@@emjay6602 He didn't do anything though, he was trying to run away! I mean I didn't watch the show, but it looked like they attacked first for no damn reason.
@@yvonne3745 A lot people seem to really hate flaws in characters, because they don't like imagining themselves as them as much perhaps? For me flaws enhance a character so much though.
I disagree, this is exactly what I appreciate about an anime. Something that can really get in your head. There are a different "Camps" when it comes to Anime. But honestly, this could end up being one of my favorites.
The "realism" is what I loved about Grimgar. Most Isekai have a fallback mechanism, restarting, invincibility, etc., Grimgar does NOT. Death is permanent (from what we know), no healer resurrection, making the trinity setup extremely important for protecting the healer. It also nails the "beginner zones" of what my mind remembers via nostalgia of vanilla WoW. Carelessness will come with consequences...
All the time while watching Grimgar I was reminded of the first WoW vanilla dungeons I'd do as a noob. It's spot on party leveling. Only death is kinda final. I loved the show, and the novels I managed to find that continue the story.
ロボット鳥山 nothing special? You're probably that type of guy who likes super overpowered characters flashing left and right acting cool with bright light shooting out everywhere when they're fighting
It's an isekai where they have to survive. The party has to get back to their own world. It's not even an mmorpg. They party is average compared to other parties. *spoiler alert* 3 people have already died from their party ( 1 was revived at the 11th level of the light novel). They keep on struggling every single day. You should read the light novel so you should be enlightened.
So I started watching Grimgar and whoever wrote this has either lost someone themselves or really did their research. Earlier this year, my best friend committed suicide. It took a while to fully process what had happened, but the biggest triggers for emotional release were when I thought about or saw others who I knew where grieving just as much if not more than I was. The way they had people finally break down and heal with something as simple as being able to hug another person hit me hard because that's exactly what happened with me. I broke down when I saw his parents and when I saw my friend Anthony who I knew was just as close if not closer to Cody. What I'm trying to say is that Grimgar nailed the grieving process.
Conner Kline hey man I really hope you know how strong you are. It isn’t easy going through a situation like you did and I hope you are hanging in there after these years. Keep your head up and keep pushing forward in life that’s what your friend would want, I hope you keep in touch with your friend Anthony still and I wish the best for you.
This was surprisingly in-depth. I felt the same while watching Grimgar, but how you relate it to other shows and the fundamentals of weight is incredibly insightful. Definitely subbed..
I loved Grimgar, but it didn't need a second season. The main characters' arcs were all completed at the end of season 1. Sure, they could've added new plot elements to keep the story going, and the writing was good enough that I trust they could've done it well, but I'll always take a concise, perfect 13 episodes over a bloated 26.
One of the only Anime in which I felt bad for the enemies of the protagonists. It's a really good anime which was too short for my liking though. I'm a guy that prefers longer series especially when the characters are interesting enough...
@@yvonne3745 I don't know if I can tell you. I had to stop the series partway through because life got kind of busy, so I haven't finished the anime to move on the the LN. The best I can do for now is to say that if you can find out about and watch niche anime like this, then you're good enough and searching for stuff online to find the Light Novel. I don't even know if the LN is officially available in English.
though it became my favorite anime ever since, I dropped grimgar the first time I watched when Haru ask "what is a game?"... that completely broke my immersion. what fucking culture don't know what a game is? Though later the perfectly executed fight of the opening scene would convince me to give it another chance, which made it my favorite anime ever, it would only be years later that i would learn that for the japanese, "game" (the english word) refers exclusevely to videogames, and not to every game there is... fucking translators botched that translation and almost made me not see my favorite anime.
Nothing struck me harder in this series then after the avenge Manato's death and they show the pre commercial break scene with the Goblin and the animals. Drawing those similarities between the goblin and manato was sorta heartbreaking. Hell the whole fight was bitter sweet. As a viewer I couldn't help but almost feel bad for the goblins. They show us really well their personalities and how they're a party just like the main characters.
I would have loved if they had to fight a very strong leading spear wielding Goblin that is very similar to Manato to finally avenge him. That entire Goblin squad kind of mirrors them after all. Defeating it would truly prove and symbolize their growth. That they can push through without him. And maybe surpassed him.
Well said. I really enjoyed the more ''realistic'' feel of grimgars fights. The action of slaying another living being has been too kiddish in most action oriented anime.
+Paradoxed25 No kidding. How many action shows are there where an ordinary TEENAGER kills a living being for the first time, and they just brush it off.
When I first saw this 4 years ago, it changed the way I watched movies and shows, the way I read books. Now I use it in my writing. And from the responses I've gotten, this is a genius video.
+6HotelBravo And countless times have Kirito explained that he can do that because it is a game. Do you listen to anything when you watch the story? And when he return to the real world and had a duel with his cousin in their doujo, he demonstrated that he couldn't handle a sword with one hand and move swiftly in the real world because of its weight which was not present in the game.
+6HotelBravo yeah but in a world where leveling strengh makes u able to carry heavy things and leveling dextery makes u move faster and jump higher, this is not like grimgar tho they both might be games, you dont have a clear stat overview like it is obvious in sao or is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon. Grimgar is more like a real world simulation, while sao is a classic and obvious mmorpg
I said "might" be. The reason I persume it to be a game is because right at the beginning they say words like game and smartphone on instinct but they dont remember what it is precisely so it has to be set up for these words. They should have not done that, it would have been more interesting without this, well there is always stupid things like that in anime, sometimes I wonder what these people are thinking they ruin their own work
Thank you for clearing that up, so we are not certain yet. The thing about Japan is that mobile phones and games go hand in hand, and is part of everyday life, especially for teens. The reference to this two items were even in The Gate, Itami was trying to download an update for his game on his mobile phone when he was on the other side.
Grimgar was such a great anime. I really hope it'll get a second season. It was one of the few animes that made me actually cry with the likes of FMA: brotherhood, Angelbeats, etc. It may not have been as heavy with plot, but the way it handled it's realistic character developments was such a breath of fresh air in its genre.
I have to disagree with your opinion on the fights in the Prequels. For example: after Qui-Gon Jin is stabbed by Darth Maul, we see Maul become cockier then earlier. Yet Obi-Wan becomes more determined and collected, even though his master is now near-death. This says a lot about both characters. And when Maul can't out dual Obi-Wan, he uses to force to gain the edge he needs. Maul continues to tease Obi-Wan while he grabs Qui-Gon's lightsaber without him noticing and then landing the deciding blow which cuts him in half, ending the fight.
I was about to comment that, you can see that Obi-Wan full determination making a impact and Maul's having a hard time almost full defense mode walking back regaining his confidence and then striking again, and after losing half of the saber he retreats again regain his confidence and strike again. You can see the weight of their strikes because of the quickness, and loking at their face and breath means they are pushing their limit. The difference is that the prequels doesn't stop the momentum of their strikes and this makes it a little more realistic because they are masters on what they do.
Yea and the fakt that obi wan and anakins fight is so "fake" is because they are best friends and have been fighting together for years, so they know every thing about the other. U can see this because obi wan defeats anakin. The way maul should have killed him back in the first movie
There needs to be more anime like this that care about the physical connections to our world that we can relate while still keeping its genre's elements in mind. Grimgar does it so well just like you explained. The physical and emotional reality and relation just works so perfectly. I want to see more anime or manga in the future demonstrate these connections more. If anyone knows about any anime or manga like this can anyone suggest them to me? Also subscribed :D
I'd recommend watching Log Horizon if you haven't seen it. It's one of those "stuck inside a game" anime, but explores the relationship between players and NPCs and the emotional impact of being stuck in a foreign world.
3 years late but the closest thing I found to the pacing of Grimgar with the beautiful mystical world is Mushishi. It is about a man that can see spirits traveling from town to town trying to solve the problems the spirits are causing. Trying to achieve harmony with them rather than kill them. No action, just lots of slow beautiful shots for you to take it all in as a form of nature we don't normally experience is placed before your eyes.
Whoever directed this at A1 really needs to get a promotion or a spot light. The plot was well used, dialogues were slow and far in between to stress the emotion and information, not crap ton of dialogues ported straight from the book (though I would have preferred even less monologues). Action scenes are well done, fast enough to be intense and impress but not to the point of absurdity that were done to impress instead of to tell. Actions in stories should not be there to only show but also to tell. If actions are just filler between the story or vice versa, one of them must be toned down. There are very good balance between emotion story telling and action adventure element that was demonstrated well by the screen writing and voice acting. The original novel had already blended them so all the director needs to do is to make sure these story elements carry the impact that it needs to have and that was done very wonderfully. Another plus is A1 had improved in spade in terms of art. The art has much better emphasis on phantasy element and foregone realism in favour of a much more colourful and rich environment. They have gone a long way from Sword Art Online average environment, which is nothing to sniff at but this really puts them on the level of Gainax, Kyoto Animation, P.A.Works and the like. It's such a shame that other original contents that were adapted lost the gorgeous art that the artist had spent hours working on such as the works of Amano Kozue didn't get the treatment and these studios did. The world of Grimgar while lacking in iconic location or scenery that might burn into the mind of the watchers were extraordinarily impressive due to the masterful usage of the colour and light. It works really well due to the more natural environment that Grimgar has: ruins. caves, forests. The foliage, the water, the rocks are beautifully coloured and truly feels more like oil paintings than animation art. If A1 don't adapt ordinary works like Gate, SAO, Ao no Exorcist, Fairy Tail, Oreshura, Magi and instead being more choosy of their work they could really bring alive many low-profile but wonderful and revolutionary works out there. If you want to know other good story that got adapted by them there is Subete ga F ni Naru, Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, Zvezda (original works, nothing special but impressive visually), Gin no Sajii, Shin Sekai Yori, Anohana, Boku Dake (it's not a good adaption of a good plot). Seeing how they made both really good adaption and really sloppy one, I suspect there's a lazy asshole director and another even lazier genius director working in A1.
The director Grimgar is Ryosuke Nakamura and he also wrote the script, did the composition, made the storyboards for episodes 1, 4 and 12, did some key animation on episode 1 and 12 and he was even the sound director Grimgar. So ya, did a lot for the series and I love all the work he done for it and the the other series he worked on.
Although I admire your wall of text, and read them gracefully. However, in service of the poorly educated and servitude mass of internet, a tl:dr will serve well.
Cool thing is he actually rewrote about 80% of the original dialogue from the source to realize his own vision for the show, making it his very much own thing, and hearing people who read the novels, it's strongly for the better.
I disagree on the quality of grimgar fights, most of them are very badly done, lemme explain what i mean, the fights are badly planned according to terrain and area, characters move or attack a certain way, and when we switch view angle, they are in positions or zones which would be impossible for them to be at given their previous position, please watch the fights again, its horrible, i like grimgar but it has some really awful mistakes that should be corrected if they are to be given a second season.
Luis Villanueva- in the last episode (12) where mr dork night loses his helmet, when death spots rips open the roof his helmet magically teleports from one floor below in some rubble and onto his head in that one scene and is gone in the next...
Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed the weight in the Grimgar fights. Good analysis. Another great example of weight is the final fight in Sword of the Stranger. Also glad to see you bring in one of my other favorite franchises. Personally I think the sweet spot is a mix of the OT's emotion and the PT's choreography. Because the PT fights aren't totally devoid of emotion. When Obi-Wan runs into the reactor room after Qui-Gon's died, you feel the sadness and anger driving the ferocity of his blows. And one thing that's always bothered me a bit about Episode VI is how Luke beats Vader. He's putting a lot of power behind his blows but he's also swinging wildly, like Vader did on the catwalk in Empire. Except Luke doesn't have a suit to protect him. Vader should be able to hit Luke in one of those moments where his guard is down. The final fight in TFA was also sloppy, but that's justified since these characters aren't fully trained yet. I hope in Episode VIII we get to see that mix of emotion and skill finally achieved.
