I woke up at 57, started fading late 2018 and haven’t been back since 2019. Felt like bricks were lifted from me. I am much happier. I can plan, dream, and be myself
@@ExJWCriticalThinker They leave the Jehovah's witnesses to which way between the 2 Mathew 7:13-14?and all different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible?‽??????
@@flowerpower3618 There is no punishment for not going the Christian way or any other way. We have free will, that means we don't have to follow anyone's teachings to be happy. Buddhists are loving as well and they practice love and respect more so than many Christians do. The practice of Zen is very tranquil and literally changes the chemical makeup in our brains and helps us live a peaceful, tranquil life. Following our inborn gut instincts is literally all we need. When we give that up to follow someone else's teachings, we give away our free will. No need to follow any of the above and be devoted to it. They all have one belief in common - LOVE. That is all we need to practice without all the other garbage and the world will be a great place to live.
@@loricline6782 Exactly. I am so turned off by organized religion now. I say my religion is Kindness & acceptance. No more mind control. Congratulations to you & your husband!
Since I left the cult of JWs I have stopped drinking so much and my happiness level has sky rocketed. The cognitive dissonance is no longer there and I have peace of mind.
Good for you! I was drinking heavily while we were in also. I was on anti-anxiety and anti-depressant meds. I am off of all of it. The cognitive dissonance tortured me for decades. I’m glad you are free. ❤️
@@jwrobin21 well it started with, Is the gb really inspired? Then it moved to is the Bible really the inerrant word of god and inspired? The latest version of the watchtower’s translation put that to rest.
@@hustonmices3976 To top it all, when it comes to the crunch, ITS THE STUDIES IN SCRIPTURE and the other WatchTower Literature that is really inerrant. I ask them about the Prophetic (pathetic?) revelation that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would return and how a house (Beth Sarim) was built for them in San Diego but when this did NOT happen, Judge Rutherford lived in it and then it was quietly sold. I am so unpopular with them that even after the Covid Ban lifted and other Christian groups have returned to the city centre, THEY HAVE NOT! Some witnesses.
This was outstanding. Such a great discussion. Lori’s experience really spoke to me. Over time, looking back I always had doubts. It never felt right. I got baptized at 19 and that was considered late! I didn’t fade out until almost 20 years later. It’s never too late! And yes, hearing that someone 81 years old did it is huge encouragement for many of us with family still stuck. Thank you so much for this interview!
Truly an interesting conversation . 85 years old and leaving the watchtower . This is inspiring . Must be something wrong . Thanks for sharing many blessings to everyone .
I enjoyed this interview so much. I started "waking up" when I was 14. I felt the same as Lori when it happened... these people are Stepford wives and when I looked around the Hall, there were all blank faces. It felt like I was in the twilight zone.
The last convention for me was 2017 I looked around and observed and realized they are so “programmed “. I decided never to return , being baptized in 1975.
Powerful idea expressed by JT, namely, we have all the pieces today to complete the WT puzzle of deception. So true, getting the complete WT story validates the doubts and liberates the soul.
Bingo!!!!! This way we know we are not going "Crazy" Thinking that we hearing and seeing things that no one else sees or hears going on Since we cannot have open and Frank discussions without being accused of hating God we all remain silent for years Today is a new day technology is a game changer Wt cannot control the flow of info today JT
When true knowledge is abundant you can see especially of late That the governing body The two witnesses Have indeed been striking earth with plagues. That is what a two thousand year old scripture..says Rev 11:5 & 6 Maybe not what we expected. Humility is needed The jews in jesus time also got confused When will jesus come and uproot every rotten thing ? That's the Christ they had expected..and Did the wrong thing rejecting him. Rev 19:15 Iron rod sheperding Does not benefit the sheep.. You think..and you ll work out why it is
Totally relate , spent so much time out but mentally in! I knew something wasn't right with the org but just couldn't put my finger on it there was no YT or internet at that time. The GB are running scared all members are one click away from the real truth. No matter the age or standing in the congregation just one click away . Great interview so happy this couple are free.
Of course..the God of the bible knew nothing of social media There's no reference made to it In scripture.. What language would ezekiel use to explain this modern feature ? A virtual world that exists in the ether You write but it's not on literal paper How could that be conveyed to our day Of late l seem to meditate and Like clouds Clouds covering the land Apostates..and ex jw s Without traveling on the ground Have been able to unite From farthest left and further right Those blaspheming like John cedars His poor wife.. No longer able to believe there's a Creator Sadly disillusioned in life Along with atheists..combined With one voice..allies A community against the governing body.. Ezekiel prophesied 3000 years plus back Part of Gogs final attack. It had always been something fearful to me And here we are.. Things happen first..virtually On social media.. Things happen fast.
There are roles the Governing Body are playing. Prophets at times did strange role playing or drawing a story on a tile or brick.. These days TV and actors get to be stars.. The GB have been playing roles including the recent Man of lawlessness..a false prophet..telling false stories.. It's an act.. Convincing..but ..still an act. Rev 19:15..Iron rod like policies.. Think of the traditional sheperds tool.. No self respecting sheperd would turn up to sheperd sheep with an IRON rod.. ROD.. NOT a staff..
All I heard while growing up was 'avoid apostate literature'. Apart from the 2 or 3 books I can now name that would fit this bill, by far the most apostate literature there is would be pre-2000 WT publications 🤣
@@RickPzazz When you look at it objectively..the manna God provided daily was just the same.. Once it was a day old it turned to worms and disgusting to look at let alone eat..
Hey guys. On a day off when I saw the notification for your video I was so happy. I'm sitting here watching this episode and as always it's great. It's amazing how destiny intertwines two people, how they could meet again 30 years later after both having had marriages and families. Absolutely amazing love story!
Glad you enjoyed it We need more voices like yours as well You bring your experiences to the table of discussion allowing others to see they can leave and make it as well JT Love the HANDLE
They may go bankrupt The religion could be dissolved because Of the 1914 generation has died off That’s part of the organization teaching. The wheels has fallen off.
Thank you for having the courage to express how you felt. For years I was not convinced, but went along with it, commenting and field service, because I thought I was not good enough and if only I tried harder, I would have the faith that all my friends appeared to have. I wonder now how many of them are also going through the same doubts, but have family in and are therefore trapped.
I hated going out on service and having parts in the ministry school. It never felt natural to me to push my faith & beliefs on others. It always made me so uncomfortable!
Even as Little Children 👶🧑🦲🧑🦱 , Isn't it Amazing , how One can Sense when "Something" doesn't seem Right ? 🤔 As Time passes . . It begins to CLEARLY 👈 Not make Sense !! 🤨 💁🏻Especially for us 3rd & 4th Generation "JW's !! ( Well , now EXJW's ☺️)
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Working with Gog..being his ally.. Does ezekiel point out such ones are upright in Gods eyes ? The title 'The man of lawlessness ' sounds like something negative..against all that God stands for..thats what it suggests .. Yet.. He was RECKONED WITH THE LAWLESS ONES.. Of Christ himself that was said !! Swiping after the slave of the high priests head..Peter took off his ear.. Jesus had expected a sword would be needed.. There was that prophecy he had to play his part to fulfill.. And he did.. He asked before he was arrested.. Are there swords.. Here are two.. It Is enough.. Rome had a law at that time against ones being armed .. So he was reckoned with the LAWLESS from Romes..PERSPECTIVE. RAHAB TOO was from the people living in jerichos perspective .. By hiding the lsraelite spies..She lied But we re told how her faith resulted in her household being spared their lives She broke their laws ! So perhaps we need to pause.. Think about the parallels and Gods active force How now..the witnesses have all the kingdom hall doors closed behind them In their interior rooms on zoom..
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Is it a good thing Being an ally of Gog ? He has everything yet it isn't enough.. With what words would you describe that Trait? Little did we know..obscured from our eyes with cloud by day We disfellowshipped and shunned Would be used as bait As ezek 38 doesn't say.
This is way too true. I was put on private reproof at one point, SI I wasn't allowed to comment in the meeting s. They didn't realize that was a reward instead of a punishment. I hated parroting comments and going door to door.
