Three questions for Dr. John Campbell
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- Responding to comments on my last video, I want to address a few questions to Dr. John Campbell regarding Covid deaths in the UK.
They are pretty simple, and not really clarified by his remarks in his latest video.
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0:00 Introduction
1:34 Question 1: Why does Dr. Campbell say that the 17,371 deaths from Covid in England and Wales before October 1, 2021 are "way lower than anyone thought"? What did he think they were, and why?
3:35 Question 2: Why is that number of deaths a "huge story", a story that Dr. Campbell says the mainstream media is unfathomably not covering?
5:09 Question 3: How did Dr. Campbell learn about the report? By his own admission it wasn't covered in the mainstream media. But it was circulated extensively by anti-mandate, anti-lockdown, and anti-vax activists on social media.
5:52 The curious FOI request.
6:52 A timeline of the ONS report and social media amplification
9:29 How Dr. Campbell skates up to the line but is careful not to cross it
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- John Campbell's "Freedom of Information Revelation" video • Freedom of information...
- Data on UK deaths for download coronavirus.data.gov.uk/detai...
- Data on England/Wales deaths with tabulated pre-existing conditions, as tracked by the ONS of the UK www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...
- Source code and data for analysis in this video github.com/gtuckerkellogg/cam...
- @Back to the Science 's video addressing Dr. Campbell's video • Freedom of (DIS)inform...
- @Debunk the Funk with Dr. Wilson 's video addressing Dr. Campbell • The Problem with Dr. J...
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The imporance of pre-existing conditions has been known since the earliest days of the pademic.
- Here's a Danish study from April 2020 showing lower mortality for those without any co-morbidiities. www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
In Campbell's second video on the same day [*] he gave this important 10-sec synopsis of his 17k-death video:
_"I do hope you got the chance to look at that video which shows that by some calculations we're over-counting deaths by a factor of seven, eight or nine."_
In that statement his mask of innuendo slipped and he explicitly stated what he tried to implicitly insinuate in the video. So it's indisputable that his intent was to make people believe Covid deaths are only a fraction of what they are and the official tally is false. He knows that someone with diabetes who got Covid and died in an ICU within a few weeks is a Covid death, but he literally tried to trick people into thinking they weren't.
This observation was made by *cabiria masina* in a reply to me, who cites @Oliver Magoo for noting it.
[*] Right at the start of Campbell's video: "US hospital patient remain high"
Thanks it was another poster here who made the original observation somewhere in these 680 comments. They had some other astute comments; perhaps they'll speak up.
It was noted by @Oliver Magoo :)
Indeed, his intentions are indisputable in this admission. I now believe his first video was carefully orchestrated so that he could defend it, as if he expected the push-back. He would have been better off saying that he misunderstood the data but he can't do that after his denial video. He comes off as a very authentic and honest person but I was fooled and "it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled" -- Mark Twain.
What an outstanding catch. Amazing work.
@@nospamman4443 Interesting...
Not the only anti-vaxx propaganda bot to insist on referring to Debunk da Funk as 'Afro'...
It takes quite a telltale determined personality to repeatedly insist on using the same terms of derision to describe their targets.
I'm unaware of anyone referring to Nurse Campbell as 'slaphead' or 'The Bald Bullshitter.'
Am I detecting yet another hand with multiple socks?
Actually I thought it was a good number to know. It illustrates how more Comorbidities make us susceptible to disease and death. It makes me want to improve my health right now.
Precisely the point!
Interestingly Dr C had been promoting improving general health, but I don't think he made this point in that video. In Context, it seemed to me that he was trying to highlight the estimate of 50k possible extra cancer deaths due to the COVID crises, the 17k made that number look very significant. That point has not had any publicity on the back of his video as far as I can see.
Everybody knows this .... Especially ppl in health for decades like Dr John..... The information wasn't " profound" or a " huge story"
Healthy ppl live longer isn't new information
Search for “Coronavirus: Nine in 10 dying have existing illness” and see the date of the BBC News Article: 16th April 2020. A better question is how on Earth you don’t already know this?
@@enjek5654 “We” know it, but does everyone else? Don’t forget the government bombarded us with ads claiming “Coronavirus is a national emergency, life threatening for people of any age, health, etc...” to scare people (not me I may add) into staying home. The brainwashing was relentless. I just muted the ads. But you have people sitting at home exposed to a dozen or more ads a day plus ads on social media, etc. versus the odd article reporting the truth.
You're right, it's not a major story. I actually fill out death certificates all the time. People do die with comorbidities all the time and it does NOT negate the cause of death.
You're insane...it's very hard to know what killed them.
Also the average age of death was 83 for COVID in the UK. It is 82 normally.
Yet we were given these tallies of deaths as if it was very young people dying.
Of course sone did, but the lockdowns are still killing people now.
Funny how we don't see a daily count for that huge error in judgement.
The whole thing, whilst dangerous was hyped into smthg it wasn't and has caused lasting damage in so many areas
Another question for John Campbell could be: if someone has COPD and covid and dies they wouldn't appear on this FOI request but if someone did an FOI for deaths solely due to COPD they wouldn't appear on that list either, so what did they die of?!
I'm afraid your question doesn't fly. Doesn't seem like a good question either. The correct answer is obvious: died of COPD in combination with Covid 19. And as far as the Dutch are concerned, if only flying they have my - albeit small - interest.
Why don't you debate him?
what guitars do u have there sir? Oooh - is the one on the left a mandolin? Sorry, off topic, just curious....
Good eye. Right now it's a mandolin on the wall and a square neck resophonic in the stand on the floor. Sometimes I have a regular acoustic guitar where the resophonic is now. It depends of what I've been playing recently.
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg resophonic - would LOVE to see it's body, they're so attractive....thank you for replying. Perhaps u could start your presentations with a "jingle" of sorts (hate that term, but can't find the word I want to use haha). Music - the best medicine in my view 😉
I remember this one at the time [just over a year before this comment] and it was when I was beginning to question Campbell's understanding of statistics and other things. It was bizarre even at the time because this whole 'with *or* of Covid' on death certificates was a big story in the USA as early as mid-2020. The Medcram channel, still I believe a reputable one, covered the topic of how death certs should be completed to debunk the story.
I was enraged enough to write my one and only email to Campbell reminding him of how he did a joint video with Medcram in 2020 and he should take heed of Dr Seheult of Medcram.
As for the FoI requests to the ONS and NHS, I have my suspicion that Campbell has a couple of stringers that submit these requests with specific intent. Of course this is how he would know about them.
Many other comments ask why doesn't Prof. Greg debate with Dr. John, it's clear that he ghosts anyone who is critical and in all his many hundreds of videos he has never been brave enough to face a critic once.
This co-morbidity issue is worth discussing but it is very minor compared to Campbell's recent discussions on excess deaths. Why do you and Prof Greg seem to have no interest?
@@stevem8318 look over there,!!!
He did have a debate with Tim Spector, an epidemiologist, about vitamin D a few years ago. I would like to see him discuss other topics, with those who disagree with him. Nowadays he only ever talks to those who agree. He appears to be in an echo chamber.
Co-morbidities are very common after 40 or 50 in our society. Things like high blood pressure, being overweight or obese, athsma, and hundreds of common chronic ailments abound. Old age is also a big factor. Any health professional should understand that. Even the dogs in the street were aware these people were at far greater risk, and would represent the vast majority of deaths. Period. That's exactly what we see. How can that be a huge surprise Dr Cambell?
Campbell stresses that people with underlying conditions would normally continue living for many years if it wasn't for covid. He discussed the meaning of co-morbidities many times on the channel. The numbers can definitely help us assess who to help protect better! If we see the major co-morbidities we can focus on a certain population at risk and understand that the population with no underlying conditions is at a much much lower risk. Don't see any problem with that. People who use or cherry pick his videos for other purposes are by no means his fault. He always stresses the importance of vaccines so i don't see how any conspiracy theorist can really use his information without seriously ignoring entire parts.
Exactly, and how does locking healthy people with no comorbities at home, locking gyms and firing health workers help ? The increase in alcoholism and depression are clearly linked to government policy.
@@paulmcclements3176 What do we do with people with diabetes? This is the most common co-morbidity yet we don't see diabetics dying all the time. Do we lock them all up?
@@paulmcclements3176 That must depend in your character. I saw it as a chance for freedom to finish those half done projects, regulate my drinking better, lose weight, lift weights, garden, learn some new skills, and try to get some new piano chords learned. Even my relationship improved as we missed each other and communicated more, albeit by phone.
So how come conspiracy theorists are using his videos? You have to remember its not just about presenting facts! It's about how you communicate, frame and understand the data....
@@Cytochrome8 If we follow the official narrative, diabetes or obese should get green-pass to the healthy foods shops and restaurants only. They clog up hospitals the most.
Isn't this info routinely released anyway? It's a nifty trick they have to issue a FOIA request so that it looks like something that was being hidden, even if it wasn't, and totally ordinary numbers look shocking.
