GREAT VIDEO... I do almost everything you showed there.. And actually learned something about the pile hitch, though I usually just feed the climbing line through the ring of the throw bag and tie an overhand knot. When that doesn't work I'll definitely try it your way. Solid practical information. great presentation and no time wasted. I just wish I had made this video first.
Thanks! I’ve seen guys leave the throwbag on the line and they say it can help to jump the rope through the unions. They must be doing something I can’t see because I just tend to get things stuck when I leave the bag on 😅
@@Stridertrees I've had success w leaving the bag on but I will try girth hitching further down the line than I usually do. I think that will work well
@@Stridertrees i do that only when theres a loop for hooking a acc. biner to the bottom of the throwbag and then to your eye splice of the rope. the momentum created can fling itself over the crotch. its convenient, but your way might be better lol ill try it
One thing great about many of the comments here, is that they are all from experienced guys. It shows me that you all have one thing in common, great teachers are also great learners. Keep on keeping on guys.
Been climbing for 15 years. And I love how this guy explains things it’s not this is how i do it, It’s this is how it works for me and why. that’s helpful when teaching this is a great channel
Well explained Bro. My condolences to you and your wife for your lose. My congratulations for the additions to the fam. Keep up the well produced vids.
The 5 gallon bucket works great for my throw line, weights and helmet and I have been using a bowline for the throw line for years. Never thought to use girth hitch. Much quicker and easier. Thanks 👍
Nice job as ALWAYS. I'm sorry that you lost your father-in-law. Condolences to the family. On a high note congratulations for the additions. Thanks for another great video. I always seem to find something to think about when I see your videos. I appreciate that you are always willing to help new climbers with practical solutions.
I tried 2 other throwlines. 1st line was blue & knotted up easily & had problems coming through tight crotches. The red line I had was very light & threw nice. However I found it was not ideal in many crotches. It seemed like it would cut into the crotch on 1 side leaving your ball right near the crotch. That is my backup line now but I don't like to use it cuz it leaves a red residue on your fingers. The chartreuse dynaglide has had no problems & works great with a 12 & a half oz. Petzyl throwball. I have very few problems & enjoy using it. I've progressed to hitting an ideal crotch or union on the tree that isn't my destination but gets me in the tree. I climb with a double rope system that is open & I just keep tieing into a tree with alot of unions & advancing myself up as I go. Having a nice Silky saw makes this process more enjoyable. I've found that being on the ground throwing is counter productive & was I hit that 1st union advancing is usually just 1 throw away & over a nearby crotch. Some trees don't allow u to be on the right side of the tree but once u r up there u can get to the right side w/o wasting time. Thanks for the tips on attaching to the climbing rope. I tried alot of methods & I don't consider the clove hitch even an option after I already have a pile on it. I like to put it above the termination side where I have a factory sewn loop since I have a split-tail with a Blake's on it. Tieing the tail end of the split-tail to prusik above my sewn loop end helps me to climb quickly with no delays.
Thanks for the figure 8 and girth hitch advice - I feel a bit arrogant for thinking to myself "I already know about throw line but I've got 10 minutes to spare so let's see what he has to say"
I agree with all the points you made also the type of throw line. In some situations the trigger on the Big Shot really shines. Thank you for the video. Also I want to let you know after watching your video on the M/B Saddle I ordered one.I like alot !
Sorry for your loss. Take care, stay safe! Thanks for all the great videos and tips. I used to tie a slip anchor hitch onto the throwbag ring but another arborist friend just does a girth hitch with plenty of tail. Have been trying that and so far no issues with it coming undone. Will have to give that single attachment trick a try when pulling the climb line up. Have been clove hitching on to the line then multiple half hitches all the wait to the tip. I'll have to try the pinch grip on the big shot. I have been been putting my fingers through the loop but strained my hand from a particularly unlucky session of throwline blues.
I’m just getting into arborist techniques and would love to see some of your line ascending methods especially the types with minimal hardware. As where that’s an issue for (me) beginners. 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Great video! I believe you're using your trigger too high on the pole. I use mine about a ft up from the bottom to where you really have to strain to get the pouch to the trigger or almost need 2 people lol, but it could sit there all day and still hit them over 80ft targets shots. I'd do you're self a favor and give it another go. The trigger saves me so much time and stress. Also when I fire mine I am standing up and have the pole aimed like a rifle in front of my face looking up the pole. So there gives you an additional little bit of height its starting from. The down side to having that much loaded power is it will take off like a rocket and over shoot a lot like its 120ft shooters sometimes and goes over the 2 tree behind it 😆. But for the majority of high shots that allows me to take aim with comfort and ease. If it's a target below 80ft I'll use the big shot as normal since the trigger is set low enough on the pole that it doesn't interfere with a traditional shot, and ill hand throw for the 40ft and under shots. Just some of my experiences sir, you do what you like, that's one thing I love about this industry is how everybody has different ways to achieve the same end result but I felt it strong enough to mention cause I'd hate for you to miss out. The trigger really was a night and day difference in accuracy for me once I learned where to set it and how to release it with ease!
