Podcast: Frank Dernie | Engineering the Greats

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  • @runawayplane6166
    @runawayplane6166 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’m ashamed to say, I’d never heard of Frank Dernie. One of the best Motorsport interviews I’ve ever listened to. What an interesting/articulate guy. Great interview.

    • @stewartgrindlay9760
      @stewartgrindlay9760 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mr Active Suspension himself.
      Gave a lot of good info Post Senna accident.

  • @spice3767
    @spice3767 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Worked with Frank at Williams, great character and engineer

  • @barryhallam1628
    @barryhallam1628 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That was a privilege to watch and listen to someone with engineering talent, and motor racing in his blood, Thank you.

  • @sultanabran1
    @sultanabran1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    great chat with frank dernie. these old boys are the best. these are way too short though. easily go for another hour. i don't think you guys understand how good these chats are for us long term fans of f1. back in those days, there was not the coverage or access there is today. so hearing from these ground breaking engineers is fascinating.

  • @icbtech01
    @icbtech01 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Frank's assessment of what would make F1 interesting again is spot on. Fantastic interview, I didn't expect to be so engaged.

  • @wolfganghimmelsbach6929
    @wolfganghimmelsbach6929 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Absolutely brilliant interview...

  • @arthurhyde8428
    @arthurhyde8428 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome and candid. Speaking as an engineer, we are all just people and feel so lucky to be able to work in our hobby. This interview really resonated. Good work.

  • @SachiGortchi
    @SachiGortchi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I ever wanted to know the story about the cooling device for Keke's helmet at Dallas 1984 -- can you podcast him again ?

  • @jonelson1983
    @jonelson1983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    All of these interviews have been brilliant.

  • @klaushaunstrupchristensen7252
    @klaushaunstrupchristensen7252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant, nothing less!
    As high fidelity enthusiasts myself I just wish sooo much that they would have questioned him about his hi-fi system. What he owns and what makes a great system.
    My own take in this regards can almost be distilled to 3 parameters,. like Dernie distilles the important parameters in formula one performance to two main subjects, aero performance and tyre temperature management. I claim that 95% of an audio systems performance can be seen from 1: frequency flatness 2: loudspeaker dispersion characteristic 3: the loudspeakers integration with the listening room at all frequencies.
    I hope to hear a lot more from Frank Dernie in the future, he clearly sees things in a down to earth logic way.
    Things are complicated but they don’t need to be more complicated than they actually are.

    • @Howling-Mad-Murdock
      @Howling-Mad-Murdock 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Klaus Haunstrup Christensen I believe Frank has posted some of his thoughts on hifi wigwam. You might have to go back a few years though. His username is f1 eng.

  • @ohcamsrazor1966
    @ohcamsrazor1966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Another excellent episode and insight into my favourite sport. It’s a shame the sport is neglecting its fan base and new ones by going behind a paywall.

  • @drewsteroriginals4564
    @drewsteroriginals4564 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great interview, was fully absorbed but you had me at 'my mum can change gear as fast as ayrton senna' love it! Thank you

  • @flyingdutchman773
    @flyingdutchman773 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic interview, the entire series is A+.

  • @Fran_SG
    @Fran_SG ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A VERY interesting interview.
    Thanks!!

  • @TakiInoueDidNothingWrong
    @TakiInoueDidNothingWrong 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant. In under an hour of talking it’s clear to see that Frank is so down to earth and intelligent. 57:20 Regarding his point about the cost cap loophole, I think it would make the sport better culturally and would give drivers more autonomy over the teams if the drivers were responsible for some of their own personnel. Nicky Grist who was Colin McRae’s co-driver has said that he preferred to be contracted by the driver rather than the team because he felt a co-driver should be responsible first to the driver and then second to the team.

  • @41BOT
    @41BOT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Superb personality. Enjoyed everything that has been said, it was very interesting and refreshing. The man is just simply right.

  • @theochristofi1071
    @theochristofi1071 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting Engineer and a wholesome perspective on the way F1 is and is going ..

  • @seansmith4833
    @seansmith4833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great appearance by Dernie!

  • @MegaOwel
    @MegaOwel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a absolutely fantastic series o interviews Plees go on whit them 🚀🚀👑👑

  • @Pfigueira78
    @Pfigueira78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Piquet, before 87 Tamburello’s crash, was faster than Mansell. Period.

    • @geoffclarke8934
      @geoffclarke8934 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No way. Mansell was way quicker than Piquet.