Deaths by covid alone with no comorbidities or preexisting conditions would only matter most in a world where everyone was in perfect health. But that is so not the case
2:14 John actually has several videos where he discussed the percentage of deaths without comorbidities; way back in 2020. In one, the figure was under 10%.
He did know better but his intention was to mislead people into believing that we had been over-counting deaths. He actually says it in the very next video he made that same day. Have a look, right at the beginning. th-cam.com/video/ItKsN1y7CTg/w-d-xo.html "I do hope you got the chance to look at that video which shows that by some calculations we are over-counting deaths by a factor of 7, 8 or 9." I was fooled as well. He comes off as very genuine and honest but his dishonesty is undeniable. I'm not sure if you were trying to defend him or just point that out but yeah, he did know better. If he had actually believed that we were over-counting deaths, he should have just admitted it and that he misunderstood the data. But now, whether he misunderstood it or intentionally tried to misinform, his denial video proves him to be purposely deceptive.
@@OliverMagoo data from the ONS can you explain what is misleading please. This proves England and Wales have certainly been over counting deaths.
This publication will be updated quarterly. COVID-19 deaths involving pre-existing conditions is split by broad age groups between 1-64 and 65+.
Please see below for death registrations for 2020 and 2021 that were due to COVID-19 and were recorded without any pre-existing conditions, England and Wales.
2020: 9400 (0-64: 1549 / 65 and over: 7851)
2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)
2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)
2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)
We have not yet finalised analysis for 2021 Q4. This is currently scheduled for release on 23 February 2022.
@@elizabethfox7677 Who’s been over counting deaths? You just shared ONS data for covid deaths without any pre-existing conditions. Have you bothered to go on ONS and look at the data breakdown yourself? Go and look at their tables and see the amount of covid deaths with say, diabetes as a pre-existing condition. Do you understand that those people could still be alive now if they hadn’t got covid?
This is from the ONS..
@@damocarew I requested this information from the ONS.
Someone with cancer may have many years of life perhaps a decade or more , yet cancer is an underlying condition. If one of these are examples and they die from gunfire it’s not the cancer that killed them it’s the bullet.
Covid is the bullet and should be recognised as such in the tally of fatalities.
Let’s say it this way, we’re all born with body armor and helmets and cancer makes your body armor and helmet disappear… NOW, it’s raining bullets and there are companies selling body armor and helmets and Governments Mandating we all go buy this new body armor and helmet… but my Body armor and helmet is working just fine and I’m not putting you at risk by not wearing double
@@phillipyoung3250
But , Phil what you’re missing is that cancer isn’t contagious and we don’t get vaccinated for cancers .
My analogy was in relation to pre existing conditions and the tallying of fatalities.
Yours was nonsense.
@@jakeg3296 I do understand that cancer is not contagious and I also understand we don’t get cancer vaccines. My analogy is not to address how we’re tallying this data, but how we interpret it once it’s tallied…
it’s currently raining bullets Jake and we can’t stop it. People without body armor and helmets are more likely to die… why? BECAUSE they don’t have body armor and helmets. If the only people who are getting hit by bullets are people without body armor and a helmet, sure Jake, that’s they died from a bullet BECAUSE they weren’t wearing body armor or a helmet.
My body shied won’t stop YOU from getting hit and The Vaccine does not stop transmission.
@@phillipyoung3250 Apologies if I misunderstood your analogy .
Just to clarify you’re not doubting the efficacy of vaccines?
@@jakeg3296 the vaccine clearly works well at reducing serious illness, hospitalization and death for those people with a compromised immune systems as shown by the Data that Dr. John Campbell presents.
I'm trying to think of peers I know well enough who have no complicating conditions. My former wife and her current husband have several serious health issues. My 52 year old daughter who is quite fit, like her father, has asthma. My NY buddy Tom also has asthma and is obese. I'm a highly fit 72 year old; I have controlled hypertension. Is showing a low mortality rate of healthy people who died of covid supposed to be comforting?
In a sane world, yes. In Clown World, no. Clown World will wreck the world economy to save one life.
It is for those of us without conditions. We do exist! If everyone you know has health issues, that says a lot about the fact there’s more than just COVID to look at when it comes to public health
It's a transparency and trust issue. They were never clear that all these deaths within 28 days of testing positive for covid weren't in fact due to covid...
There are people who are fit and healthy, but as you have noted the average person, especially in western countries, is not. It's also interesting how people define "fitness". Asthma and hypertension are some serious health conditions. I wouldn't call someone with those conditions fit or healthy.
@@wild_trail_flow I haven’t got them either.
I have watched Dr. Campbell since the begining of the Pandemic and he has shown a distinct change of tone and how he chooses to present information. The information has become slanted...can't put my finger on it. FINALLY SOMEONE IS SPEAKING ABOUT THIS THANK YOU!!!
My friend calls John Campbell a charlatan.. Saying he's misleading people... By calling himself Dr... He's not a medical doctor but an academic 1... YET many people regard his as the doctor dishing out medical advice to them... It's strikes me and my friend as cult following he has. Which is becoming rather freaky the more comments I read from his followers...
I still follow Campbell but I agree something shifted and his followers went through the roof. Reading the comments he gets a lot are anti-vax covid deniers but he stays quite carefully around the middle.
@@lis9762 his sits on the fence, plays both sides and as a result is making a fortune. Personally I think he a sociopath or psychopath, he thinks He is right and knows better than others with more experienced. He's insulting to WHO and people who've died with pre existing conditions or anyone that doesn't suit his narrative. He's dangerous and his advice is killing people. YT should act, but they won't.
@@lis9762 i used to watch him at the beginning of the pandemic but I agree that he has shifted to the realm of misinformation and disinformation. His followers attack any comment that sounds to them like disagreement. He himself is sneaky enough to just skirt the edges of what’s acceptable on TH-cam. He does the wink wink nudge nudge say no more and his legions of followers seem to love it and take it as a sign that he, and by association they themselves, are so much smarter and tuned in than the rest of us mere mortals.
@@dharmacharinipasadanandi7110 he was mentioned negatively on radio 4? Good news, maybe hell stop p, or be stopped, from spreading misinformation. A friend of mine wouldn't get vaccinated bc the nurse wouldn't aspirate, I was horrified as she has Co mobilities, including recovering from cancer. When I asked her why she cited Dr Campbell.
Answering question 1, if I were only listening to the politicians and MSM, I would have been surprised. The CDC is giving a healthy 12 year old whose already survived Delta the same recommendations as an 85 year old with multiple comorbidities, living in a nursing home, whose never been exposed to Covid.
There is not much discussion about comorbidities anymore. We are being told that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, not what it actually is; a pandemic of the old, fat, and unhealthy.
Exactly. And the author of this video, by attacking one of the few people who pointed that out, is doing his part in perpetuating the kind of medical dictatorship that Pfizer and Moderna want: to forcefully sell their vaccines and booster that don't even stop transmission to people who don't need it (children and young adults, as well as those who previously were infected with the disease) and whom the vaccines might actually harm.
"healthy 12 year old whose already survived Delta "
Not healthy, but otherwise realistic in average. If you hare 80 years old, you are expected to live another 8-10 years. Of course, almost no 80 years old are healthy. It is calculated, that in avery 14 years of life has been lost with each covid death in the US.
Because hospitals are killing people.
Well, WDEHEY, let's just hope your self-righteous smugness never gets tested by reality & you get to stay in your pretty little bubble of nonsense. Although unless tragedy strikes, you will get old eventually, & depending on many things you can control & many more you cannot, you may also be fat &/or unhealthy someday too. Personally I believe people who are old &/or fat &/or unhealthy don't deserve unnecessary, pointless, early deaths or suffering. I think those who cannot be vaccinated at the moment for legit medical reasons deserve protection + care...it must be a very lonely experience for them & I wish them safety + wellbeing. People unvaccinated by choice/motivated reasoning deserve to live & be free of longterm illness too, even tho I find their attitudes, excuses, & beliefs appalling + lamentable.
I hope you revisit the ugly assumptions holding up your incorrect beliefs one day by choice, before you're confronted with the consequences of holding them.
Over the holidays recently (11 months after your post) we had a case where a 60 year old mother and her 28 year old daughter - with no obvious comorbidities from her picture at least - died from (most likely Covid) pneumonia. They did have an ambulance on site, but wasn't admitted. Maybe they socially distanced and kept virus free for all this time (like myself, but maybe a bit more lucky), then followed JC's advice and infected themselves with Omicron that was supposedly so mild. Or maybe they were both fully vaccinated and boosted? Who knows? There will always be some fallthrough and sad cases like this.
At one point early into the pandemic when this was still novel, I saw a graph presentation that was arranged a bit special, and it showed *ABOUT* the same *increase* in percent death rate across all age groups. Why do you think we vaccinate infants and kids for influenza? From CDC:
"Doctors recommend that your child get a flu vaccine every year in the fall, starting when he or she is 6 months old. Some children 6 months through 8 years of age may need 2 doses for best protection."