Really surprised you guys aren’t using drones to set lines by now as the price of drones have come down significantly. I know it would still be considerably more expensive but when you look at the risk factor and amount of time it could take to set a line and how much it costs to take down a tree of the size that would warrant setting the line with a drone instead of traditional throw line, it seems like it would pay for itself very quickly. Great video! I’m a rock climber with professional rigging background in film/TV but have recently been getting into climbing trees on my property. I’ve been setting lines with slingshots and Kevlar line then doing mainly SRT with base anchors. Love your content.
New to knots and such. Not an arborist. TV antenna guy. Have to use something to get harness rope from one side to the other. Believe this will do the trick. The type of knot is a form of 'figure 8 on a bight'. What's the actual material of the rope? Thanks
@@brendonjohnson6595 - - Do you mean to say that you don't get tangles in your Dyneema throw line? 🤷🏻♂️ I've been climbing for 30 years, using Dyneema for 20...and I still get tangles....(and that's even _with_ some of my older, well broken in lines...).
A lot of throw bags have a thick sewn loop on the bottom and i just attach a accessory biner to a sewn loop on the climbing line. Granny method FTW, very accurate.
Now I just got to ask: where do you get your hoodies? I like the colour and it looks pretty thin. What's the material? Greetz from a german treeguy. Stay safe
Hey great vids.. 👍 wonder if you have any arborist recommendations for East coast eastern PA area. Looking for a climber to trim 4 large sycamores.. thx again
I'm not an arborist but I know you're not supposed to tie knots in dyneema because they slip. You should use splices. But maybe that doesn't matter so much with tree work because you aren't seeing serious forces.
There is no "BEST knot" some like to use a slippery knot that comes undone when pulled hard enough, but I just put large loop at the end of my line with a figure 8 knot and I use that loop to girth hitch throw weights on. Its fast, secure, and makes it easy to take weights on and off.
What type of rope would you suggest to use to pull down “widow makers” and pull while felling trees? Not an everyday arborist but a weekend “keep my kids safe in the woods” guy, so I might as well ask.
2.2 mm Dynaglide is very strong, 1000 lb Plus breaking strength. You would probably be unable to break it pulling by hand, so it would work well to pull free dead wood or small widow makers. If they don't come free you can use that line to pull a beefier one up the tree.
@@Stridertrees what would be consider a beefier one in your opinion? I have ordered “Arborist Bull Rope | High Strength Polyester | Tree Hoist Rigging Line | 1/2 inch x 200 feet” with 1/2" Tensile Strength = 5,875 lbs 1/2" Working Load Limit = 1,175 lbs I also ordered Dynaglide for a throw line thanks to your throw line video.
@@TN-Land-Manager it depends what you’re pulling with. If you’re pulling with a truck you should have a 5/8” or bigger all polyester double braid, if you’re pulling by hand or even with mechanical advantage by hand some 1/2” rope should be fine, but generally you should use low stretch rope so, nothing with Nylon on it, because if you break it less stretch means less risk with the spring-back.
@@Stridertrees I've been contemplating the use of a drone too. It would be great to see a video of you using a drone to drop a throw line in various types of trees. Congrats and condolences too...
We just tied the throwline to the drone and flew it through the union and slowly descended until the slack was on the ground but we been dreaming up a little mechanical method of shooting a small weight out of the drone and may attempt something once we’ve got a bigger drone to work with.
I have one I don’t ever use...if mine had more of a trigger rather than a lever it would be better, but I can aim the big shot more accurately than I can with having to push the release lever on the cannon
@Strider Trees I know all too well, but never use one myself. They definitely help for setting a line straight up under the canopy, but I always overshoot the target. I always tease other climbers that shoot under 80'. Line launchers are great for high shots. Anything within 80' is a hand toss for me, and the big shot doesn't get too far beyond that.
I have several white pines that are dead and really tall, they don’t have horizontal branches to easily throw a rope around. I need to rig them up so I can control the fall direction and/or winch them if they get hung up on other trees next to them. How do I get a rope around the vertical part of the tree with out climbing?
