Lisette Elise Paris Agreed and I understand Conor in the video title will bring in a lot of views too. I was just making a joke, i’m not hating on anyone. If Cowboy fights stylistically, which he probably won’t, he has a much bigger chance of winning this fight then people think.
Not a fan of the gi. I respect the tradition and understand it’s necessity in street situations but for MMA purposes I would think no gi would be sufficient by itself. Also takes away the grabbing aspects of gi training and would likely sharpen submissions and setups because you can’t grab the gi.
For sure, but gi is more popular due to no gi being so recent. Finding a no gi place to train isn’t easy for everyone, at that point I’d say it’s better to train gi than not train with a group at all.
Agree. I just started training 6 months ago and I enjoy no gi so much more. Rolling with a gi feels like a push and pull fight whereas training without the gi feels more like wrestling which is much more fun.
Not only is their obvious physiological benefits to things like running, flipping tires, climbing rope, etc but I feel like the underappreciated benefit is that they and ones like them are primarily done outdoors. People, even athletes, need to be outside more. I'm not a professional athlete but I exercise regularly and garden and feel like there is great psychological benefit with including outside manual labor type work to my routine.
Being int the elements is more rough than being in a nice perfect leveled floor with Matt’s and AC. I agree it adds a extra level of toughness gym goers don’t get
@@elijahstark3663 Not qualified to teach the basics? What the fuck are you going on about? A lot of beginners classes are taught by purple belts who aren´t professional fighters, but Conor isn´t good enough to teach the basics?
I train 10th planet BJJ myself. But following MMA I feel like there is not much evidence that it's more effective in MMA than other schools. I don't see a lot of successfull fighters in MMA that benefit from what's unique about 10th p. Most of the time fighters benefit from how good their Basics are. How well do they improve their position, passing/retaining the guard getting controlling of the back. Breaking and controlling posture to avoid strikes. A great RNC and maybe a handfull of submissions that the fighter is really really good in finishing and getting to. Sure their are some very successful fighters with a 10th p background most notably porbably Tony Ferguson and Kelvin Gastelum. But if you think about the fighters that apply their BJJ best in MMA you do not think of 10th p. Your thinking of Maia, Jacare, Ryan Hall, Ortega etc.
Is it though? Or is that just what the 10th planet guys like to say? No disrespect to 10th Planet, Eddie is a good coach and Tony Ferguson for example is great off his back but there’s just not a lot of substantial evidence that the rubber guard, the foundation of 10th planet jiujitsu, is really that effective in MMA and especially in BJJ competitions.
BJJ with the Gi is more for actual self defense, in the fact that a Gi replicates clothing that people wear daily.. People with aspirations in MMA should train No Gi for sure though.. it's quite simple.. Though training with a Gi to begin with probably has some benefits.
I can’t imagine Eddie Bravo teaching BJJ for self defense where you jersey someone with their t-shirt and start punching their face like a hockey player. Wait, yes I can.
@@thefloridamanofytcomments5264 Eddie is not the creator of NO-GI jj, the Gracies since they created the bjj always trained with gi n no-gi. No-gi is just a bjj without gi. Both r BJJ
The gi or "kimono" were common clothing back then in Japan before western influenced. Now it's more of a tradition, but to say that it's unrealistic for the street, I don't think it's a good argument. Same could be said with strictly no gi (your opponent can't grab your clothing and you theirs), that's unrealistic too. So what I think is that you have to compromise, find common ground, which is, someone could grab your clothing and control you, but because you've adapted to gi and no-gi, you'll be able overcome the challenge
What Chael said at the 3:27 mark is very true. Just because something might not seem applicable doesn't mean it does not matter. You got to factor in everything especially when it comes to succeeding in the highest of levels.
... so you're saying you cant keep up and need the grips to stop them from blowing past your guard? Fair enough. I believe NoGi has an athleticism advantage while Gi helps to eliminate that for less athletic individuals, which is fine.
Before i even watch the vid i feel like this question was directed right at me. Crazy thing is i was talking about it last night with one of my bjj coaches and he said wearing it would refine technique because its more difficult to train bjj due to the extra grips.
