Contractor with green shirt who did not id himself who spoke about plight of seniors dealing with acid H2O and Jason who has been locked out of his own living area had issues needing immediate action. They were well spoken and gave detailed information. Jason repeatedly stated that many farmers were affected by these concerns. This is first time as mainlander, viewing video of the terrible hardships of people of Hawaii, it seems as if bureaucrats are out of touch with immediate pressing problems resolution. This was a very sad ending to this video - prayers for the people of Hawaii. But what is necessary now besides heartfelt prayers is immediate action to truly help. Problems will only get worse if not promptly resolved. Bureaucracies are being proven to hinder rather than help those in great need.
Third speaker is wise beyond his years..as well the fourth...stand together people..the power is truly with the people. What we as a people, a specie, a "civilized" society allow will continue. Much love and respect.
I'm on the side of all the people that are angry. We lost my grandma's 6.5 acre property with a beautiful house that my dad built with his hands and money....and we get nothing
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. Did you not have insurance? Was it near the volcano? We are truly trying to understand the plight of those who choose to live near a volcano and even after erupting, are refusing to move. Maybe if someone could explain w/out anger or hatred what they want it would help.
Darlene OHara the house was being refurbished and no one was living in it. You cannot get insurance on an empty house even though you still own it and it is being worked on and will be used and is still worth money. People have various reasons for wanting to stay. The number one reason is most likely that they do not have the money to move or have nowhere else to go. The other side of the coin is that these people put their entire lives and soul into making their properties beautiful and exactly what they want them to be. Does that sound like something you would want to just walk away from with a smile? And the reason that they all live down there in the danger zone is because most were deceived into believing it was never going to happen by the sellers when buying the properties
BRS: Of course you can get insurance on a house that is under re-construction. The government owes you nothing. You are responsible to insure your own property.
Your family built on a fucking volcano and you expect people to flip the bill for your family's Collective stupidity I don't think so! Why don't you go build a house in the Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans at least you got better odds slightly better odds!
the residents are fuming and I don't blame them. they have been let down evertime this guy is asked questions he always say "you can talk to me aftter" Starting to remind me of P.Rico
I live in California, and I dont even think they should bring bus loads of people to gawk. It's a private residential area. If the residents can't go near it ( their homes) , It just seems sleazy to me... Good luck to you all !!! Sincerely
2011ACVVV Its not a lack of respect, its a unhealty shift in the paradigma of being a county service. They lost there way in understanding that they have to serve the locals, not serve there made plans, written rules and whatnot. And yes👍 im with u. It was rude. I feel ashamed watching this and be unable to help🙁
Harry Kuheim Yeah, i love u to🤣 When ur house and your belongings are gone, it doesnt matter that u left with a property. Anyway, those people not crybabying that there houses be gone, the where offendet that they where treated like shit, by stupid “law” enforcers. What use got a law that wont let u to ur house still standing and is not endanered in any kind or way? Those people not want exactly help from anyone, they want to proceed there dutys without gettin interupted all the time. Did u heare there problems? What would u say when a state send fucker came to ur house an forbid u to lock it? What would u say, when ur survailence cam show someone looting ur house and u want let pass because of a fuckin form is not filled correct? And of course the officer cant get those thieve because he feel more duty to check ur form. Its not ust there, its all over the developed world, that the state lost his sense in serving people but start to drive them like they have somewhat royalty.
This is what the nanny state looks like when they try to protect you from yourself "for your own safety". The people in this meeting are witnessing what government provided security really looks like. It's nice to see people wanting private property rights, self determination, and freedom again. Maybe all isn't lost after all.
I am 4,000 miles away and I can feel the pain of these local folks...the gov't are just drones, worker bees at least care about the other bees. My heart goes out to the residents of Hawai'i, bless your aching hearts
Judithann Barton The state does not care about you or the Hawaiians. The state is gonna take Leilani away from the people. Come on Hawaiian you honestly think the state care about you. The state could give a shit about you. No empathy. State don’t give a fuck about you. That’s not my opinion it’s a fact.
Oh they care... they care if people start standing together and speaking up for what is right...they care..likewise make efforts to silence and stop truth.
I'm glad that the Mainland is still watching Kilauea. My grass roots organization is highly pissed about last night and my attorney is looking at what avenues the people of Puna have open for them to make change during a natural disaster. Puna has not been forgotten. I know many Hawaiian's don't like outsides, I hope we can offer good news. Of course we will go through the Hub and proper channels. This is bullshit.
Well when an island is potentially at threat for a major eruption because of the collapses, your personal shit doesn't matter when all of your lives are potentially in danger. They're just not telling you.
Those that desire it, should be given the option of having their properties condemned. For a home still standing yet inaccessible, some homeowners insurance won't pay a dime until the condemnation.
---}--❁ I have been warned by dutchsinse that I would see something incredible concerning the treatment of the people. And yes, I have never seen anything like this. No plans? No explications? Just, oh we have declared an emergency state for your house, so you need to understand that we have to cut your human rights and treat you like kind of underage criminals in prison. With one difference: You're not in, you're out. ---}--❁
Disregard for Native Hawaiian Philosophy regarding the treatment Of the land and what the local people from Leilani estates that are being put thru because of local politicians is wrong and atrocious.
ALOHA Everyone, All dis old Aunty can say is, "wow... so much disrespect shown to these residents!" Whether they were kanaka, haole, or whatevah, NOONE deserved the DISRESPECT they were shown and the Mayor should be ashamed of himself for shutting up every local that was there! Also, shame on EVERYONE who cites locals for walking on a road that takes them to their home WHERE THEY STILL LIVE! SMH! ;-( Hawai'ians know that our land belongs not to us but to the One who created it. For those of us Christians, that is God. But culturally, as Hawai'ians and Hawai'ians -At Heart, we know Aunty Pele gonna make a fuss if she is shown disrespect. So... although that may sound confusing to some, we know that if lava comes to take your home and land away, you have to accept that. We realize that no matter where on the island we live, we live on one volcano no matter how long we live there. God forbid we lose our home, there comes a time we must say, "Aloha 'oe" and be thankful for the time we did enjoy. There is a time and a place for everything under Heaven and God will be there to help us move on... but it's so painful to watch... Again, SHAME on those who think they can disregard the pain and suffering of everyone and shut them up because, what?? The mayor was voted in and if he's not careful, the public who trusted in him will lose their trust. There's a powder keg here that the Mayor and those who make the decisions are causing. If they don't show respect where it's due... I fear the anger could beget violence... and that solves nothing in the end, except injuries or worse. We should be better than this. Sorry my friends, Aunty wrote a book, eh? My proclivity to talk story. Please pray and send good thoughts to everyone affected in Hawai'i. Other islands are dealing with vog... even across the ocean, they're dealing with it. If you've never been in vog... it's rough on your breathing sometimes if its thick and poor folks who have breathing problems like asthma have a rough time with it. Mahalo nui loa (thank you so much) for all your prayers. Have a wonderful day/evening and don't forget to share your aloha spirit with others.
Somebody needs to start listening to these folks in the areas that have been threatened and devastated by the lava flows. I can't imagine what it must be like to live with the uncertainty and lack of meaningful communication with the very agencies that are supposed to be helping. Add to that the intrusion of the helicopters and disregard for personal property. It's truly heart breaking. Mr Rogers would say, "look for the helpers", in times of hardship and tragedy. Those who are a part of the agencies assigned to this situation, please can't you find it in yourselves to be those helpers? If only just to have a listening heart. That's not hard to do. My thoughts and prayers for the communities there and for those who are the helpers.
This disregard, dismissiveness, rudeness, disrespect is NOT the way emergency conditions or the people suffering, are to be handled. There is a long established protocol of how emergency conditions are to be handled, and apparently, that isn't happening here. It is unethical and inappropriate for them to be dismissive to the people. There are real needs, and apparently, the people aren't being heard. Before 1990, when were emergency conditions or the people in an emergency ever treated badly? This is unconscionable, regardless of where it is. There are humane ethics that need to be upheld.
