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the lack of digitalization kinda started with our Government pushing Cable back in the 80s-90s rather than investing into Fiber which was a "risky" move back then Helmut Kohl invested all money into Cable "so that every home can watch TV" which A: didnt even work out despite the push, B: made us fall behind even to this day when it comes to digitalization and C: He didnt even consider Fiber because he had connections to the Copper Companies and was paid really well for that decision
yeah but not. the "Fiber" back then wasnt anywhere close to the fiber that is now being used. The old fiber would stil have the same issue maybe a bit later but not by much.
@@Dante1282 the issue isnt the fiber but the whole infrastructure, if you already had cut open the entire country all you would have to do is replace the cables rn (which is suprisingly easy and fast) but the current issue is getting all the rights to open the streets and the initial cost of actually digging holes in the middle of streets in the 90s people had cars but not like 1-4 cars per household as it is now so closing a street to cut open for fiber installment back then would have been easy just close the street but now its next to impossible
It was not so much Helmut Kohl himself, rather his Federal Minister for Post and Communication, Christian Schwarz-Schilling. He was CEO of battery manufacturer Sonnenschein before, which in turn was owned by the family of his wife. The cable project was set up as a private-public partnership, and the private company tasked with planning and project managment was owned in part by Sonnenschein. After his tenure as minister, he worked as a telecommunications consultant.
I'm reading your comment while being connected via a TV cable with a speed of 1 Gbit/s, so I don't know how cable is supposed to have slowed down digitization. Rather the opposite is true, as millions of households had cable TV long before fiber ever existed. The fact that it wasn't used earlier for fast internet is another story.
Yeah ... the CDU is not all that much in touch with these "new internet technology" ð
The UK is in Europe but just no EU member anymore. A fact that even people in England do not understand yet.
well, incest can be quite hard on the brain capacity
@miztazed - The UK is not in any continent. Its a collection of small islands.
@@reindeer7752every country is in a continent.
@@evilmessiah81 It's not Alabama!
@@reindeer7752 It is still part of the continent of Europe, the exact same way Ireland is.
The reason behind our slow internet (which gets slowly better) is our former chancellor Helmut Kohl. Under helmut schmitt germany made plans for fiber optic cables in the year 1981. But Helmut Kohl got chancellor one year after and ended this plans. Instead of fiber glass, he gave the cable tv companies what they want: Copper cables. A very good friend of helmut Kohl was Leo Kirch, the owner of the biggest pay tv channel at that time. Kirch was Kohls best man at his wedding and after kohl left politics, Kirch gave him a consulting contract for 600.000 DM per year. Kirch wanted copper, Kohl gave him copper and nearly 30 years after he left office, we still have slow internet.
Kohl did a lot of bad stuff... but this might actually be the one with the most lasting damage to our country.
And somehow it's the one thing hardly anybody knows. Whenever I told someone about it, it was news to them and they were perplexed about the stupidity of it.
ten years a go, we had a better internet conection. Everybody looks TV with satelit conection. Then comes Netflix, Amazon, Disney and so on. To look this, you need the telephon conection. ThatÂīs a lot of information, more then our copper lines can handle. but now, you can use a satelit conection for youre internet.
It was not Kohl - the old corrupt scumbag - but his old buddy post minister Schwarz Schilling, who was a former CEO from Varta batteries in Berlin and gaves him that advice - the former government under Helmut Schmidt had already decide to use optic cables - the rest is history and that was not even the biggest mess of Kohls government ðĐ
Copper wire is not really the problem. I live in the Netherlands in a rural area but had a 1 GBps copper wire internet connection for years and recently switched to fiber because it was offered to me as a free upgrade, but the max download speed is still 1 GBps, they do not offer any faster connections. There is however an increase in upload-speed. So if you want to stream live video content to YT for example or play very demanding MMO games online there can be a noticeable improvement in response time compared to copper wire. Fiber optic companies want you to believe that they will make your slow internet fast but that is not the whole truth, so keep that in mind. The speed of light in a copper wire is just as fast in a fiber optic wire, what is more important is the bandwidth meaning how much data can be transported simultaneously. So instead of adding extra copper wires it makes more sense to use a single fiber optic cable which already has more wires inside which can be used in the future.
I have my connection via copper TV cable and the speed is 1GBit/s.
A lot of the info is outdated. Things have massively improved in the last few years. Where I live I can now choose from three providers with Fiber to the Building (FTTB) at rates of up to 1 GBit. I just stick with 80 MBit for cost reasons and because I live alone and don't need more. That's perhaps one thing one could criticize - Internet access can still be extremely expensive. That and the availability and quality depend too much on where you live. Other things are of course underdeveloped and over-regulated. Many government services cannot be used digitally and when they are, they require complicated authentication procedures. The GDRP is also a pain as are some other EU regulations, but overall it's not nearly as bad as the guy makes it sound. It really comes across as this stereotypical uninformed American view of the world colliding with reality in another country.
