CodeinCaptain Yeah because Rodgers totally doesn't lead that team at all. Without his leadership, the Packers would be sooo much better. It's not like he's carrying the entire team on his back or anything. No, that would be silly to say.
CodeinCaptain He doesn't? You sure about that? What about when he had a godawful defense and godawful running game in 2011 and 2012? Who got them to the playoffs? Aaron Goddamn Rodgers. What about when he went down with an injury in 2013 and the Packers went 2-5-1, where was the "team" then? But who came back and got the team to the playoffs? Aaron Goddamn Rodgers. Or what about Week 17 against the Lions in 2014 after he suffered an injury and the team gave up 14 unanswered points? Who came out and led them to a victory on one leg? Aaron Goddamn Rodgers. Don't fucking bullshit me bro, if you're gonna blindly hate on someone for no reason, don't pick one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL who's literally had to carry a team since his Super Bowl win and is THE reason this team is ever considered a Super Bowl contender. Stars and leaders my ass, no one on this team is anything without #12 putting them on his back year in and year out.
Cowherd simply has athletes that he likes to criticize and athletes that he will never criticize. He likes to criticize Rodgers yet he will never criticize Lebron.
The series with Boston and the one vs. Dallas and the televised bolt for Miami was a bad look, but other than that, what can you really criticize Lebron for? He's been a great teammate, he wins, there's not a glaring weakness to his game, at this point, he's probably a top 5 all time player, if not top 3. I'm just not seeing what you say about him unless someone wants to fall back on the lazy, kind of dumb ring-counting argument.
I acknowledge that he is a legendary player. But I have heard cowherd criticize rodgers, Michael jordan, kobe. LeBron has solidified his legacy but he doesn't have a perfect skill set. His biggest weakness is that He has never been a great jump shooter. He also has a low game tying/winning shots percentage.
I know this is now a little over a year old, but this offers a pretty good comparison with the two most recently reputed all time greats and clutch players. www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/5/11/8584749/lebron-james-michael-jordan-game-winning-shots
Bryce Morrison : He DOES have his favorites, but that doesn’t mean he is not objective when he compares athletes. The fact that he gives props as often as he can to those he feels are deserving doesn’t mean that they are less deserving than he believes they are. Likewise, the fact that he criticizes some athletes more often and more harshly than others doesn’t mean that they are less deserving of that criticism than he believes they are - or that he is being less-than-objective. Everybody knows Brady, Wilson and Luck are his favorites, and that Rodgers is his shipping boy. Rodgers has underachieved for his talent level, and his cupboards have never been bare. He should have at least three rings by now, but he only has one. There’s a reason for that: too many failures to close the show. He also gets moody at times. He’s a nice guy, and he is very talented, but he seems to be difficult to coach.
Mj= Montana (Both undefeated in the biggest moment) Kobe= Brady (both 5-2, won 3 rings early in their career) Lebron= Rodgers (they're a once in a generation type of talent/athlete)
His point is when Kobe and Lebron were at their peak, with terrible teams, Lebron made the finals, while Kobe was struggling to even make the playoffs. They were both awesome on the court players, but Lebron inspires and leads his teammates while Kobe kept to himself.
How was it not impressive when LeBron with no other star beat a championship caliber team consisting of Billups, Rip Hamilton, Prince, Rasheed Wallace to make it to the finals? Lebron was only in his 3rd year at the time! That's very impressive!
You can't blame Aaron Rodgers for less team success, especially when Colin says this. His offense was great against Arizona. The coin flip and the Packers defense lost the game. No QB can make their defense better. If they could, the Saints would not be bad every year. What a QB can do is make offensive players around them better, and Rodgers can certainly do that.
Aaron Rodgers Playoff QB Rating: 100.3 Tom Brady QB Rating: 88.0 AR's problem in the playoffs has not been the offense, it's been the team's defense which has let him down in late game and overtime situations time and again. Not sure how a QB's "leadership" translates into defensive prowess.
Jared Lawatsch : He said that Aaron Rodgers doesn’t make his *TEAMMATES* better. He is saying that Aaron Rodgers doesn’t lead in the locker room and on the sidelines in a way that inspires players to play above themselves. For an example, look back at 2014-15 NFC championship game, in which Russell Wilson led his team to one of the greatest comebacks in sports history - ironically at Rodgers’ expense. Nobody except for the players on that Seahawks sideline thought the Seahawks would come back and win it. They believed because of Russell Wilson, and he convinced Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman and others that they would win. To his detriment, Aaron Rodgers believed that GB had the game sewn up, which tells you that if he had been in Wilson’s position he would have folded like a cheap lawn chair! He wouldn’t have had the wherewithal to rally his players on the sidelines and convince them that they would win this. Russell Wilson makes other players play better, even those players who don’t like him - which is a testament to his greatness as a leader. Tom Brady does that in spades. I think Andrew Luck does that. Deshaun Watson appears to do that. Patrick Mahomes CLEARLY does that, as does Nick Foles. Aaron Rodgers and Cam Newton? Not so much...
"Neither Aaron Rodger or Kobe Bryant make their teammates better" Yeah right. But wait, this is something we can actually test. Let's compare Brady and Rodgers, examining the success of their teams when they havent' been able to play due to injury or suspension. Patriots w/out Brady 14-6 (70%) Packers w/out Rodgers 3-7-1 (32%) Don't get me wrong, both are great QB's. But if there is one QB that you can OBJECTIVELY state makes his teammates better, it's Aaron Rodgers.
I completely disagree. Aaron Rodgers doesn't make his team better? He's helped receivers put up numbers who didn't do squat when they left the Packers. (Greg Jennings, James Jones, for example.) He makes a team that would be one of the worst in the league without him into a Super Bowl contender every single year. Don't tell me he doesn't make his team better. AS for the Kobe comparison, again, I disagree. Kobe is a jerk. Everybody knows that. Players left, superstars left, because Kobe was such a crap teammate. When was the last time Rodgers called a jerk, hard to get along with, etc?
Kyle Magersupp Cleary you didn't understand my comment. Comparing Rodgers to Kobe is completely unfair. Kobe's level of "jerkness" if you will, is on a much higher level than Rodgers. Granted, people may call Rodgers a jerk at times, but he makes players around him better. Kobe was always known as one of the biggest jerks in the NBA, and never made his teammates better. Go troll somewhere else, hmmm?
