We love precons! Otharri vs Ixhel vs Faldorn vs Firkraag
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I love Otharri, Sun’s Glory. In my opinion it’s one of the better boros commanders to have come out recently. Glad to see it showcased in a game.
Note when you were cascading your whole deck for a 0 drop: Laelia counts each individual exile as one for her +1,+1 counter ability, so she should have gotten as many counters on her as there are cards in your library
@@thetemp7858 from the same scryfall: If a player is instructed to exile cards from their library "until" a certain event occurs, that player exiles those cards one at a time. Laelia's last ability will trigger that many times.
(2022-09-09)
@@thetemp7858 Laelia's own rulings on Gatherer say she gets a counter for every card exiled by "exile cards from the top of the library until [condition is met]" effects, like Cascade. This is because those effects exile the cards one by one.
This is true, cascade exiles cards one at a time, checking after each one. She would have been huge.
I kept forgetting what deck Mat was playing, but thankfully it was highlighted for my viewing pleasure! Amazing content as always!
Dom and Mat's playmats match up perfectly. Very solid coordination.
Also, I love me some precons. They've been doing very nice with them ever since around Ikoria I feel, and they've just been very solid decks since. It's great to see, and makes it easy to get a bunch of decks for friends to borrow and play, or make it a great way to get new players into the game! The Mind Flayaaars and the 40k precons are probably some of my favorite decks in a while, along with the Mishra precon which was awesome due to the entire thing being in old border. They've been awesome value, and one of the things WotC has actually been getting fairly right. A rarity among everything they do these days.
So a few things Ive noticed about your choices with the Faldorn deck ...
1. You should aim to get Faldorn down ASAP. The wolves are the best part of the deck and can run away with the game, give you fodder for some of the overruns in the deck or can just chump and gang block to keep you in games.
2. Several of the cards you played that exiles cards says you can play them until the end of your NEXT turn and you simply put them into exile the at the end of the turn you played the spell.
plus important note about Laelia - she sees EVERY exlied card during cascade because they exiled one at a time until needed one found. So, to cast 1mana spell with 0 zero drops to cascade in to was a brilliant idea becase Laelia gets amount of counters equal to the number of cards left in the deck. Ooops.
Stopped video at 10:20 because of mental damage received of playing Faldorn like that. But in general it's one of my favorite channels. Please, keep going!
Yeah what a misplay. He has probably missed like 20 wolf tokens by this point haha
@@vladyslavpokrovskyi6516you're correct. Just check the rules on gatherer
I adore the Faldorn precon, a few upgrades and its just a good valueful deck
I was gonna say, damn, every time I see this deck in action it seems super sweet
@@nickbond9526 Faldorn is one of the best ever precons out of the box. BUT it is an incredibly taxing experience. Once a few engines are in play, every spell turns into a mini-game of sequencing and game actions. It is powerful enough that you can goof your way into a victory. Just beware before picking it up... it is powerful, but not for everyone.
@@cocoachrispiesI actually agree. I feel like I sit for a bit, then suddenly I’m playing out ten spells in one turn, usually winning either that turn or very close after. The value you get from some of the key pieces being in play is crazy. I swapped 7 cards in to help with getting more exile play stuff, and it is an absolute beast. It does get a bit much to track sometimes with so many triggers and until this turn/next turn differences.
Just built Faldorn and definitely agree on Journey to the Lost City, it has been so, so bad every time I've played it.
6:04 I think laelia should’ve been HUGE because your previous turn had you evolve your whole library for the cascade and laelia doesn’t care why you exiles the cards, just that they were exiled combined with cascade saying to exile until you hit a nonland with cmc less than.
Laelia says "whenever one OR MORE cards", so you only get a single trigger per cascade, regardless the number of cards exiled
@@condrecomics Cascade is done one at a time, therefore Laelia will trigger for each card exiled during a cascade "If a player is instructed to exile cards from their library "until" a certain event occurs, that player exiles those cards one at a time. Laelia's last ability will trigger that many times."
@@caex oh, ok
Ixhel isn't helped by the fact that poison strategies still get a lot of stigma from the Scars of Mirrodin days... and Ixhel actually goes against those strategies in a way: when you're going for infect, the general strategy is to focus on one player at a time until they're gone, while Ixhel wants to keep all opponents in the game for as long as possible to capitalize on that corrupted ability.
I'd say the entirely depends on how you look at it. I run ixhel and instead of trying to keep them as long as possible, I use him for value while constantly proliferating my opponents down. The main goal is to get each opponent with a poison counter to proliferate it to at least 3 to get some bonus effects with corrupted, and then just proliferate everyone down. Someone's eventually gonna be basically at deaths door and you can threaten it with just a couple proliferate effects. To me that's how ixhel should be ran
@@necro6471 Yeah it seemed like they were trying to go for something else more defensive and less traditional infect-y within the precon, but not sure it makes sense to do anything besides classic knock someone out right away and hope for the best
I see toxic or infect, I just kill that player. And can usually get the table to hate them out. I don’t hate players, just mechanics! I’d rather get all my lands milled out then lose to infect. Oh well!
