LOST PATROL (2016) - Let's Play old GW boardgames!
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Well it does make the player feel as hopeless as 5 Space Marine Scouts would be when confronted by a horde of Genestealers
Cruel twist for the poor scout that found the drop pod to get scoffed anyway
Can't get more 40k than that.
Funny !!
This is actually the game that made my SO "understand" the hobby. She painted the genestealers white and purple, enjoying every minute of it
LOVE lost patrol! It's a great game concept but yah out of the box it's basically unplayable. the rules I changed are the escape pod is shuffled into the last half of the tile deck so it's random when it shows up, giving the scout player a bit of hope with each tile placed. and the second change is only one genestealer can be spawned on a tile unless there is already an infestation token, so it's not SO easy to steamroll the scouts.
I also like the idea of when a scout wins in melee they clear out the entire tile rather than just one but I’d have to test that
Mira is a good addition for this channel. She provides a very useful view for people like me who are hoping to grow the community, just constantly hearing the same old opinions of gamer dudes is only so useful of a perspective.
And not just that, she's incredibly well spoken and good at analyzing the 40k stories in your book club project.
Her giddiness is of course a great bonus since her excitement is very contagious!
This has quickly become one of my favorite channels! Always happy to see a new video in the feed from you guys!
They did change the game between the first and second editions to make the minis for the bad guys involved. Those changes took a notoriously hard game for the scouts and made it impossible. Age of Sigmar Crypt Hunters from 2020 tries again with an improved turn structure which moves the placing new tiles step such that it is not right before placing the bad guys. This is a huge improvement and porting it to Lost Patrol still leaves a challenging game but makes it feel more like a chase through the jungle.
It's almost like an Aliens movie boardgame :P
Mira's smile had me smiling too! Thanks for the stress relief and great content!
Nice games venue. Looks like a fully stocked bar :)
Good on Mira for giving it a go. So many good scouts fallen to genestealers lol.
I love this format of you guys playing old GW games! First Warmaster and Bommerz over da Sulphur Riva, now Lost Patrol - these retrospectives are great! Keep 'em coming!
On the difficulty it maybe feels like it is in the spirit of the old 80s GW games, which are either notoriously hard (unfair even), very random, or both. Thinking Talisman, Chainsaw Warrior, Dungeonquest etc.
Given the style of the game, and the limited choices the stealer player gets that you mention, I wonder if the second player isn't really a full player as such, and just a replacement for an "AI" system a more... sophisticated game might have, that the game should really be thought of as a one player challenge, rather than full two player game.
This is a very good point. There really should be alternate solo rules, for running the jungle automatically. Maybe marking the ends of paths, so you can randomly determine which end is stuck onto the path via dice rolls.
I once won a game of lost patrol, or at least thats what the legends say...
The dice must have been on your side 😁
Warhammer Retrograde. Cuz you're "grading" "retro" games...I dunno, thought it was a neat space pun.
"Retrograde" means "getting worse".
Also "moving backwards".
So, i wouldn't...
Really nicely painted.
Yay! Mags had a background cameo!
Whenever I teach a new game I act as if I'm playing against Han Solo, I never tell them the odds.
Here’s a suggestion for a name: tabletop time machine.
In the Space Hulk board game, genestealers can rip through Space Marines Terminators within the tight enclosed corridors of a Space Hulk, which is one of the places where Terminator armor is supposed to work best. So, it makes perfect sense that those non-Terminatored scouts have absolutely no chance. Great review of a game I never knew about. I wonder if I can still pick up a copy.
Genestealers sure have fallen pretty far in 40k. In Space Hulk they could rip through terminator armour as if it was nothing, in 40k proper they used to be strength 6, cause fear and have 4 attacks, now they're not even as strong as the bog standard ork boy.
I think with these kinds of games (like Tyranid Attack and Spacehulk too) the best suggestion to use is a Star Wars quote. "Never tell me the odds" and it makes for a better experience and well this way, you never know miracles may happen! Mira came very very close indeed.
Awesome Ian cheers for the content
I found out recently that this version of this game is present at a local board game cafe, gonna have to try it with someone, but we'll go in knowing.
Really liked this video. Interesting game and great to see a "fog of war" style game in the 40K universe. Ian is an excellent narrator as usual and Mira as an alternative view is interesting. I'd love to see a modded version of this game where the imblance is addressed. Honestly this could be a great 'gateway drug' to the wider GW universe.
yeah, having the scouts only succeed in shooting on a 6 is pretty rough; much worse than their odds in 40k (just 36/216 in lost patrol vs 64/216 in 40k, or 128/216 if they shoot twice, which they usually would at this range). letting them succeed on 5+ (still not as good as 40k odds) might be a decent compromise that wouldn't complicate gameplay any further, but i'm not sure if that would swing the balance too far in the other direction
I really love this format, I’ve never heard about any of those board games/spin off but they always propose something different and interesting! And as usual, your presenting style makes it even better.
I had no idea about Lost Patrol! I have Doomsday which is a new take on the same game.
