦 and I’m faded So I’m here until end December Just to present divorce to my ex Bcs she’s 💯 % with the GB It’s sad see my daughter still brainwashed 😏 I met amazing Ethiopian lady who loves me inside abs out and we watch your videos and Lloyd and many others too... I’m free guys !!! It hurts me to see so many being completely brainwashed ... I do feel and believe many are waking up ⬆️ everywhere ... they’re just scared 😱 My closest friend growing up is Ethiopian sister for 30 years ... she was married to ex co pedofile ... now she divorced ... she once told me she marry me in new world 🌍 if I was free !?? Even though I was married ..... so this all caused my life problems ... but I’m full awake .. and I ran away from her my ex and the Borg It hurts Bcs I really loved her and many people inside the org.. I feel like trying to wake them up ⬆️ write the Ethiopian sister and my daughter letters about what’s going on Anyways ... I’m feeling like yes we are ahead 3-5 years ... and I will not step in a Kingdom Hall again or talk to no elder Hey love you both !! So does hirut 👩🏽🇪🇹🙋♂️🇪🇹🇨🇦🇸🇻💯 she’s my biggest blessing I’m lucky to move on and have a happiness in my life again. We are compatible in all and I don’t have the Borg in my life or bedroom anymore. Ok lots love thx JT lady cee some of our hero’s
@47:57 Another story from my time in Nigeria. People buy cows and slaughter them at home. Families hire a professional butcher and kids get to watch him kill and cut the cow up. This is specially true with Muslims during their festive season where the meat is intended to distribute as part of the religion. My American mother though never allowed me to watch. Anyway. It was normal and kids are okay seeing it. If kids in America cannot handle "My Book of Bible Stories"; I don't think they can handle seeing a cow getting its neck cut and bleeding out. This is cultural so it is not something bizarre. I am just point out a cultural difference.
Leaving a cult yes! Not reading the Bible for oneself nor knowingJesus is sad But often occurs when coming from a cult The Bible tells it like it is. The Bible talks about Jesus return and yet JW and Co say they know when Jesus will return. Terrifying.
Actually , That was supposed to be a illustration of CHRIST , stepping on Satan ( getting bruised in the heel , while about to Crush the Serpent's Head ) in the "Paradise" book ! 😉 However you guys are Sure Right , about That book 🙄 ability to Frighten us as Kids !! On the Positive side it literally helped me to Both Read & Write 📝 at the Weekly Book study ! Which was Held at 👉 My Family's house ! (Of all places 🤦) I had the "privilege" of preparing our living room ( with All those Folding chairs 🙆 ) for the "friends" in our "Service group" showing up Every Tuesday night ! Oh , the Memories of 1959-61
11:50 I disagree. I wrote a disassociation letter. Writing a letter is the only way to express oneself officially. I did not meet with the elders because that’s a waste of time. They already know what’s wrong with the organization’s teachings and don’t care. So that meeting not a forum for us to express ourselves. The Organization does not allow us to have our say. Therefore, writing a letter is a final act of defiance, and the first act of exercising my own agency, my freedom to choose. It’s me giving them the finger as I walk out of the Kingdom Hall. Each person is free and can do whatever they like, but for me, I say grow some balls and write it.
When I was in Nigeria as a kid (my father brought his family over from America to live there), "My Book of Bible Stories" was used as a textbook at schools. Every kid had one in school. It was not that graphic to me. During time kids gather to watch TV after school; sometimes shows end too early, so interludes (filler shows) are shown (not down in America though). One show showed a woman giving birth uncensored for like 10 minutes on a network many kids watched to see cartoons. I saw how elastic lady's part are as a kid on TV; after a kid-show. So to me, "My Book of Bible Stories" was mild.
Where is your logic or reasoning? I celebrate Christmas and I believe in no god. You need to care about why ppl do things before you attempt to criticize their reasoning. What ‘pagan’ thing do you think this guy believes in??
"STOP, LOOK, LISTEN: Luke 8:17 "For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, nor is there anything carefully hidden that will never become known and never come to light." it is part of the new covenant that Jesus made with his disciples to eat the bread that represents his body and drink the wine that represents his blood, how will you have eternal life? (Luke 22:19,20). doctrine of men or the word of GOD?" observe (John ch 3:16,17) 16-“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever exercises faith in him may not be destroyed but have eternal life. 17-For God did not send his Son into the world that he might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him." observe (John ch 6:53-57) 53- So Jesus said to them, "I say- to you with all certainty: Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 - He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I do. I will rise again at the last day, 55- for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56- Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. Just as the Father who lives sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on me will live because of me. the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". notice what Jesus said: Matthew 23:13 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because they close the kingdom of heaven to men; for you yourselves do not enter, nor do you let in those who are on their way to enter." look at the Conclusion of Jesus (John ch 10: 09,10) 9- I am the door; whoever enters by me will be saved, and will enter and he shall go out, and find pasture.” 10- A thief comes only to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.
the only problem for Jehovah's Witnesses is not to take as an example what Jesus instituted in their memory, which was to eat and drink the emblems in the Lord's Supper! for it is one baptism and one hope of eternal life. Ephesians 4: 4-6 note 4- There is one body and one spirit, just as you were called in a hope to which you were called; 5- one Lord, one faith and one baptism; 6- God, unique and Father of all, who is above all, and through all and in all.
