That vise was made for Craftsman by Rock Island. First showed up in 1948, started being phased out around 1958. Initially they came with a metal heritage badge riveted on one side, then switched to cast raised lettering as you have on. The 5198 is the rarest -the 5" swivel mount. These vises all originally came in that 1950s blue-gray Craftsman color. Within all the 519X Craftsman models, there was a leaf spring put in the nose of the spindle so that the handle would not fall. There may be an issue with your leaf spring as it allows the handle to drop. There was no inherent design flaw, the broken dynamic jaws you have are an anomaly. Any brand vise of any size can be broken if misused or accidentally dropped from a decent height.
I picked one up a few years ago. I love the design of this vise. It is next up on a rehab. Nothing is broken on it. I only need to make the locking Finial as mine is missing. Thanks for the vid. It will serve me well in the resto.
Nice Craftsman Vise. I have 4 Craftsman cast-iron vises and I like them all. That being said the all-steel vise I have from Sheffield, England is way tougher.
@@shopdoc You are correct. I found two Record Vises at garage sales and restored them. Sadly, I read Record is out of business and the UK now does not even make steel anymore as of last year. I really like the Craftsman vise that you found.
Hi. Nive job. I'm restoring one myself. The lock collar is missing. It is threaded with a stop screw right? Any other features on the stop collar that you remember? Thanks
You´re right ,Chris. It´s about the morons that hammer on it with a 15 pound hammer. You can see the witness marks on both jaws. They were simply misused over their limits. Those guys were precision vises and not intended to straighten a rear axle of a truck in it. The design details are very convicing, an excellent draft.
Beautiful Vice. I Love the extra steps taken internally to remove slop etc. however the design does have an inherent design flaw granted. In my opinion the best vices ever made were by Record. If you're not familiar they are super high quality vices that were manufactured in Britain (United Kingdom). Check out the early model Record No.25, No.112 & No.36 Models. The quick release feature is a real game changer! Sadly no longer produced, bought out by Irwin who now make poor copies of them.
I have read about Record vises but never owned one…..yet! I’ll keep trying. Reed vises are the best I have seen so far. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video. Actually picked up nearly the same vise, model 5191. It is in very roughtshape and is missing the collar and handle. I have already cleaned and painted it. I can make the missing parts. Is there any chance you can give me dimensions on the collar? Can you tell me how long the handle is? Would really appreciate it. Trying to keep it out of the scrap yard!
@@shopdoc Thanks for the reply. Helps. I have a 4" vise. The collar should just be wide enough to take up the slack in the lead screw right? Maybe less than 1" wide or so. Thanks
Beautiful vises, but I also think that they built the slide a tad weak at the end below the jaw. I think I've seen maybe 6-8 of them where aprox 3-5 lbs of NiRod has been used to repair the slide. If welded correctly, the fix will last a lifetime.. Example... Back in the summer of '68 my folks had bought a house and we were in process of moving. My dad had just un-bolted the vise from the benchtop. The jaws of the vise weren't all the way closed, and the tumbled off the edge, and hit the concrete floor hard enough to snap the front of the slide...... Well after the move, dad took the vise over to a friends place, and once everything was in place, held in perfect alignment... It only took around 4lbs of NiRod and everything was good to go.... About 30 years later, I became the owner of the repaired vise... and today?? The old vise still works 100% perfectly...... So there you have it... 55 years alter after the big break, that vise still works perfectly......
That’s a great story. I have always been told that if a vise is repaired with nickle or braze properly, then the repair is as strong or stronger than before the break.
1.5hrs from Indy. I live near a small town called Sullivan. Actually live 10 miles from Sullivan but that's the closest real town. I am very close to Illinois Indiana border in a very very small town called Graysville Indiana
I don't have much knowledge about vises but seeing 2 models broken in the same place is not something I would call high -- and definitely not "highest" -- quality! : ) The base is definitely the boss and so is the mounting of the nut that holds the lead screw. The end of the lead screw is huge. Maybe those beefy things led a user to overtighten or whale on the vise, to its detriment. As the vises are from the 1950s, are the insides of the jaw heads hollow, as opposed to solid castings? They look to be of the ductile iron type like my Columbian of about the same age. Peace.
Yep the inside of the jaws heads are solid not hollow. I think the attempt was to create one of the highest quality vises produced at the time. I think they missed the mark if there is a fatal flaw. Curious to see what other owners of this vise have to say.
For sure! That big Wilton is a beast of a vise. I restored it in YT as well if your interested in seeing it go to my videos section and you’ll find lots of vise restos.
@@shopdoc I like old American vises because they're built better than any of today's AFFORDABLE vises. They're smoother, sturdier, have much tighter tolerances, and they just look better than anything from Asia.
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That vise was made for Craftsman by Rock Island. First showed up in 1948, started being phased out around 1958. Initially they came with a metal heritage badge riveted on one side, then switched to cast raised lettering as you have on. The 5198 is the rarest -the 5" swivel mount. These vises all originally came in that 1950s blue-gray Craftsman color. Within all the 519X Craftsman models, there was a leaf spring put in the nose of the spindle so that the handle would not fall. There may be an issue with your leaf spring as it allows the handle to drop. There was no inherent design flaw, the broken dynamic jaws you have are an anomaly. Any brand vise of any size can be broken if misused or accidentally dropped from a decent height.
Wow! That is some great information! Thank you for your contribution to this video.
I have a REED 214R, same manufacturing date, 355. Nice job! 👍👍
Carl
Reeds are my favorite vise! Quality and precision is unsurpassed!
The 214 is a filers design with that sharper peaked jaw design. Buddy of mine collects them. I was lucky to find him a 215 this past spring
I picked one up a few years ago. I love the design of this vise. It is next up on a rehab. Nothing is broken on it. I only need to make the locking Finial as mine is missing.
