at 9:30 the hang-tag translates to: Gun: Number: 26689 Caliber: 7.64 Taper: 0,02 Degree of corrosion: 1P2 Manufacturer/Repairer: Inspector: Date: 22.08.1979 Additional notes on the backside I left stuff blank because the markings are so pale that I cant read them... And the word at 10:30 "puollustuslaitos translates to "department of defence" Btw, I'm a Finn and most words are pronounced just like they are written.
Hi, a Finn gun nut here. Translations: SA = Suomen Armeija = Finnish Army Puolustusvoimat = Department of Defence There's some Finnish commenting on this video. The guys are profaning humorously: "who the fuck sent our M39s to America?!?!". We love them, too. I think we still have plenty of them here. Please take good care of the M39s. Cheers.
I had 3 M39's stolen from my home around 10 years ago. Without a doubt, they were the most accurate surplus rifles I've ever shot. The barrels were pristine. Wish I had them back.
9:31 the tag says: Weapon: 762 KIV 39 # 26698 Cal. 7.64 Conicalilty 0.02 Degree of Corrosion: 1P2 Manufactured / Repaired [strikeover] by Ase V1 (=Asevarikko 1 / Arsenal 1) Inspected by JK VO [probably some persons' initials] Date 220879 (=Aug 22nd, 1979)
I got a 1942 VKT from the first batch. Its a beautiful rifle. Most of the first batch they received sold out in 15min - 1hr depending on the make and options. Classic firearms is a awesome place to order firearms from i have bought atleast 6 rifles i can think of, i would have to check my bound book for exact numbers. I love surplus firearms. There is so much history. Plus I can get them shipped straight to my door with my C&R FFL.
I've spent some dough at Classic Firearms and I have to say they have not let me down! My first purchase from them were two hand select mosins, one a hex 91/30 laminated Hammer and sickle with big star, I think it's a Russian Tula, with black epoxy patched bullet strike to side right above magazine. I refinished the stock and left the patch, blueing was 98% blueing. The second one an M44 hex with laminated stock about 90% blueing, not sure of the origin. I bought a S&W M&P 40 Cal police buy back that doesn't even look to ever been holstered, $399. And a few months back when they had those gorgeous Yugoslavian SKS's, hand selected and let me say it looked to never been fired with one tiny dent on what looks to be a beautiful Walnut stock. These guys do their work and seem to really find some great stuff! I can't praise Classic Firearms enough!
The T is a test rifle that would be used to check the condition of the storage facility and of the guns
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The hadtag in place 9:30 says gun number:26689, Cal 7,64 (so has been shot, barrel bore has grown to that) Kartio taper 0,02 (mm maybe) valmistanut Ase v1 Produced by weapon depot 1, Tarkastanut (vheked by) JK VO (initials) PVM date 22nd August 1979. Observations in reverse side huomautuksen kääntöpuolella.
+Iraqveteran8888 more un-boxings and more mil surps. I have been following classic firearms for a while and have bought a few. They do things many others can't buy acquiring these pieces of history
@@Iraqveteran8888 how much would one in that box cost .the one he has in his hand is just plain beatiful .I sure would love to have one .will you be getting any at mosspawn shop.
Great video, IV8888. I have always liked Classic Firearms but I like them even more after watching the professionalism, honesty and genuine love for firearms that was represented in this video. Best of luck to the both of you.
"Puolustuslaitos" is the old name for Finnish Defense Forces. The pronunciation is hard to explain as vocals sound different from what they are in English. The syllables are Puo-lus-tus-lai-tos. Easiest would be to break the word in to three parts, Puo-lustus-laitos and then trying to say them without breaks and you get pretty close to the correct spelling. The tag seems to be an inspection report of some sort. My guess is that this is inspection before it was shipped out of the factory as the "Valmistanut / Korjannut" has the later part crossed over and it means repaired and the first one that is not crossed over is manufactured. The other side of the tag has the more specific notes of the inspection.
The tag at 9:33 Weapon: 762 KIV 39 (The Finnish military designation for the rifle: caliber - type of weapon - year of adoption) Serial number: 26689 Caliber: 7,64 Cone: 0,02 Degree of corrosion: 1P2 Manufactured/Refurbished by: Ase V1 Ispected by: JK VO Date: Aug 22 1979 Notes on the other side of the tag
+Iraqveteran8888 hey why is it that they arent shipping these to the us any more. i can never get a good answer. some people tell me that they stopped importing them bc of obamas exectutive order banning imports of russian firearms. is this the reason?
+mac andrews Simple, theres no more left to import. Finland is a small country, they only made so many and havent made any since... The Russian ban only applies to Russia.
eric another great video,i drive a truck and every evening while on break I watch your videos over and oven.very well done as always.also I am a big customer of classic firearms.
+Iraqveteran8888 i am ordering a ugo SKS from them tomorrow by coincidence , if i had space in my safe i would get one of those, i might swap my ex sniper for one of those
If you want to see the Finns in action with these M39 rifles, watch "Tali-Ihantala 1944", you can find it here on TH-cam. Excellent, gritty movie.......(but English subtitles).
Those paper 'tags' are armory gunsmiths "checklists", and have stuff like the depot where it was checked in, the gunsmiths initials, corrosion degrees, sight settings and such on them
PUOLUSTUSLAITOS roughly translates to "Defence administration", Puolustus= Defence, Laitos= Agency, Bureau or Facility the boxed up [SA] marking stands for Suomen Armeija = Finnish Army, an old term from the finnish military before we coined it the FDF. The marking SA Int however stayed on army issue gear all the way to the early 1960s. Dont ask me tips for pronounciation, all i can say is just pronounce it the way its written and youll do fine ;) No need to strech or bend anything.