LOL! I hated everything about the JWs but the watchtower study trying to brainwash us with comments which actually were on the first two lines of each paragraph (watching folks act like they were putting the answer in their own words was so funny) and going to field service were the worst! They used to teach us how to put our foot in the door whenever someone tried to close the door!
@@marywoods430 After some toe-crushing experiences, I’m guessing that some of the guys started wearing steel-toed construction boots… 😂! Just kidding, of course, I’m an exjw myself, faded back in the 80s…
Now I can better understand the reaction I get when I talk to the JW's on their stalls in my local town. To say they do NOT like talking to me is an understatement! They have got the police, security and their own in house heavies to try and intimidate me: I just got the phone out and started recording - THEY HATE THAT! About a third of them just blanked me, a third packed up their stall and walked off or stopped coming back and about a third really put a brave face on and talked to me about anything EXCEPT God: some witnessing.
@@jwrobin21 Never fear, the buybull states that, if he wants, god can make the stones talk-or is that make the STONED talk 😂. Can’t remember.. So there’ll always be witnessing done…
I started sloooowly fading when I married outside the faith when I was 20 years old (baptized at 17). I still went back & forth being active & inactive for about 4-5 years because I had my daughter and needed to do the “right thing” and raise her in the “truth”. I finally faded out completely, and 12 years later is when I am truly waking up! All this information that I NEVER knew…never even thought existed, is what has helped me completely open my eyes and stop feeling guilty for not raising my kids in this religion. I am so thankful to channels like this one! Thank you!
It's when you piece together the ingredients required of prophecy..thst you begin to see how amazing Jehovah is..4000 years ago..he had men pen his words !! Ezek 38.. Accumulated properties serve a purpose..as bait Though ezek 38 doesn't.say it.. The breaking up of families the president was very upset by.. Whereupon he rendered them extreme.. In short time after he had awarded a witness family ..see youtube. He was MADE to turn 180 degrees.. Amazing ..truly.. This is Gogs final attack..he is coming with clouds..which cover the land.. Which sounds a bit like the way an ancient language unaware of todays wide reaching technology..🤔on whose side of this conflict will we prove to be. Are we allies of..or part of Gogs crowd ?
@@mamat5922 Is JW religion not from God? Do they not based their faith on the bible? Please don't think this in a wrong way. I am curious and serious to know it. I hope to received a message from you.
That’s crazy your story sounds almost identical to mine. I married at 20 also outside but was back and forth active and inactive. Actually recently went back but basically went back as a PIMO largely due to still having family in and also wanting my children to get Bible education. It’s very interesting seeing things kind of with fresh eyes. Things have changed so much.
I just met a jw and he wants to get married. I told him I won't convert he also says he doesn't want to push his beliefs on me. He invited me to his group but I don't think I am interested. But also I know over time they will try to get I his head with judgment over me...how should I handle this? Should I still move forward with him?
Fantastic interview.. Once and individual wakes up and in a meeting. Everyone in the KH seem to be like robots and very scary to see. The A&E special did it for me, once I saw that special I had no dough in my mind that these individuals where lying. Everything they said was exactly what I had been observing for years. The organization use the same lines to cover for their lies (Jehovah will take care of it, It is in Jehovah hands or what other organization is as great as this one) Once I has stop going an elder came to see me and I told him everything I found clearly, I don't play and they know that. That brother panic so much he couldn't find the handle in my door fast enough as he said he had to go. I have never heard from any of them and they have not maid any announcement of me being disfellowship. I indicated that if my daughter stop talking to me do to any announcement like it, I will make it my job to track each and everyone of them. They know what I will do to them... homie don't play.
Great video thank you Lori and Dan for sharing your story. So true we think something is wrong with us when we question the JW teachings. Thank you JT and Lady Cee for your continued activism exposing this cult.
I woke up this year 2022. I'm completely mind blown! I love Jehovah God. I do not understand why the organization would drift away from the Bible standards. I Now will worship 🙌 Jehovah God through Jesus Christ name without religion.
The JW skipped 1850 yrs of Christianity. Jesus said “I will be with you for all times” Mt 28 JW have Nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus started one church and said it would last forever The Roman Catholic Church has lasted 2000yrs
I said the same thing when I left jws 3 years ago. I have since decided to not call him Jehovah as it had been imprinted on my mind with attached teaching and feelings. You can do so if you wish but if you find that guilt is riding on your shoulders or you routinely refer to a teaching. It’s ok to address him as your father, abba.. he is your Heavenly Father regardless of how you call him. So long as you are able to call to him without being controlled or held back by any lingering imprints. Happy you are free!
I went by mom’s house today and her husband was on zoom. I asked my mom why she wasn’t she said that her husband was pioneering because they had circuit overseer. I asked her how that works when you don’t go door to door. Then I saw the letters laying on the table. Crazy!
@@cassandrasmom I like to ask awkward questions, usually about the over lapping generation or CSA to see their take on it, hoping bring doubt to their faith.
What an excellent discussion! So so relatable on so many levels… I listened with intent and was so uplifted as I also feel the peace and calm after leaving after so many years in that cult. At 69, I’m still the same woman that I was only a new and improved model. Lol
🤗🤗 They are Narcissist's and Love to be put on pedestals, They love to be spoken about and be praised. They give talks at assemblies/con-ventions, and everyone runs up to them " oh you gave such a great talk" they believe they are the top of any cake. Disgusting. The Watchtower teachings are not the truth. It's about Money. The 8 will go off to their pre destination vacation place and the brainwashed will think they have gone to Heaven. Thank You Jt and Lady C, love you both.
JT @ 49:20 I remember rushing out to cry after the meetings. I was just lonely and sad. Glad I am out. Your channel helps fill the void. Living as an ex jw in a non jw world is very do-able, but I really miss family and some old friends that are still in. Your channel helps alleviate the pain of lost years and family connections. So glad to be free of the WTB&S.
I think I must be weird because I loved the Tues night book study and the Circuit Assemblies. I was a quiet, shy, and lonely person, so I gathered; that's why I liked being a Witness (mostly). And I had a great Witness family that really liked me and were generous, loving, and sincere. I didn't have any family in the religion, so it really felt good being a part of a family. I've been out for very long time and don't plan on going back of course, it's just that when I hear ppl say they hated meetings or assemblies, I can't relate because I looked forward to the companionship and I loved to learn and study (another weird trait).
JT you where talking about the Robotic aspect of the org.....i remember serving in a certain Bethel, where the branch overseer would say " the blade of grass that sticks up is the one that gets cut"
I recently got out after 28 years. I woke up at the same time while I was also was leaving my ex. He laughed in my face when I said I was going to the elders to get help. He told me he would get nothing more then a slap on the hand and prayer to guid him to do better. He was right. So many more things happened but that was a huge start to my waking up. I lived everyday in hell and yet I was always to blame and always the one that had to give more. They knew the situation in the home and yet I was disfellowshipped and he is honored as a JW hero because he “stayed faithful”. I was disgraced because I am a woman that wouldn’t shut up and do as I was told. Thank you for this video!
When I was new in the religion, I went to a door and an elderly man told me his wife had died. So, I tried to comfort him with the resurrection hope and that he’d see her again. He looked at me and said, “I don’t want to ever see her again.” I was at the door by myself and I didn’t know what to say. I think I just left. Felt very sad and weird!
I thought you I were telling a joke But I realized this is what he said and meant I guess the message of hope of seeing her again was not in his cards JT
Very informative and encouraging interview, what a fab couple, JT and Lady C your doing such upbuilding and educational work, may you be blessed in all your endevours by the creator of life................💖
Most keep following & do not question. Wt keeps up continual focus & does not allow the Jw minds to get distracted! Much like entertaining a cat with a ball of wool The cat will chase it every time it is moved! Great interview guys!
Very interesting! I m from Germany (pimo) . I got a letter from a brother who was an elder(he died years ago) . He wrote that in 1949 in Berlin at the convention they said “it’s later than you think” . That’s how far back they been telling us this BS. I know he and his wife thought they would never die. The last few years before he passed away he never mentioned Jehovah anymore. Looking back, I think he may have woken up.
