I used to hate on rap when I was younger because I was judging the entire genre based on the mainstream songs I'd heard on the radio. I went down a rap rabbit hole on TH-cam in 2013 and literally changed my main genre overnight. About 80% of all the music iv listened to since is rap.
Rap not being music is a braindead take by people who dont listen to rap. Also 21:00 lack of ambiguity? Have they not heard of subgenres and analyzed lyrics before? For example, smino is in another world than kendrick lamar and both are rap. J. Cole and ken carson are on opposite spectrums dispite both being rap. Also, rappers often have multiple meanings for one lyric. Braindead take
I think about how humans communicate by making sounds, like most animals. Animals on the other hand can communicate with each other using their sounds regardless of what continent they are from, unlike humans using our sounds. Maybe humans ability to speak and use speech to communicate is actually not our full potential to communicate and we're still learning or evolving. Other Animals beat us there or maybe the things humans wish to communicate are so irrelevant to actual human nature, that we came up with speech as some forced, abstract way to convey information about them. Humans didn't use speech or language for a very, very long time and we're here now, so they obviously did a good job of existing just fine. Also, in many old tribes singing and song was how to communicate stories or lessons or to entertain, and only contain vocal sounds, no words. Anyways, that's all I have to offer, another amazing video!🎉
My main pet peeve - Lyrical composition and, to almost the same extent, production relying on an gargantuan amount of contributors. I mean, come on! Does West really needs two dozen 'lyricists' to come up with an average song? And I also particularly love how he takes all the credit. Is not like he's in a band, ensemble or whatever.
Ill just say it, alot of people hate rap cause theyre racist. They hear one drill or trap song, and they dont like it, so they shit on a historical and formative genre of music because its made by and done the best by black people. Theres a reason kendrick lamar won a pulitzer prize.
Most people who hate rap also love black people music. If there's a race factor to it, it's less to do with them simply being black and more to do with them being so unapologetically black. Hip hop was a whole subculture that kind of just became the culture. It had a lot of elements that were really cringe to a lot of people, but other people thought they were cool and got into them. For instance, all the gangster stuff and the constant negativity and dissing other people and other rappers. It's not for everyone. Even a lot of hip hop fans find that stuff grating. And it's everywhere.
Bro thats a massive reach, the majority people dont like rap generally because they prefer other genres or maybe don't like the negative aspects of the culture around it. There's a tiny minority who straight up dont like it because its black music, and thats very small.
@@yehoshua7552 Saying you don't like it because of the culture around its a brain dead take. Is punk music from the 70s bad because the culture was bad that would be just as stupid.
@@Humble197 Yes 100% the culture around music can change people's experience of the music, absolutely, and influences the quality. That feels kinda obvious. Punk culture 100% impacts and contextualises punk music, it doesn't automatically make it bad, but punk music isnt punk music without the culture around it. Imagine punk without the asthetics and ideology. Imagine the blues without the culture of pre-civil rights america. Imagine trying to separate actual satanic music from satan worship. It would be impossible to do all those things. Music doesnt exist in isolation, it's part of a greater web of culture.
Rock, blues, jazz, country, all have roots in the black community and has been culturally appropriated over the decades. Anytime they have innovated something new, a new style or sound, it is taken, until you get to the hip-hop and rap genres. It is not easily accessible and is quintessentially an African American artform. Sure, there's good and bad examples like in any music, but it is unique to their culture. For once, they developed an art form that is not easily appropriated and not only that, but they also elevated it to the point where it replaced mainstream popular music, like rock for example, and has influenced mainstream music so much, that it is undeniably Black. In order to understand rap and hip-hop, you have to understand the culture. I think that's why it gets so much hate from outside that community. They don't understand it and they can't co-opt it, imitate it convincingly, in any meaningful way, so they try to tear it down. However, it's a waste of time. They have moved past that and have triumphed. They don't need anyone's criticism or approval.
I think rap is art, and a valid art form, it's just a bad art form, which is a generally subjective thing. Rap is an art form which was and is generally expressed by a particular part of a culture which harbour many negative aspects and that comes through alot. Most of mainstream rap fosters a very negative culture. Its a far inferior form of art than the blues which is the peak of 'black' music. I also find it to be highly unoriginal as sampling seems to be completely normal and accpted when its just taking other peoples work. But i can generally acknowledge that there's probably good rap out there. I havent heard it, but its probably there
There is quite a bit of good rap there. It's not the form that's the problem. It's just the lack of proper use of that form due to the stigma it has. There are lots of great artists who I think would thrive in rap if they realized how good it can be. My favorite rapper is Zach Sherwin, who is very unserious and has kind of a Weird Al vibe, but when you look at what he's actually doing with his lyricism you realize how much talent it takes to do the kind of wordplay and flow that he does.
