Smith's deal with pyrion was an incredibly clever way to break the stalemate and make others consider deals, and from what I've seen it seems to be working rather well.
LaurieYuken a lot of Smith’s trades are VERY fair, if not insane... $1500 for a train station? I wouldn’t have even thought about it. You’d have to land on it 15 times (assuming he didn’t get the 4th) to make that money back.
It blows my mind how sips is constantly having a go at Smith for 'ridiculous trades' when the trades he asks for is 1.5k to 2.5k Smith's deals are, realistically, pretty fair. If not, it's severely damaging to himself.
It's not about fair. It's about controlling the assets. Sips is right that there's no point trading unless it's for a set. You win the game by getting a monopoly not by having more cash
I sympathize so much with smith, he wants to make the game actually move forward and be entertaining, while everyone else refuses to play and is happy just throwing $20 around
Then why didn't smith offer literally any properties until he decided to just give up? Who gives a fuck about 1500 dollars when they're trading away a property?
Definitely understand where Smith's coming from. Sips is the old pensioner who doesn't mind the game taking 15 hours. If none of them trade anything the series would never end. The yellow deal was definitely hilariously cheap, but this is just a youtube series. It's not WW3.
Correct. Even Monopoly IRL shouldn't take 3 days to complete, but no-one ever reads the rules. Trading and forced purchasing are rules to make it go quickly. (But don't ever talk shit about The Best Guy)
I have to say. The way Smith and pyrion was acting is the best way to play this game. That way it is a game you actualy can play with friends. Sips on the other hand just stalls the game and makes it in to a grind that takes forever with the way he behaves when it comes to trade.
@@xylordkhan1 more like. You have to trade. Demanding ludecrus prices serves noone. You have to try to win, but you have to understand that the best way to do that is to trade
@@nomore1088 I agree that playing with friends, having a good time, trading is the way to go. But if you just want to win, the optimal way to play monopoly is to grind away at your opponents without ever letting go of any of your properties. The only trades you do should be to buy properties from your opponents to obtain more monopolies. Never selling properties like Sips does is the way to go.
I very much liked the dynamic of the last 2 games, SIps was great in those, he seems so much more unreasonable with his deals this time though for no foreseeable reason.
britishhedgehog exactly. Monopoly isn’t fair it’s about arguments and trades and some people not trading. It’s why some love it and some like my sister hate the game lol. I love it as I win I’m a smithy. It’s fun. Imagine a game of just sips or just smiths.
The problem is, the only way for the game to progress was for someone to get fucked over. Smith took that bullet, and, now, everyone will have to make risky trades to compete.
@@raidwipe Yes and no, yes, realistically it's a good strategy, but it just makes everyone, including other players pissed off that the game doesn't progress. This is a youtube video, more over it's a Hat Films video, so it's all about the audience and the boiks. If Sips is just denying any progress it becomes very boring
I can't wait for the episode - Monopoly WHY ARE WE DOING THIS!!! w/Pryion & Sips #148 where we see everyone with thousands upon thousands of dollars still refusing to trade anything.
I feel so bad for how bullied Smithy gets in these. It's frustrating to watch him claw for any semblance of a spot in these games meanwhile everyone treats him like he's winning every game and refuses any kind of deal he puts forward.
@@Crisson24 what's infuriating is watching him trade away all his properties. He saw what happened with the money game last time. And yet he trades a set to pyrion and gives away a pink.
I get what you mean, like in the previous game, sips spent the whole game blocking Smith so he couldn't get anything, then tried to make it seem like Smith was intentionally avoiding obtaining properties. Sips, the man who blocks you from progressing and makes it your fault.
Then he tries trading pyrion like $1300 for 2 cards which doesn't even coplete his sets and pyrion is flat out saying it's a dumb deal then when as soon as smithy rejects the deal Pyrion is like "oh wait hold on you had a chance". I didn't want Smith to win any previous game but he better win this time. Also when he wanted to give ross $1,500 for 1 station?? Come on that's a deal where you just say yes right away, it's not giving smithy that much. I feel like Ross was felt peer pressured to not accept it or something. Even for $1k you sell it and buy a card you actually need with that money. Why care about 1 station which you earn $25 from?? and it'll only let smith earn $100 from them! $1,500! accept that right away. I know it was kind of a joke from smith but that just cnfirms how good of a deal it was and that you say yes right away.
@@walker1054 Ultimately it seems they've got no idea how to evaluate deals. Completing a Set has a high cost associated with it, unless you both complete a set, in which case circumstance and board positioning of the property sets may make one player offer/ask for more. If no one is completing a set, it gets vastly simpler in that you can just evaluate the deal based on: How long will it take for them to get a return on the property at this price. Can I utilise the property/Money they give me immediately: Can I use this money to purchase houses? Can I use this money to leverage someone else using this AND a property in order for a set? This was, frustrating, to say the least. 1500 for a single trainstation, which isn't even the 4th one, is just an instant accept like you say. That is a nonsense amount of cash to give someone this early in the game; especially if they're roughly equal with other players at this stage in the game.