While things have improved it's still not good compared to other EU countries. I have been living in France for many years and there FTTH is becoming the standart. And I can get a 2GBit connection for much less than a 500MBit here in Germany.
While the availability might increase, what about prices? Internet in Germany is crazy expensive compared to other countries. I just compared German Telekom with Austrian Magenta, both are the same company - T-Mobile. In Germany, the top speed they offer (fiber is apparently not available, only DSL) is 250 MBit for 55⎠per month. 16 MBit already cost 38⎠per month. In Austria, the minimum they offer is 60 MBit for 28⎠(LTE). You can get up to 1 GBit for 77âŽ.
For mobile, it's completely nuts. Even a volume of only 10 GB per month cost you 40⎠in Germany, phone not included. Unlimited data cost 85âŽ. Which you probably can't use anyway in rural areas, as you fall back to 2G, if you get any signal at all. In Austria, with all its mountains that make the network more complicated, the minimum amount you get is 40 GB per month for 17âŽ, unlimited volume costs 30⎠- cheaper than just 10 GB in Germany.
Meanwhile, friends in Italy pay like 35⎠per month - for both fiber at home AND mobile combined, with unlimited data.
The part of Joelâs brain that tiptoes around UKâs relationship with Europe should be studied ð
I noticed that too. He thinks the UK is not in Europe? I wonder in which continent _he_ thinks it belongs.
@@Jacques.dAnjou No, I was referring to him talking about Brexit lol
@@Jacques.dAnjou come on, he's. American . It's difficult to understand the difference between EUnion and Europeð
@@biankakoettlitz6979 yeah OK, I guess
The Brits are also really bad about refusing to believe that the UK is in Europe. You will hear them say things like, "We not in Europe anymore - we left!" Some will even adamantly insist that the UK is not even a part of the European continent.
A friend of mine in London was talking to a group of people and expressing his dismay about Brexit. One of the people said to him, (aggressively) "If you like Europe so much, why don't you move there?" My friend retorted: "I don't have to move; I already live in Europe!"
If you don't want get scam calls or be in scam groupchats you can simply change privacy settings in WhatsApp ðĪ·ââïļ
I never got any scam "things" in WhatsApp
Sorry not trying to be funny, but does WhatsApp in US have the same privacy settings as in EU and UK?
I'm guessing it doesn't have to.
@@suessigkeitenlp I got a few over the years, but they all came from outside of Germany. The last one had +28 (South Africa) in the beginning.
â@@23GreyFox You can allways block the number.
09:00 I think it's a good thing that companies can not just collect all the data from their users. If they are not willing to respect my privacy, I'm not interested in their service. So if they decide they don't want customers from Europe, that's their problem. (And the law has already been copied by other countries, so it's not just Europe, now.)
I don't know about the situation in Germany but I've had a GB internet connection in The Netherlands for the last 10 years now, with fiber optic networks covering almost the whole country. We do almost everything online, from simple payments in the grocery store to doing your taxes. The national post services complain because there's less and less post ...
well... The Netherlands are a smaller country, even countryside villages aren't far from urban area. In France, the fiber is installed in urban places, and slowly expanding in the countryside currently. But the countryside is huge there...
I live in a small German town (less than 40,000 in total) and in this town, in a small cow village, there are many farms and fields, so many fields!
The village basically only consists of one street.
There are fields our garden fence behind the house.
Behind the house across the street too.
But I've had a 1Gbit/s internet connection via TV cable here for years.
Take note that all our wires and other utilities are underground. It is natural cheaper and quicker to sling a new cable aroung one of the trillion utility poles you have in the US than take an excvator and open up the street.
That's a very good point indeed!
We may lack the digitalization, but US people seem to lack basic Internet Knowledge xD
The UK is in Europe. It is not complicated.
The UK isn't in Europe
@@budapestkeletistationvoices It's not in the European Union. It's definitely part of the European continent.
@@keadinmode2070 it's culturally not Europe
@@budapestkeletistationvoices Oh really? Is it in North America, lol.
@@79BlackRose mentally yes. England seeks friends and allies there, including ordinary people. The public debate is rather about things that are also controversial in the US and not in Europe. In Europe no major political parties say that public services should be defunded or abolished and privatise the whole thing.