@@WatchtowerofBabel lmao one day I had a big list of all the baby names some lady had asked questions about it was like 20 names she wanted a good combo of so I wrote them all down and came up with some and someone in my family had found the list and thought I was trying to have a baby. Thankfully me telling them about the website was all I needed to do to get them to know I wasn't trying to have a baby
Misuse of God's Inspired Word and Christ Jesus'teachings in God Almighty's name.. Thats a reason... Meaning- misuse knowingly... e.g.The Shepherd the Flock of God book being used instead of John17:17 Psalms 107:20 Instead of Acts 17:11 Matthew 10:16-31...and many etc's.. False prophecy.. Saying Ch Jesus knows the day and hour when he said times and seasons belong to Father ( Acts 1:6,7,8) Matthew 24:36... Mmmm.
The eight cult leaders of JW's are always making decisions with cash revenues in mind. The development of the best of production facilities is recognition of how much can be charged to rental such a resource to outside production companies. Tyler Perry would be proud to own Mount Ramapo! I am in favor of giving this expression of "new light" the Bible based name of "Holywood". Can I get an amen?
Special evening today - Day of the Covenant, when Abdul-Baha became 'the Head'of the Bahai religion.. Appointed by his Father. I assume? (The Branch, Zech 3:9) The 100 year memorial of 'his Ascension' is this Saturday.. Nov. 28, 1921 - Haifa, Palestine. ☆£☆
interesting conversation it is something how they talk about high control but a stop sign is control a job is control but i guess if you are getting paid they dont mind
John17:17 Acts 17:11 Psalms146 Micah 7 1John4:1 Re the unscriptural action called disfellowshipping-Ezekiel 45:9 Acts 5:29 So-Since in Gods Word it is written ....1Corinthians 11:3(heads~>Father, Jesus,Man,Woman...But Acts 5:29... And- as a female...Men disobeying Christ Jesus & Father are not ones we would obey or submit to...Why?...Because, if they are disobeying Christ and Father- then we obey them...We are letting them be our god and conscience... Think Shepherd the Flock of God book...put before scripture ( Where is Ps 107:20..Hebrews 4:12,13).? Where is Christ as High Priest? Matthew 6:6-14?.. Father is so merciful...Psalms 139:14-17 James 2:10-13 Father and Jesus see all... Ez34 Jer23 Nothing covered over( hidden) will not become uncovered ...secret that will not become known... It seems our King( Ch J) is doing that now for his Father and humanity... Ezekiel 6-10
Never heard such a term before. But if you’re talking about gay ppl then you have no idea what you’re talking about. Heterosexuals continue to exist. You want to encourage gay ppl to have sex with opposite gender and have kids so that humanity doesn’t go extinct ? We aren’t really having a population problem. And I’m pretty sure you know that. You are just a bigot.
critical thinking i guess he left that somewhere seeing how he endorses evolution when there is zero proof of it but i guess it is the fall back excuse
There is actually a lot of proof for it. DNA analysis between species and within species bears it out among other forms of evidence. And just look at dogs for a clear example. These house pets came from wolves. Humans domesticated and have bred them in such a way as to control for certain traits. Their evolution was accelerated. They are no longer wolves. And they are quite varied as well.
Wow, there is a large uptick of Jehovah's Witnesses frequenting the exjw community. You all must be bored at your Zoom meetings. Anyway, thanks for adding to the algorithm.
@@debramills740 many many of them have abused others inside when they were witnesses. And none of them have come forward and apologized to them or taken any responsibility towards these persons. There are many many psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists in there abusing others. These predators MUST take their responsibility. And now that they are ex-witnesses, they want to stand in the spotlight and get enormous attention from the secular. No no no hell no. Fuck them all
Don’t deserve attention from who? Disrespectful ppl like yourself who have no substance to say - just empty insults? Agreed - they don’t deserve that attention
Oh they both want the same things? Pretty sure the people on the video don’t want to control others but do want to enjoy their lives and not be treated like garbage. Meanwhile watchtower wants to control ppl. Which desire (‘want to do’’) do you believe people might be more apt to hate?
@@leejohnson6328 Watchtower seeks to control people - as evidenced by its shunning policy, judicial committees, and culture of obligation to the organization (expectation for showing up to meetings, going outside talking about god, and filling out timecards). I don't know what you don't get - if I don't like that Hitler attempted a genocide - it means I'm hypocritical for watching youtube vids, playing video games? Because Hitler's attempted genocide was him doing what he wanted, and I'm doing what I want as well so I can't criticize him? Where is the sense in that?