GREAT VIDEO... I do almost everything you showed there.. And actually learned something about the pile hitch, though I usually just feed the climbing line through the ring of the throw bag and tie an overhand knot. When that doesn't work I'll definitely try it your way. Solid practical information. great presentation and no time wasted. I just wish I had made this video first.
Thanks! I’ve seen guys leave the throwbag on the line and they say it can help to jump the rope through the unions. They must be doing something I can’t see because I just tend to get things stuck when I leave the bag on 😅
@@Stridertrees I've had success w leaving the bag on but I will try girth hitching further down the line than I usually do. I think that will work well
@@Stridertrees i do that only when theres a loop for hooking a acc. biner to the bottom of the throwbag and then to your eye splice of the rope. the momentum created can fling itself over the crotch. its convenient, but your way might be better lol ill try it
One thing great about many of the comments here, is that they are all from experienced guys. It shows me that you all have one thing in common, great teachers are also great learners.
Keep on keeping on guys.
Been climbing for 15 years. And I love how this guy explains things it’s not this is how i do it, It’s this is how it works for me and why. that’s helpful when teaching this is a great channel
100 %
Well explained Bro. My condolences to you and your wife for your lose. My congratulations for the additions to the fam. Keep up the well produced vids.
Thanks, it’s been a wild couple of months...
Love the idea of using a girth hitch on the throw bag
The 5 gallon bucket works great for my throw line, weights and helmet and I have been using a bowline for the throw line for years. Never thought to use girth hitch. Much quicker and easier. Thanks 👍
Trying to learn to recover my drone. Best tutorial so far!
Nice job as ALWAYS.
I'm sorry that you lost your father-in-law. Condolences to the family. On a high note congratulations for the additions.
Thanks for another great video. I always seem to find something to think about when I see your videos.
I appreciate that you are always willing to help new climbers with practical solutions.
Another great video and I learn so much from your videos. Glad you are back and sorry to hear the sad news about your Father In Law.
Great vid, I came here to get a basic understanding on throwline(s) and its use, mission accomplished.
Always learning. I'm gonna try your line attachment technique instead of my half hitches. I'm familiar with those problems you describe. Thanks!
Very helpful! I need this knowledge for putting-up my radio antennas; You're right-to-the-point with no needless info. Thanks much.
I tried 2 other throwlines. 1st line was blue & knotted up easily & had problems coming through tight crotches. The red line I had was very light & threw nice. However I found it was not ideal in many crotches. It seemed like it would cut into the crotch on 1 side leaving your ball right near the crotch. That is my backup line now but I don't like to use it cuz it leaves a red residue on your fingers. The chartreuse dynaglide has had no problems & works great with a 12 & a half oz. Petzyl throwball. I have very few problems & enjoy using it. I've progressed to hitting an ideal crotch or union on the tree that isn't my destination but gets me in the tree. I climb with a double rope system that is open & I just keep tieing into a tree with alot of unions & advancing myself up as I go. Having a nice Silky saw makes this process more enjoyable. I've found that being on the ground throwing is counter productive & was I hit that 1st union advancing is usually just 1 throw away & over a nearby crotch. Some trees don't allow u to be on the right side of the tree but once u r up there u can get to the right side w/o wasting time. Thanks for the tips on attaching to the climbing rope. I tried alot of methods & I don't consider the clove hitch even an option after I already have a pile on it. I like to put it above the termination side where I have a factory sewn loop since I have a split-tail with a Blake's on it. Tieing the tail end of the split-tail to prusik above my sewn loop end helps me to climb quickly with no delays.
Sorry for your loss. My condolences to you and your family. Congratulations on your new arrival. Thanks for your informative video!
Great info! I definitely learned several new things. Your method of tying the weight and rope to the throw line was a game changer! Thanks a bunch!
Thanks for the figure 8 and girth hitch advice - I feel a bit arrogant for thinking to myself "I already know about throw line but I've got 10 minutes to spare so let's see what he has to say"
Sorry for your family’s loss, congrats about your new arrivals
Great instructional video, as always. Very clear and concise. Love wrestling - I'm in the Dan Gable state (IA).
I agree with all the points you made
also the type of throw line. In some situations the trigger on the Big Shot
really shines. Thank you for the video. Also I want to let you know after watching your video on the M/B Saddle I ordered one.I like alot !