An ordinary French won't consider a German as a foe, a risk to the security and welfare of him/herself and wants to kick them out from the country
Living in Australia right now and working at a school where (almost) all assignments are done on a computer, I have to say that there can also be too much digitalisation. Work isnât done properly, students are constantly distracted and much more. Weâre getting more and more dependent on the internet and technologyâĶ a big web we stick toâĶ me included, getting annoyed when I lose internet connection on German trains. But we should see that there are worse things and that the internet in not just âgoodâ.
Fun fact: Since I arrived here, I didnât exchange or withdraw any money. There are card readers everywhere and at many places, they donât even accept cash ðļ
The lack of digitization is not just money, but almost everything: In Norway you can pay with your phone, cards, vipps (like cash but with bank) We have a digital system to lock in to bank, insurance, pay taxes, to get an doctor's appointment, you name it. Ive heard that in Denmark their system is even easier.
While we could still do a lot more (A LOT MORE), it's not that bad.
I don't even remember the time before I started paying with my phone, I don't have any money with me for years now.
I also do banking on my phone (or sometimes browser), do taxes in my browser (you can look up "elster", and actually not sure if they have an app), you can get doctor's appointments online for an increasing number of doctors (and some doctors even started making it a necessity), I handle everything medical insurance related with my app and even doctor's note is just send automatically to your employer since... last year? This year? Don't remember.
In general I agree, there is still a lot of stuff to be done in this regard... but at least we're already out of the stone ages!
It's pretty much the same in Slovakia.
If he has a slow connection between his iphone and his wifi router, it doesn't necessarily means that his connection is slow - it is an issue with the wifi / router, maybe because of thick walls etc.
9:05 In the EU and Denmark you own your mega data,
in the USA you do not own the right to your mega data
The reason everybody uses WhatsApp or another instant messenger in Europe is simple. In Europe, you have none or a limited number of free SMSes included in your contract. So, for every SMS you sent, you have to pay money, while messages via instant messenger are free. In the US, however, unlimited SMSes are included in your contract, and so there was never a necessity to switch to instant messengers.
8:52 'I mean I don't know what they expected passing that, bro.' well, the expectation is for US companies to adapt their business model according to the new law and ideally, to find it too bothersome maintaining two different approaches over the long run thus abandoning the non-EU compliant variant at some point. maybe US consumers/customers like the EU law and demand a change in attitude too from US companies.
one of the problems with the german network is, that when they reunited, they started a massive project to bring that eastern german network to the future, and install fiber, that was in the 90ties.
but the fiber network was a different technology than what was then used for internet.
so they now sat in the weird situation, fiber phone, but limited to 64kbit/s.
in recent years, a new technology came up, that can use the old fibers, essentially giving 1gbit/s symmetrical.
I don't get the constant whining of visitors to Germany about the Internet speed.
It is not slow, it is adequate while being less than 25% of the average price of US Internet access.
I am using my Internet access in Germany for Business purposes/conferencing, streaming and video uploads, most of the time with 8 to 15 devices simultaneously.
I have 55 mbit/s and never had any reason for complaints or any outages.
What is the advantage of having even faster access? I don't see any. Just for bragging? I also don't need the fastest car so why would I need the fastest Internet?
We have been accessing the internet via the television cable for over ten years now in two different locations (a town of 75000 people and now 5000 people...) and that had been always a mininmum of 500 Mbits and now with a max of 1000, with average around 900 with up to three pcs using it for video up and download, and gaming.
And you probably aren't even using 50MBit/s with that.
Where I live in the UK, I've had broadband for around 25 years and speeds have progressively got better over that time, currently, I'm on 350mb, but I could get 1GB and they are rolling out 2GB where I live next year, but honestly, even 350mb speeds are more than fast enough for pretty much anything and I think once you've gone over 100mb speeds, it more or less can handle anything you want.
Speed and reliability isn't an issue, but a common complaint is the price which isn't cheap compared to many other European countries that offer the same speeds for much less.
With that said, I thought the average speeds across Germany were much better.
Since the Ampel-Regierung is the leading coalition thhere is actually really good progress when it comes to new Internet-Connection installments
In the early 1980s, chancellor Helmut Schmidt planned to build a fibre network for data transfer until 1995. But he lost a vote of no confidence against Helmut Kohl in 1982, and one of the first things Kohl did, was cancelling this contract. Instead, Kohl decided to lay copper cables. The official reason was that on these lines, telephone, TV, and data transfer could run simultaneously. But the real reason was lobbyism. This way he could promote cable TV for his friend Leo Kirch, as the cables to connect the households already lay beneath every street, and houseowners only had to make a junction to their house.
I live in a provincial city in Germany (in the city center) and here the connection speed is pretty decent. Thing is, about 20 years ago a big sceme was started to make cable TV accessable for everybody. While the TV flopped quite badly, the cable network was bought (finally) by Vodafone, one of the mobile phone giants in Europe. They converted it to a internet cable service. The top private connection is 1 Gbit, which costs 65 Euros/month (inclusive a landline phone flatrate to all nets).