Hey Iraqveteran8888... @11:42."Puolustuslaitos" is pronounced "Pwo-lews-tews-lie-tos". I know.. not easy. Love these M39's and did a lot of recreational shooting with those and Suomi KP/-31 as well as the m/44. The last one is a submachine gun and can actually fit the magazine of the KP/-31. Loads of fun shooting it due to its low rate of fire.
Awesome video guys thanks. I️ myself purchased a hand select grade police trade in from Classic firearms it was a Glock 23 gen 4 sw40 cal and the gun looked brand new when I️ received it and I’ve told most all my family and friends about ClassicFirearms because to me their an awesome amazing company with outstanding customer service and that’s what makes me tell everyone I️ know about Ben and his whole team at ClassicFirearms. Again thanks guys for yet another awesome amazing video.
On a random note I just found out those boxes are really called gaylords. I work in injection molding and everyone around my workplace calls them that. I always thought it was a joke or something. LOL. I guess not.
IIRC the D on the shank refers to the D166 bullet which is a 200 grain projectile made by Lapua. It's a modification to the chamber so that it can accept that projectile, the standard Mosin chamber was too tight for it.
It's too bad Clasic Arms is but a former shadow of what it was when the origional owner ran it years ago. They misrepresent their listings and over charge for garbage. The last batch of Finns they had were advertised as "excellent" and what customers received were broken, rusted, and in some cases unusable rifles. Buy at your own risk....
The closest I can come up with on how to pronounce "puolustuslaitos" is poo-oh-loose-twos-lie-toss: Also Sako is pronounced as Sa-ko (sa like in supple or Saiga), not Say-ko. Nice in-depth video btw!
I really wish we could get gear from Classic. They have been on my bookmark bar for years. Gee I am never ceased to be amazed by what we here in Australia cant have, even though we have proved ourselves as good fire arms owner for years.
For those who are wondering. Sako is pronounced the way he first says it when he's talking about pronouncation, or atleast if you are speaking finnish. It was actually quite spot on, very un-american finnish pronouncation.
Wow so many oldies but goodies there #IV8888 you are so lucky to inspect the last lot of M39, i want one so badly because its the last lot of M39 in the country as you said.
+Snake Plissken "In the U.S. and Canada, the term gaylord is sometimes used for triplewall corrugated pallet boxes; this is due to the first bulk bins being manufactured by the original Gaylord Container Company of St. Louis, which was acquired by Crown Zellerbach of San Francisco in 1955."
Stock on the hand select Sako I got from the first batch Classic introduced was not very desirable, had dowel rods holding the splice together with modern wood glue. The metal was great, mostly matching parts and an antique receiver so I was happy about that. Some day I'll find a replacement stock and continue to advance the collection to have more of these fine specimens of military history! But the money is not there at the moment...
Got one of these and I was sorely disappointed. I was so hyped up, but for the first couple of batches, they were sold before I could fill out my info! When I finally got mine, it had a big crack in the stock and rust. Classic Firearms said the M39s were in VERY GOOD/GOOD condition and mine was certainly not that. When I posted my review + video a few months ago, I said that perhaps they should the damaged ones for less and list them as FAIR. Strangely, I could not find my review afterwards. Was it an error, or was it deleted? Now months later, they are offering rifles with cracked barrels and rust for 100 dollars less :(
+ClassicRockLivesOn You are not alone. They screwed a LOT of people over just like you got screwed. Gunboards has (had?) a huge thread where people were posting what they got from Classic, and they were sending out broken stocks and rusted rifles as hand select. Then the mods at gunboards tried to lock the thread and delete negative posts because Classic is a forum sponsor for them. It was a huge scam, start to finish. And all the videos they have posted unboxing each batch of these rifles, they only show the best ones. Under those good ones are a lot of trash. Classic doesn't post negative reviews for the most part, so they have done a good job covering up the hand select scam on these rifles.
+ClassicRockLivesOn Oh, and the guy who wrote the very positive review at the bottom of their description page is a mod at gunboards, a forum sponsored by Classic. He wrote that review without seeing a single one of their rifles first (he admitted this). No conflict of interest there, huh? What a mess. That place was crazy for a few weeks while the mods and Classic tried to do damage control. They managed to silence a lot of the complaints. Hopefully they learned to be more honest from that experience, but it was enough to keep me from ordering a single one of these from them, and they lost a lot of repeat customers, like me.
+ClassicRockLivesOn As a collector of Mosin Nagants, I can say you've fallen for the most common scam in buying them: buying a random one that you cannot look at or inspect beforehand from a bulk importer. Classic Firearms and Century Arms (through Cabella's) are the two most guilty of this. Classic Firearms expects you to pay extra for a "hand selected top condition" M39 that is actually a decrepit piece of shit that's been rotting outside of its cosmoline for years, and Century Arms just takes a random Soviet barrel, paints the stock (poorly, with varnish all over the metal) grabs a bolt out of a pile, and sells it at Cabella's where you're not allowed to touch it. I'll buy Mosin Nagant's online if I find one that I feel is special (has rare marks on it such as Russian Empire stamps or Finnish captures of Soviet weapons), but I always make sure I at least have pictures I can look at. Bulk importers do not care what they sell you as long as you pay. That's why they're so cheap. Pay an extra 100 and buy from a collector-friendly firearms store, or on Gunbroker and ask all the questions you need to. In fact, let me add this to my rant, it's outright dangerous to buy a Mosin Nagant without at least knowing if the firing pin is adjusted properly on the bolt. Some people have lost eyes and noses that way. That being said, good luck shopping.
Cainus44 I thought this one was special because it was Sako, oh well. On a slightly related (and equally disappointing) note, I found an absolutely beautiful Sako M39 at a LGS that caters more towards tactical stuff. It was actually cheaper than the one from Classic, and had the prettiest stock. The employee told me it had been sitting there for months, and that no one who came to the store bought "guns like that". I didn't have the money with me, so I came back three days later, and it was gone. The guy said they sold it the day before. The hunt continues.