Augusta We all know I wasn't talking about those unconscionable contexts. I was talking about hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, natural disasters, not causes by the evil of Man. Goodhearted Emergency Protocol doesn't follow the evil of Man. The context of this thread and my comment was addressing natural disasters, Yes? Why do people have trouble logically staying within context?
DLNR needs to put forth some sort of effort to rescue the green turtles that are stranded. I've heard many very valid complaints here, to not have someone in Pahoa who can give out the placards, sounds like it would help many people. Talmadge, I get the impression you're trying to do your best - but I don't think you're getting as much backing as you should be receiving from Mayor Kim, the County Council, and even Gov Ige. You're the one who talks with the people, so those I just named should be talking with you. We, as a community should do our utmost to make this whole thing easier for our friends and neighbors. We owe them that much.
Here we go with the Talmadge Magno hero worship again even when he quite clearly just showed he doesn't want to hear your issues and abruptly shut down and dismissed a resident who had legitimate concerns about his safety. When will you people wake up and learn these government officials don't give a shit about you.
I am so impressed with the residents and community members. what needs to be done is a survey of what each resident needs the county supplies it and the commnunity does the work, house by house and all who can help. There is no way an option that all need to help each other. However I do believe the county should be responsible for the water issues and should be delivering water if it is needed. the money is there how much has fema given and how much went to residents I would want the numbers for sure to be public.
Unfortunately for the residents of Leilani Estates, Fissure 8 and the river of lava are probably the hottest tourist attraction in the world right now (no pun intended). The State of Hawaii government will be under huge pressure by the tourism industry to allow as many visitors to view Fissure 8 and the lava river as possible - regardless of how local residents fell about it - especially if the eruption lasts months or years as the USGS has predicted. Too much money on the line. Probably the best that local residents can hope for is to receive a fair price from the state for their properties and real help in relocating. If I were in their shoes, I would insist on a provision from the state that - should the eruption end - gives local residents who sell out the option to repurchase their properties at the price of $1.
WW: Property owners have no expectation to sell worthless property to the government. They knew the risks of owning. They were responsible to have insurance.
Their land is now FAR from worthless. Tourists are coming who will need to cross their land in order to see the eruption. And those tourists will bring 10s to 100s of millions of dollars to the state of Hawaii. The land owners should get a slice of that.
What these residents don't seem to understand is that pretty soon their homes will be nothing more than a lava field and when that happens they will be wishing they could access some type of monetary assistance which could be raised through lava viewing. Unfortunately it seems the majority of native Hawaiians are very racist and hold a lot of bitterness and resentment towards Caucasians, which seem to be what that first speaker was alluding to when he was giving a reason behind this eruption being more "angry".
Sandy Roo to silence their voices from the rest of the world..folks just got to remember there is strength in numbers. Stand for what's right ..simply look out for one another like it where themselves.
sandy roo. It was absolutely shameful the way they suddenly shut down these people's voices, to obscure the shameful way the govt agency is handling things.
The way they were dismissed was completely inappropriate. That is no way to treat people; it alienates them, shuts down communication, indignifies them, offends and does damage to community relations. Whatever happened to diplomacy, empathy, courtesy, tact, and people-skills? To solving problems? Empathy goes such a long way, but dismissiveness causes reciprocal disrespect, and is extremely divisive. What was shown are NOT management skills, but alienation.
Does anyone know how long agency folks stayed AFTER the meeting to address the issues one-on-one? I have a guess . . . but it is only a guess. It appeared to me that the meeting was ended in order to get down to the nitty gritty of talking to folks directly to address specific issues.
This is an example of why people will not leave their homes in a disaster. Once you leave even if your house is still standing they have ways of keeping you from returning. The guy talking about the water being unsafe needs to have answers today~~unless the acidity of the water is a way to keep people from returning and is part if the plan. The "official" that ended the meeting is/was an employee of PGV.
Oh but I thought Talmadge Magno was the champion of this eruption according to the hero worship I see in the comments all the time, and yet when he has an opportunity to address the concerns of residents he just rudely cuts them off and dismisses them.
You chose to live in a lava zone. Just like someone on the mainland lives on the beach. That's why you have insurance . You must know that sooner or later your choice is going to bite you. Accept it and deal with the issues that come up without whining. Former Makaha resident.
Just answer their questions, please. _This was a bit disrespectful for those in attendence, I feel their frustration and can only imagine what they are going through._ (Even though they bought or built near a Volcano, its HOME!) ~ I too have many of the same concerns and questions that were brought up by the Residents and I'm thousands of miles away in South Central Indiana! (I felt disrespected too) Any road, I FEEL your pain people and know it's more than one can imagine. _Wishing I could help in some way._ ~~ *_Truth, Peace, Freedom & L♥ve2ALL™_* *James* 7/25/2018 1:18pm
I am so sorry that you guys have to deal with the outsiders praying and watching everyday.... So sorry they think and have enough nerve to treat you guys this way and sad to say this is the precursor of things to come they dont even listen to you guys.. I apologize for their disrespect to you all...
Been watching for a while now, the main gov guy. He always has this smurk look, like he wants to burst out laughing, i dont know whats up with him, but i get the vibe, like hes a killer, and the lava is covering up his dead bodys. Or like hes up to something. He rubs me the wrong way, ya know. Anyways, i wonder if there is any dirt on him?
Val Tozer I know what you're talking about. That smirk kills me. He seems disingenuous. However I totally disagree with the dead bodies hoopla and possible dirt on him lol. He just sucks in front of the camera in my opinion.
The helicopters have destroyed any semblance of privacy in Leilani and the surrounding subdivisions. The Pahoa area would be off life support with tourist $ if can get tours. Tours right down Leilani Avenue wouldn’t equal much more than the normal traffic Leilani Av saw on a daily basis, and probably less as the tours could be managed, have days off etc. Sure Kalapana was different, but so was Mauna Loa... both references are pointless bc the past is over/gone. If this event continues long time, no can live in Leilani brah, pau. The whole surrounding area will be uninhabitable during Kona winds, no can brah. If stay pumping like dis, in Kona winds brah, Pahoa pau.
The Hawaiian superstition is hilarious!! Cracks me up!! The Hawaiian dude talking about the flows being worse because of viewing is living in the 15th century. Do you think Pele cares about your association , or the government? Ridiculous!
I feel for the residents having to put up with arrogant government employees...those public servants that treat their customers like shit should be fired without unemployment comps...plain and simple. I am not sure if I understand the gentleman representing Leilani Estates H.A...the residents of the association of whom pay the Representative are having problems just exiting and entering...The people of the association should just hold a vote....All in favor....All opposed...they should be Allowed to control their own H.A......TIME to HIRE LAWYER
Saying officials don't care, couldn't be further from the truth. If they didn't care the entire area would be off limits. The would block access to everyone. But they do care. Which is why they are working 24/7 to ensure those who've decided to stay in the evacuation zone remain safe. It would be a lot easier and cheaper to kick everyone out and lock the area down until the eruption ends. Look what happened last week. A tour boat was allowed to get closer than the 300 meter safety zone and now one woman's life has been changed and other will be scarred for life. Exceptions to the rules can and do spell disaster. As for the state wanting to take land.... Why? They receive tax revenue for each acre of land privately owned. Even more tax revenue for each acre farmed. It doesn't make sense to take away revenue. Some of the questions asked can't be answered because this eruption has no end date. Others questions can be addressed privately. Talmadge said he would speak to those waiting to ask a question. What he was trying to avoid is everyone there listening as each person got up to complain rather than ask a relevant question. Systems are in place based on what works for nearly all disaster responses across the country. The issue with not allowing friends to drive into the neighborhood is to deter people from have fifty friends and their vehicles in the area for another lava viewing BBQ. Once you allow one exception, you must allow all others to have the same exception. The gentleman fixing up a rental. He was having friends visit from another island simply to take them to see the lava. That's not acceptable. Now he has a new tenant? That shouldn't be allowed in an evacuation zone either. Granted the rental is in the voluntary evacuation zone. If remaining residents allow friends to visit freely the streets would be congested. If or when a mandatory evacuation is required, traffic could cause loss of life as people try to flee fast moving lava. Living in an evaluation zone isn't supposed to be easy. If you want easy you're going to need to move. While nobody expected this to happen in their lifetime, the warning was there from the moment you purchased your property. Sad? Absolutely. Surprised? A little. Nobody did or could have expected this volume of lava. As for contractors.... Residents can drive to the entrance to escort the contractor and their vehicles to their property. As this drags on they'll likely have some sort of computer notification system at the checkpoints so homeowners can remotely notify the checkpoint of an approved contractor. And yes, unfortunately there's going to be situations where someone such as the elderly won't be able to drive to meet a contractor. As always there is going to be a learning curve for each emergency will be slightly different. Additionally, you can't please everyone. Especially those who feel they're entitled to more than what is necessary. Imaging doing all you can, within your powers, while going out of your way to satisfy everyone only to be yelled at every day. How much of this will you really take? Especially when most of what's being asked of you, you can't possibly provide. Lastly, their is no angry God deep in the mountain. It's simply the plates moving. Preaching Pele this and Pele that is BS. Com'mon people. It's the 21st century. Science can now explain why the earth works the way it does. Yes, we still have more to learn. One day we may even have a way to divert flows, stop eruptions, or start eruptions to create new islands to expand the Hawaiian territory. Keep real traditions alive but forget all the fantasy. On top of the authorized housing in the area you have unpermitted houses. These homes shouldn't be occupied at all. If anything, the state/county should be bulldozing all unpermitted structures being used as housing. If your home is not permitted, don't expect FEMA to pay out.