I tested it with some speed test programs (like the one from Google) and the actual speed is 950 Gbit download and 50 Gbit upload. Thats not too shabby, I'd say, and should be enough for all purposes in a private household.
Also the customer service is pretty good. If it doesn't need physical action like laying cables ect., it usually takes between 3 hours and 3 days to make changes.
So things are impoving. Also I dont understand why everybody should get glass fibre connection today, thats overkill. Sure, we dont know what demands may come up even in a few years time, but then you can still order it when you need it.
Having cookies foisted on you without permission and/or being tracked everywhere you go is anything but internet bliss.
These are the reason for .DE online shopping sites: currency, billing format, address/phone# format and most important...all products shipped from outside of Europe are taxed on arrival, import tax (VAT) is paid by the customer, even when shopping local.
So the .DE website pricing is incl. that tax.
It speeds shipping. If you order on a foreign website, you package ends up at the 'tax office' und you get it after the import tax is paid.
In rural UK, I have cable at 36/9Mbps. Much better than when I lived in Sydney, so I have no real complaints. ð
London internet is dreadful. I tried to use my mobile data at Stansted Airport without success. Stansted wifi isn't great either
5:55 Given that my old firm, working in fibre optic rollout, was located in Cologne and it was their local office that always had connection issues, I find this statistic really funny, ngl.
That said, *in general* German cities are fine (I have rarely had issues only living in cities from my 20th on) but rural areas may be an issue and at least last time I checked, the mobile network outside of cities is truly atrocious. That's the real issue here, as far as I've experienced it. As in you cannot even pull up Google, as soon as you leave population centres. No podcasts on the Autobahn, no Pokemon Go in your small hometown, no looking for the way in some backwater village in the mountains. And especially no entertainment or productive work requiring an internet connection on any train ever. You get seconds to minutes of a terrible connection while at the station and then nothing for as long as you're moving.
I have the Biber cable inside the house but still use the copper wire with 100 MBits till the price use ration fits me. Right now still 3 ppl can watch Netflix same time plus one playing online gameâĶ
Having a good router managing the traffic and no one feels like internet is bad.
In the 90s I used a V90 56kbits modem. It was so fast! That thing send and received signals at THE SPEED OF LIGHT! ðĩ
if you use wifi anywhere itâs going to slow down your internet speed for the computer you use, use an ethernet cable and it wonât seem as slow. sure your connection can be slow into your house, but if use wifi you are slowing it down further using wifi
The reason for slow internet in Germany is that Cabel TV and Satelite TV is split 50/50. Those who have Cabel TV automatically have a fast internet via the coax Cabel TV (400MBit). Those with a satelite receiver have to sign a contract with a Internet provider to use simple telephone wires for internet. Some of this older telecommuniction wires can only transport 2-16 MBits. Satelite TV is still popular, because their service is for free. In the meantime, many of these also have super fast fiber-optic communication, but some esp. older people did not upgrade their connection, they did not use the internet often and are Ok with the speed.
Geoblocking isn't even a way to get around the GDPR. Because, remember, the GDPR protects EU /citizens/, wherever they are in the world. If I'm on holiday in the US, visiting a US website that doesn't properly protect my privacy, they will be in breach of GDPR. And as you said, I could also use a VPN to get around the geoblock and the company could be on the hook for mishandling my personal data.
As for internet speeds... I'm in the Netherlands. I currently use a 100mbps VDSL link. On VDSL, available speeds are 50, 100 and 200mbps. There's also a coaxial cable to my home, which can provide up to 1Gbps - but I don't really need that speed so I'm happy with my âŽ40 per month 100mbps link. :)
Regarding the thumbnail: That's known as a top-level domain.
Glad I could help... ð
We have 1 GB speed offered over here, but our purchase is 500 MB and it's fine for UHD TV. We live close to Darmstadt and they have done a lot of work during the last years
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@@Coolgamer400 thanks
In Belgium there is fiber optic cable almost everywhere! You do need to pay more for it but it is reasonable.
the download speeds this guy is talking about are complete outdated.
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Are they? I'm in the middle of a German state capital and I've been waiting for 3 months now and Telekom still hasn't gotten their shit together to get the fiber connection from the house into my apartment. Meanwhile, the highest DSL available here is 50Mbit and I'm currently stuck with the most expensive LTE available where I've been getting anything between 2 to 80 Mbit.