Recent WT policy changes about “adulterous marriage” and people who suspect their spouse/ex of adultery being allowed to be “scripturally free” are, I suspect, a reaction to experiences like Lori’s
I always had a lump in my throat. I never felt comfortable out in service!! Just knew this was NOt the "TRUTH" 37 years. My sister and her family still in since the 60s. Just the dots never was connecting. I read my Bible. The only wat to the Father is thru Jesus Christ!! Been thru bad experience. Great story!! Just disassociated myself.
Interestingly enough one of the very last things my mom said to me before cutting me completely off was "I am sorry you cannot connect the dots". The truth does not need dots connected. It will just be connected on its own. Like my husband said, there should not have to be mental gymnastics to make it work.
Wow! Lori's last share gives me hope! Praying my father (an elder ) wakes up...though I know he's praying my husband, family and I who are all christian wake up. Holding on to my Faith & hope! 🙏🏾
Another great video thanks for sharing this with me, but, to me, you got the best education, because you learned how to be the fool, which is the best education because it's the hardest degree to pass with out getting in any trouble and also you pass the education degree with the teachings of the false religion teaches that makes the statement that their the mouth peace of God, no other religion teaches that they are the mouth peace of God, and you grow up through that, is the best education of any degrees, keep up the great job of helping people who are still living in fear of the WTBTS organization, thank you all,
The truth will set u free ...it drained me mentally lots of feeling guilty u wasn't doing enough worrying about being destroyed in the end feeling guilt that u might not see your loved ones again ...cruel Gods love not this chap.
Lori could be me! I wasn’t born in but rest is the same, you get to a certain age and realize you’re in a cult! Hated field service, I was pioneering and I started pioneering because I hated FS and thought if I did more, I’d love it because obviously it was me that had the problem 🤷🏻♀️ I needed to pray and “do more” also answering at the hall was exactly like the stepford wives and I used that term over and over when I was getting out. My elder husband took 2 years longer to wake up. Thankfully the WHOLE family is out. Our eldest son 1st, then me then our youngest boy and husband left at same time. Great interview and I wish Dan & Lori all the best.
Thank you Lori for your story…you are making a difference🤩, much love to you and your hubby (glad we are connected)🥰♥️🥰 Lady C and JT I always love your interviews…you inspire so many. Thank you for your perseverance to educate the world and make others aware of the dangers of jw’s!! 🥰♥️🥰
Stepford wives!!! Ha! So true. Robotic, just trying to make it through to Paradise. They don't enjoy life. They don't know how as their everyday life is scripted for them. Imprisoned without the bars. Very sad.
I remember that wt study. What upset me was how they were referring to this as a “sin” and I commented and said we have to call it what is and that’s a “crime” and I said some other things. A brother (no elder or ministerial servant) came to me after the study and said my comment was so true😂 I thought that they would call me in the back room, but they didn’t.
What kills me is that to the JW’s the world is gonna end like tomorrow but they will make people wait 3 to 5 years to be reinstated it’s pure hypocrisy.
My friend was reinstated after 1 year. She was DF'd because of immorality (their words, not mine) like I was. But she started right back in being a good little witness and going to the meetings.
The sad thing is that most JW’s DO NOT WANT TO BE IN HEAVEN. It’s not that they don’t think no they will be, they DON’T WANT IT. They’re trained to feel this way…
I am a jw, I married a paedo then 14 years found out. He wasn’t disfellowshiped. I got divorced on the grounds of him being a paedo and he wasn’t ever allowed to be near my kids. Then I got told I could be scriptural divorced because of the two witness rule, which is stupid. I never did remarry but my eldest daughter became mentally Ill due to the abuse and lost her kids. I’m 70 and I’ve had her 6 kids for the last 8 years. Lovely kids. But elders have never helped us. I’m now only attending zoom because I don’t see the love and 1914 date is wrong etc
Many of our Practicing 👈 JW Friends . . Feel Fear 😨 . . when running into You !! 😆 And JT nailed it , about the 👉 Under Current 🌪️🌪️🌊 . . Now flowing through the Congregations World 🌎 wide ! 😉👌 Indeed , THEIR END 👈 is TRULY Near !! 👏☺️
JT and lady Cee i love your vidoes its true the elders are not trained to handel any of these things i also became fed with them which caused me to fade out of the organization and also the meeting were very boring and robotic i found difficult to pay attention honestly i spent most of the time looking at the sisters and fantasizing especially at assemblies and convetions
The best summation of JW's 'Bible Studies' The Watchtower had answers that could not be questioned: the students had questions that could not be answered.
Lockheed manufacturing or selling weaponry..yet the governing body have stocks and shares in companies like this.. Isn't thst hypocrisy?? It's fulfillment of prophecy See isa 2:2-4. They shall beat their swords and spears into plows and pruning shears.. You have to own it to change it.. Otherwise it's stealing ..funds or profits from those shares being used in peaceful..kingdom interests ..not reinvested in the war machinery. Amazing isn't it ! Jesus made a point about using unrighteous riches..making friends in the heavens by means of them. He also commended the sons of the kingdom for their PRACTICAL sense
@@compositioncompilation And The Bible also says "The love of money is the root of all evil!" Vernell, you could apply the exact same logic to owning a brothel: (I know, I am being silly as per usual!) So when The Governing Body predicted 'THE END OF THE WORLD' for the SEVENTH time in 1975 (did I miss something), did they 'buy extra oil for their lamps' to spread the light or did they invest in stocks and shares. You will find that they invested in stocks and shares. Now why would a Theocratic Organisation invest in making money whilst telling their members that the world is going to end that year? Should they not be spreading the word to the lost? Incidentally, how did The Watchtower explain that the world did not end? They just denied it by describing themselves with the statement, "We are NOT a date setting organisation because if we set a date and something does not happen then we are proven to be false prophets." (Well, they needed seven goes to learn this! Incidentally, The Temple has to be rebuilt before the world can end!)
@@jwrobin21 It's quite fascinating..when you realise.. They knew things but kept quiet.. Their assignment from Almighty God was revealed.. What would you have done if it was yours to accomplish.. Take this on personally rev 11:5 & 6. Implementing policies that are damaging and hurtful deliberately ! As often..and whenever you wish.. Strange assignment..isnt it !?
I am amazed more and more how JDuB matches the slavery narratives and make Jag look and sound insane. He gives all these talents and then forbids U to use them. Likewise Jag gives life and than forbids U to live it. Be the best slave you can be and live forever in the bye and bye.
Lori is completely right about the fire of JWs. As a recently faded JW they are closing ranks. They are on high alert for anything “negative” people said against organisation, no questions and they will not go there at all. Everyone is paranoid about each other and will not say they are struggling because weakness marks you as a suspected apostate. My friends have for awhile stopped associating with me due to not having the time to socialise because they are too busy on the hamster wheel. Socialising is at the meetings or field service because life is hard I. This economic climate and especially in the org. I noticed their behaviour towards me many months before I left even though I was playing the game. I am soo worried about one friend who is burning out and has major health issues because of this but she’s asleep.
Wonderful interview with Dan & Lori. Just a question for Dan. You mentioned or, touched on a Scientific topic that appeared to cross paths with the organization. May I ask what was in the Science "Box" that you were unable to check ✔ ??? Thanks
@@MrSprintcat 11:min48 sec:: Dan says he has a "Scientific Background" . 13min 38 sec:: "Things don't ring out (Scripturaly) or Logically" 14min 09 sec:; one can't challenge or question a Scientific STANCE. Just curious what's Dan's STANCE was !! Other than that, this was a Great interview by Lady Cee & JT with Dan & Lori. Thank You
So I'm lost .just like I was in the so called truth. Was it so bad for me to say crickets? Am I going to be disfellowshipped? Somebody asked a question and nobody answered so I said crickets what's the problem?
The. $64K Question: How will the org. Function post pandemic...For the life of me, I can't see it resuming to how it looked in Jan 2020..even though the articles and media their producing implies that...