They didn't yell, UNTIL he dismissively shut down their opportunity to voice their concerns. It communicated that he didn't care, whether he realized it or not. The people were treated dismissively with real rudeness, and there's no excuse for that. Tact and diplomacy weren't used, but alienation and disrespect through dismissiveness was. It sent the message that their concerns weren't shared. People generally won't go speak one on one with those that alienate them. Alienation is not the way to treat people. If they care, it is a simple thing to give a call to the cell-signal provider to bring in a mobile unit. They can give these people answers, but there were none. So many concerns and needs were voiced, and then they were shut down. This is not emergency conditions protocol or solutions; people are not to be treated that way. It was very disrespectful; dismissiveness is alienating. He needs to use tact, empathy, diplomacy, have interest, be solving problems, give answers, be developing plans that address needs, trucking in water or dealing with the issue, and kindly dealing with the people. Alienating them only damages community relations, and causes reciprocal disrespect. No one, but no one, appreciates being treated dismissively. It was very poor judgment. Leadership needs to use people-skills, or they won't follow; they'll be leading no one.
@cameronhollis I agree to disagree. I find myself wondering if you are an “official”? I also wanted to ask if you have any information about the fracking? You seem to know a lot. I say seem because I can not verify much of what you have stated.
Krissy Ross, that's news, but I'm thousands of miles away from Hawai'i, so you'll have to explain. Where is the fracking? It has to be quite some distance away from Kilauea, since that volcano is only a baby; a couple of hundred thousand years old, which will one day become comparable in height and size to its four older sisters. Thanks.
RWBHere Some people argue that it isn't " fracking", that it only provided energy for the region. Just weeks ago, the magma flow entered the property on which the place stands, VERY close. I forgot the name of the place, but look on the map not far from Leilani Estates/lower Puna, or see more videos of this locale, and the volcanic flow in this area > the lava flows right by it. This painted-light-green place (the structures there) are essentially on the " foothills" of the volcano. Many people swear that fracking doesn't trigger seismic/volcanic/geo-active responses, while many say it does. At the moment, all I can recall of the name is something like Puna Geo-thermal/something Venture (?).
right on mark! 'who is this?? PGV? HAOLE GUY you are a landlord ... and NOT a resident part of the community ... this isn't your home! placards are about keeping the owners access yet the thieves out! #4 guy is good ... we need a system streamline. thanks my friend! #5 guy ... DNLR ... HE GOT SHUT DOWN BY COUNTY GUY ... SHAME! NOT COOL AT ALL!
Weʻre not racist. We love when people want to come and visit our home. Personally, Iʻve entertained hundreds of visitors... from friends and family to new-found-friends... they become friends for life! They ALL have an awesome time. Some even come to move here. But they respect the culture, donʻt try to assimilate people here to their cultural views, mores and norms... and embrace our land and help us take care of it. Eh... Hawaii has a way of making you her own, so to speak. And we welcome that. But for the arrogant, rude, selfish people who want to take, take, take without giving back.... eh, do us a favor and donʻt come. Period.
If anything that is the one message that comes through loud and clear since I started watching the eruption and reading through the comments. Native Hawaiians clearly have a lot of bitterness and resentment towards Caucasians and there is a lot of violence against tourists and Caucasian residents reported in their news. I would spend your tourist dollars elsewhere, it is very clear if you have the wrong color skin your money is welcome there but you are not.
Please take some time to learn the history of Hawaiʻi. I recommend Haoles in Hawaiʻi by Judy Rohrer and Aloha Betrayed by Noenoe Silva. You will find that there is a difference between prejudice and racism and that locals and Hawaiians are not racist, but have legitimate grievances.
@ Uluwehi Knecht ...Yes because it's the fault of every white person what happened to the Hawaiians, I bet they believe they would still be living in grass huts if the Europeans didn't colonize them, do they have any clue what would have happened had China claimed Hawaii?
I feel so bad for the people that has to deal with this and their homes...lives..etc. That was very disgraceful...a slap in the face...need to give the people some answers!!
That 1st guy alludes to knowing what and who is causing this. Do not fear these fools who place themselves in charge. If you know something say something and call these people out.
I may not live there now but I was born and raised in Puna. The house I lived in when I was a baby was taken in Kalapana. The house I grew up in on Luana Street is now covered by Fissure 8... Literally under it. My tutus' house on 6.5 acres in Kapoho that I spent about half of my life at is gone. It's all gone.... fucking officials don't give a shit about the pain in our hearts
A situation no one ever expected regardless of Lerz zones. It really seems that Talmadge Magno isn’t the right fit for this job under these conditions. Add Tom Travis to this, who isn’t qualified either but has the job bc of that January 2018 missile alert mess. If the lava doesn’t swallow all of Puna by Thanksgiving, Tal needs to resign & bring in an experienced problem solver, preferably local. imho. Unfortunately Tal’s nervous grin hasn’t bode well for him since the beginning. Truly sad for everyone involved. Wish Pele wld stop but that doesn’t seem likely 😔 Hope. 🍍 Mahalo
Talmadge Magno is exactly the kind of person they want for this job, all this hero worship I see in the comments is misplaced, they've just never seen Magno have to do his job, they're about to learn he works for the government not the people.
It's pathetic that Jason got shut off, but not surprised. I say BULLDSHIT to that. Jason and everyone in the room needs to literally stand together and demand not only answers, but a right to roam freely on their properties and community once proven that they belong there. Don't back down..you own the property not the state.
Puna is (was) full of Low Life Drifters, Tweakers, Squatters , Stoners, New Age Fools, and Surly Locals....80 % of the Homes Destroyed were Air B&B's and Rentals owned by Rich White Democrats who live in Cali and only come on Vacation.....Now we all are expected to feel sorry for them living in a 10/10 Hazardous Seismic Zone ? Just 2 Months ago the Word from this Area was, " Fuck the Mainland"..."Fuck the Government"..."Leave us alone"..."We want to Secede"..."Fuck the Houle"...and of course Fuck Donald Trump" ....Now it's , "Where is my FEMA Money ?"...Where's my new Free House ?... We are Americans too".....Nope...you rolled the Dice with Madame Pele not us...Mahalo
There's is no one higher then the almighty King of kings the Son of man Jesus Christ and his father The Most high period!! You will know the true wrath of the living God. This will not get better its already written. Repent of your sins now there isn't much time left
BRS RC from what I've seen on this channel they don't always upload the video parts in order or even at the same time. Sometimes the completed set of videos isn't even uploaded on the same day. It's weird. 😒
Can they not form sort of co-op business for that entire neighborhood and set up some sort of viewing station? Tear down a few houses for parking, build a elevated viewing station, get two busses and start to get part of the $100/head the choppers are getting. When it’s over at least they all would have a nest egg to start over with and Puna could start to get some tourist $$ back.