@foreverdirt1615 Yes i would agree it isn't the form thats the problem, definitely takes talent to write the lyrics. But the question becomes can you truly separate rap from its origins and the culture surrounding it? I think you can't, and rap will always be defined and dominated by its roots and culture surrounding it, which many people have negative associations with. To some extent is rap still rap if the only thing connecting it to rap is the lyric structure? Like punk rock for example: can separate punk rock music from punk culture? I think many people have problems with the subject matter and culture of rap. But again, rap could very well have good stuff, that guy you mentioned sounds cool.
@@yehoshua7552 I think "rap" in this way is different from "hip hop" which is a culture. Rap is something that kind of existed before hip hop, in that people would rhyme over music while not necessarily utilizing tune, thus allowing for more words to be squeezed in, making the song more dense and wordy. To me that's the big strength of rap. Hip hop is what gave that form a real platform to grow into a unique identity. It's only been about 45 years since hip hop took off. At this point in the history of rock and roll was where rock and roll finally started to lose its cultural relevance as it sort of fragmented into too many different subgenres that it influenced and those subgenres became more important than rock per se, such as hip hop. Hip hop has proven to have a little more cultural longevity in that way, and that's probably because it didn't lose as much of its stigma as rock and roll. Of course, it lost some of it, but there's still a significant amount of hate for hip hop and a lack of willingness to embrace it as an influence. I think that might be why it's maintained its identity so well over the decades. I have a theory that perhaps losing cultural relevance per se could be a GOOD thing for music as a whole, even if it's perceived as a bad thing for that genre, because that's when you know that its influence has spread so much that its identity has been called into question. "What is rock?" is a much harder question to answer these days than "what is hip hop?" But as time moves on and generations pass, hopefully hip hop will undergo the same transition. What that could mean is a greater number of people start embracing the rap art form divorced from its cultural context as a black street thing. And that could be really good for music as a whole.
@@foreverdirt1615 You make very good and valid points. I spose I always viewed rap as being the culture rather than the style of music, but hip-hop being the culture makes more sense. Very well spoken.
I used to hate on rap when I was younger because I was judging the entire genre based on the mainstream songs I'd heard on the radio. I went down a rap rabbit hole on TH-cam in 2013 and literally changed my main genre overnight. About 80% of all the music iv listened to since is rap.
Rap not being music is a braindead take by people who dont listen to rap. Also 21:00 lack of ambiguity? Have they not heard of subgenres and analyzed lyrics before? For example, smino is in another world than kendrick lamar and both are rap. J. Cole and ken carson are on opposite spectrums dispite both being rap. Also, rappers often have multiple meanings for one lyric. Braindead take
I think about how humans communicate by making sounds, like most animals. Animals on the other hand can communicate with each other using their sounds regardless of what continent they are from, unlike humans using our sounds. Maybe humans ability to speak and use speech to communicate is actually not our full potential to communicate and we're still learning or evolving. Other Animals beat us there or maybe the things humans wish to communicate are so irrelevant to actual human nature, that we came up with speech as some forced, abstract way to convey information about them. Humans didn't use speech or language for a very, very long time and we're here now, so they obviously did a good job of existing just fine. Also, in many old tribes singing and song was how to communicate stories or lessons or to entertain, and only contain vocal sounds, no words. Anyways, that's all I have to offer, another amazing video!🎉
My main pet peeve - Lyrical composition and, to almost the same extent, production relying on an gargantuan amount of contributors. I mean, come on! Does West really needs two dozen 'lyricists' to come up with an average song? And I also particularly love how he takes all the credit. Is not like he's in a band, ensemble or whatever.
Of course it’s music. Is some of it bad? Sure, but I don’t understand how anyone could question if it’s REALLY music or not
Ill just say it, alot of people hate rap cause theyre racist. They hear one drill or trap song, and they dont like it, so they shit on a historical and formative genre of music because its made by and done the best by black people. Theres a reason kendrick lamar won a pulitzer prize.
Most people who hate rap also love black people music. If there's a race factor to it, it's less to do with them simply being black and more to do with them being so unapologetically black. Hip hop was a whole subculture that kind of just became the culture. It had a lot of elements that were really cringe to a lot of people, but other people thought they were cool and got into them. For instance, all the gangster stuff and the constant negativity and dissing other people and other rappers. It's not for everyone. Even a lot of hip hop fans find that stuff grating. And it's everywhere.
Bro thats a massive reach, the majority people dont like rap generally because they prefer other genres or maybe don't like the negative aspects of the culture around it. There's a tiny minority who straight up dont like it because its black music, and thats very small.
@@yehoshua7552 Saying you don't like it because of the culture around its a brain dead take. Is punk music from the 70s bad because the culture was bad that would be just as stupid.