Really depends on how often everyone is landing on the stations, some games people can’t stay off of them. And if you own all 4 and everyone has poor luck than your banking to a win
Smith also likes the taste of other peoples salt even more than his own. It's kinda a meme at this point for Smith to have all the train stations, and, when he gets them, he wins. Not over-valued, just trying to make a boring game (at the core) watchable and funny.
What are you talking about? Pyrion just gave Smith this game by giving him that station. Once you have more than 2 and some other properties it's all over. Smith just needs to buy some other properties with the cash he gets from people landing on stations and he's already won this game.
Sips wont win either with his attitude. He done it the last game too and got stuck with just the browns the entire game. Can't move up in the game without helping out other people too otherwise they won't deal with you.
Love the monopoly boys. But my god Sips seems like someone i would never play board games with, he is doing everything in his power to keep the game from progressing.
Am I the only one that actually agrees with Smith? If no one trades it gets boring. Sure, you don’t want someone to get a full set, but you if it’s for 1000+ it’s a good deal.
No you're not the only one. Sucks to watch a stalemate game just cause sips wants to be king monopoly. Just make these light-hearted and fun, don't torture a guy for wanting to move the game along
Why are you guys so adverse to decent trades!?! And then you crucify Smith for advancing the game after bis proposals could have been good. This was sooooo frustrating... I love it 🤣
Thing is nobody wants only money in a deal. Flax is right, this is about properties. You can get 1300$ for two properties, but end up with nothing. The only way that works out for you is if somebody else will sell you properties (also at high cost because they saw how much money you got).
@@acegilliam7696 Not really, when it was just Hat Films yea, but that's monopoly. Sips on the otherhand straight up stonewalled the entire game until Smith got trades going
Yeah, I'm pretty sure sips just doesn't like seeing Smith fuck the other hat boiks over on account of they're really dumb. It's sort of like watching an adult stomping children in a board game; kind of hard to root for them
@@MegaBollard Sips doesn't call him out on it he just blatantly refuses to make any kind of trade that isn't ridiculously benefitting him. He refuses to do any kind of risk/benefit assessment and just plays the game like a bot
@@Zeppy159 A bot is accurate, the risk/rewards would need to massively flip in favour of the bot to make a deal, such as the 2008 monopoly computer game or the 1995 version I'm not sure
Pyrion needs to mortgage everything except the yellows, keep $300 in cash & spend the rest on houses. Let the big bucks roll in. I thought selling Smithy the station was a huge misplay but that yellow trade was so much more valuable
I thought selling Smithy the trainstation was good. My instinct was to barter a 3 way deal between Pyrion, Trott, and Sips. Something like Sips gets both blues and utilities, Trott gets pink set, and Pyrion takes orange set and maybe pays a bit of money to Trott and Sips for having a better set. In such a game, Pyrion would probably be something like 35% to win I think (Assuming play follows that Sips recognizes that he is going to struggle unless he hits big on blue, and sells Ross Red for something like 1k in value. Maybe 400 and the greens and train stations.)
It was a bad trade from Pyrion followed by a terrible trade from Smith. Pyrion was too relaxed about the value of stations & Smithy was motivated by sticking it to Sips instead of making smart financial choices. If P-Flax goes on to win this he owes a lot to Sips for goading Smith about his trades. It worked out for Pyrion but it really shouldn't have.
@@pigmiwarriorgaming1315 How was the trainstation trade bad? I would agree that a trainstation for just money would be questionable, but because he gets the pink, he has crazy trading potential. Almost all properties are out, the game should kick up now. Also, Ross not buying the yellow was probably the worst play overall, funny that no one mentions it.
@@GEM4sta Having 3 stations instead of 2 has the equivalent earning potential of going from a full 2 set (eg. Browns) with 1 house on each to having a full 3 set (eg. Light Blue) with 2 houses on each in terms of income (+ $50 each on 2 spaces & +$100 on 1 space). Pyrion's single pink gives him the earning potential of $12 on a single space. That trade was only viable if P-Flax already had the other 2 pinks
I think this game is necessary for people to see that if you are unwilling to trade, then someone else will- so those two players who are getting mutually beneficial bargains are going to grow and stonewalls are just going to lose.
@@jordanmcpeak5319 smith is well aware of that. But you've seen what has happened, thanks to Sips not willing to do any trading and convincing the others to do the same the game will go on for an eternity. He would rather lose to pyrion than have this go on for years with nothing happening. He even said he would rather prop trott up to take sips down in the video
On the other hand, with Sips refusing to do any reasonable trade and convincing the others to do the same the game would never end. By giving Pyrion a set he's forcing the others to start trading if they want any chance of victory. They either adapt or die.
nothing Trott loves more than telling everyone where they landed as fast as possible and before anyone else can figure it out ..i mean, he fucking LOVES it
I think he was just getting bored from having any opportunity at trade shot down, like he said towards the end - if you aren't willing to ever entertain property trading monopoly is just a dice game
Last game I was so here for Sips calling out Smiths terrible deals, but this time Sips need to be taken down. What is he even trying to achieve? Smith have nothing and nobody can progress because there wont ever be enough money on the board, he's just wasting our time
A house rule you lads may want to implement is: Only the parties involved in a trade may speak about the trade until it's completion. This will avoid any unwanted outside influence from other players and forces the players to decide for themselves. Monopoly is a funny game because it doesn't necessarily need to end with a single winner. If players cooperate they can build a stable system where no one loses, ever... or until the bank runs out of cash or good ol' human greed rears it's ugly head.