@@singed8853 i have no idea what you are talking about. being told what to do is not really an issue because we all are told what to do from time to time. the issue is what we are told to do is it right or wrong
@@leejohnson6328 Agreed - the issue is the content of what people are telling others to do. Therefore, there is zero hypocrisy in someone hating what watchtower tells people to do - unless that person tells people to do the same exact thing. The people on this video are not suggesting people do the types of things watchtower says - and unlike watchtower, do not advocate coercion (punishment) for not following their 'advice' or 'direction.' That's the answer for you in "'how that works'. By the way - being 'told what to do' (in a coercive way) sounds kind of ridiculous with respect to a supposed religious organization. This is part of what makes it a cult. It's control, control, control. People should not accept being told what to do as if they have masters - unless it's their boss, or someone they have a contract with, or their parents. Letting others be the master of your mind is not a healthy and productive way to live.
Thank you JT and Lady Cee for being such lovely hosts, we really enjoyed being on the show.
Watchtower has Destroyed so many Lives
I can relate to having to catch up. Pioneer, MTS, Elder at 24 in 1991. Left at 29 after being raised in. Immediately went to college, law school in my 30’s and now am happy with my life professionally and personally. I wish my family had never met those people in the 70’s but I am who I am. I too had a lot of anger and resentment. Still do. Despite my success, my JW family thinks I’m “lost and confused” despite my credentials and sharp focus and drive. So sad but I laugh it off.
David Taylor . Good For You & Congratulations With The Law School Enjoy Life
Mines too. I have treated at least 10 witnesses at the hospital and I just shake my head. I've said why refuse blood and end your life when Armageddon isn't here. Why quit early?.. my mom hears about it and side eyes me... I was never a good fit
@David Taylor -- did you find the transition to a regular life (attending college, etc.) to be difficult? How did you deal with the anger and resentment? Did you have a hard time trusting people in the world after you left because of what you had been taught about the world?
Unbelievable coincidence, I only discovered them today
Thanks for your important and helpful work y'all!
Oh wow, definitely a coincidence!
@@ExJWCriticalThinker what about all different churches and exjws apostate experience?????????
I feel particularly happy for those who better themselves after leaving a mind-control cult. Nothing is more LIBERATING than that!
Broad and spacious road ..
Relax
I began to fade 17 years ago and have only celebrated 1 Christmas. This year will be my 2nd. The brainwashing is powerful and lasts for many years afterwards..at least in my case. I still have a little piece of my brain that feels guilty watching videos like this one. Thank you both for your bravery.
So deeply ingrained this end of year festival is..which predated Christ by 400 years albeit in a different name..I wonder when John penned revelation , whether he knew it was a gift exchanging that was a custom that would endure into the last days..but one which Gods people then would not be party to.
See rev 11:10.
@mommydoesketo, my sentiments exactly. I’m at 15 years now removed, and I STILL feel odd about the holidays, blood, and politics. Finding this community helps with the realization of teachings. Thank you Critical Thinking.
I have been out for years now but that feeling still lingers. My kids love holidays especially Christmas lol
I faded 4 years ago and I still have feelings of guilt when I watch these videos . But now I'm starting to see how controlling this religion is. I am studying molecular biology taking a course in it and really enjoying it. I hope to have a degree soon. I'm realizing too that covid is still a threat to our society. Nobody is taking it seriously. So I am avoiding large indoor crowds including the kingdom hall
I loved this one. I was only just talking to my husband yesterday about how behind I feel in life and he was being very encouraging saying I'm still young, I can still do what I want to do (I'm 30). He's never been JW so can't relate to the things I've told him about my upbringing though. These experiences from those who do understand have been helpful to listen to. Perfect timing 👏👏. He's right and you're right.
I'm pimo and I'm realizing that I need to think into the future. I'm thinking after being a C.O where would I live. How much money would I have saved. ECT
25 years out. If I could get the past 10 years, I'd be golden.
25 years out myself. Very fortunate that my parents didn't shun me. And that I reconnected with old high school friends, and a few other jw friends who quit, one who got df'd and who I got df'd for when I refused to stop associating with him. I have a lot of friends who were not JWs and they have similar experiences, but not the same. It's almost been a life mission to get them to understand it.
i want out of this religion fake friend in lie saying they love me
@@brianwalker1996-t8u - Get out as soon as you get a chance.
What woke you up my friend?
@@carlisroy6666 - The Overlapping Generations started the process, followed by the Australian Royal Commission, watching Geoffrey Jackson say that it would be presumptuous to say they were God's only spokespeople, and finally 'Crisis of Conscience.'
In the U.K. when I came in around 2003 those who left in the manner that Stephen left were not shunned by congregation or family. So as someone who was not born in I was under the impression that only those disfellowshipped were shunned. The org has hardened their stance on this basically saying that you should shun anyone who is not active.
