Critérium du Dauphiné 2024 | THEMOVE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- George, Spencer, and JB break down Primož Roglič's down-to-the-wire overall victory over young American Matteo Jorgenson and breakout Canadian star Derek Gee at the traditional Tour de France warm-up race, the eight-stage Critérium du Dauphiné. They discuss how Roglič's climbing performances at the race stack up against the sport’s other top GC stars, Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard, what to make of his up-and-down performances throughout the week while also unpacking into Remco Evenepoel’s disappointing ride and what it means for his GC chances at the upcoming Tour de France.
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Thanks for these great shows!
Georgie looking FIT and LEAN
Great job guys!
My $$ on Tadej winner of Le Tour. Im hoping & 🙏🏼🙏🏼 theres no major crashes. Id say the podium is Primos & Jonas. Remco top 10 with Matteo a wildcard. Im hoping his size doesnt effect him in the heat of the French summer. Im also 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼💯 Cav does it with not one but two sprint wins! Gonna be an incredible Le Tour no Doubt!! 👍🏻🚵🏾♀️💯🇺🇸🇸🇮🇬🇧🇨🇵
V has a bit better supporting team and could make for a really competitive race, but I don't see how v recovers from the injury without 💉 help.
If he manages to recover it is the dream team vs the solo mutant. UAE Is good but always seems that visma is another level.
It was fun watching Mads Pedersen fighting to hang on over the climbs late in stage 2, in the end he failed to make it but thats a rare time when i root for the sprinter to win stages and i have full respect for their efforts whether they end up dropped or not because then they have fought as hard as they can just to try to make it to the finish and anyone who ever raced a bicycle can relate very well while watching that whole scenario...
Have a lot of respect for George
I watched him as much as Lance when they were teammates.👍
Hi from Denmark. Love these weekly "meetings" with you guys. keep em´coming. Cheers Ps: we all in Denmark wishes for Jonas to be 100% ready for the Tour, so we all can get that rivalry we so desperately need ;-)
Everyone is focusing on Roglic and his small margin victory (:08 sec) for yellow. He still had 2 stage wins, and a 2nd. Most of the best GC riders in history have similar results.
We are so accustomed to pogacars stellar season and performances. However, soon we will see he is human.
i don't think anyone is discounting roglic so much as his lack of dominance compared to pogacars overwhling dominance. last year i'd have said roglic will be right there because i wouldn't have believed the growth spirt pogacar had this winter. but wheras roglic needed his team to shut down a rider that was two minutes up the road, pogacar was able to bridge a two minute gap solo so quickly it looked like he was on a moto --and that was at the giro
Soon? What do you mean by that? We've seen Pogacar being human a bunch of times.
Another impressive thing that Jorgenson did this year... he was the last rider to hang on to van der Poel before he soloed away in Roubaix 😉
I know it is hard to get used to. But this race has not been called the Dauphine Libere for a very long time.
See you next week
kuss is absolutely paying the price for last year.and jorgensen is almost two much improved.
Dauphine liberee !!! We are in the 21st century Criterium du dauphine
Ha, totally dated myself. -jb
Remco is two kg overweight at this point👉watts/ kg
Good episode guys. George insights great and Spencers science interesting. I heard Pog is targeting 7.5 w kg for 10 minutes 7.0 for 20 minutes and 6.5 for 40 minutes. Lance (ask him) was at 7 watts per kg 20 minutes for his 7 wins EPO assisted. Modern cyclists get to those EPO assisted levels using science these days. 0:00
George, Everything is nicer in Switzerland!
Where is johan and Lance? Miss them! Still a great show though! ❤
Johan was traveling and LA on family trip in Paris
Usually, every year, Johan Bruyneel would say it, but as he is missing, I am going to do it for him:
Since the sale of the competition to Amaury in 2010, the race has unfortunately lost its historical name similar to the newspaper who created it 60 years ago.
We can even say the Dauphiné has lost its freedom (Libéré), since the takeover.