I forgot to add that the families in my cong have recently told all families with kids to not let our kids near TWO brothers in the cong who are still allowed to give comments in congs
I hated going to service too! Lol! They would say it comes with practice. It’s not! This was always the most embarrassing thing to do. Years of pioneering and still it’s such a stupidity!😅
Great interview the more you hear these experiences you realise the true nature of the org is just a fraternity that uses an inverted semi/anti-Christian lexicon to hide behind. Recommend the book watchtower and the masons striking parallels.
On the topic of being anointed, I feel like the ways people would figure out they’re anointed (seeing “signs”, maybe numerical things, dreams, voices, etc) are all things technically we’d be told we shouldn’t dabble in. So I can see why he wouldn’t want to tell.
Very true comment on so called "supporting scripture" at about 40: 00 minutes in! I've noticed more since I've been expelled by 3 idiots unable to use scriptures for their basis of judgement; that the Watchtower uses "supporting texts" in their publications that don't support the statement made at all! Oh, it's RELATED TO THE COMMENT, but not a directly supporting text! So I find myself inserting the proper scriptures that support the statements, by writing them in the margin! I. E. the new Bible study aid, "Enjoy life on Earth Forever". I tune into their meetings sometimes or read the chapter being discussed and find myself saying, (after 55 years as a strong witness; ex-Bethelite, ex-elder, ), "how does this scripture support the statements you make; expecting the new Bible student to adopt this conclusion as "true"???
When was their ever a change on the view of marriage and death? It was always understood that marriage ended at death. You could choose to wait on your spouse or re-marry. I don’t know why that’s presented as a change. Now the belief breaking down the types and times of resurrections have changed and are a complete nonsensical cluster by the organization that could easily deter a spouse waiting.
They used to teach that if your mate died, once resurrected, they are “like the angels” which implied they would not marry. They now say that no one knows for sure. Big change in that doctrine.
@@loricline6782 Thanks for the reply! Do you remember the timeline? The website stops at 1970 for obvious reasons, but I am trying to build up information because I am writing a rebuttal on reasoning with Witnesses, that goes doctrine to doctrine, using only their publications, and no “apostate” material.
Exactly. I was in constant anxiety over that. I remarried and was so worried that in the new system I would be miserable because I was so afraid of the pain I would cause to my late husband and of course to myself by being in love with more than one man. It was just one more negative emotion from WT lies that I had piled on me while in. It becomes crippling and you live in this constant state of panic over everything. It has a rippling effect.
It creeps me out when someone claims to be something like one of the supposed anointed. I think those people have serious problems. Its really an attention grab and they do it for fame. You just know. Yea right.
Most all religions believe they are going to heaven. Nothing creepy about it. The witnesses changed their Bible to fit their own agenda. An earthly paradise is their made up reward. Anyone coming in from the "world" and other religions would have already felt the heavenly hope.
@@loricline6782 you're right. I'm looking at it from a jw's perspective. I just remember being young and thinking no one really knows who is anointed and who's not ,according to what jw's believe.
Not only that but all of their talk about obeying or fearing God is nonsense, if we screw up, our own karma will take care of it, if it's serious then law enforcement may become involved!
Lori's story, where she was married to a "brother" who was an abusive, cheating narcissist, who had been married 3 times (I was his 4th, at least to my knowledge) and then, having to go through that "2 witness rule" and wait and wait ✋️...for that "scriptural divorce"... pretty much, the same... 😮💨 Mind you, I had "tons" of "evidence" on him! Even a video of him admitting to me that he "had sex with ...". I had so so much evidence but... according to the elders on his case.. (they really tried and tried truly).. had gone to find him with my help with my own private investigation, they contacted the CO and whomever they could to try and help with this. That stupid "2 witness rule".. and I understand in some cases there has been ones who've lied but... let's let God handle those cases of liars who would do that too ok? It's just too much on the innocent ones 😕 😪 I too, have sat in a mtg or convention, heard a scriptural quote that just didn't quite match up with what was being presented! Or, just read on into the following or preceding scripts and thought ... that's odd! 🤔 But, like you, we just keep going and going bc for one, there is also much that is correct... it keeps you there! 🤷♀️. Or, yeah... I told myself, I wasn't strong enough and needed to work harder at that too! Thing is, the more I researched, studied, mtgs and service, the more questions it created! I just read the 1st 2 chapters (free on Kindle) of Ray Franz's book. He went many yrs with "questions" and "gut feelings" and he went to Bethel! This, confirmed my own... I'm still researching bc what I would like to see is.. idk but, a place to go, to gather with others, in physical mtg or Zoom, not just here and there... for those of us who are in need of that! I feel kind of alone 😔 though there a lot who are out and scattered in different directions. 🤔
Reading the Bible made me lose my faith in God. The Bible has become like a musical instrument, you can make it play any tune you want! Great video. Thanks.
I wish more people actually would read their Bible. It is the best way to find the truth, that religion is a farce, a way to control the masses. It's a terrible thing. I'm so glad I'm free of it. Congrats to you too:)
I woke up at 57, started fading late 2018 and haven’t been back since 2019. Felt like bricks were lifted from me. I am much happier. I can plan, dream, and be myself
I agree completely
Fourth girl I can think and I can sing gospel music that I choose and I can say without fear that JW is false religion and is a cult
Thank you so much for having us on your show!! We really enjoyed talking with you both!
Hi Lori! You are most welcome. We enjoyed having you. Thanks so much for coming on our channel. 💕
@@ExJWCriticalThinker They leave the Jehovah's witnesses to which way between the 2 Mathew 7:13-14?and all different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible?‽??????
I hope you find the truth through Jesus grace.
@@flowerpower3618 There is no punishment for not going the Christian way or any other way. We have free will, that means we don't have to follow anyone's teachings to be happy. Buddhists are loving as well and they practice love and respect more so than many Christians do. The practice of Zen is very tranquil and literally changes the chemical makeup in our brains and helps us live a peaceful, tranquil life. Following our inborn gut instincts is literally all we need. When we give that up to follow someone else's teachings, we give away our free will. No need to follow any of the above and be devoted to it. They all have one belief in common - LOVE. That is all we need to practice without all the other garbage and the world will be a great place to live.
@@loricline6782 Exactly. I am so turned off by organized religion now. I say my religion is Kindness & acceptance. No more mind control. Congratulations to you & your husband!
Since I left the cult of JWs I have stopped drinking so much and my happiness level has sky rocketed. The cognitive dissonance is no longer there and I have peace of mind.
Good for you! I was drinking heavily while we were in also. I was on anti-anxiety and anti-depressant meds. I am off of all of it. The cognitive dissonance tortured me for decades. I’m glad you are free. ❤️
@@loricline6782 🙌🏼👏🏼
I know what CD is: what opposing points of view upset you the most?
@@jwrobin21 well it started with, Is the gb really inspired? Then it moved to is the Bible really the inerrant word of god and inspired?
The latest version of the watchtower’s translation put that to rest.
@@hustonmices3976
To top it all, when it comes to the crunch, ITS THE STUDIES IN SCRIPTURE and the other WatchTower Literature that is really inerrant.
I ask them about the Prophetic (pathetic?) revelation that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would return and how a house (Beth Sarim) was built for them in San Diego but when this did NOT happen, Judge Rutherford lived in it and then it was quietly sold.
I am so unpopular with them that even after the Covid Ban lifted and other Christian groups have returned to the city centre, THEY HAVE NOT! Some witnesses.
This was outstanding. Such a great discussion. Lori’s experience really spoke to me. Over time, looking back I always had doubts. It never felt right. I got baptized at 19 and that was considered late! I didn’t fade out until almost 20 years later. It’s never too late! And yes, hearing that someone 81 years old did it is huge encouragement for many of us with family still stuck. Thank you so much for this interview!
Yly
Why do witnesses encourage getting baptised in youth..when jesus didn't till he was 30?🤔
Wasn't he our exemplar ?
Work , work , work ,you know.
Truly an interesting conversation . 85 years old and leaving the watchtower . This is inspiring . Must be something wrong . Thanks for sharing many blessings to everyone .