So Sips is just being a stubborn, malevolent prick to Smith and ruining the atmosphere for whatever reason, Trott sees Smith as the biggest threat out of the group on a mental level, but what baffles me is why Ross is ganging up against Smith as well. He seems to only be afraid of Smith and almost trusting towards Trott, even though the latter is the one constantly trying to manipulate others, lying and pretending to be more stupid than he is. Smith is certainly crafty as well, but in situations like these (trying to gain advantage through mutually beneficial acts) he's usually quite reasonable and even honest.
It’s funny how Sips and Smith have a little rivalry going and no one else really seems to notice. They seem to actually by annoyed by each other. They have very clashing personalities
I'll be honest all this super exspensive trading is making the vids boring the game is ment to have people trade to beinfit everyone but now were just going to watch 5 vids of you guys giving each other $20 a turn until you get bored.
At least we can be excited for the game to start next episode,people should trade now that Smith cucked himself to show that trading isn't something to avoid.Kudos to Pyrion for actually playing without stonewalling based on past games,Smith basically can't win because of how the others are treating him.
This is so FRUSTRATING to watch :'D Nothing happens but these tiny amounts of cash getting thrown around. BOIKS play with the rule where you can build houses on a property without owning all three!
smiths yellow deal, in my opinion, was the right choice. Had he not no one would have gotten a monopoly and the game would litteraly gone on forever as they were getting more money from go than they were losing. Now there is a bleed zone and smith has enough money to stay over and wait for the others to be compromised and strike
Dr When I think Smith should’ve traded the yellow to pyrion for some amount of property at least. Like pyrion said: deals without property are worthless even smith knew from the last game where having no properties got him. If he traded the yellow for 1 or 2 lower properties he might’ve had a chance at coming back. He has enough money as it is
So I believe I saw you accidentally do it at one point, but I think if you stop at $100, you can add it to the trade by 100's. Then again, gotta keep the tedium alive!!!
All I'm getting from this game is Sips really doesn't know how to do agreeable deals, last time I can understand you're auctioning but now you're just buying you can't just say $2500 for a green. I'd never want to play boardgames with him, takes it way too seriously for my liking.
@@zoravar.k7904 Makes sense, it just getting on my nerves how he's playing the game way too seriously for my liking. I want to see these five have fun but instead it just seems overly aggresive. :c
With sips having one of most colours, this game is going to last a while because he won't trade, even for his own benefit. Just going to be a series of floating 20s. Kinda hoping they swap him out with someone for the next game.
Chris "The Cat Burglar" Trott Ted "Press The Button" Forsyth Chris "No Trade" Lovasz Alex "Good Consistent Monopoly" Smith Ross "Close To a Monopoly" Hornby
In game 1 Smith was taking all the advantages over Trott and Ross, which Sips rightfully pointed out. People were yelling at them to not take Smith's asinine deals. Now they are wise to his deal making but have over corrected and people are mad again. To win in Monopoly, you need to propose good deals that are fair and refuse bad deals. History does matter and Smith gave rotten deals and now isn't trusted to deal with. The good thing is that there is 2 other people who are neutral in this and should make fair trades.
What Smith doesn't understand is that cash is worthless with no sets on the board. If you want property, you are going to have to trade some property back with cash as an extra bargaining tool, not the main means of trade.
Cash is worthless but its not like he had much choice, he lost out on dice rolls and thats all he had to trade with by the time the board was all bought up. And like money is worthless in real life but because we all realize its potential as a trade go between it suddenly becomes very useful, theres no reason that cant apply here, the only reason its worthless is becasue they all refuse to deal with it apart from smithy.
Not really. The value of a property has less to do with potential rent and more to do with the leverage it gives you over other players. It's really hard to get someone to trade cash for property unless they really need that cash, so you generally need to have a property to offer in trade make progress
@@DaliborOkoro I'd disagree with you there. It's definitely an exorbitant price, and definitely not something anyone should consider paying, but think of it this way: If he had taken less for it, it would've bolstered Smith's position, and undermined his own. That's because the other players wouldn't accept a cash-for-property easily, so if he wanted to see any benefit from that trade, he would've needed to get enough money from the deal to buy another property and make up for the one he'd lost
Property is all there is to value. 1500 is worth nothing compared to future earning potential. Ross can't use that money to build houses and no one will trade him a set. Instead he now has leverage against Smith if a chance to trade property came up. Cash trades are how you lose the game
Love sips. Not for this game anymore though. He has too much of an effect on smith. If smiffy isn’t having fun hat films is shit. Ross and trott can only mediate so much.