I too wonder about the water situation in the Kalapana area.... All of us on catchment water are having issues with high acid in our water. I've heard nothing in addressing this issue that effects us and our health. Our government has way to many regulations, people that just don't care about us. Lets have those in charge live out here and deal with the BS we are going through. Maybe then we will get the services we need and less harassment
This is gonna be harsh DLANR; I think it is a cop out to not answer these peoples questions and address their concerns. I still want to know why you didn’t have the coast gaurd rescue as many Honu and native fish as posible. You even had a contrator voice concerns; and were presented with options to improve the situation. You should have enough data to give them a time table and beable to answer questions about citations. What would you do if Dimond head decided to erupt? You have to be very careful, they have no beach to cleanse at, they are doing everything to be reasonable and understanding don’t create a revolt. So a kind reminder set up a better system and answer the damn questions! Make a slide show complete with graphs if you need to.
For all these folks pointing fingers at "he who dares live in a lava zone" - the govt is still happy to rip these folks with taxes. Theyre still therefor within a systematic proclivity to have a say in whatever happens period. This is a frontier state to a degree, but we are still in the grasp of the government, even the .09 sq ft lot in lava zone 1 for $3000 pays taxes.
These are the risks all knew when they built there. This is why it's was so cheap to do so. What will the whole southeastern coast do if and when loihi blows. For those that don't know what loihi, is its the formation or a new island a few miles out. Our island has been active all my life, my fathers life and my grandfathers and his father before him. As Kilauea collapses and widens, do they not understand that Mauna Loas turn is soon. God lives here this is not destruction but creation, more so a cleansing. So much of that coast is full of staphylococcus we know as Mrsa. Many residents and visitors have contracted flesh eating bacteria from the warm ponds. Most homes on the coast in puna have contaminated the water there with residential sewage waste. It is a shame that homes were lost, but did we not tell u over and over, yes we did, did u not laugh as we told you. Some must learn the hard way. Pahoa next.
Never your property to begin with so all you cry babies should go talk it out with whoever sold stolen property to you. Pele took back what belonged to her
Before you can have lava viewing, you must have lava. By definition. So how then, can you blame the eruption on lava viewing? And how would you know an eruption was "mellow," unless you viewed it? I sympathize with the residents and the hard times that they are going through. But blaming lava viewing seems like little more than a convenient way to channel their anger and frustration onto "outsiders." I don't share the belief that the eruptions are caused by the actions of human beings, in any way. But if I DID, I think I would be looking to PGV rather than "lava viewing."
Really, people, you have no perspective. You’re comp[aining about overhead choppers. These guys are there keeping an eye on frickin lava flows to keep you safe.
Thailand has a saying that the land of the FREE should also have. The saying is "Up to You" not being controlled by government in what you are allowed to do or go on your own property. People have given there lives protecting our freedom and the last thing we need or want is government protection on our own property.
Seems to me they know something you guys dont. Probably that its just a matter of time before all that land and all those houses for miles around will be gone.
For shame, not handled well by those govt officials this time. It is frustrating for all. Listen...always with an open mind and heart. Always. It will get worse before it gets better.
That guy responding to dude at 15:00 mark, THAT GUY, is dangerous. Is there no Lava emergency broadcast over UHF or VHF? so this HOA guy in charge of telling me to do "this and that" believes Lava is concious. OH MY GOD.
Well, they now own your land, they are "vulcano". At least to their communist belief. Trust me, I got to know this system very well, and it seems it has arrived to US. / You cannot enforce safety upon someone! If so, then safety may be used as an excuse for other purposes. If she or he wishes to take the decision and go to a risky zone, well... sign a document and is free to go. Is this a big formal problem?! This is exactly the difference between freedom of choice and communistic enforcement. BTW u cannot even fly there with a drone there... is this a joke of some seek mind? Vulcano may be damaged? Safety, sounds nice but obviously there may be more on the agenda. There is no a goodwill visible.
This is a horrific state of events. At least let the people/local/home and land owners talk. It's not easy for anyone and as the weeks pass and the risks continue it is beyond frustrating for those effected. This effected should see if anyone has access to a camera and post updates and concerns of their own in TH-cam , FB and Instagram. Be vocal. Be safe and demand your voice. Damage was great early keeping people informed but this side seemed abrupt turn around. I suspect he will be running for Mayor the next election. Just know stand your ground respectfully and too with tolerance as to the realities. This is horrific. Not that it helps but others share your concerns and to it gives us insight to the realities if a disaster and how incredibly long things take and the raw emotions and frustrations in dealing with bureaucracy and you own you home and land. They go home to a fresh shower and clean bed. You should neve be shut down so coldly. You paid damn taxes to the city and state. Please try and join forces. As victims there us more power organized. Get your voices on social media live. FB or Instagram. Loud voices like the squeaky wheel get the oil. Stay Strong.
Contractor with green shirt who did not id himself who spoke about plight of seniors dealing with acid H2O and Jason who has been locked out of his own living area had issues needing immediate action. They were well spoken and gave detailed information. Jason repeatedly stated that many farmers were affected by these concerns. This is first time as mainlander, viewing video of the terrible hardships of people of Hawaii, it seems as if bureaucrats are out of touch with immediate pressing problems resolution. This was a very sad ending to this video - prayers for the people of Hawaii. But what is necessary now besides heartfelt prayers is immediate action to truly help. Problems will only get worse if not promptly resolved. Bureaucracies are being proven to hinder rather than help those in great need.
Carolann6081 Those weren’t the people of Hawaii. Just a bunch of colonist fighting with the crooked government
The gentleman from the Noni farms was clearly cut off..he made perfect sense. Talmage appeared triggered when he brought up the DLNR
My first thought looking at the thumbnail: "Did Jack Dorsey just move to Puna?"
Third speaker is wise beyond his years..as well the fourth...stand together people..the power is truly with the people. What we as a people, a specie, a "civilized" society allow will continue. Much love and respect.
I'm on the side of all the people that are angry. We lost my grandma's 6.5 acre property with a beautiful house that my dad built with his hands and money....and we get nothing
BRS . Well said.
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. Did you not have insurance? Was it near the volcano? We are truly trying to understand the plight of those who choose to live near a volcano and even after erupting, are refusing to move. Maybe if someone could explain w/out anger or hatred what they want it would help.
Darlene OHara the house was being refurbished and no one was living in it. You cannot get insurance on an empty house even though you still own it and it is being worked on and will be used and is still worth money. People have various reasons for wanting to stay. The number one reason is most likely that they do not have the money to move or have nowhere else to go. The other side of the coin is that these people put their entire lives and soul into making their properties beautiful and exactly what they want them to be. Does that sound like something you would want to just walk away from with a smile? And the reason that they all live down there in the danger zone is because most were deceived into believing it was never going to happen by the sellers when buying the properties
BRS: Of course you can get insurance on a house that is under re-construction. The government owes you nothing. You are responsible to insure your own property.
Your family built on a fucking volcano and you expect people to flip the bill for your family's Collective stupidity I don't think so! Why don't you go build a house in the Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans at least you got better odds slightly better odds!
the residents are fuming and I don't blame them. they have been let down evertime this guy is asked questions he always say "you can talk to me aftter" Starting to remind me of P.Rico
I live in California, and I dont even think they should bring bus loads of people to gawk. It's a private residential area. If the residents can't go near it ( their homes) , It just seems sleazy to me... Good luck to you all !!! Sincerely
That was rude! They have no respect for the locals.
