Why Do Mustangs Crash?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 เม.ย. 2022
- I try to answer the age old question, why do Mustangs crash so often? It’s a running joke in the car community but who’s fault is it, the driver or the car? I give my take on the mater, but in the meantime, see my ScatPack Challenger Review here: • 2021 Dodge Challenger ...
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Would like to hear some objective thoughts on the matter from real humans. I don’t want to hear daft comments like “you can crash any car” because you know what I mean.
Maybe 5k to get the suspension right.
Yea true, individual I talked to also did bushings, tire and wheel which was probably the bulk of the cost and sway bars
@@MeynMotorGroup dont forget the pp1 and pp2. They have good suspensions
@@MeynMotorGroup hopefully you find a gt350 to review soon. Lookin forward to it
@@unfairsanic5089 he did review the pp2 already. Check it out, as good as it is..But its no shelby.
Mustangs are great cars. The problem is it’s so affordable, so a lot of inexperienced drivers doesn’t understand that 460hp, and RWD is not the same as a FWD Corolla.
Of course they’re great they’ve got plenty of potential and a full aftermarket army available to exploit that potential.
But I’m not a very experienced driver either and that’s the point, the rivals are just as affordable, RWD with the same power but just not as prone to crashing since most people can tell what’s going on.
Mustang just bites and is unforgiving you have grip than the next second it’s gone with no warning
@@MeynMotorGroup good points, but I really don’t believe it’s the Mustang that’s the problem, the Mustang’s handling has always been praised by the professionals, the Camaro is great handling as well, but the Challenger/Charger twins are the sloppy handlers of the bunch.
Yea my friend “the professionals” are the biggest problem they drive all of these cars and are supposed to have all this experience yet their conclusions are so often worthless or wrong.
All of these experts rant and rave about how amazing the new C8 is and it’s one of the most Boring cars I’ve driven.
There’s only a handful of people in this industry I genuinely trust SavageGeese and like Chris Harris who just does insane super cars since he’s on top gear
@@MeynMotorGroup agreed 100%
Great cars??
So are you ok with adding oil every 1,000 miles or so on that modern 5.0 from brand new??
Is that acceptable to you guys??
NO modern car should EVER require adding oil before an oil change when new
That's a clear sign of poor engine design.
Even Scotty Kilmer basically says the same thing.
I dont drive my GT that hard. I just enjoy the sound of the engine and exhaust note
It’s a great daily V8 is super enjoyable
Same!
Agreed, love that sound when the convertible top is down. Plus, I'm a cruiser not a racer.
As someone who owns a towing company with police rotations, the charger/challengers are much worse. We winch at least 4 or 5 a month out of ditches or wrapped around telephone poles.
That’s just sad you can’t make a RWD car drive easier than those 2
The fact you see so many wrecked mustangs and hellcats can also be attributed to the popularity of the vehicles. There are tens of thousands of these cars on the road. I’ve seen a few wrecked supercars as well, however there are far fewer of them on the road.
I know what you mean challengers and chargers have sold extremely well probably out sold Mustang for the modern era since Dodge has 2 models there.
But I guess when we really take numbers into account a Prius or something like that will end up being the most accident prone car.
Actually I think Scion FRS is one of the most accident prone cars
Mustangs always have been tail happy, I haven’t driven those newer ones but I used to have a 1981 Mustang that I drove extremely aggressively, often at over 100 mph, never had a problem I always found the handling very predictable, but it was also extremely easy to kick the tail out on. I think some people just don’t know when to back out of it!
Yea I’m alright with tail happy it’s just I wanted the proper communication to bring that tail back and the car isn’t giving it to me 😅 it just bites with no warning unlike it’s rivals that being said, now I want to try an 81!
@@MeynMotorGroup I would love to see you review some classics!
I want to my friend I just can never find them. Actually I pretty much have no dealership contacts anymore
That’s the problem, people get the backend out then panic and they let off the throttle and the car swings around. You don’t ever wanna let off that gas, don’t over correct and stay on the gas!!
@@adamhayden5152 Sounds like you’re using the same logic as the Mustang owners that plow into crowds.🤣
I've seen the samething with Vipers. It seems like there takes a little bit of skill to drive certain sports cars that have a ton of HP coming from the rear wheels only.
Always wanted to drive a Viper but rare car so never got the chance. I agree RWD cars require more thought than other eco boxes but I’m not an amazing driver and I’ve been able to successfully drive some high hp stuff hard, mainly the Shelby GT500. It’s just set up properly and I know what the car is doing. The regular Mustang I just have no idea what the front end or rear end is doing
@@MeynMotorGroup Right I completely understand
@@Snk13_ty ive seen corvettes too as well
@@unfairsanic5089 I believe it
@@MeynMotorGroup what do you think about challengers? Especially the scat packs, mine came with 245 tires and this things loves to spin and hard to get a grip
unexperienced drivers don’t know what all that torque and power really feels like so they crash
That still does not account for the fact that you cannot feel what the car is doing. It's part of the issue, but the car is still a big part of the problem.
I had a Mustang for 6 years. One problem is it's handling at/near the limit. Grip then no grip like a light switch. Other cars have more of a warning you can feel. The other problem is Mustang guys are a bunch of A-holes who love doing dangerous stuff and showing off. I'm a part of the problem but im working on it.
Yea my friend you described that well there is def grip but when the grip goes away there’s no warning.
Yea I def don’t condone doing dumb things around people or traffic and purposefully go out when I know there’s nobody on the road
@@MeynMotorGroup I’m older now. No more hot rods. 19 RCF now all aids on.
RC F and the rest of the Lexus sport lineups are fantastic and criminally underrated. Congrats my friend enjoy
@@MeynMotorGroup Comparing it to a Lexus sports car is not comparing like for like! The Lexus here in the UK is over 20k to 30k more for the RC F model compared to the basic Mustang GT, now if you put all that extra cost into a mustang you end up with the Shelby GT350 or GT500 so please compare like for like !
@@lancslad1954 The RC F is WAY more restricted than the Mustang GT regardless of price. It doesn't allow the same level of shenanigans at all. The Mustang is way more exciting. RC F more luxury.
High horsepower, real wheel drive, relatively affordable which brings in potentially younger or less experienced drivers
In the States at least the middle age people drive as bad if not worse than the teenagers.