@@iplaylol25 It's not. Smith was going to give away 1500 for one train station, Smith's deals were insane that early on in the game. Even in late game monopoly 1000+ is game ending
Ross should buy a brown this episode so he has 2 in the pink and one in the stink Also trott is only buying his way out of prison because his usual choice of blowing the guard to get out isn't available
How did Smith manage to slowly gather most of the trains stations _again_ hahaha, I was sure they wouldn't let anyone have the monopoly on the train stations again! Lol It's hard to decide who to root for, buuuuuut, I think I'm going with either Ross and his varied selection of properties or Chris "MY CAT!!" Trott, hahaha
So in the earlier games Smith makes pretty ridiculous offers, and everyone refuses. Okay, nothing wrong there Now Smith makes very fair deals (maybe even TOO fair for the others) and everyone still refuses. ???
I think Sips is ruining the mood of fun. Smith can be conniving (which is part of the point and fun of this game) but Sips is just being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn. I'm not really enjoying this anymore. I'll watch if you play Monopoly again without him.
17:57 So sad to watch Smith just broken down to a sombre tone and a genuine question as to why sips stonewalls,at least the other boiks kind of noticed and abruptly changed the subject?
Smith's deal with pyrion was an incredibly clever way to break the stalemate and make others consider deals, and from what I've seen it seems to be working rather well.
God bless smiff for getting the game moving
Blows my mind how unwilling everybody is to trade. It's virtually impossible for a game to end without trading properties.
LaurieYuken a lot of Smith’s trades are VERY fair, if not insane... $1500 for a train station? I wouldn’t have even thought about it. You’d have to land on it 15 times (assuming he didn’t get the 4th) to make that money back.
It blows my mind how sips is constantly having a go at Smith for 'ridiculous trades' when the trades he asks for is 1.5k to 2.5k
Smith's deals are, realistically, pretty fair. If not, it's severely damaging to himself.
I think the whole point is NOT to give Smith power.
It's not about fair. It's about controlling the assets. Sips is right that there's no point trading unless it's for a set. You win the game by getting a monopoly not by having more cash
Smith proved last game why having a lot of money but no properties is worthless, the only trades worth entertaining are ones involving property.
I sympathize so much with smith, he wants to make the game actually move forward and be entertaining, while everyone else refuses to play and is happy just throwing $20 around
Then why didn't smith offer literally any properties until he decided to just give up? Who gives a fuck about 1500 dollars when they're trading away a property?
Definitely understand where Smith's coming from. Sips is the old pensioner who doesn't mind the game taking 15 hours. If none of them trade anything the series would never end. The yellow deal was definitely hilariously cheap, but this is just a youtube series. It's not WW3.
Correct. Even Monopoly IRL shouldn't take 3 days to complete, but no-one ever reads the rules. Trading and forced purchasing are rules to make it go quickly. (But don't ever talk shit about The Best Guy)
"Old pensioner" geez, bit harsh
I have to say. The way Smith and pyrion was acting is the best way to play this game. That way it is a game you actualy can play with friends. Sips on the other hand just stalls the game and makes it in to a grind that takes forever with the way he behaves when it comes to trade.
Kinda telling that the best way to play the game is to not try to win lol.
@@xylordkhan1 more like. You have to trade. Demanding ludecrus prices serves noone. You have to try to win, but you have to understand that the best way to do that is to trade
@@nomore1088 I agree that playing with friends, having a good time, trading is the way to go. But if you just want to win, the optimal way to play monopoly is to grind away at your opponents without ever letting go of any of your properties. The only trades you do should be to buy properties from your opponents to obtain more monopolies. Never selling properties like Sips does is the way to go.
I very much liked the dynamic of the last 2 games, SIps was great in those, he seems so much more unreasonable with his deals this time though for no foreseeable reason.
Love watching you guys playing Monopoly. Can’t wait to see you get one mil subs
Wishful thinking there bud
Joe Smith unfortunately your probably right. Lol
Still hasn't happened
Welcome to 2021 and 900k.
I didn't know sips was the south park kind of Canadian.
What other kind is there?
Glad someone else got the reference
Call those deals bad but if Smith or Pyrion were playing like Sips this game would go on until they started to die.
Literally the point of monopoly
britishhedgehog exactly. Monopoly isn’t fair it’s about arguments and trades and some people not trading. It’s why some love it and some like my sister hate the game lol. I love it as I win I’m a smithy. It’s fun. Imagine a game of just sips or just smiths.
@@britishhedgehog LOL fair point.
Cat gets slightly nudged: *"MY CAT!"*
Cat gets completely knocked over: *no reaction*
Sips: Smith's deals are always stupid and ridiculous
Sips: I'll give you my property for $2.5k
Logic.
Poor smith, Sips does seem to be rather hard on him, even with all the banter you can tell smith isn't in on it and is rarely smiling along side.