I think today Stephen’s parents would have been encouraged to shun Stephen and his wife when they became inactive.
Glad that’s not their experience but the game has been altered!
Thanks for demonstrating there is life after JWs. For born in’s I think there is more challenges. Stephen and his family have overcome them. Keep up the great work!
EXCELLENT, FANTASTIC interview. I enjoyed every minute of it. Also, thank you, JT, for making the point about feeling behind..I always felt that way after I left JW. I remember I was always the oldest person in the classroom when I went back to school and there were so many other ways in which I felt behind to this day. I felt so validated when you said, yes, truth is, we're behind.Thank you. PS--on this Thanksgiving Eve, one thing in which I am so grateful..JT and Lady C and Critical Thinking
Yup, hard to make friends when you leave later in life. I do have that issue myself.
The list of videos go on and on…..
Thanks!
Many thanks!!! Appreciate ya!
Another great interview. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Excellent!..!. thaynks you for sharing this video,
Trying to fade out now. I quit going to the zoom meetings. Now, I feel like I need to relearn the bible, and reprogram my mind. I got to stay in prayer..smh
1930 minute in this videotape Bingo!! It gets hard. When you get older that is is. When I was younger
I love the work that you are doing. It helps me.
JT you are right about cautioning new ex-witnesses not to be in a hurry to make new friends; we end up with shady characters. That has been my challenge . Great interview and fantastic interviewees
Good advice. Why do you think that is? So far I haven't experienced shady people. I'm so overvigilant and still habe trust issues so I don't let people in easily.
Great interview JT & Lady Cee! I’ve been out of this so called “religion” for many years now, but it’s still interesting for me to see how people left. Like you guys, my wife & I just faded. Greetings from Arizona! 🌵😃
Greetings! Used to be in Chandler congregation years ago. Lady Cee.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - Wow, I didn’t know that. I have no idea where you guys are now, but if it’s in Arizona, lunch is on me! If you’re not in AZ, ya’all should move here! Love to hang with you guys! RJ
p.s.: Grew up in Queens NY, a 30 minute drive to the old CULT headquarters in Brooklyn.
@@groovy9125 I wish, I was still in AZ. But, we’re in DC!!! 😊 would love to hang out if you’re ever in our area.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - You got it Lady Cee! If I’m ever in your area, I’ll let you guys know. But if I am in D.C., I’ll gonna have to slap Biden around a bit. He’s destroying our freakin country!!! 😧😂
Some new light right before thanksgiving...lol.
Absolutely! Good timing, huh!!!
One of the best interviews I heard from you, guys. They keep getting better.
Hey, thanks!!! 😊
Masterpiece great interview
Thanks! We definitely enjoyed having them on the program.
Thank you JT for your hard work to help innocent Victims of the cult. Thank you make more videos like this one if you can. Thank you again
Thank you for sharing. Take care 💯👍
As someone who left JWs at 39 years old and started college at 40 years old thank you for talking about this.
Absolutely! Congrats on your journey towards getting your education.
I listen to their podcast. Great interview.
Happy holidays #respect from Detroit
When my wife and I left we sent a one paragraph note saying after further research this is not the truth and we no longer want to be identified as JW’s the end!
Chris That's A Good One
Chris Have A Um Good Life You & Your Wife
@@mervjohnson2140 thanks and same to you
@@mervjohnson2140 they didn’t even deserve that but we wanted our feelings known and complete closure as I write this my house is decked out for the holidays and the hall is right around the corner from where I live like I said closure.
Thanks for all y’all do. I love the channel! ❤️
I'm playing catch-up right now. But, I'll tell you one thing. I'm catching up pretty fast.
It is so nice to see Stephen and Celine "in person" after months of listening to their podcasts and seeing them on Twitter! I really enjoy seeing parents and children interact as adults.
Also, a great point about men, friendships, and isolation. It's something I have had to contend with. There are recent articles addressing the pandemic's effect on men, particularly the isolation. Isolation is linked to poor health outcomes, especially regarding cardiovascular disease and dementia.
Keep up the great work you do on the podcast! I swear that I can hear sheep bleating in the background. 😉🤣
Excellent points! We’ve got to double-click on some of these topics you’re bringing out in your comment.
@50:23 I started associating with witnesses at age 12 or so. At 12, I was not developed enough to have the critical thinking skills or access to information people have now or life experiences or ability to ask questions to see how being part of Watchtower is a bad idea. With that in mind, it was not a mistake joining JW. I could not have known better. I did have fun and met great people, I do admit that. I am also glad I left after I got older and realized something is wrong. At my age no, I have nothing to do with religion. I can see the nonsense a mile away. I am not 12 years old still.
@59:43 In America we say "grade school", 'high school' etc. In British English and countries previously ruled by the United Kingdom, they say "Form".