Because they're not born with protection. Similarly, DTaP is a 6 dose vaccine (4 early, 1 late), PCV13 is a 4 dose vaccine, HepB is a 3 dose vaccine, IPV (polio) is a 4 dose vaccine (3 early). Hell, even VAR (chickenpox) is a 2 dose vaccine. So why wouldn't they want to vaccinate a 12 year old for having survived delta? Yeah, I wonder... Jeez.
I got him on the first sentence before Prof Greg. At least Campbell no longer wastes time with his subterfuge. For those who believe Campbell, "subterfuge" means < deceit with intent >
Wow, I just saw this. Is that a reference to the famous Bob Newhart joke about country music I quoted in the chat during today's premiere?
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg It absolutely is.
@@steelcom5976 Outstanding. You are a person of refined taste
Sorry for the off-topic: Professor, could you please make an explanatory video about antibody levels after disease and vaccination? My level three weeks after the Pfizer booster is: ”SARS-COV-2 - anti-spike protein neutralizing antibodies (S) - 47831 U/mL”. Medics only told me it is very high, but would like to know more about it. I had the disease in November 2020, 2 shots in May 2021 and the booster also with Pfizer on the 10th of January. After the booster I had fever and muscle pain for about 24h, then felt exhausted for a few days and also had problems staying asleep (waking up often, abruptly, it was pretty bad). Did not have these problems after the first 2 shots. It is all getting back to normal now, but would like to know more.
Why & how were you getting specific antibodies tested at a time when you were not actually ill? As far as I know that's not in any protocol unless maybe you're in a study ??? in which case "medics" would (or should) not be giving out the raw data-point of your number, much less giving a vague opinion on where that falls on the graph of possible readings, esp without explaining what that means in regards to your health. We are always more than 1 test result, & very often 1 number can't give doctors enough information to make diagnostic or health-advice decisions.
Your use of the term "medics" makes this doubly confusing, bc I don't know if you were actually checked out by medics --- in which case, this is an unusual area of responsibility for them, unless they were operating as triage or support for overwhelmed systems, & all that number being meaningful to a medic should mean is that medic is following that sentence with a referral to appropriate clinicians.
Or perhaps you mean "medics" more colloquially, as shorthand for "various/unknown-role medical personnel"? I'm not criticizing your language use, it's fine to be informal; I'm just having trouble understanding the situation you're describing & could use clarification, please & thanks, if you're reading comments a year later (lol I'm so late to this but still interested!).
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 You can get such a test here in many private clinics. They do not offer any interpretation, only the raw data as in my comment. (At least that was the situation 8 months ago.) I used "medic" instead of "doctor" or "physician" because this is the more scientifically used term in my native language for this profession. The physicians I asked about the result (not specialized in the field) only told me it is quite high in comparison with other results they have seen.
Thanks for following up on these important issues.
I think that it is extremely telling to clarify some of the careless assumptions about this situation
Just because this was framed as a “freedom of information” request DOES NOT imply that the information was unavailable or nefariously concealed
the good Dr. John did not do even the most cursory research or due diligence on this controversy. Much of this information was already in the public domain and available be simple google search. Further, it would have been a trivial exercise to talk to experts who compile this information in order to understand why they make the choices that they do.
Instead of doing any research, Dr John just credulously regurgitated information that was fed to him by people with a clear agenda. And, in the end, we are left to wonder if he is a gullible shill, or perhaps negligently careless, or or a man who has fallen in love with his sudden prominence
I suggest it's the latter, he's fallen in love with his sudden prominence. His ego is monumental!
"John did not do even the most cursory research or due diligence on this controversy."
But hat would have taken more than half an hour.
When you're churning out videos at the rate of one a day you cannot afford the time to be accurate.
And when your base purpose is personal wealth creation you cannot afford not to be as controversial as possible.
I am so disappointed in John Campbell's gradual evolution into a pseudo conspiracy theorist who advocates things like ivermectin and not getting vaccinated against covid. Such a shame as he seemed like a knowledgeable stand up person. I do not trust his channel any longer. I unsubscribed and won't waste any more time on that god forsaken wasteland of a channel.
I think with a lot of these mis/dis-info types, we're dealing with a pie graph with the question as: "What % of each motivation factor animates the channel/content/creator(s)?" vs a "Which motivating factor is the culprit?" kind of situation.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
So true that is hard to be sure the motivation
Dr Campbell seems so straightforward
But as an example … he recently did a video on results of ivermectin in the principal trial… saying there were no results based on a graphic
Yet These results were published in JAMA 6 months ago…. It is hard to avoid the conclusion of intention misrepresentation
Which is so sad for him…. Zero remaining integrity… and for what? Is it the money, the attention and fame?
Because previously, there was no death number released that was solely attributed to Covid. All death numbers were always attributed to comorbidities, which was the definition. Now the attribution has been revealed, it is lower than anyone expected. I hope you understand what attribution is. By the way, if you are an analyst, you track basic websites and basic journals. If someone picks up the same information and use in any other context, how is it John's fault? It's public data.
This isn’t true. It hasn’t been revealed. It’s been widely known, published and covered in the media that most covid deaths also have one or more other contributing causes. Search “Coronavirus: Nine in 10 dying have existing illness” The article is from April 16th 2020.
“All death numbers were always attributed to comorbidities” is an incomprehensible sentence.
@@enjek5654 This is not what I am saying. There were no data previously released where death was contributed to nothing (I mean to healthy person) There were mentioned in media but not publicly released. All Covid death were always attributed to cormobility, hence high level of death. At least this is what I have seen.
@@jacobs8102 This is not true. The ONS and many other organisations have published data to the same effect since right at the beginning of the pandemic.
This is how misinformation starts; this is not what John Campbell or this responder are saying. To clear up the ambiguity, please provide the reference where you have read somthing similar to: of the order of 17k people have died during the period in question in the UK from covid alone, where no other pre-existing health conditions were recorded on the death certificates as contributing factors. Not that "most have died with comorbidities"; not that "9 out of 10 have died with comorbidities", but clearly that of the order of 17k have died with covid alone as the single cause of death recorded on the death certificate.
@@laurencehogg6010 It’s the same thing. If 90% of covid deaths have been from covid plus one or more comorbidities, than that’s exactly the same as saying that 10% of covid deaths have been without one or more contributing comorbidities.
Also, it’s in the ONS publications that they’ve published throughout starting early April 2020.
John has changed since he saw the pandemic coming down along with his views!!!
This is the kind of clear scientific debunk I'm constantly searching for......thank you!
I've followed Dr Campbell for a couple years now, and I keep wanting to believe he's arguing in good faith and without bias........but as more time goes by it's clear this is not the case. He is a very well spoken and knowledgeable in his field, and always "sounds" like he knows what he's talking about, someone you can trust, presenting things in a very thorough analytical way, always citing studies and data.......but as you say, he's very careful with how he words things.....what I would call, a very slick way of speaking where you have to pay attention and listen between the lines. He definitely interprets things in a certain way, and the issue you bring into question here is a perfect example. His big proclamation of a "HUGE story", is something I would file under, manufactured outrage.....you get the feeling he's saying, "why is the (truth) being (hidden) from us". This is classic conspiracy stuff. I believe you've called it out here very well.
"Skates up to the line but is careful not to cross it" is a perfect description of how he shapes his narrative. He has made numerous videos that constantly speak about the RISKS of vaccines, and how the "facts" are somehow being kept from us.....BUT....... he has never said not to take them, just the opposite in fact......very safe. With all his videos on IVM, he constantly shows "data" to support it's use and effectiveness, BUT, he never says to take it out right. He's not stupid, and understands how youtube works.
There's a clear reason why he is regularly cited by vaccine sceptic/antivaxx people. For all the good legitimate information he shares, there's at least an equal amount that is misleading and flat out wrong!.
When it comes to medical facts and public health, you just can't be kind of right, and spread it to millions of people.
Have a look at the video with the Indian physician (th-cam.com/video/JU2CFrUt8vA/w-d-xo.html). The person he is interviewing indicates that they tried Ivermectin (because it appeared harmless), but stopped doing so because it did not seem to work. John seems to quickly skip this, because it does not seem to be the answer he is looking for. More and more his videos are against vaccination (people who had the rare but serious side effect) and in favor of natural infection. I don't know what is going on, because in the beginning he was making lots of sense. I'm not sure whether changing the poster ("we are all going to get it") was a signal of this change.
@@froukehermens5908 well the situation changed. Natural infection is maybe less risky than taking the vaccine for people that are very very young. It's a different story for older people and people with comorbidities, but you have to admit that it's quite logical at this point to question the vaccine as the only option in a time where the virus became pretty mild.
"With all his videos on IVM, he constantly"
Actually, at least for a good while, he went back and forth as the (mostly bad) studies came in. That gave him credibility compared to "thou shall not talk about IVM". Similarly, I followed him from the beginning, but I signed out a while back. And I didn't need any "debunk videos" to do it either 🙂Despite hearing about them, I never checked them out until recently.