Amazing It’s never too late to wake up for anything in this life .
I enjoyed this interview so much. I started "waking up" when I was 14. I felt the same as Lori when it happened... these people are Stepford wives and when I looked around the Hall, there were all blank faces. It felt like I was in the twilight zone.
The last convention for me was 2017
I looked around and observed and realized they are so “programmed “. I decided never to return , being baptized in 1975.
Yes I was the only one not in a trance when they gaslighted the 1914 generation con job. Totally spooky
Powerful idea expressed by JT, namely, we have all the pieces today to complete the WT puzzle of deception. So true, getting the complete WT story validates the doubts and liberates the soul.
Yes it does.
Bingo!!!!!
This way we know we are not going "Crazy"
Thinking that we hearing and seeing things that no one else sees or hears going on
Since we cannot have open and Frank discussions without being accused of hating God we all remain silent for years
Today is a new day technology is a game changer
Wt cannot control the flow of info today
JT
When true knowledge is abundant you can see especially of late
That the governing body
The two witnesses
Have indeed been striking earth with plagues.
That is what a two thousand year old scripture..says
Rev 11:5 & 6
Maybe not what we expected.
Humility is needed
The jews in jesus time also got confused
When will jesus come and uproot every rotten thing ?
That's the Christ they had expected..and
Did the wrong thing rejecting him.
Rev 19:15
Iron rod sheperding
Does not benefit the sheep..
You think..and you ll work out why it is
Excellent interview! Thank you all for sharing your experiences. This helps so many of us who are stuck, or questioning the religion.
Totally relate , spent so much time out but mentally in! I knew something wasn't right with the org but just couldn't put my finger on it there was no YT or internet at that time. The GB are running scared all members are one click away from the real truth. No matter the age or standing in the congregation just one click away . Great interview so happy this couple are free.
Bingo
We just couldn't put the pieces together
You only Have half the truth when you're woke..
There's a bigger picture
Of course..the God of the bible knew nothing of social media
There's no reference made to it In scripture..
What language would ezekiel use to explain this modern feature ?
A virtual world that exists in the ether
You write but it's not on literal paper
How could that be conveyed to our day
Of late l seem to meditate and
Like clouds
Clouds covering the land
Apostates..and ex jw s
Without traveling on the ground
Have been able to unite
From farthest left and further right
Those blaspheming like John cedars
His poor wife..
No longer able to believe there's a Creator
Sadly disillusioned in life
Along with atheists..combined
With one voice..allies
A community against the governing body..
Ezekiel prophesied 3000 years plus back
Part of Gogs final attack.
It had always been something fearful to me
And here we are..
Things happen first..virtually
On social media..
Things happen fast.
Watchtower is the real Apostate.
There are roles the Governing Body are playing.
Prophets at times did strange role playing or drawing a story on a tile or brick..
These days TV and actors get to be stars..
The GB have been playing roles including the recent Man of lawlessness..a false prophet..telling false stories..
It's an act..
Convincing..but ..still an act.
Rev 19:15..Iron rod like policies..
Think of the traditional sheperds tool..
No self respecting sheperd would turn up to sheperd sheep with an IRON rod..
ROD..
NOT a staff..
100% true
All I heard while growing up was 'avoid apostate literature'. Apart from the 2 or 3 books I can now name that would fit this bill, by far the most apostate literature there is would be pre-2000 WT publications 🤣
@@RickPzazz
When you look at it objectively..the manna God provided daily was just the same..
Once it was a day old it turned to worms and disgusting to look at let alone eat..
You realized too late. It takes away too much of your life. Cherish the remaining of your life and don’t join another cult again.
Hey guys. On a day off when I saw the notification for your video I was so happy. I'm sitting here watching this episode and as always it's great. It's amazing how destiny intertwines two people, how they could meet again 30 years later after both having had marriages and families. Absolutely amazing love story!
Glad you enjoyed it
We need more voices like yours as well
You bring your experiences to the table of discussion allowing others to see they can leave and make it as well
JT
Love the HANDLE
They may go bankrupt
The religion could be dissolved because
Of the 1914 generation has died off
That’s part of the organization teaching.
The wheels has fallen off.
They’re no different from other religions
Struggling for survival.
They’re getting retribution right now
I had 52 wasted years but now I'm free! Thanks for this interview and so happy for you!!
Thank you for having the courage to express how you felt. For years I was not convinced, but went along with it, commenting and field service, because I thought I was not good enough and if only I tried harder, I would have the faith that all my friends appeared to have. I wonder now how many of them are also going through the same doubts, but have family in and are therefore trapped.
I hated going out on service and having parts in the ministry school. It never felt natural to me to push my faith & beliefs on others. It always made me so uncomfortable!
Your videos are awesome, very informative and honest. Keep it up guys👍👊
Even as Little Children 👶🧑🦲🧑🦱 ,
Isn't it Amazing , how One can Sense when "Something" doesn't seem Right ? 🤔
As Time passes . . It begins to CLEARLY 👈 Not make Sense !! 🤨
💁🏻Especially for us 3rd & 4th Generation "JW's !! ( Well , now EXJW's ☺️)
Thz
Jt
You ex-Jehovah's witnesses have developed into a bigger family...well done to you all...your a comfort to each other xxx
Like clouds..clouds covering the land..
Ezek 38
Very true indeed
@@ExJWCriticalThinker
Working with Gog..being his ally..
Does ezekiel point out such ones are upright in Gods eyes ?
The title 'The man of lawlessness ' sounds like something negative..against all that God stands for..thats what it suggests ..
Yet..
He was RECKONED WITH THE LAWLESS ONES..
Of Christ himself that was said !!
Swiping after the slave of the high priests head..Peter took off his ear..
Jesus had expected a sword would be needed..
There was that prophecy he had to play his part to fulfill..
And he did..
He asked before he was arrested..
Are there swords..
Here are two..
It Is enough..
Rome had a law at that time against ones being armed ..
So he was reckoned with the LAWLESS from Romes..PERSPECTIVE.
RAHAB TOO was from the people living in jerichos perspective ..
By hiding the lsraelite spies..She lied
But we re told how her faith resulted in her household being spared their lives
She broke their laws !
So perhaps we need to pause..
Think about the parallels and Gods active force
How now..the witnesses have all the kingdom hall doors closed behind them
In their interior rooms on zoom..
@@ExJWCriticalThinker
Is it a good thing Being an ally of Gog ?
He has everything yet it isn't enough..
With what words would you describe that
Trait?
Little did we know..obscured from our eyes with cloud by day
We disfellowshipped and shunned
Would be used as bait
As ezek 38 doesn't say.
This is way too true. I was put on private reproof at one point, SI I wasn't allowed to comment in the meeting s. They didn't realize that was a reward instead of a punishment. I hated parroting comments and going door to door.
LOL! I hated everything about the JWs but the watchtower study trying to brainwash us with comments which actually were on the first two lines of each paragraph (watching folks act like they were putting the answer in their own words was so funny) and going to field service were the worst! They used to teach us how to put our foot in the door whenever someone tried to close the door!
@@marywoods430
After some toe-crushing experiences, I’m guessing that some of the guys started wearing steel-toed construction boots… 😂!
Just kidding, of course, I’m an exjw myself, faded back in the 80s…
Now I can better understand the reaction I get when I talk to the JW's on their stalls in my local town. To say they do NOT like talking to me is an understatement! They have got the police, security and their own in house heavies to try and intimidate me: I just got the phone out and started recording - THEY HATE THAT!
About a third of them just blanked me, a third packed up their stall and walked off or stopped coming back and about a third really put a brave face on and talked to me about anything EXCEPT God: some witnessing.
@@jwrobin21
Never fear, the buybull states that, if he wants, god can make the stones talk-or is that make the STONED talk 😂.
Can’t remember..
So there’ll always be witnessing done…
@@greyberet1
Not sure of the point you are trying to make.