  • @SachiGortchi
    @SachiGortchi ปีที่แล้ว

    Frank Dernie is a very SUPER top F1 engineer -- and generalist / person

  • @amazinplays7813
    @amazinplays7813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic, many more please.

  • @gioponti6359
    @gioponti6359 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very entertaining and interesting, tx alot for sharing!

  • @gearsau
    @gearsau 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great podcast..... Keep up the good work.

  • @tedzehnder961
    @tedzehnder961 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great interview. I`m surprised more F1 fans aren`t tuning in.Especially English ones.

  • @TheChipMcDonald
    @TheChipMcDonald 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Exciting motor racing may have to go back" exactly. Embrace the anachronism of what s total analog driver controlled vehicle is.

  • @gregj3515
    @gregj3515 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    what a character....well done to him

  • @TheGucandido
    @TheGucandido 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    He´s great! Not afraid to tell the truth!

  • @fam.hunger5244
    @fam.hunger5244 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    52:08 thank you Frank! Absolutely agree! And you are right! Todays F1 is just so bad! A shadow of what it used to be' Since 2003 F1 regulates itself to death! This actually killed the essentials of F1 piece by piece, year after year! If you know F1 of the 80's and 90's and early 00's - todays F1 is a shame! Sorry to say that, but it is like it is.

  • @davidorama6690
    @davidorama6690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m a year late to this, but I wish Frank Dernie had a hand in crafting the delayed 2021 2022 rules.

  • @BRI535D
    @BRI535D 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I suspect”I’m off for a steak” was Alan Jones 😂

    • @kassy6373
      @kassy6373 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. Second part also fits if you listen to the F1 official podcast with him.

  • @LurcherVonPapsmear
    @LurcherVonPapsmear 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great chat with Frank, but hold on... Patrick AND Frank were interviewed on the same day?!
    Why couldn't they have both been on the same podcast together? That would have been a fantastic duel podcast!

    • @bramwell9544
      @bramwell9544 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think there was some fear that had Frank said something that Patrick disagreed with then Patrick may have tried to eat him .

    • @edfoster1447
      @edfoster1447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We did all have lunch together and most of the stories were unrepeatable!

    • @LurcherVonPapsmear
      @LurcherVonPapsmear 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edfoster1447 You obviously like teasing us!

  • @johnmorrison27
    @johnmorrison27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant as always 👍👍

  • @slipstream311
    @slipstream311 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Learnt a lot from listening to this; better than watching many modern races sadly enough. Agree that hybridisation and not electric is probably the way forward - and moreover hydrogen as a solution to fossil fuels in the medium to longer term (5/10 - 15/20 years).

  • @theant9821
    @theant9821 ปีที่แล้ว

    no one ever asks about Lotus, why?
    I`d like to know more about the decline of Lotus, Frank was there. tell us about it. Please.

    • @mark4lev
      @mark4lev 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. People are bored with the Mansell piquet stuff.

  • @heliumtrophy
    @heliumtrophy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I remember Frank's comments in the Williams doc which beautifully sums up his feelings towards Nige. "Out of the car, he was a loving, family man when in the sport there where few but behind the wheel he was an absolute arse to deal with." While many find inter-team rivalries to be fascinating, soap opera stuff, for the most part I find it hugely depressing and I cannot empathise with Frank enough over his feelings over the whole affair of the Piquet/Mansell squabble.

    • @heliumtrophy
      @heliumtrophy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Incidentally, I'd love to see his circumvention of the salary cap be put in place. You can just imagine those of a reality-TV persuasion or a subsector of Netflix's Drive To Survive being "Build My Entourage," which I think would be a lot more fun to watch.

  • @markholroyde9412
    @markholroyde9412 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What a bloke, great vid, Someone who thinks the same way as me about electric garbage, it wont work. Its all hype.
    Long live old school F1 cars.

    • @bramwell9544
      @bramwell9544 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mark holroyde Too Right. I’m off to Oulton Park this weekend. Formula one is crap.

  • @motary
    @motary 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    These awesome interviews have one major flaw - 1 hour length is just not enough :P

  • @katletasdomkratas4092
    @katletasdomkratas4092 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    32:04 please get Peter Windsor on.

  • @eb6084
    @eb6084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nigel Mansell is such a meat head
    Like Piquet said
    Mansell lost 3 championships, I won 3…

    • @AndyHack10
      @AndyHack10 ปีที่แล้ว

      No surprise that you like Piquet, you're apparently just as empty as him.