Great ,simple video.you explain everything so well
Sorry for your loss. Take care, stay safe! Thanks for all the great videos and tips. I used to tie a slip anchor hitch onto the throwbag ring but another arborist friend just does a girth hitch with plenty of tail. Have been trying that and so far no issues with it coming undone. Will have to give that single attachment trick a try when pulling the climb line up. Have been clove hitching on to the line then multiple half hitches all the wait to the tip. I'll have to try the pinch grip on the big shot. I have been been putting my fingers through the loop but strained my hand from a particularly unlucky session of throwline blues.
Fantastic. Thanks!
Great video I set my throwline to my climbing line the same. By far the most simple way to do it. Great work.
Always informative informative sorry for your loss stay safe
Great video brother!
Sorry for your loss! Congrats on the littel one!
I’m just getting into arborist techniques and would love to see some of your line ascending methods especially the types with minimal hardware. As where that’s an issue for (me) beginners. 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Great video! I believe you're using your trigger too high on the pole. I use mine about a ft up from the bottom to where you really have to strain to get the pouch to the trigger or almost need 2 people lol, but it could sit there all day and still hit them over 80ft targets shots. I'd do you're self a favor and give it another go. The trigger saves me so much time and stress. Also when I fire mine I am standing up and have the pole aimed like a rifle in front of my face looking up the pole. So there gives you an additional little bit of height its starting from. The down side to having that much loaded power is it will take off like a rocket and over shoot a lot like its 120ft shooters sometimes and goes over the 2 tree behind it 😆. But for the majority of high shots that allows me to take aim with comfort and ease. If it's a target below 80ft I'll use the big shot as normal since the trigger is set low enough on the pole that it doesn't interfere with a traditional shot, and ill hand throw for the 40ft and under shots. Just some of my experiences sir, you do what you like, that's one thing I love about this industry is how everybody has different ways to achieve the same end result but I felt it strong enough to mention cause I'd hate for you to miss out. The trigger really was a night and day difference in accuracy for me once I learned where to set it and how to release it with ease!
Really surprised you guys aren’t using drones to set lines by now as the price of drones have come down significantly. I know it would still be considerably more expensive but when you look at the risk factor and amount of time it could take to set a line and how much it costs to take down a tree of the size that would warrant setting the line with a drone instead of traditional throw line, it seems like it would pay for itself very quickly. Great video! I’m a rock climber with professional rigging background in film/TV but have recently been getting into climbing trees on my property. I’ve been setting lines with slingshots and Kevlar line then doing mainly SRT with base anchors. Love your content.
New to knots and such. Not an arborist. TV antenna guy. Have to use something to get harness rope from one side to the other. Believe this will do the trick.
The type of knot is a form of 'figure 8 on a bight'.
What's the actual material of the rope? Thanks
The rope material is UHMWPE commonly known as Dyneema this line is called Dynaglide
Thanks. Great learned experience and tips.
great video thank you!
ive been struggling with tangles too, but ill try dyneema next time!
I switched to dynema, never looked back.
@@brendonjohnson6595 - - Do you mean to say that you don't get tangles in your Dyneema throw line? 🤷🏻♂️ I've been climbing for 30 years, using Dyneema for 20...and I still get tangles....(and that's even _with_ some of my older, well broken in lines...).
You have 2 different babies in same year. You the man lol
Sorry bout your loss brother
Great advice, thanks for your knowledge!
Thanks for the help, you're awesome man
I just want that hoodie
I believe that's called a figure 8 on a bight. Girth hitching is definitely the way to go, especially if you have an eye splice.
Bad day for you, and the power line and whoever standing near you, and your mom and lots of other people. BAAAAD TIME!
Well... It convinced me! 😅
love your style bro!
Baseball style throws do work but I’ve been burned by the rope before because the line is rushing by your hand very closely and quickly
Awesome Video! While shooting with a Big shot..I've heard Use a lighter weight throw bag..10 to 12 oz..is this an Accurate Assumption? Thanx
Great video!
I lol'd when you said, "... and your mom"
i splice both end never get stuck and its just cool.
What kind of range did your old side-kick with the baseball arm have on his throwing?
Love the video!
Cheers from Vermont!
Love to hear that you are a wrestler.
Awesome 👊
also my condolences... and congrats for the new little one :)
What is the highest you can use a throw line ? 50, 60 or more feet ?
and what about the max height with sling shot?
Big!!
A lot of throw bags have a thick sewn loop on the bottom and i just attach a accessory biner to a sewn loop on the climbing line. Granny method FTW, very accurate.
I feel stupid doing it but boy does it work!
He'll yeah
You DO NOT need a fancy expensive throw line!!! But a 250’ mason line from Home Depot for $6
Have fun with that.