Greg, thank you, and please keep asking the questions!
Funny. Because of this video I went and watched John Campbells video.
Glad I subscribed - good points well made.
I think it's an important number to know. It helped illustrate how lethal, or not, the virus is to otherwise healthy people. What's the issue?
That number being low should be expected by anyone with a health background, let alone someone like Dr Campbell who has decades of health experience.
OF COURSE people who are otherwise healthy will die at lesser rates than people who have pre existing conditions.
That info is not a "profound" as Dr Campbell described it as.
He was dog whistling to the"Covid aint that bad" crowd
@@stevenp2309 it certainly is profound to the general public. To say otherwise is disingenuous
@@runzareviews4188 it's really not.... The idea that if your healthy Ur less likely to die from Covid is not "profound" information.
Do U think people with no pre existing conditions are less likely to die from the flu than those that have some pre existing conditions?
Of course not.
@@stevenp2309 the idea that if you’re unhealthy you are more “likely” to die for covid is not profound. The idea that the chances of you dying if you are healthy is incredibly low is IS profound.
@@runzareviews4188 It has been well known that the chances of ppl dying with no pre existing conditions is low.
U might have thought it "profound" but someone who has spent the whole life in healthcare shouldn't have seen that obvious information as " profound"
Indeed over the last 2 years Dr Campbell has made the point regularly that people with pre-existing conditions are more likely to get sick and Die from Covid ...it's not Rocket Surgery.
The issue has always been that there is a near majority of the adult population that do have at least one clinical pre existing condition.
Dear Prof Greg, interesting video the UK ONS regarding the 17,000+ who died from Covid-19 was a question many people asked for Covid affected each group with comorbilities or non comorbilities to analyse how this body affected the Human Body. The ONS was also asked including many UK Hospitals on what percentage of people with low levels of Vitamin D died from Covid compared with patients that have high levels of Vitamin D.
Both David Davis mentioned the Vitamin D connection in Parliament but the government did not take up the connection. Dr John Campbell did a number of videos on Vitamin D and the link between low levels of vitamin D and the high number of deaths.
The Ant vaccine groups researched this evidence before Dr John mentioned in his video because the UK health minister and an A/E consultant who told the minister he refused the vaccine on top of 100,000 NHS and care workers.
The Doctor is taking the Government to court regarding the vaccine stating the Covid vaccine does not stop the spread between other patients and staff and deaths from patients with comorbilities was low this was on GB News.
Every death from Covid is sad even people with comorbilities or have no comorbilities the UK government could have prevented with better support for patients with comorbilities to control their conditions including being more honest regarding covid-19 virus.
This is quite a Gish Gallop. Do you think you got anything wrong?
I earned an Associate of Science in Biotechnology in 2009, at a community college, after I earned my Math PhD (2000) and Math Masters (1991) in differential algebra, and BChE in chemical engineering (1986) with a Minor in Russian, because it would be my one last chance in life to get back into a physical chemical/biological laboratory.
I watch John's videos regularly. I am intrigued to hear the other side of argument. Do you have any others on him?
This is really useful to have a sense check available, thank you. Finding the facts in this day and age is difficult due to individual and or corporate agendas. I try very hard not to disappear down TH-cam rabbit holes and get a broad cross section of views before deciding where I sit, which varies as I learn new information.
just curious as it’s some time later from when you posted this, but where do you stand on it now?
@@kalan_d8126 hey there. I can't say my opinion has changed here. I'm comfortable with the science that's being presented.
This was fun. Could you do one on mask randomized study that just came out. Can't wait
I have found studies that nicotine and Covid19 does not get along. When I have read this I immediately restart smoking ten cigarettes a day. What do you think of this studies? The statistics are saying that are dying much more non smokers than smokers
I only have an anecdotal example: the only person in my family that didn't get COVID is an avid smoker. He is vaccinated and boosted, though - but so were some of the others that caught it. Make of that what you will.
@wyqtor I have a lot of studies that are proving your point. No one will write this, neither admitting it television,because chainsmokers do get cancer more often than a non smoker.After you're trying to abolish smoking 🚬 a public announcement like start smoking today , quit after COVID-19 ends sounds more like mockery.
I noticed that ever since the roll- out...and young people in the UK started to die in high numbers...Dr Campbell started to change his views.
@@Campbell_teaching what is quite telling about this phsy-op called TH-cam...a comment like this may not be seen. It will be hidden. Likes are likewise removed. My comments can get a multitude of likes...and they will never be seen in the public tallychart.
This app is a mouthpiece for THEIR propaganda.
So I suppose it is not ok for the perfectly healthy people to BE PERFECTLY AWARE of what are the odds that they’ll die of COVID??? So that they can make an informed decision regarding the steps they will take as a response to it???
Is it what you’re saying?
Nope, but nobody has been hiding any of that. None of it is a suprise, and none of it is "way lower than anyone had thought", as Campbell insists. The media isn't avoiding the story, because it's not a story. And literally no other cause of death is reported in that manner. None.
Do you think Covid deaths should be reported in a fundamentally different manner than other deaths?
Yes. I do think. As it changes quite a bit the feeling and decision-making process of the healthy (especially young) people… especially after two long years of constant fear mongering. (Under the assumption that we are watching the same movies aka mainstream media)
There is fundamentally great differences between saying “people with co-morbidities die more” and “healthy people are at near to zero risk”, don’t you think?? First does NOT imply second.
Agree. I am a big admirer of Dr Campbell about 90% of the time. I was never as strong in mathematics as many practitioners of your profession, but from my work years back in the actuarial business, I learned that many results in probability, demography, etc, can confuse those who are not familiar with all the paradoxes that probability engenders. I infer from watching many of Dr. Campbell's videos that math was not one of his best subjects, and my impression has generally been that he does not claim it to be his long suit, and that his presentations of things that are a little complicated mathematically are often somewhat less than pellucid. Another thing that I learned from actuarial work is that cause of death on a death certificate is sufficiently unreliable that conclusions based on same are often not to be trusted. So the study based on death certificates is inherently suspect, and Dr Campbell's conclusion would be the same even if the data actually supported his conclusion, which I could not tell from the set of numbers he presented. (And what was that about average age at death of COVID-19 fatalities being 81? Isn't 81 closer to the median, with the average about 10 years less?) I can hope that most of Dr Campbell's viewers are able to filter his content in their own minds, spot weak presentations like the one you criticize here, and get more value from it than those who watch uncritically and emotionally.
But what do you think of today's video from Dr Campbell criticizing the dearth of data sharing from clinical trials of COVID-19 treatments and vaccines?
not only that, he will offer up analysis and even qualify that he has no idea how true it is!
It's actually worse. he actually claims to be knowledgeable about clinical trial assessment and meta-anaylsis of clinical trials. In fact, he based his promotion of ivermectin on his proclaimed expertise. In fact he does not even understand the basics.
@@williamverhoef4349 Yep. In the infamous 'BBC debunks ivermectin' one, that really turned me off him, he said 'in the 30 years I've been looking at meta analyses...' - evaluations which would be, at the very least, an unusual specialism for a nurse. He then shoots his credibility on the subject by endorsing ivmmeta...
@@allangmiller "in the 30 years I've been looking at meta analyses..."
I remember him saying that and I remember thinking "you should have done more than just LOOKED at them". What is absolutely clear is that he has no idea how to analyse a clinical trial or meta-analysis. And that is the basis of his promotion of ivermectin which he based on his amateurish LOOK at a fatally flawed trial which was eventually found to be fraudulent as well.
The thing is that he does know now how amateurish his assessments have been, because he has had feedback from several experts who have emailed him and sent him links to their videos detailing his errors and misunderstandings. So now he is just grifting and fudging his way through. I see it as the tragic fall from grace of someone who could well have been an asset during the deadly pandemic but, instead, turned out to be a public health hazard.
@@williamverhoef4349 not based on his expertise (whatever that means), but his experience. What needs to be verified is how long Ivermectin has been in use in humans, and how many doses, and reports of adverse events. I would seriously doubt whether he would make factually incorrect statements on that matter. In contrast to the statement from the world health organisation saying humans should not take horse medicine. THAT statement has misinformation written all over it.
It would be good to see you discuss this with John Campbell on his podcast.... fair decision
My disgust of John Campbell is now complete.
!2 months ago you would have said: "John Campbell is an asset to public health education".
8 months ago when he started talking about clinical trials, meta-analyses, and ivermection you could have said: "John Campbell is just out of his depth".
1 month ago when he ignored the push back about his numerous errors you would have to conclude: "John Campbell is just another in a long line of grifters".
Today the only possible conclusion is: "John Campbell is a menace to public health and an absolute disgrace to his profession of nursing and nursing education".
No, you are a disgrace by pushing the Big Pharma - Big Government narrative. But people are waking up, we have advanced countries like Denmark, Sweden, and Norway not going along any further with your BS.
"you are a disgrace by pushing the Big Pharma ... narrative"
I never did. Quote me. In the trade we call this the "Pharma Shill Gambit". It's as dishonest a tactic as John Campbell himself.
