The Horrific Case of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour | UNRESOLVED
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UPDATE: 61-year-old Joseph George Sutherland has been sentenced to life in prison following his guilty plea in the deaths of Susan and Erin. Source: toronto.citynews.ca/2023/10/05/toronto-cold-case-susan-tice-erin-gilmour-murders/amp/
Great news, I hope it can bring some peace to Susan and Erin's loved ones. Kudos to the brothers of Erin whom never gave up on the pursuit of justice. 🖤
Life sentence but chance for parole in 20 years.
If you hear a neighbor screaming call the darn cops!
I worked with an older women who did that once.
Long story short she was run out of her neighborhood for being a "snitch" and a "karen"
Perhaps it's time we stop pandering to criminals by copying their attitude towards people who call the police?
@@mjanny6330 that's awful!
@@mjanny6330 lol she was "ran out the neighborhood" you mean she got her feelings hurt because one person called her a Karen? How did everyone even know she has called?
@@allis5870 small neighborhood maybe. My little area growing up if the cops showed up for any reason, we know who called. Never got mad about it though. We just called her Eagle Eye June and let her do her thing
If you hear someone screaming a death scream who cares what anyone calls you, call the cops. I imagine this was a completely different circumstance.
So weird the neighbor didn’t think to call the police after hearing her screaming bloody murder at 1am
Word
Seems that is happening a lot. Neighbors not wanting to get involved so they'd rather turn a blind eye and allow someone to be murdered then when asked, they come up with a lame sorry excuse. Rather than just admit they're a crappy human being.
Cases like this are why i always call the cops when something that isnt right around where I live is going on.
Its most frustrating to realize that someone can hear a horrifying death scream and not call authorities. It seems to happen a lot in these cold cases. I hope that most people these days will choose to report a person screaming for their lives instead of ignoring it.
@Lindy Brown I agree Lindy! I think (and hope) that people today would be more likely to contact police vs years ago when people "minded their own business." About 13 years ago I overheard a domestic dispute at my neighbors in the middle of the night. The man was beating her and trying to pull her inside while she screamed for someone to help her. Around that same time we had a young mother in our city viciously murdered by her ex, so that was fresh in my mind. I called police and they seemed annoyed by the call and didn't show up for over an hour. I never regretted my decision to call. I couldn't imagine living with myself if I could have prevented someone's death.
Can't believe these were the guy's only murders. Only 21, just three months apart, and both brutally quick and 'efficient'. He's had nearly 40 years to add to the tally.
Find it hard to believe he just went quiet and stopped murdering people for 40 years
Of course he didn’t. A “person” who rapes and murders two lovely women before their 25th birthday has a name a sociopath or a psychopath but in either case just the first two rungs on the serial offender ladder. Pathetic sick bastard. Sorry for the salty language.
Agree!
Most murders like these are one offs. Think about how many unsolved sexually motivated type cases there are in the US alone, the majority are single kills where for whatever reason, the murderer stops.
@@bostonsandatot4948 Well they finally caught the bastard and he’s been living in Ontario the whole time. Mostly on a First Nations reservation working with at risk children for G*d’s sake. The provincial police and the RCMP do not believe these were his only two victims for what that is worth.
And who said he stopped? Only God knows how many women this psycho raped and killed.
I'm chatting with my neighbors on a regular basis and quietly checking they are ok. But one night when I was living in a apartment block my direct neighbor was screaming. Straight over with a deadly kitchen knife...... it was a big cicada ....... phew.
But ready to protect my neighbor anyway.
I hope you update us when verdict is made public.
Yes please
he'll get community service and a small fine. It's Canada.
I don’t understand why people who hear screams from their neighbours’ homes don’t call the police or at the very least check in with the neighbours
Fear of getting involved in something one wouldn't want to find oneself involved in, self-preservation instinct, cognitive biases, etc.
The problem is when you have neighbors who make a shit ton of noise on a regular basis, hearing them scream doesn't register as unusual enough to call the cops, and there's the fear that if they're just screaming because they're having a party or something, if you DO call the cops then your neighbors will retaliate against you for being a "karen" because you prefer not to hear screaming all the time.
@@FrenkTheJoy the neighbours wouldn't know who called and who cares about offending someone if the alternative means someone loses their life?