Rodgers can push and push, but if the receivers don't want to run harder, or create separation then that's on them. If the lineman won't protect him than what's he suppose to do? If Lacy is too overweight or won't compromise his health in order to win, what's he suppose to do? He's missing his number 1 guy and practically his star running back. His offensive line isn't playing well because of coordination. Yeah he doesn't like McCarthy, that's probably because he isn't a great coach. He doesn't have Dungy, Payton, Belichick, Walsh, Shula, Knoll, or Lombardi. He hasn't been blessed with a Marvin Harrison, Jerry Rice, Shannon Sharpe, or Randy Moss. He's one of few greats to never have an all time great coach or an all time great receiver. And yet he still has one of the highest completion percentages, the highest TD/Int ratio, fastest to 30,000 yards, fastest to 250 touchdowns, high passer rating, 3rd highest playoff passer rating, and a two time MVP. Oh yeah, and for everyone who hates on the Packers playoff record, breakdown what teams he lost to, why they lost, and remember he's also a SB MVP.
Do you watch the games? They usually aren't open. And that's funny, considering he's already the fastest to 30,000 yards. So for his entire career he must be throwing it somewhere
Or maybe the coaches should have been more like Ron Rivera. Maybe the line should have been more like Carolina's too. Maybe the receivers should work harder like Carolina's. Don't worry though, 5 of the top 10 offenses were crippled by injury this year. When things return to normal, Rodgers, Brady, Luck, Ben and Romo will put Cam back in his place.
i find it funny that when the team lebrons on wins its cause lebron, but if they lose, its his team, but when Kobe wins its cause his team and "there all allstars" but when he loses its cause Kobe's "trash"
ikr lebron has played with MVP candidates throughout his career, kobe and pau was a unique chemistry and that whole team clicked, they took down the big 3 in boston which was a pretty hard feat to pull off when you were outmatched basically 1 superstar to 3. Pau is consistent but he's not a kyrie kevin love bosh or wade.
lil eiht ball he played for 4 years with a "mvp" candidate who wasn't rly one in dwade while Kobe played 8 years with the "most dominant center of all time "
Ferdinand Herrmann lebron has played with Dwayne wade (hall of famer) you are Hating on wade way too much. he is a top 5 shooting guard of all time, at least top ten if you want to argue. Chris bosh (all star, most likely a hall of famer) kyrie Irving ( all Star, may end up a hall of famer) Kevin love ( all star) and an old but clutch ray Allen kobe has played with shaq (hall of famer) Pau gasol (hall of famer) Karl malone (past prime) Gary payton (past prime) for the first 8 years of lebron career this argument about kobe playing with better teamates made sense. but lebron has legit played with more all Stars then kobe. and if you bring up either andrew Bynum or lamar Odom, all credibility will be lost lol.
+CGiveans so Brady can't throw the football? Brady isn't a great leader? Brady doesn't know how to overcome a comeback? You're saying that a fucking coach does all these things for him? Give me a break lol just use the eye test and you can see that Brady is a great thrower and knows how to lead a team. You're probably a Rodgers fan boy
I am a Packers fan and in some ways I agree with Colin, but there's no way Aaron isn't a leader, you have to be, I would say Tom Brady is more Kobe, but fair point Colin
Tom Brady is the fucking man in a way Aaron Rodgers will never be. The guy is way overhyped. He hasn't done shit since that 2010 Super Bowl and thats a fact. And this year, the loss of Jordy Nelson has badly exposed Rodgers in a lot of ways.
+toby trott your saying that Brady doesnt lead his team or make his team better? Im not a pats fan but cmon he makes the patriots, and makes all his teamates way way better, he is a great leader. but yes aaron rodgers is a good leader so colin is wrong about that
+DOOMED ! What happened when gronk went....... He played like shit But when Rodgers lost Adams, Nelson, Cobb in the Arizona game, he still played very well unlike Brady #hailmary2
Rodgers is always out with teammates supporting locally in Wisconsin, supporting the Bucks, Badgers and Brewers...I don't think you've researched properly on this one.
Kobe Bryant was won consistently throughout his career, Aaron hasn't. Kobe has had success in the postseason throughout his career, Aaron hasn't. Kobe has 5 rings, Aaron has 1. Aaron has phenomenal talent but hasn't had much post season success after his one super bowl ring. He's WAY more LeBron than Kobe; phenomenal talent, hasn't won many championships.
LeBron = Peyton Manning (STAT PADDER BUT ALSO IS A CHOKER) Kobe = Tom Brady (WINNER , DOESN'T HAVE THE BEST STATS , AND NOBODY LIKES HIM 💯 - Lakers , Colts fan
Loaded 2010 Packer roster????/ Cowherd lost all credibility with that comment. Seems half the team was on IR that year and was 8-6 at one point before they got hot.
So true Colin! I live in Green Bay and know that Rodgers struggles to get along with coaches and team mates as well. This is hard to live with knowing that if he had the leadership qualities, we would be such a better team.
J he is giving his opinion of what he sees. Kobe makes his team better by his play but he never elevates his team mates. Kobe is a hof and players and coaches will say great things about him because he was such a great player
just because he was kind of a d!ck doesn´t mean he didn´t lead by example and push his teammates to be better. The guys he clashed with were the guys he didn´t think took their job seriously enough (like Shaq and Dwight, and I love Shaq btw). Kobe had a great relationship with Pau for example. Even by his own admission he was aloof and didn´t have many friends, but that doesn´t mean he wasn´t a leader.
Nicklin262 no the definition of a leader is two ways you lead by example or you lead but direct interaction kobe did both and players got better playing with Pau gasol and lamar Odom for example also Jordan farmar and Bynum and Ariza all became stars under kobe when they left weren't the same
Montana is Jordan, perfect when it matters the most, a great leader and the ultimamente champion. Brady is Kobe, had an amazing supporting team in the beggining of his career when he won 3 championships, always had the greatest coach, a closer and a champion, but not very into media. Manning is LeBron, smart, a great leader, loved by the media and comercials, a semi-god in the regular season, always have to carry teams, is pretty good in the Playoffs but not as great as his former self in the regular season. Aaron is just like Kareem, destroy the stats, won championships, MVPs, is called the greatest in his generation, has won a championship but needs a Magic Johnson, that is yet to show up, to win more championships.