Nobody cares about that. We just want to see high-level racing
Thank you! It always bothers me that Lance still calls it the Dauphine Libere.
Exciting report on power and who are actually the tour contenders. I do not agree on the George comment that it is hard to be 100% without racing. I thing racing can have the opposite effect. Training is the best prep for racing - the key to 7 W/Kg plus performance. Jonas vs. Pogacar is going to be a nailbiter.
Do you ride? I mean, for somebody who raced the entire junior career and been around racers you sure have 0 clue what you're talking about. Training can NEVER replace racing!!! Training without racing is 0, if you aim for amazing results in racing.
@@shadowsun33 I will distinguis here between WT pros and yourself and me for that matter. They race alot - therefore pauses make them fokus on their weaknesses and hence make them come back stronger. I believe that is the way of modern cycling.
For myself or any other weekend cyclist it is different. But the discussion is about the absolute elite.
@@NicolaiLiebach It doesn't matter what level you're talking about. There's very little difference between hours and intensity put in the training between the elite, pro and semi-pro. The fact you think there are any differences between those levels on those 2 matters it just shows you know extremely little about racing. You don't know me. You have no idea what level I raced at. I was a vice national champ in Slovenia in the 90s. I raced in Slovenia, Austria and Italy. None of those races are a joke. And no: pros do not race a whole lot in general. In fact, semi-pros race more. Again: training without racing will never keep you at a 100%. George was the Elite, so he knows what he's talking about.
Even with similar w/kg, Pogi is arguably the best bike racer and Primoz is often mispositionned and crashes all the time…
See you in Austria, George
Great show!
JB... Jonas himself pronounces his last name VIN-g-gard - not VIN-g-go. Johan (the linguist on your staff) also says VIN-g-gard. Just sayin.
Do you guys even follow the sport? Or just watching and guessing away. Multiple times in post stage interviews did Remco state, that he is not there for GC, but for training and the ITT. If you see the way he rides every mountain it makes sense. He kept to his own pace and didn't accelerate.
This is the part Johann is so good at, because he seems to know and follow the interviews as well.
George is cleaning up some really ignorant comments by Spencer
Interesting how non riders ( same in baseball) quote statistics as the best all
Lots of factors enter into a riders stats on a stage
I was not shocked that Primoz almost lost the race. He went down twice in this race and Primoz lost, was it not, two Paris-Nice's in about the same fashion? Shocked is not the correct label in my opinion. People are so easily convinced riders are some god like thing. It is not like he destroyed everybody else the two stages before. He has the advantage of a talent for short explosive uphill sprints and experience. So if people do not attack him he will probably win the stage.
In fairness, Remco told Landa and everyone to ride for himself during the climb when he got dropped.
Spencer to UAE for strategic consultancy vs LR @ Jumbo…
Spencer continues to keep it honest regarding Remco. Great rider but this guy is not a TDF podium contender.
Jonas is sandbagging. Pogi can't let that fool him
Interesting theory
@@wedu rumor mill is Jonas is pushing crazy numbers in altitude training that rival his earlier season success. They claim he has the ridiculous ability to raise his fitness in an incredibly short period of time. That remains to be seen if he can hold it over a 3 week period, and Pogi seems to have vastly improved his long effort high mountain ability with a new trainer which was his only real weakness the past 2 years. I really hope Jonas starts the tour and in good form. He is the only one capable of keeping Pogi from running away with a dominant victory.
@@pacolives1584The numbers don't matter when your psyche is crushed by an almost life changing crash. Your confidence doesn't just spiral back. He also is not racing to test his confidence back on the bike. Training and racing are 2 very different things.
UAE still considers Jonas the favorite, so they're definitely not falling for yet another Visma BS. Visma is definitely the team that play the dirtiest of the entire peloton, total scumbags. That's why Primoz left, hopefully Wout leaves them too. They screwed him over real good too on multiple occasions.
Where's your Tour de Suisse analysis? If it is not Jonas, Roglic, Pogacar or Remco it does not matter?