'you are a disgrace by pushing the ... Big Government narrative.'
Ditto. Quote me, or you will be forever known as a dishonest commenter implying something nefarious about someone with whom you disagree in order to avoid having to make an actual defense against his arguments.
"But people are waking up,"
I hope so. The grifting by people like John Campbell and his interviewees, Pierre Kory (of F.L.C.C.C. infamy) and Tess Lawrie (of the B.I.R.D infamy), and many others, including the notorious Robert Malone, has gone on long enough. It'a about time people woke up to the fact they are being fooled by these egregious individuals enriching themselves at the expense of the people they've duped.
"we have advanced countries like Denmark ... and Norway not going along any further with your BS".
Please do not malign these two countries. They have, by and large, followed the medical and epidemiological advice during the entire pandemic. As a result they have been successful at keeping their mortality rates low compared with countries that have not done so. Deaths per million for:
- Norway: 276
- Denmark: 698
Much better than Sweden which didn't do so to the extent of the other Scandanavian countries
- Sweden: 1,614
And very much better than the countries who did not followed the medical and epidemiological advice:
- USA: 2,823
- UK: 2,331
- Brazil: 2,969
Of course, now with vaccinations at about 75-80% of the population in the successful countries, they are easing restrictions which is fully in line with that medical and epidemiological advice.
I did not think Dr. Campbell was minimizing the seriousness of COVID invections. Indeed the opposite. Depending on the co-morbidity or co-morbidities that one might have, the data seem to support that one should be extremely careful and take preventive steps . . .vaccinate and shield oneself to minimize exposure. Why do you want to make presenting that data to support this sound so dastardly? The mainstream media is lacking data such as this. Why so?
Greg, why did you feel the need to create another video on this subject?
This feels like you're just trying to get Campbell to respond to you with his own video, why isn't this matter done in private instead between the two of you like adults. I just don't see why this had to be done via a public video discrediting his research/findings.
I've been following Campbell from the start of the pandemic, he's the one source I've been able to trust for the past 2 years. I find this very childish to not just email him and discuss the topic, compare notes and so forth.
Prof Greg might think about addressing the shocking level of Type 2 diabetes, Obesity and other chronic illnesses in the US of A. His expertise could be useful in that area. Dr John Campbell is a teacher and not an "influencer". Lay people are entitled to know the truth
I thought I explained why in the beginning of the video itself. Comments on my previous video suggested I had not been clear (the video was also too long). So I wanted to be more clear, and more brief. I thought the "three questions" format would be both.
As for why it's not done in private, I have two reasons. One is that I've reached out to him privately, and never received a reply. I expect he gets a lot of email, so I don't blame him for that. The second is that he's a public figure with millions of followers. He makes some very good and useful videos, which is why I started following him. More recently, he's made some highly (and in my view, dangerously) misinformative videos. He shares those videos with his millions of followers, and those followers deserve to have more accurate information than he's providing them. So the response has to be done publicly.
@@ProfGregTuckerKelloggWell then “go public”......let’s see how you do it!
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg So you thought maybe you could get a slice of the pie for yourself?
@@garymelnyk7910 stupid straw-man comment.
Hello Prof Greg.
Maybe I can help a little.
Q1. A revelation - ! A previously unknown fact that has been disclosed to others"
The ONS data had not been revealed in the detail in the report. Perhaps in the USA or as a professional accademic / medic you were party to the breakdown, but the man in the street was not privy to the information. All we tended to get was the daily BBC report of number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test.
If I may repectfully correct a statement you made (1:20), but Dr Campbell didn't really focus on a particular subset, he discussed the varios co-morbidities associated with covid deaths too, as well as excess deaths due to cancer, for example. Your questioning about "what number did you think it was" has a simple answer - not known but if estimating, would be higher than 17.000. I think that is clear from Dr Campbell's phrasing and from the biased reporting of the media. Q2. "Huge story" - I understood Dr Campbell differently to you. I took his huge story to relate to the breakdown of covid deaths by co-morbidities as well as no underlying symptoms. It seems to have taken the work out of any data analysis that reporters would have to do to make a story. It is a ready made for reporting article. Again, maybe it is me, a simple member of the public being kept in the dark that interprets it this way. The ONS have pointed out that people are misrepresenting the figure because people are taking the figure on its own, out of context. If the media had properly reported it, the ONS wouldn't have had to practically disoen its own data. That isn't Dr Campbells fault.
Q3. How did you find out about the FOI request?
It is UK law that FOI requests to official bodies are published, This particular one is readily visible of the ONS website.
As an aside, you consider the requested question made to be an odd one. If you look at the website, you might change yor mind on that. Others include ...
"Impact the Omicron COVID-19 variant will have on prices!
"Deaths registered as COVID-19 that were not caused by COVID-19"
"COVID-19 related deaths for people over 80 years with underlying health conditions" (any different in oddness?)
"Child deaths and hospitalisations involving COVID-19 and Chickenpox"
If we extend the requests beyond Covid, things can get even odder.
Overall, I think I agree with those who commented on your pevious video that you made an odd choice to criticise.
Thank you!!
I think you’re doing important work. You are helping us to get a fuller sense of the danger of influencers like John Campbell. While his most loyal followers would not be open to your insights, we are learning to tease out his subtle use of disinformation tactics. Because he projects a calm, mature and humble leader, he has a cult like following and he is believed over world respected scientists and medical journals. Your use of the term amplification was bang on.
Danger? Of what? Not being afraid of COVID? We’ve had enough of that nonsense! The idea of getting vaccinated to continue to be afraid is absurd. Yes I’m vaccinated but never been afraid!
@@ukcenadmin7362 danger of truth distortions, confabulations and lies. Prof Greg gives a perfect example of the amplification process of misinformation when influencers start building on each others’ videos. They cast aspersions on mainstream science, mainstream medicine and mainstream media. They plant a seed of doubt around sound scientific guidance which, due to the nature of a brand new virus to which no primate had any natural immunity, has had to change and evolve with this pandemic. They take a tiny nugget of truth and wrap it in doubt, confusion and lies and swan in and offer themselves up as the only reliable source of truth. Sounds rather cult-like to me. By the way, you don’t know me therefore have no idea what I’m afraid of. Please don’t presume to tell me anything about who I am.
@@clairelariviere3122 JC certainly puts himself forward as the ONLY true source of information. He's taken to putting down WHO and "mainstream media", he never used to use terms like that and was respectful.. All that's gone. I find him rude and condescending. I can't bare to watch him anymore and will report when he's spouting some nonsense like ivermectin effectiveness. I wish YT would act.
@@fransimms3803 same!
@@clairelariviere3122 Scientific guidance? The video simply interpreted data from the PAST. The present and future are very different since we have jabs, treatments and a very different variant. These days, over 95% of people have antibodies from either vaccination or infection so it’s a very different picture from the old days most of that data refers to. The one thing to take away from it is that there’s an awful lot of people with health conditions and that’s something the scientists should look into for the future.
Why don't you speak to John and do a podcast with him 🤔 to discuss your 3 questions
I'd love to. He'd need to answer my email
Hi Greg, am I missing your videos or do you not make any at present?
I'd love to hear something from you especially on this topic.
I'm sure others would be interested too.
Happy 2023🍾🥂
Because now he realises Dr John Campbell was right!
@Clayton Inman , well, come out and say it. There is no moving on without discourse. Why can't Greg and John Campbell be the start. Talk to each other, argue with each other, check things out together. This is humanity's way forward.
@@angelinebriscoe-sperling8177 I am whole-heartedly in favor of Prof Greg and Dr John Campbell checking things out together in videos! I believe both men are sincerely in search of the facts as are we who watch the videos!
@@GeorgeBattelle I do hope so. I just hoped for more videos on all the development in the past months as Greg seemed to me to be someone who wants to clarify things.
@@GeorgeBattelle John Campbell is more interested in hooking in the gullible and scientifically lame to boost his numbers. He might have been about truth at one point, but not any longer.
its an important number. as is every little scrap of information is about covid. everything is new. so any and all info is MASSIVELY important. theres nothing wrong with wanting to know more in order to make better decisions.
Campbell's last few videos, one posted per day over the past week, have been getting progressively more loony.
I am 79-years old and have had 4 immunizations and am wondering whether or not to get the “bi-valent” shot. I have a few friends who are “anti-vaxxers” and used to think of them as kooks. But now, I am not so sure. When I was a young man, during the Vietnam war, I came to the conclusion that if you wanted to know what the truth was, find out what the government position was and conclude it must be the exact opposite. Our current politicians have become the courtesans of the corporations that give them money, so I am one of a growing number of Americans who are suspicious of any official proclamations. I welcome debate and let the person who wants to know the truth study the various positions and decide. A recent California “Anti-disinformation” law really troubles me. Who decides what is "disinformation"? Who will fact check the fact-checkers? If I were one of those young men who suffer heart problems now because they were bullied into getting vaccinated, I’d really be very resentful!
the government tells you to not wear seatbelts.