I love Sips, but it is pretty frustrating seeing him completely avoid progressing the game.
The problem is, the only way for the game to progress was for someone to get fucked over. Smith took that bullet, and, now, everyone will have to make risky trades to compete.
Sips thinks he's being clever....
He is being clever, if he wants to win :) Pissbabies
@@raidwipe Yes and no, yes, realistically it's a good strategy, but it just makes everyone, including other players pissed off that the game doesn't progress. This is a youtube video, more over it's a Hat Films video, so it's all about the audience and the boiks. If Sips is just denying any progress it becomes very boring
my cat!
I can't wait for the episode - Monopoly WHY ARE WE DOING THIS!!! w/Pryion & Sips #148 where we see everyone with thousands upon thousands of dollars still refusing to trade anything.
I feel so bad for how bullied Smithy gets in these. It's frustrating to watch him claw for any semblance of a spot in these games meanwhile everyone treats him like he's winning every game and refuses any kind of deal he puts forward.
Smith getting his comeuppance, Sips ain't convinced by his usual BS.
Smith had a bad start, its not the other players responsibility to give him the deals he wants.
@@Crisson24 what's infuriating is watching him trade away all his properties. He saw what happened with the money game last time. And yet he trades a set to pyrion and gives away a pink.
I get what you mean, like in the previous game, sips spent the whole game blocking Smith so he couldn't get anything, then tried to make it seem like Smith was intentionally avoiding obtaining properties.
Sips, the man who blocks you from progressing and makes it your fault.
If he gets any power whatsoever he becomes the biggest bully ever. Don’t feel bad for him.
Thank you Smith for calling out Sips' and his bs deal demands
Then he tries trading pyrion like $1300 for 2 cards which doesn't even coplete his sets and pyrion is flat out saying it's a dumb deal then when as soon as smithy rejects the deal Pyrion is like "oh wait hold on you had a chance". I didn't want Smith to win any previous game but he better win this time.
Also when he wanted to give ross $1,500 for 1 station?? Come on that's a deal where you just say yes right away, it's not giving smithy that much. I feel like Ross was felt peer pressured to not accept it or something. Even for $1k you sell it and buy a card you actually need with that money. Why care about 1 station which you earn $25 from?? and it'll only let smith earn $100 from them! $1,500! accept that right away. I know it was kind of a joke from smith but that just cnfirms how good of a deal it was and that you say yes right away.
@@walker1054 Ultimately it seems they've got no idea how to evaluate deals.
Completing a Set has a high cost associated with it, unless you both complete a set, in which case circumstance and board positioning of the property sets may make one player offer/ask for more.
If no one is completing a set, it gets vastly simpler in that you can just evaluate the deal based on:
How long will it take for them to get a return on the property at this price.
Can I utilise the property/Money they give me immediately:
Can I use this money to purchase houses?
Can I use this money to leverage someone else using this AND a property in order for a set?
This was, frustrating, to say the least.
1500 for a single trainstation, which isn't even the 4th one, is just an instant accept like you say. That is a nonsense amount of cash to give someone this early in the game; especially if they're roughly equal with other players at this stage in the game.
These boys massively over-value the train stations.
No they don't
@@jjdude5531 They do
Really depends on how often everyone is landing on the stations, some games people can’t stay off of them. And if you own all 4 and everyone has poor luck than your banking to a win
Smith also likes the taste of other peoples salt even more than his own. It's kinda a meme at this point for Smith to have all the train stations, and, when he gets them, he wins.
Not over-valued, just trying to make a boring game (at the core) watchable and funny.
What are you talking about? Pyrion just gave Smith this game by giving him that station. Once you have more than 2 and some other properties it's all over. Smith just needs to buy some other properties with the cash he gets from people landing on stations and he's already won this game.
Man, Smith was just browbeaten into givig up this game. Sips was so unreasonable.
Sips wont win either with his attitude. He done it the last game too and got stuck with just the browns the entire game. Can't move up in the game without helping out other people too otherwise they won't deal with you.
love the series, hate the refusing to trade. See you guys on episode 22 with a winner
The value they place on railroads is incredible. Those suck when compared to getting closer to a set. Definetly not worth 400 and a property.
I love how pyrion is vaping up an absolute storm in the corner 😂
1. I love sips.
2. Sips is ruining the game.
3. More trades = more fun
4. (most important) add 100 to the trade ten times. Don't scroll to 1000!
Love the monopoly boys. But my god Sips seems like someone i would never play board games with, he is doing everything in his power to keep the game from progressing.
Am I the only one that actually agrees with Smith? If no one trades it gets boring. Sure, you don’t want someone to get a full set, but you if it’s for 1000+ it’s a good deal.
No you're not the only one. Sucks to watch a stalemate game just cause sips wants to be king monopoly. Just make these light-hearted and fun, don't torture a guy for wanting to move the game along
Why are you guys so adverse to decent trades!?! And then you crucify Smith for advancing the game after bis proposals could have been good. This was sooooo frustrating... I love it 🤣
This is getting kind of painful to watch, everyone shitting on Smith who just wants to play.