+TheWWIFlyingAce I feel as though the final fight in Sword Of The Stranger was also how the environment was used, from the falling, movements, one opponent getting an advantage over the other, etc. The fight had buildup, weight, looked awesome, seriously, probably the best fight scene I ever saw.
+TheWWIFlyingAce Agreed, a good mix is nice. I do think we'll eventually see that in the new trilogy at some point. I mentioned the end of the fight between Obi Wan and Darth Maul in my original script, but cut it. That's a good example of the PT getting emotion right (even if it is kinda ruined by Darth Maul standing there as Obi Wan leaps over him and slices him in half). Whatever happened to having the high ground? Lol. Also, I think in Ep VI, you can maybe explain that by Vader being taken aback a bit by Luke's ferocity. Idk I kinda had the same issue, but he's only swinging that wildly for a few seconds at least.
If you dive into the SW world a bit more, it's a not as hectic as you think. Luke and Anakin both make use of the 5th lightsaber form Djem So. It's a very physically aggressive form with its trademark being that over head slash/hack. You see that specific move when Luke cuts Vader's hand off, when Anakin gets angry against Barris (spelled that name wrong, but she's Ahsoka's friend in the Clone Wars cartoon), when Anakin fights Assajj Ventress on the original Clone Wars cartoon, and some other spots too I believe. The flipping action that you're not a fan of is the 4th form Ataru. Yoda uses the hell out of it and Obi-Wan uses it in Episode I before he switches to the 3rd form Soresu as his primary. There are 7 forms that the Jedi use. It makes more sense when you bring in the fact that Jedi and Sith augment their physical abilities with the force.
Grimgar is the kind of story that keeps you awake at night as your brain catch up with you at the emotional stress the characters were feeling and make you ultimately feel like you are part of their team as they fight to survive. It make you realize that no, you can't possibly handle that sort of trauma. This is the sort of story that make you feel reality in its fantasy. Magic, swords fight and all may look fun on the surface, but to get to the point where you realize that you either laugh or cry in that situation means facing this trauma over and over and over.
If you really want more, read the LNs. Though be aware that the quality drops drastically after the arc the anime covers. It becomes a lot more... Anime-y for lack of a better term. You have things like Brie swiping arrows out of the air effortlessly with his sword, a character that uses a huge katana fighting a giant monster. It ditches the realism and emotional depth to be more hype. Though it gets decent again when Darunggar happens.
The only thing im gonna talk about here is in Unlimited Blade Works, the only reason why Shirou "gains superpowers" is because he was inside his reality marble, what he believes while in there is reality, if he thinks he can jump a trillion miles into the air he can do it. As soon as he was out of his reality marble he was weak af.
UBW's superpowers are 100% justified. Not because Shirou was in the reality marble, but because he was mimicking Archer. He's using strengthening magic on himself. The VN goes into a lot of detail on it. It's very difficult to do magic like that on living things, but the reason it's hard, and the reason Shirou can do that, and the reason he got so much better at that during the course of the story is entirely justified. Again, the VN goes into a lot more detail on how the magic works, and what kind of mental state he has to be in to use it. Shirou was basically a mini-Archer at that point. No match for a servant, really, but a bit faster at using magic weapons against gilgamesh.
This is why games like Dark Souls and Monster Hunter appeal to me. That weight and consequence of actions makes every button you press a decision you have to think through in the mad scrum of combat. A very real sensation you would face in actual fights. Yes, Monster Hunter has obnoxiously oversized weapons and exaggerations everywhere but everything's heavy OR light where it counts. The oversized greatswords and giant lances are heavy and leave your tiny character reeling after every swing, it's only by following through with swings and strikes that they manage to flow one attack into another quickly, or use that momentum to roll out of danger,. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the nimble dual blades are able to swing multiple strikes in very quick succession, making up for their lack of power with more hits and more opportunities to hit safely due to faster attacks. They forego a shield in favour of a second shorter blade, which naturally removes the ability to guard against attacks but rewards a more reckless and aggressive playstyle that heavier weapons do not. Zipping under and around monsters, slashing constantly as they swing and miss trying to hit you, it's a VERY different experience to using something like a gunlance or greatsword... AS IT SHOULD BE. Dark Souls has a protagonist which is wholly inexperienced in actual combat with the wild overswinging of weapons and the generally sluggish and amateurish technique. It helps push the narrative theme of "you're nothing special" in this world of dragons and magic. Even the magic is slow, cumbersome and unwieldy. Difficult to aim and hard to use efficiently due to the long cast times. Wearing heavier armour on a weaker character tires your stamina quicker, severely impedes your mobility and makes it that much harder to manoeuvre around a tough enemy.
2:30 "all of sudden they realize it's no longer a game" bruh, never ONCE they thought they're in a GAME, heck they don't even know what GAME IS. they even sought the goblins cuz they HAD to, barely scraping for DAILY life themselves.
Manato specifically makes a comparison between their situation and a "game" (though they say game, seen like the word in japanese refers exclusevely to video games), to which Haru asks him "Manato... what is a game?" and then the memory fades away from Manato, who can't explain the concept. This is a major theme in the first half of the season, with characters using word for things of our world, and then realizing they don't know what it is. In the Light Novel Haru even touches his pockes looking for his phone when he first wakes up, just to realize he don't know what a phone is...
Raizion Yokoto I think you mean its good for casual gamer but not for hardcore gamer. Casual gamers don't care much about endgame. Some ppl just want to fish :-)
My only issue with the video, is how you sort of brushed through what a fight WITHOUT proper weight is, in comparison to what makes a good one, making the compare/contrast argument seem weak.
+TXISwift Agreed, although without the comparison the rest of the argument holds its weight so I don't mind too much. It would've been a lot better though.
+ArcaneThinker The point though, is to prove how good Grimgar really is. Without a proper contrasting element in his argument, you really don't get an appreciation for what the team behind Grimgar did.
TXISwift Definitely, although he skims over the contrast in UBW's action sequences in accordance with how they handle the weight of a fight, it doesn't represent the reality of Grimgar's action. So you are absolutely right.
+TXISwift Well I got the appreciation for the work grimgar's team did as the contrast which wasn't shown in depth in the video was obvious enough for me to understand as I had already seen it countless times before. Though I do get your point and agree with it as others might not be as familiar with the medium.
Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash definitely one of the best anime ever. overall quality is ahead of its time. totally underrated. 5 years later, still no quite like it. infact, talk about isekai, the genre adaptation become worse day by day. more ratio of bad adaptation, fanservices, low effort adaptation than good one. the art and music among the best of the best. the character development and emotional weight impact also among the best. it also shows realism. not all main character must be strong hero, know to fight since beginning. how to weild weapon is not easy for beginner. the monster they kill also not just emotionless sponge. how character live everyday in modesty, doing our usual, normal daily stuff also very cozy. it kind of reminscent of our real life. it also shows that everyday, normal, non flashy stuff also fun to be enjoyed. most importantly people might fantasized that they would be hero if get thrown in these world, but reality if it happened, it might be like how in the anime. struggle to live, every life matter, everyone is 'human'.
Raf wow thank you for the mature and well reasonsed response. My bad for assuming you had the attention span of a child thus the hur hur hur tits and explosion joke. While it lacked any evidence of a plot i quite enjoyed the emotional progress of the characters, although the grief being tad cliche. Different cups of tea for the many, i appreciate your opinion.
also i agree, animes that have the early 2000 type "clanned" eye and facial art style in effort of being cute and adorable. It's annoying and stupid as hell but understandable why they exist.
Raf actually im the same in that regard when that healer died i was like oh ok. I think it has to do with the slow pacing of the episodes and the abrupt and short time we've known these characters. Their personality arent fleshed out well most likely due to the fact it doesn't have enough time to or because certain scenes take too long in an episode.
+Selena C To be fair, sound design also plays a pretty big part in making something feel heavy. Majestic Prince and Knigts of Sidonia have some pretty damn good sound design, which helps give their models some oomph behind them. Even if your CGI is lacking, sound effects can make a pretty convincing argument in your favor. Episode 2 of the recent Bubuki Buranki had some pretty meh CGI for it's mechs, but the sound did such a good job of making it sound like the city around it was falling apart that you almost overlook the details.
I found the KoS sound design to be a bit too boom-y, nearly blew out my headphones at times. I also thought the only fight that truly used CG's 3D capabilities is the very first fight in the anime, everything else was meh. But I guess the weight problem isn't as bad because they're fighting in space.
People don't like CGI because they are idiots. Mad Max and "westerns" are not the pinnacle of visual entertainment. Bad animation is bad animation, good animation is good animation.
When you overuse CG it stops being realistic and breaks immersion regardless of how good animation is. When physical object bump into each other the brain can know if the two objects feel weighty by little subtle things like wobble the impact sound effects used, the strain on a guy's muscles holding the object, and body language of people holding things by the way they have to hold it based on the weight of objects. Weeaboos like you don't know shit about western stuff. Watch Conan the Barbarian movie from the 80s with arnold sqwarzeneggar to understand what I mean. That was a muscular german guy handling a real sword with weight and twirling it around, not weeaboo prop made from cardboard which you stupid anime nerds use when you go LARP on the weekends with your neckbearded retards who never trained in any real sword fighting and think sword from final fantasy 7 are possible to be weilded by a skinny armed blonde haired guy.... lol Fucking asian racist shit with slanted eyes. Open them eyelids for once and stop acting as if swords are cg objects by going to real sword training school and handling them for real. Educate yourself about why practical effects can sometimes be superior to fake versions of the real thing.
I actually think the fight in episode 1 with Darth maul has plenty of emotion behind it. To some extent the one on mustafar with obi1 and anikin does as well. those are probably the best two scenes in the prequels.
I disagree with some points. I thought the prequels had plenty of emotion and weight behind them. Maybe you only saw flashiness but it's there. People get distracted by the flashy choreography and then complain that it didn't satisfy them, when in reality, they were distracted and didn't pay attention.
As a defense for the UBW ending, It takes place within Shiro's Reality Marble Unlimited Blade Works. In that reality marble his thoughts become reality without the normal cost of mana and prana that creating those blades would take. Likewise his physical abilities are augmented whilst inside of it since it is more or less his inner world. Its been awhile since I have seen UBW anime but the LN explains this well enough. Reality Marbles border on the Deus Ex Machina side of magic in the series but still have limitations. So it is flashy but within the universe it does make sense.
Actually even the reality marble explanation doesn't excuse why he suddenly started flipping around like Spiderman. In the original source material, the VN (there is no LN) Shirou invokes UBW and immediately runs into melee range of Gil, catching Gil off guard. This leads to UBW, which is slightly faster than GoB, negating Gil's spam whilst Shirou is constantly keeping him in a surprised and uncomposed state because he is bumrushing him with both a spam of weapons and a melee spam (with Gil's melee skills incredibly nerfed because he is in the Archer class). Shirou also states that if he let up for even a second, Gil would have immediately retreated and equiped his armour (something strong enough to tank Excalibur with nothing more than a scratch) meaning Shirou would have lost. Because Gil is always in this state of surprise and Shirou's negating his one trick, NP spam, he eventually resorts to pulling out Ea, but because of UBW's slight speed advantage Shirou cuts his arm off and is about to behead him until the grail intervenes to try and make Gil it's core (something also changed in the anime where it makes it seem like Shirou lost to Gil and the grail saved him). That's why many fans of the original VN don't like the fight, and why many anime viewers were confused, because they kept the core point of the fight whilst just amping the rest up to 11 with flashy moves and hype that made no damn sense. It's a cool fight but it isn't well adapted.