I started sloooowly fading when I married outside the faith when I was 20 years old (baptized at 17). I still went back & forth being active & inactive for about 4-5 years because I had my daughter and needed to do the “right thing” and raise her in the “truth”. I finally faded out completely, and 12 years later is when I am truly waking up! All this information that I NEVER knew…never even thought existed, is what has helped me completely open my eyes and stop feeling guilty for not raising my kids in this religion. I am so thankful to channels like this one! Thank you!
It's when you piece together the ingredients required of prophecy..thst you begin to see how amazing Jehovah is..4000 years ago..he had men pen his words !!
Ezek 38..
Accumulated properties serve a purpose..as bait
Though ezek 38 doesn't.say it..
The breaking up of families the president was very upset by..
Whereupon he rendered them extreme..
In short time after he had awarded a witness family ..see youtube.
He was MADE to turn 180 degrees..
Amazing ..truly..
This is Gogs final attack..he is coming with clouds..which cover the land..
Which sounds a bit like the way an ancient language unaware of todays wide reaching technology..🤔on whose side of this conflict will we prove to be.
Are we allies of..or part of Gogs crowd ?
@@mamat5922 Is JW religion not from God? Do they not based their faith on the bible? Please don't think this in a wrong way. I am curious and serious to know it. I hope to received a message from you.
That’s crazy your story sounds almost identical to mine. I married at 20 also outside but was back and forth active and inactive. Actually recently went back but basically went back as a PIMO largely due to still having family in and also wanting my children to get Bible education. It’s very interesting seeing things kind of with fresh eyes. Things have changed so much.
I just met a jw and he wants to get married. I told him I won't convert he also says he doesn't want to push his beliefs on me.
He invited me to his group but I don't think I am interested. But also I know over time they will try to get I his head with judgment over me...how should I handle this? Should I still move forward with him?
Fantastic interview.. Once and individual wakes up and in a meeting. Everyone in the KH seem to be like robots and very scary to see. The A&E special did it for me, once I saw that special I had no dough in my mind that these individuals where lying. Everything they said was exactly what I had been observing for years. The organization use the same lines to cover for their lies (Jehovah will take care of it, It is in Jehovah hands or what other organization is as great as this one) Once I has stop going an elder came to see me and I told him everything I found clearly, I don't play and they know that. That brother panic so much he couldn't find the handle in my door fast enough as he said he had to go. I have never heard from any of them and they have not maid any announcement of me being disfellowship. I indicated that if my daughter stop talking to me do to any announcement like it, I will make it my job to track each and everyone of them. They know what I will do to them... homie don't play.
Great video thank you Lori and Dan for sharing your story. So true we think something is wrong with us when we question the JW teachings. Thank you JT and Lady Cee for your continued activism exposing this cult.
Dan and Lori...You both thanx; I found my family back...
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JT/Lady Cee🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🕉🕉🕉
Welcome to your freedom!
Thank you beautiful Lady Cee and hubby🙌🏾
I woke up this year 2022. I'm completely mind blown! I love Jehovah God. I do not understand why the organization would drift away from the Bible standards. I Now will worship 🙌 Jehovah God through Jesus Christ name without religion.
The JW skipped 1850 yrs of Christianity.
Jesus said
“I will be with you for all times”
Mt 28
JW have Nothing to do with Jesus.
Jesus started one church and said it would last forever
The Roman Catholic Church has lasted 2000yrs
I said the same thing when I left jws 3 years ago. I have since decided to not call him Jehovah as it had been imprinted on my mind with attached teaching and feelings. You can do so if you wish but if you find that guilt is riding on your shoulders or you routinely refer to a teaching. It’s ok to address him as your father, abba.. he is your Heavenly Father regardless of how you call him. So long as you are able to call to him without being controlled or held back by any lingering imprints.
Happy you are free!
There’s evidence that Satan/jehovah/Baal etc are the same god. Do some research.
@@fettuccinialldayson3274 Jesus or in the gospels never used Gods name once.
I went by mom’s house today and her husband was on zoom. I asked my mom why she wasn’t she said that her husband was pioneering because they had circuit overseer. I asked her how that works when you don’t go door to door. Then I saw the letters laying on the table. Crazy!
@Jennifer B me too. It was a good chance to email back about the CSA cases going on at the moment, hope it created doubts
I’ve received 2 letters in the mail since the pandemic. Typed out with a tract attached. They went straight in the garbage.
@@cassandrasmom I like to ask awkward questions, usually about the over lapping generation or CSA to see their take on it, hoping bring doubt to their faith.
i love you guys, i can’t wait to be on your show!
What an excellent discussion! So so relatable on so many levels… I listened with intent and was so uplifted as I also feel the peace and calm after leaving after so many years in that cult. At 69, I’m still the same woman that I was only a new and improved model. Lol
🤗🤗 They are Narcissist's and Love to be put on pedestals, They love to be spoken about and be praised. They give talks at assemblies/con-ventions, and everyone runs up to them " oh you gave such a great talk" they believe they are the top of any cake. Disgusting. The Watchtower teachings are not the truth. It's about Money. The 8 will go off to their pre destination vacation place and the brainwashed will think they have gone to Heaven.
Thank You Jt and Lady C, love you both.
I hated field service also. Forget about giving talks they judge u on everything how long your dress was.
JT @ 49:20 I remember rushing out to cry after the meetings. I was just lonely and sad. Glad I am out. Your channel helps fill the void. Living as an ex jw in a non jw world is very do-able, but I really miss family and some old friends that are still in. Your channel helps alleviate the pain of lost years and family connections. So glad to be free of the WTB&S.
I think I must be weird because I loved the Tues night book study and the Circuit Assemblies. I was a quiet, shy, and lonely person, so I gathered; that's why I liked being a Witness (mostly). And I had a great Witness family that really liked me and were generous, loving, and sincere. I didn't have any family in the religion, so it really felt good being a part of a family. I've been out for very long time and don't plan on going back of course, it's just that when I hear ppl say they hated meetings or assemblies, I can't relate because I looked forward to the companionship and I loved to learn and study (another weird trait).
Stepford wives! Excellent description.
Bingo
To this day, I never thought about what would happen if one spouse had a heavenly hope and the other a earthly hope.
JT you where talking about the Robotic aspect of the org.....i remember serving in a certain Bethel, where the branch overseer would say " the blade of grass that sticks up is the one that gets cut"
I recently got out after 28 years. I woke up at the same time while I was also was leaving my ex. He laughed in my face when I said I was going to the elders to get help. He told me he would get nothing more then a slap on the hand and prayer to guid him to do better. He was right. So many more things happened but that was a huge start to my waking up. I lived everyday in hell and yet I was always to blame and always the one that had to give more. They knew the situation in the home and yet I was disfellowshipped and he is honored as a JW hero because he “stayed faithful”. I was disgraced because I am a woman that wouldn’t shut up and do as I was told. Thank you for this video!
Thanks the 4 of you 😘, I really appreciated your stories! Wishing you all the best 👍
One problem I had was that when you are brought up in front of the elders they protect the brother. A sister has no chance in front of them.
When I was new in the religion, I went to a door and an elderly man told me his wife had died. So, I tried to comfort him with the resurrection hope and that he’d see her again. He looked at me and said, “I don’t want to ever see her again.” I was at the door by myself and I didn’t know what to say. I think I just left. Felt very sad and weird!
Wow I wonder what happened for him to say that 🤔
@@josephd27 I can tell you’ve never been married.
@@joelee1195 🤣🤣🤣
I thought you I were telling a joke
But I realized this is what he said and meant
I guess the message of hope of seeing her again was not in his cards
JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker maybe she was mean to him. Not sure but that experience stayed with me all these years.
It's been quite a while I watched a lengthy discussion like this twice. Great thanks JT & Lady Cee for featuring Dan & Lori.
Very informative and encouraging interview, what a fab couple, JT and Lady C your doing such upbuilding and educational work, may you be blessed in all your endevours by the creator of life................💖
Glad you enjoyed it
Most keep following & do not question. Wt keeps up continual focus
& does not allow the Jw minds to get distracted! Much like entertaining
a cat with a ball of wool The cat will chase it every time it is moved!