You play as three space marines that are charged with disabling a bomb in a hive city. You have a special way to shuffle the tiles so and you put them all out at once so the board is different each time. The goal is to find the codes, bring them to the bomb to disarm, and then get to the elevator, all while Chaos cultists keep flooding in just like the gene stealers.
Each of the marines has a different innate ability and there are decks of cards. One deck is for cultist's actions and the other is special abilities for the marines. You can pay a one-off game where the bomb is on one level, or a campaign where the bomb is on the second level.
The game is actually balanced, I feel. It's hard to win but completely possible. I bring it over to my mother's and we play when I visit. I say we win 66% of the time? But we work together and it's great beer & pretzles fun.
I've never played Lost Patrol but it looks a lot like a simplified Dungeonquest with dollops of Space Hulk. Looking forward to when you get around to the Wargames series!
Lop sided games have a long history. The Nordic game hnefatafl played in the early medieval period had unbalanced teams and was often a case of 'how long can I last' for the defender.
Remember that bretonian jousting game that came with white dwarf like 20 years ago? Come onnnnn play it! :D
I love the idea of this game! Getting cut off in a dark and shifting jungle is so thematic. Would love to play it someday.
Well now I want the game lol
I wish we saw more games in general, which had a difficulty curve like this. Not frustratingly difficult per say, but I like the idea of a game that is more about seeing how far you can get, instead of the super fine tuned balance of most other games. I think losing can be okay fun if you know that winning is possible, but not very likely.
I remember a white dwarf article where instead of 5 scouts you could play this with 5 terminators.
I never played with those rules but it apparently did make the game a LOT more winnable 😅
I did try that but still its impossible. You do get further though. There is also another version of the game in the white dwarf, which also makes a little better. But the original rules for the 80's are the most balanced
I'd love to see rules for Catachans. Turn the tables on them 'stealers : D:
That was great! And I love seeing different games other than AOS and 40k especially older out of print titles! Which this series could be Retro Gametime.
This box was the first warhammer anything I bought, my local hobby shop owner actually sold it to me a day before it was supposed to be released because I told him I was thinking of starting with tyranids
Brilliant video, makes me want to play this now haha 👍🏻
Great Game .. Great Content ✌️💚
This looks like really fun game to actually play.
Freaking LOVE this channel.
Someone really needs to be cheeky and scan these old game boards, rules, and tokens into PDFs. Would love to play this and I've got all the gubbins just no tiles 😄
Oh yeah the difficulty is brutal but a battled between two seasoned players gets intense
Great vids on the retro games. Keep em comin 👌🏼
Love these types of videos, keep it up!
Thanks for this playthrough! I am looking forward to picking up the new game: Space Marine Adventures: Doomsday Countdown, which is essentially a modern update on the Lost Patrol game.
Actually it is very different. The updated version in the Age of Sigmar Crypt Hunters from last year.
@@bradp6452 I'm not a huge fan of Crypt Hunters. Yes, it is very similar to Lost Patrol as it has similar tile laying mechanism. I still feel that Doomsday Countdown is also a modern update of Lost Patrol.
@@davidk6269 I think that the change from build as you go to prebuilt and the significant change to action structure makes doomsday further removed from Lost Patrol and Crypt hunters.
Space Marine Adventures: Doomsday Countdown uses a hex tiles generation system as well and has a nice, simple rules system like this. It can also be a challenge for the marines to make it to the end. Still a fun game. This would be the type of GW game I would buy. I like these little unique games tha GW releases.
I needed to crack out my copy of Lost Patrol and start playing it again, or at the very least paint the miniatures. You could call the old game segment “lost in the warp” like how space hulks get lost in the warp then randomly reappear in 40K lore :)
I love most old citadel stuff, but those original scout models are pants. Even the metal version was not great. The new scout kit is ok, just wish they had made the heavy bolter guy more musclier like a necromunda heavy
What 40k wants to be...quick,tactical and fun !
I want to like this twice!!
@@GaryKeenan You just Gary !
I thought Space Hulk was hard to win playing the Terminators, but this is on a whole different level!
damn, gary has a lot of cool stuff
Gary has a LOT of cool stuff.
Gary may have painted them, but he didn't remove the bloody mould lines! Silly Gary, what is he like, eh?
There were 2 articles in 2 whitedwarfs that added extra random rule to make the game easier for scouts and to aloow you to play as terminators
The mould lines are ruthless on the genestealer kit. I really like the sculpts but the kit could do with a revision if only to tackle those mould lines.
Yeah. I think its the oldest model kit still in production
Excellent, not sure if they still sell this out there but I'd be willing to pick it up and play with my kids. Although, I'm sure they'd dislike the difficulty but I'd get a kick out of it dropping Dad joke along the way.
Good video, thanks for sharing!
Weirdly enough, I won my first game of this as the scouts. Of course, I only had about two left, but still.
I love this.
Also.. it's space marines.. catachans would win all games
Don't get lost in the jungle even if you're a futre super human
This...planet...is...MURDER!