The amount of people that pay 10s of thousands of dollars to go to a racing school is definitely less than 1% so everyone’s driving sucks.
That was kinda my whole point in all of this, I’m no racing driver either yet I have the utmost confidence in going sideways in a Challenger or Camaro which all costs about the same with about the same power
@@MeynMotorGroup lol agreed there are tons of shit older drivers
Thats the real issue- and there are way more Mustangs on the road. The OP post me when he said Challengers handle better than a GT Mustang. Not a chance. Experience
This is such a great quality video I am so amazed! So much information and great editing! Much different from when I seen your 2004 TSX video and bought one haha. Still rocking it too this day
TSX is a great car still love it and is so underrated in the used market well done my friend. And thank you for your support over the years I’m truly humbled!
@@MeynMotorGroup realizing I don't think you made a 2004 TSX video either way both Gens are great, but the cl9 is better looking imp haha
You make good points. I own a 2017 speed Gt I supercharged making well over 700hp. Had to get a proper tire and wheel set up stronger clutch and suspension upgrades. With the proper mods it talks back to you easy to handle and grips the road. Never feel out of control. The factory set up is horrible if you don't know what your doing.
Yea with the proper mods that many people commonly do to their mustangs as seen on some of the Mustang Forums, it becomes a phenomenal car.
And yea it really can handle power with all the mods, I mean the Shelby GT500 is a perfect example basically just modded from the factory to be great and it is an incredible track weapon.
I think it’s cool you have to mod the Mustang most people like doing that anyways with these sorts of cars but you can really see the car transform with each installation and I think that’s satisfying to experience
@@brucevernon1970 did you mean to reply to me? Lmao
I was watching a savagegeese livestream and they mentioned you in a conversation about and complimented your work ethic and video quality. You two are my favorite automotive review channels so I just thought I'd share that!
Thank you Dylan for sharing that humbled to hear that especially from one of the few automotive channels I truly respect in this industry.
Both Mark and Jack are amazing at what they do and something that is overlooked is just how kind they are. As incredible as they are at making car reviews, they are equally incredible people.
I appreciate you stopping by to share this my friend.
@@MeynMotorGroup No problem! I look forward to the future of your channel and your content.
I think “provoked by the terrain” is spot on! I rented a PP1 for a few days and it seemed to be all over the road when going over imperfections. Test drove a Mach 1 hoping it would be better and imo it was worse. I had a scat pack w/ dynamics pack for 3 years and it had no issues driving around. The Camaro is the easiest to drive by far and I will just have to wait for one. If you just want power the Mustang “feels” the fastest- and it sounds the best! Also the 10sp has no idea what’s going on but it makes it pretty darn fun to drive.
Wow yea pretty much the exact thoughts as me, but wow I’m so disappointed to hear the Mach 1 didn’t deliver!
That’s really a bummer I had high hopes for that car.
Something else I would like to try is a Saleen White Label, because I’m with you I love the sound of the Coyote V8.
Thank you again Adrian for stopping by and sharing
That’s because the alpha platform is seriously amazing and under rated.
love your content and you are the reason why the lc500 is my dream car. keep up the content n love from singapore
Thank you my friend, yea LC is by far my most favorite modern day car drives so proper on the streets
lol @ the title
I drove the 2018 Mustang GT with the refreshed 460HP 5.0L and floored it and was very impressed.
For the street it's borderline overkill unless you're going to the drag strip. Amazed at the performance you get for the price.
I used to have a fully built LS1 Trans Am making around the same HP but the Mustang actually felt faster because of the 10-speed transmission.
Apparently they lowered the HP down to 450HP this year for emissions reasons.
5.0l Coyote is the best motor out of the trio. Easily the most character. Suspension is the only downfall for me. Mach 1 might be perfect since it uses many Shelby parts
Your videos are really good to watch. I ordered an Ecoboost Mustang and cant wait to have it for my daily drives. Would love to see your video about that.
It’s coming soon my friend yea it’s a great daily for sure so comfortable and full of character with excellent real world fuel economy.
Great video, very thoughtful and well done 👍
Short answer: Mustangs get wrecked because their owners can't handle the power.
Long answer: Any rear wheel drive car with a decent amount of HP requires a bit of skill to launch properly. Even doing a rolling launch requires some skill. Mustangs are crashed more frequently because THERE ARE A LOT MORE MUSTANGS IN CIRCULATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE. Mustangs have been in production since 1964, and have been made EVERY YEAR since. Challengers, Chargers, and Camaros have had long periods of time where they weren't being manufactured, meaning there aren't quite as many to crash, and they do in fact get wrecked often. All for the same reason: high performance car, low performance driver.
Most unskilled drivers also don't know how to react when they start to lose control. They either panic and slam on their brakes, or gun it hoping they'll straighten out.
Protip: when you start to lose control, TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE GAS AND STEER. DO NOT JERK THE STEERING WHEEL. Cutting off the power can prevent you from losing control. That's how "traction control" works. Except taking your foot off the gas cuts off 90% of the power. Traction control cuts much less than that.
I def agree with you and you made some excellent points. I still maintain rivals out of the box at least offer a better grasp of what the rear end is doing to correct it. But like you mentioned, if you’re completely oblivious to those warning signs and crash anyways then there’s no help.
Also Challenger has its Charger twin so they def sold a lot of units since 08 nearly 6 figures a year each in certain years
That pro-tip is a life saver right there. It has saved my ass on aggressive turns many of times. When the tail steps out on the street it is so discomforting. But like you said letting off the throttle puts your right back in control. It should be in the first page if the driver manual.
@@jaymarcase9737 Letting off and regaining control, but losing the race, is infinitely better than crashing.
@@MeynMotorGroup Challengers/Chargers are also a lot more expensive than Mustangs. Even V6 Challenger/Chargers have gone up quite a bit in price. Mustangs can be had less than $10K, and there are a lot to choose from. Dodges are also a bit heavier, so that could also be a reason they wreck less often, but it still happens.
@@TheTriviumhead every single day and much mire cost effective.
my 04 mustang dosent have any of the crowd stang problems, the closest ive had is doing a power slide and the rear end getting more traction at the apes then expected and it just digs down and keeps traction.