Just clarifying- if someone had hypertension and died of COVID, they would not make it onto the freedom of information count?
I don't believe so, no. "Sole cause" is exactly that. Ironically, 17000 is likely a very HIGH figure for "sole cause" deaths compared to other diseases, but unless we start putting in our own FOIs, we can't easily compare.
If hypertension were recorded on their death certificate, it would not be in the freedom of information count.
But not every preexisting condition is recorded. 30% of Britons are obese, but a much smaller figure have obesity mentioned on their death certificate. The whole point of the ONS tracking this data is to track comorbitities by comparison ratios to previous years. So the FOI question is, I think, a way to game the statistic for an inappropriate purpose.
I hope he sees this.
Thank you - this is only the 2nd time I've commented on a video - the first being the FOI. I came across your video after John Campbell (yesterday) said that there were people debunking his videos. I've been watching Campbell on and off since the beginning of the pandemic as he seemed to be a reliable source of information. However, over the past few months alarm bells were ringing - but who am I to challenge - I don't have a medical or scientific background although I do have a keen interests especially re Covid 19.
Then came the FOI video. I've argued with Covid deniers from the start about the issue of deaths from / with c19 as I am someone with a preexisting condition which, if I look after myself, expect to have a near normal life expectancy. I found Campbell's video dangerous and, although he gave a little space to alternative interpretations at the end, he just fed into the conspiracy / misinformation brigade.
I appreciate that science can be messy - there are different views and perspectives but what I find disturbing with Campbell is his dismissal of criticism, doubling down on his claims and dismissal of those with greater knowledge like yourself. His video last night (BMJ gets fact checked) made a side swipe at his detractors - quite possibly including you. There has never before been as strong a need to have reliable information - Campbell has the platform and, it feels, he is starting to use it for something different to what he started with. I don't know what his motivations are but I know it's no longer purely about explaining science.
Once again thank you and you get a subscription!
Thanks for your detailed comment. Do you recall in which video JC said there were people debunking his videos? I'm aware of his video about the BMJ, but I haven't seen him acknowledge debunkers. I'd be grateful if you recall.
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg Hi - it was in the 'BMJ gets fact checked' video. It's only a short section that starts at 21:00 where Dr Campbell talks generally about people trying to debunk his channel. At 21:30 he states "I don't enter into debate with those people because what they normally are is relatively small TH-cam channels who are trying to get lots of views by using my name". He goes on to talk about how developing a channel like his requires hard work and facts etc, etc. Given your attempts to reach out to Dr Campbell, with no response, I felt this may have been a passing reference to your efforts to have a dialogue.
I do recall in recent videos, Dr Campbell responding to attempts to fact check him with one specific example being the BBC. Clearly he takes exception to challenge as he dismissed those attempts, in part, to the fact that the articles were written by journalists and therefore not qualified. I find this dismall to be particularly ironic in your case given your background, experience and expertise.
Whilst there is a great deal to be critical about in the MSM, you are generally aware of their editorial line and can therefore take this into account. Additionally, in the UK broadcast media is regulated and is required to have editorial balance. The problem with TH-cam is that there is no such requirement. As a result, especially in times when there is a need for authoritative sources of information like now, those like Dr Campbell who clearly have some expertise, become very influential. As you acknowledge, he is an excellent communicator and has provided informed, overview of complex, emerging science during the pandemic and for this he can be commended. Unfortunately, with influence comes responsibility and in the case of TH-cam, this is left almost entirely to the content creator. Sadly, I feel Dr Campbell has become blinded and made arrogant by his own success and is going against the fundamentals of science - the need to be open to review, scrutiny and debate.
So, please keep up your excellent work!
@@MrJOHNCOCKER Thanks so much. I'll go check that out!
I left him a comment and sent an email. Thanks again
@@MrJOHNCOCKER Your link doesn't work. Quite happy about that 🤣
@@gottagowork I think it maybe this one th-cam.com/video/lMf-Zq7xJcY/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Prof Greg. for subtly explaining the stats that JC has been highlighting. JC is very careful that is absolutely correct in providing information that would sound authentic to most. It takes people like you and Susan to tease out facts and highlight them. By repeatedly providing daily information JC ensures that his audience gets their daily dose. It takes a while before you or Susan to clarify to those who are interested. By then JC has moved on to other "hot topics". However, I am grateful that despite the lag time you will call out the truth. Please continue to do so.
That's the difference between "churning out video at the rate of one or two a day" and "taking time to do things properly". The world today rewards the former.
Stop calling internet trolls "influencers". I NEVER do. I REFUSE to use that term.
People only die from their preexisting conditions and help from the local hospitals.
Whether John Campbell knows his subject or not is debatable, but it's beyond question that he knows his audience and knows how to dance around plausible deniability in much the same way as Russell Brand so as to not get his videos taken down
how about you keep crying and licking the boots of big pharma
Sadly I don't think JC watches any critiques of his videos. If he did, he wouldn't continue to make such glaring mistakes in his videos. Or, if im being cynical he does watch them but just doesn't care because he's cashing in.
We all make mistakes, right? Do you watch his videos? He addresses his mistakes.
If he did watch the critiques he wouldn't still be advocating aspiration and ivermectin
@@phillipyoung3250 no he doesn't , what about implying ivermectin was the miracle cure in Japan ..... all he did there was take the word miracle out of the thumbnail, by then his clan were already hooked !
@@templarroystonofvasey well indeed it is safe and effective. Ifyou’re unvaccinated, COVID will find you and, if you’re very lucky, you won’t end up stealing ICU space from someone else.
and without fail. JC has addressed this very issue. Go watch his latest video
Commodities make make a huge difference. That's why very few healthy young people are not dying from covit
I agree with what you are saying but I don’t think JC had bad intentions.
The only parts of his videos where I’ve had strong objections have been those concerning Japan where he has spread misinformation, and in addition, his tendency, fortunately not recently, to make snarky remarks about Japan when he obviously knows nothing about it and hasn’t looked for information which is easily available in English on the Internet.
Trew dat i think many .. cambell watchers that got the latest data .. culd av screamed at john . As his info was upside down in stats as the day before there was a global medical story on all outcomes and ststs for japan as they are out of lok down pretty much .. but MSM .. wont tell you or cover it ..
Has he ever replied? Lol!
I noticed he kinda in a tiny way back peddled a tiny bit on his last video but I don’t think he is capable of retracting things to be honest! Did you see the video I am referring to?
Yes, and it's a noticeable change from when he used to admit his errors on occasion.
I always thought John Campbells's stuff was good when he was talking about the topic of his PhD which he clearly researched thoroughly. I was taken aback the day he got a basic bit of statistics the wrong way round (talking about an ivermectin study) and never corrected it. I then noticed that anti-vaxxers had started to quote his videos and hoped that he might see this - be as horrified by it as a conscientious medic should be - and push back against it, but no.
Nowadays, far from getting help with things he doesn't understand or even admitting to a lack of understanding, he carries on regardless. I would no longer trust his pronouncements even on vitamin D unless it was based on research he had done before he started chasing TH-cam dollars.
On the topic in this video, would it not be the case that annual deaths from flu if calculated using the JC method would be pretty much zero?
I agree with your comments about Campbell. Its one thing to speak misguidedly but quite another to deliberately lie cos he’s addicted to fame
I would agree - but his PhD is in Philosophy - and he never really talks about that.
@@bruceironside1105 His PhD is in Nursing (from Bolton University) and he did good work on Vitamin D before selling out during the pandemic. The term PhD is an abbreviation of the Latin (Ph)ilosophiae (D)octor where 'philosophy' doesn't relate to the subject under study but is a rough translation of the Greek 'lover of wisdom'.
@@pennygrubbauthor I understand what PhD means - but his is not a PhD in Medicine (science). My understanding is that his PhD is not considered a science degree - its part of Humanities or maybe even Arts - but not science. I have found that he got a PhD for his work on developing methods of teaching using digital media to help teach nursing. His Thesis was on Digital Materials in the Teaching of Nursing. So really its an arts thing he has been awarded it for, not for the science of medicine.
Also, looking at the Uni of Bolton website, it appears that they do not (currently) run a PhD programme in “Nursing”. Would be interested to see his documentation.
He does only have a diploma in Nursing, a BSc in biology (which most gym instructors have these days) and 25 yrs ago a MSc in Health Science (which most Phys Ed and Sex Ed teachers have too), but he has no PhD in a medical science.
Campbell is the weaver of clothes that cannot be seen by 'stupid' people. Hans Christian Anderson would be proud, but how many deaths is he responsible for? That's the question
Is Dr Campbell inaccessible on a personal basis? If you have questions for Dr Campbell, I would assume the most appropriate way is to give him a call or write him a personal note?
He has never replied to my attempts to reach him by email.
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg thank you for your response. Covid has certainly brought out the worst in some of us
He has always replied to me. I find him a very courteous gentleman.
@@fatbelly27 Are you questioning his narrative or thanking him profusely?