Also slows the game a lot cause noone wants to make any deals rly annoying.
Reason being is because he makes shady deals
Thing is nobody wants only money in a deal. Flax is right, this is about properties. You can get 1300$ for two properties, but end up with nothing. The only way that works out for you is if somebody else will sell you properties (also at high cost because they saw how much money you got).
@@acegilliam7696 Not really, when it was just Hat Films yea, but that's monopoly. Sips on the otherhand straight up stonewalled the entire game until Smith got trades going
Yay, maybe pyrion will win. Smith is right though, sips is just angry when smith is successful lol.
To be fair Smith is garbage at making deals.. And in the last game he would rather screw himself then go down something like 100$ in a 1k deal...
@@iFereTTa Smith just blurts out moronic deals, then gets affronted when Sips call him out on it.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure sips just doesn't like seeing Smith fuck the other hat boiks over on account of they're really dumb. It's sort of like watching an adult stomping children in a board game; kind of hard to root for them
@@MegaBollard Sips doesn't call him out on it he just blatantly refuses to make any kind of trade that isn't ridiculously benefitting him. He refuses to do any kind of risk/benefit assessment and just plays the game like a bot
@@Zeppy159 A bot is accurate, the risk/rewards would need to massively flip in favour of the bot to make a deal, such as the 2008 monopoly computer game or the 1995 version I'm not sure
"$1500!"
Alex Smith will remember that.
one of rare occasions where sips is undesirable
Pyrion needs to mortgage everything except the yellows, keep $300 in cash & spend the rest on houses. Let the big bucks roll in. I thought selling Smithy the station was a huge misplay but that yellow trade was so much more valuable
P-Flax's willingness to trade with Smith made that yellow trade happen, so it was very good for him.
I thought selling Smithy the trainstation was good.
My instinct was to barter a 3 way deal between Pyrion, Trott, and Sips. Something like Sips gets both blues and utilities, Trott gets pink set, and Pyrion takes orange set and maybe pays a bit of money to Trott and Sips for having a better set. In such a game, Pyrion would probably be something like 35% to win I think (Assuming play follows that Sips recognizes that he is going to struggle unless he hits big on blue, and sells Ross Red for something like 1k in value. Maybe 400 and the greens and train stations.)
It was a bad trade from Pyrion followed by a terrible trade from Smith. Pyrion was too relaxed about the value of stations & Smithy was motivated by sticking it to Sips instead of making smart financial choices. If P-Flax goes on to win this he owes a lot to Sips for goading Smith about his trades. It worked out for Pyrion but it really shouldn't have.
@@pigmiwarriorgaming1315 How was the trainstation trade bad? I would agree that a trainstation for just money would be questionable, but because he gets the pink, he has crazy trading potential. Almost all properties are out, the game should kick up now.
Also, Ross not buying the yellow was probably the worst play overall, funny that no one mentions it.
@@GEM4sta Having 3 stations instead of 2 has the equivalent earning potential of going from a full 2 set (eg. Browns) with 1 house on each to having a full 3 set (eg. Light Blue) with 2 houses on each in terms of income (+ $50 each on 2 spaces & +$100 on 1 space). Pyrion's single pink gives him the earning potential of $12 on a single space. That trade was only viable if P-Flax already had the other 2 pinks
I can't comprehend why ross didn't instantly take the $1500 for his train station deal, that would've easily put him at the top of the game
If there ever were two people to compliment Hat Films, it's these two glorious bastards, the five of them are just fucking perfect together.
Pyrion vaguely being in shot and half the size of everyone else is my favourite thing
Appreciate smith trying to trade with people despite sips being a shit about it
Amen
Smith and Flax are the only ones playing Monopoly. Everyone else is playing go around in circles paying each other back and forth.
I'd also be down for a Monopoly stream
I think this game is necessary for people to see that if you are unwilling to trade, then someone else will- so those two players who are getting mutually beneficial bargains are going to grow and stonewalls are just going to lose.
Smith should have really tried and get that other yellow
Its insane to me that he didnt learn from last time. He knows that big money for properties forth it but he still doesnt put it into practice
Agreed! Pyrion is very logical and likely would have bailed before it got too high.
@@jordanmcpeak5319 smith is well aware of that. But you've seen what has happened, thanks to Sips not willing to do any trading and convincing the others to do the same the game will go on for an eternity. He would rather lose to pyrion than have this go on for years with nothing happening. He even said he would rather prop trott up to take sips down in the video
On the other hand, with Sips refusing to do any reasonable trade and convincing the others to do the same the game would never end. By giving Pyrion a set he's forcing the others to start trading if they want any chance of victory. They either adapt or die.
Yeah... Note to self: Never play monopoly with Sips!
i love pyrions silence while the children learn new curse words such an adult
nothing Trott loves more than telling everyone where they landed as fast as possible and before anyone else can figure it out ..i mean, he fucking LOVES it
Smith so could have milked a property from Pyrion for the last yellow. Worst trade deal in history.