Solid video man. I just ordered one, and I have never had a car with that much power aside from an old 85 C10. The most I do is get a little crazy on turns on the highway when there's no cars with my Civic because I've had it five years and know exactly how it behaves. I of course want to have fun with the Mustang but the more I watch videos like yours, the more I want to just take it slow and get a feel for it before I start behaving like I do in my Civic.
Massive congrats my friend, I’m sure you will have a lot of fun with it
I still have a feeling that going from a front wheel drive vehicle to rear end drive is a learning experience. Take it slow and get the hang of her 😊
Interesting perspective, my friend. I enjoy your videos where you share your thoughts as it takes courage (& conviction) to express one's self. Most people don't have the balls like you do Kevin. Peace,
Ravi Peiris M.D.
Thank you my friend!
I own my GT350 since I bought it new in 2017 and never had any issue. Most do not blow up. As for the driving performance of the “normal” Mustangs I agree to a degree but I don’t think the Challenger is better.
Well done my friend, is your GT350 primarily street driven? They typically have issues with track driving from what I’ve heard.
Challenger handling I’m referring to is on a street you always know what the car is doing at least. I’m sure you will notice the Challenger’s deficiency’s out on an auto cross event but for the street it’s pretty well optimized but that’s just my take
@@MeynMotorGroup You are right it’s primarily street driven. When I did the Ford racing school in their cars they were on the track all day and seemed fine. Nobody would say if some have failed or not.
Yea that’s always fun love how Ford does that for the Ford performance buyers.
You bought it brand new with a factory warranty so you have nothing to worry about enjoy the epic car my friend I hope to do a vid on one soon
Challenger is an all around better car
@@MeynMotorGroup bud a gt350 would smoke anything in the challenger line or charger line on just about any track. So Maybe get into a real mustang instead of Reviewing 2.3l and comparing it GTs and Shelby's. Like honestly you sound very stupid. I love me a hellcat, but dam you legit generalize to much especially while in a 2.3..... the chassis are same but the feel, Driving experience, handling (weight split)in a GT is much better. That's what that chassis was created for. Please actually immerse yourself and understand cars before making yourself look like unintelligible teenager.
I have the exact opposite experience with my 2022 Mach 1. This is one of the best handling cars I have ever driven, and the best I've owned. Recently surpassing 6k miles (half of that has been on track at Mid Ohio) I couldn't be happier with my Mach. Before purchasing the Mach 1 I rented from the Hertz adrenaline collection The Mustang GT, Camaro SS and Challenger R/T each for a week. The Mustang came out on top, the Camaro second and the Challenger 3rd. I was the least impressed with the Challenger for lack of power and handling. While I love the look of the Challenger is seemed to be lipstick on a pig. Recently I had the opportunity to drive another rental Mustang GT, and compared to the Mach 1 which I've been driving for about a year now that rental and its skinny tires seemed pretty sketchy. Just tires alone can make a major difference. What ever the rental GT had for tires was barely enough and if you tried to toss it around a bit you had better stay on top of it. For the Mach I have 2 sets of HP wheels, one set of Michelin Sport 4s and the other set had Cup 2's. The Sport 4s are great and work well as a dual purpose street/track tire, but the Cup 2's are on another level. The feel of the Michelin Cup 2 tires is amazing and really connects the car to the road like no other tire I've owned or tested. Now that the Cup 2's have been used up from about 8 hours of aggressive track use I have replaced them with Falken RT660's for autocross. The Falkens don't have the amazing feel of the Cup 2's, they feel more like the Sport 4s, but they will heat up faster for autocross and should grip better than the 4s. All the tires I am talking about are on Mach 1 HP wheels (staggered setup 19x10.5 front and 19x11 rears) Tire sizes for the Michelin Sport Cup 2, Michelin Sports 4s, and Falken Advan RT660 are 305/30/19 front and 315/30/19 rear on those HP wheels. If you have any doubts check out the videos of me on Track at Mid Ohio on my channel. I can see how an inexperienced driver can quickly get into trouble with a moderate amount of horsepower and shitty tires regardless of the platform driven.
I just bought a 2014 V6 3.5L... as someone who has raced, I'd make the guess it's the rear wheel drive, and people can't handle the power coming from the back end. They chirp real quick as soon as you take off and if you don't know how to handle that, you're direction goes right where the car wants to go.
Oh and the loose steering. Mine is in sport mode and still too loose for how most sport cars drive. I've found stiffer steering helps keep you in control. I'm going to have to mod mine bc it's terrible.
I’ve owned 5 mustangs including a 2013 GT 5.0 6 speed manual transmission and my current 2018 GT. 5.0 6 speed manual transmission. My 2016 ecoboost 2.3 Mustang was modded to make over 340 rear wheel horsepower and over 400 pd. Ft. Torque. I like to drive in triple digit speed and none of them have ever lost control. I learned to drive in a WW11 military Jeep with manual transmission and a small farm tractor when I was 13.