Ghostface Killah lol i dont think anything could but what i mean is just the techniques of bjj. For comparison its like shadow boxing with a resistance band to generate better speed/power
A few points. Certain throws and moves basically require Gi experience to learn and apply no Gi. For example, Judo Throws in MMA (Harai Gosh for example) The resistance of a Gi and the Grips, make escaping far harder. Therefore, your escapes need to improve dramatically. It's very much a wrestler mentality to just hold on. IBJJF rules encourage you to fight until you atleast pass half guard and secure side control which is not resting at all. Moreover, the Gi is typically associated with the IBJJF point system. Which has it's flaws, which can definitely be exploited, but ultimately encourages position far more than the submission only perception of things you see in No-Gi. Hence why Eddie Bravo started the whole combat jiu jitsu thing.
Honestly, most of those throws are already replicated inside of Collegiate and Greco-Roman Wrestling. I was banned from using wrestling throws in BJJ, because nobody understood how to counter a grip-less throw until purple belt, and even then it wasn't easy. Hell, even if they do counter it; you can just use the gi grips at the last second to cheat your way to finishing it anyway. Harai-Goshi is basically the clothed version of an arm-drag/shoulder throw.
@@MrNeCr01 I'm no expert on Wrestling, but I do know that it's fairly common for a Judoka to start wrestling and have success with moves considered very 'unorthodox' for wrestlers. Plenty of examples on youtube of that. . . Another point I can add is analogy from Kali/the Filipino Martial Arts. In those arts if you start training with a stick (which is supposed to represent a sword, just safer and cheaper) there are also many empty hand skills, movements, and patterns that you learn as well. So you learn two things at the same time.
Tony Ferguson trains in a hyperbolic chamber no wonder he is undefeated for so many years and can level up in short amounts of time I just wonder where he has access to a real hyperbolic chamber I’d like to train in one
it’s simple. if you are training for self defense on the street, train in a Gi. unless you live on a beach, odds are you’re going to get in a fight with clothes on. if i were an mma fighter, i would feel like bjj in a gi is mostly a waste of time. you can learn a lot of fundamentals but obviously the best idea for MMA would be to train no gi at somewhere like 10th planet AND wear MMA gloves everytime you roll. it’s only logical
In 20 years of being involved in martial arts and MMA, in my personal opinion, I think the people that train gi have an easier time crossing over to no-gi whereas no-gi people aren’t able to pick up rolling with the gi as easily. In terms of practical self-defense, it gives you a lot of self-defense options since everyone wears clothes and jackets. However, I believe that everyone interested in BJJ and MMA training should train both gi and no-gi.
@@giohill559 Also most of the clothes that people wear is not coarse like a gi to maximize the friction between the hand and gi, and most everyday clothes does not have oversized sleeves and lapels to facilitate griping, and unlike a gi, most clothes is at least somewhat elastic, making it harder for gripping your clothes to control. There are many reasons why the gi does not properly emulate most commonly worn clothes.
Sleeping more at night can give you a competitive advantage - So true! When I was training I was working Mon-Fri. I'd wake up @5:30AM and get home after training @11:30PM. I usually slept 3 - 4 hrs a night ( after making dinner + decompressing [guitar or movie]). The shop closed at 1 or 2 on Fridays - also fight night at the dojo - so if I woke up early enough from my nap, I was able to fight w an irregularly high potential to what I was used to.
training in the gi is very beneficial. and i think people should do it once in awhile, though i get that the majority of our mma specific training is and should be focused on no gi techniques and ideals. i like to play with all of the tools myself. gi you have to really be thinking
We also don't wear 16 ounce gloves, but we use them when we practice boxing. To me even in a GI it teaches sweeps and submissions that will cross over.