@@FrenkTheJoy This line of thinking would have cost me my life last year if I was being attacked and not just suffering a panic attack. I specifically was calling out for my neighbors by name, and they did nothing until the next day when they complained to the landlord. They definitely were "Karens" as both of them constantly complained about the slightest noises (I lived above them in the attic of the house, and this was the first and only panic attack I'd ever had while living there) and it's so unsettling that they would rather have been pissed at me for making noise rather than sending help, even when I called their names.
Some people just dont wanna get involved, they are afraid of the repercussions.
I hope they can find everywhere he’s been in the past 40 years and compare DNA, even internationally. What are the chances he just stopped killing after these two women? Maybe he’s the key to solving many other cold cases. RIP Susan & Erin.
Zero chances, absolute zero. Hopefully many families will soon get answers 🙁🫤
Luckily they have his DNA on record now, so if they run other samples through, they'd get him as a match. Thank goodness for DNA technology
...or before these two murders. He seemed quite prolific and confident in going about it. They have his DNA however, so maybe some cold case files are being looked at. There are also a lot of missing Indigenous women out there too so, who knows!
How do you hear someone scream specially when its your neighbour and not think of calling police or getting any help 🙄
A lot of people don't like to or want to get involved.
Please ALWAYS ALWAYS call the police if you ever hear someone screaming.
Please don’t wait and listen, please just call.
It’s better to call the police and be wrong, than to not call and find out that someone did need help urgently.
I was once the person screaming, and at the court case, there were 6 people that had heard me screaming but then had done nothing.
Only one of these witnesses was apologetic and upset about not calling for help. Some of the other people gave their evidence in a way like they were freaking heroes or something. I actually screamed over a period of several hours and every single one of those people thought that someone else would have called.
Please please call.
It could save someone’s life - just call ☎️
My neighbor is watching TV with all the volume up, every single day. He's also using some kind of surround sound system on his TV, for more noise enhancement. It sounds like he's getting murdered every single evening.
My neighbor's kid screams like they're all being murdered every day while she plays outside. The parents never tell her to take it down a notch. If they were being murdered, it would never occur to me to call anyone.
The above replies make good points. Also, often enough, when people report on domestic disputes, the victim ends up siding with her abuser, and violent revenge gets taken on the person who was naive enough to try reporting it. Not worth it for people who will despise you and turn on your for trying to 'help' them.
@Secretsquirrel I'm sorry for the way people have reacted to your post. I've never seen such insensitivity in all of my life! I understand what you're trying to say here and agree with it. I have a 60 year old friend who has never recovered from the attack she received at 8 years old and her attacker was let go because no one would admit to hearing her screams! She learned much later, as an adult, how many actually heard her and she was normally a quiet child . There are so many cases all over the world that read just like yours! I'm going to augment it just a bit for those who need to understand your message as I do. I'm glad you survived to take it to trial and are still here with us today!
We all hear our neighbor's kids scream, our neighbor's shouting matches and see strangers on the street all of the time. We know these sounds and sights well. But there is a very different sound to a scream of terror. It will be a scream you have never heard until now. Maybe a scream you've never heard from a person who doesn't normally scream. Screams of terror and final death screams are very different from the sounds of children playing or adults arguing. If you hear strange or unusual screams, do not hesitate to call the law! It's always better to be wrong than to regret what you didn't do and now YOU have to live with the knowledge that a phone call could have saved them! I guarantee that the person you may save or avenge will be forever grateful that you made that call, as will their families. If it doesn't sound right, MAKE THAT CALL! MAKE THAT CALL NOW! Some day, it might be you! Wouldn't you want somebody to call the police?
Erin was a friend of a friend. She was an absolute angel and well liked. My friend also lost her little brother to an abduction and murder 15 years earlier. He was only 9. The case is unsolved. This case being solved is a huge load off her mind.
That’s horrible. I’m so sorry to hear that. Hope karma does its thing.
I am so sorry for u and your family
My heart goes out to all of you touched by these terrible losses.
Omgosh this is so sad💔
So many unsolved here🇨🇦 but glad this was🙏🏻 prayers to all involved.
People who harm children are so disgusting. I hope the person who did that is caught and punished.
Good job detectives! Way to keep at it! We don't know how many more women he's assaulted and/or killed in those years. Great job on this! Please keep us updated!
They are not DETECTIVES! They are TH-camrs!
@@velocitygirl8551 it was detectives that solved the case.
@Melissa Gottlieb - If you Really "don't know how many more women he's assaulted and/or killed in those years" then please Keep Your Mouth Shut rather than accusing him for more Crimes that he may have never even committed. I sure would hate to get an Air Head like YOU on MY Jury.