Great interview guys!
Great interview thank you.
Fantastic interview and a wonderful couple!! Wish them the best!!😄
Very interesting! I m from Germany (pimo) . I got a letter from a brother who was an elder(he died years ago) . He wrote that in 1949 in Berlin at the convention they said “it’s later than you think” . That’s how far back they been telling us this BS. I know he and his wife thought they would never die. The last few years before he passed away he never mentioned Jehovah anymore. Looking back, I think he may have woken up.
Recent WT policy changes about “adulterous marriage” and people who suspect their spouse/ex of adultery being allowed to be “scripturally free” are, I suspect, a reaction to experiences like Lori’s
So happy for them...thanks.👍☺
All those WATCHTOWER lies make me cry only...‼‼‼
I always had a lump in my throat. I never felt comfortable out in service!! Just knew this was NOt the "TRUTH" 37 years. My sister and her family still in since the 60s. Just the dots never was connecting. I read my Bible. The only wat to the Father is thru Jesus Christ!! Been thru bad experience. Great story!! Just disassociated myself.
Interestingly enough one of the very last things my mom said to me before cutting me completely off was "I am sorry you cannot connect the dots". The truth does not need dots connected. It will just be connected on its own. Like my husband said, there should not have to be mental gymnastics to make it work.
Always excellent videos JT and Lady Cee
I loved when she said that she kept waiting on that happiness from Jehovah and it never came. That statement is very very relatable.
Wow! Lori's last share gives me hope! Praying my father (an elder ) wakes up...though I know he's praying my husband, family and I who are all christian wake up. Holding on to my Faith & hope! 🙏🏾
I hope that the two of you never fade away…..
We need your videos that show the real “truth” about of JW’s!
Love the time stamp of the video. 1.11.11 ❤️✨
Wow I didn’t notice but I love that too! 💖
Another great video thanks for sharing this with me, but, to me, you got the best education, because you learned how to be the fool, which is the best education because it's the hardest degree to pass with out getting in any trouble and also you pass the education degree with the teachings of the false religion teaches that makes the statement that their the mouth peace of God, no other religion teaches that they are the mouth peace of God, and you grow up through that, is the best education of any degrees, keep up the great job of helping people who are still living in fear of the WTBTS organization, thank you all,
The truth will set u free ...it drained me mentally lots of feeling guilty u wasn't doing enough worrying about being destroyed in the end feeling guilt that u might not see your loved ones again ...cruel Gods love not this chap.
The at 27 minutes statement is so true about guilt tripping. thank you.
So true when you turn in the letter that you pour your heart into it and gets rejected. Turn in a whatever letter you get reinstated. Makes no sense.
Lori could be me! I wasn’t born in but rest is the same, you get to a certain age and realize you’re in a cult! Hated field service, I was pioneering and I started pioneering because I hated FS and thought if I did more, I’d love it because obviously it was me that had the problem 🤷🏻♀️ I needed to pray and “do more” also answering at the hall was exactly like the stepford wives and I used that term over and over when I was getting out. My elder husband took 2 years longer to wake up. Thankfully the WHOLE family is out. Our eldest son 1st, then me then our youngest boy and husband left at same time. Great interview and I wish Dan & Lori all the best.
Thank you Lori for your story…you are making a difference🤩, much love to you and your hubby (glad we are connected)🥰♥️🥰
Lady C and JT
I always love your interviews…you inspire so many. Thank you for your perseverance to educate the world and make others aware of the dangers of jw’s!! 🥰♥️🥰
Great video
Stepford wives!!! Ha! So true. Robotic, just trying to make it through to Paradise. They don't enjoy life. They don't know how as their everyday life is scripted for them. Imprisoned without the bars. Very sad.
Great Job 👍
Make sure you celebrate 🍾 you more often just because you can...
I was born in, thankfully never baptized.
My parents were never really devout. They are POMI "PHYSICALLY OUT MENTALLY IN" which still sucks!
I remember that wt study. What upset me was how they were referring to this as a “sin” and I commented and said we have to call it what is and that’s a “crime” and I said some other things. A brother (no elder or ministerial servant) came to me after the study and said my comment was so true😂 I thought that they would call me in the back room, but they didn’t.
A year and a half is short to be disfellowshipped. Most people I knew took between two to five years to reinstate.
What kills me is that to the JW’s the world is gonna end like tomorrow but they will make people wait 3 to 5 years to be reinstated it’s pure hypocrisy.
My friend was reinstated after 1 year. She was DF'd because of immorality (their words, not mine) like I was. But she started right back in being a good little witness and going to the meetings.
The sad thing is that most JW’s DO NOT WANT TO BE IN HEAVEN. It’s not that they don’t think no they will be, they DON’T WANT IT. They’re trained to feel this way…
That's why, I think, most of them are very materialistic.
I am a jw, I married a paedo then 14 years found out. He wasn’t disfellowshiped. I got divorced on the grounds of him being a paedo and he wasn’t ever allowed to be near my kids. Then I got told I could be scriptural divorced because of the two witness rule, which is stupid. I never did remarry but my eldest daughter became mentally Ill due to the abuse and lost her kids. I’m 70 and I’ve had her 6 kids for the last 8 years. Lovely kids. But elders have never helped us. I’m now only attending zoom because I don’t see the love and 1914 date is wrong etc
There is a hidden two witness rule. The two witnesses can't be related,,,! I cry fowl.
Stepford wives, what a great analogy.
Many of our Practicing 👈 JW Friends . . Feel Fear 😨 . . when running into You !! 😆
And JT nailed it , about the 👉 Under Current 🌪️🌪️🌊 . . Now flowing through the Congregations
World 🌎 wide ! 😉👌
Indeed , THEIR END 👈 is TRULY Near !! 👏☺️
Watchtower is ***DISGUSTING***
No better word for it than that.
JT and lady Cee i love your vidoes its true the elders are not trained to handel any of these things i also became fed with them which caused me to fade out of the organization and also the meeting were very boring and robotic i found difficult to pay attention honestly i spent most of the time looking at the sisters and fantasizing especially at assemblies and convetions
The best summation of JW's 'Bible Studies'
The Watchtower had answers that could not be questioned:
the students had questions that could not be answered.
Lockheed manufacturing or selling weaponry..yet the governing body have stocks and shares in companies like this..
Isn't thst hypocrisy??
It's fulfillment of prophecy
See isa 2:2-4.
They shall beat their swords and spears into plows and pruning shears..
You have to own it to change it..
Otherwise it's stealing ..funds or profits from those shares being used in peaceful..kingdom interests ..not reinvested in the war machinery.
Amazing isn't it !
Jesus made a point about using unrighteous riches..making friends in the heavens by means of them.
He also commended the sons of the kingdom for their PRACTICAL sense
@@compositioncompilation
And The Bible also says "The love of money is the root of all evil!" Vernell, you could apply the exact same logic to owning a brothel: (I know, I am being silly as per usual!)
So when The Governing Body predicted 'THE END OF THE WORLD' for the SEVENTH time in 1975 (did I miss something), did they 'buy extra oil for their lamps' to spread the light or did they invest in stocks and shares. You will find that they invested in stocks and shares.
Now why would a Theocratic Organisation invest in making money whilst telling their members that the world is going to end that year? Should they not be spreading the word to the lost?
Incidentally, how did The Watchtower explain that the world did not end? They just denied it by describing themselves with the statement, "We are NOT a date setting organisation because if we set a date and something does not happen then we are proven to be false prophets." (Well, they needed seven goes to learn this! Incidentally, The Temple has to be rebuilt before the world can end!)
@@jwrobin21
It's quite fascinating..when you realise..
They knew things but kept quiet..
Their assignment from Almighty God was revealed..
What would you have done if it was yours to accomplish..
Take this on personally rev 11:5 & 6.
Implementing policies that are damaging and hurtful deliberately !
As often..and whenever you wish..
Strange assignment..isnt it !?
@@jwrobin21
That specific assignment can easily slip by unnoticed..
In fact..l only realised those verses in my time as one who is disfellowshipped !!