ClassicRockLivesOn Most M39s are Sakos, but the thing to remember is that all Finnish guns are of extremely high quality regardless of the brand, because Finnish gunsmiths at the time were among the most meticulous and and careful in the world. Finnish Mosin Nagants are special no matter what, but a special Finnish Mosin among Finnish Mosins is going to have special marks on the receiver. That's usually how I tell whether or not I'm interested in something. The receivers on Finnish and Soviet Mosin Nagants usually tell a unique story that allows you to trace the gun's history to a certain extent. For instance my first Mosin Nagant was a Finnish Velmet M91. The serial number on it told me it came from an armoury in Karelia and the stamp on the receiver told me that it was made from a Belgian barrel that was cast in 1942, but not assembled until 1945, meaning it never saw action and was likely a reserve gun until it was imported by Georgia Arms (import mark beneath the muzzle). Approximately 5000 of those were made. The stock had an imprint of two cannons crossed on it, meaning it was of Finnish origin, as that's distinctly a Finnish stockmaker's mark. The tiniest little barrel shank mark had the distinct VKT on it meaning it was a Velmet. It still had cosmoline on it when I picked it up from Collector's Firearms in Houston, so I was likely the only owner, and by some miracle it came with the incredibly rare bayonet, which differs from the Soviet one in that it is issued with a scabbard. You gotta look out for every detail on these guns, because every single one of them tells a story. Mosin Nagants are always covered in stamps and markings that allow you to uncover it. The meanings of these stamps and markings are easily available on the internet. Let me do you a favour here. I know a guy who's selling his collection. He's an individual guy selling off tons of surplus rifles he owns. I haven't bought from him yet, but I've spoken to him online before. Seems legit. He still has some M39s left last I checked and they're in great condition for a fair price judging by the photos. Google search Manowar's military surplus. You might be able to get a good deal one.
I had a bit difficulties clicking thumb up on this one, but I did. How did all these end up over seas, while there are not many available back here in Finland? Still good to see that M39's are valued over there too.
+jpenna1976 it's not our fault you guys decided to export them. They are awesome guns...I personally love them. I'm sure a lot of people here will agree with me
***** I know and I'm glad you like them. Who ever sold them, probably took easy way out and gave all remaining in a single purchase. Take care of our military history, because we obviously can't. All remaining M31 Suomi smg's, which have been previously sold with light deactivation (bolt cut in angle, chamber drilled & welded and few holes in the barrel), will be welded so that nothing moves, barrels drilled, cut, welded from several places. This is due to recent EU deact directive change. I consider that all remaining value on those M31 is lost.
+jpenna1976 I just ordered one. I'm one of these people that considers myself the "temporary caretaker" of my things - that they'll end up in someone else's hands some day. The rifle will be treated with much respect - especially knowing the history I do of the Fins and how awesome you guys were in WW2!
carl23401 Lets hope you get a nice one. Those more worn out ones have probably been in conscript use and better ones are from war stock, stored in crates inside caves and tunnels somewhere.
When their first shipment came in a few years ago I bought one for 325.00 / It was a beautiful example. They sold out almost immediately. I've done a lot of business with Ben and company...never been disappointed. You have to shop their inventory. Wait for the deals and jump on stuff when it first comes in for the best picks. Carry on!
Those tags are inspection cards. For example it says ASE 762 KIV 39 it means Weapon 7.62 rifle model 39. Also it has rifles serial number Actual caliber, rifles wearnes and who where and when has inspected the gun. The inspection is made by finnish armys mechanics and gunsmiths
Very cool insight Eric and a great opportunity. Thank you. I love sifting through surplus too. WWII era stuff is drying up thats for sure! Never ordered a gun online before, I should look into it....
Damn it eric, i've wanted one of these for so long and i recently had a sixth sense to google search surplus websites. Opened a whole bunch of tabs, just browsing. Got to Classic's website and the front page was plastered with pics of these and big ass bold letters saying LAST BATCH. Needless to say, i flipped shit, made an account and had one in the cart in a heartbeat. However, i gave it a day to sit on my mind, just to see if i could afford it and make sure i wanted one. I got the notice on my phone when this video came out and all i could say was, "Son of a bitch...if i want one i better finish my order now before theyre sold out". Look what you made me do, eric, this is your fault...you made my mind up for me. I love you, you beautiful bastard.
I've bought a Sako and a Sneak from them already. BEAUTIFUL Rifles. And now you just HAD to put this video up. I need a VKT, and a S.K.Y.Y and a B barrel, and a..................... YOU ARE NOT HELPING!!! LOL Seriously thanks guys!
It says in the tag you show at 6:46: "Aligned____________ Aligner__JT__" Reversed T shape Arrow up. "Aim point in machine aligning shooting distance 30 m Aim point in gun range aligning 150 m at target center, shooting distance 150 m Shot group to be transferred in the target below" That's a free translation. It's hard to make sense even in Finnish, but anywho...
Eric the word Puolustuslaitos is straight translated as Department of defense and how you say it is Puolustuslaitos just like it's written in the gun. Markings [SA] means Suomen Armeija a.k.a Finnish Defense Forces. You will see markings like SKY in these guns and that means this Association of volunteer soldiers who wanted to defend their country SKY= Suojeluskunta yhdistys. I hope this helped you some with the markings and translation.
Purchased a Finn M39 over 20 years ago. $109.00 out the door. Lucked out...turned out to be a "B" barrel. One of the best shooting rifles I have ever shot. Will never sell it no matter the offer. Prices these days for most milsurps has taken all the fun out of collecting.
I'm fortunate enough to have gotten a nice Sako from classic this past year, and it shoots as well it looks (although I didn't get a tiger striped stock like I was hoping....) It's absolutely one of my favorite rifles in my collection-but I really do feel for the Finnish people to be honest, it must not be a good feeling knowing that your country's military heritage was sold off long ago to a bunch of people across the ocean. I'll do my part to preserve your history
Those hangtags just basically tells you the basic info about the gun. like model, gun serial, caliber and also who maintenanced it and who checked it. Then there's date when this was done and possibly some other notes which would be after huomautuksia. I would love to have m/39 or its older brother the m/27 but they are surprisingly rare here in finland and also hard to get even if you find one since we have very strict gun policies.