Something is up in this world, too much is happening! How can people ignore what's going on? Pretending things are normal - strange days, we're in!
i would really like to share my exit experience...I was in for about 30 yrs...leaving was so confusing...i felt like I was being forced out.my ex was a presiding overseer in a congregation in NY and Illinois we both pioneered and he was an elder when he retired the problems really escalated..he had never conducted an sort of family study which I spoke to other elders about...I was told to go home and be in submission....he had what amounted to a group of older sisters who were very in love with him to the point that they would treat me very badly i am sure he was saying things to them about me...several of them admitted it..in time he began to spend time with a married sister about 20 yrs younger.they would work in service..alone he would meet her for breakfast lunch and or dinner...people would see them and call me I would ask them to please report it to the elders...i was dealing with Lymes disease and fibromyalgia...he did nothing to help me...his association with the sister went on for 2 yrs....he said to me I don;t understand why i can't have both of you...I went to the elders many times....i finally called and demanded that elders come to the house and deal with this situation....everyone in several congregations was aware of the situation....elders came and it was immediately obvious that their idea was to get me under control..I wasn't having it...things went from bad to worse....other things happened..he was removed as residing overseer and elder and pioneer....all of which was of course my fault...he left and moved in with the girls parents...about a yr later the husband was arrested for spouse abuse which my ex and the mans wife had staged.he was removed from the home and my ex remained in the home alone with the woman for 2 yrs....finally our divorce was final so I moved to california... it took another 2 yrs for my ex and the woman to be df...at that time I was told I was not scripturally free to remarry because my ex had threatened to sue if I was free i began to write letters to headquarters...i was told to stop.i did not stop...about 3 months later i was contacted by elders saying there was a protocol to deal with my situation...it consisted of 3 elders coming to my apt.asking me very personal questions...asking for very detailed sexual info.it was demeaning and quite disgusting....several months went by..they came to my apt many times...eventually they came and said i would not be dealt with judicially if I decided to remarry i was so disgusted by the whole process..along with all that I had seen thru 30 yrs of being a witness...so much hypocrisy...so much wrong....once I was divorced I was treated so badly...in so many ways by brothers and sisters....my ex is still living with the same woman 12 yrs later....the mother of the woman who he started all of this mess with....a congregation was closed because of this...it was a real scandal...that's why I moved to california...i had pioneered...not worked secularly..so when I found myself out.with no support...it really was devastating...to this day I am 69 yrs old and live in a rented room...thrown to the wolves by my husband and the organzation...i just say the video about Mike Penkava..I knew him he is a good man..so sad what happened to him...I also knew Polidoro in NY and Illinois..
You need to get in one of these interviews
My mom went through something very similar with how she was treated by the elders when my dad had his affairs, which she eventually found out he’d had through the whole marriage. The brothers didn’t believe her, almost identical to what you’re describing and I remember her saying she wrote letters to the society. The only difference was I don’t think my dad had affairs with anyone in the Hall. But… my mom died an active JW. She still chalked that whole mess up to “imperfect people” that she wasn’t going to allow to make her “lose out on life”. I do believe some of those elders that did her that way ended up being removed eventually though.
Left 13 years ago. I've started voting 3 years ago. I've celebrated many birthday and now Christmas.
If a Witness who passed back in the '70s came back today, they would be DF'ed because of "apostasy". Types and antitypes done away with, the branch that the Borg was sitting on, was cut off. Yesterday's "understanding" is tomorrow's "apostasy".
I had nightmares for years as well as very negative, dark, intrusive thoughts about death and destruction, my family members dying and being destroyed. The idea of a paradise that comes about AFTER all of your loved ones and friends are dead never brought about a warm and fuzzy feeling. Even as a kid I could see through it but I wanted so badly to believe. All of this was around and before the age of 10 for me and continued beyond that age. I was raised on the Bible Story book, The Great Teacher book, etc. I've sat at conventions being bored to death and pinched by my mother for being a CHILD and not being able to pay attention for 9 hours straight listening to some old man with liver spots drone on and on. Seeing all those images and hearing about the impending doom really did a number on me. It's taken YEARS to get to the point where I started listening to the bells going off in my head about the JW doctrine and the way they do things. My mother is still neck deep in it and it's scary because she is almost incapable of forming and discussing her own thoughts; thoughts that do not have a root in their doctrine. She's been a baptized JW for over 20 years, probably closer to 30 years at this point, and the resentment and anger I have towards her is 100% rooted in her choices to put JW things first while her actual life fell apart to the detriment of her own children. As I type this she has no home, has no career, no savings, is driving a beat up car and has her belongings strewn about in different family members houses ALL because she refuses to take care of "worldly" things. She lives on my couch and her sister's couch and spends her time worrying about what Jehovah is going to do to the "evil" people of the world rather than taking care of herself the way she is capable of doing.