I currently own a 2018 GT Premium PP1 with the MT80 Previously owned a 2015 GT Premium. I’ll admit they can get a little squirrelly if you really get on it. Especially if the pavement is a little damp. Lol It’s kinda what I like about them though. If an inexperienced driver that isn’t used to that kind of HP, I could see how it could get away from them. I grew up driving muscle cars in the 70’s so I’m used to the ass end busting loose. Lol
This is all simple engineering physics. 1) They defeat the traction on rough pavement when they install stuff like stop the hop kits and tighter sway bars 2) They defeat traction on wet or rough pavement by turning off TC and ASC 3) They defeat traction on wet or rough pavement by over accelerating on cold summer extreme tires. 4) They defeat traction on wet or rough pavement by over accelerating on cheap ass stock or old tires. 5) When they do get out of alignment, they defeat the system by continuing to accelerate. 6) When they do get out of alignment, they defeat the system by over correcting back and forth. 7) Upon completing check list 1 - 6, they say "fck it" and go full send to the floor. Signed owner of 10 mustangs including a GT 500 with 3.73s and a full Steeda packaged model (everything on their #20 race car except the super charger).... 8) After completing steps 1-7 everyone asks: "Why did that happen"? Mustangs have a larger aftermarket than either a scat pack or a Camaro (though they both are good) and the aftermarket plus lack of skill adds to the problems. Don't take my word for how after market suspension mods make a car have LESS traction on real streets... go over and watch Jason on Engineering Explained channel. He has a video on just about every suspension mod there is). These mods help on a smooth prepped track with proper sticky tires...they make the car worse on rough or wet pavement with regular summer or high performance all seasons). Magna ride and or the Steeda adjustable shocks still don't overcome the issues though they may give you a SLIGHTLY more agile suspension on rough pavement at the soft settings..it isn't much. Also my GT 500 with 3.73s and the and the OEM super sports tires + Roush pulley/tune and exhaust was WAY WAY WAY worse than any of my GTs. (It was an 11 rated at around 620hp/620tq w mods.). Lots of disagreement here, though I do agree the Mach 1 is a peach. FWIW (for context), in addition to having owned about 10 mustangs I have also owned the Lexus RCF, a 17 corvette stingray, Audi S7, 370z Sport tech, Rx8, and more (no Camaros of Challengers though). Yes a corvette, 370Z and Audi S class etc all models handle better than mustangs. But it isn't some giant deficit, it is merely an incremental deficit that one can easily deal with by utilizing just a modicum of both self control and common sense when behind the wheel. I have no doubt that a Z28 or an SS 1LE probably out handle a standard mustang, but don't forget the PP2 mustangs that counter those. The RCF with TVS was handful in sport mode though (in a good way)...and the GT500 was a car that wanted you spun around backwards at every moment you were behind the wheel (and even it wasn't hard to handle with both wheels smoking if you knew what you were doing) The 11 GT500 SVT's 1st gear was WAY TOO SHORT for its tq and its OEM tires never seemed to be hot enough to grip but its ACS performed beautifully to never let you get more than about 10 degrees off center even with smoking the tires so much you cant see the car right behind you..... If you want to do some hoonin on city streets...the OEM suspension in its softer settings will s pend more time actually ON the pavement (rather than bouncing up in the air because it so hard and non-pliable). On my 21 I just run it stock, no magna ride but I did get the OEM 265x20 wheels. I am fully confident in its ability to do a proper burnout or turn a short drift...with the TC and ASC on and a driver paying attention..... You just have to let off of it a bit earlier than your "2 fast 2 furious" training tells you and if she starts to surprise you all that is needed is to release the throttle, counter steer very mildly but don't over correct and let it come back in line by itself (and it will 99.9% of the time without any drama). If needed don't slam the brakes but you can gently rest your foot on some light application as well. The one place a mustang will get you is in a deep water hydroplane situation if you are running really wide tires that don't have great channels...though that issue isn't unique to just mustangs either (The RX8s and corvettes are so light they are practically death traps in deep water...and ive no doubt the heavy challenger is the better rain car).
By the way....cars like the 370z and BRZ, STI (RIP) and miatia are what I recommend to novices.... (and my sons) even the SC John Works Mini and GTI etc. Those are cars that handle, are fun to drive and that won't be easy to wreck if you just mindless go full send....in fact, being able to go full send every day without having to use self control to driver mod into the vehicles limitations IS legit fun and less stressful....though you always be looking at pony and muscle car tail lights....it's Hella fun.
You pretty much nailed the answer to that question 100percent
Ive been a Camaro owner and last year I decided to try the Mustang. I felt in love with the sound and the fact that is a happy tail car. Neither of my 2 gen 6 Camaros engine sound is close to the Mustang. And yes you need to pay attention every time with the Mustang because that rear end have a mind of their own but I love it.
Yup love how the Camaro drives but the sound of the Mustang is other worldly congrats on your new ride my friend
Agreed. I'm a GM guy since birth but for the pony car segment... there is no argument the Mustang has been slaying the Camaro since 2005.
My thoughts exactly
I have an s197 not an s550. The main reason is the stock front suspension is too soft, with slightly stiffer front suspension and stiffer bushings you can feel far more confident. You shouldn't have to put 10k in it to make this happen.
I agree and yes you’re right the owner I spoke to included wheel and tire setup which I should have specified suspension stuff should maybe be like $5k
@@MeynMotorGroup sounds about right. I think the main reason they do this is comfort, after modification the front suspension at low speeds is quite a bit more jarring.
@@brionwreede9989 Yeah my GT350 has so much front grip it tries to throw you off the road on bad pavement
It’s really simple. Enough power to loose traction, BUT cheap enough that people that can’t drive get them 🤷🏻♂️
Yea but so are the Camaros and Challengers but the difference is those 2 cars let you know when the rear ended is going so you can correct.
Mustang just bites and is unforgiving no warning at all when the rear goes
@@MeynMotorGroup I can't help but feel like that's not true. It is most obvious when your rear end is gone. I play with my traction all the time on the highway in the rain at 80-90 with no tread on my rears, not that I want to but new tires not in the budget rn haha. The rear end obviously gets loose easier with the mustang, but that doesn't make it less handle able , just got to know your car lol.
So i just have to drive slowly then?
I’ve had a manual and an auto stang (2015 & 2016)… I’ve never crashed my car personally or even come close, but it is one squirrelly car. I think a lot of it comes down to the driver, but there is no denying that a lot of it has to do with the car as well. Also Mustangs are notorious for squatting down in the rear whenever you get on the throttle, and when the spring tension releases on you it sends your back end wherever it sees fit and it can catch you off guard even when you are prepared for it or trying to drift.
Great unbiased video! Another factor, IMO, is the torque power band is so much higher in the rpm range with DOHC vs the camaro and challenger push rod engines that people are revving up to 6 grand, popping the clutch and losing it... I found test driving the stang after 2 challengers and a SS1LE that the Stang was easier to control because of the higher power band. And yes the MACH1 is friggin awesome, ordered a manual MACH1 in 12/2021, shipped and now waiting for a truck driver to bring to the dealer. My Elenore 😁
Ah yes I know what you mean that can def be dangerous especially in the old ones with the live rear axle.
Massive congrats my friend on the Mach 1! Such a beautiful car can’t wait for you to get it please let me know how you like it and how it drives!