Joao Pedro Jordan and kobe had the same coach though and brady has more rings then Montana I agree with the being perfect and the manning LeBron comparison is right on
Joao Pedro I think that manning one is mostly correct but I can’t help but think about the year the broncos defense carried him in his last super bowl lol
"They're just great and, in the process, their team is better." That's what I've always said about Kobe Byrant. People think Kobe has this unbelievable drive to win. No. Kobe only cares about being THE REASON for his team winning.
Kobe is a leader. Sure he doesn't make his teammates better players while they're on the court, but he does make them better. Case in point, the 2009 and 2010 championship laker teams. Those laker teams had Kobe Bryant's personality. They played tough, they never gave up, and they were clutch. Those teams had their leaders on the court(Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol) but at practices and whatnot, Kobe Bryant led that team. Without that kind of leadership, that team would have never made it.
+ThePacemaker45 It seems Rodgers is the reason they get anywhere and half the time he's limping around or getting hit like target practice. I am not a Packers fan, but I think Rodgers is amazing. His coach is a goof, his receivers couldn't get open, and his line couldn't block....and he still got them a playoff win and it took an OT loss for the Packers to be out of the NFC championship game. If that isn't amazing, I don't know what is.
I'd say Brady is more Kobe like than Rodgers, they both won championships actually multiple championships relatively early in their career.Both are global icons, made a ton of money,played in lot of Finals/SB. Both are arrogant neither get into much trouble outside of the sport and both are relatively quiet in their private life. Both won championships with different star players.
ppl got different ways of leading some more vocal then others. actions do speak louder then words. plus the QB is not the only leader on a team. for example John Kuhn, Clay Mathew's, Julius peppers, Jordy Nelson, Randal Cobb, Mike Daniels, and the list goes on, and that's just one team. I think it's about connecting with ur team mates and keeping communication flowing.
Apparently Colin has never hung with some of these NF players. Most are not what you call uplifting or inspiring. I'm sure Rodgers knows and does what is best for himself, what makes him the top athlete that he is, and doesn't do the things he knows or suspects would drag him down and not help aspire him. It's called intelligence, recognition, commitment, and a lot of other good things, and it all combines to make him above average, far above average, at his chosen profession. Life is less about finding yourself, and more about creating yourself, and what a creation we have in Aaron Rodgers. May he keep on doing what he has been doing.
The problem I have with comparing Jordan to Elway is that Jordan wasn't playing bad when he was losing his teams just weren't good enough to win leaning on his abilities alone. John Elway on the other hand wasn't playing very well in the big games until he got a good running back.
Why would you relate his single performance on how the teams has been preforming, how about the fact that the team has a terrible defense aka "secondary",Mike Mccarthy coaching skills and Ted T and the fact that the defense isn't clutch.
Rodgers is the leader of both the team and the offense, he makes each and every person on the team play better. This is mainly due to the fact that if he is on the field, you always have a chance to win. Even when your down for 60 minutes, he can just throw a hail mary and it's all good.
Wasn't expecting to agree but I do...I think a better analogy would be Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter though. One was clearly more gifted than the other, but one was a leader and worked harder and in the end is remembered as a better player
It sucks being an introverted personality. Kobe, Mike and Aaron are just introverts. Its their PERSONALITY. For some people being in everyones face talking to them and being their friends is extremely uncomfortable.
As someone who is a Packer fan that doesn't have blinders on I agree. Watch Rodgers on the sideline, then watch how Brett was on the sideline when the going gets tough. All last year Rodgers showed zero emotion when the going got tough. Brett would try to pump up the team more often than not.
+lilmorty99 Rodgers showed zero emotion? What's he supposed to do? Throw a tantrum? And he's not showing "zero" emotion, he's remaining calm and collected because he knows that he can't lose his head. You know who else used to do the same thing? A little known guy named Joe Montana.
I wonder if you will still say this after the game. Even after Cobb called Rodgers his "Best Friend"? He may not be a vocal leader but you can be a leader in different aspects. The game vs Redskins proved it.
I see Rodgers more as the Lebron of the NFL and Kobe the Tom Brady of NBA. Lebron and Rodgers skillset is out of this world but Kobe and Brady have that greatness to them that you can't teach. That's how I see it.
Everyone seems to be hating on this, and it's not a great compaison, but there is definitely some truth he is getting at. He is not saying Aaron plays bad when he doesn't have talent, he is just not a team leader that inspires teammates. His personality is not wired for it. If you listen to what people close to him say that is obvious.
No, Kobe was singularly focused on winning and being the best when he played. Aaron Rodgers depends on the people who debate Skip Bayless to carry his water for him.
Did he say "loaded" 2009 team? Does he realize the packers team was decimated with Injuries the superbowl season? The guy has put up arguably the top 2 highest QB rated seasons ever. That's not Rodgers as the problem. His defense gave up 400+ yards a game in 2011 and he willed his team to 15-1 purely on his arm talent. Imagine if he had a defense that 2011 season
When he won that super bowl, it WAS loaded with Brett Favres players, but if you think the Pack will win without Aaron Rodgers then there is something with your brain.
Whoever thinks Kobe wasn't a leader should just read what his teammates from the 2009-2010 runs had to say about him. His drive inspired everyone to be a better player and he elevated a very good team into champions. Also, it's quite clear he doesn't like Rodgers. Where exactly is Brady's leadership? Between him crying to the refs for flags and him screaming at assistant coaches, I can't see it.
I think people get mistaken when they say Kobe wasn't a leader. He WASN'T. But, he became a leader in 08-09-10. Phil Jackson said himself that Kobe struggled to become a leader til an older age whereas he saw Michael as a leader immediately as 1-2 year pro, but MJ had matured in College for 3 years. I don't doube Kobe wouldn't have become a leader if he opted to go to Duke for a few seasons and came into the NBA more mature. But, he didn't. He came in too young and was a spoiled, narcissistic brat and stayed that way through til his late 20's.