Wow, cool! I got it off a auction site and just set my max bid high enough I was sure to get it. I was very surprised when it went almost all the way to my "fail safe" bid. I was very happy with its condition when I saw it.
Eric, the D denotes that the rifle was chambered for standard Finnish service ammo with D166-bullet that has very large ogive. Not tight chamber at all...All m/39s were D-chambered from the drawing table i.e. the D-marking is actually useless info on m/39s.
Thanks for uploading... I was on the fence about buying one but this video + this being their last shipment made me order one just now. I'm looking forward to getting my rifle!
Complements of Vic Thomas regarding the large T on the stock The large "T" on this rifle identifies it as belonging to the ordinance department in charge of issuing equipment and most probably in charge of the storage facilities handling the stockpiles of equipment. The "T" stands for "Taisteluvälinehallinto" and was also found commonly as an ink stamp or impress on leather goods like slings.
I have a M39 Sako I got from Pat burns before classic bought all them that has lines cut in the stock near the bolt, possibly "kill" marks, I always loved the character these rifles have, I gave my Dad an M91 Finn capture with initials and trench art and Civil Guard numbers, and I am not afraid to say that i will get more, I want a M39 VKT and a M28/30 next
VKT stands for Valtion Kivääritehdas "States Rifle Factory" build 1926 in Jyväskylä. Later that factory changed name to Valmet (Valtion metallitehtaat) "States Metal Factories"
+Boydon21 Sako in the other hand is Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja konepaja Oy "Civil guards gun and machinery" based in Riihimäki. Factory started in 1921. Suojeluskunta was voluntary national defence organisation. Later the Allied Control Commission (read: Soviet unions control commission" turned down the organisation as a "fascist". Still uses the same company name.
Great video. I picked up two of them last year in the initial and 2nd batch and love them. Great shooters. Buy one just to have one in your collection.
at 9:30 the hang-tag translates to:
Gun:
Number: 26689 Caliber: 7.64
Taper: 0,02 Degree of corrosion: 1P2
Manufacturer/Repairer:
Inspector:
Date: 22.08.1979
Additional notes on the backside
I left stuff blank because the markings are so pale that I cant read them...
And the word at 10:30 "puollustuslaitos translates to "department of defence"
Btw, I'm a Finn and most words are pronounced just like they are written.
+Assassin Agent I think Syöp.aste comes from "syöpymis aste / corrosion state".
+Assassin Agent Syöp.aste. Syöpymis aste. "The degree of corrosion." If there's a number it tells how badly the barrel is damaged by rust.
Asko83 Kiitos avusta =D Muokkaanpä äkkiä...
Same in english for you other people: Thanks, I'll edit my comment.
+Assassin Agent Puolustuslaitos on yhdellä L:llä. Ja eikös SA oo Suomen armeija eli Finnish army.
+NearCry91 Translated from Finnish: Defense Department is one of L has. And is not it oo Finnish Finnish army or army.
Hi, a Finn gun nut here. Translations:
SA = Suomen Armeija = Finnish Army
Puolustusvoimat = Department of Defence
There's some Finnish commenting on this video. The guys are profaning humorously: "who the fuck sent our M39s to America?!?!". We love them, too. I think we still have plenty of them here. Please take good care of the M39s. Cheers.
I had 3 M39's stolen from my home around 10 years ago. Without a doubt, they were the most accurate surplus rifles I've ever shot. The barrels were pristine. Wish I had them back.
9:31 the tag says:
Weapon: 762 KIV 39
# 26698
Cal. 7.64
Conicalilty 0.02
Degree of Corrosion: 1P2
Manufactured / Repaired [strikeover] by Ase V1 (=Asevarikko 1 / Arsenal 1)
Inspected by JK VO [probably some persons' initials]
Date 220879 (=Aug 22nd, 1979)
The tiger stripe looking stocks looks so awesome, I want one!
ShockAndAwe417 agreed it's great look. So natural
ShockAndAwe417 that is curly birch. Wood it self is quite rare.
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Makes me happy these historic guns get to be used again. Greets from finland.
They are a treasure for sure! Hard to find now a days
Thumbs up if you think Ian from Forgotten Weapons should pay a visit to these guys and give a master class on markings and variants. =)
I got a 1942 VKT from the first batch. Its a beautiful rifle. Most of the first batch they received sold out in 15min - 1hr depending on the make and options. Classic firearms is a awesome place to order firearms from i have bought atleast 6 rifles i can think of, i would have to check my bound book for exact numbers.
I love surplus firearms. There is so much history. Plus I can get them shipped straight to my door with my C&R FFL.
4:00 JESUS THAT STRAIGHT STOCK M39 LOOKS AMAZING!!!
I've spent some dough at Classic Firearms and I have to say they have not let me down! My first purchase from them were two hand select mosins, one a hex 91/30 laminated Hammer and sickle with big star, I think it's a Russian Tula, with black epoxy patched bullet strike to side right above magazine. I refinished the stock and left the patch, blueing was 98% blueing. The second one an M44 hex with laminated stock about 90% blueing, not sure of the origin. I bought a S&W M&P 40 Cal police buy back that doesn't even look to ever been holstered, $399. And a few months back when they had those gorgeous Yugoslavian SKS's, hand selected and let me say it looked to never been fired with one tiny dent on what looks to be a beautiful Walnut stock. These guys do their work and seem to really find some great stuff! I can't praise Classic Firearms enough!