Oh course it does. Its a reality marble. Its a pocket dimension where the character using it controls everything. BEing able to control your jumping speed etc is not an issue. And since no prana or man is expended they could basically power themselves infinitely. Anything can happen in a reality marble as long its within the realm of comprehension for its user.
No that's not reality marbles work. A reality marble is manifesting the inner world of a mage onto the real world, but unless the user's world has something within it that allows them to suddenly switch up their physical parameters like Shirou apparently did then they cannt do that. By that logic Alexander in Fate/Zero could have done the same thing with his reality marble, but he cannot. Reality marbles have a very specific purpose, as do most mages/servants in the Nasuverse. Nothing in UBW even infers Shirou could use it to physically amplify himself or alter the properties of the reality marble to allow him to jump so high. UBW is manifesting Shirou's world which is heavily based on his ideal (as shown with the differing landscapes between differing Shirous). It allows him to project with a limitless supply of projections, though his projections need to be based on materials he can comprehend and weapons he has seen, with broken phantasms that are the same strength as the original requiring more mana. Also, mana and prana IS expended. Very heavily in fact if you want to maintain the reality marble for longer than a minute or so because the world is actively trying to crush it to revert reality back to normal. And UBW does in fact use mana for projections, it just becomes almost non-existent which is why after invoking it Shirou can basically spam all his weapons. You're absolutely wrong on reality marbles. They are pretty aptly explained in the original VN and only allow for creation of a set world that defines the practitioner. They force everything in the field to obey it's rules, but only those rules. You cannot just rewrite parts of the rules because that goes against the point of reality marbles in the Nasuverse.
And in your inner world he wouldn't have the ability to jump as you please? Its YOUR inner world. I meant the prana and mana are not expended to project weapons directly which would burn through his supplies faster than maintaining a RM. Its like paying 5 MP a second to cast an infinite amount of magic for as long as you can afford 10 MP a second, that's a gamified explanation but that's the best way I can describe it.
No, you wouldn't. This is basic stuff that's explained in the VN, manifesting your inner world allows you to rewrite reality in the marble, but it's only a specific pattern designated by the person's character, magic specialisation etc. You cannot change those rules without changing your character, magic etc and that would mean you'd have to master everything again to reach the chance of obtaining another reality marble. Shirou's world was focused on his ideals and his projection, there was nothing in that which allows him to suddenly enhance his physical prowess to such insane levels. Hell, the only time Shirou physically got a lot stronger was when Archer's arm in Heavens Feel began invading him, which in turn set the reinforcement properties of UBW crazy and made his body slowly turn into swords. If there was say a magic user whose reality marble and magic was focused on altering properties (as an example) it could be conceivable that their marble gave them the ability to alter properties within that marble like allowing them to jump higher. But for Shirou or any other reality marble user? No way in hell. Also, yes, projection does still cost mana in UBW. It's just so small that it's practically non-existent (assuming he's only projecting swords since other items cost more mana) which is why he can still maintain UBW off Rin's mana whilst projecting so many weapons.
I found your channel randomly 3 years ago with this video and fell in love with Grimgar - then I lost your channel. 3 days ago I randomly found you again and now I am on the second season of Hibiki! Euphonium loving it even more. Never will I miss your videos again!
I still remember the feeling of sadness and the heavy feeling while i was watching the whole series. It definitely pulls you into the weight of the realism and how the characters are feeling. God i love this anime
with UBW I think that the seeming weightlessness of emiya is a representation of the environment. the reality marble is the manifestation of emiya's mind, right? that means that he can only move as fast as he can think. this takes away his physical limits much like neo in the matrix becomes superhuman when he realizes his thoughts are the limitations on his abilities
2 of my favourite moments in recent anime that use this emotional weight would be episode 5 of God eater, the main characters realisation of how helpless he is and his inability to save anyone from, the black vagra. And the second being one punch man, saitama vs boros fight, specifically when saitama asks boros are we done here. Boros, like saitama has been searching for someone worthy to fight for a long time so he can once again feel the thrill of a real fight and feel alive once again, saitama being much stronger than boros holds back, attempting to make the fight last longer so boros can get achieve this. At the point where he asks him "are we done", the realisation seems to have hit saitama at this time that if boros is the strongest the universe has to offer, he himself may never get that one fight he's been searching for.
Great essay dude. I do understand that Grimgar is not for everyone, but you kinda nailed what makes it great. You also did a great job at picking this one aspect - weight - and showing different approaches and example of good and not that good ways it's used.
Actually looking at how many series which we thought were doomed are getting a continuation nowadays, we can hope that grimgar, s second season is not a lost cause
This is my all time favorite video essay, and the series it talks about makes it into my list of favorite anime. This video inspires me to try and make similar content, even if I have failed to do so as of now.
about the things that shirou can do in the final battle, well i am a bit disagree with you. Yes if you only take the information from the anime it is absurd that shirou can suddenly do that acrobatic physical defying move. But if we take additional information that is not in anime but canon (mainly from typemoon wikia). then we can understand or at least accept how shirou can do that. First he is inside UBW, the world that he created. Quoting from Typemoon wikia "Reality Marbles allows only for the creation of a set world that defines the practitioner. They force all things to obey their rules, but it is limited only to that one pattern ". so it is a different world with its own set of rules that is different from the physical law of normal world. But it not really clear that if UBW have the same gravity, or weather Shirou have a total control of the law in UBW, but we can assume he does to a certain degree that maybe make make him capable to jump that high. Secondly UBW have the ability to perfectly copy not only the weapon ability but the user ability as well. quoting from typemoon wikia again "Their entire histories, compositions, and designs are all perfectly recorded, allowing for instant proficiency with the weapons by inheriting all combat skills and techniques utilized by their original owners. " So when Shirou use any weapon in UBW Shirou became a martial artist with the ability of that weapon former users that's why he can do that crazy combat move like a master. Yes he will not be as good as the original User that's why he said that by creating this world we will never be able to defeat the master of the original weapon that has put all his lifetime to master his weapon, but agains gilgamesh that is not a master of any weapon he totally have an overwhelming advantage.
Interesting video. Although I would say that Grimgar does the weight aspect of its fights pretty well, I thought that they were overall hard to follow. For example, in some of the earlier goblin fights in the ruins, the camera would jump around to different people without giving the viewer to understand where they were or what was happening. Characters would sometimes just run in from a new camera angle which would make sense after a second but destroy the viewer's sense of direction during the cut. Same for some of the later fights, where it's hard to get an overall understanding of what's happening. However, I did find the moment to moment swings of the fight scenes had a nice feel to them as thy hit or missed, as well as the emotional weight you talked about.
I'm not saying that I didn't know what was happening or who was attacking, the fights themselves were just disorienting from a flow perspective. Like, the events can be made sense of, but what directions things are happening relative to everything else as well as the way cuts between characters were done too quickly without giving the viewer a chance to understand the layout of the fights. At least that's what I though.
I do think that they did a poor job with the flow of the fight. Like the fight in the mansion, i knew that Haruhiro and Yume was going on the other side of the upper floor to sneak attack but it took me a few secs to notices. Maybe they should add more scene in the middle to let us know where the character are at, but it was still easy to follow for me. What they do seriously need is pan out shot in the fight...
the problem is whoever directed the fight scenes has no spatial awareness, seriously, they just fucking materlized, rooms changed form and shape, distances changed, its all messed up.
I saw no problem with anything you mentioned. Sounds like you just had troubled visualizing the space because you weren't given a detailed map (one piece style). Maybe just pay more attention.
I WILL REIGN fair enough. Put this one before those others though cause it’s just that good (assuming you haven’t already seen Steins Gate). As long as you can accept we’re never getting a second season.
One point of contention, the concept that a big person or a big weapon must be slower is BS. (Though you didn't say it outright it's a common myth so I'll explain it). Firstly, asumming all people and weapons are in good shape, a big person will have more power to move the weapon. A big person can also be as fast or faster as a smaller one. While they have more mass a higher percentage of mass is muscle. Look at Usain Bolt. He's not huge, but he's not small either. He is quite fast though. Obviously there will be dimishing returns at some point, but that's more dependent on the persons frame. Secondly, the weapon. A falchion is lighter and smaller than a greatsword, but the greatsword is more nible because of its balance. The falchion is a chopping tool so it's really a one swing kind of weapon while the greatsword is really more of a spear than a sword. The giant swings we see in film would really only be done to execute a finished opponent, or if it were such an ill equiped opponent that they're screwed anyway. All that out of the way, awesome video man.
enginesnblades while being more muscular won’t hurt your speed( if within a certain range) , being larger doesn’t mean more muscle mass. Especially in the modern world, it means fatter. It won’t effect arm swings as much, but footwork will definitely be impacted. Footwork is very important in all forms if combat. Also by having a a long sword that as you said is going to be used more spearlike, you also gain the disadvantages of spears. There is a sweat spot when the opponent is far enough, but if an opponent gets past that you are vulnerable and weak.
@@theblonde8152 that is why I stick with the longsword. Nimble and quick. Pointed with the ability to expose any openings even the smallest. Can be used either as a normal sword or a hammer (with the pommel and guard).
DUDE. I was looking for this anime all over the place! I watched the first two episodes as they came out and then forgot about it for some unknown reason and then I forgot the name, lol! XD I only knew it was something with a G, but I couldn't find it... now FINALLY I randomly found it, lol! Thanks hahaha.
Honestly saw the video in my feed, watched the first 30 secs, paused and watched ALL of Grimgar before coming back to the video. I have to say the anime was amazing, and what you said about weight was intriguing, something I had thought about before but never as eloquently as you put it. I'll certainly be using the terms emotional and physical weight in the future.
I definitely got hooked since the 1st episode. If anyone finds another anime with so much emotional depth and realism in the actions, please let me know. Thanks~~~~~ XD
I agree with everything you said. I only disagree slightly with the implication that Grimgar's fights are good overall. They do manage physical and emotional weight well as you established, but they don't fair that well in other aspects. For example, we don't get a good sense of the space the battle takes place in. This problems arises from the amount of cuts to different characters, who in addition often move between cuts. The first fight reviewed, the one reviewed in this video, is perhaps the one that suffers from this problems the least, but I still ask myself where characters go, or why one person is suddenly fighting the goblin by themselves, and so on. All in all, I would say that only the first fight is good thanks to the emotional and physical weight. The rest still retain their weight, but their other flaws are more present. I'd say they fill their role and are still better than the fights in most other anime, but I wouldn't say they are good. P.s. Even two-handed swords are very light. Ranta shouldn't have stuck his sword to the ground due to it being heavy and unwieldy.
This is why this is one of my favorite animes ever. The action scenes were so awesome to me, the struggle was so real. It really catches your emotions and you get deeply involved with this fight scenes. You're not just watching. You really want them to win but at the same time you feel awful for the goblins who are getting killed.
because that was the plot apparently instead of finding out how and why they got transported to this new world (in the anime they literally said fuck it who cares imma just live my life... ok maybe not literally but thats basically what they said) they decide to fuck around taking days off having music instrumental montages of them lounging around until they decide enough is enough they need some what of a climax
Because they needed money. I don't remember mich from when I read a bit of the manga but I think they were one of the poorest teams that were formed and that they were pretty much starving at one point.