@@PifflePrattle Neither, usually
That number was surpising to me due to how many youths gets PCS/Long Covid. So I thought it would have been way higher. I think he might of had the same thought. Do not know but if he thinks like me than that would make sense.
Also, another thing is maybe he is trying to get the views now for the $$$$.
thank you for clarifying and simplifying your questions to Dr Campbell's inferences. this video puts his video in a different context and allows lay people like me to make a realistic appraisal. you have done a valuable service for the public
Say what?
Blimey Doc l don't know what you are talking about , the ONS is UK government approved organisation, your complaint is not very clear what are you complaining
I think there are so many other strong arguments against mask mandate (masks was designed for professional staff and for a controlled area like hospitals, many effective masks cannot be fitted correctly by kids in the hygienic way; limited scientific evidences in a public use) or lockdowns (restrictive to be effective, Australia or NZ had a full lockdown - very harsh but with good results; in the other way lockdowns are just harsh without clear results), so the Campbells' story is not so big really.
Dude; I'm not buying what you're selling, no matter how technically correct you are.. The first rule of gaining someone's attention for a sale (in this case the product is 'trust') is to state your case with your data ... period. Then, if it stands up to public scrutiny - good on you, and you'll gain a following. What you've done here and in your other vids is attack a fellow youtuber directly (and indirectly by questioning his motivations ie; monitization). Even if you're right and JC is wrong - you're coming off as an ankle biter and in the big scheme --- you're going nowhere.
100% agree with you.
In the big scheme of things I am grateful that someone takes the trouble to correct JC.
Wow ... Keep up the great work. Absolutely LOVE your logical delivery. As a matter of interest, has John Campbell responded to the latest ivermectin studies that debunk its efficacy treating Covid
I assume you mean the TOGETHER trial? Not yet. At the end of a recent video he said he would but he was studying it more. He provided a link to the FLCCC's critique of it, which i think gives a prequel of where he's leaning.
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg non acceptance of that study by John Campbell would be a complete grift imo... actually , the fact that he hasn’t even properly addressed it yet is quite telling, in and of itself
I haven't watched you before and think it good that there is a variety of info out there, and its always good to question. I would like to say though, that for the normal person on the street the number 'is' way lower than we (obviously I use the we loosely as I can only speak for myself and those around me) had thought because all we ever get thrust down out throats by the media is the worst of any news stories, without any balance, without the level of transparency needed, and which in turn causes intense fear - sensationalism sells. We accept there are high numbers and that the majority have comorbidities but without any other info provided it's difficult to know what is truth and what isn't, and therefore have any sort of real perspective.
What percentage of Dr. Campbell's content would you categorize as misinformation or disinformation?
Do mistakes warrant censorship, and if so, should the same rules apply to the federal government?
Thank you for creating these rebuttals.
Honestly, when I first subscribed, I was a fan. A lot of his information has been good. But I think as his channel has grown, he's gotten farther out over his skis. He's gotten less tolerant of critique, and more inclined to make new videos every day. I think he would be a lot better if he would slow down his output and think more before posting.
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg Whilst making fewer videos may improve their quality it would certainly harm the cash flow
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg You are an ass. Plain and simple. And a coward to boot.
@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg This is The narrative. Why all of the sudden multiple channels are coming out with the EXACT same criticism? GFY. The gig is up. You have no credibility.
@@justasimpleguy7211 bless your heart
Thank you man, it needed to be said! John turned something great into something scary!
Who cares what you thin steve
@@Lourens551 I do lol!
@@Lourens551 and 23 other people if ya look lol
With 2 infections of COVID and 2 vaccine doses, the opposition to Dr. Campbell and their calls for dictatorial mandates are infinitely more scary to me and to many other people. We do not want to live under the dictatorship of people who willingly ignore the scientific knowledge about natural immunity and the CDC data showing that infected but unvaccinated people have better protection against reinfection than the vaccinated and uninfected.
@@wyqtor unvaccinated have better protection then a person vaccinated then infected?? Jeez
I think what happened is that John Campbell started out alright and due to a lack of organized reporting by general media, he gained a huge following back when he was still making sensible videos....which, in the coming months he exploited that huge following by spreading misinformation.
Oh, so he was virtuous when he presented what you wanted and nefarious when he didn't?
@@justasimpleguy7211 Wrong. He misrepresented facts and fed into the lunacy of anti-vaxxers even if he did so inadvertently (which given the way he is going, is hard to believe). The simple fact that covid is not exactly all mild for everyone and that vaccines save lives is not "what I wanted", it's just an objective fact.
It’s not misinformation just because you don’t like it. It’s data from the ONS.
@@ukcenadmin7362 I doubt you even watched the previous video of Prof Greg. Else you'd not have written this.
Why don't you two have a discussion online
I've reached out to him, but never heard back
I only wish your videos got the views that Campbells did. Along with Susan Oliver, Debunk the funk, you all do a cracking job. Thank you!
Also Dr Wilson does a good job on that as well.
I have one correction for you though. Its not just "people who die". 42% of the ENTIRE US population is currently obese. 10% of the ENTIRE US population have diagnosed diabetes. 47% of the ENTIRE adult population (116 million people) in the US have hypertension. This is just 3 of all possible pre-existing conditions. What do you think is the percentage of people not having ANY of the dozens possible pre-existing preconditions in the general population? I think its going to be pretty close to 15-20%
This data just shows how much the US government 'cares' about its people. If it really did care, it would not allow the food industry to produce food that has led to obesity and other health problems in the population.
@@trudykrkoska7216 I think it shows how people care about themselves. They don't have to eat as they do, But they do need to be educated to take a long hard look at their culture.
@@Lily-Bravo That's partly true. If you take a look at which ingredients food manufacturers have to declare and which they don't - or how they hide ingredients that cause addiction (to sugar, especially), then it is ckear to me that the manufacturers' financial interests override the intetests of our lawmakers/leaders to keep us 'safe' and healthy.
@@trudykrkoska7216 There is another important statistical implication. Since the prevalence of pre-existing conditions is so high in the general population, it also means they are *not* as large of a risk factor as it may seem, due to base rate fallacy.
As a simplified example, lets imagine that 70% of the population has pre-existing conditions and 30% does not, and these pre-existing conditions don't affect the risk of hospitalization *at all*. In that case, we would expect to have 70% in the hospital with pre-existing conditions and 30% without, approximately the same rate as the general population.
Thanks for posting this. I have watched a few videos of Campbell’s overtime, and it took me a long time to figure out what he was actually saying, and where he was coming from. He reminds me of Alec Guinness’s character in Bridge Over the River Kwai. I suspect there is some ego involved with his channel, and also, is his channel monetised?
this one wont have 10 million hits as its not sensationalism
You say why why why....
Please can you explain why 17k is insignificant? Provide stats that show it is expected....
Are you saying that approx 90% of people in the in the age range of most deaths all have a pre existing condition? Pls share data.
Hi Mark, thanks for your question. If you look on the ONS data link in the description of this video, and download the Excel file named "preexistingconditionsreferencetable6", you'll see the data for 2020. It doesn't have _exactly_ the data you are asking for, because ordinary "proportion of deaths without any pre-existing conditions" is not a statistic that anyone uses for anything, but it does show (in Table 1a, columns H-J, the "Mean Proportion of all deaths in EW that mention this condition (2017-19)" ) for all the preconditions that are mentioned. If you compare those columns to the other columns (tabulating all deaths, 2020, or deaths mentioning Covid 2020), you can see that yes, the proportions are similar.
Doctors are encouraged to include all pre-existing conditions that they know of on the death certificates, because the data is primarily used retrospectively to analyse comorbidities over many years.
I'm not putting the full link to the excel file in this comment because TH-cam often deletes comments with links to external web sites. But you can get the ONS link from the description and then find that Excel file and that table. Hope that helps. -- GTK
John does get a lot right but this video was a big boo boo- and was so obvious I was surprised he didn't immediately notice.
What makes you think he didn't notice?
This is not the first time Dr. Campbell as shat the bed and pretended it didn’t happen. Not by a long shot.
A lot of Campbells stuff is just short of Qanon conspiracy stuff . Boy has he got a following . He is now a Pied Piper like figure for lots and lots 'followers' who like 'alternative facts '.
Its a phenomenon called audience capture, and JC is too naive to see it. He is probably being fed this manipulative bull by someone he ended up trusting. Therefore yes you ask a very good question.
I’m a student nurse in the UK and I find Dr Campbell particularly distressing as his pre pandemic videos are shared by tutors. While that isn’t necessarily an issue, I feel he’s being allowed to trade on his reputation to push bad science. I’ve tried asking him questions on his channel, but he never responds. Which is understandable given the size of his following. I really appreciate your thoughtful, well constructed, and well informed critique of his work.
Thank you for your comment, and for pursuing a nursing career.
Ok then nursie direct me to the place where we can find out the effects of covid on a healthy immune system or do you think that is privaliged information
You're misrepresenting. The huge story is that a large number of previously healthy people have unexpectedly died, the only factor in common being that they had had Covid-19 vaccinations, or after the booster shots. But he couldn't overtly say that without TH-cam removing his videos.