LPOG: Let's Play Old Games
Too bad this isn't in circulation anymore. I'd like to buy a copy. :(
I regret not getting this game back in 2016, it seems like a decent filler game in between other stuff
Those 1990s plastic space marine scouts aren't classics, they're just very old! I reckon their metal predecessors are considerably nicer. Mind you, I think both sets of old metal scouts are nicer than the current plastic scouts too. :-)
The 00s metal scouts ARE way better then the current plastics!
@@ArbitorIan I think that the current plastic scouts would be OK if they had better head sculpts. The '00s metal scouts would still be crisper and better detailed, but this is most apparent on the heads.
The Rogue Trader era metal scouts are pretty small and a bit weird but they have a lot of character, plus there's one that's armed with a shuriken catapult and another holding a laspistol (despite having a bolt pistol on his belt) and that's the sort of quirkiness you just don't see in more modern models.
I quite like these plastics.
Sure the heads are cheesy beefcakes, but these are supposed to be spacemarines!
Now it's less true with AoS than WHFB but outside a GWs actual real estate I can put my 28mm scale Barrons War army down on the table as a fantasy army.
If the example you used were Warlord Games Landskecht the answer would be obviously those are Cities of Sigmar Freeguild. You kinda have to use an example like that Perry The American Civil War box set to even pose the question.
Looks like a pretty cool game. 😎
so basically space hulk on a hex grid jungle
My terrible suggestion is "Let's Playstic"
my only complaint (with the game, not you guys) is kiiling any 'lost' scouts. if theyre separated, theyre basically already doomed, but they should still get a _chance._ maybe if they make a mad dash through the jungle, they could find the drop pod or find a bunch of twisty paths that rejoin with the others. also, it serves as a diversion for the 'stealers player. if anything, splitting your party in half should be considered a very viable (but dangerous) strategy.
they should turn this into a tablet game...i'd buy it.
Seems like the genestealer played suboptimally. It is essentially always place 3 and attack anytime it is possible.
Will you ever consider doing a video on that black crusade board game based around the black legion? I've heard of it but not much about it's rules
Wanted to track down a copy of this game. you could play a version of the new game fire team if Mira would be up for it. Also you should play a game Mira is familiar with.
With some homebrew rules this could be more balanced, otherwise it gets old fast
Thats what I was thinking too. What could be changed to make it a more equal, fair game.
Maybe you should try Tyranid Attack - if you can find a copy, of course.
40k really do be ripping off Alien and making neat games out of it.
Are those infestation markers also in the old battle for Maccrage set?
So its basically just spacehulk
just give a +1 bonus to scouts and the game may be balanced.
Space Hulk at some point?
Remembrancer Ian? Out of Print? Specialist Reviews? Videos wot us folk loik?
Do one on dreadfleet
"Advanced Space Crusade" beget "Tyranid Attack" beget "Lost patrol" beget reboot of Lost Patrol?
Even though I know what the acronym stands for, and that they're stridently antifascist, I don't think I'll ever stop doing a double-take whenever you mention "the hate club."
It's a pitty GW don't continuity this game, looks funny, and 10-20mins. don't be a mess of time if don't liked..maybe will improve and solve the problems, and adapt to the actual times with a LOOT of great table games to compite with..
Maybe can change the background to..CATACHAN! Catachan colonists Vs catachan wild life..Space Marines and Genestealer have Space Hulk..and will be more nearly the 1st edition of the game, before the actual idea of Space Marines genetical improved O.P..
Wow, that sounds awful to play
"old" "2016"
I barely remember _Lost Patrol_ , but I *do* remember thinking it looked like a cheap cash grab and boded ill for G.W. - I'm glad that my first (and only) impression was at least a little off :) - it looks like an interesting game that would be better if it had greater depth/some _Rogue_ -like mechanics (as an example, maybe the scout player could find single-use equipment cards in the jungle, and a certain number of those cards not used in that game could be carried over in to the next game)
(Also, it annoys me that it shares its title with an Amiga game :)
Another way might be to let players accrue points based on certain milestones in a game. Eliminating enemy pieces might score points, as would destroying infestations or eliminating scouts via separating groups. Give the scouts player a lump of points if they spot the drop pod, so that player can at least get something for _finding_ the exit, even if they don't succeed.
The final tally can be used to grant the scouts player a "Minor Victory" if they lost all their guys, but got more points than their opponent.
Another idea to make the game fairer might be to make it easier to shoot genestealers the more of them there are in a tile (you're more likely to succeed if you're trying to shoot something, *anything* in a mob than you are if you're trying to shoot a specific individual, right..?) - so, for example, if the scout player has to roll a 6 to hit a genestealer if there's one in a tile, they only need to roll a 5+ if there are two in a tile
There's a newer game called Crypt Hunters (based off Age of Sigmar with Stormcasts vs Chainrasps) that seems to be a spiritual successor of Lost Patrol, with some refined mechanics and extra stuff. That sounds more like what you mention in a way