Starvation. The region they are transported in is the "frontier", the region where humans and their allied races wage war against the alliance of orcs, goblins, kobolds, gray elves, etc. And in order to exploit these otherworlders that come to grimgar since forever they set up a very shitty economy where you are only allowed to exert a profession or even buy food if you have paid a very large sum to join a guild. To japanese otherworlders with no money they offer 10 silver coins (just enough to join a combat guild but not enough to join an economy oriented guild) and the job of volunteer soldier trainees, if they refuse the job they are thrown into Alterna with no money or knowledge, their only option would be to become essentially slaves to a storeowner in exchange of a pittance of money, depending on their employer's tastes they might even be sexually exploited. They really, really have no other choice, at least they are paid fairly for raiding and killing Arabakia's enemies. It is also pretty cool how the story does not forget its setting and the characters are actually drafted into war and participate in a large scale military operation. Even if they stay volunteer soldiers and become good enough to be praised like demigods as in Soma's case they are still treated with a lot of prejudice and seen as undisciplined, convenient cannon fodder.
came for grimgar, was pleasantly surprised by star wars... until you got to the prequels 'but they lack the same emotional impact of the originals because they don't carry the same weight'. you couldn't have picked a worse duel to try and make that point over than anakin vs obi-wan. I really hate claiming right vs. wrong on topics like this since it always ends in arguments over subjectivity, but if you couldn't feel the emotional climax in that fight then you honest to goodness weren't watching the movie right. it's a little upsetting to see people who say they like the prequels and their fights claim that their flashiness is the appeal, and that there's no emotional weight behind them.
The immense emotional weight of that fight was the only good thing about it (well and the fact that obi-wan was finally kicking that little child-murdering shit's ass). All that extra flair just made it goofy.
The prequels had a lot of problems, but that fight wasn't one of them. I'll say that that prequel fight was better than the disney attempt at the movies.
I'd say that the Grievous fight is the best example of all flash and no substance. It's a treat to look at, but there is no emotional conflict between or within either of the fighters.
Except that's "pseudo" realism. Most people expect a dagger to be faster than a greatsword because it became a fantasy trope. Realistically though a greatsword would be just a fast a longsword or a shortsword, if not even faster due to being wielded two-handed. Real greatswords aren't heavy (as in actual greatswords used for combat, not parade ones). Which is also why nobody would realistically use daggers as main weapons. It's a trope of "rogue/assassin" characters, but there's no advantage to wielding daggers in combat compared to weapons with longer reach. That's personally why I couldn't get into the first episode of Grimgar. The fantasy tropes were too glaring.
so true, i am glad there are people whose their knowledge extends beyond games and movies. ...grimgar is good if someone can find the strength to not over analyze everything . it took me a while but i did it, now i can enjoy anime and movies (well 1/3 of them at least)
Grimgar's world is still a "video game" world. The point of having such trope characters is because there is classes and abilities related to these classes. Haruhiro is a rogue class, so he wouldn't be able to use his abilities with heavier weapons, and that leads to him using daggers as a main weapon. In real world, wielding daggers as main weapon would be a huge disadvantage when against swords, but the existence of abilities puts them at the same level. oh wow, your comment was a year ago... sorry for bothering you then.
Klavikule that isn’t necessarily true. Great swords definitely weigh more. Having two hands on a blade isn’t exactly convenient either. It adds the extra power needed to swing the heavier sword, but it can actually make the sword harder to use. That being said though, reach is still important and a dagger isn’t likely to be effective in a fair fight.
we need more shows like this seriously this is by far one of the best series ive seen in a while of also i watched this 6 months ago and i still feel this way
This is why Sword "art" is shit. Also thanks to this video I'm definitely checking out Grimgar. I had no idea this gem existed and it is what sword "art" wishes it could be.
@@senryuuhoutaro3353 No. It's not the same creator. A quick google search would have informed you. The writers are different. Maybe the same ccompany but sao is made by a bunch of baboons.
Doing thing in SAO is decided by your character's stats and it isn't the real world. They explain that in the anime but you clearly didn't pay attention...
@@XENOX-777 the fuck you talking about?,this guy never mentioned anything about saos stats or whatever...he just said sao is trash and its completely true
I really liked this analysis, but I still have one question: Is it possible to convey emotional weight in a fight scene while still using flashy movements?
I thought that was more of an example of using physical weight. I was referring more to emotional weight like with the /Star Wars/ example. I was wondering if there were any works which were able to convey a "palpable" (for lack of a better term) sense of emotional weight. For example, I was wondering if the incredibly over-the-top fight scenes in shows like the /Sengoku Basara/ anime and /Kill la Kill/ have emotional weight to them.
I'd say they do. Undoubtedly there are people who would disagree, but that is when we begin to get into the realm of subjectivity. I think even a flashy fight can hold emotional weight, if there are well placed bits of dialogue, and evident damage to one or both parties. When fights get boring, in my opinion, is when there are explosions everywhere, and people say they're tired or exhausted, but continue on as if the battle had just begun. I'd love to see something with the over-the-topness of Kill la Kill, that ends up in a desperate slug fest for survival as both parties are worn down. One show I can think of that does this well is Gurren Lagan, in the final fight between Simon and the Anti-Spiral.
Gabriel Wright-Dunn They do. Specially one of the biggest fights in Chivalry of a Failed Knight in the anime and a recent fight for My Hero Academia in the manga.
Actually I stumbled upon this video quite randomly and it got my attention instantly. I am a true fan of the "feel" behind the art. What I mean is being able to breathe, to inhale every small detail and make it feel like it's actually happening in our minds but also in our emotional state of mind. Thank you for posting this. I'm a strong believer that quantity does not necessarily mean quality and nowadays you just have a lot of people producing a lot of material. Too many movies, tv series, animes, etc are being watched by oh so many people and the quality is falling. This is good and bad, as I am sure that when a true work, a true work of art is released it will stand out. :)
I have to protest the "realistic" part. Sure, you feel the weight of the weapons, but real weapons aren't of much weight to begin with... A Greatsword [or Zweihander if you are fancy, heaviest and (arguably) longest type of sword to exist]: Weight - 2-3.2 kilograms (4.4-7.1 pounds) Length - up to 213 centimetres (84 inches) And they can be swung around with ridiculous speed for its size and more than likely to break through most type of guards other smaller weapons can use. Great reach too. The fight in Fate/Zero was extremely tactical, it is also one where Lancer have better reach and not necessarily better attack speed, but yes, stabbing motions is faster than swinging motions... The UBW fight...You called it unrealistic...You fucking forgot that magic, lots and lots of magic was involved??? By nature, magic is already unrealistic and a game changer...just...man...It's almost as bad as how people forgot that Fate was originally an Eroge...
One method used in boxing, is to let your opponent tire themselves out, and then take advantage of that moment. Exhaustion happens surprisingly quickly in a fight with
@FlySpyGuy Semantic about subjectivity is not suitable to be used here. Plus, it's not WHAT US, the audience, consider normal...Most of us anyway. My Suspension of Disbelief is far more robust than most of the double-standard "critics", elites, and normies...
@@RyukHunter Then his complain about realism is meaningless too. Each person would like different thing, they would react differently. It's like everyone and their mother demand that people jumping into another world must react in such an edgy way that is filled with stupidity that would kill them without extremely kind and resourceful main/side characters.
I brought up this show to a friend the other day and then remembered seeing this video and sent it along as well, because (although I don't completely agree with some of the analysis points on Fate/Zero) you hit on and clearly laid out many of the things that set this show apart from its predecessors, contemporaries, and the shows that came after.
I felt bad for that goblin. Dude looked like he just wanted some water and chill with his bros.
Crack open an ice cold water with the boys
It was either them there or Goblin Slayer later on xD dude didnt had much options here
@@togucvinw7 I'd rather them. Goblin slayer might use fire, poison or drown me with water.
It either you or them
@@emjay6602 He didn't do anything though, he was trying to run away! I mean I didn't watch the show, but it looked like they attacked first for no damn reason.
Grimgar ia actually good.
People just cant appreciate more realistic fight scenes.
The characters are also believable
@@yvonne3745 A lot people seem to really hate flaws in characters, because they don't like imagining themselves as them as much perhaps? For me flaws enhance a character so much though.
I disagree, this is exactly what I appreciate about an anime. Something that can really get in your head. There are a different "Camps" when it comes to Anime. But honestly, this could end up being one of my favorites.
I was super bummed they didn't give this a second season.
Well atleast some does.
The "realism" is what I loved about Grimgar. Most Isekai have a fallback mechanism, restarting, invincibility, etc., Grimgar does NOT. Death is permanent (from what we know), no healer resurrection, making the trinity setup extremely important for protecting the healer. It also nails the "beginner zones" of what my mind remembers via nostalgia of vanilla WoW. Carelessness will come with consequences...
All the time while watching Grimgar I was reminded of the first WoW vanilla dungeons I'd do as a noob. It's spot on party leveling. Only death is kinda final. I loved the show, and the novels I managed to find that continue the story.
*cough* Hogger *cough* terror of newbies
@GamerBear abuse to get a good dodge? monster hunter world.
Yeah, Death is permanent, even the most powerfull guy in the Grimgar World can't revive someone
Label07 I want this to compete with goblin slayer!
*Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash is underrated.*
Not to mention the music is so good and relaxing.
I hope they get a second season at some point.
ロボット鳥山 nothing special? You're probably that type of guy who likes super overpowered characters flashing left and right acting cool with bright light shooting out everywhere when they're fighting
It's an isekai where they have to survive. The party has to get back to their own world. It's not even an mmorpg. They party is average compared to other parties. *spoiler alert* 3 people have already died from their party ( 1 was revived at the 11th level of the light novel). They keep on struggling every single day. You should read the light novel so you should be enlightened.
So true
fdgedg dfgsdfg who 3 died? Spoil me plss
So I started watching Grimgar and whoever wrote this has either lost someone themselves or really did their research. Earlier this year, my best friend committed suicide. It took a while to fully process what had happened, but the biggest triggers for emotional release were when I thought about or saw others who I knew where grieving just as much if not more than I was. The way they had people finally break down and heal with something as simple as being able to hug another person hit me hard because that's exactly what happened with me. I broke down when I saw his parents and when I saw my friend Anthony who I knew was just as close if not closer to Cody. What I'm trying to say is that Grimgar nailed the grieving process.
I know it's late but I hope you're alright and happy now. 😢
Anonymous I’m doing good, I still miss my friend every once in a while, but life continues on.
Conner Kline hey man I really hope you know how strong you are. It isn’t easy going through a situation like you did and I hope you are hanging in there after these years. Keep your head up and keep pushing forward in life that’s what your friend would want, I hope you keep in touch with your friend Anthony still and I wish the best for you.
Hey , hope you're doing fine now
This was surprisingly in-depth. I felt the same while watching Grimgar, but how you relate it to other shows and the fundamentals of weight is incredibly insightful.
Definitely subbed..
Grimgar deserves a second season
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why? cause there was fuck all plot in the first?
there wasn't much plot, but Grimgar has some of the best characterisation and world building I've seen in a show in a long time.
Good things never get a 2nd season...
I loved Grimgar, but it didn't need a second season. The main characters' arcs were all completed at the end of season 1. Sure, they could've added new plot elements to keep the story going, and the writing was good enough that I trust they could've done it well, but I'll always take a concise, perfect 13 episodes over a bloated 26.
Wtf bro, this is the shit I'm talking about. This good ass shit right here. I would totally be a patreon if I had money.
***** This is what I mean by he's going to get big.
***** Cool.
Check out Eyepatch Wolf's videos on 'What makes good character design?' and 'What makes a good fight scene?'
What's the track that starts at 3:52?
It's titled "The Battle is to the Strong," if I'm hearing it right, from Fate/Zero.
One of the only Anime in which I felt bad for the enemies of the protagonists. It's a really good anime which was too short for my liking though. I'm a guy that prefers longer series especially when the characters are interesting enough...