The gi or "kimono" were common clothing back then in Japan before western influenced. Now it's more of a tradition, but to say that it's unrealistic for the street, I don't think it's a good argument. Same could be said with strictly no gi (your opponent can't grab your clothing and you theirs), that's unrealistic too. So what I think is that you have to compromise, find common ground, which is, someone could grab your clothing and control you, but because you've adapted to gi and no-gi, you'll be able overcome the challenge
Athletes have limited time and energy. Makes no sense to use the Gi when it doesn't translate nearly as well as no-gi does for MMA. Gi and no-gi are almost different sports imo. Why waste precious time doing something that is less effective at preparing yourself
The only thing it can offer is friction, which in turn makes you work more technically in escapes. You can’t just slide out of a sweaty armbar in the gi, you have to work for the escape even when tired. Same rule applies for a lot of submissions. It’s not necessary, but I think for someone in the early years of BJJ it can be very helpful.
@@MrCholoPants3415 Yea there are a lot of grips and positions that you can only work towards and hold in gi rolling that you simply can´t in no-gi. Doesn´t make sense to use hours and hours working on a position that you can´t use or you´re very unlikely to be able to use in an MMA fight when you could just do no-gi. Also as a side note, I think training no-gi prepares you a lot better for the pace and physicality of an MMA match since there aren´t too many places to rest when both guys are slippery and there´s nothing to hold on to and one guy is always trying to elbow or puynch the other guy in the head. I´ve seen some guys who are great with a gi on lose to guys who frankly don´t have the best grappling technique when they were going no-gi, purely because they gassed out. They weren´t used to not being able to slow down and breathe so they gassed out when a less technical, more physical dude kept smashing through and putting them under pressure.
@@Mrraerae 100% agree brother. I spend most of my time in the gi.. and when I roll no-gi with guys who spend all their time doing no-gi I feel like a fish out of water. There's a reason why there aren't many guys who become champs simultaneously in gi and no-gi in tournaments, they're vastly different sports. I just see no reason to waste time learning techniques in the gi that are irrelevant in the cage. I'm surprised it's such a contentious topic tbh.. seems like common sense.
Never competed in cage fighting, BJJ tournament, wrestling match, kickboxing, boxing or anything so take what I say with a grain of salt. I think strength and conditioning is probably 15-25% in these combat sports depending on the situation and the athlete.
Idk. I’d say no gi is more useful for mma , but gi also has some benefits. For Instance, in gi you have to be more aware, since there are more takedowns/submissions that can happen to you. Also from my experience gi is also pretty helpful when it comes to grip strength, since there is much more grip fighting , and it’s harder to get good positioning. No gi is better for mma though since mma fights are no gi. But it would be beneficial for mma fighters to train in the gi at least sometimes though.
I dont know if you answer questions from the comments, but I would like to know your opinion on whether the unified rules of MMA that every promotion has more or less settled on for a long time now, is sufficient for exploring/contesting/showcasing the concept of MMA / all inclusive sport combat? Is there a place and hunger for a version of MMA with no gloves at all? an MMA where supportive aids like knee sleeves and kinesiotape is allowed? an MMA with a longer single round like early UFC? an MMA with radically different scoring targets (which would perhaps work well as an amateur less violent variant) such as scoring pins or a bunch of points for lifting your opponent off the ground or overhead for a number of seconds? It surprises me how little variety there is in MMA , especially at amateur level.
That thing about BJJ at a grass root level and only other brown and black belts being allowed to train with brown and black belts... that’s not true. At all. Ever. at least in my BJJ base I have for mma. I got my blue belt and I’ve been training with brown and black belts since I was a white belt. Helps me a lot with control for MMA
MMA fighters probably don't have a need to train in the gi; however, for people interested in using BJJ for self defense, they absolutely do need to train in the gi.
I appreciate this video I would like to add one perspective for anyone willing to chime in: The only reason I’m having the debate is because of time and resources. I’m a cop I am currently sacrificing to pay for two gyms (one is 10th planet because they have wrestling and No Gi the other is Alliance which only has Ms one no Gi day)for my son who is very passionate (at 10 lol ) about bjj. But he just asked to focus solely on No Gi, I am tempted to honor the request because it will also save money. The only Caveat is that because I work so much BJJ is kind of a bonding thing so I recently started going with him to Alliance. So I’m in a position where due to time and resources I’d have to choose and I’m wondering what kind of disadvantage he’s at if I let him do solely. No go and same for me
I train both gi and no gi. I definitely see improvement in both from training in each. You just understand the positions better simply by working them differently. I think its valuable.