8:23 Clever sites can detect you're from a VPN connection and block you anyway. They figure it out from IP ranges assigned to VPN providers. For example, Netflix won't play you a thing if you're on a VPN. The VPN trick worked for a few years but it no longer does.
A factor many people often forget is that cash also works without any data service. And that's a really important factor, that always comes into focus as soon as one of the main adopter has an issue. Like when master card was subject of a large scale attack. Or when the inkoop servers were not available for months Sweden.
Fun fact about the up and download specifics: even a 16MBit download is sufficient for almost everything. Even hosting a multi-user remote session.
For almost everything fiber is not necessary at all. It's most of the times just a snake oil.
And the abyssal speed is mostly due to the bad connected rural sides. Cities are pretty fast. But that is a result of the market roaming free. And a tiny village does just not generate enough revenue to make it worth it.
One of the reasons for them constantly being bombarded with those layers is that they use a lot of Apple products and Apple introduced a feature to their safari browser, that automatically dumps all cookies at the end of a session. That includes those that stored your selection on what cookies you actually accepted ð
Fax machines are the only alternative to digital signatures when it comes to concluding legally valid contracts. The signature on the fax proves that the order was placed by the person signing it and the receipt of the fax proves that it was received by the business partner. That's something you can't replace with e-mail and that's why fax machines are still in use today.
I live in a medium-sized city in Germany and I have 985.5 Mbps. The data in the video is obviously out of date
Within the last years many towns, including middle and small towns got fiber.
However, you should request your connection at least one month previously before you need it, better is six weeks ahead,
The internet in Germany is made from whole grains with nothing taken out.
I think the whole world had a problem with remote learning and gathering resources.
Cash always should be as a anonymous denominator, also its a different alternative , and not having it is bad .
Unfortunately, people often generalize and say that the Internet in Germany is bad. However, this is at least partly due to the fact that Americans in particular seem to equate WLAN/Wifi speed with Internet speed. And since, as mentioned in the video, the walls here provide much better shielding, wireless internet on tablets/smartphones etc. is often slower. However, this could be solved with appropriate mesh repeaters or even wired access points.
It is of course true that the average Internet leaves a lot to be desired and it is time to improve it, but 130mb/s is easily enough for gaming and 4 parallel 4k Netflix streams. Of course, there are places where it is much worse and where it does not meet today's standards and requirements at all.
And since most of the cables in our walls are permanently installed and often do not run in cable ducts, it is difficult and cost-intensive to upgrade to new standards such as fiber.
In my opinion that changes by Corona totally. Schools have created a lot of solutions to be able to hold lessons digitally. The providers have upgraded at enormous speeds so that this is also possible. Before, for example, we had an internet connection with 16 Mbits, which is an absolute joke. Sometimes I thought about getting out a few bus drums. Mobile accessibility was at a maximum with LTE. That was a fact in 2021. Today I have a fiber optic cable with 1000 Mbits and can be reached everywhere with 5G. So that has changed completely. But I'm pretty sure that without corona, it would still be the same as it is in 2021.
In Denmark there are fibre optic cables everywhere. You can easily get 1000/1000 megabits. I think I have 150/150 megabits because I donât need more.
I'm lucky growing up nearby cologne and always have had a good internet connection.
#11:50 YT already did an "origin trial" last year over several months in several countries worldwide where browsers with ad blockers were denied access to the site with a grace period of three times access for anonymous users (not logged in). It was super annoying and appears to have been cancelled. I dunno if that ship has sailed as they got massive backlash from content creators.
IPhone is way to expensive for the common person in Europe and is mostly used as a company phone.
The privacy rules is a Europe thing not just German.
The same applies for the Netherlands. Every website you visit you have to consent or deny cookies.
Every country in Europe uses their own ccTLD for for instance the search engine of Google or Amazon.
The (DE) is short for Deutschland (Germany)
In my country, we have national fibre optic network that covers 98% of the country providing ultra fast broadband connect. My connection speed has 300mbps down/100mbps up with no daily usage cap.
"Everyone has an iPhone"
Well, that's stupid.
Internet Speed: 250/25 (Berlin, cable)
GPDR: Just don't collect my personal data and you don't have to block me. It's the choice of the website to collect too much data.
Consent: As well, just don't collect stuff, don't integrate 3rd party stuff and you don't need a consent banner. It's a choice of the website, to be that inconvenient to use.
9:10 Tbf, though, many countries abroad still adhere to EU regulations simply bc we're such a big market.
Can't remember the specifics of the examples I'm thinking of, so I won't spread half-truths but it was at least said to be a relatively common thing.
Really depends on whether said company is trying to make money in the EU or not. Obviously doesn't apply to local news networks in the US.
I have seen one website that has a weird way for asking consent for cookies.