2011ACVVV
Its not a lack of respect, its a unhealty shift in the paradigma of being a county service. They lost there way in understanding that they have to serve the locals, not serve there made plans, written rules and whatnot.
And yes👍 im with u. It was rude.
I feel ashamed watching this and be unable to help🙁
It was stupid to live in Lower Puna....
Harry Kuheim
It is stupid to live where wind blows.
Fuck You...Wind doesn't bury your Land, Car, or House in 20 feet of Molten Rock.....
Harry Kuheim
Yeah, i love u to🤣
When ur house and your belongings are gone, it doesnt matter that u left with a property.
Anyway, those people not crybabying that there houses be gone, the where offendet that they where treated like shit, by stupid “law” enforcers. What use got a law that wont let u to ur house still standing and is not endanered in any kind or way? Those people not want exactly help from anyone, they want to proceed there dutys without gettin interupted all the time.
Did u heare there problems? What would u say when a state send fucker came to ur house an forbid u to lock it? What would u say, when ur survailence cam show someone looting ur house and u want let pass because of a fuckin form is not filled correct? And of course the officer cant get those thieve because he feel more duty to check ur form.
Its not ust there, its all over the developed world, that the state lost his sense in serving people but start to drive them like they have somewhat royalty.
Webcams is a good idea don’t know why they haven’t done that yet for safety reasons.
shameful the way the residents voices were silenced so quickly and so disrespectfully.
blackbird garden - yeah I saw that. Shame that the county are a bunch of cowards.
blackbird garden
Can you say "Libtard Democrats"?
That's the leadership in Hawaii.
Just like California....maybe worse.
blackbird garden this happens when agenda 21 has taken over communities all over the US and world... Elect locals
yes local accountability is key.
The ending really hits hard - I feel for them!
them will be us very soon.....
This is what the nanny state looks like when they try to protect you from yourself "for your own safety". The people in this meeting are witnessing what government provided security really looks like. It's nice to see people wanting private property rights, self determination, and freedom again. Maybe all isn't lost after all.
I am 4,000 miles away and I can feel the pain of these local folks...the gov't are just drones, worker bees at least care about the other bees. My heart goes out to the residents of Hawai'i, bless your aching hearts
Well said Jason! Too bad they cut you off. Seems like the authorities just don't care.
Oh they care. They care about being exposed for the assholes that they truly are. Give them hell Jason.
Judithann Barton The state does not care about you or the Hawaiians. The state is gonna take Leilani away from the people. Come on Hawaiian you honestly think the state care about you. The state could give a shit about you. No empathy. State don’t give a fuck about you. That’s not my opinion it’s a fact.
Oh they care... they care if people start standing together and speaking up for what is right...they care..likewise make efforts to silence and stop truth.
I'm glad that the Mainland is still watching Kilauea. My grass roots organization is highly pissed about last night and my attorney is looking at what avenues the people of Puna have open for them to make change during a natural disaster. Puna has not been forgotten. I know many Hawaiian's don't like outsides, I hope we can offer good news. Of course we will go through the Hub and proper channels. This is bullshit.
Exactly! Well said. The people need to rise up and speak as one.
Well when an island is potentially at threat for a major eruption because of the collapses, your personal shit doesn't matter when all of your lives are potentially in danger. They're just not telling you.
The grieving process. DABDA denial, ANGER, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Govt wants acceptance . People are angry.
Those that desire it, should be given the option of having their properties condemned. For a home still standing yet inaccessible, some homeowners insurance won't pay a dime until the condemnation.
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I have been warned by dutchsinse that I would see something incredible concerning the treatment of the people. And yes, I have never seen anything like this. No plans? No explications? Just, oh we have declared an emergency state for your house, so you need to understand that we have to cut your human rights and treat you like kind of underage criminals in prison. With one difference: You're not in, you're out.
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Disregard for Native Hawaiian Philosophy regarding the treatment Of the land and what the local people from Leilani estates that are being put thru because of local politicians is wrong and atrocious.
You Go Jason !!!! Was following you on the Codes channel when the lava started.... Good Luck To You All....😊
ALOHA Everyone,
All dis old Aunty can say is, "wow... so much disrespect shown to these residents!" Whether they were kanaka, haole, or whatevah, NOONE deserved the DISRESPECT they were shown and the Mayor should be ashamed of himself for shutting up every local that was there! Also, shame on EVERYONE who cites locals for walking on a road that takes them to their home WHERE THEY STILL LIVE! SMH! ;-( Hawai'ians know that our land belongs not to us but to the One who created it. For those of us Christians, that is God. But culturally, as Hawai'ians and Hawai'ians -At Heart, we know Aunty Pele gonna make a fuss if she is shown disrespect. So... although that may sound confusing to some, we know that if lava comes to take your home and land away, you have to accept that. We realize that no matter where on the island we live, we live on one volcano no matter how long we live there. God forbid we lose our home, there comes a time we must say, "Aloha 'oe" and be thankful for the time we did enjoy. There is a time and a place for everything under Heaven and God will be there to help us move on... but it's so painful to watch... Again, SHAME on those who think they can disregard the pain and suffering of everyone and shut them up because, what?? The mayor was voted in and if he's not careful, the public who trusted in him will lose their trust. There's a powder keg here that the Mayor and those who make the decisions are causing. If they don't show respect where it's due... I fear the anger could beget violence... and that solves nothing in the end, except injuries or worse. We should be better than this.
Sorry my friends, Aunty wrote a book, eh? My proclivity to talk story. Please pray and send good thoughts to everyone affected in Hawai'i. Other islands are dealing with vog... even across the ocean, they're dealing with it. If you've never been in vog... it's rough on your breathing sometimes if its thick and poor folks who have breathing problems like asthma have a rough time with it. Mahalo nui loa (thank you so much) for all your prayers. Have a wonderful day/evening and don't forget to share your aloha spirit with others.
Wow, this is so sad. Prayers for these homeowners!
They are greedy and selfish.
Somebody needs to start listening to these folks in the areas that have been threatened and devastated by the lava flows. I can't imagine what it must be like to live with the uncertainty and lack of meaningful communication with the very agencies that are supposed to be helping. Add to that the intrusion of the helicopters and disregard for personal property. It's truly heart breaking. Mr Rogers would say, "look for the helpers", in times of hardship and tragedy. Those who are a part of the agencies assigned to this situation, please can't you find it in yourselves to be those helpers? If only just to have a listening heart. That's not hard to do. My thoughts and prayers for the communities there and for those who are the helpers.
Gwynn Farrell ....well said.👍
This disregard, dismissiveness, rudeness, disrespect is NOT the way emergency conditions or the people suffering, are to be handled. There is a long established protocol of how emergency conditions are to be handled, and apparently, that isn't happening here. It is unethical and inappropriate for them to be dismissive to the people. There are real needs, and apparently, the people aren't being heard. Before 1990, when were emergency conditions or the people in an emergency ever treated badly? This is unconscionable, regardless of where it is. There are humane ethics that need to be upheld.
Augusta We all know I wasn't talking about those unconscionable contexts. I was talking about hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, natural disasters, not causes by the evil of Man. Goodhearted Emergency Protocol doesn't follow the evil of Man. The context of this thread and my comment was addressing natural disasters, Yes? Why do people have trouble logically staying within context?
Come on, Talmadge, would it have hurt in an emergency situation to give another 30 minutes for Q&A?
*_Thanks for sharing video !_*
Respect the Natives. They deserve nothing but respect.
DLNR needs to put forth some sort of effort to rescue the green turtles that are stranded.
I've heard many very valid complaints here, to not have someone in Pahoa who can give out the placards, sounds like it would help many people. Talmadge, I get the impression you're trying to do your best - but I don't think you're getting as much backing as you should be receiving from Mayor Kim, the County Council, and even Gov Ige. You're the one who talks with the people, so those I just named should be talking with you. We, as a community should do our utmost to make this whole thing easier for our friends and neighbors. We owe them that much.
Here we go with the Talmadge Magno hero worship again even when he quite clearly just showed he doesn't want to hear your issues and abruptly shut down and dismissed a resident who had legitimate concerns about his safety. When will you people wake up and learn these government officials don't give a shit about you.