No. Your opinion is incorrect, Colin. Rodgers does make his team better. 2 previous players claim he's aloof and he's condescending, yet the majority of current players/coaches say he is a big supporter of not only the team goal, but being good at winning. Kobe is a ridiculous argument to make. I love hearing you and I love your take on sports, but this is wrong. Period.
First off, Rodgers makes everyone around him better than they actually are. Greg Jennings and James Jones have proved that. Jordy Nelson is not an elite athlete, but he excels like few others have because of Rodgers. I just don't see where this is coming from. Rodgers has been criticized in the past (honestly just Jennings who wanted to come back to the team after being terrible everywhere else) for not accepting blame. Greg Jennings' main complaint was that Rodgers was so good that any dips in performance was placed on him and the receiving crew. Watching this season, I wholeheartedly believe all blame should be put on them. I don't know if I've watched a football player throw the ball away as much as Rodgers has this year. He runs away from pressure because no one's open and then has to throw it away because none of his receivers could get separation in the 8 or so seconds h buys them. It is quite literally the exact same thing that has resulted in the dip in productivity from Brady over the last several weeks; a weak receiving group barred by injuries. This was really a stupid point; Rodgers is GOAT type of talent held back by poor defenses, plain unluckiness (Seattle), and a more competitive conference (let's face it, it's the Patriots vs. Peyton's team most of the time). Enjoy him while he's still playing.
I think Kobe and Rodgers are great leaders they just have a unfriendly style. They just have similar personalities. I think they both made their teammates better but just not to the degree of LBJ/Brady.
How can you say he does not make his teammates better. Jordy Nelson does not become one of the best route runners in the NFL if Rodgers didn't push his receivers to get better. You don't score the most points on free plays (offside penalties) without commanding the offense and having everyone doing there job. Look at the Top 100 players segments from the past couple years and you will see other NFL players respect and admire Rodgers. Unlike Kobe, players want to play with him. He has never had any drama going on that detracts from the team. Colin's comments come off as extremely biased. He can compare him to Kobe all he wants. Kobe is an all time great that will garner the respect from the basketball community long after he is gone. To say he does not make his team better is just stupid. Way to show your hate Colin.
Kobe wasn't a leader as #8 but he was as #24. Even now you have players like Kyrie, Westbrook, Durant, Isaiah Thomas, etc all idolize Kobe and are being mentored by him as well. Also, Lebron's a great player but there's a reason why the majority, beside the media, choose Kobe over Lebron. You want that type of mentality because they know what to expect no matter the situationl
aaron rodgers is one of the best quaterbacks in the nfl he is repected by his team mates dont blame him for being great this is ridiculous to say that aaron rodgers is not a leader he leads his team mates on the field but expects them to play well its not like this guy can do any better
Rodgers doesn't make his teammates better? I guess that's why Greg Jennings and James Jones were stars without him right? Oh wait....
So true. Rodgers makes his receivers look good.
He meant the overall team, Rodgers led the offense but the star QB's lead the team. Any good qb can make his receivers look good.
CodeinCaptain Yeah because Rodgers totally doesn't lead that team at all. Without his leadership, the Packers would be sooo much better. It's not like he's carrying the entire team on his back or anything. No, that would be silly to say.
But he doesn't carry the entire team on his back.. There have plenty of stars & leaders on the Packers throughout his career.
CodeinCaptain He doesn't? You sure about that? What about when he had a godawful defense and godawful running game in 2011 and 2012? Who got them to the playoffs? Aaron Goddamn Rodgers. What about when he went down with an injury in 2013 and the Packers went 2-5-1, where was the "team" then? But who came back and got the team to the playoffs? Aaron Goddamn Rodgers. Or what about Week 17 against the Lions in 2014 after he suffered an injury and the team gave up 14 unanswered points? Who came out and led them to a victory on one leg? Aaron Goddamn Rodgers.
Don't fucking bullshit me bro, if you're gonna blindly hate on someone for no reason, don't pick one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL who's literally had to carry a team since his Super Bowl win and is THE reason this team is ever considered a Super Bowl contender. Stars and leaders my ass, no one on this team is anything without #12 putting them on his back year in and year out.
Cowherd simply has athletes that he likes to criticize and athletes that he will never criticize. He likes to criticize Rodgers yet he will never criticize Lebron.
The series with Boston and the one vs. Dallas and the televised bolt for Miami was a bad look, but other than that, what can you really criticize Lebron for? He's been a great teammate, he wins, there's not a glaring weakness to his game, at this point, he's probably a top 5 all time player, if not top 3. I'm just not seeing what you say about him unless someone wants to fall back on the lazy, kind of dumb ring-counting argument.
I acknowledge that he is a legendary player. But I have heard cowherd criticize rodgers, Michael jordan, kobe. LeBron has solidified his legacy but he doesn't have a perfect skill set. His biggest weakness is that He has never been a great jump shooter. He also has a low game tying/winning shots percentage.
I know this is now a little over a year old, but this offers a pretty good comparison with the two most recently reputed all time greats and clutch players. www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/5/11/8584749/lebron-james-michael-jordan-game-winning-shots
Yeah and you like Aaron and won't accept when someone criticizes them, what's the diff. ?
Bryce Morrison : He DOES have his favorites, but that doesn’t mean he is not objective when he compares athletes.
The fact that he gives props as often as he can to those he feels are deserving doesn’t mean that they are less deserving than he believes they are.
Likewise, the fact that he criticizes some athletes more often and more harshly than others doesn’t mean that they are less deserving of that criticism than he believes they are - or that he is being less-than-objective.
Everybody knows Brady, Wilson and Luck are his favorites, and that Rodgers is his shipping boy. Rodgers has underachieved for his talent level, and his cupboards have never been bare.
He should have at least three rings by now, but he only has one. There’s a reason for that: too many failures to close the show.
He also gets moody at times. He’s a nice guy, and he is very talented, but he seems to be difficult to coach.
Mj= Montana (Both undefeated in the biggest moment)
Kobe= Brady (both 5-2, won 3 rings early in their career)
Lebron= Rodgers (they're a once in a generation type of talent/athlete)
What about elway
Lebron never won without help either, so why criticize Kobe for that and not Lebron? he left cleveland to get better help.
He loves lebron
Because LeBron got to the championship without help. Kobe didn't.