Jyst put essential, marketing and something else together into one package, all that just to view a video preview of a product, even though pretty much all websites don't need to get consent for essential cookies. (essential cookies make the website work, like the ability to view a video)
My issue is the other way around, when I search for Ajax on US Google on a US device, I donât get the results for the football (real football, not handegg) score but info about a Greek god. On a Dutch device I just get the scores. So it works both way around haha.
I grew up in small town in Germany with ~8000 ppl. We have had DSL 768 since 2002, which was surprisingly early for such a small place. A few years later cable internet became available (cable TV had been there since the 80s) and was a lot faster. My parents had the option for 400Mbit or more (currently up to 1GBit) via cable for like 15 years now (1 Gbit came later), but they still don't have Fiber. A company wanted to install it in the city, but not enough people ordered it, because you could already get the same speed via cable for less money per month. Still dumb though, since fibre is fibre is future proof. Cable via copper wire is not.
I myself have FFTH 500 Mbit, could go 1 Gbit for 30⎠more per month, but little point in doing so as single household.
But before my current home, I lived in a tiny village with 300 people. Moved there 2017 and I could only get 6Mbit DSL, with a faster LTE contract available, but limited Data per month. In 2018 they upgraded to 50 Mbit, so it become totally usable. 4k Streaming worked well, so that was fine. But they dug up the roads and put up new distributor cabinets etc. just to install already obsolete tech.
I live in a small town (15.000 people) and I have a gigabit connection which runs very well most of the time. I could choose fiber internet as well but I have decided to have cable internet (Vodafone) which is available almost all over the country.
Internet Speed in Germany depends on the area where you live. I am from Berlin and my Internet speed is 1000 Mbps with mostly 850 Mbps download and 50 Mbps upload.
Here in Australia, internet speeds are not great, especially in rural or regional areas, but here in Perth, I am getting about 80 to 87 mbps. A work colleague of mine is getting over 200mbps but he is connected directly to fibre straight to his house.
It is not difficult to get internet at all. You sign a contract, they send you a router two days later, you plug it in and usually it just works. The router comes preconfigured and usually you don't need to do anything for it to work. And i am not getting into personalized settings or special configurations, a basic router for internet is super easy, barely an inconvenience, period.
Although what can be difficult is if you don't know how to plug two cables into your wall and want to get someone from the ISP come over to do that for you. Better is just to ask a neighbor in that case. And when they talk about appointments, that's exactly what they do, asking for a technitian to plug two cables into a wall. ð
Even better, when you move into an apartment in another country you ask the landlord how stuff works. In Germany many things are Idiotensicher/Idiot proof, they are so simple that you easily overthink it... :D
I don't really understand how people can be annoyed with cookie popups, ads and all that stuff. Installing a browser addon to block those takes neither time nor effort.
Hello Joel. I am in UK, but this was still very interesting. I studied this stuff as a postgraduate, when networks were sort of new. I went back to my original study subject for employment, but helped to bring in computing, back when we had to run coaxial cables round the building to link the PCs.
Sending reports by FAX did potentially give extra time, when you had Friday deadlines. I heard a set of blank pages sent on a Friday evening, resent as the full document early Monday gave an extra two days to complete the work.
Might this explain why I once went to work Thursday and came home Monday evening? The EU rules on work did not always fit the more US style business thinking in UK, but that is another thing not to be mentioned for fear of almighty rows in comments.
Okok. The speed depends on what plan you have from your internet provider, the router itself and how many other networks are near your home. With cable connection i get from my 1000mbps a true 660mbps in download and 60-100mbps in upload. Wifi is between 80 and 300mbps. We have 8 networks nearby and they of course interfere with our network.
Because all of the cables are underground in Germany is is extremely expensive to change the cables. So in many regions they still use the tv cable to provide the internet. The speed can be high even with this old style cable
I live in a small city close to the dutch border and we have fibreoptic cable.. they Installed it 3-4 years ago.. in the last few years things has changend.
It's indeed a personal experience so take every thing he said with a big handful of salt... And things changed over the past two years since he recorded it. However it still largely depends on where you live in Germany and Big City doesn't imply best connections.
Connection speeds incl. availability of fibre (which have to be buried into the ground) can also be hit and miss within the same city (thanks to German Telekom who own most infrastructure).
This guy's also comparing WiFi connections and LTE with broadband and fibre which is kinda bizarre. These are different technologies with different specifications. With a shitty router, laptop, phone or table the up/download speeds will be crap too from these devices no matter your internet connection and it also depends what server (endpoint) you'll be connected to.
I'm currently on a connection with an average of 242/43 Mbps download/upload stream. We updated the contract three years ago: same apartment, same provider and a 10 years old contract we had a laughing 16 Mbps download speed. It still was ok for what we used the web for back then. Fibre wasn't even an option where we live until 6 years ago.