I am so impressed with the residents and community members. what needs to be done is a survey of what each resident needs the county supplies it and the commnunity does the work, house by house and all who can help. There is no way an option that all need to help each other. However I do believe the county should be responsible for the water issues and should be delivering water if it is needed. the money is there how much has fema given and how much went to residents I would want the numbers for sure to be public.
They are greedy and selfish.
Mark - Loud & Clear and much respect. Mahalo for helping us many times accessing our property.
Not your land.
I love you Puna! Everybody stay strong. I really hope that people can get real solutions to what's happening.
Unfortunately for the residents of Leilani Estates, Fissure 8 and the river of lava are probably the hottest tourist attraction in the world right now (no pun intended). The State of Hawaii government will be under huge pressure by the tourism industry to allow as many visitors to view Fissure 8 and the lava river as possible - regardless of how local residents fell about it - especially if the eruption lasts months or years as the USGS has predicted. Too much money on the line. Probably the best that local residents can hope for is to receive a fair price from the state for their properties and real help in relocating. If I were in their shoes, I would insist on a provision from the state that - should the eruption end - gives local residents who sell out the option to repurchase their properties at the price of $1.
WW: Property owners have no expectation to sell worthless property to the government. They knew the risks of owning. They were responsible to have insurance.
Their land is now FAR from worthless. Tourists are coming who will need to cross their land in order to see the eruption. And those tourists will bring 10s to 100s of millions of dollars to the state of Hawaii. The land owners should get a slice of that.
Wm Warren But they probably won't (get a slice of that).
What these residents don't seem to understand is that pretty soon their homes will be nothing more than a lava field and when that happens they will be wishing they could access some type of monetary assistance which could be raised through lava viewing. Unfortunately it seems the majority of native Hawaiians are very racist and hold a lot of bitterness and resentment towards Caucasians, which seem to be what that first speaker was alluding to when he was giving a reason behind this eruption being more "angry".
Why not let more people speak before closing ?
Sandy Roo to silence their voices from the rest of the world..folks just got to remember there is strength in numbers. Stand for what's right ..simply look out for one another like it where themselves.
sandy roo. It was absolutely shameful the way they suddenly shut down these people's voices, to obscure the shameful way the govt agency is handling things.
blackbird garden agreed. Very sad indeed. Speaks volumes.
The way they were dismissed was completely inappropriate. That is no way to treat people; it alienates them, shuts down communication, indignifies them, offends and does damage to community relations. Whatever happened to diplomacy, empathy, courtesy, tact, and people-skills? To solving problems? Empathy goes such a long way, but dismissiveness causes reciprocal disrespect, and is extremely divisive. What was shown are NOT management skills, but alienation.
Does anyone know how long agency folks stayed AFTER the meeting to address the issues one-on-one? I have a guess . . . but it is only a guess. It appeared to me that the meeting was ended in order to get down to the nitty gritty of talking to folks directly to address specific issues.
This is an example of why people will not leave their homes in a disaster. Once you leave even if your house is still standing they have ways of keeping you from returning. The guy talking about the water being unsafe needs to have answers today~~unless the acidity of the water is a way to keep people from returning and is part if the plan. The "official" that ended the meeting is/was an employee of PGV.
Thank you Madam Pele for "Taking out the Trash"....Lower Puna needed it...
Oh but I thought Talmadge Magno was the champion of this eruption according to the hero worship I see in the comments all the time, and yet when he has an opportunity to address the concerns of residents he just rudely cuts them off and dismisses them.
You chose to live in a lava zone. Just like someone on the mainland lives on the beach. That's why you have insurance . You must know that sooner or later your choice is going to bite you. Accept it and deal with the issues that come up without whining. Former Makaha resident.
Just answer their questions, please.
_This was a bit disrespectful for those in attendence, I feel their frustration and can only imagine what they are going through._
(Even though they bought or built near a Volcano, its HOME!)
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I too have many of the same concerns and questions that were brought up by the Residents and I'm thousands of miles away in South Central Indiana!
(I felt disrespected too)
Any road, I FEEL your pain people and know it's more than one can imagine.
_Wishing I could help in some way._
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*_Truth, Peace, Freedom & L♥ve2ALL™_*
*James*
7/25/2018
1:18pm
Lava flow anytime stay away! You can get hurt n plus residents who live there don’t need traffic. Watch flow on TV NEWS
I am so sorry that you guys have to deal with the outsiders praying and watching everyday.... So sorry they think and have enough nerve to treat you guys this way and sad to say this is the precursor of things to come they dont even listen to you guys.. I apologize for their disrespect to you all...
Been watching for a while now, the main gov guy. He always has this smurk look, like he wants to burst out laughing, i dont know whats up with him, but i get the vibe, like hes a killer, and the lava is covering up his dead bodys. Or like hes up to something. He rubs me the wrong way, ya know. Anyways, i wonder if there is any dirt on him?
Val Tozer
I know what you're talking about. That smirk kills me. He seems disingenuous. However I totally disagree with the dead bodies hoopla and possible dirt on him lol. He just sucks in front of the camera in my opinion.
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The helicopters have destroyed any semblance of privacy in Leilani and the surrounding subdivisions. The Pahoa area would be off life support with tourist $ if can get tours.
Tours right down Leilani Avenue wouldn’t equal much more than the normal traffic Leilani Av saw on a daily basis, and probably less as the tours could be managed, have days off etc.
Sure Kalapana was different, but so was Mauna Loa... both references are pointless bc the past is over/gone.
If this event continues long time, no can live in Leilani brah, pau. The whole surrounding area will be uninhabitable during Kona winds, no can brah. If stay pumping like dis, in Kona winds brah, Pahoa pau.
FAX
The Hawaiian superstition is hilarious!! Cracks me up!! The Hawaiian dude talking about the flows being worse because of viewing is living in the 15th century. Do you think Pele cares about your association , or the government? Ridiculous!
THANK YOU FOR THINKING FOR YOURSELF
I feel for the residents having to put up with arrogant government employees...those public servants that treat their customers like shit should be fired without unemployment comps...plain and simple. I am not sure if I understand the gentleman representing Leilani Estates H.A...the residents of the association of whom pay the Representative are having problems just exiting and entering...The people of the association should just hold a vote....All in favor....All opposed...they should be Allowed to control their own H.A......TIME to HIRE LAWYER
Saying officials don't care, couldn't be further from the truth. If they didn't care the entire area would be off limits. The would block access to everyone. But they do care. Which is why they are working 24/7 to ensure those who've decided to stay in the evacuation zone remain safe. It would be a lot easier and cheaper to kick everyone out and lock the area down until the eruption ends.
Look what happened last week. A tour boat was allowed to get closer than the 300 meter safety zone and now one woman's life has been changed and other will be scarred for life. Exceptions to the rules can and do spell disaster.
As for the state wanting to take land.... Why? They receive tax revenue for each acre of land privately owned. Even more tax revenue for each acre farmed. It doesn't make sense to take away revenue.
Some of the questions asked can't be answered because this eruption has no end date. Others questions can be addressed privately. Talmadge said he would speak to those waiting to ask a question. What he was trying to avoid is everyone there listening as each person got up to complain rather than ask a relevant question. Systems are in place based on what works for nearly all disaster responses across the country. The issue with not allowing friends to drive into the neighborhood is to deter people from have fifty friends and their vehicles in the area for another lava viewing BBQ. Once you allow one exception, you must allow all others to have the same exception.
The gentleman fixing up a rental. He was having friends visit from another island simply to take them to see the lava. That's not acceptable. Now he has a new tenant? That shouldn't be allowed in an evacuation zone either. Granted the rental is in the voluntary evacuation zone. If remaining residents allow friends to visit freely the streets would be congested. If or when a mandatory evacuation is required, traffic could cause loss of life as people try to flee fast moving lava. Living in an evaluation zone isn't supposed to be easy. If you want easy you're going to need to move. While nobody expected this to happen in their lifetime, the warning was there from the moment you purchased your property. Sad? Absolutely. Surprised? A little. Nobody did or could have expected this volume of lava.