C’mon guys, had a ‘67 Chevelle 402 doing 12.20s@120 in 1975. Was only running 7.5psi in my wrinkle walls, had an L88 solid lifter cam, an Edelbrock C396 manifold and a Holley 850 center squirter on top so for a big block it was a revving engine. Had muncie rock crusher and Mr Gasket V-Gate shifter. Dumped it off the line @ 7k and shifted @ 7k. Just have to know you’re gonna get crossed up and how to drive it. Have a 2012 MCA, yeah I know its just a 6 banger but my 67 SS only had 325hp stock and it was a blast to drive and so is the MCA but yeah hiperf tires & wheels def help.
Im 59, One of my fathers gifts to me was any time we got good snow coverage we would head to the parking lots and put our cars into skids that were varying in speeds and types. The nice thing about that was I learned how to steer in and out of skids as well as get a feel for the feedback from the car. I own and have owned several high horsepower cars that are not something an inexperienced driver should be driving. Having owned Mustangs I can say that the shorter wheel base and how you have the suspension set up can be big contributors to this problem along with the inexperienced driver. Any inexperienced driver that buys a 400+ HP vehicle should go to a place that is forgiving and do burnouts and then add some steering with the burn outs before you go to the local car show where streets are narrow or crowned.
It is a long car I think it might be the lightest out of the cars and it makes it’s power up top so when you go sideways it is at the top of a car which obviously means it is going a bit faster therefore making that situation possibly overwhelming and that also makes it hard to practice as well
I have a 2002 IS300 and it is a great car to learn RWD on! Its humbled me several times, especially in the snow. The good lord has kept me safe, however. Its a lot of fun!
Lexus makes some great cars, criminally underrated
I've seen so many Mustangs do the same thing, starting back in the 90's models. I've always thought it was because they are so light in the back. One of the police departments where I lived actually sold off all their Mustangs and replaced them with Camaros due to the handling difference. They had a few incidents with the Mustangs losing control and even some rolling over, they had no problems with the Camaro, which was a bit wider than the Mustang. This was even before all of the computer traction control and other gizmos.
I've driven the 90's camaros and Trans AM, they really handle great even for today's standards those are great driver's cars.
A lot of people in the comments have missed the point (probably because they're not watching the vid in the first place) and say Mustangs crash because it's cheap and RWD...
You can buy a LT1 455 HP V8 RWD Camaro for $38k that's cheaper than a Mustang GT & Challenger Scat Pack but nobody brings that up.
Because the Camaro is a proper driving car even an amateur can drive that and not feel intimidated. Many are attempting to shift the blame from the Mustang to the driver but no, it's really a problem with the car.
you're so right the challengers tell you exactly when the tires are spinning from the feel of the seat to the angle of the body its very easy to see exactly when the car is getting out of sorts. mustang on the other hand is spinning and feels like business as usual, no warning until its too late. the weight distribution in a challenger is literally at the center of the car. the mustang weight distribution center is right behind the engine. thats a dramatic difference in weight distribution. maybe lower the mustang or remove the front rake. with a leveling kit or something to make it more predictable or put a few bricks in the trunk lol.
Mostly drivers end up wrecking their Mustang. They usually floor it leaving shows and end up losing control and hitting another vehicles or a barrier.
21 yrs old here, got my 6sp Mustang GT a while back. Never had traction issues with it. Its not the car, its driver fault. ive been driving my Mustang GT hard sometimes and its been fun and never felt like i'd lose traction. If you understand how ur car drives then you can definitely drive it without possibly crashing to something.
I really dont want a 'muscle' car but I wan a sports car which is nimble and agile, but in the same price point. Miata - not my taste, gr86 Subru engine. How would you rate Mustange Ecoboost as a 'sports' car to enjoy ride on curvy roads despite weigt or what will be your recommendation?
not a sports car, Miata and the GR are what you're actually looking for. Or increase budget and get a Porsche.
Good breakdown
Kevin Can you drive the MachE Mustang and compare the handling? I know it has not cylinders but it is the future.
Hey Logan so yea we had a MachE press car in our area but I think it’s gone now, I hope they get it back because it’s a vehicle im very interested in trying
Its a good looking, good stopping car. With that said, I think because its a Mustang GT, many think its a race car, worse yet they think they are capable of driving a car to its limits. The "limits" of a car are seldom found by the driver, more often, the limits of the driver are found by the car. The margin between all good and oh shit is very small, the better the car, the larger the margin. I think the problem becomes in the option and price variation you can't make the GT as good as the Shelby or the upgrade becomes not a smart move. I think only a small percentage of drivers are as good as their cars, even lesser performance cars. A design flaw, perhaps, driver error/inexperience is where I'd place my bet. Great review again.
Yup you described that perfectly much like how another owner mentioned in the comments, it’s got grip then almost like an on off switch, you loose that grip but there’s no warning or sense that it’s happening and that’s the most dangerous thing
I have never felt comfortable in any Mustang. I tend to feel confident fairly quickly, and start to get comfortable with it after a few hundred miles. Own an old, ragged 6.1 6 speed challenger. The steering is NUMB. It weighs 2 tons. But... There is never any doubt what is happening with it once I got used to the size of the thing. Even sloppy worn bushings, it really wakes up once you load it up. People never actually consider them handlers because the numbers, but it doesn't mean they aren't rewarding. They're an early 2000s AMG that you can get with a 6 speed pretty much. Scat Pack and Hellcat were definite steps forward. Comfortable, quiet, capable.
The Camaro is in its own world. The track pack cars are insanely and ridiculously fast on circuit. But... I couldn't daily one, and I think the interior is hilarious. Everytime I think maybe a Mustang, and drive one I end up looking at used Audis and AMGs... I genuinely had more fun in a Coyote powered 2wd rental F150. (Had smallish street tires, reallllyyy makes a difference if you haven't driven one on a road tire)
Now that the F150 is aluminum bodied... And you can get 4wd... It's really a fantastic platform
Would the magnaride make it better handling, safer ? Anyone know
From my experience, unfortunately not the same characteristics I listed here is what I experienced in the GT (actually this is a near $50k eco boost I’m testing so it has the magneride)
However the GT models I tested are from 2019, they’ve made some improvements from what I feel for this 2021 but it’s still not perfect.
Camaro doesn’t have these issues but you will sacrifice space and the engine sound of the mustang
Been driving a manual 2018 mustang gt for a little over a year and feel pretty good driving it
You have to know your limits, and when to back off and learn the car. These people who wreck these don't and are trying to show what they don't know. Love my car and the coyote sounds absolutely amazing!