It’s hard to imagine that there are no other victims of this guy, he just didn’t stop after two assaults and murders. His whereabouts and DNA need to checked against unsolved cases as soon as possible.
I feel so bad for the boyfriend. If he hadnt been late, could she still have been alive? He must have thought that every day after that
I thought the same thing. Awful.
Why would you even suggest this? It is not his fault at all.
@@riggs20 Its not his fault but if he was there on time she would still be alive.
I would imagine he probably was hard on himself although he was not at all to blame. A lot of people struggle with stuff like that and blame themselves when a tragedy like this happens.
@@riggs20 I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying he must have felt like it was his fault. He must have felt guilty about it forever. It's awful, and I feel nothing but sympathy for him.
It's really sad people hear screams or banging on walls or some other thing that no one call police. Shame on all of you.
Hey, different strokes for different folks. I live in a condo, and I get involved; the majority of others do not.
If you hear a neighbour screaming you should call the cops at least so they can go to the house and check if the person is OK it's really not about being nosy it's being rightfully concerned about someone who may be I'm trouble I'm some way
"in" × 2.....
The frustration with these kinds of stranger kills is always wanting to know why he did it but knowing there will never be a good answer.
Justice was delayed but finally there will be justice. Thanks for bringing this story to us.
Why would neighbor not have called 911? She heard screams & didn't think she should call? Really??? 🙄
I find it weird that the neighbour didn't call the police or go and check on the woman after they heard her screaming at 1am. I'm such a curtain twitcher that I would be glued to the window to see if anyone comes out.
I hope there is a satisfying update to this case very soon.
I live in a little row of houses. I used to see an elderly lady outside her house quite often. Sometimes she locked herself out. I think she was suffering with something. One day I saw a guy with dreadlocks walk round the side of her house (I work from home so I look out my windows quite a lot(:)) I dithered about for a few minutes. I should have called the police but ran after him, up the side of the house into her back door......and saw him in a tabbard / apron thing doing the washing up and the old lady at the kitchen table having a cup of tea.
Whoops. I think I said something like "ah...I was just...everything's.....yes"
What an idiot
I love your honesty and the candidness of this retelling. I see myself all over this comment.
Being a concerned neighbor is never being an idiot! I commend you for your concern! Look around carefully and quietly next time. That way no apologies necessary but you did what you would want others to do! Don't hesitate to call either! Better to be wrong than to regret.
Can’t believe people are congratulating you for basically racially profiling someone and coming very close to calling the police on an innocent person…..
@@maddieb.4282 Did I refer to anyone's race?
Sounds like you're the one doing the "racial profiling" sister
Hey better to look silly and not have reacted as it could've been something bad.
He did not go that many years after those two murders without committing more. They need to look into him as the perp for other possible homicides.
I've watched this channel grow since its inception and the quality is top notch. 👌 The stories are incredibly interesting. Keep up the good work!!!
I love this channel and want to congratulate you on the research you put into these cases. I would also like to suggest you find some different fill in pictures rather than using the same ones over and over. Not that it would change the interesting content but rather enhance the viewing experience.
Agreed.
exactly. I went on a mini-mink-semi rant a few comments ago. VERY distracting, and never related to the case. Most are not even the same time period.
I end up just listening.
Fantastic outcome! Thank you for this story…just wondering about a motive?🤷♀️
Had to look, my great grandmother was Susan Tice
I'm so sorry
I'm so sorry for the tragedy that befell ur family.
Heartfelt condolences to you and your family.
No same name different person. Sorry for any confusion, my Susan Tice died in 1966.
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It is so nice to have a video of yours with the case having been solved! I appreciate you mixing it up a bit.
Thank you, another great job and story. Keep up the good work. I love your narrative
Gosh you’re such an amazing story teller been a subscriber for a good few months now and you’re definitely one of my favourite true crime narrators! You’re just wonderful ❤
Great video. Please keep us updated
Thanks DC, love your accent
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Both very beautiful women with beautiful smiles. So very sad.
Hard to quickly decipher a boyish but deadly face. The murderer in youth appeared quite non-threatening & most likely would catch one off guard.
I hope they're comparing his DNA to other cases. Usually you don't stop after two murders at that young age.
On your way to 250K subs.
Oh dang, glad you mentioned. DC is at 200K! Congrats DC!
I can't wait to watch this new upload from one of my all time favorite TC channels.