    • @michaelpashut4763
      @michaelpashut4763 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@AndyHack10you the clueless one

  • @johnvaleanbaily4859
    @johnvaleanbaily4859 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yup. Hunt was definitely an introvert ! But I agree about the cost wasteage and silly build rules. Back to the garagistas...

    • @kekepiket9153
      @kekepiket9153 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a previous Motorsport interview Frank says that about multiple champions, so Hunt is not taken into consideration really.

    • @johnvaleanbaily4859
      @johnvaleanbaily4859 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kekepiket9153 Good point - I missed that. Thank you.

    • @kekepiket9153
      @kekepiket9153 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @valleywoodworker yeah he could be wrong. However the guys you mentioned. Out of them multiple champions are Brabham, Stewart and Senna. From all I hear and read I would definitely call them introverts. They were very detail oriented.
      Hill probably is an exception bit he did fiddle a lot with the car. Introvert in terms of character he was not.

  • @Onerideone
    @Onerideone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great stuff BUT as a sofa fan I don’t agree with his view on Mansell about the 86 season the top 3 drivers all had issues in the season and remember Prost changed his tyres in the last race Mansell should of done it to

    • @HammyMansell80
      @HammyMansell80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Totally agree.....Dernie always had a problem with Nigel Mansell, probably for being Piquet's "right hand man" at Williams at 86 and 87......Arse sore I think it's called. And you noticed the question early on in the interview at about 16:00, when asked about Mansell beating Piquet over the 1986 and 87 seasons, he just said that he didn't agree with it, without giving and example or two as to why. Nigel beat Nelson 11-7 on wins over the two seasons, and had more pole positions too.....Mansell was always underrated, even by some that worked with him.

    • @1proplover
      @1proplover 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was a team decision before hand and if you listen to some of the interviews Mansell had said that he had the position he needed and was just cruising along when the tyre let go - lets face it Williams only pulled Piquet in after Mansells tyre blew but by then it was all to late.

    • @bbbccc9813
      @bbbccc9813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@HammyMansell80 I can't disagree with Dernie. His claims are plausible considering Nelson was an engineering genius and super fast. Mansell on the other hand you said was underrated? In fact its the other way around. People praise him like he was some god but his statstics prior to Williams were not that great. I mean he got destroyed by DeAngelis. His Ferrari seasons weren't anything to write about either. He got beaten by every decent teammate he got paired with. And we can't forget 86'. Nelson just got into the team and jumped into a car which was unfamiliar to him. It was his first season in the team and he was getting used to Frank's unusual way of doing things. Nigel already knew the team and the car hence he won more races. But Piquet did only lose out by 2 points to him despite suffering misfortune just like Nigel. Now about the 87'. After the crash Nelson was not the same driver as we all know. He missed a race and still won the title. But im fairly confident when I say this that without the crash Nelson would have won it over Nigel much easier than he actually did. Because by then he got used to the team and the car. Nigel was fast and a brave driver and because of it he excelled over one lap. His races were incosistent tho. One race he would drive like a champion the next he would be like a granny on motorway. I remember watching 85' season again and in races he was snail like next to Keke. I think Keke even lapped him in some races. Keke would slide the car around like he was on a quali lap fight for wins until his engine died and then the race directors would just cut to Mansell driving alone in 5th place looking like he got lost in the woods. I remember the race in Monza Keke and Nigel running behind another with Keke in front. Keke leading Nigel and pulling away just sliding the tail a bit with finesse and there was Nigel behind him going almost full opposite lock and all over the kerbs just trying to catch him. Difference between a fast driver (Mansell) and a world champion caliber(Keke). 1990 season I think exposed Nigel that he wasn't on the level of greats like Prost, Senna, Lauda. I mean Prost doubled Nigel's points that year. The only teammates he genuinely beat were Berger and Patrese drivers that barely won 10 or close to ten races in 10+ years in f1.Nigel Mansell is the only world champion to be outraced, outqualifed and outscored across his career. Its a genuine statistic look it up. Thats actually unreal and kinda shameful for a driver that gets rated top 15 on f1 all time list...

    • @HammyMansell80
      @HammyMansell80 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bbbccc9813 🙄

    • @Pfigueira78
      @Pfigueira78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Totally wrong… go check how many issues Piquet had during the first half of the season. Piquet was faster than the cry baby. Period.