Get real guys, look at how Matteo fell short in the tour of Flanders vs his 200k win. Same with the tour vs a one week race
And Matteo may have already peaked
Sepp hasn’t looked good this year. Maybe too hard last year, I thought this too
Matteo peaked?! The boy in ten years younger than Roglic :-D
TDF will be a battle for 2nd, Primoz vs Matteo .
Mateo will be 5-10 on GC
You mean battle for 3rd😅😅😜😜
A bridge too far for Matteo
And it has come out that Froome is not making €5mm year
👍👍👍🇦🇹✌️
Hope Remco is just still in recovery and hope he is not just a hype…
What does that all say about Sepp? He didn’t look like he wanted to put in any effort into the climbing at all , then dropped out ?
I would not say Kuss won the vuelta. He clearly got it gifted from his team. If they had raced it fair and square jonas would have won, primoc second and kuss on 3rd place so lets not overhype him. He is no grand tour winner per se, he is a domestiqe that got a gift from 2 of the 3 best riders in the world at that time.
Remco says he hates training at altitude. Could it be that this is his problem in the mountains?.
Jorgenson like Yorgenson, not Dyorgenson, he is of danish descent
Remco told him to go for himself
It was reported
The Pogacar fan channel 😂😂😂. Vingegaard did beat Pogacar almost 8 min Last Year 😂😂😂.i Wonder What The excuse is This year😂.pogi did win easy with 10 min then you can say Vingegaard win Easy Last Year with 8 min
Except that this Giro all his competitors were in great shape and Pogacar at the Tour last year came in with wrist pains due to complicated wrist fracture not enough training and 0 racing last 2 months before the Tour. So Pogacar fan or not, you don't like facts.
Appreciate the podcast, thanks, but get George a real microphone please. The sound quality from him is not good.
RP"..this wouldn't happen in F1". Who cares about F1!?!? What's all this talk about F1 in the cycling industry?? This is cycling, not motorsports on flat tracks.
Pogi lost the last two TDF's comfortably, I see no danger of him making it boring by large advantage. If anything, it will be Jonas who will make it more interesting by being a bit less capable than normal, otherwise Jonas would win it quite easily
I thought Roglic didn't have it before stage 8 as all he was doing was following on the climbs and sprinting the last 200m
As soon as someone decided to put the hammer down he sunk.
Remco will never win the Tour.
He is not a good enough climber unfortunately
Spencer really doesn’t have to depth knowledge of the sport or running a sports team
Okay, this dude clearly doesn't know anything about cycling: 17:00: VAM on a steep climb is lower than on a less steep climb. Because you don't go as fast on a steep climb as on a less steep climb. It's the vertical altitude meters that you can ride in an hour. But that doesn't say it all either. Because you can do climb A in let's say one hour and climb 1000 VAM when you just did some warm up and basically a time trial up hill. While if you do the same climb A at the end of a 200km race then it won't last an hour but 1.10h to 1.20h. (or even worse if you are really exhausted).
Go on, just say it... Is Remco fat?? 😉
Without the time bonuses Jorgensen beat ROGLIC by 2 seconds over 8 stages.
Yeah right. Without the basket on the MAVS side of the court MAVS would win the last game 0 : 98. But hey ... Roglič pulled two stage wins, how many did Matteo?
Remco can’t match the top climbers @ 10%+
Maybe 9%+
He is stockier
Jonas was have doping, that day on time trial Tour de France 2023
that performance was machine like srsly
If Jonas was taking dope than it is more than sure that Pogi is taking a lot more this entire year (hell, the last years, basically from the start of his career...)
@@djvincekline7338Pogi has been elite since he was a young teenager.
and of course you have actual PROOF to back up your allegations or are you just running your mouth??? Inquiring minds would like to know...