As for contractors.... Residents can drive to the entrance to escort the contractor and their vehicles to their property. As this drags on they'll likely have some sort of computer notification system at the checkpoints so homeowners can remotely notify the checkpoint of an approved contractor. And yes, unfortunately there's going to be situations where someone such as the elderly won't be able to drive to meet a contractor.
As always there is going to be a learning curve for each emergency will be slightly different. Additionally, you can't please everyone. Especially those who feel they're entitled to more than what is necessary.
Imaging doing all you can, within your powers, while going out of your way to satisfy everyone only to be yelled at every day. How much of this will you really take? Especially when most of what's being asked of you, you can't possibly provide.
Lastly, their is no angry God deep in the mountain. It's simply the plates moving. Preaching Pele this and Pele that is BS. Com'mon people. It's the 21st century. Science can now explain why the earth works the way it does. Yes, we still have more to learn. One day we may even have a way to divert flows, stop eruptions, or start eruptions to create new islands to expand the Hawaiian territory. Keep real traditions alive but forget all the fantasy.
On top of the authorized housing in the area you have unpermitted houses. These homes shouldn't be occupied at all. If anything, the state/county should be bulldozing all unpermitted structures being used as housing. If your home is not permitted, don't expect FEMA to pay out.
They didn't yell, UNTIL he dismissively shut down their opportunity to voice their concerns. It communicated that he didn't care, whether he realized it or not. The people were treated dismissively with real rudeness, and there's no excuse for that. Tact and diplomacy weren't used, but alienation and disrespect through dismissiveness was. It sent the message that their concerns weren't shared. People generally won't go speak one on one with those that alienate them. Alienation is not the way to treat people. If they care, it is a simple thing to give a call to the cell-signal provider to bring in a mobile unit. They can give these people answers, but there were none. So many concerns and needs were voiced, and then they were shut down. This is not emergency conditions protocol or solutions; people are not to be treated that way. It was very disrespectful; dismissiveness is alienating. He needs to use tact, empathy, diplomacy, have interest, be solving problems, give answers, be developing plans that address needs, trucking in water or dealing with the issue, and kindly dealing with the people. Alienating them only damages community relations, and causes reciprocal disrespect. No one, but no one, appreciates being treated dismissively. It was very poor judgment. Leadership needs to use people-skills, or they won't follow; they'll be leading no one.
Government officials don't care....the end.
@cameronhollis I agree to disagree. I find myself wondering if you are an “official”? I also wanted to ask if you have any information about the fracking? You seem to know a lot. I say seem because I can not verify much of what you have stated.
Krissy Ross, that's news, but I'm thousands of miles away from Hawai'i, so you'll have to explain. Where is the fracking? It has to be quite some distance away from Kilauea, since that volcano is only a baby; a couple of hundred thousand years old, which will one day become comparable in height and size to its four older sisters. Thanks.
RWBHere Some people argue that it isn't " fracking", that it only provided energy for the region. Just weeks ago, the magma flow entered the property on which the place stands, VERY close. I forgot the name of the place, but look on the map not far from Leilani Estates/lower Puna, or see more videos of this locale, and the volcanic flow in this area > the lava flows right by it. This painted-light-green place (the structures there) are essentially on the " foothills" of the volcano. Many people swear that fracking doesn't trigger seismic/volcanic/geo-active responses, while many say it does. At the moment, all I can recall of the name is something like Puna Geo-thermal/something Venture (?).
Sending all the locals lots of love!
right on mark! 'who is this?? PGV? HAOLE GUY you are a landlord ... and NOT a resident part of the community ... this isn't your home! placards are about keeping the owners access yet the thieves out! #4 guy is good ... we need a system streamline. thanks my friend! #5 guy ... DNLR ... HE GOT SHUT DOWN BY COUNTY GUY ... SHAME! NOT COOL AT ALL!
the guy at 10:00 makes a lot of clear and relevant points. Good job communicating! =)
Wow. I didn't realize there were so many racists in Hawaii. I was going to take a vacation there, now I realize how unwelcome "outsiders" really are.
Weʻre not racist. We love when people want to come and visit our home. Personally, Iʻve entertained hundreds of visitors... from friends and family to new-found-friends... they become friends for life! They ALL have an awesome time. Some even come to move here. But they respect the culture, donʻt try to assimilate people here to their cultural views, mores and norms... and embrace our land and help us take care of it. Eh... Hawaii has a way of making you her own, so to speak. And we welcome that. But for the arrogant, rude, selfish people who want to take, take, take without giving back.... eh, do us a favor and donʻt come. Period.
If anything that is the one message that comes through loud and clear since I started watching the eruption and reading through the comments. Native Hawaiians clearly have a lot of bitterness and resentment towards Caucasians and there is a lot of violence against tourists and Caucasian residents reported in their news. I would spend your tourist dollars elsewhere, it is very clear if you have the wrong color skin your money is welcome there but you are not.
Please take some time to learn the history of Hawaiʻi. I recommend Haoles in Hawaiʻi by Judy Rohrer and Aloha Betrayed by Noenoe Silva. You will find that there is a difference between prejudice and racism and that locals and Hawaiians are not racist, but have legitimate grievances.
@@Thyalwaysseek They have always resented "Howlees"
@ Uluwehi Knecht ...Yes because it's the fault of every white person what happened to the Hawaiians, I bet they believe they would still be living in grass huts if the Europeans didn't colonize them, do they have any clue what would have happened had China claimed Hawaii?
see friends it's not going to get better. THE Word of the Living Creator already wrote the future in a book.
Poor lost souls, bowing down to their false god pele. Homeowner guy needs to meet Ye'Shua
Such a tuff situation for everyone involved,
Stay strong stay united Australia.
lava viewing on a residential area is not a tourist attraction its a disaster
I feel so bad for the people that has to deal with this and their homes...lives..etc. That was very disgraceful...a slap in the face...need to give the people some answers!!
That 1st guy alludes to knowing what and who is causing this. Do not fear these fools who place themselves in charge. If you know something say something and call these people out.
I may not live there now but I was born and raised in Puna. The house I lived in when I was a baby was taken in Kalapana. The house I grew up in on Luana Street is now covered by Fissure 8... Literally under it. My tutus' house on 6.5 acres in Kapoho that I spent about half of my life at is gone. It's all gone.... fucking officials don't give a shit about the pain in our hearts
A situation no one ever expected regardless of Lerz zones. It really seems that Talmadge Magno isn’t the right fit for this job under these conditions. Add Tom Travis to this, who isn’t qualified either but has the job bc of that January 2018 missile alert mess. If the lava doesn’t swallow all of Puna by Thanksgiving, Tal needs to resign & bring in an experienced problem solver, preferably local. imho. Unfortunately Tal’s nervous grin hasn’t bode well for him since the beginning. Truly sad for everyone involved. Wish Pele wld stop but that doesn’t seem likely 😔 Hope. 🍍 Mahalo
i'm glad that i'm not the only one who has noticed talmadge's disconcerting smirk. he seems totally disingenuous.
Talmadge Magno is exactly the kind of person they want for this job, all this hero worship I see in the comments is misplaced, they've just never seen Magno have to do his job, they're about to learn he works for the government not the people.
I heard a lot of concerns and questions but not a single answer. Wtf civil defense!?