I like your sleep analogy. I would extend it to other arts though. Why always train a watered down(not that No Gi is watered down, it's just not as specific to the art) version of an art just so that it fits within the theme of MMA. Imagine saying it's dumb to train traditional Muay Thai over a Chute Boxe style because the stance isn't applicable to MMA. Or it's nonsense to train pure Boxing as a MMA fighter because there are no kicks. No one talks ish about Sambo or Judo training as you are working on a very specific side of grappling skills. Skills that the athlete understands has limitations within the realm of MMA and therefor must meld into their game. Skills that would not be learned as deeply if done within the context of MMA alone. This is the same for Gi BJJ. Chael's point about the Gi being easy to hold is half correct. Yes it is easier for you to grab and rest, but the factor he didn't consider is empathizing with the other combatant. If its easier for me in the moment, that means its harder for you. If you can escape an armbar or a lapel choke in the Gi, the escape in No Gi is trivial. If you can pass the guard in the Gi... I prefer competing and hard training in No Gi, but I love the art within the Gi(ignoring the IBJJF silliness, good old fashioned Kron Gracie style Gi). One comparison I like to make for my students is to take a world class artist, give them paint(No Gi), and then paint and a brush(Gi). Both paintings will be beautiful but one will surely be more intricate. Love your videos Chael.
I can’t do no-hi everyday so I just go to the gi classes to get more experience on top on my no-gi classes (three times a week) and pretend I’m only in no gi and don’t use many gi grips.
Se here's my problem: Chael says there's a video on TH-cam of Jon Jones fighting an 11 yo girl and of course I want to see it, but I've been trolled by Mr.Sonnen into searching things that don't exist so many times now I'm actually scared.
I feel the Gi still has purpose in pure grappling/BJJ, but MMA is a mixture of styles and the Gi is the outfit of a particular style. Should MMA fighters wear Gi’s? No, but they should at least know what one is!
Mr. Chale Cheal however the hell you spell your name.... Man I just want you to know I see thru your bullshit...... your good man you really are if you wasn’t I wouldn’t be commenting. Man you try so hard. You deserve it....... I’ve never commented on a TH-cam video in my life but you earned it. Keep it up brother
training in GI is amazing for MMA and no gi. To me it's analogous to a swimmer training with pants and a jacket on. It would make you strong as fuck to train with that resistance on. Gi is the same, you feel like you're drowning.
If you have access to a no gi gym take advantage. If all the guys do around you is gi, train gi. It’s better than not training with people live, maybe let your instructor know your intentions to translate to mma, and maybe there will be a no gi day at least. On the street though it’s rare to fight a naked guy. Typical clothes are t shirt and jeans if not sweater and sweatpants. So gi in my opinion for street defence isn’t perfect but also isn’t useless.
gi is "more stretegic" than nogi? from which it would follow that judo is "more strategic" than wrestling (because wrestling is "nogi")...now that just sounds extremely doubtful...
Gi is necessary. If you use brute strength whilst trapped in an armbar you may escape, but with a gi on you must use technique. The gi provides resistance and grip forcing you to put your strength some what to the side. A Gi is a training tool to master technique. Generally speaking a no gi fighter that trains in a gi is a more precise fighter.
@@pliskin13x Wrestling and mma share a similar approach. Bjj does lack some cohesiveness with mma, but this is partly because bjj is a long game strategy and wrestling is a shorter and more blunt approach. In a fight without rounds, bjj works better the longer the fight goes. Doing 8 minute rounds with wrestlers in bjj, the wrestlers don't last.