His point is when Kobe and Lebron were at their peak, with terrible teams, Lebron made the finals, while Kobe was struggling to even make the playoffs. They were both awesome on the court players, but Lebron inspires and leads his teammates while Kobe kept to himself.
***** he got the finals in the weak eastern conference and then got swept by a western conference team. i really dont think its a big deal
How was it not impressive when LeBron with no other star beat a championship caliber team consisting of Billups, Rip Hamilton, Prince, Rasheed Wallace to make it to the finals? Lebron was only in his 3rd year at the time! That's very impressive!
You can't blame Aaron Rodgers for less team success, especially when Colin says this. His offense was great against Arizona. The coin flip and the Packers defense lost the game. No QB can make their defense better. If they could, the Saints would not be bad every year. What a QB can do is make offensive players around them better, and Rodgers can certainly do that.
Colts without Peyton 1-15, Peyton made the Colts better.
napalmwes Then that means their offense was loosing games.
Aaron Rodgers Playoff QB Rating: 100.3
Tom Brady QB Rating: 88.0
AR's problem in the playoffs has not been the offense, it's been the team's defense which has let him down in late game and overtime situations time and again.
Not sure how a QB's "leadership" translates into defensive prowess.
Did this dude just say that Aaron Rodgers doesn't make his team better... wtf
Jared Lawatsch *teammates
Jared Lawatsch : He said that Aaron Rodgers doesn’t make his *TEAMMATES* better.
He is saying that Aaron Rodgers doesn’t lead in the locker room and on the sidelines in a way that inspires players to play above themselves.
For an example, look back at 2014-15 NFC championship game, in which Russell Wilson led his team to one of the greatest comebacks in sports history - ironically at Rodgers’ expense.
Nobody except for the players on that Seahawks sideline thought the Seahawks would come back and win it.
They believed because of Russell Wilson, and he convinced Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman and others that they would win.
To his detriment, Aaron Rodgers believed that GB had the game sewn up, which tells you that if he had been in Wilson’s position he would have folded like a cheap lawn chair!
He wouldn’t have had the wherewithal to rally his players on the sidelines and convince them that they would win this.
Russell Wilson makes other players play better, even those players who don’t like him - which is a testament to his greatness as a leader.
Tom Brady does that in spades.
I think Andrew Luck does that.
Deshaun Watson appears to do that.
Patrick Mahomes CLEARLY does that, as does Nick Foles.
Aaron Rodgers and Cam Newton? Not so much...
Ramone DeCurta wrong
I like Colin but disagree 100% with every comparison
"Neither Aaron Rodger or Kobe Bryant make their teammates better"
Yeah right. But wait, this is something we can actually test. Let's compare Brady and Rodgers, examining the success of their teams when they havent' been able to play due to injury or suspension.
Patriots w/out Brady
14-6 (70%)
Packers w/out Rodgers
3-7-1 (32%)
Don't get me wrong, both are great QB's. But if there is one QB that you can OBJECTIVELY state makes his teammates better, it's Aaron Rodgers.
I completely disagree. Aaron Rodgers doesn't make his team better? He's helped receivers put up numbers who didn't do squat when they left the Packers. (Greg Jennings, James Jones, for example.) He makes a team that would be one of the worst in the league without him into a Super Bowl contender every single year. Don't tell me he doesn't make his team better. AS for the Kobe comparison, again, I disagree. Kobe is a jerk. Everybody knows that. Players left, superstars left, because Kobe was such a crap teammate. When was the last time Rodgers called a jerk, hard to get along with, etc?
many players call Rodgers a jerk, and say that to the coaches,he can do no wrong. etc.
Kyle Magersupp Cleary you didn't understand my comment. Comparing Rodgers to Kobe is completely unfair. Kobe's level of "jerkness" if you will, is on a much higher level than Rodgers. Granted, people may call Rodgers a jerk at times, but he makes players around him better. Kobe was always known as one of the biggest jerks in the NBA, and never made his teammates better. Go troll somewhere else, hmmm?
You're right they're nothing alike. Kobe actually wins.
Lucas Spear I'm a troll because I disagreed with you? Lol thank God Trump's President. He'll give you weaklings a dose of reality.
Rafi Hernandez Another dogmatic person on the Internet with sensitive feelings. Who would've thought?
Rodgers can push and push, but if the receivers don't want to run harder, or create separation then that's on them. If the lineman won't protect him than what's he suppose to do? If Lacy is too overweight or won't compromise his health in order to win, what's he suppose to do? He's missing his number 1 guy and practically his star running back. His offensive line isn't playing well because of coordination. Yeah he doesn't like McCarthy, that's probably because he isn't a great coach. He doesn't have Dungy, Payton, Belichick, Walsh, Shula, Knoll, or Lombardi. He hasn't been blessed with a Marvin Harrison, Jerry Rice, Shannon Sharpe, or Randy Moss. He's one of few greats to never have an all time great coach or an all time great receiver. And yet he still has one of the highest completion percentages, the highest TD/Int ratio, fastest to 30,000 yards, fastest to 250 touchdowns, high passer rating, 3rd highest playoff passer rating, and a two time MVP. Oh yeah, and for everyone who hates on the Packers playoff record, breakdown what teams he lost to, why they lost, and remember he's also a SB MVP.
It's called throwing your WRs open. All the great QBs can do it ... Except for Aaron Rodgers strangely.
Do you watch the games? They usually aren't open. And that's funny, considering he's already the fastest to 30,000 yards. So for his entire career he must be throwing it somewhere
He shoulda been more like Cam this year. Nice stats though, yaaaawn!
Or maybe the coaches should have been more like Ron Rivera. Maybe the line should have been more like Carolina's too. Maybe the receivers should work harder like Carolina's. Don't worry though, 5 of the top 10 offenses were crippled by injury this year. When things return to normal, Rodgers, Brady, Luck, Ben and Romo will put Cam back in his place.