The T is a test rifle that would be used to check the condition of the storage facility and of the guns
The hadtag in place 9:30 says gun number:26689, Cal 7,64 (so has been shot, barrel bore has grown to that) Kartio taper 0,02 (mm maybe) valmistanut Ase v1 Produced by weapon depot 1, Tarkastanut (vheked by) JK VO (initials) PVM date 22nd August 1979. Observations in reverse side huomautuksen kääntöpuolella.
That's right down the road for me. I need to make a stop in as well :D
dig another look into their dungeon of goodies . dig another vid man.
+Mrgunsngear Channel Same, I just don't have the money. -_-
Classic Firearms is one of my favorite gun stores, I've bought a few really nice guns from them.
Best unboxing vid on youtube to date
+MisfitFourOne thanks! We can do more like this if you guys want to see it
+Iraqveteran8888 more un-boxings and more mil surps. I have been following classic firearms for a while and have bought a few. They do things many others can't buy acquiring these pieces of history
@@Iraqveteran8888 what would be a fair price for one .
@@Iraqveteran8888 how much would one in that box cost .the one he has in his hand is just plain beatiful .I sure would love to have one .will you be getting any at mosspawn shop.
Great video, IV8888. I have always liked Classic Firearms but I like them even more after watching the professionalism, honesty and genuine love for firearms that was represented in this video. Best of luck to the both of you.
When they said they got all of those guns that were left in Finland it was actually kind of sad. That's their history right there.
Haha hell no they got all of them
I've ordered 11 guns from classic so far....my favorite online retailer by far. Iraqvet and Ben in the same vid !! I'm a happy camper
"Puolustuslaitos" is the old name for Finnish Defense Forces. The pronunciation is hard to explain as vocals sound different from what they are in English. The syllables are Puo-lus-tus-lai-tos. Easiest would be to break the word in to three parts, Puo-lustus-laitos and then trying to say them without breaks and you get pretty close to the correct spelling.
The tag seems to be an inspection report of some sort. My guess is that this is inspection before it was shipped out of the factory as the "Valmistanut / Korjannut" has the later part crossed over and it means repaired and the first one that is not crossed over is manufactured. The other side of the tag has the more specific notes of the inspection.
Bad language
The tag at 9:33
Weapon: 762 KIV 39 (The Finnish military designation for the rifle: caliber - type of weapon - year of adoption)
Serial number: 26689
Caliber: 7,64
Cone: 0,02
Degree of corrosion: 1P2
Manufactured/Refurbished by: Ase V1
Ispected by: JK VO
Date: Aug 22 1979
Notes on the other side of the tag
God damn it Eric ive spent over 1000 dollars today on mil surp because of you...
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+Iraqveteran8888 hey why is it that they arent shipping these to the us any more. i can never get a good answer. some people tell me that they stopped importing them bc of obamas exectutive order banning imports of russian firearms. is this the reason?
+mac andrews
Simple, theres no more left to import. Finland is a small country, they only made so many and havent made any since... The Russian ban only applies to Russia.
+dragonslayer6766 you are a lucky man, my friend
yup hand select M39, and a lithgow refurbished 1942 smle :)
(WOW NEVER SAW A SMILE THAT BIG ERIC YOU ARE TRULY A BLESSED MAN) them look great
Eric please!!!!! Make a video of the surplus ammo test!!!
7.62x54r to be exact!
Thank you to both the company and the usual guys. Great video. Thanks again.
my grandfather gave me a m39 with the bayonet and the gun saw some combat because it was beaten and has tick marks on the stock
eric another great video,i drive a truck and every evening while on break I watch your videos over and oven.very well done as always.also I am a big customer of classic firearms.
And VKT stands for Valtion Kivääritehdas (State Rifle Factory)
Received a Mosin 91/30 from CLASSIC FIREARMS ,great people to work with.A+ dealer.Nice video Eric and Ben.
Eric is just a straight up awesome down to earth cool human being. And Brandy is too. Love from the #AONfamily
+Brandon Bond thanks Brandon...would love to come swim in the dragons toilet sometime! Lol
+Iraqveteran8888 i am ordering a ugo SKS from them tomorrow by coincidence , if i had space in my safe i would get one of those, i might swap my ex sniper for one of those
I love it that he is not tacticool. Just a cool dude with a passion for things that go boom.
If you want to see the Finns in action with these M39 rifles, watch "Tali-Ihantala 1944", you can find it here on TH-cam. Excellent, gritty movie.......(but English subtitles).
Hey Eric, how many crates of M39's did you go home with??
Those paper 'tags' are armory gunsmiths "checklists", and have stuff like the depot where it was checked in, the gunsmiths initials, corrosion degrees, sight settings and such on them
PUOLUSTUSLAITOS roughly translates to "Defence administration", Puolustus= Defence, Laitos= Agency, Bureau or Facility
the boxed up [SA] marking stands for Suomen Armeija = Finnish Army, an old term from the finnish military before we coined it the FDF. The marking SA Int however stayed on army issue gear all the way to the early 1960s.
Dont ask me tips for pronounciation, all i can say is just pronounce it the way its written and youll do fine ;) No need to strech or bend anything.
7:19 Hello 🙋♂️I have only one this rifle model m 39 Finnish it is very good and beautiful 👍👍😊😊😊 Really good video Thanks 👍👍👍
I wish I would have known about this. I would have snuck over from Fayetteville and watched the unboxing.
Fayettenam huh?
LOL.... Yes Sir..... Ole Fayettenam!!!!
Arkansas?
+Matthew Carter North Carolina
Hey Iraqveteran8888... @11:42."Puolustuslaitos" is pronounced "Pwo-lews-tews-lie-tos". I know.. not easy.
Love these M39's and did a lot of recreational shooting with those and Suomi KP/-31 as well as the m/44. The last one is a submachine gun and can actually fit the magazine of the KP/-31. Loads of fun shooting it due to its low rate of fire.