@@trendsettertilestone9602 maybe if the gi is involved, but I've never heard someone say wrestlers lack conditioning lol. The average high school wrestler has more mat time and matches than the average bjj guy will get with years of experience. Not to mention bjj tournaments can have like 3 guys in a weight division where you're guaranteed to win a medal even if you lose; in wrestling you can have a 12 man bracket to fight through in order to make it to the finals. Usually a tournament can go for over 2 days straight in wrestling. It's a lot more grueling to become a championship wrestler.
@@pliskin13x I'm not saying wrestlers aren't conditioned. I'll tell you this a bjj black belt match is 10 minutes and in that ten minutes gi or no gi, wrestlers have a more difficult time with open ended matches. Not because of conditioning but because of a lack of patience. Wrestlers I train against use a lot of setups followed by strength and fast follow through. If they don't catch me initially and I brave the storm a couple times, eventually I tap them or time runs out.I have total respect for wrestlers and I feel it's just a different discipline. To be clear, I think that wrestling is better in mma, and in a street fight wrestling is superior thanks to proper takedowns and quickness. Unless the fight goes long. Jiu-jitsu was built for the duration, I have not trained any mma but I do think a wrestling base does lead to a more rounded fighter. Jiu-jitsu guys tend to get bogged down in bjj and don't become a complete fighter.
@@trendsettertilestone9602 makes total sense! Bjj is definitely more effective once you're both exhausted and ground fighting, especially at that high level.
John Danaher wore a rashguard to Matt Serra's wedding
Tuxedo rash guard
I always hear that story, is that a joke or is that really true ?
@@newbritainpauly4841 its true. Gordon Ryan says John has nice rashguards that he doesn't train in because he wears them to dinner.
@@newbritainpauly4841 of course, they're more efficient
@@alexneville8168 Jesus Christ
Me: Finally a video thats not about Conor
Chael: Hold my gi
Nobody cares you don’t want a video that’s not about Conor get in the trash can you little nerd
@@Amzyy lol can't u get a joke
Right? But that fight is rather a big deal. And Cowboy could/probably will win.
There should be a sperste mma event where the gi is mandatory. I don't know why this didn't catch on
Lisette Elise Paris Agreed and I understand Conor in the video title will bring in a lot of views too. I was just making a joke, i’m not hating on anyone. If Cowboy fights stylistically, which he probably won’t, he has a much bigger chance of winning this fight then people think.
Did Chael Sonnen fight in Gi? No? There's the answer.
well said
Well said
did chael p sonnen ever wear a Gi?
your welcome
Wu Tang!
The question is, should a certified G train in a Gi?
Adrian Kalitka yes 100%
There should be a sperste mma event where the gi is mandatory. I don't know why this didn't catch on
Adrian Kalitka Underrated comment
Logan Hahaha are you joking?😂😂😂
No
Chael cleans his GYM with a gi
Bravo is that u?
The only time gi is useful
Was eddie bravow
The Gracie's are requesting your location.
Lmao
1:46 Chael Sonnen reveals his superhuman speed for just a moment.
It's called dimension jumping. Chael does it for fun randomly.
Uncle Chael: There’s no tires in the octagon.
Vince McMahon: Not yet. 😏
Toyo tires the official tire of the UFC
Jiu Jitsu Everybody that’s my fathers brother what’s gay about it
@@cynicaljavascript5019 He's your uncle too so your'e gay af
Not a fan of the gi. I respect the tradition and understand it’s necessity in street situations but for MMA purposes I would think no gi would be sufficient by itself. Also takes away the grabbing aspects of gi training and would likely sharpen submissions and setups because you can’t grab the gi.
Totally agree. I think Chael's point is more that it really doesn't matter that much which you do rather than that one is better than the other.
For sure, but gi is more popular due to no gi being so recent. Finding a no gi place to train isn’t easy for everyone, at that point I’d say it’s better to train gi than not train with a group at all.
Agree. I just started training 6 months ago and I enjoy no gi so much more. Rolling with a gi feels like a push and pull fight whereas training without the gi feels more like wrestling which is much more fun.