+Ray Petree Riiight, injuries
i find it funny that when the team lebrons on wins its cause lebron, but if they lose, its his team, but when Kobe wins its cause his team and "there all allstars" but when he loses its cause Kobe's "trash"
ikr lebron has played with MVP candidates throughout his career, kobe and pau was a unique chemistry and that whole team clicked, they took down the big 3 in boston which was a pretty hard feat to pull off when you were outmatched basically 1 superstar to 3. Pau is consistent but he's not a kyrie kevin love bosh or wade.
lil eiht ball he played for 4 years with a "mvp" candidate who wasn't rly one in dwade while Kobe played 8 years with the "most dominant center of all time "
Ferdinand Herrmann lebron has played with
Dwayne wade (hall of famer) you are Hating on wade way too much. he is a top 5 shooting guard of all time, at least top ten if you want to argue.
Chris bosh (all star, most likely a hall of famer)
kyrie Irving ( all Star, may end up a hall of famer)
Kevin love ( all star)
and an old but clutch ray Allen
kobe has played with
shaq (hall of famer)
Pau gasol (hall of famer)
Karl malone (past prime)
Gary payton (past prime)
for the first 8 years of lebron career this argument about kobe playing with better teamates made sense. but lebron has legit played with more all Stars then kobe. and if you bring up either andrew Bynum or lamar Odom, all credibility will be lost lol.
Oh god give me a break ! Brady is a leader? He is lead by the GOAT of coach bellicheck!
bill is the best coach to ever live and I believe hes the reason his players are good now.
Tom Brady is an average system quarterback. Matt Cassel looked good in that system. Tom Brady is the most overrated player in all of sports
CGiveans I 100% agree with you
+CGiveans Truest thing ever!
+CGiveans so Brady can't throw the football? Brady isn't a great leader? Brady doesn't know how to overcome a comeback? You're saying that a fucking coach does all these things for him? Give me a break lol just use the eye test and you can see that Brady is a great thrower and knows how to lead a team. You're probably a Rodgers fan boy
The only person that could actually make me come to Aaron Rodgers' defense is Colin Cowturd
Cowherd is the Eli Manning of sportscasting: you have no idea how such a mediocrity continues to have success.
I am a Packers fan and in some ways I agree with Colin, but there's no way Aaron isn't a leader, you have to be, I would say Tom Brady is more Kobe, but fair point Colin
Tom Brady is the fucking man in a way Aaron Rodgers will never be. The guy is way overhyped. He hasn't done shit since that 2010 Super Bowl and thats a fact. And this year, the loss of Jordy Nelson has badly exposed Rodgers in a lot of ways.
+toby trott your saying that Brady doesnt lead his team or make his team better? Im not a pats fan but cmon he makes the patriots, and makes all his teamates way way better, he is a great leader. but yes aaron rodgers is a good leader so colin is wrong about that
+Billy Galvin No way, Tom Brady is brilliant but it's unfair to say that Aaron Rodgers isn't a leader
+DOOMED ! What happened when gronk went....... He played like shit
But when Rodgers lost Adams, Nelson, Cobb in the Arizona game, he still played very well unlike Brady #hailmary2
toby trott
reread what i wrote i wrote ARod is a good leader so colin is wrong about that
Excellent commentary! I couldn't have said it better myself.
Aaron Rodgers doesn't have that mamba mentality
They don't have to hang out with their teammates off the field/court. Leadership is lonely.
I disagree with all of this. Arod is a great leader.
yea cowherd u right arod the nfl kobe a baddd mannnnnn
Ballin Too right!!!
slime carter lls lmao
Rodgers is always out with teammates supporting locally in Wisconsin, supporting the Bucks, Badgers and Brewers...I don't think you've researched properly on this one.
Kobe Bryant was won consistently throughout his career, Aaron hasn't. Kobe has had success in the postseason throughout his career, Aaron hasn't. Kobe has 5 rings, Aaron has 1. Aaron has phenomenal talent but hasn't had much post season success after his one super bowl ring. He's WAY more LeBron than Kobe; phenomenal talent, hasn't won many championships.
+Maphack No, I just think Aaron is more similar to LeBron, that's all.
LeBron = Peyton Manning (STAT PADDER BUT ALSO IS A CHOKER)
Kobe = Tom Brady (WINNER , DOESN'T HAVE THE BEST STATS , AND NOBODY LIKES HIM 💯
- Lakers , Colts fan
Lebron is a choker?😂
+Kyle Mills uhh have you seen the 2011 NBA finals and game 6 of the 2013 NBA finals(4th quarter)
Loaded 2010 Packer roster????/ Cowherd lost all credibility with that comment. Seems half the team was on IR that year and was 8-6 at one point before they got hot.
Aaron Rodgers is a baaaaaaaaddd Mannan!!!!
so apparently kyrie kevin and jr smith didn't help lebron win just lebron?
"If I started a company. Would guys come to work with that guy?" That's a great quote on leadership.
So true Colin! I live in Green Bay and know that Rodgers struggles to get along with coaches and team mates as well. This is hard to live with knowing that if he had the leadership qualities, we would be such a better team.
Cowherd is a Rodgers hater I don't get it
I avoid everything he has to say about Rodgers bc he NEVER has anything good to say about him. Literally
Biggest waste of 6:39 of my life
Kobe is leader period. period. stop with that non sense. rather trust what nba coaches and players say then this guy on this one.
J he is giving his opinion of what he sees. Kobe makes his team better by his play but he never elevates his team mates. Kobe is a hof and players and coaches will say great things about him because he was such a great player
just because he was kind of a d!ck doesn´t mean he didn´t lead by example and push his teammates to be better. The guys he clashed with were the guys he didn´t think took their job seriously enough (like Shaq and Dwight, and I love Shaq btw). Kobe had a great relationship with Pau for example. Even by his own admission he was aloof and didn´t have many friends, but that doesn´t mean he wasn´t a leader.
That's kinda the definition of being a non leader..
Nicklin262 no the definition of a leader is two ways you lead by example or you lead but direct interaction kobe did both and players got better playing with Pau gasol and lamar Odom for example also Jordan farmar and Bynum and Ariza all became stars under kobe when they left weren't the same
Hi It's me Kobe job was to score only. That's it. Like Jordan. Pippen handled the facilitator role
Montana is Jordan, perfect when it matters the most, a great leader and the ultimamente champion.
Brady is Kobe, had an amazing supporting team in the beggining of his career when he won 3 championships, always had the greatest coach, a closer and a champion, but not very into media.