@@Humble197 Yes 100% the culture around music can change people's experience of the music, absolutely, and influences the quality. That feels kinda obvious. Punk culture 100% impacts and contextualises punk music, it doesn't automatically make it bad, but punk music isnt punk music without the culture around it. Imagine punk without the asthetics and ideology. Imagine the blues without the culture of pre-civil rights america. Imagine trying to separate actual satanic music from satan worship. It would be impossible to do all those things. Music doesnt exist in isolation, it's part of a greater web of culture.
@@yehoshua7552 you are thinking way to deep about this shit bro. Take like fifty steps back.
Rock, blues, jazz, country, all have roots in the black community and has been culturally appropriated over the decades. Anytime they have innovated something new, a new style or sound, it is taken, until you get to the hip-hop and rap genres. It is not easily accessible and is quintessentially an African American artform. Sure, there's good and bad examples like in any music, but it is unique to their culture. For once, they developed an art form that is not easily appropriated and not only that, but they also elevated it to the point where it replaced mainstream popular music, like rock for example, and has influenced mainstream music so much, that it is undeniably Black. In order to understand rap and hip-hop, you have to understand the culture. I think that's why it gets so much hate from outside that community. They don't understand it and they can't co-opt it, imitate it convincingly, in any meaningful way, so they try to tear it down. However, it's a waste of time. They have moved past that and have triumphed. They don't need anyone's criticism or approval.
Will you do more videos on OAUG?
I think rap is art, and a valid art form, it's just a bad art form, which is a generally subjective thing. Rap is an art form which was and is generally expressed by a particular part of a culture which harbour many negative aspects and that comes through alot. Most of mainstream rap fosters a very negative culture. Its a far inferior form of art than the blues which is the peak of 'black' music. I also find it to be highly unoriginal as sampling seems to be completely normal and accpted when its just taking other peoples work. But i can generally acknowledge that there's probably good rap out there. I havent heard it, but its probably there
There is quite a bit of good rap there. It's not the form that's the problem. It's just the lack of proper use of that form due to the stigma it has. There are lots of great artists who I think would thrive in rap if they realized how good it can be. My favorite rapper is Zach Sherwin, who is very unserious and has kind of a Weird Al vibe, but when you look at what he's actually doing with his lyricism you realize how much talent it takes to do the kind of wordplay and flow that he does.
@foreverdirt1615 Yes i would agree it isn't the form thats the problem, definitely takes talent to write the lyrics. But the question becomes can you truly separate rap from its origins and the culture surrounding it? I think you can't, and rap will always be defined and dominated by its roots and culture surrounding it, which many people have negative associations with. To some extent is rap still rap if the only thing connecting it to rap is the lyric structure? Like punk rock for example: can separate punk rock music from punk culture? I think many people have problems with the subject matter and culture of rap. But again, rap could very well have good stuff, that guy you mentioned sounds cool.
@@yehoshua7552 I think "rap" in this way is different from "hip hop" which is a culture. Rap is something that kind of existed before hip hop, in that people would rhyme over music while not necessarily utilizing tune, thus allowing for more words to be squeezed in, making the song more dense and wordy. To me that's the big strength of rap. Hip hop is what gave that form a real platform to grow into a unique identity.
It's only been about 45 years since hip hop took off. At this point in the history of rock and roll was where rock and roll finally started to lose its cultural relevance as it sort of fragmented into too many different subgenres that it influenced and those subgenres became more important than rock per se, such as hip hop.
Hip hop has proven to have a little more cultural longevity in that way, and that's probably because it didn't lose as much of its stigma as rock and roll. Of course, it lost some of it, but there's still a significant amount of hate for hip hop and a lack of willingness to embrace it as an influence. I think that might be why it's maintained its identity so well over the decades.
I have a theory that perhaps losing cultural relevance per se could be a GOOD thing for music as a whole, even if it's perceived as a bad thing for that genre, because that's when you know that its influence has spread so much that its identity has been called into question. "What is rock?" is a much harder question to answer these days than "what is hip hop?" But as time moves on and generations pass, hopefully hip hop will undergo the same transition.
What that could mean is a greater number of people start embracing the rap art form divorced from its cultural context as a black street thing. And that could be really good for music as a whole.
@@foreverdirt1615 You make very good and valid points. I spose I always viewed rap as being the culture rather than the style of music, but hip-hop being the culture makes more sense. Very well spoken.
Well it is and it isn't imo ha. Yeesus by Kanye is a work of art imo, Megan thee stallion on the other hand...
Just because you don't like a song doesn't invalidate a genre.
If you see a painting or sculpture you don't like that doesn't make it not art
There are so many bad rappers you could’ve chosen and you went with one of the best female rappers in the game right now.
@@THEmeepmopmoop Doja Cat is way better ha