Not only is their obvious physiological benefits to things like running, flipping tires, climbing rope, etc but I feel like the underappreciated benefit is that they and ones like them are primarily done outdoors. People, even athletes, need to be outside more. I'm not a professional athlete but I exercise regularly and garden and feel like there is great psychological benefit with including outside manual labor type work to my routine.
Being int the elements is more rough than being in a nice perfect leveled floor with Matt’s and AC. I agree it adds a extra level of toughness gym goers don’t get
A horse is a better training partner. If you can take a blow from a horse, you can take a blow from any human being.
Your nickname changes the whole context of this comment
I am not going to get a horse to blow me
But the question still remains... just how good is Conor GiGregor?
rds908 he’s a brown belt so he has an understanding of jujitsu but not qualified to teach the basics.
john bush definitely qualified to teach the basics and probably a better understanding of grappling that 50% of black belts out there
@@elijahstark3663 Not qualified to teach the basics? What the fuck are you going on about? A lot of beginners classes are taught by purple belts who aren´t professional fighters, but Conor isn´t good enough to teach the basics?
@@tomjones2056 mcgregor got his “brown belt” from dillon danis,he’s probably more like a decent purple belt. but dillon wants that mcgregor hog
Uncle chael uses tractor tyres as armbands when he goes swimming.
Chael "Jon lost to an eleven year old girl" Sonnen
10th planet is the best system for mma
Yes
It’s the best system for MMA if you’re a BJJ player...but wrestling is still superior
Yep
I train 10th planet BJJ myself.
But following MMA I feel like there is not much evidence that it's more effective in MMA than other schools.
I don't see a lot of successfull fighters in MMA that benefit from what's unique about 10th p.
Most of the time fighters benefit from how good their Basics are. How well do they improve their position, passing/retaining the guard getting controlling of the back.
Breaking and controlling posture to avoid strikes.
A great RNC and maybe a handfull of submissions that the fighter is really really good in finishing and getting to.
Sure their are some very successful fighters with a 10th p background most notably porbably Tony Ferguson and Kelvin Gastelum.
But if you think about the fighters that apply their BJJ best in MMA you do not think of 10th p.
Your thinking of Maia, Jacare, Ryan Hall, Ortega etc.
Is it though? Or is that just what the 10th planet guys like to say? No disrespect to 10th Planet, Eddie is a good coach and Tony Ferguson for example is great off his back but there’s just not a lot of substantial evidence that the rubber guard, the foundation of 10th planet jiujitsu, is really that effective in MMA and especially in BJJ competitions.
BJJ with the Gi is more for actual self defense, in the fact that a Gi replicates clothing that people wear daily.. People with aspirations in MMA should train No Gi for sure though.. it's quite simple.. Though training with a Gi to begin with probably has some benefits.
having experience with both is beneficial
I can’t imagine Eddie Bravo teaching BJJ for self defense where you jersey someone with their t-shirt and start punching their face like a hockey player. Wait, yes I can.
@@thefloridamanofytcomments5264 Eddie is not the creator of NO-GI jj, the Gracies since they created the bjj always trained with gi n no-gi. No-gi is just a bjj without gi. Both r BJJ
The gi or "kimono" were common clothing back then in Japan before western influenced. Now it's more of a tradition, but to say that it's unrealistic for the street, I don't think it's a good argument. Same could be said with strictly no gi (your opponent can't grab your clothing and you theirs), that's unrealistic too. So what I think is that you have to compromise, find common ground, which is, someone could grab your clothing and control you, but because you've adapted to gi and no-gi, you'll be able overcome the challenge
I train 2 no gi’s and one gi aweek. My goal is to compete in mma, is that good?
Chael "this is a very real thing" Sonnen
The real question is, whether or not more mma fighters should train with uncle Chael?
Doesn't matter, he can't let them get close.
no gi since you don't have a gi in a mma fight
What Chael said at the 3:27 mark is very true. Just because something might not seem applicable doesn't mean it does not matter. You got to factor in everything especially when it comes to succeeding in the highest of levels.