I told my mother about my nightmares and the thoughts I was having and how they scared me and scarred me and she in no uncertain terms defended the doctrine and ignored the aspect of me being negatively affected by it. It's almost as if she is brainwashed and can't see what is actually happening to her and what happened to me.
I've had horrible experiences dealing with some JWs over the years as I tried off and on to study and to become baptized. Something in me just won't allow me to take that step because I just can't trust what they teach and how they do things. The changes in practices and how they very, VERY, carefully use their words to pull the wool over people's eyes through their print and media system. The weekly meetings I attended as a kid, the way I was always on the outside of every group of kids because I couldn't connect with them because of the doctrine that was POUNDED into my skull as a child that every non-JW person in the world was going to eat me and try to destroy me. I've suffered a great deal of residual pain because of my mother's involvement in the JW organization and I don't think I'll ever be 100% cured from the shit stain prints they left on my soul.
Clever offering a little financial incentive for doing research!...great show.
I enjoy watching your programme Celine and JT
I wish my wife would see the light
Am glad I listen to you JT and Lady Cee
Courage!
Sometimes I want to be on the show. I’m still scared I have a few people who will hate me. If they see me. Third generation and 40 years out. My parents have pasted away now I’m free. My mother was so smart she could been anything. She gave her life to this crap. I’m happy she enjoyed real life the time she was disfellowship. I love you all for your great work. Exposing these monsters.
Jt
I bounce back between El Salvador 🇸🇻 Ethiopia 🇪🇹 and Canada 🍁
I finally hime in Canada 🇨🇦 and I’m faded
So I’m here until end December
Just to present divorce to my ex Bcs she’s 💯 % with the GB
It’s sad see my daughter still brainwashed 😏 I met amazing Ethiopian lady who loves me inside abs out and we watch your videos and Lloyd and many others too... I’m free guys !!!
It hurts me to see so many being completely brainwashed ... I do feel and believe many are waking up ⬆️ everywhere ... they’re just scared 😱
My closest friend growing up is Ethiopian sister for 30 years ... she was married to ex co pedofile ... now she divorced ... she once told me she marry me in new world 🌍 if I was free !?? Even though I was married ..... so this all caused my life problems ... but I’m full awake .. and I ran away from her my ex and the Borg
It hurts Bcs I really loved her and many people inside the org.. I feel like trying to wake them up ⬆️ write the Ethiopian sister and my daughter letters about what’s going on
Anyways ... I’m feeling like yes we are ahead 3-5 years ... and I will not step in a Kingdom Hall again or talk to no elder
Hey love you both !! So does hirut 👩🏽🇪🇹🙋♂️🇪🇹🇨🇦🇸🇻💯 she’s my biggest blessing I’m lucky to move on and have a happiness in my life again. We are compatible in all and I don’t have the Borg in my life or bedroom anymore. Ok lots love thx JT lady cee some of our hero’s
Thank you for your amazing shows
@57:47 "Uni" = University. it is common in British English-speaking countries like Britain; but so so much in America.
45:00 Lady Cee keeping it real 💜
The arm...talk
😂
@47:57 Another story from my time in Nigeria. People buy cows and slaughter them at home. Families hire a professional butcher and kids get to watch him kill and cut the cow up. This is specially true with Muslims during their festive season where the meat is intended to distribute as part of the religion. My American mother though never allowed me to watch. Anyway. It was normal and kids are okay seeing it. If kids in America cannot handle "My Book of Bible Stories"; I don't think they can handle seeing a cow getting its neck cut and bleeding out. This is cultural so it is not something bizarre. I am just point out a cultural difference.
Leaving a cult yes!
Not reading the Bible for oneself nor knowingJesus is sad
But often occurs when coming from a cult
The Bible tells it like it is. The Bible talks about Jesus return and yet JW and Co say they know when Jesus will return. Terrifying.
Lady Cee, not sure what you've been doing i.e.diet, exercise, but you look great!❤
Actually , That was supposed to be a illustration of
CHRIST , stepping on Satan ( getting bruised in the heel , while about to Crush the Serpent's Head ) in the "Paradise" book ! 😉
However you guys are Sure Right , about That book 🙄 ability to
Frighten us as Kids !! On the Positive side it literally helped me
to Both Read & Write 📝 at the Weekly Book study !
Which was Held at 👉 My Family's house ! (Of all places 🤦)
I had the "privilege" of preparing our living room ( with All those
Folding chairs 🙆 ) for the "friends" in our "Service group" showing up Every Tuesday night ! Oh , the Memories of 1959-61
11:50
I disagree.
I wrote a disassociation letter.
Writing a letter is the only way to express oneself officially. I did not meet with the elders because that’s a waste of time. They already know what’s wrong with the organization’s teachings and don’t care. So that meeting not a forum for us to express ourselves.
The Organization does not allow us to have our say.
Therefore, writing a letter is a final act of defiance, and the first act of exercising my own agency, my freedom to choose.