Manning is LeBron, smart, a great leader, loved by the media and comercials, a semi-god in the regular season, always have to carry teams, is pretty good in the Playoffs but not as great as his former self in the regular season.
Aaron is just like Kareem, destroy the stats, won championships, MVPs, is called the greatest in his generation, has won a championship but needs a Magic Johnson, that is yet to show up, to win more championships.
Joao Pedro Jordan and kobe had the same coach though and brady has more rings then Montana I agree with the being perfect and the manning LeBron comparison is right on
Joao Pedro I think that manning one is mostly correct but I can’t help but think about the year the broncos defense carried him in his last super bowl lol
"They're just great and, in the process, their team is better."
That's what I've always said about Kobe Byrant. People think Kobe has this unbelievable drive to win. No. Kobe only cares about being THE REASON for his team winning.
Kobe is god
Kobe is a leader. Sure he doesn't make his teammates better players while they're on the court, but he does make them better. Case in point, the 2009 and 2010 championship laker teams. Those laker teams had Kobe Bryant's personality. They played tough, they never gave up, and they were clutch. Those teams had their leaders on the court(Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol) but at practices and whatnot, Kobe Bryant led that team. Without that kind of leadership, that team would have never made it.
Interesting listening to this with the tragedy that happened recently
Aaron Rodgers is not a bad leader stop it Colin.........
+ThePacemaker45 It seems Rodgers is the reason they get anywhere and half the time he's limping around or getting hit like target practice.
I am not a Packers fan, but I think Rodgers is amazing. His coach is a goof, his receivers couldn't get open, and his line couldn't block....and he still got them a playoff win and it took an OT loss for the Packers to be out of the NFC championship game.
If that isn't amazing, I don't know what is.
+UnlimitedProduction1 thank you
I'd say Brady is more Kobe like than Rodgers, they both won championships actually multiple championships relatively early in their career.Both are global icons, made a ton of money,played in lot of Finals/SB. Both are arrogant neither get into much trouble outside of the sport and both are relatively quiet in their private life. Both won championships with different star players.
Nicky_Projectz the truth tom Brady is Kobe of the NFL
cowherd just talks and talks and doesn't know what hes talking about, probably forgets what he talked about the next day.....
Wow, I think if Colin looked back at this after the 2017 season, he'd just be like "Wow, I was sooooo wrong"
Not suppose to hang with your teamates in the pros. They are teamates not friends and they can do what they want.
Spot on comparisons!
One man can change the course of a basketball game but not a football game. Stop the comparisons.
ppl got different ways of leading some more vocal then others. actions do speak louder then words. plus the QB is not the only leader on a team. for example John Kuhn, Clay Mathew's, Julius peppers, Jordy Nelson, Randal Cobb, Mike Daniels, and the list goes on, and that's just one team. I think it's about connecting with ur team mates and keeping communication flowing.
Apparently Colin has never hung with some of these NF players. Most are not what you call uplifting or inspiring. I'm sure Rodgers knows and does what is best for himself, what makes him the top athlete that he is, and doesn't do the things he knows or suspects would drag him down and not help aspire him. It's called intelligence, recognition, commitment, and a lot of other good things, and it all combines to make him above average, far above average, at his chosen profession. Life is less about finding yourself, and more about creating yourself, and what a creation we have in Aaron Rodgers. May he keep on doing what he has been doing.
Actually kinda makes sense
The problem I have with comparing Jordan to Elway is that Jordan wasn't playing bad when he was losing his teams just weren't good enough to win leaning on his abilities alone. John Elway on the other hand wasn't playing very well in the big games until he got a good running back.
Probably one of Collins best segment ever
Brady epically overcame an 8 year drought.
this guy looks and sounds like a Bill Hader character off SNL
Why would you relate his single performance on how the teams has been preforming, how about the fact that the team has a terrible defense aka "secondary",Mike Mccarthy coaching skills and Ted T and the fact that the defense isn't clutch.
When the three most popular soccer players aren't strikers
This is the biggest praising of Tom Brady and LeBron I have ever seen.
He just compared him to Lebron and now says he's Kobe ???
Rodgers is the leader of both the team and the offense, he makes each and every person on the team play better. This is mainly due to the fact that if he is on the field, you always have a chance to win. Even when your down for 60 minutes, he can just throw a hail mary and it's all good.
Wasn't expecting to agree but I do...I think a better analogy would be Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter though. One was clearly more gifted than the other, but one was a leader and worked harder and in the end is remembered as a better player
It sucks being an introverted personality. Kobe, Mike and Aaron are just introverts. Its their PERSONALITY. For some people being in everyones face talking to them and being their friends is extremely uncomfortable.
I don't like how Collin says "Aloof" as a negative. Im aloof and that is perfectly fine it's just a differint personality type.
nope Montana is Jordan
Manning is Kobe
Brady is Lebron
Manning is nothing like Kobe, he's not comparing the talent of the players but the personality
Brady is Jordan and Manning is LeBron.
Manning is Duncan. Manning never quit like LeBron.
Salvador Flores
Montana Jordan GOATS
Brady Kobe Rings > Mvps
Manning Lebron Mvps > Rings
Salvador Flores lol. Stop. Kobe won 5/7 he's Montana as well. Lebron is McNabb
As someone who is a Packer fan that doesn't have blinders on I agree. Watch Rodgers on the sideline, then watch how Brett was on the sideline when the going gets tough. All last year Rodgers showed zero emotion when the going got tough. Brett would try to pump up the team more often than not.
+lilmorty99 Rodgers showed zero emotion? What's he supposed to do? Throw a tantrum? And he's not showing "zero" emotion, he's remaining calm and collected because he knows that he can't lose his head. You know who else used to do the same thing? A little known guy named Joe Montana.
I wonder if you will still say this after the game. Even after Cobb called Rodgers his "Best Friend"? He may not be a vocal leader but you can be a leader in different aspects. The game vs Redskins proved it.
You want to rethink that in light of 12 being out?
the disrespect of kobe and his leadership ability us never ending !!!
when did Colin talk NHL and Premier League?
Coulda swore Derrek Carr had the most 4th quarter comebacks last season.......