When it comes to GDPR and some US sites not working, from what I've seen, it's very few because most adapt to the new law that it's not a big deal and honestly, it's kinda nice the law is in place because it protects us from those websites that don't want to adapt, which I think over the last few years, I've only seen 2 US sites that didn't adapt, so no big deal really.
and GDPR is also a thing in England despite England having left Europe
Not in Germany but here in Finland pretty much everything is on-line and totally normal internet speeds are something like 20 to 40 Mbps. And with those speeds everything works just great. We also don't use WiFi very much because almost everyone have unlimited (or nearly unlimited) data on their LTE, 4G or 5G connection plans.
Yeah, perhaps the difference is that in some places a household has one fast connection that's shared over WiFi for all the devices, but in some other places there are multiple devices with their own connection, so a single connection doesn't have to be that fast, but the resulting user experiences ends up being pretty similar.
In the Netherlands it is the Internet. Usually fiber optic internet, or 4G/5G. And it ends with. .nl Greetings from Spakenburg Netherlands.
I have a 250Mbit connection, i would be able to get 500Mbit. But what for? Even with 100Mbit you are more than able to stream 4k videos. And if i download a bigger game once a month, i dont care if it takes 10 or 20 minutes. But i noticed a big difference to countries with overall better connections: most seem to have restricted transfer volume in their standard contracts. In germany you usually have unlimited transfer volume.
Germany has a lot of Bureaucracy, but it works.
The speed test statistics are utter nonsense because they do not take into account in any way that many Germans do not want the unnecessary speed of fiber optics and stick with their broadband connection of 50 or 100 Mbit. I could get a fiber optic connection at any time, but I am not going to spend money on something I do not need and would rather stick with my 100 Mbit, which is perfectly sufficient for me. To me, the whole thing sounds like the nonsense that America does with cars. The main thing is that the car is huge with a huge engine. Unnecessary but huge. That is America.
Not to mention the catastrophic customer service of the german internet providers when problem occurs. Do not even think of any kind of compensation in that case, neither no apologies obviously, unlike US providers.
My new home in eastern germany has a 250 m/bits connection and I think this is low, since I had 1000 mbits before this.
So fast internet does exist its just where you are looking.
The biggest problem is that no real plan for a country wide network exists. Since our sercive providers build as they want the network is very patchy and it would take an investment from the government to make sure everyone gets fast connections, but they never want to invest.
Raw internet speed (or actually bandwidth) is vastly overrated. Watching this video in the highest quality on TH-cam takes 7 Mbit, while watching a 4K movie on Netflix takes about 20-30 Mbit. Visiting websites uses way less. To use significantly more than about 20 Mbit per person, you need to download large files. So unless you're downloading the newest triple-A games twice a week (and staring at the screen while they are downloading), there's little reason to shell out more money---and so many people don't.
One caveat, specifically in Germany, is that most internet connections are highly asymmetrical. The upstream is just barely enough for the ACK packets if you max out the downstream (20-to-1). This means not only that sending files is slow but that the connection will feel laggy, starting at about 30% downstream utilisation as the ACKs will drown your request packages. Still, in a single-user scenario, or with multiple users who're just surfing, you won't run into this.
I consider myself a heavy internet user, yet the time I use more than about 10 Mbit of my 1000 Mbit connection is maybe a couple of minutes each month. I had a 50 Mbit line for well over a decade, and the only reason I switched in '21 was quality issues with the line, not a need for more bandwidth.
Using WiFi is like stab yourself. Always use a RJ45 cable. WiFi is just noise ð I use WiFi only for my Laptop and smartphone. TV, console and so on are connected via cable.
Germany have partnered up with Denmark to get help to get more online. Denmark is know of as a very high digitized country, especially public services.
How surprising! Seems counter-intuitive. We complain here, but we've fibre optic cable. Fascinating video. Cheers, John in Canada
I have 100 Mbits of internet via copper cable. This makes me one of the most privileged in Germany when it comes to internet access. Faster copper cables are rarely laid.
It was a political decision in the 1980s to lay copper coax cables for TV instead of fiber optics for Internet.
The coax networks are now considered outdated and fiber is the future.
I didn't even know the whatsapp domain existed - well, you'd guess but why would anyone surf there? It's an app so nobody needs to go regularly on that website. And even the people who download the desktop client would only use it once. But maybe that's used in the backend of the app for the communication?