If you are doing tree work and you can't afford 30 for a throw line...
Now I just got to ask: where do you get your hoodies? I like the colour and it looks pretty thin. What's the material?
Greetz from a german treeguy. Stay safe
Hey great vids.. 👍 wonder if you have any arborist recommendations for East coast eastern PA area. Looking for a climber to trim 4 large sycamores.. thx again
Thoughts on Petzl Airline Dyneema throw line ( easier to get where I live ) ?
Also how much weight do you suggest ?
How thick is the yellow string ?
I'm not an arborist but I know you're not supposed to tie knots in dyneema because they slip. You should use splices. But maybe that doesn't matter so much with tree work because you aren't seeing serious forces.
I think throw lines are used to move powerlines out of the way in line clearance. Also, I've thrown a line over a powerline and nothing happened
Any know the best knot to tie to the throw bag?
There is no "BEST knot" some like to use a slippery knot that comes undone when pulled hard enough, but I just put large loop at the end of my line with a figure 8 knot and I use that loop to girth hitch throw weights on. Its fast, secure, and makes it easy to take weights on and off.
The big shot, never knew those tools existed. Well, aside from this other tool I once knew who thought he was a big shot. But that's unrelated.
That knot is a figure 8 on a bight
What type of rope would you suggest to use to pull down “widow makers” and pull while felling trees?
Not an everyday arborist but a weekend “keep my kids safe in the woods” guy, so I might as well ask.
2.2 mm Dynaglide is very strong, 1000 lb Plus breaking strength. You would probably be unable to break it pulling by hand, so it would work well to pull free dead wood or small widow makers. If they don't come free you can use that line to pull a beefier one up the tree.
@@Stridertrees what would be consider a beefier one in your opinion?
I have ordered “Arborist Bull Rope | High Strength Polyester | Tree Hoist Rigging Line | 1/2 inch x 200 feet” with 1/2" Tensile Strength = 5,875 lbs
1/2" Working Load Limit = 1,175 lbs
I also ordered Dynaglide for a throw line thanks to your throw line video.
@@TN-Land-Manager it depends what you’re pulling with. If you’re pulling with a truck you should have a 5/8” or bigger all polyester double braid, if you’re pulling by hand or even with mechanical advantage by hand some 1/2” rope should be fine, but generally you should use low stretch rope so, nothing with Nylon on it, because if you break it less stretch means less risk with the spring-back.
Dumb question but which throw weight are you using?
Where do you buy the throw line and shot bag?
Thank ya sir, may try the girth hitch👍. Sorry for your loss, and congrats on the new baby!
How about using a drone to carry the line where you want?
Funny you should ask ;) we did that a couple days ago and it worked out!
@@Stridertrees I've been contemplating the use of a drone too. It would be great to see a video of you using a drone to drop a throw line in various types of trees. Congrats and condolences too...
Would be interesting to see for sure! How do you release the throw weight from the drone?
We just tied the throwline to the drone and flew it through the union and slowly descended until the slack was on the ground but we been dreaming up a little mechanical method of shooting a small weight out of the drone and may attempt something once we’ve got a bigger drone to work with.
Cool! How did you avoid the issue of having the line tangle in the rotors when descending?
Girth hitch it is going on end of all my throws 😁😁😁
Its better than zing it?
Heyy i was a wrestler as well
More babieis?
Air cannon is where it’s at
I have one I don’t ever use...if mine had more of a trigger rather than a lever it would be better, but I can aim the big shot more accurately than I can with having to push the release lever on the cannon
Munchins!
What's a big shot?
It's a big slingshot that is used to shoot a throw-weight connected to this lightweight line up into a tree.
@Strider Trees I know all too well, but never use one myself. They definitely help for setting a line straight up under the canopy, but I always overshoot the target. I always tease other climbers that shoot under 80'. Line launchers are great for high shots. Anything within 80' is a hand toss for me, and the big shot doesn't get too far beyond that.
Where can I buy this line?
I think I put a link In the description if not I’ll do that right now !
And... power lines are visible in the background 😵
Shouldnt be using any throwline near powerlines
Sounds like your going to be losing a lot of sleep lol
This was excellent! A lot of knowledge imparted in just a few minutes. Thanks so much!
I have several white pines that are dead and really tall, they don’t have horizontal branches to easily throw a rope around. I need to rig them up so I can control the fall direction and/or winch them if they get hung up on other trees next to them. How do I get a rope around the vertical part of the tree with out climbing?
It’s a big tricky, but can be done. It’s terribly difficult to describe in text however !
Did you get them down.
Where are you located.