It’s me giving them the finger as I walk out of the Kingdom Hall.
Each person is free and can do whatever they like, but for me, I say grow some balls and write it.
When I was in Nigeria as a kid (my father brought his family over from America to live there), "My Book of Bible Stories" was used as a textbook at schools. Every kid had one in school. It was not that graphic to me. During time kids gather to watch TV after school; sometimes shows end too early, so interludes (filler shows) are shown (not down in America though). One show showed a woman giving birth uncensored for like 10 minutes on a network many kids watched to see cartoons. I saw how elastic lady's part are as a kid on TV; after a kid-show. So to me, "My Book of Bible Stories" was mild.
Yes, different cultures. Thanks for sharing your experience.
he talks about doubts but he doesnt mind engaging in pagan ritual meant for pagan gods you mean he had no doubts about that?
Where is your logic or reasoning? I celebrate Christmas and I believe in no god. You need to care about why ppl do things before you attempt to criticize their reasoning. What ‘pagan’ thing do you think this guy believes in??
In the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses they practice rejecting the blood and body of Christ in the Lord's Supper!
"STOP, LOOK, LISTEN: Luke 8:17 "For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, nor is there anything carefully hidden that will never become known and never come to light." it is part of the new covenant that Jesus made with his disciples to eat the bread that represents his body and drink the wine that represents his blood, how will you have eternal life? (Luke 22:19,20). doctrine of men or the word of GOD?" observe (John ch 3:16,17) 16-“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever exercises faith in him may not be destroyed but have eternal life. 17-For God did not send his Son into the world that he might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him." observe (John ch 6:53-57) 53- So Jesus said to them, "I say- to you with all certainty: Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 - He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I do. I will rise again at the last day, 55- for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56- Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. Just as the Father who lives sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on me will live because of me. the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". notice what Jesus said: Matthew 23:13 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because they close the kingdom of heaven to men; for you yourselves do not enter, nor do you let in those who are on their way to enter." look at the Conclusion of Jesus (John ch 10: 09,10) 9- I am the door; whoever enters by me will be saved, and will enter and he shall go out, and find pasture.” 10- A thief comes only to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.
the only problem for Jehovah's Witnesses is not to take as an example what Jesus instituted in their memory, which was to eat and drink the emblems in the Lord's Supper! for it is one baptism and one hope of eternal life. Ephesians 4: 4-6 note 4- There is one body and one spirit, just as you were called in a hope to which you were called; 5- one Lord, one faith and one baptism; 6- God, unique and Father of all, who is above all, and through all and in all.
I hear u am more happier now since am not a Jehovah's Witness anymore.
I wonder what happened to yahoo answers. 😉🤔
😲🤭🤔
Yahoo shut it down earlier this year unfortunately. I loved going on there and helping people on the Baby Names part😂😂😂
@@zuglymonster Those were the days 😂
@@WatchtowerofBabel lmao one day I had a big list of all the baby names some lady had asked questions about it was like 20 names she wanted a good combo of so I wrote them all down and came up with some and someone in my family had found the list and thought I was trying to have a baby. Thankfully me telling them about the website was all I needed to do to get them to know I wasn't trying to have a baby
@@zuglymonster That's cool lol
if possible leave the watchtower for the right reasons the reasons that no one can defeat
Misuse of God's Inspired Word and Christ Jesus'teachings in God Almighty's name..
Thats a reason...
Meaning- misuse knowingly...
e.g.The Shepherd the Flock of God book being used instead of John17:17
Psalms 107:20
Instead of Acts 17:11
Matthew 10:16-31...and many etc's..
False prophecy..
Saying Ch Jesus knows the day and hour when he said times and seasons belong to Father ( Acts 1:6,7,8)
Matthew 24:36...
Mmmm.
hi lady c and jt!!!
👋🏼
happy turkey day! :-)))))
The eight cult leaders of JW's are always making decisions with cash revenues in mind. The development of the best of production facilities is recognition of how much can be charged to rental such a resource to outside production companies. Tyler Perry would be proud to own Mount Ramapo! I am in favor of giving this expression of "new light" the Bible based name of "Holywood". Can I get an amen?
Special evening today - Day of the Covenant, when Abdul-Baha became 'the Head'of the Bahai religion.. Appointed by his Father. I assume? (The Branch, Zech 3:9) The 100 year memorial of 'his Ascension' is this Saturday.. Nov. 28, 1921 - Haifa, Palestine. ☆£☆
interesting conversation it is something how they talk about high control but a stop sign is control a job is control but i guess if you are getting paid they dont mind
6:00 I was 8.
I am the first one, make me feel like when I would take the group out lol
LOL!!!
Check the videos of Proffessor /doctor James Tour. Origens of life. Lots of information that helped me.
complaint +complaint - light= zero
Are you complaining?