Amen Brother, my friend Mike has an 07 Mustang with a 4.0L V6 and he (one day) wants to put a custom homemade 6.8L DOHC 40V Triton V10 in it with over 800 HP along with a Tremec T56 Magnum 6-speed in it.
I 100% agree with you.just bought my 2017 GT premium with an mt82 a week ago,it handles great but the steering is so numb and there's no feel or communication at all,and the rear end jostled over bumps similar to how a live axle would witch I thought was wierd Givin it's an IRS🤔 Still very much love the the car tho
Just finding this video. I own a '21 GT with premium pkg. Not once have I had any handle issues. I drive her hard. Infact in the year I have owned her I am on my third trans. Never have I felt uncomfortable on hard pulls or in excess of 145mph regardless of the terrain. Of course, I have owned several big hp rwd cars and know what to expect when I get into the peddle
As a Brazilian, I think it's a cultural thing. The average Mustang owner only knows and wants to go straight fast. That's most American muscle car drivers. They want the power, but most don't learn how to control it.
It’s drivers that haven’t experienced that kinda power before. Guys who think just because they turn laps in forza or GT think they can drive like that in real life when in-fact they can’t!
Lol true but this video also reminded that you can get it modified like in Forza and GTA to handle it extremely but the Shelby have it all already
Never heard of Jann Mardenborough?
Bought a 2021 Ecoboost and was driving on the highway trying to change lanes when I noticed something large on the lane I was changing to. Tried to turn fast to avoid it and the rear of my car almost lost control. I had to swerve twice to get it back under control
Yea this is what I was referring to when I meant road imperfections really effect the Mustang when driving harder or at speeds. Mods genuinely help with this but of course that’s extra money an owner has to pay. Otherwise the ride quality is excellent I think it’s extremely comfortable
@@MeynMotorGroup it's a very comfortable car. But it's my first time driving a rear wheel drive car. I assumed it was that but I guess it's something specific to the Mustang
I wonder if the electric one will be crashing more too?
Ha that would be funny
How does the 2021 feel different from the 2020? They literally didn't change anything suspension wise.
Manufacturers will make changes to their products and not make it public. 2021 C8 feels much better to drive than the 2020. They will make subtle changes but not tell you. Happens with every make
A close friend of mine owned and modified a 2015 mustang GT v8 with a twin turbo kit. He has also owned prior to the Mustang, a VW Coraddo vr6 w/ turbo kit, and Audi A4 1.8t quattro heavily modded; a MB e55 AMG modded to about 800+ HP and now owns an Audi RS3 modded to over a 1200hp. He said the Mustang was by far the worst handling car and was uncontrollable when pressed. It was also the car for him had the shortest period of ownership...
I went from a 95TA to a 2019 Mustang GT so i was fairly impressed with the handling and such out of the box. But i will say I personally enjoy that i can still easily get it to step out when and if i want to. But i can also see/feel how someone can easily get caught out by it and lose control.
Looking forward for you to review the shelby GT350. To see if its really a good upgrade to the regular mustang gt
Yea my friend hope to make the video soon. GT 500 drove great but is a supercharged motor, VooDoo should be amazing
@@MeynMotorGroup yeah as you mentioned that a mustang owner said he spent 10k to get the suspension right. So thats a good review to see if the shelby is worth the money or buy a gt and spend 10k. Looking forward to it.
The problem is there is a lot of problems in the brakes issues when they shut them off they don't turn off and they turn back on
When I was younger I used to race. We had a rally course track out in the country. My car was a ford escort wagon 5speed with diesel motor. That’s when I learned how to drive for real.
You are in the 0.1% of society when it comes to driving my friend almost nobody especially in the United States has had any formal track driving instruction or experience so pretty much everyone sucks at driving
This is not a tough one. (400 hp) + (RWD) + (novice drivers) + (a setting where they want to show off) = lose grip and cannot handle it. I have driven all Mustangs up to the GT500 and what you need is respect of the vehicle. As a motorcycle rider you learn this or you die. When you get on a motorcycle that you are not familiar with, you go slow and build hours over time until you know the bike. Novice drivers need to understand this in a high performance vehicle. I don't want anybody to get hurt, but I have to admit I laugh at anybody that recklessly crashes a car or bike. Darwin doing his work.
Absolutely!!!!
Its quite simple Kevin not all drivers are created equal. Any car can do amazing things in the right hands
Agreed not all drivers are great but that’s the thing with the rivals, you don’t have to be great to enjoy the Camaro and Challenger an amateur like me can throw those cars around. I’m hoping Mach 1 fixes things
So any tips for beginner mustang lover? I mean i dont own a Mustang yet but i would like to plan owing it one day
Depends on your budget, if you can afford to do new suspension upgrades, bushings, sway bars, & tires great. If not, yea I guess just drive slow and don’t floor it mid corner
@@MeynMotorGroup i see, tnx for the good tips
I went from a 240sx sr20det turbo monster to a stock Miata. Found that sheer horsepower wasn't a match vs precise handling and agility.
Miata is such a phenomenal thing to drive
I like the design from the Mustang, thanks Kevin.
Thanks for stopping by my friend I agree the car has great character and presence out on the road
Im Planning to buy a mustang gt 10 speed auto soon once inflation goes down and the first thing that i will do is to have to change the suspension with steeda and get a grippier tyres. Either pp1 or mach one that i want to get
Yup those mods will do you just fine and you will love listening to that motor. Mach 1 is def something to consider most likely won’t have to modify that at all
I always thought the issue was caused by a loose nut between the steering wheel and front seat.
Well that loose but has a much better chance of survival in the competition
My uncle has a 5.0 and haven’t wrecked in two years of his ownership so far. He sends it from time to time but knows how to drive!