  • @john-kl3ux
    @john-kl3ux 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't realize Dimitar Berbatov had such a posh english accent.

    • @filipborin555
      @filipborin555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha it's an ex Man Unt and Tothenham soccer player from Bulgaria.I don't know why he mentioned him here probably cuz it's a bulgarian too?!

  • @chobson8602
    @chobson8602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    57:41 lol

  • @mk1productions546
    @mk1productions546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Patrick Head was a big fan of Mansell and doesn’t share Dernies views on him.

  • @11group62
    @11group62 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fabulous chat. Please take over Formula 1 Frak, as in it's current form it's rubbish.

  • @hmdwgf
    @hmdwgf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Farina: best car 4 times, world champion once
    Fangio: best car 5 times, world champion 5 times
    Ascari: best car twice, world champion twice
    Hawthorn: best car once, world champion once
    Brabham: best car 4 times, world champion 3 times
    Phil Hill: best car once, world champion once
    Graham Hill: best car twice, world champion twice
    Clark: best car 3 times, world champion twice
    Hulme: best car 4 times, world champion once
    Stewart: best car twice, world champion 3 times
    Rindt: best car once, world champion once
    Fittipaldi: best car three times, world champion twice
    Lauda: best car three times, world champion three times
    Hunt: never had best car, world champion once
    Andretti: best car twice, world champion once
    Scheckter: never had best car, world champion once
    Jones: best car 3 times, world champion once
    Piquet: best car twice, world champion 3 times
    Rosberg: never had best car, world champion once
    Prost: best car 6 times, world champion 4 times
    Senna: best car twice, world champion 3 times
    Mansell: best car 4 times, world champion once
    Schumacher: best car 4 times, world champion 7 times
    Hill: best car 4 times, world champion once
    Jacques Villeneuve: best car twice, world champion once
    Hakkinen: best car twice, world champion twice
    Alonso: best car once, world champion twice
    Raikonnen: best car 3 times, world champion once
    Hamilton: best car 7 times, world champion 7 times
    Button: best car once, world champion once
    Vettel: best car 4 times, world champion 4 times
    Rosberg: best car 3 times, world champion once
    Verstappen: best car twice, world champion three times (UPDATE)

  • @motow3031
    @motow3031 ปีที่แล้ว

    Motorcycle engined kit car racers

  • @Alenyaa
    @Alenyaa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gents,
    Please work on your esthetic views.
    2009 cars onwards have been hideous to look at. X-D

  • @1proplover
    @1proplover 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He really didnt like Nigel Mansell did he, even calling him 'thick' - where were the 5 cars that Nigel had but only won the Championship once? If I recall the 91 Williams had a number of failures and one race win lost as a wheel fell off following the pit stop. He and Piquet consistently took points off each other in 86 and the tyre problems in the last race resulted in Prost sneaking in to win the WDC. 87 was another year of nip and tuck with again a practise crash taking Mansell out at the end. He seems to forget that Mansell was not supposed to be as quick as Piquet. So Mansell was up against a 2 time WDC, he states Mansell wasnt as quick as Piquet - it was pretty obvious to the rest of us he was and often quicker.

    • @fernandosfjr
      @fernandosfjr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For me, the 91 championship is one of the greatest monuments to human stupidity. And Mansell is responsible for it. Only stupidity at unusual levels can explain how the best car by far managed to lose the title. Mansell is one of the dumbest drivers in Formula 1 history. Thats for sure.

    • @1proplover
      @1proplover 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fernandosfjr Nice to see your avoidance of any facts of the Williams car in 1991 getting in the way of a personal dislike Mansell. Have a check on how many car failures there were and it wasnt always the best car at every circuit. A possible Championship lost yes but not entirely down to Mansell eg he didnt do the wheel change where the wheel then fell off in the pit road.

    • @kekepiket9153
      @kekepiket9153 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@1proplover Mansell wasnt without mistake in 1991. Lost Canada and crashed in Japan as far as I remember. Kept losing to Patrese in the beginning. He had to start playing dirty to win .

    • @manuelpedrosd
      @manuelpedrosd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What about the race where Mansell had a 50 second advantage over Piquet and in the last round before finishing he started to wave the crowd and killed the engine giving Piquet an unexpected victory?
      Mansell was a stupid driver, but a very fast one undoubtely

  • @Platesmasher
    @Platesmasher ปีที่แล้ว

    “Do you think the introvert is geographically placed with drivers?”. This is such a stupid, ignorant and racist question. 5:41

    • @mark4lev
      @mark4lev 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont think that’s where the question was meant to go. That’s why he mentioned Rossi, an unusual thing for Italians , a multiple world champion. There is a theory in motorsport that Italians are ‘weak in the head’ and don’t make world champions

  • @lameduck3630
    @lameduck3630 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Always had a grudge against Mansell - the record doesn't show that Piquet was quicker.