It's pathetic that Jason got shut off, but not surprised. I say BULLDSHIT to that. Jason and everyone in the room needs to literally stand together and demand not only answers, but a right to roam freely on their properties and community once proven that they belong there. Don't back down..you own the property not the state.
white people arguing about hawaiian land. now thats funny
Melissa from Midnight Hour Oil sent me. OMG, so incredibly sad for these residents... praying for speedy resolutions :(
Puna is (was) full of Low Life Drifters, Tweakers, Squatters , Stoners, New Age Fools, and Surly Locals....80 % of the Homes Destroyed were Air B&B's and Rentals owned by Rich White Democrats who live in Cali and only come on Vacation.....Now we all are expected to feel sorry for them living in a 10/10 Hazardous Seismic Zone ? Just 2 Months ago the Word from this Area was, " Fuck the Mainland"..."Fuck the Government"..."Leave us alone"..."We want to Secede"..."Fuck the Houle"...and of course Fuck Donald Trump" ....Now it's , "Where is my FEMA Money ?"...Where's my new Free House ?... We are Americans too".....Nope...you rolled the Dice with Madame Pele not us...Mahalo
Wow...they cut him off...speaks volumes...locking folks within their homes...Karma...may she not be met with surprised..
There's is no one higher then the almighty King of kings the Son of man Jesus Christ and his father The Most high period!! You will know the true wrath of the living God. This will not get better its already written. Repent of your sins now there isn't much time left
so sad how they are being treated, praying for you all,
Where is 1/1 and 1/2 episodes
BRS RC from what I've seen on this channel they don't always upload the video parts in order or even at the same time. Sometimes the completed set of videos isn't even uploaded on the same day. It's weird. 😒
Part 2 th-cam.com/video/vfD-ZV_SPHA/w-d-xo.html Part 1 th-cam.com/video/9vQKk-dalQM/w-d-xo.html
Can they not form sort of co-op business for that entire neighborhood and set up some sort of viewing station? Tear down a few houses for parking, build a elevated viewing station, get two busses and start to get part of the $100/head the choppers are getting. When it’s over at least they all would have a nest egg to start over with and Puna could start to get some tourist $$ back.
I too wonder about the water situation in the Kalapana area.... All of us on catchment water are having issues with high acid in our water. I've heard nothing in addressing this issue that effects us and our health. Our government has way to many regulations, people that just don't care about us. Lets have those in charge live out here and deal with the BS we are going through. Maybe then we will get the services we need and less harassment
What was the first man talking about re. who's doing this. He said the locals know why the lava is angry this time? Why?
Mel Mel he’s talking about the gods punishing big island for the government allowing people to look at the volcano. Just a lot of bs
Lava is on meth
The government wants to bus tourists in to look at the lava....
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Talmadge Magno, your attitude doesn't help. Work with the people and not against.
This is gonna be harsh DLANR; I think it is a cop out to not answer these peoples questions and address their concerns. I still want to know why you didn’t have the coast gaurd rescue as many Honu and native fish as posible. You even had a contrator voice concerns; and were presented with options to improve the situation. You should have enough data to give them a time table and beable to answer questions about citations. What would you do if Dimond head decided to erupt?
You have to be very careful, they have no beach to cleanse at, they are doing everything to be reasonable and understanding don’t create a revolt. So a kind reminder set up a better system and answer the damn questions! Make a slide show complete with graphs if you need to.
First guy is unhinged, lol..let's get some horse blinders so we can't see the lava. One thing to be scoping out houses, but he lost me
For all these folks pointing fingers at "he who dares live in a lava zone" - the govt is still happy to rip these folks with taxes. Theyre still therefor within a systematic proclivity to have a say in whatever happens period. This is a frontier state to a degree, but we are still in the grasp of the government, even the .09 sq ft lot in lava zone 1 for $3000 pays taxes.
These are the risks all knew when they built there. This is why it's was so cheap to do so. What will the whole southeastern coast do if and when loihi blows. For those that don't know what loihi, is its the formation or a new island a few miles out. Our island has been active all my life, my fathers life and my grandfathers and his father before him. As Kilauea collapses and widens, do they not understand that Mauna Loas turn is soon. God lives here this is not destruction but creation, more so a cleansing. So much of that coast is full of staphylococcus we know as Mrsa. Many residents and visitors have contracted flesh eating bacteria from the warm ponds. Most homes on the coast in puna have contaminated the water there with residential sewage waste. It is a shame that homes were lost, but did we not tell u over and over, yes we did, did u not laugh as we told you. Some must learn the hard way. Pahoa next.
Talk about govt weasels covering their backsides. Cant make a decision other than "no, we can't help"
So, when are tickets going on sale for these lava bus tours?
Please explain... besides the safety issues and property owners privacy, why is lava viewing problematic?
0:34 "This eruption now, WAS ANGRY!" I can relate bro. That's how my asshole feels everytime I order Mexican food
Lol you faka
Never your property to begin with so all you cry babies should go talk it out with whoever sold stolen property to you. Pele took back what belonged to her
Before you can have lava viewing, you must have lava. By definition. So how then, can you blame the eruption on lava viewing? And how would you know an eruption was "mellow," unless you viewed it? I sympathize with the residents and the hard times that they are going through. But blaming lava viewing seems like little more than a convenient way to channel their anger and frustration onto "outsiders."
I don't share the belief that the eruptions are caused by the actions of human beings, in any way. But if I DID, I think I would be looking to PGV rather than "lava viewing."
Looks as if the residents might want to look into legal representation. Class action.
Really, people, you have no perspective. You’re comp[aining about overhead choppers. These guys are there keeping an eye on frickin lava flows to keep you safe.
I see what they did there with the video title
Thailand has a saying that the land of the FREE should also have. The saying is "Up to You" not being controlled by government in what you are allowed to do or go on your own property. People have given there lives protecting our freedom and the last thing we need or want is government protection on our own property.
Seems to me they know something you guys dont. Probably that its just a matter of time before all that land and all those houses for miles around will be gone.
All due respect. Either don't look or where sunglasses. When you live on a volcano lava happens weather you look or not. Its 2018AD not 2018BC.
If I was there I'd be standing out in the middle of the street shaking my fist at the advancing lava on behalf of the Homeowner's Association!
I'll be surprised if that man is elected again.
White guy in the tank top with the beard,worries about cell service 😂
For shame, not handled well by those govt officials this time. It is frustrating for all. Listen...always with an open mind and heart. Always. It will get worse before it gets better.
It starts from the top. This is life today under Trump.
Roe how rude that they cut Jason off. Extend Q&A time. Oh freaking RUDE!
And the government keeps right on selling vacant lots for thousands of dollars knowing that these areas will be uninhabitable over time. SMH.
That guy responding to dude at 15:00 mark, THAT GUY, is dangerous. Is there no Lava emergency broadcast over UHF or VHF? so this HOA guy in charge of telling me to do "this and that" believes Lava is concious. OH MY GOD.
Well, they now own your land, they are "vulcano". At least to their communist belief. Trust me, I got to know this system very well, and it seems it has arrived to US. / You cannot enforce safety upon someone! If so, then safety may be used as an excuse for other purposes. If she or he wishes to take the decision and go to a risky zone, well... sign a document and is free to go. Is this a big formal problem?! This is exactly the difference between freedom of choice and communistic enforcement. BTW u cannot even fly there with a drone there... is this a joke of some seek mind? Vulcano may be damaged? Safety, sounds nice but obviously there may be more on the agenda. There is no a goodwill visible.
This is a horrific state of events. At least let the people/local/home and land owners talk. It's not easy for anyone and as the weeks pass and the risks continue it is beyond frustrating for those effected.
This effected should see if anyone has access to a camera and post updates and concerns of their own in TH-cam , FB and Instagram. Be vocal. Be safe and demand your voice. Damage was great early keeping people informed but this side seemed abrupt turn around. I suspect he will be running for Mayor the next election. Just know stand your ground respectfully and too with tolerance as to the realities. This is horrific. Not that it helps but others share your concerns and to it gives us insight to the realities if a disaster and how incredibly long things take and the raw emotions and frustrations in dealing with bureaucracy and you own you home and land. They go home to a fresh shower and clean bed. You should neve be shut down so coldly. You paid damn taxes to the city and state. Please try and join forces. As victims there us more power organized. Get your voices on social media live. FB or Instagram. Loud voices like the squeaky wheel get the oil. Stay Strong.
The Heat Is On
I think people have to start digging really deep with this one ..... remember NOTHING is as it seems
What is a "lava viewing"?
That's government for you, not giving shyt for the common people.