I see Rodgers more as the Lebron of the NFL and Kobe the Tom Brady of NBA. Lebron and Rodgers skillset is out of this world but Kobe and Brady have that greatness to them that you can't teach. That's how I see it.
kobe dont make his team better? lls stop
It seems like this comes down to introvert v. extrovert personalities. The rest is just quibbling about what the definition of an ideal leader is.
How is Aaron the Kobe Bryant of the NFL when Kobe Bryant is 18th all time in his league and ARod is 1st all time in his?
Everyone seems to be hating on this, and it's not a great compaison, but there is definitely some truth he is getting at. He is not saying Aaron plays bad when he doesn't have talent, he is just not a team leader that inspires teammates. His personality is not wired for it. If you listen to what people close to him say that is obvious.
No, Kobe was singularly focused on winning and being the best when he played. Aaron Rodgers depends on the people who debate Skip Bayless to carry his water for him.
Did he say "loaded" 2009 team?
Does he realize the packers team was decimated with Injuries the superbowl season?
The guy has put up arguably the top 2 highest QB rated seasons ever.
That's not Rodgers as the problem. His defense gave up 400+ yards a game in 2011 and he willed his team to 15-1 purely on his arm talent.
Imagine if he had a defense that 2011 season
I've always thought he's more like LeBron than Kobe.
When he won that super bowl, it WAS loaded with Brett Favres players, but if you think the Pack will win without Aaron Rodgers then there is something with your brain.
Whoever thinks Kobe wasn't a leader should just read what his teammates from the 2009-2010 runs had to say about him. His drive inspired everyone to be a better player and he elevated a very good team into champions.
Also, it's quite clear he doesn't like Rodgers. Where exactly is Brady's leadership? Between him crying to the refs for flags and him screaming at assistant coaches, I can't see it.
+George Krontiris exactly
I think people get mistaken when they say Kobe wasn't a leader. He WASN'T. But, he became a leader in 08-09-10. Phil Jackson said himself that Kobe struggled to become a leader til an older age whereas he saw Michael as a leader immediately as 1-2 year pro, but MJ had matured in College for 3 years. I don't doube Kobe wouldn't have become a leader if he opted to go to Duke for a few seasons and came into the NBA more mature. But, he didn't. He came in too young and was a spoiled, narcissistic brat and stayed that way through til his late 20's.
The Barkley favre comparison is spot on
No. Your opinion is incorrect, Colin. Rodgers does make his team better. 2 previous players claim he's aloof and he's condescending, yet the majority of current players/coaches say he is a big supporter of not only the team goal, but being good at winning. Kobe is a ridiculous argument to make. I love hearing you and I love your take on sports, but this is wrong. Period.
Who are you? What gives you the right to talk shit about Kobe And Aaron. When they both play good that elevates the team
Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Corey Dillon, Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman , GOOD DEFENSE just saying
First off, Rodgers makes everyone around him better than they actually are. Greg Jennings and James Jones have proved that. Jordy Nelson is not an elite athlete, but he excels like few others have because of Rodgers. I just don't see where this is coming from. Rodgers has been criticized in the past (honestly just Jennings who wanted to come back to the team after being terrible everywhere else) for not accepting blame. Greg Jennings' main complaint was that Rodgers was so good that any dips in performance was placed on him and the receiving crew. Watching this season, I wholeheartedly believe all blame should be put on them. I don't know if I've watched a football player throw the ball away as much as Rodgers has this year. He runs away from pressure because no one's open and then has to throw it away because none of his receivers could get separation in the 8 or so seconds h buys them. It is quite literally the exact same thing that has resulted in the dip in productivity from Brady over the last several weeks; a weak receiving group barred by injuries. This was really a stupid point; Rodgers is GOAT type of talent held back by poor defenses, plain unluckiness (Seattle), and a more competitive conference (let's face it, it's the Patriots vs. Peyton's team most of the time). Enjoy him while he's still playing.
kobe and brady have the same competitive drive. Brady is more of a leader but Kobe still gets the job done ( 5 rings)
Kobe Bryant =committed
I think Kobe and Rodgers are great leaders they just have a unfriendly style. They just have similar personalities. I think they both made their teammates better but just not to the degree of LBJ/Brady.
If you put talented, hungry players around Kobe he'll win, as he proved time and time again in his career
kobe hung out by himself because he was 18 and everyone else went to bars and clubs lol
Aaron isn't a great leader like Brady but Aaron still is a top 3 qb in the NFL
No one rips Aaron like that
How can you say he does not make his teammates better. Jordy Nelson does not become one of the best route runners in the NFL if Rodgers didn't push his receivers to get better. You don't score the most points on free plays (offside penalties) without commanding the offense and having everyone doing there job. Look at the Top 100 players segments from the past couple years and you will see other NFL players respect and admire Rodgers. Unlike Kobe, players want to play with him. He has never had any drama going on that detracts from the team. Colin's comments come off as extremely biased. He can compare him to Kobe all he wants. Kobe is an all time great that will garner the respect from the basketball community long after he is gone. To say he does not make his team better is just stupid. Way to show your hate Colin.
This is wrong Aaron Rodgers's accuracy make the receivers better.
Rodgers makes people way better. He makes average receivers and tight ends great
I'd say Rodgers is like James harden. Both are amazingly talented offensively. But Rodgers has no defense and harden doesn't play defense
Kobe wasn't a leader as #8 but he was as #24. Even now you have players like Kyrie, Westbrook, Durant, Isaiah Thomas, etc all idolize Kobe and are being mentored by him as well. Also, Lebron's a great player but there's a reason why the majority, beside the media, choose Kobe over Lebron. You want that type of mentality because they know what to expect no matter the situationl
aaron rodgers is one of the best quaterbacks in the nfl he is repected by his team mates dont blame him for being great this is ridiculous to say that aaron rodgers is not a leader he leads his team mates on the field but expects them to play well its not like this guy can do any better
You mean he is James Harden because he constantly gets help from refs that grants him victories.
Rodgers leads more by example. Rodgers wont get up in your face and yell at you if you do something wrong.
He's more like the lebron of football, has everthing you want from a QB and creates plays.
how is lebron more obsessed than kobe
tht was tha 2o1o team tht w🏈n tha champi💍nship
Ironically now Martellus Bennett plays for the Packers.