I don't think you can find happiness no other way besides worshiping the true god.there is life after death
I’m happy and comfortable and I believe in no god. Many others are just the same. So you are wrong
Should You Stay Loyal to the Family Religion (1 minute) th-cam.com/video/0GKIRAz8IQM/w-d-xo.html
John17:17
Acts 17:11
Psalms146
Micah 7
1John4:1
Re the unscriptural action called disfellowshipping-Ezekiel 45:9
Acts 5:29
So-Since in Gods Word it is written ....1Corinthians 11:3(heads~>Father, Jesus,Man,Woman...But Acts 5:29...
And- as a female...Men disobeying Christ Jesus & Father are not ones we would obey or submit to...Why?...Because, if they are disobeying Christ and Father- then we obey them...We are letting them be our god and conscience...
Think Shepherd the Flock of God book...put before scripture ( Where is Ps 107:20..Hebrews 4:12,13).?
Where is Christ as High Priest?
Matthew 6:6-14?..
Father is so merciful...Psalms 139:14-17
James 2:10-13
Father and Jesus see all...
Ez34
Jer23
Nothing covered over( hidden) will not become uncovered ...secret that will not become known...
It seems our King( Ch J) is doing that now for his Father and humanity...
Ezekiel 6-10
condoning gaytoring is endorsing human extinction
Never heard such a term before. But if you’re talking about gay ppl then you have no idea what you’re talking about. Heterosexuals continue to exist. You want to encourage gay ppl to have sex with opposite gender and have kids so that humanity doesn’t go extinct ? We aren’t really having a population problem. And I’m pretty sure you know that. You are just a bigot.
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Love it!
@@ExJWCriticalThinker All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible????????
critical thinking i guess he left that somewhere seeing how he endorses evolution when there is zero proof of it but i guess it is the fall back excuse
There is actually a lot of proof for it. DNA analysis between species and within species bears it out among other forms of evidence.
And just look at dogs for a clear example. These house pets came from wolves. Humans domesticated and have bred them in such a way as to control for certain traits. Their evolution was accelerated. They are no longer wolves. And they are quite varied as well.
@@singed8853 when did you see them come from wolves?
Have to stop by Evolution. Hello! Jehovah + Jesus?!
Yes watchtower does destroy people
Most of these ex witnesses doesn't deserve any attention at all. Ask me why if you dare
Wow, there is a large uptick of Jehovah's Witnesses frequenting the exjw community. You all must be bored at your Zoom meetings. Anyway, thanks for adding to the algorithm.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker you must be the ex communitys smart guy
Why
@@debramills740 many many of them have abused others inside when they were witnesses. And none of them have come forward and apologized to them or taken any responsibility towards these persons. There are many many psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists in there abusing others. These predators MUST take their responsibility.
And now that they are ex-witnesses, they want to stand in the spotlight and get enormous attention from the secular. No no no hell no. Fuck them all
Don’t deserve attention from who? Disrespectful ppl like yourself who have no substance to say - just empty insults? Agreed - they don’t deserve that attention
you are wanting to do what you want but you are mad at the watchtower for doing what they want huh how does that work?
Oh they both want the same things? Pretty sure the people on the video don’t want to control others but do want to enjoy their lives and not be treated like garbage. Meanwhile watchtower wants to control ppl. Which desire (‘want to do’’) do you believe people might be more apt to hate?
@@singed8853 huh it is obvious that people that want no control want to do as they want just like the watchtower does what it wants
@@leejohnson6328 Watchtower seeks to control people - as evidenced by its shunning policy, judicial committees, and culture of obligation to the organization (expectation for showing up to meetings, going outside talking about god, and filling out timecards). I don't know what you don't get - if I don't like that Hitler attempted a genocide - it means I'm hypocritical for watching youtube vids, playing video games? Because Hitler's attempted genocide was him doing what he wanted, and I'm doing what I want as well so I can't criticize him? Where is the sense in that?
@@singed8853 i have no idea what you are talking about. being told what to do is not really an issue because we all are told what to do from time to time. the issue is what we are told to do is it right or wrong
@@leejohnson6328 Agreed - the issue is the content of what people are telling others to do. Therefore, there is zero hypocrisy in someone hating what watchtower tells people to do - unless that person tells people to do the same exact thing. The people on this video are not suggesting people do the types of things watchtower says - and unlike watchtower, do not advocate coercion (punishment) for not following their 'advice' or 'direction.' That's the answer for you in "'how that works'.
By the way - being 'told what to do' (in a coercive way) sounds kind of ridiculous with respect to a supposed religious organization. This is part of what makes it a cult. It's control, control, control. People should not accept being told what to do as if they have masters - unless it's their boss, or someone they have a contract with, or their parents. Letting others be the master of your mind is not a healthy and productive way to live.
CAN I GET A MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM EVERYONE THAT LEFT THIS CULT?
Thanks!
Many thanks! Appreciate ya!