Sounds like something an aikido dude would say
I find no gi fighters are spasy when they only in no gi! Gis help slow the game down and people are more technical and it’s definitely transferrable
... so you're saying you cant keep up and need the grips to stop them from blowing past your guard? Fair enough. I believe NoGi has an athleticism advantage while Gi helps to eliminate that for less athletic individuals, which is fine.
I train 2 no gi’s and one gi aweek. My goal is to compete in mma, is that good?
Chael “The Original G in a Gi” Sonnen
You can't get graded in nogi though and the one thing that gi guys love more than pulling guard is pulling rank.
Max Gurth so true
@@Lcr38 you do get graded in nogi
@@ryang9973 I'm dumb to jujitsu...what are grades?
Before i even watch the vid i feel like this question was directed right at me. Crazy thing is i was talking about it last night with one of my bjj coaches and he said wearing it would refine technique because its more difficult to train bjj due to the extra grips.
But can Gi save you from Uncle Chael's power double? Don't think so.
Ghostface Killah lol i dont think anything could but what i mean is just the techniques of bjj. For comparison its like shadow boxing with a resistance band to generate better speed/power
Ya but no gi he wouldn't have to tie your belt still
A few points.
Certain throws and moves basically require Gi experience to learn and apply no Gi. For example, Judo Throws in MMA (Harai Gosh for example)
The resistance of a Gi and the Grips, make escaping far harder. Therefore, your escapes need to improve dramatically. It's very much a wrestler mentality to just hold on. IBJJF rules encourage you to fight until you atleast pass half guard and secure side control which is not resting at all.
Moreover, the Gi is typically associated with the IBJJF point system. Which has it's flaws, which can definitely be exploited, but ultimately encourages position far more than the submission only perception of things you see in No-Gi. Hence why Eddie Bravo started the whole combat jiu jitsu thing.
Honestly, most of those throws are already replicated inside of Collegiate and Greco-Roman Wrestling. I was banned from using wrestling throws in BJJ, because nobody understood how to counter a grip-less throw until purple belt, and even then it wasn't easy. Hell, even if they do counter it; you can just use the gi grips at the last second to cheat your way to finishing it anyway.
Harai-Goshi is basically the clothed version of an arm-drag/shoulder throw.
@@MrNeCr01
I'm no expert on Wrestling, but I do know that it's fairly common for a Judoka to start wrestling and have success with moves considered very 'unorthodox' for wrestlers. Plenty of examples on youtube of that. . .
Another point I can add is analogy from Kali/the Filipino Martial Arts. In those arts if you start training with a stick (which is supposed to represent a sword, just safer and cheaper) there are also many empty hand skills, movements, and patterns that you learn as well. So you learn two things at the same time.
“pop into a college restroom and get a 30 minute drill in with some young stud and go home sweaty”
heard it as i read it lmao
Funny thing. Back in the late 90's early 00', no one in Brazil called the Gi a Gi, they called it a "kimono".
We still call it kimono, nobody here call it a gi
@@348ck3 good to now. I just that because I've never went back, having kids an al... no money and little freedom...mais tenho saudades do brasil...
For those of you wondering, no-gi is much more applicable to MMA.
This was the greatest / longest set up for a Jon Jones insult I've ever heard. I'm dying😂
Tony Ferguson trains in a hyperbolic chamber no wonder he is undefeated for so many years and can level up in short amounts of time I just wonder where he has access to a real hyperbolic chamber I’d like to train in one
it’s simple. if you are training for self defense on the street, train in a Gi. unless you live on a beach, odds are you’re going to get in a fight with clothes on. if i were an mma fighter, i would feel like bjj in a gi is mostly a waste of time. you can learn a lot of fundamentals but obviously the best idea for MMA would be to train no gi at somewhere like 10th planet AND wear MMA gloves everytime you roll. it’s only logical
In 20 years of being involved in martial arts and MMA, in my personal opinion, I think the people that train gi have an easier time crossing over to no-gi whereas no-gi people aren’t able to pick up rolling with the gi as easily. In terms of practical self-defense, it gives you a lot of self-defense options since everyone wears clothes and jackets. However, I believe that everyone interested in BJJ and MMA training should train both gi and no-gi.