I have good news for you: The anime was a partial adaptation of a Light Novel series. There's plenty more Grimgar for you to read.
@@Thalanox where can I find it?
@@yvonne3745 I don't know if I can tell you. I had to stop the series partway through because life got kind of busy, so I haven't finished the anime to move on the the LN.
The best I can do for now is to say that if you can find out about and watch niche anime like this, then you're good enough and searching for stuff online to find the Light Novel. I don't even know if the LN is officially available in English.
@@Thalanox I found 11 volumes of grimgar
@@Thalanox but I haven't downloaded 12 into my phone
I dont get why this got so much hate, This has some of the best combat in anime when it comes to ''realism''
Give me names, WHO said it was bad
though it became my favorite anime ever since, I dropped grimgar the first time I watched when Haru ask "what is a game?"... that completely broke my immersion. what fucking culture don't know what a game is? Though later the perfectly executed fight of the opening scene would convince me to give it another chance, which made it my favorite anime ever, it would only be years later that i would learn that for the japanese, "game" (the english word) refers exclusevely to videogames, and not to every game there is... fucking translators botched that translation and almost made me not see my favorite anime.
@@marcelosilveira2276 Was getting ready to enlighten you about the japanese "game", but then I read the last part lol.
@@thepacific2933 Both Gigguk and Joey The anime Man didnt like it
@@rkpinata373 not their taste ig
This anime is seriously underrated, so real when it comes to the emotions of life and death.
did someone said goblin?........time to call beard cutter.....
No, orcborlg
I came for this comment 😂
I knew this comment will show up.
Kirito?
Overrated, another harem manga/anime/LN, boring later on
Found this channel randomly after watching Grimgar. Love your analysis and insights!
Same here, I feel so empty now that it's over
It sold well and boosted the LN sales alot, so I think theres a pretty good chance for a sequel.
+jay j You'll feel a whole lot more empty once ya start seeing how many of the characters die in the LNs
Spoiler:
Although one does come back...
This series is so under-rated.
Daniel Collins sure is
@Pasir Sand good anime
Nothing struck me harder in this series then after the avenge Manato's death and they show the pre commercial break scene with the Goblin and the animals. Drawing those similarities between the goblin and manato was sorta heartbreaking.
Hell the whole fight was bitter sweet. As a viewer I couldn't help but almost feel bad for the goblins. They show us really well their personalities and how they're a party just like the main characters.
I would have loved if they had to fight a very strong leading spear wielding Goblin that is very similar to Manato to finally avenge him. That entire Goblin squad kind of mirrors them after all.
Defeating it would truly prove and symbolize their growth. That they can push through without him. And maybe surpassed him.
Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash is an incredibly humane fantasy anime and I'm glad you pointed that out.
Yes but people usually overlook it
Well said. I really enjoyed the more ''realistic'' feel of grimgars fights. The action of slaying another living being has been too kiddish in most action oriented anime.
+Paradoxed25 No kidding. How many action shows are there where an ordinary TEENAGER kills a living being for the first time, and they just brush it off.
Grimgar was a great anime.. really wish it would get a second season
I now want to watch this series!!!
When I first saw this 4 years ago, it changed the way I watched movies and shows, the way I read books.
Now I use it in my writing.
And from the responses I've gotten, this is a genius video.
Best implementation of this 'weight/physics' in battles can be seen in End of Evangelion, when Asuka fights the mass production models.
+stream Absolutely, that's a perfect example.
the underrated anime of 2016 :( so many isekai genre in 2016 but this is one of the best that i have watched
And then there is Kirito dual-wielding two long swords, swinging them at fast a sonic
+6HotelBravo And countless times have Kirito explained that he can do that because it is a game. Do you listen to anything when you watch the story? And when he return to the real world and had a duel with his cousin in their doujo, he demonstrated that he couldn't handle a sword with one hand and move swiftly in the real world because of its weight which was not present in the game.
+6HotelBravo yeah but in a world where leveling strengh makes u able to carry heavy things and leveling dextery makes u move faster and jump higher, this is not like grimgar tho they both might be games, you dont have a clear stat overview like it is obvious in sao or is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon.
Grimgar is more like a real world simulation, while sao is a classic and obvious mmorpg
Jan Mischa Are we sure Grimgar is a game for certain? Maybe its like The Gate, where people get transported to another dimension.
I said "might" be.
The reason I persume it to be a game is because right at the beginning they say words like game and smartphone on instinct but they dont remember what it is precisely so it has to be set up for these words. They should have not done that, it would have been more interesting without this, well there is always stupid things like that in anime, sometimes I wonder what these people are thinking they ruin their own work
Thank you for clearing that up, so we are not certain yet.
The thing about Japan is that mobile phones and games go hand in hand, and is part of everyday life, especially for teens. The reference to this two items were even in The Gate, Itami was trying to download an update for his game on his mobile phone when he was on the other side.
Grimgar was such a great anime. I really hope it'll get a second season. It was one of the few animes that made me actually cry with the likes of FMA: brotherhood, Angelbeats, etc. It may not have been as heavy with plot, but the way it handled it's realistic character developments was such a breath of fresh air in its genre.
I have to disagree with your opinion on the fights in the Prequels. For example: after Qui-Gon Jin is stabbed by Darth Maul, we see Maul become cockier then earlier. Yet Obi-Wan becomes more determined and collected, even though his master is now near-death. This says a lot about both characters. And when Maul can't out dual Obi-Wan, he uses to force to gain the edge he needs. Maul continues to tease Obi-Wan while he grabs Qui-Gon's lightsaber without him noticing and then landing the deciding blow which cuts him in half, ending the fight.
I was about to comment that, you can see that Obi-Wan full determination making a impact and Maul's having a hard time almost full defense mode walking back regaining his confidence and then striking again, and after losing half of the saber he retreats again regain his confidence and strike again. You can see the weight of their strikes because of the quickness, and loking at their face and breath means they are pushing their limit. The difference is that the prequels doesn't stop the momentum of their strikes and this makes it a little more realistic because they are masters on what they do.
Yea and the fakt that obi wan and anakins fight is so "fake" is because they are best friends and have been fighting together for years, so they know every thing about the other. U can see this because obi wan defeats anakin. The way maul should have killed him back in the first movie
Sorry, it still didn't carry much emotional weight. He is right with his observations.
@@mysticlegion8088 that's totally subjective.
@@zombieboy937 of course it is but it's a reason this vid has a ton more likes then dislikes. Because the majority agree with him.
There needs to be more anime like this that care about the physical connections to our world that we can relate while still keeping its genre's elements in mind. Grimgar does it so well just like you explained. The physical and emotional reality and relation just works so perfectly. I want to see more anime or manga in the future demonstrate these connections more. If anyone knows about any anime or manga like this can anyone suggest them to me? Also subscribed :D
+Greg Allan The Twelve Kingdoms. I recommend it ^_^
Greg Allan steins;gate is pretty good with portraying emotions.
I'd recommend watching Log Horizon if you haven't seen it. It's one of those "stuck inside a game" anime, but explores the relationship between players and NPCs and the emotional impact of being stuck in a foreign world.
3 years late but the closest thing I found to the pacing of Grimgar with the beautiful mystical world is Mushishi. It is about a man that can see spirits traveling from town to town trying to solve the problems the spirits are causing. Trying to achieve harmony with them rather than kill them. No action, just lots of slow beautiful shots for you to take it all in as a form of nature we don't normally experience is placed before your eyes.
Whoever directed this at A1 really needs to get a promotion or a spot light. The plot was well used, dialogues were slow and far in between to stress the emotion and information, not crap ton of dialogues ported straight from the book (though I would have preferred even less monologues). Action scenes are well done, fast enough to be intense and impress but not to the point of absurdity that were done to impress instead of to tell. Actions in stories should not be there to only show but also to tell. If actions are just filler between the story or vice versa, one of them must be toned down. There are very good balance between emotion story telling and action adventure element that was demonstrated well by the screen writing and voice acting. The original novel had already blended them so all the director needs to do is to make sure these story elements carry the impact that it needs to have and that was done very wonderfully. Another plus is A1 had improved in spade in terms of art. The art has much better emphasis on phantasy element and foregone realism in favour of a much more colourful and rich environment. They have gone a long way from Sword Art Online average environment, which is nothing to sniff at but this really puts them on the level of Gainax, Kyoto Animation, P.A.Works and the like. It's such a shame that other original contents that were adapted lost the gorgeous art that the artist had spent hours working on such as the works of Amano Kozue didn't get the treatment and these studios did. The world of Grimgar while lacking in iconic location or scenery that might burn into the mind of the watchers were extraordinarily impressive due to the masterful usage of the colour and light. It works really well due to the more natural environment that Grimgar has: ruins. caves, forests. The foliage, the water, the rocks are beautifully coloured and truly feels more like oil paintings than animation art. If A1 don't adapt ordinary works like Gate, SAO, Ao no Exorcist, Fairy Tail, Oreshura, Magi and instead being more choosy of their work they could really bring alive many low-profile but wonderful and revolutionary works out there. If you want to know other good story that got adapted by them there is Subete ga F ni Naru, Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, Zvezda (original works, nothing special but impressive visually), Gin no Sajii, Shin Sekai Yori, Anohana, Boku Dake (it's not a good adaption of a good plot).
Seeing how they made both really good adaption and really sloppy one, I suspect there's a lazy asshole director and another even lazier genius director working in A1.
The director Grimgar is Ryosuke Nakamura and he also wrote the script, did the composition, made the storyboards for episodes 1, 4 and 12, did some key animation on episode 1 and 12 and he was even the sound director Grimgar. So ya, did a lot for the series and I love all the work he done for it and the the other series he worked on.
Although I admire your wall of text, and read them gracefully. However, in service of the poorly educated and servitude mass of internet, a tl:dr will serve well.
Cool thing is he actually rewrote about 80% of the original dialogue from the source to realize his own vision for the show, making it his very much own thing, and hearing people who read the novels, it's strongly for the better.
I disagree on the quality of grimgar fights, most of them are very badly done, lemme explain what i mean, the fights are badly planned according to terrain and area, characters move or attack a certain way, and when we switch view angle, they are in positions or zones which would be impossible for them to be at given their previous position, please watch the fights again, its horrible, i like grimgar but it has some really awful mistakes that should be corrected if they are to be given a second season.
Luis Villanueva- in the last episode (12) where mr dork night loses his helmet, when death spots rips open the roof his helmet magically teleports from one floor below in some rubble and onto his head in that one scene and is gone in the next...
Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed the weight in the Grimgar fights. Good analysis. Another great example of weight is the final fight in Sword of the Stranger.
Also glad to see you bring in one of my other favorite franchises. Personally I think the sweet spot is a mix of the OT's emotion and the PT's choreography. Because the PT fights aren't totally devoid of emotion. When Obi-Wan runs into the reactor room after Qui-Gon's died, you feel the sadness and anger driving the ferocity of his blows. And one thing that's always bothered me a bit about Episode VI is how Luke beats Vader. He's putting a lot of power behind his blows but he's also swinging wildly, like Vader did on the catwalk in Empire. Except Luke doesn't have a suit to protect him. Vader should be able to hit Luke in one of those moments where his guard is down.
The final fight in TFA was also sloppy, but that's justified since these characters aren't fully trained yet. I hope in Episode VIII we get to see that mix of emotion and skill finally achieved.
+TheWWIFlyingAce I feel as though the final fight in Sword Of The Stranger was also how the environment was used, from the falling, movements, one opponent getting an advantage over the other, etc. The fight had buildup, weight, looked awesome, seriously, probably the best fight scene I ever saw.