After discovering you and a few other youtube channels. I've since unsubbed from John. I had no idea he was willingly releasing misinformation for views, but now I'm pretty convinced he is sadly.
Thanks! 🙂
There is the fact that even ONS Figures are estimations.
Recueving daily figures of numbers dying from covid, on the television, yet it takes 3 weeks to get the data in in regards to other arms of the covid figures., that never made sense.
…The number is profound because of a few reasons:
A) The fear that was relentlessly driven into everyone’s mind through media and public health regardless of how healthy or not a citizen was or is. The fear filled info was purposely generalized and relatable to all to keep EVERYONE scared.
B) The decision to shut down every economy in the world for varying timeframes and lockdowns. If proper risk stratification was done, the lockdowns would have been two weeks as initially intended. We are now entering the 3rd year and some countries are still locked down some worse than others.
C) Children. What comorbidities does your 5 year old have, or your 8 year old, or your 10 year old? None? I’ll bet a pristine immune system like most kids…why demand they vaccinate? Masks?
These are just 3 reasons why your video is simply you trying to be some kind of TH-cam protagonist in your own mind.
Sorry, this is nonsense, and certain amount of 'nit picking,' if you had asked me and I can probably speak for many non experts, I would have guessed many more than that figure given. NOT because I believed that everyone who died were healthy, simply because we are dealing with such large numbers.The fact that others used that information to misrepresent what he said is not his fault, the rest of your questions are hardly earth shaking, I think you could make contact with the man first, rather than this rather silly posting.
Agree wholeheartedly Colin
I disagree completely. There was an unfortunate implication in how Dr Campbell presented that statistic and how he pretty much said these were the only 'purely' Covid deaths, while people with underlying conditions or co-morbidities had Covid but this 17000 figure was the 'real' number, somehow more valid than the other numbers. Anyone with Dr Campbell's abilities should be well aware that the vast majority of people, especially in those older age brackets, have other things going on like elevated blood pressure or diabetes or asthma, etc, and so that large percentage will show up in the death stats. It's not that they didn't die from Covid, it might have been harder to treat, some things might have exacerbated and doubled down inside them, but if they hadn't come across that Covid infection, we wouldn't have lost approx 150,000 during the Covid pandemic, they would have lived for longer, they would have gone on to die from some other cause (because, in the end we do all end up dying).
@@JM-The_Curious An 'unfortunate implication', that you read into it, I listened to the same post and was able to understand immediately that he was not suggesting that 130,000 people would have died in the same period had they not had covid. If he is guilty of anything it is uderestimating just how stupid and manipulative some people can be. I don't know how many of his posts you have watched, I wonder if it is just the one.
@@colinharbinson8284 More ;like dozens that I've watched and thumbed up. And I started watching the channel before Covid. I've found it a good resource and I've shared it with friends.
There is a sucker born every minute and he knows this laughing all the way to the bank...in my opinion..
Please address his latest video too, "data we want it all". I think with this latest one, he is making his stance a bit clearer than before.
Is asking for data also “misinformation”?
@@ukcenadmin7362 no, but he has a tendency now to twist facts and information and present it either entirely wrong or omit some important pieces of information that change the entire meaning. I just want to know if there are finer details that people like Prof Greg and Dr. Susan are obviously better at being objective about than John Campbell.
Let me guess. He wants raw data from ongoing research on a rolling basis as the data comes in?
@@RavikantRai21490 Isn’t that exactly what the media has been doing all along? Cherry picking bits and presenting them in such a way they paint a certain picture.
@@ukcenadmin7362 "The Media" is not some hive mind entity that thinks all the same. The media is comprised of a crap ton of sources, and sure some of them are whack but many of them simply reported things as they were happening. Also, it's a NOVEL coronavirus, not one of the same strains from the past, so information revealed about it in early 2020 will not be etched in stone forever till the end of time. Why is this that hard to grasp?
Hey Prof Greg, first visit back to you in a while. Keep up in the good work with checking and constructive discussion. I am vaxxed and boosted and remain a fan of John Campbell Ph.D. From a US perspective I tend to believe we have had mismanagement but the public health establishment. Applying a bit of hindsight perhaps, I think mismanagement of messages, risk stratification (especially seniors, nursing home, confined), mismanagement/missed opportunity to say often and consistently ‘these are co-morbidities, get them diagnosed and controlled as best as possible’, mismanagement of messages regarding immune support, prophylaxis, and ‘treat early’, and other examples… mismanagement has caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary or premature deaths in the US. And yes, the ‘deaths purely from covid’ as only 10% of the reported pandemic death number is surprising to me. And, by the way a big data point that should support much more public health Messaging to ‘get your co-morbidity under control’. This would seem just about as important a life-saving mesaage as the very ubiquitous ‘get vaxxed and boosted’. Makes me think public health messaging is more about money, power, and control than it is about public health benefits.
Surprising in what way?
Saying "everyone get it" IS motivated more by pragmatism than anything else. Imagine a simple message like "get your vaccine" vs "get your vaccine only if you have this and this and this...oh and if you are "this" you don't need it ...but with this variant you can get it....this and this"
You people would be bitching about how confusing the entire experience is.
I think, but I may be wrong, that the greater number includes deaths DUE to Covid where other conditions are present but these have NOT contributed to the death. and deaths INVOLVING Covid where the other conditions HAVE contributed to the death. The deaths where only Covid is present is the 10% figure but really Covid has killed all by itself in the DUE to group as well.
@@Doeyhead Indeed, keeping call-to-actions simple leads to clear results but with something as important as healthcare a bit more nuance and transparency might have been beneficial in the long run. " Masks don't really work ... only healthcare workers need them" was simple, but terrible messaging.
Where I would draw the line is his recent suggestions that we should aim to get "natural immunity" because it would be better than vaccine immunity. Aiming to get infected to prevent infection just does not make any sense.
I do not understand what caused Mr Campbell's fail. Out of curiosity could he be profiting financially with this?
checkout his socialblade ranking. It gives an estimate of his earnings. I don't know if it's accurate. But his videos are monetized. A million views on a video in this category is more than most doctors make in a day.
He is retired from teaching. Sometimes a feeling of still being listened to and respected for his knowledge is enough.
@@dorkangel1076 he is making plenty of money in addition to getting his ego stroked .
For the same reason his latest video should be a main streem media story.
Well, seems you were proven mistaken !
Imagen he's teaching your kids !
Campbell pretends to be an expert he is just a nurse with a teaching qualification and milking youtube revenue.
"just" a nurse. I find that offensive. Are you forgetting that he also "just" holds a Doctorate. If you are ever hospitalised, it might help to "just" have a nurse there.
Thanks Prof Greg for a different point of view,
Could you please set up a direct interview with Dr Campbell and discuss the matter I am sure he would be happy to answer your questions
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Why don't Greg, Susan Oliver and John do a livestream and discuss the issues? That would be a great discussion!
@@PrentisHancock1 Good idea. But when the complaints are petty and the accusations of intent are way overboard, I don't see how any good will turn out. There need to be some adults watching this.
I thought everybody had preexisting conditions to some level .
Pretty much. Certainly most people who die.
I would ask John Campbell why he trusts the VAERS data and why only 4 of the 25 heart inflammation deaths in the UK study were believed
Believed to be from the mRNA vaccines.
What I am hearing from Dr. Campbell, is quite reassuring compared with what I’m hearing from the media. I can see that you’re unhappy and bugged about his work, so I hope you can have a conversation together and talk to each other rather than complaining about him, without him here, to respond directly.
Prof Greg has repeatedly asked for that to happen.
@@Lily-Bravo Really!
@@Lily-Bravo No he hasnt. John addressed this, and showed that noone has contacted him that has claimed they did at all not from social media nor the BBC
Exactly, suggested on this channel that he has a chat with Dr J.C.
However, why talk with J.C when he can try to grow his own channel by using J.Cs name in his video titles? I am now switching off to this channel...he’s pathetic.
@@Musika1321 Greg is a real Professor with a real professor's job and is obviously really busy. He is clearly not out for money and does this reluctantly, for the pursuit of truth and health. John Campbell seems to relish the publicity and praise he is getting. I think you might be mixing him up with another JC in your adulation. This one is flawed.
Well Why don’t you go on his podcast to discuss your grievances ? he seems like an open guy👻
Riiiight.
He blocks anyone who points out his fairy tales.
@@fredg8199 thanks for the speedy reply 👍
He never responds
He is only interested in making money sadly.
He’s not. He doesn’t answer any comments that push back. He ignores requests to debate. He only has people on his shows who have the “correct” view. I used to avidly follow this guy but, there were a few things he stated that had me going “hey, wait a minute”, on checking them out I found they were misleading. He doesn’t lie: “skates right up to the line”.
Error in my comment it should be non comorbilities instead of comorbilities regarding the NHS doctor.
I love your video