@@SCBonneville Nobody has any proof whatsoever about the cycling stars of today. What we have proof of is what teams say and do. Just look at Pogi and his ice bath. Just look at Evenepoel drinking a ketone drink right after a stage in the Vuelta. Just hear what TJV has to say about natrium bi carbonate (and ketones). It's all allowed by the UCI, WADA, ASO etc. Maybe the OP was trying to be funny. Yes, the TT of Jonas was amazing, yet, what people forget is the clear recuperation abilities of Jonas. There is no doping at all that can help with that shit. Plus.... The winners are being checked every single day! Pogi and Jonas are being checked almost daily in the Tour de France. We would know if they took something illegal. We knew it about Nairo Quintana (hardly a doping case at all) and we knew it about M.A. Lopez (that was sooooo extremely stupid, who in his right mind is still using EPO?! ). Ah well. Haters will always hate, right?!
it doesnt count how old is cyclist or from which country is... listening this episode and opinon about Matteo and Primož, is far from objective opinion
Spencer is such a hater. He doesn't like anybody but Jonas. Of course, Jonas is amazing, but Spencer's comments about Roglic's numbers not being up to par for the Tour? Oh, that's just dripping with deep, dark hatred. Because, you know, hitting seven watts per kilo? Easy peasy, right? Primos practically does it in his sleep. And Jonas? Well, sure, he used to be able to pull off 7 wpk for 30 minutes when he won the last two Tours, but now he needs to prove he can keep up with Pog and even Roglic. Piece of cake, right?
How is that being a hater. Seems like he is being objective. Pog or Jonas put minutes into Roglic if they would have been at the Dauphine and been healthy.
@@gregleman6592 Oh, totally, Spenser is the very definition of objectivity. Clearly, pointing out that Roglic's numbers aren't up to par isn't hating at all-it's just pure, unbiased analysis (based on what his calculations?). And of course, if Pog or Jonas had been at the Dauphiné and in perfect health, they would have put minutes into Roglic without breaking a sweat. It's so obvious that they dominate effortlessly in every scenario. Who could possibly argue with that flawless logic?
@@kkryspin guess we will find out at the tour and then we can revisit this conversation
@@gregleman6592 Oh, absolutely, we'll find out at the Tour. And then we can revisit this enlightening conversation. I'm sure Spencer's "objective" insights will be vindicated, and we'll all bow down to his undeniable wisdom. It'll be a real treat to see Pog and Jonas effortlessly crush Roglic, just as Spencer predicted. Can't wait for that glorious moment.
You seem rather triggered…truth hurts much?
Not only should Froome not be at the TdF, Israel-PremierTech shouldn't be allowed at the start-line. And you all know why, so don't play dumb.
Absolutely! The riders of Gazprom RusVelo were (and still are?!) banned from cycling in Europe due to little d guy in the Kremlin. The blokes train and live in the south of Catalonia and have nothing to do with the war in Ukraine. Be aware. Russia didn't kill as many civilians as Isnotreal plus they didn't commit as many war crimes and crimes against humanity as the terrorist forces of Satanyahu. Yet, Team Israhell-Genocidetech is allowed to participate in the biggest cycling race in the world. Let's just pretend that it has nothing to do about 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
How so? They come from an existing country fighting terrorists from a medieval totalitarian ideology
Roglic would have lost the GC if Ciccone hadn’t pulled him up the final k’s. Matteo owes Giulio some payback.
Really? I was watching the race, but it feels like you and I watched a different one. So please tell me for how long (in meters) Giulio pulled Roglič on the last climb?
This is shaping up to be ONE OF THE MOST BORING TOURS as of late 😂
Sorry guys. As JV said: Tadej just needs to stay upright
Otherwise this is possibly a 10-15min winning margin. Everyone's banged up except Tadej Jonas' injury is serious enough to keep him on the sidelines
The more interesting plot here is what does Jumbo do.
we want lance and johan and less of the other two
Remco is a jerk. I enjoy watching him fail.
You can’t win the tour without the help of a good doctor 🩸🩸💉💉💉🤫🤐
Quote from Durian Rider
That is why the last the 4 winners of the Tour were never caught with doping (the 5th was a drug taker, and a rider who should have been disqualified for doing a part of the route without a bike...)
Fool
Don’t cry
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