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Awesome video guys thanks. I️ myself purchased a hand select grade police trade in from Classic firearms it was a Glock 23 gen 4 sw40 cal and the gun looked brand new when I️ received it and I’ve told most all my family and friends about ClassicFirearms because to me their an awesome amazing company with outstanding customer service and that’s what makes me tell everyone I️ know about Ben and his whole team at ClassicFirearms. Again thanks guys for yet another awesome amazing video.
Guys, its Cyrillic (Ser-ill-ick). Not Krill-ick.
These rifles have been available for years. I see them now and again at gun shows. I 've seen VKT Tikka and Sako. Great guns.
TORILLA TAVATAAN!! no but seriously, what about the Suomi KP-31???
I want a job doing these type of stuff, opening up surplus guns and keeping them maintain , life is good
On a random note I just found out those boxes are really called gaylords. I work in injection molding and everyone around my workplace calls them that. I always thought it was a joke or something. LOL. I guess not.
IIRC the D on the shank refers to the D166 bullet which is a 200 grain projectile made by Lapua. It's a modification to the chamber so that it can accept that projectile, the standard Mosin chamber was too tight for it.
It's too bad Clasic Arms is but a former shadow of what it was when the origional owner ran it years ago. They misrepresent their listings and over charge for garbage. The last batch of Finns they had were advertised as "excellent" and what customers received were broken, rusted, and in some cases unusable rifles.
Buy at your own risk....
This wasn't a tour. This was a rare "unwrapping" video. Thanks for sharing!
The closest I can come up with on how to pronounce "puolustuslaitos" is poo-oh-loose-twos-lie-toss:
Also Sako is pronounced as Sa-ko (sa like in supple or Saiga), not Say-ko.
Nice in-depth video btw!
I really wish we could get gear from Classic. They have been on my bookmark bar for years. Gee I am never ceased to be amazed by what we here in Australia cant have, even though we have proved ourselves as good fire arms owner for years.
For those who are wondering. Sako is pronounced the way he first says it when he's talking about pronouncation, or atleast if you are speaking finnish. It was actually quite spot on, very un-american finnish pronouncation.
Actually eric pronounces it very correctly also. Good job! You failed puolustuslaitos miserably tho.
Wow so many oldies but goodies there #IV8888 you are so lucky to inspect the last lot of M39, i want one so badly because its the last lot of M39 in the country as you said.
I guess when you have the opportunity to use the word "Gaylord" without taking flak ,you take it.
+Snake Plissken wtf is it? the crate?
+Snake Plissken "In the U.S. and Canada, the term gaylord is sometimes used for triplewall corrugated pallet boxes; this is due to the first bulk bins being manufactured by the original Gaylord Container Company of St. Louis, which was acquired by Crown Zellerbach of San Francisco in 1955."
+Yeah Bee yes
Stock on the hand select Sako I got from the first batch Classic introduced was not very desirable, had dowel rods holding the splice together with modern wood glue. The metal was great, mostly matching parts and an antique receiver so I was happy about that. Some day I'll find a replacement stock and continue to advance the collection to have more of these fine specimens of military history! But the money is not there at the moment...
He sure does like saying gaylord alot lol
+Tommy TwoGun Heck Yeah
+Tommy TwoGun He's a funny focker
Its because hes a gay lord
I could live and be perfectly happy just opening up these crates, and seeing this history.
Got one of these and I was sorely disappointed. I was so hyped up, but for the first couple of batches, they were sold before I could fill out my info!
When I finally got mine, it had a big crack in the stock and rust. Classic Firearms said the M39s were in VERY GOOD/GOOD condition and mine was certainly not that. When I posted my review + video a few months ago, I said that perhaps they should the damaged ones for less and list them as FAIR. Strangely, I could not find my review afterwards. Was it an error, or was it deleted?
Now months later, they are offering rifles with cracked barrels and rust for 100 dollars less :(
+ClassicRockLivesOn You are not alone. They screwed a LOT of people over just like you got screwed. Gunboards has (had?) a huge thread where people were posting what they got from Classic, and they were sending out broken stocks and rusted rifles as hand select. Then the mods at gunboards tried to lock the thread and delete negative posts because Classic is a forum sponsor for them.
It was a huge scam, start to finish. And all the videos they have posted unboxing each batch of these rifles, they only show the best ones. Under those good ones are a lot of trash. Classic doesn't post negative reviews for the most part, so they have done a good job covering up the hand select scam on these rifles.
+ClassicRockLivesOn Oh, and the guy who wrote the very positive review at the bottom of their description page is a mod at gunboards, a forum sponsored by Classic. He wrote that review without seeing a single one of their rifles first (he admitted this). No conflict of interest there, huh?
What a mess. That place was crazy for a few weeks while the mods and Classic tried to do damage control. They managed to silence a lot of the complaints. Hopefully they learned to be more honest from that experience, but it was enough to keep me from ordering a single one of these from them, and they lost a lot of repeat customers, like me.
+ClassicRockLivesOn As a collector of Mosin Nagants, I can say you've fallen for the most common scam in buying them: buying a random one that you cannot look at or inspect beforehand from a bulk importer. Classic Firearms and Century Arms (through Cabella's) are the two most guilty of this. Classic Firearms expects you to pay extra for a "hand selected top condition" M39 that is actually a decrepit piece of shit that's been rotting outside of its cosmoline for years, and Century Arms just takes a random Soviet barrel, paints the stock (poorly, with varnish all over the metal) grabs a bolt out of a pile, and sells it at Cabella's where you're not allowed to touch it.
I'll buy Mosin Nagant's online if I find one that I feel is special (has rare marks on it such as Russian Empire stamps or Finnish captures of Soviet weapons), but I always make sure I at least have pictures I can look at. Bulk importers do not care what they sell you as long as you pay. That's why they're so cheap. Pay an extra 100 and buy from a collector-friendly firearms store, or on Gunbroker and ask all the questions you need to.
In fact, let me add this to my rant, it's outright dangerous to buy a Mosin Nagant without at least knowing if the firing pin is adjusted properly on the bolt. Some people have lost eyes and noses that way.