In my humble opinion, that commander is utter garbage they tried to mix two thing that don't really synergize, it doesn't have blue which is the "pilfering" and proliferate color by default and to top it all the effect is underwhelming, then again, I could be proven wrong, I hope to really
@@jabberwockld4316 not all Commander's need to be pushed "do X, draw a card". Some are allowed to be less powerful and more interesting. Particularly with breaking the pie.
Mat is the bastard I love at the table because we're the same sick shits who'll play a Spectacular Showdown when we know it's over.
Fun fact when Andrew asked me too pick a precon and I choose the goad one he said "are you sure? That's the worst one" and I was like hell yeah I want the worst one!
At 4:16, Laelia sees each card you reveal while cascading, so she would have gained counters equal to your decksize at the time!
Gatherer appears to be down at the moment, but here is her ruling:
If a player is instructed to exile cards from their library "until" a certain event occurs, that player exiles those cards one at a time. Laelia's last ability will trigger that many times.
(2022-09-09)
At 7:25, Goaded creatures do not have to pay for Ghostly Prison/Norn's Annex. Checkout ruling 508.1d
@@Fragoo22 If the goaded creatures' controller wants to attack the Prison/Annex player, yes, they do.
@@Fragoo22 That happens when the player you chose to attack with your goaded creatures is in fact the only opponent remaining.
Otharri feels like one of the strongest casual boros commanders ever printed. Very impressive (and oppressive) showing here, thank you!
Faldorn is great, I love exile based commanders. I'm sad there's no black in it but I may be biased since Hidetsugu, devouring chaos is one of my favorite decks lol
Awesome game! I love watching these. They are very compact but you still see everything you want to see! :)
I don't think this would have made such a huge impact on the game but it is still a valid point in the rules.
When proliferation you have to give the chosen players/permanents one additional counter for each type of counter already on that player/permanent.
This means for the Otharri deck that he would have gotten more tokens at some point because he had poison and experience counters when he was getting proliferated.
I recently rebuilt the Firkraag deck but left out some of the filler cards and added more dragons. The goad mechanic is mostly from the commander and a few spells now and I think it flows much better. Having big beefy dragons like Ancient Copper or Silver on the field when it's 1 on 1 makes it much easier to win rather than the original build where the deck lacked any real win con once 2 opponents were out.
#TeamBoros - it's been my favourite guild since I first started playing Commander 5 years ago.
Wow, I have to say, I was kind of "meh" upon seeing the last two precons, but Otharri did some work. Making tokens per experience counters really helps the token deck to come flying back in late game. I may have to talk myself back into getting that one...or talk myself out of getting it, I have too many decks as it is...
Fun fact: When you choose to proliferate something, you have to put on another counter of _each_ kind there. Proliferating Eric actually gave him another experience counter as well.
Proliferate says, "Choose" meaning no, that's not how that works
@@obsidiousmarical3498 701.27. Proliferate
701.27a To proliferate means to choose any number of permanents and/or players that have a counter, then give each one additional counter of each kind that permanent or player already has.
Emphasis on "each." If you're putting on one, you're putting on the other.
@@FanOfMostEverything emphasis on to choose
When choosing in magic, one doesn't have to choose all options, or it would defeat the purpose
@Obsidious Marical yes you choose what to proliferate but you don't get to choose the counters that will be affected by said proliferate. If you pick a card with a +1/+1 counter and say experience and energy counters on it you must up all 3. You still get to choose what is and is not picked by the effect of proliferate but you don't get to pick the counters that are going to be added from it.
ixhel is definitely a deck for people who aren't afraid to attack with mana dork on turn 2 - if you don't have that attitude towards early aggression you'll seriously struggle to get off the ground
Yeah. I think ixhel badly needs 1 and 2 mana creatures turning sideways to get those early counter. My ideal curve out is a poisonous 1-drop, a mana rock into another poisonous 1-drop, into ixhel.
You need to get the oil spreadinh early before people have blockers, so you can sit back and kill the table late.
Love to see precons in action. GG guys! ❤
at 15:41 you grab a Temple of the False gods that Journey has exiled prior, Journey to the lost city states that it has to be from "among those cards" meaning the top 4 exiled :P so your choices should of been either a forest or the spine rock knoll
Faldorn is one of my main commanders. I made mine into a wolf tribal deck.
Otharri is definitely one of the better precon decks. Snowball Phoenix for the win!