+TheWWIFlyingAce Agreed, a good mix is nice. I do think we'll eventually see that in the new trilogy at some point. I mentioned the end of the fight between Obi Wan and Darth Maul in my original script, but cut it. That's a good example of the PT getting emotion right (even if it is kinda ruined by Darth Maul standing there as Obi Wan leaps over him and slices him in half). Whatever happened to having the high ground? Lol. Also, I think in Ep VI, you can maybe explain that by Vader being taken aback a bit by Luke's ferocity. Idk I kinda had the same issue, but he's only swinging that wildly for a few seconds at least.
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That's true and it doesn't stop that sequence in VI from being one of the best in the saga.
If you dive into the SW world a bit more, it's a not as hectic as you think. Luke and Anakin both make use of the 5th lightsaber form Djem So. It's a very physically aggressive form with its trademark being that over head slash/hack. You see that specific move when Luke cuts Vader's hand off, when Anakin gets angry against Barris (spelled that name wrong, but she's Ahsoka's friend in the Clone Wars cartoon), when Anakin fights Assajj Ventress on the original Clone Wars cartoon, and some other spots too I believe. The flipping action that you're not a fan of is the 4th form Ataru. Yoda uses the hell out of it and Obi-Wan uses it in Episode I before he switches to the 3rd form Soresu as his primary. There are 7 forms that the Jedi use. It makes more sense when you bring in the fact that Jedi and Sith augment their physical abilities with the force.
Grimgar is the kind of story that keeps you awake at night as your brain catch up with you at the emotional stress the characters were feeling and make you ultimately feel like you are part of their team as they fight to survive. It make you realize that no, you can't possibly handle that sort of trauma. This is the sort of story that make you feel reality in its fantasy. Magic, swords fight and all may look fun on the surface, but to get to the point where you realize that you either laugh or cry in that situation means facing this trauma over and over and over.
10:06
Goblin: Haha! I got you-
*GETS STABBED*
Goblin: .... Okay.
*Vomits blood*
i really want a season two of this
Me too... I need it
pale s we all need it
If you really want more, read the LNs. Though be aware that the quality drops drastically after the arc the anime covers. It becomes a lot more... Anime-y for lack of a better term. You have things like Brie swiping arrows out of the air effortlessly with his sword, a character that uses a huge katana fighting a giant monster. It ditches the realism and emotional depth to be more hype. Though it gets decent again when Darunggar happens.
The only thing im gonna talk about here is in Unlimited Blade Works, the only reason why Shirou "gains superpowers" is because he was inside his reality marble, what he believes while in there is reality, if he thinks he can jump a trillion miles into the air he can do it. As soon as he was out of his reality marble he was weak af.
UBW's superpowers are 100% justified. Not because Shirou was in the reality marble, but because he was mimicking Archer. He's using strengthening magic on himself. The VN goes into a lot of detail on it. It's very difficult to do magic like that on living things, but the reason it's hard, and the reason Shirou can do that, and the reason he got so much better at that during the course of the story is entirely justified.
Again, the VN goes into a lot more detail on how the magic works, and what kind of mental state he has to be in to use it. Shirou was basically a mini-Archer at that point. No match for a servant, really, but a bit faster at using magic weapons against gilgamesh.
This is why games like Dark Souls and Monster Hunter appeal to me. That weight and consequence of actions makes every button you press a decision you have to think through in the mad scrum of combat. A very real sensation you would face in actual fights.
Yes, Monster Hunter has obnoxiously oversized weapons and exaggerations everywhere but everything's heavy OR light where it counts. The oversized greatswords and giant lances are heavy and leave your tiny character reeling after every swing, it's only by following through with swings and strikes that they manage to flow one attack into another quickly, or use that momentum to roll out of danger,. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the nimble dual blades are able to swing multiple strikes in very quick succession, making up for their lack of power with more hits and more opportunities to hit safely due to faster attacks. They forego a shield in favour of a second shorter blade, which naturally removes the ability to guard against attacks but rewards a more reckless and aggressive playstyle that heavier weapons do not. Zipping under and around monsters, slashing constantly as they swing and miss trying to hit you, it's a VERY different experience to using something like a gunlance or greatsword... AS IT SHOULD BE.
Dark Souls has a protagonist which is wholly inexperienced in actual combat with the wild overswinging of weapons and the generally sluggish and amateurish technique. It helps push the narrative theme of "you're nothing special" in this world of dragons and magic. Even the magic is slow, cumbersome and unwieldy. Difficult to aim and hard to use efficiently due to the long cast times. Wearing heavier armour on a weaker character tires your stamina quicker, severely impedes your mobility and makes it that much harder to manoeuvre around a tough enemy.
2:30 "all of sudden they realize it's no longer a game"
bruh, never ONCE they thought they're in a GAME, heck they don't even know what GAME IS.
they even sought the goblins cuz they HAD to, barely scraping for DAILY life themselves.
Manato specifically makes a comparison between their situation and a "game" (though they say game, seen like the word in japanese refers exclusevely to video games), to which Haru asks him "Manato... what is a game?" and then the memory fades away from Manato, who can't explain the concept. This is a major theme in the first half of the season, with characters using word for things of our world, and then realizing they don't know what it is. In the Light Novel Haru even touches his pockes looking for his phone when he first wakes up, just to realize he don't know what a phone is...
This anime left me so hyped for another season
Best anime ever.
This is how MMO should have been
+mvpmickey1 Black Desert Online
+zam023 Black Desert is pretty bad for the casual gamer and it's lack of PvE end game content.
Raizion Yokoto I think you mean its good for casual gamer but not for hardcore gamer. Casual gamers don't care much about endgame. Some ppl just want to fish :-)
Sure
+mvpmickey1 play dark souls 3 its closest to real life difficulty tho its still unrealistic
My only issue with the video, is how you sort of brushed through what a fight WITHOUT proper weight is, in comparison to what makes a good one, making the compare/contrast argument seem weak.
+TXISwift Agreed, although without the comparison the rest of the argument holds its weight so I don't mind too much. It would've been a lot better though.
+TXISwift I think that's not necessary as most people know what a fight without proper weight is you can find them in most of the anime that get made.
+ArcaneThinker The point though, is to prove how good Grimgar really is. Without a proper contrasting element in his argument, you really don't get an appreciation for what the team behind Grimgar did.
TXISwift Definitely, although he skims over the contrast in UBW's action sequences in accordance with how they handle the weight of a fight, it doesn't represent the reality of Grimgar's action. So you are absolutely right.
+TXISwift Well I got the appreciation for the work grimgar's team did as the contrast which wasn't shown in depth in the video was obvious enough for me to understand as I had already seen it countless times before. Though I do get your point and agree with it as others might not be as familiar with the medium.
Honestly I was expecting a harem, but I was not disappointed when I was denied that.
7:08 "A little known sci fi franchise that you may or may not have heard of."
I died laughing.
Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash definitely one of the best anime ever. overall quality is ahead of its time. totally underrated. 5 years later, still no quite like it. infact, talk about
isekai, the genre adaptation become worse day by day. more ratio of bad adaptation, fanservices, low effort adaptation than good one. the art and music among
the best of the best. the character development and emotional weight
impact also among the best. it also shows realism. not all main
character must be strong hero, know to fight since beginning. how to
weild weapon is not easy for beginner. the monster they kill also not
just emotionless sponge. how character live everyday in modesty, doing
our usual, normal daily stuff also very cozy. it kind of reminscent of
our real life. it also shows that everyday, normal, non flashy stuff also
fun to be enjoyed. most importantly people might fantasized that they
would be hero if get thrown in these world, but reality if it happened,
it might be like how in the anime. struggle to live, every life matter,
everyone is 'human'.
Grimgar is an amazing show and i do agree with you in star war prequals way to flashy
Raf Hur Hur Hur i can't watch a show without explosions or tits in my face every few seconds.
Darkwater I agree with you about grimgar, I hope they do a second season
Raf wow thank you for the mature and well reasonsed response. My bad for assuming you had the attention span of a child thus the hur hur hur tits and explosion joke. While it lacked any evidence of a plot i quite enjoyed the emotional progress of the characters, although the grief being tad cliche. Different cups of tea for the many, i appreciate your opinion.
also i agree, animes that have the early 2000 type "clanned" eye and facial art style in effort of being cute and adorable. It's annoying and stupid as hell but understandable why they exist.
Raf actually im the same in that regard when that healer died i was like oh ok. I think it has to do with the slow pacing of the episodes and the abrupt and short time we've known these characters. Their personality arent fleshed out well most likely due to the fact it doesn't have enough time to or because certain scenes take too long in an episode.
Weight is also the reason lots of people don't like CGI.
+Selena C To be fair, sound design also plays a pretty big part in making something feel heavy. Majestic Prince and Knigts of Sidonia have some pretty damn good sound design, which helps give their models some oomph behind them. Even if your CGI is lacking, sound effects can make a pretty convincing argument in your favor. Episode 2 of the recent Bubuki Buranki had some pretty meh CGI for it's mechs, but the sound did such a good job of making it sound like the city around it was falling apart that you almost overlook the details.
I found the KoS sound design to be a bit too boom-y, nearly blew out my headphones at times. I also thought the only fight that truly used CG's 3D capabilities is the very first fight in the anime, everything else was meh. But I guess the weight problem isn't as bad because they're fighting in space.
People don't like CGI because they are idiots. Mad Max and "westerns" are not the pinnacle of visual entertainment. Bad animation is bad animation, good animation is good animation.
When you overuse CG it stops being realistic and breaks immersion regardless of how good animation is. When physical object bump into each other the brain can know if the two objects feel weighty by little subtle things like wobble the impact sound effects used, the strain on a guy's muscles holding the object, and body language of people holding things by the way they have to hold it based on the weight of objects. Weeaboos like you don't know shit about western stuff. Watch Conan the Barbarian movie from the 80s with arnold sqwarzeneggar to understand what I mean. That was a muscular german guy handling a real sword with weight and twirling it around, not weeaboo prop made from cardboard which you stupid anime nerds use when you go LARP on the weekends with your neckbearded retards who never trained in any real sword fighting and think sword from final fantasy 7 are possible to be weilded by a skinny armed blonde haired guy.... lol Fucking asian racist shit with slanted eyes. Open them eyelids for once and stop acting as if swords are cg objects by going to real sword training school and handling them for real. Educate yourself about why practical effects can sometimes be superior to fake versions of the real thing.
UToobUsername01 nope. it cant the is like a computer stupid but fast and efficient.
I actually think the fight in episode 1 with Darth maul has plenty of emotion behind it. To some extent the one on mustafar with obi1 and anikin does as well. those are probably the best two scenes in the prequels.
I disagree with some points. I thought the prequels had plenty of emotion and weight behind them. Maybe you only saw flashiness but it's there. People get distracted by the flashy choreography and then complain that it didn't satisfy them, when in reality, they were distracted and didn't pay attention.
Or because Hayden Christensen is such a fucking awful actor and hammed up all his lines which were corny to begin with.
I can hear the passion in your voice when you talk about this anime. You can tell it just means a lot to you.
As a defense for the UBW ending, It takes place within Shiro's Reality Marble Unlimited Blade Works. In that reality marble his thoughts become reality without the normal cost of mana and prana that creating those blades would take. Likewise his physical abilities are augmented whilst inside of it since it is more or less his inner world. Its been awhile since I have seen UBW anime but the LN explains this well enough. Reality Marbles border on the Deus Ex Machina side of magic in the series but still have limitations. So it is flashy but within the universe it does make sense.
Actually even the reality marble explanation doesn't excuse why he suddenly started flipping around like Spiderman.