That being said, good luck shopping.
Cainus44
I thought this one was special because it was Sako, oh well.
On a slightly related (and equally disappointing) note, I found an absolutely beautiful Sako M39 at a LGS that caters more towards tactical stuff. It was actually cheaper than the one from Classic, and had the prettiest stock. The employee told me it had been sitting there for months, and that no one who came to the store bought "guns like that". I didn't have the money with me, so I came back three days later, and it was gone. The guy said they sold it the day before. The hunt continues.
ClassicRockLivesOn
Most M39s are Sakos, but the thing to remember is that all Finnish guns are of extremely high quality regardless of the brand, because Finnish gunsmiths at the time were among the most meticulous and and careful in the world. Finnish Mosin Nagants are special no matter what, but a special Finnish Mosin among Finnish Mosins is going to have special marks on the receiver. That's usually how I tell whether or not I'm interested in something. The receivers on Finnish and Soviet Mosin Nagants usually tell a unique story that allows you to trace the gun's history to a certain extent.
For instance my first Mosin Nagant was a Finnish Velmet M91. The serial number on it told me it came from an armoury in Karelia and the stamp on the receiver told me that it was made from a Belgian barrel that was cast in 1942, but not assembled until 1945, meaning it never saw action and was likely a reserve gun until it was imported by Georgia Arms (import mark beneath the muzzle). Approximately 5000 of those were made. The stock had an imprint of two cannons crossed on it, meaning it was of Finnish origin, as that's distinctly a Finnish stockmaker's mark. The tiniest little barrel shank mark had the distinct VKT on it meaning it was a Velmet. It still had cosmoline on it when I picked it up from Collector's Firearms in Houston, so I was likely the only owner, and by some miracle it came with the incredibly rare bayonet, which differs from the Soviet one in that it is issued with a scabbard.
You gotta look out for every detail on these guns, because every single one of them tells a story. Mosin Nagants are always covered in stamps and markings that allow you to uncover it. The meanings of these stamps and markings are easily available on the internet.
Let me do you a favour here. I know a guy who's selling his collection. He's an individual guy selling off tons of surplus rifles he owns. I haven't bought from him yet, but I've spoken to him online before. Seems legit. He still has some M39s left last I checked and they're in great condition for a fair price judging by the photos. Google search Manowar's military surplus. You might be able to get a good deal one.
I like this video a lot, you guys are very professional and experienced in front of the camera.
I had a bit difficulties clicking thumb up on this one, but I did. How did all these end up over seas, while there are not many available back here in Finland? Still good to see that M39's are valued over there too.
+jpenna1976 it's not our fault you guys decided to export them. They are awesome guns...I personally love them. I'm sure a lot of people here will agree with me
***** I know and I'm glad you like them. Who ever sold them, probably took easy way out and gave all remaining in a single purchase.
Take care of our military history, because we obviously can't. All remaining M31 Suomi smg's, which have been previously sold with light deactivation (bolt cut in angle, chamber drilled & welded and few holes in the barrel), will be welded so that nothing moves, barrels drilled, cut, welded from several places. This is due to recent EU deact directive change. I consider that all remaining value on those M31 is lost.
+jpenna1976 I just ordered one. I'm one of these people that considers myself the "temporary caretaker" of my things - that they'll end up in someone else's hands some day. The rifle will be treated with much respect - especially knowing the history I do of the Fins and how awesome you guys were in WW2!
carl23401 Lets hope you get a nice one. Those more worn out ones have probably been in conscript use and better ones are from war stock, stored in crates inside caves and tunnels somewhere.
It's a "hand-pick", so it shouldn't be too bad. Classic Firearms has a pretty good reputation. We'll see when it arrives.
When their first shipment came in a few years ago I bought one for 325.00 / It was a beautiful example. They sold out almost immediately. I've done a lot of business with Ben and company...never been disappointed. You have to shop their inventory. Wait for the deals and jump on stuff when it first comes in for the best picks. Carry on!
Don't email Eric crap about it. His wife does the emails and is a nice woman. :) They are some nice guns.
Those tags are inspection cards. For example it says ASE 762 KIV 39 it means Weapon 7.62 rifle model 39. Also it has rifles serial number Actual caliber, rifles wearnes and who where and when has inspected the gun. The inspection is made by finnish armys mechanics and gunsmiths
It is hard for me to watch this as a finnish person
+jonimies295 why?
+Son of a Zombie It is sad to see that those beautifull finnish guns are not in Finland
+Son of a Zombie He prolly wants those rifles himself
+Son of a Zombie because a bunch of yankeedoodles have his countries rifles.
CookieTrooper HP YEAH!!!
I have bought all my surplus rifles from Classic, great company and good people.
Finland is one of the lost provinces of the Roman Empire.
+Dom Degood nobody talks about that these days. Good on you.
Really entertaining and informative thanks for your time and efforts on this I really enjoyed watching this and I learned so much.
puolustus laitos= Department of defense
Another one that I'll be watching again later. Good vid guys.
SA = Suomen Armeija = Finnish Army
Way-to-go guys and kudos to Classic firearms! Great video!
why do they keep saying gaylord?
+Richard Marks There third wave feminists.
John McNamara ^ lol xD
gaylord is nothing more than a huge box shipment primarily used for transporting large quantities of items.
Richard Marks I thought someone would think that was funny!
Thats what the name of the giant box. Sounds weird ik. Used yo handle shit like that
Very cool insight Eric and a great opportunity. Thank you.
I love sifting through surplus too. WWII era stuff is drying up thats for sure!
Never ordered a gun online before, I should look into it....
Puolustuslaitos translates to "point the steel end east".