Personally I never had any complaints about the internet speed in Germany (and I didn't even get the fastest possible connection I could get where I live - because why pay extra if you don't really need the extra?). Oftentimes when people complained about their "slow internet" they were actually experiencing difficulties with their own WiFi rather than not getting the speed they payed for delivered to their house because they placed their routers in an unfavorable spot, not even thinking about how many walls (or even floors/ceilings) would be between the router and the place where they were expecting to get fast internetâĶ or that burying the router in a corner under a bunch of cables, power supply units or other devices wouldn't help getting the full range and speed. Maybe, it's not only the companies lagging behind in offering fast internet access but also the customers who lack some basic understanding of how the technology works. (Sure, you could blame that on the schools and the politics being too slow catching up with digitization and educating their students properly.)
09:06 yeah but it also means that if a US-company wants to be part of the EU-market it has to apply to those rules. i never access US-websites, so i dont miss out because of that law. all the important us-sites have german domains that apply to the laws anways. Like the law was not only extremly good, it was also extremly necessary!
Well, be honest, it must be seen that the population density in Germany is higher than in almost any other country in Europe. In addition, the download density is one of the highest, also because all people and children have a smartphone and use it intensively. The infrastructure of 1995 cannot grow so quickly. Permits and other things are required to lay fiber optics. And- the most infrastructure is underground. The construction workers have to open the streets, lay the lines between many other underground lines and close them again.
This takes a while.
But yes, the demand is growing faster than the infrastructure.
This video reminded me of Computer classes in school.
we have the copper cabels cause our bundeskanzler Helmut Kohl made it happen as a deak for a coper cabel producer. i think in the 90 the wanted to start the upgrade but it was stoped 9:05 i have all your sides without loosing my data and if i ever could not i just would stop useing it. There is never need to only if i want to. Corparashions try to turn this around
If you are in the Netherlands this summer, you will notice that we do almost everything digitally.
I love my slow but cheap internet. I pay EUR 14 for 20 Mbit/s a month on the old Kohl copper cables.
Whatsapp? I don't use it anymore. I use signal. Unfortunately it turns out impossible to convince the whole family to witch..
The Verge is a great source of tech content
I just go on private browser and accept all the cookies they want.
To be fair. They changed alot during the past 1,5 - 2 years. At my town / region they are laying alot of fibre into the ground atm. So i got 500 mbit/sec.
A lack of absolute Highspeed Internet is just a f * cked up luxury Problemð I can go to any Trainstation, Supermarket or any other public Building and be able to download any Movie or Song i want illegally by free WiFið Only because it takes 5 Minutes longer is not a Reason to cry like a BabyðĪŊ Much love from BerlinâĪ
I worked for a German company, and my offsiders had crap internet. My internet (fibre) is never under 300. This applies to most of the cou try.
04:45 : In Hungary we do have 1gig Fiber optics Internet in most of the larger cities and villages. But the 5G Mobile Internet is available in most of the country. 4G is available almost in the entire country. So the problem isn't the Internet speed with Hungary. :)
99,9% paid with EU money.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany : Yes, of course! In Hungary everything is payed by the EU, which is the main enemy for our government. OrbÃĄn has lot of voters because his main enemy financed big investments in Hungary. (OrbÃĄn's vorters very similar to Trump voters. Stupid idiots, all of them. Except who is part of the public money embezzlement network. Because they are very clever.)
I think the guy in the video was tricked because he had no clue. OK, in the countryside, far away from the cities, the internet can be worse. Nowadays, 250 Mbit DSL lines or 1000 Mbit cable connections are almost standard. Cable connections can be less reliable nowadays. Thanks Vodafone! And the fiber rollout is on its way. I moved back to Germany from Atlanta in 2015. And to be honest, at that time my experiences in the US and in Germany were almost the same. Although there were significantly more network breakdowns in the US and I never had the bandwidth that was sold to me.
The fax machine is the future.
Along with pagers.
Here I have a WiFi-download rate of 99 mbit/s and upload of 44 mbit/s. Thats far enough to use multiple HD streams. And seriously I ask whatfor I need down/uploadrates of 1 GBit for regular internetuse?
well, since the pandemic the online services have improved alot and they are still improving that. it always the same, we are waiting with new features and let betatest the other countrys before we install something that failed to work directly after start. but after fixing this we have mostly better things as other countrys. just give it time.
about the speed, well, wifi connections are a problem due to the thick walls and regulations about the strenght of a signal that can be send from a houshold wifi router, etc, etc. but in general its improving.
high speed connections are wide available now. i have since ten years a 250/40 vdsl line with absolut no problems. always full speed. why do i need more speed at moment ? i have the possibility to get fibre but fibre comes with problems like shared access points to the backbone (thats causing heavy lags in prime times). with my vdsl i have a dedicatet port direct into the backbone.
only in rural areas you have problems to get a good connection.