I have a 2020 Roush stage 3 750 hp 10 speed. My first mustang 😃
I would say most of the problem is driver and road conditions sand gravel etc I daily mine and do some drag racing I’ve only had one time that I hit lose gravel on one tire while full throttle I backed out and got it back under control
What all these people need to remember is unless u have slicks why not leave advanctrac on it will keep the car strait
The suspensions in the mustangs in my opinion have not been good in a long time. I don't own a newer model but ive heard several people talk about this. I drive an 01 new edge mustang gt, and I have to disagree with you on the coyote being the best sounding V8, modern V8?....I agree but Fords 4.6 L in the 99-04 mustang's just sound like magic to me even though it doesn't have as much power as the newer muscle cars😆. As far as the suspension, It sucks, when launching or accelerating hard it makes me nervous. Most of my cars through the years have been stangs. I know they're short comings but its the flaws I take pride in as well. Definitely one of the first things I recommend upgrading. This was a great video and I agree with most everything you said.
Even though this video is 1 year old. I find it helpful. I told my friend im going to buy a GT 500 shelby Mustang one day. He said" you better not get that or youll slide off the road." So I looked it up and come to surprised me seeing people sliding off the road. I thought Shelby would do the same like the other Mustangs but it dont. Lol even if it did i was gonna learn how to control it without sliding off and eventually get it modified. Im so thankful you made this video
I’m glad this helped my friend, yes the GT500 is incredible
@@MeynMotorGroup Have you tried the Dark Horse Mustang yet?
No sadly not hope I get the opportunity some time this year
Owned a 16 Ecoboost for 5 years and switched to 17 GT, no problem to slide the ecooboost but tried once to slide the GT and found out it's totally different story(spun but not crashed). I will say the GT power comes out super quick and it can surprise you in any second, always remember it is a v8 rwd and be respectful for the power.
Agree with your points as a mustang owner basic thing you can do would be to stiffen the suspension, get some some subframe support and braces you want to eliminate wheel hop as well which is a point I didn’t you make. It allows for better more
Consistent traction which makes the car more predictable. Overall the stiffer you can get the car the more you’ll make up for the steering and the lack of communication. Also if you have a GT without the PP1’or PP2 go online and buy a strut brace to stiffen up the front of the car as well.
Thanks so much for sharing this my friend very valuable. Yes I saw some great products being featured on the Steeda youtube channel to eliminate Wheel Hop
People are just so used to flooring their econ boxes at red lights and turns. RWD + High HP means you have to respect the car. Some people learn the hard way.
Heck even my v6 Honda accord scares me at times
It’s more driver error than the car. I had a 16 GT for 4 years and recently got the 21 GT PP1 a few months ago that’s now 485 whp after some bolt ons and tune. The car drives well you just have to respect the power and not be careless about it. The issue is that the mustang is relatively cheap for the power it comes with so many drivers get one and aren’t used to driving a car that fast.
I can feel my 21 mt82 gt tail moving around in first gear. Steer where you want to go with the front tires. Smooth throttle to control the back. Slowly ease off to stop slipping or rude it out. Stock all season tires have no grip but it helps you practice. No experience with auto. If it shifts at the wrong time mid drift I imagine it can catch you off guard.
While the issues of lack of driving feel are true that's because everyone wants a Cadillac ride. But the same issue exists with cars that do have good feedback.
The problem is paradoxically the driver assists. Traction control, stability management, and abs let people drive faster and more aggressively than they should, or frankly than they have the skill for. It gives people false confidence.
People who "drive hard" in these cars spend that time being reigned in by the assists. Once they exceed the limits of what those systems can save them from the car is utterly unrecoverable.
I have a 2020 GT with the 10 speed, and I love this car. I will say though that if you are doing a full send, 3rd gear has a habit of kicking out. I ran it down the 1/8 mile a couple of times and on one of the runs she got squirrelly in third. When that happens I simply take my foot of the accelerator and slightly counter steer. The problem is when she goes, she goes. Not much warning. I had a 88 GT, and that had a similar issue. When going around a curve on wet roads, coast. My 2020 has come out in a slight curve on wet roads, barely under any acceleration.
I have been driving for 30 years, and this is the highest horsepower car I have owned. I find it very capable, but I leave the traction control on.
I’m a 2019 Mustang Ecoboost owner and I can easily see how you can crash if you don’t respect the car. It was my first RWD car and I took the time to learn the car…what makes the tail step out, what doesn’t and I’ve been safe so far. The provoked by terrain comment is 100% accurate if you hit any imperfections in the road during a turn the car goes haywire.
2018 Ecoboost mustang here, and it gets really bumpy in Missouri. I haven't noticed any problems with steering it though, even during the bumps at any speed under 100. Just keep your wheel steady and tires treaded and you're good. Sometimes I feel like the only person that thinks the mustang handles great, especially for its squirrely rear end. Your goal should be to pop that bitch out lmao it can handle it. Ill admit it can get sketchy sometimes but I never lose confidence in the car and its treated me well.
@@XTheGaimzX I have a convertible FYI so I get cowl shake. So bumps on turns are wild.
Thank you for letting me know because Mustangs are my favorite, and I want one
This is my first mustang I have a 2020 and if you take a corner fast it’s not a problem if you know how to drive through it. The problem is if you have no experience driving a higher powered rear wheel drive you put too much power in, over correct, or don’t correct enough and into a tree or crowd you go!
It’s def the driver. When the rear wheels break loose take your foot off the gas. These idiots try to correct foot on the floor. A lot of mustang owners myself included start doing horsepower upgrades and don’t have the tires to match the performance.
In college I worked for the university in the parking department. There was a mustang with multiple tickets totaling about $300. So the school put a boot on his mustang with a license plate something along the lines of AMCNMSL or American Muscle. This guy threw a fit, and drove off with the boot with rubber burning, metal grinding, and engine screeching. So instead of paying $300 bill he threw a fit and did thousands in damage to his tires, drivetrain and wheels, if not also engine and transmission… I think mustang, although it can be a very nice car, can sometimes draw a specific type of driver. Not all mustang owners would drive off with a boot. But out of all the cars that hd issues with parking, and rules, my bet would be on mustangs. But it’s fun to stereotype and generalize
That is hilarious
I agree with you. You are right on point.
Just picked up my 2022 gt pp1 loving it! Mustangs get a bad rep for losing control because its the most popular sports car in America with more than enough power to get you in trouble. As the mopar's are gaining popularity so are the increase in videos of scats and cats crashing into absolutely everything. I also have magneride on my mustang and it really stiffness things up when in sport+ or track
Can you go more into detail about magnaride? I’ve been looking into buying a GT but I want to ensure I have the proper mods to help prevent losing traction, but i have no clue what mods there are to help with that and nobody has any videos about it on youtube
To add to that, a watts link resolves wheel hop and movement on a solid rear axle....