@@jwrobin21
Love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things..
Great Job 👍 Experience Wisdom Courage
I live in the Caribbean Guyana to be exact how can I donate I don't think we have pateron here
I am amazed more and more how JDuB matches the slavery narratives and make Jag look and sound insane. He gives all these talents and then forbids U to use them. Likewise Jag gives life and than forbids U to live it. Be the best slave you can be and live forever in the bye and bye.
Great interview!
Lori is completely right about the fire of JWs. As a recently faded JW they are closing ranks. They are on high alert for anything “negative” people said against organisation, no questions and they will not go there at all. Everyone is paranoid about each other and will not say they are struggling because weakness marks you as a suspected apostate. My friends have for awhile stopped associating with me due to not having the time to socialise because they are too busy on the hamster wheel. Socialising is at the meetings or field service because life is hard I. This economic climate and especially in the org. I noticed their behaviour towards me many months before I left even though I was playing the game. I am soo worried about one friend who is burning out and has major health issues because of this but she’s asleep.
Wonderful interview with Dan & Lori.
Just a question for Dan.
You mentioned or, touched on a Scientific topic that appeared to cross paths with the organization.
May I ask what was in the Science "Box" that you were unable to check ✔ ???
Thanks
Crickets
Your question is not clear. Can you please elaborate?
@@MrSprintcat
11:min48 sec::
Dan says he has a "Scientific Background" .
13min 38 sec::
"Things don't ring out (Scripturaly) or Logically"
14min 09 sec:; one can't challenge or question a Scientific STANCE.
Just curious what's Dan's STANCE was !!
Other than that, this was a Great interview by Lady Cee & JT with Dan & Lori.
Thank You
So I'm lost .just like I was in the so called truth. Was it so bad for me to say crickets? Am I going to be disfellowshipped? Somebody asked a question and nobody answered so I said crickets what's the problem?
@@MrSprintcat
Sorry, my reply/question was meant for Dan & Lori
The. $64K Question: How will the org. Function post pandemic...For the life of me, I can't see it resuming to how it looked in Jan 2020..even though the articles and media their producing implies that...
Good video
Nice to be free again!!
Watchtower is Corrupt
- ***Read*** Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz
I forgot to add that the families in my cong have recently told all families with kids to not let our kids near TWO brothers in the cong who are still allowed to give comments in congs
Many witnesses know something is wrong and choose to stay asleep. But Revelations 18:4 makes it very clear what they must do.
I hated going to service too! Lol! They would say it comes with practice. It’s not! This was always the most embarrassing thing to do. Years of pioneering and still it’s such a stupidity!😅
Nice video
Great interview the more you hear these experiences you realise the true nature of the org is just a fraternity that uses an inverted semi/anti-Christian lexicon to hide behind. Recommend the book watchtower and the masons striking parallels.
On the topic of being anointed, I feel like the ways people would figure out they’re anointed (seeing “signs”, maybe numerical things, dreams, voices, etc) are all things technically we’d be told we shouldn’t dabble in. So I can see why he wouldn’t want to tell.
REPENT, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand...ABBA YAH, YOUR WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN... HALLELUYAH ☝🏼💯
If he went to a motel to study with someone, why would he have to pay for the room on their credit card?
Very true comment on so called "supporting scripture" at about 40: 00 minutes in! I've noticed more since I've been expelled by 3 idiots unable to use scriptures for their basis of judgement; that the Watchtower uses "supporting texts" in their publications that don't support the statement made at all! Oh, it's RELATED TO THE COMMENT, but not a directly supporting text! So I find myself inserting the proper scriptures that support the statements, by writing them in the margin! I. E. the new Bible study aid, "Enjoy life on Earth Forever". I tune into their meetings sometimes or read the chapter being discussed and find myself saying, (after 55 years as a strong witness; ex-Bethelite, ex-elder, ), "how does this scripture support the statements you make; expecting the new Bible student to adopt this conclusion as "true"???
When was their ever a change on the view of marriage and death? It was always understood that marriage ended at death. You could choose to wait on your spouse or re-marry. I don’t know why that’s presented as a change. Now the belief breaking down the types and times of resurrections have changed and are a complete nonsensical cluster by the organization that could easily deter a spouse waiting.
They used to teach that if your mate died, once resurrected, they are “like the angels” which implied they would not marry. They now say that no one knows for sure. Big change in that doctrine.
@@loricline6782 Thanks for the reply! Do you remember the timeline? The website stops at 1970 for obvious reasons, but I am trying to build up information because I am writing a rebuttal on reasoning with Witnesses, that goes doctrine to doctrine, using only their publications, and no “apostate” material.
@@therakatoli6720 It was a question from readers probably in the last 5 years that changed their thinking on it.
Man it's funny they see me from afar and look crazy that u transformed and look better
how about if someone married 2 or 3 husbands/ or wives because they became widows?
Exactly. I was in constant anxiety over that. I remarried and was so worried that in the new system I would be miserable because I was so afraid of the pain I would cause to my late husband and of course to myself by being in love with more than one man. It was just one more negative emotion from WT lies that I had piled on me while in. It becomes crippling and you live in this constant state of panic over everything. It has a rippling effect.
It creeps me out when someone claims to be something like one of the supposed anointed. I think those people have serious problems. Its really an attention grab and they do it for fame. You just know. Yea right.
Most all religions believe they are going to heaven. Nothing creepy about it. The witnesses changed their Bible to fit their own agenda. An earthly paradise is their made up reward. Anyone coming in from the "world" and other religions would have already felt the heavenly hope.
@@loricline6782 you're right. I'm looking at it from a jw's perspective. I just remember being young and thinking no one really knows who is anointed and who's not ,according to what jw's believe.
Not only that but all of their talk about obeying or fearing God is nonsense, if we screw up, our own karma will take care of it, if it's serious then law enforcement may become involved!
You are damn right. There are natural consequences for wrongdoing.
Facts!
@@sonofapollo5892 They are indeed! 🤗
Yes!!
Keep Exposing Watchtower LIES and Overwhelming Hypocrisy
Lori's story, where she was married to a "brother" who was an abusive, cheating narcissist, who had been married 3 times (I was his 4th, at least to my knowledge) and then, having to go through that "2 witness rule" and wait and wait ✋️...for that "scriptural divorce"... pretty much, the same... 😮💨 Mind you, I had "tons" of "evidence" on him! Even a video of him admitting to me that he "had sex with ...". I had so so much evidence but... according to the elders on his case.. (they really tried and tried truly).. had gone to find him with my help with my own private investigation, they contacted the CO and whomever they could to try and help with this. That stupid "2 witness rule".. and I understand in some cases there has been ones who've lied but... let's let God handle those cases of liars who would do that too ok? It's just too much on the innocent ones 😕 😪
I too, have sat in a mtg or convention, heard a scriptural quote that just didn't quite match up with what was being presented! Or, just read on into the following or preceding scripts and thought ... that's odd! 🤔
But, like you, we just keep going and going bc for one, there is also much that is correct... it keeps you there! 🤷♀️. Or, yeah... I told myself, I wasn't strong enough and needed to work harder at that too! Thing is, the more I researched, studied, mtgs and service, the more questions it created!
I just read the 1st 2 chapters (free on Kindle) of Ray Franz's book. He went many yrs with "questions" and "gut feelings" and he went to Bethel! This, confirmed my own... I'm still researching bc what I would like to see is.. idk but, a place to go, to gather with others, in physical mtg or Zoom, not just here and there... for those of us who are in need of that! I feel kind of alone 😔 though there a lot who are out and scattered in different directions. 🤔
If his study was staying there, then the room was obviously paid for already
The guilt is awful
If there is a God, there is nothing but God and there is no separation of God from Man, even in the journey of the evolution of consciousness.
Reading the Bible made me lose my faith in God.
The Bible has become like a musical instrument, you can make it play any tune you want!
Great video. Thanks.
I wish more people actually would read their Bible. It is the best way to find the truth, that religion is a farce, a way to control the masses. It's a terrible thing. I'm so glad I'm free of it. Congrats to you too:)