Thanks for the vid. It will serve me well in the resto.
Great vise! Are you missing the finial that locks the swivel base?
Yes I am. There is just a nut on it now. Would it be to much to ask if you could make a sketch of the dimensions? That would be awesome if you could.
@@tomwhite1823 Pretty sure I have an extra. Shoot me your address and I'll send it. email: ccmhurricane@gmail.com
Nice Craftsman Vise. I have 4 Craftsman cast-iron vises and I like them all. That being said the all-steel vise I have from Sheffield, England is way tougher.
Thanks! I assume the English vise is a Record? I hear they are good vises.
@@shopdoc You are correct. I found two Record Vises at garage sales and restored them. Sadly, I read Record is out of business and the UK now does not even make steel anymore as of last year. I really like the Craftsman vise that you found.
Nice vice Chris. Thanks for the detailed breakdown
You bet! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hi. Nive job. I'm restoring one myself. The lock collar is missing. It is threaded with a stop screw right? Any other features on the stop collar that you remember? Thanks
back when CRAFTMAN was craftsman.. i have the very same vise
It’s a really nice vise! My son in law has this vise now and I admire it anytime I see it.
Looks awesome! Glad the Kansas vice could be used for something 😂!
Thanks Jared! It’s your vise now!
A very thoughtfully designed product. It does seem that there may be an inherent weakness in the dynamic jaw.
That what I’m thinking. Hoping other owners will weigh in. Thanks for watching!
You´re right ,Chris. It´s about the morons that hammer on it with a 15 pound hammer. You can see the witness marks on both jaws. They were simply misused over their limits. Those guys were precision vises and not intended to straighten a rear axle of a truck in it. The design details are very convicing, an excellent draft.
Haha! Bingo! Word to the wise….don’t use your vise to straighten an axle!
Beautiful Vice. I Love the extra steps taken internally to remove slop etc. however the design does have an inherent design flaw granted. In my opinion the best vices ever made were by Record. If you're not familiar they are super high quality vices that were manufactured in Britain (United Kingdom). Check out the early model Record No.25, No.112 & No.36 Models. The quick release feature is a real game changer! Sadly no longer produced, bought out by Irwin who now make poor copies of them.
I have read about Record vises but never owned one…..yet! I’ll keep trying. Reed vises are the best I have seen so far. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video. Actually picked up nearly the same vise, model 5191. It is in very roughtshape and is missing the collar and handle. I have already cleaned and painted it. I can make the missing parts.
Is there any chance you can give me dimensions on the collar? Can you tell me how long the handle is? Would really appreciate it. Trying to keep it out of the scrap yard!
The collar on mine is threaded and threads onto the lead screw. So the size is determined by your lead screw. The handle is 10.25in. Hope this helps.
@@shopdoc Thanks for the reply. Helps. I have a 4" vise. The collar should just be wide enough to take up the slack in the lead screw right? Maybe less than 1" wide or so. Thanks
great job but lost audio at the end
Thanks! I’ll check the audio. I have had serious audio corruption of late!
Beautiful vises, but I also think that they built the slide a tad weak at the end below the jaw. I think I've seen maybe 6-8 of them where aprox 3-5 lbs of NiRod has been used to repair the slide. If welded correctly, the fix will last a lifetime..
Example... Back in the summer of '68 my folks had bought a house and we were in process of moving. My dad had just un-bolted the vise from the benchtop. The jaws of the vise weren't all the way closed, and the tumbled off the edge, and hit the concrete floor hard enough to snap the front of the slide...... Well after the move, dad took the vise over to a friends place, and once everything was in place, held in perfect alignment... It only took around 4lbs of NiRod and everything was good to go.... About 30 years later, I became the owner of the repaired vise... and today?? The old vise still works 100% perfectly...... So there you have it... 55 years alter after the big break, that vise still works perfectly......
That’s a great story. I have always been told that if a vise is repaired with nickle or braze properly, then the repair is as strong or stronger than before the break.
Do you live in indy? Just moved here and i have a modest collection.
1.5hrs from Indy. I live near a small town called Sullivan. Actually live 10 miles from Sullivan but that's the closest real town. I am very close to Illinois Indiana border in a very very small town called Graysville Indiana
I don't have much knowledge about vises but seeing 2 models broken in the same place is not something I would call high -- and definitely not "highest" -- quality! : ) The base is definitely the boss and so is the mounting of the nut that holds the lead screw. The end of the lead screw is huge. Maybe those beefy things led a user to overtighten or whale on the vise, to its detriment. As the vises are from the 1950s, are the insides of the jaw heads hollow, as opposed to solid castings? They look to be of the ductile iron type like my Columbian of about the same age. Peace.
Yep the inside of the jaws heads are solid not hollow. I think the attempt was to create one of the highest quality vises produced at the time. I think they missed the mark if there is a fatal flaw. Curious to see what other owners of this vise have to say.
Nice vise but I would take the big Wilton on your bench over this one.
For sure! That big Wilton is a beast of a vise. I restored it in YT as well if your interested in seeing it go to my videos section and you’ll find lots of vise restos.
I would never buy broken vises. But I'm rich enough, to buy new ones.
Super nice for you! I’m kinda the opposite…..I buy old American used vises because I’m too poor to buy new high quality American vises! Haha!
Good thing i was buying the pallet for the other stuff! Vice was just a bonus
@@shopdoc I like old American vises because they're built better than any of today's AFFORDABLE vises. They're smoother, sturdier, have much tighter tolerances, and they just look better than anything from Asia.
@@jimbusmaximus4624 Absolutely agree! Old American vises are the best!