In the original source material, the VN (there is no LN) Shirou invokes UBW and immediately runs into melee range of Gil, catching Gil off guard. This leads to UBW, which is slightly faster than GoB, negating Gil's spam whilst Shirou is constantly keeping him in a surprised and uncomposed state because he is bumrushing him with both a spam of weapons and a melee spam (with Gil's melee skills incredibly nerfed because he is in the Archer class). Shirou also states that if he let up for even a second, Gil would have immediately retreated and equiped his armour (something strong enough to tank Excalibur with nothing more than a scratch) meaning Shirou would have lost.
Because Gil is always in this state of surprise and Shirou's negating his one trick, NP spam, he eventually resorts to pulling out Ea, but because of UBW's slight speed advantage Shirou cuts his arm off and is about to behead him until the grail intervenes to try and make Gil it's core (something also changed in the anime where it makes it seem like Shirou lost to Gil and the grail saved him).
That's why many fans of the original VN don't like the fight, and why many anime viewers were confused, because they kept the core point of the fight whilst just amping the rest up to 11 with flashy moves and hype that made no damn sense. It's a cool fight but it isn't well adapted.
Oh course it does. Its a reality marble. Its a pocket dimension where the character using it controls everything. BEing able to control your jumping speed etc is not an issue. And since no prana or man is expended they could basically power themselves infinitely.
Anything can happen in a reality marble as long its within the realm of comprehension for its user.
No that's not reality marbles work. A reality marble is manifesting the inner world of a mage onto the real world, but unless the user's world has something within it that allows them to suddenly switch up their physical parameters like Shirou apparently did then they cannt do that. By that logic Alexander in Fate/Zero could have done the same thing with his reality marble, but he cannot. Reality marbles have a very specific purpose, as do most mages/servants in the Nasuverse. Nothing in UBW even infers Shirou could use it to physically amplify himself or alter the properties of the reality marble to allow him to jump so high.
UBW is manifesting Shirou's world which is heavily based on his ideal (as shown with the differing landscapes between differing Shirous). It allows him to project with a limitless supply of projections, though his projections need to be based on materials he can comprehend and weapons he has seen, with broken phantasms that are the same strength as the original requiring more mana.
Also, mana and prana IS expended. Very heavily in fact if you want to maintain the reality marble for longer than a minute or so because the world is actively trying to crush it to revert reality back to normal. And UBW does in fact use mana for projections, it just becomes almost non-existent which is why after invoking it Shirou can basically spam all his weapons.
You're absolutely wrong on reality marbles. They are pretty aptly explained in the original VN and only allow for creation of a set world that defines the practitioner. They force everything in the field to obey it's rules, but only those rules. You cannot just rewrite parts of the rules because that goes against the point of reality marbles in the Nasuverse.
And in your inner world he wouldn't have the ability to jump as you please? Its YOUR inner world.
I meant the prana and mana are not expended to project weapons directly which would burn through his supplies faster than maintaining a RM. Its like paying 5 MP a second to cast an infinite amount of magic for as long as you can afford 10 MP a second, that's a gamified explanation but that's the best way I can describe it.
No, you wouldn't. This is basic stuff that's explained in the VN, manifesting your inner world allows you to rewrite reality in the marble, but it's only a specific pattern designated by the person's character, magic specialisation etc. You cannot change those rules without changing your character, magic etc and that would mean you'd have to master everything again to reach the chance of obtaining another reality marble.
Shirou's world was focused on his ideals and his projection, there was nothing in that which allows him to suddenly enhance his physical prowess to such insane levels. Hell, the only time Shirou physically got a lot stronger was when Archer's arm in Heavens Feel began invading him, which in turn set the reinforcement properties of UBW crazy and made his body slowly turn into swords.
If there was say a magic user whose reality marble and magic was focused on altering properties (as an example) it could be conceivable that their marble gave them the ability to alter properties within that marble like allowing them to jump higher. But for Shirou or any other reality marble user? No way in hell.
Also, yes, projection does still cost mana in UBW. It's just so small that it's practically non-existent (assuming he's only projecting swords since other items cost more mana) which is why he can still maintain UBW off Rin's mana whilst projecting so many weapons.
Also, are you a film student? Don't think I ever asked.
+Selena C Couldn't be further from it actually haha. I'm a Biochemistry and Molecular Biology major (and pre-med).
Holy cow.
+Under The Scope Reviews I feel like your the type to feel bad or cry when u had to kill a goblin. no offensive
+Under The Scope Reviews No wonder this review seems very professional, and concise. Good job
Let no one say that us scientists lack eloquence!
Isekai before Isekai got booming. Underrated.
I found your channel randomly 3 years ago with this video and fell in love with Grimgar - then I lost your channel. 3 days ago I randomly found you again and now I am on the second season of Hibiki! Euphonium loving it even more. Never will I miss your videos again!
I still remember the feeling of sadness and the heavy feeling while i was watching the whole series. It definitely pulls you into the weight of the realism and how the characters are feeling. God i love this anime
And here I am waiting for Overlord S3 just so I can see some one sided slaughter.
with UBW I think that the seeming weightlessness of emiya is a representation of the environment. the reality marble is the manifestation of emiya's mind, right? that means that he can only move as fast as he can think. this takes away his physical limits much like neo in the matrix becomes superhuman when he realizes his thoughts are the limitations on his abilities
2 of my favourite moments in recent anime that use this emotional weight would be episode 5 of God eater, the main characters realisation of how helpless he is and his inability to save anyone from, the black vagra. And the second being one punch man, saitama vs boros fight, specifically when saitama asks boros are we done here. Boros, like saitama has been searching for someone worthy to fight for a long time so he can once again feel the thrill of a real fight and feel alive once again, saitama being much stronger than boros holds back, attempting to make the fight last longer so boros can get achieve this. At the point where he asks him "are we done", the realisation seems to have hit saitama at this time that if boros is the strongest the universe has to offer, he himself may never get that one fight he's been searching for.
Wow. That's really sad now that I think about it.
you sir have put the word's that where stuck in my head on screen for me thank you.
Great essay dude. I do understand that Grimgar is not for everyone, but you kinda nailed what makes it great. You also did a great job at picking this one aspect - weight - and showing different approaches and example of good and not that good ways it's used.
Actually looking at how many series which we thought were doomed are getting a continuation nowadays, we can hope that grimgar, s second season is not a lost cause
I really love this anime its so underrated. I wish I could forget everything about it so I can enjoy it all over again.
You make me happy with this.
This is my all time favorite video essay, and the series it talks about makes it into my list of favorite anime. This video inspires me to try and make similar content, even if I have failed to do so as of now.
Glad this popped up in Recommended. Really good breakdown of your material, dude. Hope to see more like this.
One of my favorite Anime's, just all around good.
about the things that shirou can do in the final battle, well i am a bit disagree with you. Yes if you only take the information from the anime it is absurd that shirou can suddenly do that acrobatic physical defying move. But if we take additional information that is not in anime but canon (mainly from typemoon wikia). then we can understand or at least accept how shirou can do that. First he is inside UBW, the world that he created. Quoting from Typemoon wikia "Reality Marbles allows only for the creation of a set world that defines the practitioner. They force all things to obey their rules, but it is limited only to that one pattern ". so it is a different world with its own set of rules that is different from the physical law of normal world. But it not really clear that if UBW have the same gravity, or weather Shirou have a total control of the law in UBW, but we can assume he does to a certain degree that maybe make make him capable to jump that high. Secondly UBW have the ability to perfectly copy not only the weapon ability but the user ability as well. quoting from typemoon wikia again "Their entire histories, compositions, and designs are all perfectly
recorded, allowing for instant proficiency with the weapons by inheriting all combat skills and techniques utilized by their original
owners. " So when Shirou use any weapon in UBW Shirou became a martial artist with the ability of that weapon former users that's why he can do that crazy combat move like a master. Yes he will not be as good as the original User that's why he said that by creating this world we will never be able to defeat the master of the original weapon that has put all his lifetime to master his weapon, but agains gilgamesh that is not a master of any weapon he totally have an overwhelming advantage.
this show is like Daredevil tv show on Netflix with most natural and organic pacing have seen from anime for this try,
Literally just found this vid in my recommended list and just paused it not even a minute in to go watch the show. Was definitely worth it!
You totally sold me your channel with this video. Great work man.
Interesting video. Although I would say that Grimgar does the weight aspect of its fights pretty well, I thought that they were overall hard to follow. For example, in some of the earlier goblin fights in the ruins, the camera would jump around to different people without giving the viewer to understand where they were or what was happening. Characters would sometimes just run in from a new camera angle which would make sense after a second but destroy the viewer's sense of direction during the cut. Same for some of the later fights, where it's hard to get an overall understanding of what's happening. However, I did find the moment to moment swings of the fight scenes had a nice feel to them as thy hit or missed, as well as the emotional weight you talked about.
+Jason Waataja wut really? i was pretty easy for me to follow tho... well that's strange
I'm not saying that I didn't know what was happening or who was attacking, the fights themselves were just disorienting from a flow perspective. Like, the events can be made sense of, but what directions things are happening relative to everything else as well as the way cuts between characters were done too quickly without giving the viewer a chance to understand the layout of the fights. At least that's what I though.
I do think that they did a poor job with the flow of the fight. Like the fight in the mansion, i knew that Haruhiro and Yume was going on the other side of the upper floor to sneak attack but it took me a few secs to notices. Maybe they should add more scene in the middle to let us know where the character are at, but it was still easy to follow for me. What they do seriously need is pan out shot in the fight...
the problem is whoever directed the fight scenes has no spatial awareness, seriously, they just fucking materlized, rooms changed form and shape, distances changed, its all messed up.
I saw no problem with anything you mentioned. Sounds like you just had troubled visualizing the space because you weren't given a detailed map (one piece style). Maybe just pay more attention.
Yeah cool let's add this to the anime list that I'm NEVER going to finish...
I have like 50+ anime's on my list😂😂
@@Ralph-qj7bc share your note 🤣
It’s like 13 episodes bruh
Vurtax Yeah? So are the other 200+ anime on my watch list.
I WILL REIGN fair enough. Put this one before those others though cause it’s just that good (assuming you haven’t already seen Steins Gate). As long as you can accept we’re never getting a second season.
just binged watched it. it was a excellent anime
red right hand is this on Netflix?
What a great video, I just found this channel out of nowhere. I hope all videos are as in depth as this one.
Yay someone actually talks about this show! I watched it a while ago and loved it!
One point of contention, the concept that a big person or a big weapon must be slower is BS. (Though you didn't say it outright it's a common myth so I'll explain it). Firstly, asumming all people and weapons are in good shape, a big person will have more power to move the weapon. A big person can also be as fast or faster as a smaller one. While they have more mass a higher percentage of mass is muscle. Look at Usain Bolt. He's not huge, but he's not small either. He is quite fast though. Obviously there will be dimishing returns at some point, but that's more dependent on the persons frame. Secondly, the weapon. A falchion is lighter and smaller than a greatsword, but the greatsword is more nible because of its balance. The falchion is a chopping tool so it's really a one swing kind of weapon while the greatsword is really more of a spear than a sword. The giant swings we see in film would really only be done to execute a finished opponent, or if it were such an ill equiped opponent that they're screwed anyway. All that out of the way, awesome video man.
enginesnblades while being more muscular won’t hurt your speed( if within a certain range) , being larger doesn’t mean more muscle mass. Especially in the modern world, it means fatter. It won’t effect arm swings as much, but footwork will definitely be impacted. Footwork is very important in all forms if combat. Also by having a a long sword that as you said is going to be used more spearlike, you also gain the disadvantages of spears. There is a sweat spot when the opponent is far enough, but if an opponent gets past that you are vulnerable and weak.