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I'm the life of the party...... Bit of back story I have been buying precons only since my trades. Edh and modern decks were stolen out my car.
I have a box of about 20ish precons where all I did was remove the chaff and add things I liked from what cards I still own
Well we started playing random edh everyone rolls a d20 and the number is the deck. Made for fun games. Beating people with their own cards is fun
Proliferate add a counter of each kind, Eric should got 1 more experience token each time and a lot more rebel!
in turn 5 when Eric poison counter was proliferate the experience counter must too cuz, proliferate says choose any number of permanents or player, for each kind of counter on that permanent or player put an aditional counter of that kind
False
@@joyboy1734 701.27. Proliferate
701.27a To proliferate means to choose any number of permanents and/or players that have a counter, then give each one additional counter of each kind that permanent or player already has.
Doesn't cascade exile 1 card of the top until it finds or fails to find, making Alela gigantic?
they're all exiled at the same time, she would only get one counter
There's a ruling for her on Gatherer. She'd get a counter for each card exiled through cascading.
@@MonsterGoBoom it actually says on the card. "One or more". If it didn't say that, it'd be broken
Here’s the gatherer text:
If a player is instructed to exile cards from their library "until" a certain event occurs, that player exiles those cards one at a time. Laelia's last ability will trigger that many times.
Yea laelia should’ve been huge
ah yes, see nothing has changed when infect is at the table.
Eric was understandably afraid of Dom’s deck. He was gaining so much life it made it hard for Mat and I, but Dom only need to hit once or twice more an a proliferating effect.
Why didn’t you play faldorn before you played the lands in exile? You could have gotten two dogs? 10:12
Because faldorn explicitly says "cast" not "play" so Lands don't trigger her.
@armoredduck She has additional text that triggered when a land enters the battlefield from exile
@@BladedCreed you're right, my bad. Reading the card truly does explain the card..
Bro I want the playmat that Mat is using so bad but I've yet to find it anywhere
I made the design. Here you go : drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ImweDGl1cy-_EcNcLSuXZiE_zvRn19tn?usp=share_link
@@thetemp7858 Thank you so much you beautiful person you
Where can i get this playmats?? They're awesome...
Where can I get Mat’s mat? I love it
Why didn't you attack with Laela when you first played them. The card has hasts
Can you please play zedruu again soon. It's my fave . Just being selfish
Preconzilla 5: Operation Rio
Faldorn definetely seems interesting, but i do hate that activated ability, it is so bad. Tap, pay 1 and lose a card to draw a temporary card, one of those cost should have been removed.
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Why try to use Noxious Revival as Gravehate? It has haste so all you're doing is requiring a 5 mana investment.
Dom was getting way too much heat when one player was going absolutely nuts with tokens and lifegain.
Why not use Dom's poison to take out the lifegain aspect of the Boros player? Were people just banking on "oh I'll get a board wipe soon" or something?
I enjoy watchin y'all but sometimes it looks like no one actually thinks but just plays cards because they have them.
Excellent, I got Faldorn and Ixhel'd precons lol
How are erics creatures cheating the norns annex and ghostly prison?
The tokens enter tapped and attacking, so they are never declared as attackers
Journey into the lost city is kind of a terrible card. You lose access to a bunch your cards and even when you hit a 20 you lose the non permanent swapped it out for visions of phyrexia on my precon
First of all visions of phyrexia is a terrible version of that effect for a dedicated exile deck, the second ability never triggers and there are so many better impulse engines out there.
Secondly, unless you're really bizarrely dependant on tutors exiling cards isn't meaningfully changing access to them. People get so weirdly protective of the worthless cards in their library that they'll never draw.
Disappointing Eric kept punching down on the player furthest behind so we couldn't see Ixhel perform or even do anything. Having played her a few times, she's so slow and very mediocre in power...
Vishkraz is much better imo
@TheTemp also more boring. Just a big fat beater. I'd rather steal things and make them have infect/toxic via equipment and enchantments ala Glistening Oil, Grafted Exoskeleton, Prosthetic Injector, etc. And I've got more powerful decks when needed.
Yeah it wasn't what I wanted to do, but I wasn't worried about dropping low on HP, I was worried about infect or toxic getting me, it was my first time playing and seeing both decks I purchased. Last time I played against infect was in New Phyrexia lol
Will there ever be a game again with only in Universe cards? Magic has lost its magic to me with all these crossovers...
That’s the beauty of being able to pick your own cards
@@twistedpear18 yea I can pick only my cards. Not my opponents cards. And I also cant decide what cards are played on channels like mtg muddstah. So its either watching Magic: the crossovering content or none at all...
@Lunis Inko what cards aren't in universe for mtg?
@@necro6471 street fighter, walking dead, d&d, lotr, doctor who, warhammer, stranger things... just to name a few
Let people enjoy their own cards