I think he was just getting bored from having any opportunity at trade shot down, like he said towards the end - if you aren't willing to ever entertain property trading monopoly is just a dice game
i would 100% do that 'ahhh im bankrupt' thing when i land on the $2 brown, and accidentally bankrupt myself for real
Last game I was so here for Sips calling out Smiths terrible deals, but this time Sips need to be taken down. What is he even trying to achieve? Smith have nothing and nobody can progress because there wont ever be enough money on the board, he's just wasting our time
Ross: "I spent all my money on lavish merchandise"
Goddamn, not the home cinemas again Ross..
A house rule you lads may want to implement is: Only the parties involved in a trade may speak about the trade until it's completion. This will avoid any unwanted outside influence from other players and forces the players to decide for themselves.
Monopoly is a funny game because it doesn't necessarily need to end with a single winner. If players cooperate they can build a stable system where no one loses, ever... or until the bank runs out of cash or good ol' human greed rears it's ugly head.
I feel for smith, it's like the trading function doesn't even exist for everyone else.
Trott staying in Jail was probably the best play of this game so far
So Sips is just being a stubborn, malevolent prick to Smith and ruining the atmosphere for whatever reason, Trott sees Smith as the biggest threat out of the group on a mental level, but what baffles me is why Ross is ganging up against Smith as well. He seems to only be afraid of Smith and almost trusting towards Trott, even though the latter is the one constantly trying to manipulate others, lying and pretending to be more stupid than he is. Smith is certainly crafty as well, but in situations like these (trying to gain advantage through mutually beneficial acts) he's usually quite reasonable and even honest.
That thumbnail pic hahaha..
It’s funny how Sips and Smith have a little rivalry going and no one else really seems to notice. They seem to actually by annoyed by each other. They have very clashing personalities
20:31 Because up yours Sips. That's literally it, he want's your salt
Dat f'n thumbnail. Great series. Keep 'em coming lads. Cheers.
Monopoly Plus #88:
*Trott still hasn’t passed go*
It’s so entertaining watching you guys play monopoly lol
Slowest game of Monopoly ever. Good for Smith for actually getting trading started.
I'll be honest all this super exspensive trading is making the vids boring the game is ment to have people trade to beinfit everyone but now were just going to watch 5 vids of you guys giving each other $20 a turn until you get bored.
sips: bitttccchhh
flax: trade?
smith: trade?
ross: ehhh
trott: *in prison*
At least we can be excited for the game to start next episode,people should trade now that Smith cucked himself to show that trading isn't something to avoid.Kudos to Pyrion for actually playing without stonewalling based on past games,Smith basically can't win because of how the others are treating him.
Love the thumbnail reference!
Smith is the only one playing this right, there all crazy with prices
Should key in a pic of the Hat Films studio wall behind Sips and Pyrion, pretend like they are there instead of a black background 🤔
This is so FRUSTRATING to watch :'D
Nothing happens but these tiny amounts of cash getting thrown around. BOIKS play with the rule where you can build houses on a property without owning all three!
smiths yellow deal, in my opinion, was the right choice. Had he not no one would have gotten a monopoly and the game would litteraly gone on forever as they were getting more money from go than they were losing. Now there is a bleed zone and smith has enough money to stay over and wait for the others to be compromised and strike
Dr When I think Smith should’ve traded the yellow to pyrion for some amount of property at least. Like pyrion said: deals without property are worthless even smith knew from the last game where having no properties got him. If he traded the yellow for 1 or 2 lower properties he might’ve had a chance at coming back. He has enough money as it is
So I believe I saw you accidentally do it at one point, but I think if you stop at $100, you can add it to the trade by 100's. Then again, gotta keep the tedium alive!!!
All I'm getting from this game is Sips really doesn't know how to do agreeable deals, last time I can understand you're auctioning but now you're just buying you can't just say $2500 for a green. I'd never want to play boardgames with him, takes it way too seriously for my liking.
Money trades are the least optimal in monopoly (since it doesn't get you closer to victory), sips wants property trades.
It wouldn’t actually take that much money he was joking around you fucking idiot
@@12345BTU Woah, language. >_>
@@zoravar.k7904 Makes sense, it just getting on my nerves how he's playing the game way too seriously for my liking. I want to see these five have fun but instead it just seems overly aggresive. :c
With sips having one of most colours, this game is going to last a while because he won't trade, even for his own benefit. Just going to be a series of floating 20s. Kinda hoping they swap him out with someone for the next game.
Watching this drunk is just great!
What is Smith doing at 8:10? Is he using those oil removing papers or something ??
Chris "The Cat Burglar" Trott
Ted "Press The Button" Forsyth
Chris "No Trade" Lovasz
Alex "Good Consistent Monopoly" Smith
Ross "Close To a Monopoly" Hornby
11:55 pyrion is frozen in time
I ship the Pyron Alsmiffy merger! These other jerks are slowing down the game. If either of them win (hell even maybe trott) I can feel at peace.