A lot of new drivers think also that pushing the traction control button turns off all systems on a Mustang. It does not. It comes down to the driver pushing a powerful rwd, light weight car over their limits as a driver. I've run my Boss hard on track and in canyons. Maybe it helps to be 46 and from a time and place where driving skills mattered. First car was a '81 Monte Carlo. Drove that through a few Midwest winters from 16-19 years old. Teaches you a lot. S550 should handle a lot better with ifs. Refuse to drive one because it'll put the bug in my ear to buy another mustang. Prefer the raw, you need to know how to drive feel. I have other daily's so strictly a weekend and event car now but it's never made me shit my pants. Ford TC and no watts link for inexperienced drivers is a recipe for disaster. Not knowing how to handle snap steering is a crowd killer
For a base engine that stang is tight, I like those rims.
Absolutely speed is definitely not an issue
if yall are really worried about it getting squirrely. upgrade the suspensions and tires. I driven a base 300a gt with a stage 2 roush blower and it was a six speed. that thing was absolutely nuts. I would not recommend a car like that to a teen or an inexperience driver.
Let’s forget about Roush for a moment, this is a problem with just the regular Ecoboost and GTs
The same lesson young mr Parker had to learn, with great power comes great or even greater responsibility…. It’s a overpowered small vehicle….those of inflated ego simply beware … lack of experience and overinflated sense of skill
I have a 2020 Mustang I guess I don't drive mine hard enough...The one time i did hit it hard in sports mode it scared the holy hell out of me. It was about 6am coming home from work it was drizzeling out and I was trying to pass a big rig. Long story short I hit it pedal not to the floor but maybe halfway the rear end almost went sideways on me. Remind you I'm doing about 60 punched it lightly and it went crazy! Sports mode is super aggressive when it kicked into the next gear I had to let off because the rear went right. I had just gotten it maybe 3 weeks in and it was my first time really trying to get on it. I will agree with the tail getting away if you're not experienced. The auto traction control does a great job of keeping you from killing yourself, but at first I was scared as heck to push it to the limit. I've had it a year now and still haven't pressed the pedal to the floor. I got mad respect for mustangs! 460hp is nothing to sneeze at! Ive driven scat packs and they aren't close to being as aggressive as the Mustang. They have more power but its smooth and clean the mustang is like a redheaded step child who just doesn't give a damn!
Yep, same happen to me many years ago, 2003 Mach1, lesson learn. I now drive my Mustang when it rains like grandma total respect for its power, never an accident after that scared.
These cars will tail on you so easily.
If your on the highway and its raining, do not even think of going over 60 and you best have good tires. Also the wider the tires on the back the more likely your going to hydroplane on wet roads if you disrespect its power. These are cars not meant to be driven hard on the rain.
I watch the video. And I agree , I have a 2014 Mustang GT convertible , My dream car , this car will fish tail easily. Thats with the best tires . And I am not in my twenties and I don’t drink . But the car is still awesome.
I’ve had over 20 mustangs all v8s and I totally think it’s driver error because you can feel when it slips and if u don’t let off or know what to do, you’re done! People’s balls not as big as they think that’s all
Its the driver every time.
If your rear wheel drive car goes into an accidental slide just let off the gas and it’ll fix itself.
What they all do is turn the wheel sharply in the opposite direction so when it gets traction it launches…into a wall.
I just bought a new 2023 Hellcat Jailbreak because I finally accepted that my dream car , 1970 ‘Cuda 340 , wasn’t coming back and this is as close as I can get with a lot more get up and go ! I’m 65 , I can drive and when I get past the break in period I’m really looking forward to seeing what my Plum Crazy baby and I can do together ! I also want to go down the track a time or two and see if I can get it into the rumored 10’s . I already love this car and will have it for the rest of my life ! Everyone that owns something fast needs to practice a bit and not just assume you can handle it ALL from the jump . Have fun with your car and enjoy them , but don’t get yourself or innocent bystanders hurt because you are an idiot ! Take care , have fun but be safe ! Peace ☮️ .
Alot of Mustang owners.....there's a difference between car guys and car owners. The car guys in the Mustang group are the ones that drag race...know their car and how to drive it. The Mustang owner are the guys crashing their cars all over the internet.
I’ve owned an eco boost that I’ve admittedly dogged the shit out of it it’s at 110k miles I’ve owned an e30 an e46 and a vw CC and I will say that it doesn’t handle as well as those cars it’s harder to control steering is numb and it’s just hard to tell what it’s about to do next it also feels too heavy
Same thing with my ecoboost. Dogged the shit out of it for 30k miles lol. I haven't driven any e30 or vw but from what I hear European suspension just a league above us than here in America. I tuned mine and threw some other stuff on it so it makes 350/425 and it doesn't feel heavy at all to me even with a 4 banger. Maybe you're missing a lil extra tq you need? I can keep up with if not gap any v8 I see minus the obvious big dawgs, for 17k off the lot and 2k in parts.
I own a 2017 S550 and i daily drive it. Never had a problem it's a great car. most crashes in my opinion is driver fault...Yes it can be tail happy but most drivers showing off panic when the tail goes then they try to over compensate to get the car straight again which unbalances the car and causes the crash. The 2017 S550 i own has a mechanical LSD and if the tail does go all you need to do to is let off the throttle and steering and the car straightens up no issue at all.
It have an s550 2022 and a 07 S197. I must say I can feel the s197 more that the s550 but boy is the s550 a beast. They are both fun to drive though. You must know what yr dealing with. My s197 got away from me once in a slick surface and stopped traffic. I was ice skating and saved it.
You are right. The Shelbys are a completely different Beast! I love my Shelby GT500. Great Video My Friend.
Wow my friend congratulations on owning such an epic machine, enjoy!
I got a 2017 v6 mustang with 300hp and I feel scared in the rain it loves to fish tail I can imagine the v8 with 460hp
Haha my GT350 tries to kill me all the time in the rain. Can't use more than half throttle.
When I was a kid , two piece mustangs and falcons were a common sight .