    • @johnhassall1782
      @johnhassall1782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And still does by the sounds of it,,, no wonder Nigel felt like he favoured piquet,, he clearly did,,,, Patrick Heads interview is much more impartial and honest,,, and he ranks Nigel amongst the very best of F1 and rightly so!

    • @michaelpashut1696
      @michaelpashut1696 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Lame Schmuck the record clearly shows Piquet was quicker. Look at 86 other than Brands where did Mansell overtake Piquet? Piquet destroyed Mansell in 86 and was way superior. Ask Prost Lauda Dernie Eccelstone Murray anyone who counts and not one of them will rate Mansell higher.

    • @kekepiket9153
      @kekepiket9153 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Frank Dernie always speaks highly about Mansells driving talent.
      It is Mansells character he doesnt like and most people agree with that assesment.

    • @lameduck3630
      @lameduck3630 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaelpashut1696 You don't know what you're talking about - Mansell outqualified Piquet more times than piquet outqualified Mansell when they were teammates, and has more wins.

    • @johnhassall1782
      @johnhassall1782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Over two seasons 11 to 7 race wins in favour of Mansell and 17 to 12 in favour of Mansell in qualifying,, obviously piquet won the title in 87 mainly because mansell missed the last two races but in terms of who was quickest Mansell had the edge,,, stats don't lie 👌

  • @edwardbyard6540
    @edwardbyard6540 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great interview, but Frank is wrong on one thing: electric vehicles for the road. They're simply better than hybrids - which are the worst of both worlds. Low electric range, and all the mechanical and efficiency issues of ICE. Batteries aren't going to get worse than they are now, and costs will drop dramatically. Add in the ease of home charging, the minimal maintenance and opportunities to do vehicle-to-grid and earn money from your car....and you can see why 60% of all new cars sold in Norway among others are fully electric. They're fax machines vs email. Nokia vs Apple. CRT vs LED. Simply put: they're just a better product.

    • @daniels.2720
      @daniels.2720 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "End Life Costs" > the life of the vehicle start to finish you may be wrong

    • @leoa4c
      @leoa4c 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In addition, we will inevitably run out of fossil fuels, and we will never be able to produce enough biofuel to sustain 8 or 9 billion people.
      The answer is simple. As you stated, electricity and batteries. We have plentiful sources of energy to harvest electricity from. It's simply a question of building the infrastructure (which is happening as we type).

  • @AndyHack10
    @AndyHack10 ปีที่แล้ว

    God i love how Dernie uses EVERY opportunity to talk shit about Mansell and to claim Piquet was much better than him.

    • @michaelpashut4763
      @michaelpashut4763 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why you think it's OK for you to make silly comments like you have are right... If you like Nigel so be it.. But dont talk rubbish about Frank or Nelson... Head Williams Dernie Prost Fiorio Andretti Nigel Roebuck all think Mansell is a chop.. Not one person who worked with Nelslon says the same.. That is a fact..

  • @colinhallmitchell
    @colinhallmitchell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Frank may appeal to many but i don't find him remotely impartial. he gives little credit to those , be they drivers or engineers that he doesn't like. he says he was always impartial but the his good feelings for reutemann and piquet were obvious and his disdain for jones and mansell also obvious. i wouldn't want him engineering my car if he didn't like me. he also seems indifferent to that raw determination to win. the key thing and why jones beat reutemann and mansell beat piquet regularly. not really my kind of engineering hero.

    • @peterlovett5841
      @peterlovett5841 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't recall that he said anything about Jones nor do I think he was asked about him. I did find it strange that he thought Reutemann should have won the WDC in '81 when I think Jones was by far the better driver and if hadn't been for fuel metering problems at Monaco and Hockenheim he would have been a dual WDC.

    • @kekepiket9153
      @kekepiket9153 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He gives actually a lot of credit to Nigel, i dont know what you have been listening. And in every interview.

  • @Onerideone
    @Onerideone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant interview but Mansell was better in 86 /87 and 86 the team lost him the championship by not suggesting to change tyres mid race like in other hot races that year