Knowing the gist of this story is already making me cringe. SMH 🤦🏻♀️ Unbelievable. RIP Angel's 🕊🌾
I could never hear/see something & do nothing. You can call ER services anonymously. So sad.
Thank you for another great upload.
God bless 👑🙏🕊💕💕👏👍
I feel weird when photos from other eras are used as stock footage. The Amazon packages, the new model cars... Sort of distracting.
Pos man. Rest peacefully ladies
Diligence and tenacity has paid off and they've finally got their man. What a wait, but hopefully worth it, and justice is served in due course.
Someone is screaming at 1:30 am, but you think nothing of it??
Fascinating story...cold case and now currently awaiting the court case and whether he admits to more murders. I am sure you will let us know!
Of course, the same way they finally caught the Golden State Killer here in California. I encourage everyone to donate to DNA databases to help with other unsolved crimes. I've given permission to use mine.
I would love to give my DNA for reasons like this but I wonder what could possibly happen to that DNA in the future?
DNA doesn't lie. Please keep us updated!
Thank goodness for DNA. I love to see the evil murderers caught
I know this case I had no idea of this result! Thank you ❤
My husband and I love your stories! I love when he will lay here and let me enjoy my crime shows....can you help solve an argument for us? We are debating about where tour accent is from? Thanks! 💙
Hi there! I have a Scottish Highlands accent! :)
I don't choose to understand why anyone would hear screams especially at such an awkward time and not think to contact the authorities but I guess the emphasis is 'not think'. There are so many cases like this but if it was them they would want help.
I don’t recall any ATM’s back in 1983
Not sure about Canada but the lower 48 had them in major cities at the end of the 60’s early 70’s and they were wide spread by 1980
@@playnicechannel I was in college in the USA 1983...it was hell because if you didnt have enough money on friday to get thru the weekend..you were screwed. I wish ATM's existed where I was then.
I've lived in TO for 30 yrs. If I called the cops every time I heard someone screaming they'd have nothing else to do.
"We got him." 👍👍👍👍👍
Rip susan an erin
A lot of cobwebs
It's not recent but the case of Ada Constance Kent is really odd. Might be worth covering.
Some name that mate
He must have gone on killing if he killed twice at age 20!
Fabulous. RIP Girls.
Thanks
Thanks DC🙏💔🕊️🦌
the fact that these seemed both very opportunistic, make me believe this sicko had more victims either before or after (perhaps the coverage of erin's namesake scared him off) but once a pig always a pig. RIP Susan and Erin and to the familys i hope this is somewhat of a closer and win for you all xx
I’m so glad that we have the technology and resources to help solve these crimes!
Am wondering why the neighbour did not ring the police?
If there is DNA, what kind of doubts can there be?
I hope, he will spend the rest of his life in prison. And it will hurt him, cause he thought, he got away with it and was prepared for his happy retirement. No way!
I just wonder, what his motive was🤯 is he a serial killer, a psychopath? Were therr more victims after? 🤯 So interesting
Narration too long winded and slow paced. Almost fell asleep.
Thank god for DNA.
*God, but yes.
@@loveforeignaccents If you're saying that it should be capitalized, I believe in this context it's more inclusive if uncapitalized, but it's certainly debatable.
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Question: Why are you showing pictures of black women as if they are part of the picture?
It’s just a vid Ronald
I’m wondering about stopping at an ATM for cash. I don’t recall ATMs in Canada in 1983. perhaps not until the second half of the 80s. If they existed, they certainly weren’t in every corner store like they are now.
Yeah, I don’t remember ATMs in America in the 80s. They came out in the 90s here. We wrote checks and cashed them or went to the bank for cash.
I was using an ATM in around 1982 in Kansas City. They were new but amazing innovations at the time. Getting cash outside bank hours! Who would have ever thought!
This is like Kitty Genoese in NYC. Murdered and 35 neighbors heard her screaming. No one called police. The horror of a human came back twice and killed her during the second attack. Please get involved. Call police. The life you save could be your own!
R.i.p
THANKS THE LORD 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 , MY CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF SUSAN 😓😓😓😓🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺💔💔💔💔💔💔⚖️⚖️⚖️⚖️⚖️⚖️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
but he lived his whole life free...taking him to jail when he is elderly benefits him. You know those two weren't the only ones either.
i WONDER IF JOSEPH SUTHERLAND WAS ONE OF SUSAN TICE's CLIENTS OR CONNECTED IN SOMEWAY TO ONE OF HER SOCIAL WORK CASES ? how was sutherland connected to gilmore? just a random thing ?? Tice and Gilmore didn't know eachother, but lived only a few miles apart...
where did Sutherland work & live during this time period ??