+piikkiniska Cheeky
Damn it eric, i've wanted one of these for so long and i recently had a sixth sense to google search surplus websites. Opened a whole bunch of tabs, just browsing. Got to Classic's website and the front page was plastered with pics of these and big ass bold letters saying LAST BATCH. Needless to say, i flipped shit, made an account and had one in the cart in a heartbeat. However, i gave it a day to sit on my mind, just to see if i could afford it and make sure i wanted one. I got the notice on my phone when this video came out and all i could say was, "Son of a bitch...if i want one i better finish my order now before theyre sold out". Look what you made me do, eric, this is your fault...you made my mind up for me. I love you, you beautiful bastard.
+Jacob Goodwin you're welcome? 😇
i feel sad that the guns that kept us independed agains russia... are so far from home... =(
Don't worry, we will give them lots of love!
i hope they last from generation to generation there and not be bashed etc
I got mine, and she's beautiful. I will definitely hand it down to the next generation if I ever have kids!
i recently bought a tt-c rorkarev from classic firearms great service, great guys, great prices, great guns.
+nathan buck You played the lottery and won. Not everyone gets lucky with them.
lucky with what the tt-c, or classic firearms?
every review of the tt-c that i have seen is positive.
for some reason this video seemed like a Christmas unboxing special :) would have loved to get one of them.
I've bought a Sako and a Sneak from them already. BEAUTIFUL Rifles. And now you just HAD to put this video up. I need a VKT, and a S.K.Y.Y and a B barrel, and a..................... YOU ARE NOT HELPING!!! LOL Seriously thanks guys!
As a descendant of a Finnish immigrant I can say whole heartedly this is an awesome rifle RIP Grandma
+Charles Baker RIP Simo Hayha!
I got a SK.Y M39 from classic firearms and it's absolutely beautiful.
Thanks eric and ben what a treat great video guys
It says in the tag you show at 6:46: "Aligned____________ Aligner__JT__"
Reversed T shape
Arrow up.
"Aim point in machine aligning
shooting distance 30 m
Aim point in gun range aligning 150 m at target
center, shooting distance 150 m
Shot group to be transferred in the target below"
That's a free translation. It's hard to make sense even in Finnish, but anywho...
Eric the word Puolustuslaitos is straight translated as Department of defense and how you say it is Puolustuslaitos just like it's written in the gun. Markings [SA] means Suomen Armeija a.k.a Finnish Defense Forces. You will see markings like SKY in these guns and that means this Association of volunteer soldiers who wanted to defend their country SKY= Suojeluskunta yhdistys. I hope this helped you some with the markings and translation.
Purchased a Finn M39 over 20 years ago. $109.00 out the door. Lucked out...turned out to be a "B" barrel. One of the best shooting rifles I have ever shot. Will never sell it no matter the offer. Prices these days for most milsurps has taken all the fun out of collecting.
I'm fortunate enough to have gotten a nice Sako from classic this past year, and it shoots as well it looks (although I didn't get a tiger striped stock like I was hoping....) It's absolutely one of my favorite rifles in my collection-but I really do feel for the Finnish people to be honest, it must not be a good feeling knowing that your country's military heritage was sold off long ago to a bunch of people across the ocean. I'll do my part to preserve your history
Those hangtags just basically tells you the basic info about the gun. like model, gun serial, caliber and also who maintenanced it and who checked it. Then there's date when this was done and possibly some other notes which would be after huomautuksia. I would love to have m/39 or its older brother the m/27 but they are surprisingly rare here in finland and also hard to get even if you find one since we have very strict gun policies.
Wow, cool! I got it off a auction site and just set my max bid high enough I was sure to get it. I was very surprised when it went almost all the way to my "fail safe" bid. I was very happy with its condition when I saw it.
Eric, the D denotes that the rifle was chambered for standard Finnish service ammo with D166-bullet that has very large ogive. Not tight chamber at all...All m/39s were D-chambered from the drawing table i.e. the D-marking is actually useless info on m/39s.
Thanks for uploading... I was on the fence about buying one but this video + this being their last shipment made me order one just now. I'm looking forward to getting my rifle!
I miss these days.
A lot has changed in just the last 5 years.
Always enjoyed sifting through mil-surp myself, curious to see what ya'll picked out for yourselves.
Another cool vid, keep em coming man.
Complements of Vic Thomas regarding the large T on the stock
The large "T" on this rifle identifies it as belonging to the ordinance department in charge of issuing equipment and most probably in charge of the storage facilities handling the stockpiles of equipment. The "T" stands for "Taisteluvälinehallinto" and was also found commonly as an ink stamp or impress on leather goods like slings.
The finish on the rifles is beautiful.
I MUST get one of those.The Finns were pluggin down the Russkies with those rifles as well as with Swedish Mausers in the winter war during WWII.
I have a M39 Sako I got from Pat burns before classic bought all them that has lines cut in the stock near the bolt, possibly "kill" marks, I always loved the character these rifles have, I gave my Dad an M91 Finn capture with initials and trench art and Civil Guard numbers, and I am not afraid to say that i will get more, I want a M39 VKT and a M28/30 next
thanks Eric you just made my want list on the gun list longer. now just need the funds to grow too.
Awesome! More surplus unboxing vids. So cool man.... So cool!
VKT stands for Valtion Kivääritehdas "States Rifle Factory" build 1926 in Jyväskylä. Later that factory changed name to Valmet (Valtion metallitehtaat) "States Metal Factories"
+Boydon21 Sako in the other hand is Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja konepaja Oy "Civil guards gun and machinery" based in Riihimäki. Factory started in 1921. Suojeluskunta was voluntary national defence organisation. Later the Allied Control Commission (read: Soviet unions control commission" turned down the organisation as a "fascist". Still uses the same company name.
Of course, it is nice when somebody likes something that is the best.
Congratulations on your 1 million plus subscribers.
Great video. I picked up two of them last year in the initial and 2nd batch and love them. Great shooters. Buy one just to have one in your collection.
I loved this video and would love to see more behind the scenes with Classic Firearms and maybe even Aim Surplus!