@@theblonde8152 that is why I stick with the longsword. Nimble and quick. Pointed with the ability to expose any openings even the smallest. Can be used either as a normal sword or a hammer (with the pommel and guard).
Great analysis.
But only one little thing: Star Wars is also fantasy, more than than sci-fi.
DUDE. I was looking for this anime all over the place! I watched the first two episodes as they came out and then forgot about it for some unknown reason and then I forgot the name, lol! XD I only knew it was something with a G, but I couldn't find it... now FINALLY I randomly found it, lol! Thanks hahaha.
Honestly saw the video in my feed, watched the first 30 secs, paused and watched ALL of Grimgar before coming back to the video. I have to say the anime was amazing, and what you said about weight was intriguing, something I had thought about before but never as eloquently as you put it. I'll certainly be using the terms emotional and physical weight in the future.
Great Video I'm gonna check Grimgar out right now seems very nice !
I guess we also gave Shiro a pass as he was inside his reality marble (UBW), still Fate/Zero> Fate/stay night:UBW.
I definitely got hooked since the 1st episode. If anyone finds another anime with so much emotional depth and realism in the actions, please let me know. Thanks~~~~~ XD
I agree with everything you said. I only disagree slightly with the implication that Grimgar's fights are good overall. They do manage physical and emotional weight well as you established, but they don't fair that well in other aspects.
For example, we don't get a good sense of the space the battle takes place in. This problems arises from the amount of cuts to different characters, who in addition often move between cuts. The first fight reviewed, the one reviewed in this video, is perhaps the one that suffers from this problems the least, but I still ask myself where characters go, or why one person is suddenly fighting the goblin by themselves, and so on.
All in all, I would say that only the first fight is good thanks to the emotional and physical weight. The rest still retain their weight, but their other flaws are more present. I'd say they fill their role and are still better than the fights in most other anime, but I wouldn't say they are good.
P.s. Even two-handed swords are very light. Ranta shouldn't have stuck his sword to the ground due to it being heavy and unwieldy.
This is why this is one of my favorite animes ever. The action scenes were so awesome to me, the struggle was so real. It really catches your emotions and you get deeply involved with this fight scenes. You're not just watching. You really want them to win but at the same time you feel awful for the goblins who are getting killed.
'there's not a harem in sight'. alright alright I am sold.
Don't present a character as a underdog only to give them god like abilities
Cough cough naruto cough
Why the fuck did they have to kill the goblin?????
Because they have to silly.
Because money bruh.
They need to collect remains and trophies to sell in town, that's the only way they can make money to live.
black lives matter, this anime is racist
because that was the plot apparently
instead of finding out how and why they got transported to this new world (in the anime they literally said fuck it who cares imma just live my life... ok maybe not literally but thats basically what they said) they decide to fuck around taking days off having music instrumental montages of them lounging around until they decide enough is enough they need some what of a climax
So..why did they attack the goblin if it was just minding it's own business?
Because they needed money. I don't remember mich from when I read a bit of the manga but I think they were one of the poorest teams that were formed and that they were pretty much starving at one point.
Starvation. The region they are transported in is the "frontier", the region where humans and their allied races wage war against the alliance of orcs, goblins, kobolds, gray elves, etc. And in order to exploit these otherworlders that come to grimgar since forever they set up a very shitty economy where you are only allowed to exert a profession or even buy food if you have paid a very large sum to join a guild. To japanese otherworlders with no money they offer 10 silver coins (just enough to join a combat guild but not enough to join an economy oriented guild) and the job of volunteer soldier trainees, if they refuse the job they are thrown into Alterna with no money or knowledge, their only option would be to become essentially slaves to a storeowner in exchange of a pittance of money, depending on their employer's tastes they might even be sexually exploited. They really, really have no other choice, at least they are paid fairly for raiding and killing Arabakia's enemies. It is also pretty cool how the story does not forget its setting and the characters are actually drafted into war and participate in a large scale military operation. Even if they stay volunteer soldiers and become good enough to be praised like demigods as in Soma's case they are still treated with a lot of prejudice and seen as undisciplined, convenient cannon fodder.
7:00 that transition was excellent! Very nice work.
Didn't know what to expect from this as it was just a recommended video. But it was really enjoyable and entertaining
came for grimgar, was pleasantly surprised by star wars... until you got to the prequels
'but they lack the same emotional impact of the originals because they don't carry the same weight'. you couldn't have picked a worse duel to try and make that point over than anakin vs obi-wan. I really hate claiming right vs. wrong on topics like this since it always ends in arguments over subjectivity, but if you couldn't feel the emotional climax in that fight then you honest to goodness weren't watching the movie right. it's a little upsetting to see people who say they like the prequels and their fights claim that their flashiness is the appeal, and that there's no emotional weight behind them.
The immense emotional weight of that fight was the only good thing about it (well and the fact that obi-wan was finally kicking that little child-murdering shit's ass). All that extra flair just made it goofy.
The prequels had a lot of problems, but that fight wasn't one of them. I'll say that that prequel fight was better than the disney attempt at the movies.
I'd say that the Grievous fight is the best example of all flash and no substance. It's a treat to look at, but there is no emotional conflict between or within either of the fighters.
Except that's "pseudo" realism. Most people expect a dagger to be faster than a greatsword because it became a fantasy trope. Realistically though a greatsword would be just a fast a longsword or a shortsword, if not even faster due to being wielded two-handed. Real greatswords aren't heavy (as in actual greatswords used for combat, not parade ones).
Which is also why nobody would realistically use daggers as main weapons. It's a trope of "rogue/assassin" characters, but there's no advantage to wielding daggers in combat compared to weapons with longer reach.
That's personally why I couldn't get into the first episode of Grimgar. The fantasy tropes were too glaring.
so true, i am glad there are people whose their knowledge extends beyond games and movies. ...grimgar is good if someone can find the strength to not over analyze everything . it took me a while but i did it, now i can enjoy anime and movies (well 1/3 of them at least)
Grimgar's world is still a "video game" world. The point of having such trope characters is because there is classes and abilities related to these classes. Haruhiro is a rogue class, so he wouldn't be able to use his abilities with heavier weapons, and that leads to him using daggers as a main weapon. In real world, wielding daggers as main weapon would be a huge disadvantage when against swords, but the existence of abilities puts them at the same level.
oh wow, your comment was a year ago... sorry for bothering you then.
Klavikule that isn’t necessarily true. Great swords definitely weigh more. Having two hands on a blade isn’t exactly convenient either. It adds the extra power needed to swing the heavier sword, but it can actually make the sword harder to use. That being said though, reach is still important and a dagger isn’t likely to be effective in a fair fight.
just watch Berserk.
we need more shows like this seriously this is by far one of the best series ive seen in a while of also i watched this 6 months ago and i still feel this way
Subbed, one of the few analysis videos I didn't click off of right away.
This is why Sword "art" is shit.
Also thanks to this video I'm definitely checking out Grimgar.
I had no idea this gem existed and it is what sword "art" wishes it could be.
It has the same creator of sword art
@@senryuuhoutaro3353 No. It's not the same creator. A quick google search would have informed you. The writers are different. Maybe the same ccompany but sao is made by a bunch of baboons.
Doing thing in SAO is decided by your character's stats and it isn't the real world. They explain that in the anime but you clearly didn't pay attention...
@@XENOX-777 the fuck you talking about?,this guy never mentioned anything about saos stats or whatever...he just said sao is trash and its completely true
@@kroshokrosho783 they explained it in the ANIME not this VIDEO
I really liked this analysis, but I still have one question: Is it possible to convey emotional weight in a fight scene while still using flashy movements?
I believe that's why he used Fate:Zero as an example. There was plenty of flash and still weight behind the fight during the Saber vs Lancer sequence.
I thought that was more of an example of using physical weight. I was referring more to emotional weight like with the /Star Wars/ example. I was wondering if there were any works which were able to convey a "palpable" (for lack of a better term) sense of emotional weight. For example, I was wondering if the incredibly over-the-top fight scenes in shows like the /Sengoku Basara/ anime and /Kill la Kill/ have emotional weight to them.
I'd say they do. Undoubtedly there are people who would disagree, but that is when we begin to get into the realm of subjectivity. I think even a flashy fight can hold emotional weight, if there are well placed bits of dialogue, and evident damage to one or both parties. When fights get boring, in my opinion, is when there are explosions everywhere, and people say they're tired or exhausted, but continue on as if the battle had just begun.
I'd love to see something with the over-the-topness of Kill la Kill, that ends up in a desperate slug fest for survival as both parties are worn down. One show I can think of that does this well is Gurren Lagan, in the final fight between Simon and the Anti-Spiral.
Have you seen Chivalry of a Failed Knight, or My Hero Academia? I think they might have what you're looking for.
Gabriel Wright-Dunn They do. Specially one of the biggest fights in Chivalry of a Failed Knight in the anime and a recent fight for My Hero Academia in the manga.
is this worth watching? Grimgar I mean
Yeah, im more of a re zero guy personaly, but Grimgar is real top tear. 9/10 would recomend.
Great breakdown of the weight of a fight! Never realized it myself why I liked one fight seen more than another till now.
Actually I stumbled upon this video quite randomly and it got my attention instantly. I am a true fan of the "feel" behind the art. What I mean is being able to breathe, to inhale every small detail and make it feel like it's actually happening in our minds but also in our emotional state of mind. Thank you for posting this.
I'm a strong believer that quantity does not necessarily mean quality and nowadays you just have a lot of people producing a lot of material. Too many movies, tv series, animes, etc are being watched by oh so many people and the quality is falling. This is good and bad, as I am sure that when a true work, a true work of art is released it will stand out. :)
Question: Have you seen Kaiji or One Outs?
I have to protest the "realistic" part.
Sure, you feel the weight of the weapons, but real weapons aren't of much weight to begin with...
A Greatsword [or Zweihander if you are fancy, heaviest and (arguably) longest type of sword to exist]:
Weight - 2-3.2 kilograms (4.4-7.1 pounds)
Length - up to 213 centimetres (84 inches)
And they can be swung around with ridiculous speed for its size and more than likely to break through most type of guards other smaller weapons can use.
Great reach too.
The fight in Fate/Zero was extremely tactical, it is also one where Lancer have better reach and not necessarily better attack speed, but yes, stabbing motions is faster than swinging motions...
The UBW fight...You called it unrealistic...You fucking forgot that magic, lots and lots of magic was involved??? By nature, magic is already unrealistic and a game changer...just...man...It's almost as bad as how people forgot that Fate was originally an Eroge...
One method used in boxing, is to let your opponent tire themselves out, and then take advantage of that moment. Exhaustion happens surprisingly quickly in a fight with
@FlySpyGuy Your...point?
@FlySpyGuy
Semantic about subjectivity is not suitable to be used here.
Plus, it's not WHAT US, the audience, consider normal...Most of us anyway. My Suspension of Disbelief is far more robust than most of the double-standard "critics", elites, and normies...
@@RyukHunter I was pointing out that he was being hypocrite in saying what is and is not "realistic"
@@RyukHunter Then his complain about realism is meaningless too.
Each person would like different thing, they would react differently.
It's like everyone and their mother demand that people jumping into another world must react in such an edgy way that is filled with stupidity that would kill them without extremely kind and resourceful main/side characters.
Gringar season two?
I brought up this show to a friend the other day and then remembered seeing this video and sent it along as well, because (although I don't completely agree with some of the analysis points on Fate/Zero) you hit on and clearly laid out many of the things that set this show apart from its predecessors, contemporaries, and the shows that came after.
Grimgar is amazing. [obligatory statement]
and excellent use of the series here to demonstrate such an important topic. thanks for the video!