Wow!😮 I'm seeing so many people saying that they wouldn't know when to call or thinking that they make a mistake in worrying about their neighbor's safety!
My neighborhood has many, many kids and adults who scream or shout on a regular basis. I listen to them all intently! Why? Maybe because my best friend was sexually assaulted when she was a child and no one reacted to her screams! But the biggest reason is because, when I was young, I drove an ambulance and picked up the victims of violence all night long. Some were alive but most weren't. I was always told by the police that the sounds of true terror were different from the screams of playing children or angry adults. So, I listen. One time, I hear very different screams from a child, three very, very different sounds that were not normal! I called the police. They didn't get there in time to save the child, but they found the culprit very quickly because of my actions! I wish I could have saved the girl but the screams were different because it was already too late to save her. At least her attacker is now behind bars for life! The timely arrival of the police gave the witnesses confidence against her assailant. Don't ever be afraid to listen! Call the police if it doesn't sound 'right'! I couldn't save the poor child's life but maybe you'll save the person you hear! Isn't protecting each other what it's all about?
Hey totally with you, even call anonymously, you did your very best 💚
@@jr7845 thanks for your kindness! If one person is saved because of my post then she will be smiling!😊🌈
It's wonderful with what they can do with this techology!
How scary! 😵💫
i do love this channel, for several reasons, but can only listen, because the constant use of unrelated random images is extremely distracting. Still shots are much preferred, for me, and allows more attention to the info. Only a few true crime channels understand this. Two are *That Chapter*, snd *heavy casefiles*.
That Chapter is incredible in its use of actual footage (if it is still called that), recordings etc.
heavycasefiles uses extended still images, and accomplishes the same effect, allowing the viewer the absorb the info.
Awful sad 😢 love 💓 from Montreal Canada 💞
Detective Steve Smith is a phenom. What a tragedy with these two ladies being assaulted and stabbed. Terrifying for them, no doubt. RIP Susan & Erin
Soo sad 😔
The storyes are interresting, but they get SO destroyed bye all the photos of people that has nothing to do with the case.
Bet there not his only 2 no way
Amazing and thanks be for for DNA.Why is justice so hard to get ? ....
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I cant tell if i already listed to erins story or if i already watched this video because parts of the story like not having to worry about a dark ally and her bf may already be there are word for word the same... 🤔.. it was part of a cases solved video.
My truck drivers would complain about this person doing something illegaland I would ask them if they dialled emergency. No, they would say. I'd just throw my hands in the air.
He was such a normal looking kid. How does someone end up like this?
I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but that method of DNA collection seems like it should be illegal.
Nobodyt I know calls it Toronto, Canada.
Looking in his face I probably would have taken him for quite a nice and decent guy :(
So I didn't hear anything in regards to questioning Susan's husband after their divorce... maybe it was contentious and he harbored ill-feelings?!?
Anyhow, I love the sound when you take deep breaths... don't worry, I'm normal. 😋
EDIT: Well, if the same thing happened to Erin, I doubt the killer would be Susan's ex-husband, unless he got a taste for murder after his first killing.
SECOND EDIT: I am shocked they finally caught the guy!! Hope he ends up spending the rest of his life behind bars!!! Also I figured it must have been a young man if he did all that to Erin within the span of 20 minutes (quick ejaculator).
So thanks for the story and have a good one!
20 minutes is "quick"?
@@travisstreeter2779 That wasn't just for the actual "act" itself...
coulda done without that last part.
Perhaps the squatters removed the treasures. Also if locals knew about them, it would be a bit of a temptation. Doubt they are still in the convent.
Dead rich person...shoulder shrug.
People now days are so stupid, or scared, or just do not want to get involved, WTF? God wants you to help your fellow man...... Don't just do nothing??? Help or Call the COPS...!!!!
just balance the situation once proof is founf ,you take a life you have to give it back.
CECE Moore is a wonderful DNA analyzer. She has solved tons of cases. She is worth every penny!!!
These are just 2 examples of why every household should a weapon for protection. 2nd amendment always!!!!
Here we go, Americans making it all about g*ns 🙄 so idiotic
How 'bout in celebration of 200k followers you stop using the evil eye stock footage.
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