Ross is pretty harmless this game as well,he's not stonewalling out of stubbornness but more out of Sips and Trott's encouragement.
pyrion has it in the bag
They rolled like 8 sevens in a row
I love the thumbnail
Why are they so crazy about the train stations, even when you have 4 of them its only 200 when you land on one of
them.
Jack Openshaw it’s a good early game option to get money to build up houses. But late game they’re useless
It’s a mathematically common landing spot
In game 1 Smith was taking all the advantages over Trott and Ross, which Sips rightfully pointed out. People were yelling at them to not take Smith's asinine deals. Now they are wise to his deal making but have over corrected and people are mad again. To win in Monopoly, you need to propose good deals that are fair and refuse bad deals. History does matter and Smith gave rotten deals and now isn't trusted to deal with. The good thing is that there is 2 other people who are neutral in this and should make fair trades.
Amen
What Smith doesn't understand is that cash is worthless with no sets on the board. If you want property, you are going to have to trade some property back with cash as an extra bargaining tool, not the main means of trade.
Cash is worthless but its not like he had much choice, he lost out on dice rolls and thats all he had to trade with by the time the board was all bought up. And like money is worthless in real life but because we all realize its potential as a trade go between it suddenly becomes very useful, theres no reason that cant apply here, the only reason its worthless is becasue they all refuse to deal with it apart from smithy.
They overrate property value way too much, it's infuriating. Pyrion is the only one with any sense it seems.
Not really. The value of a property has less to do with potential rent and more to do with the leverage it gives you over other players. It's really hard to get someone to trade cash for property unless they really need that cash, so you generally need to have a property to offer in trade make progress
@@justoneman13 You're right, but 1500 for a train station shouldn't even be a question in Ross' mind.
@@DaliborOkoro I'd disagree with you there. It's definitely an exorbitant price, and definitely not something anyone should consider paying, but think of it this way: If he had taken less for it, it would've bolstered Smith's position, and undermined his own. That's because the other players wouldn't accept a cash-for-property easily, so if he wanted to see any benefit from that trade, he would've needed to get enough money from the deal to buy another property and make up for the one he'd lost
Property is all there is to value. 1500 is worth nothing compared to future earning potential. Ross can't use that money to build houses and no one will trade him a set. Instead he now has leverage against Smith if a chance to trade property came up. Cash trades are how you lose the game
britishhedgehog I don’t understand... surely $1500 is a lot more than all the profit Ross will ever from that train station.
good consistent monopoly
I've got my money on pyrion
Love sips. Not for this game anymore though. He has too much of an effect on smith. If smiffy isn’t having fun hat films is shit. Ross and trott can only mediate so much.
People who play like sips is the reason I hate monopoly
Sips likes to play this game like a stall team in pokemon
I feel sad for smith...so much discrimination
You are upset that people aren't throwing the game away with shit deals. It's Monopoly you don't trade away money for property. Money is useless
@@iplaylol25 It's not. Smith was going to give away 1500 for one train station, Smith's deals were insane that early on in the game. Even in late game monopoly 1000+ is game ending
Great thumbnail boiks
Sips is actually managing to annoying me with his BS deals.
@@Ora_ imagine getting angry about someone you've never met playing a board game hahaha
@@Ora_ Maybe look for a different hobby dude
Ted has the best laugh.
those were some really expensive deals!
Ross and Trott should step up and try to make some more deals
I love sips' deals. Change my mind.
Ross should buy a brown this episode so he has 2 in the pink and one in the stink
Also trott is only buying his way out of prison because his usual choice of blowing the guard to get out isn't available
How did Smith manage to slowly gather most of the trains stations _again_ hahaha, I was sure they wouldn't let anyone have the monopoly on the train stations again! Lol
It's hard to decide who to root for, buuuuuut, I think I'm going with either Ross and his varied selection of properties or Chris "MY CAT!!" Trott, hahaha
Smith should’ve traded his yellow for the dark blue
12:25 why did trott cheer when sips said there are no browns left... lol
Smith landed on his property, it was just unfortunate timing.
Smith is my spirit animal when it comes to monopoly, nobody ever trades! Reee
So in the earlier games Smith makes pretty ridiculous offers, and everyone refuses. Okay, nothing wrong there
Now Smith makes very fair deals (maybe even TOO fair for the others) and everyone still refuses. ???
I think Sips is ruining the mood of fun. Smith can be conniving (which is part of the point and fun of this game) but Sips is just being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn. I'm not really enjoying this anymore. I'll watch if you play Monopoly again without him.
I agree. This was a series I really loved but now it's just gotten boring watching sips being a hardass and Smith looking dejected.
@@willowskyzer9113 Don't watch it then. Sips is still the most entertaining of them all IMO
@@JustinRSoles that's your oppinion. And sadly if it continues to be frustrating and boring I won't be watching it.
17:57 So sad to watch Smith just broken down to a sombre tone and a genuine question as to why sips stonewalls,at least the other boiks kind of noticed and abruptly changed the subject?