No one wears clothes that is stiff snd sturdy AF. Itll eadily rip. Only thing tbat wont is jean pants
I agree w both of you, tho I believe no gi is more realistic/more street applicable therefore I like no gi more
@@giohill559 Also most of the clothes that people wear is not coarse like a gi to maximize the friction between the hand and gi, and most everyday clothes does not have oversized sleeves and lapels to facilitate griping, and unlike a gi, most clothes is at least somewhat elastic, making it harder for gripping your clothes to control. There are many reasons why the gi does not properly emulate most commonly worn clothes.
@@nathanarkin6861 Exactly, it's a weapon/tool, not something that can be replicated by most everyday clothing.
@@bromendez5073 yeah especially if you live in a warmer climate area where people are wearing wife beaters/ no shirt
Sleeping more at night can give you a competitive advantage - So true!
When I was training I was working Mon-Fri. I'd wake up @5:30AM and get home after training @11:30PM. I usually slept 3 - 4 hrs a night ( after making dinner + decompressing [guitar or movie]). The shop closed at 1 or 2 on Fridays - also fight night at the dojo - so if I woke up early enough from my nap, I was able to fight w an irregularly high potential to what I was used to.
Should race car drivers train in go carts?
There should be a sperste mma event where the gi is mandatory. I don't know why this didn't catch on
training in the gi is very beneficial. and i think people should do it once in awhile, though i get that the majority of our mma specific training is and should be focused on no gi techniques and ideals.
i like to play with all of the tools myself.
gi you have to really be thinking
Do u even fight mma
Perfect timing! Just starting to learn jiu jitsu for the first time!
We also don't wear 16 ounce gloves, but we use them when we practice boxing. To me even in a GI it teaches sweeps and submissions that will cross over.
The gi or "kimono" were common clothing back then in Japan before western influenced. Now it's more of a tradition, but to say that it's unrealistic for the street, I don't think it's a good argument. Same could be said with strictly no gi (your opponent can't grab your clothing and you theirs), that's unrealistic too. So what I think is that you have to compromise, find common ground, which is, someone could grab your clothing and control you, but because you've adapted to gi and no-gi, you'll be able overcome the challenge
Train in both. What's the problem?
Athletes have limited time and energy. Makes no sense to use the Gi when it doesn't translate nearly as well as no-gi does for MMA. Gi and no-gi are almost different sports imo. Why waste precious time doing something that is less effective at preparing yourself
The only thing it can offer is friction, which in turn makes you work more technically in escapes. You can’t just slide out of a sweaty armbar in the gi, you have to work for the escape even when tired. Same rule applies for a lot of submissions. It’s not necessary, but I think for someone in the early years of BJJ it can be very helpful.
@@MrCholoPants3415 Yea there are a lot of grips and positions that you can only work towards and hold in gi rolling that you simply can´t in no-gi. Doesn´t make sense to use hours and hours working on a position that you can´t use or you´re very unlikely to be able to use in an MMA fight when you could just do no-gi. Also as a side note, I think training no-gi prepares you a lot better for the pace and physicality of an MMA match since there aren´t too many places to rest when both guys are slippery and there´s nothing to hold on to and one guy is always trying to elbow or puynch the other guy in the head. I´ve seen some guys who are great with a gi on lose to guys who frankly don´t have the best grappling technique when they were going no-gi, purely because they gassed out. They weren´t used to not being able to slow down and breathe so they gassed out when a less technical, more physical dude kept smashing through and putting them under pressure.
@@MrCholoPants3415 weird how athletes make time to do Gi and no Gi with their limited time. I'm assuming you don't do any combat sports.
@@Mrraerae 100% agree brother. I spend most of my time in the gi.. and when I roll no-gi with guys who spend all their time doing no-gi I feel like a fish out of water. There's a reason why there aren't many guys who become champs simultaneously in gi and no-gi in tournaments, they're vastly different sports. I just see no reason to waste time learning techniques in the gi that are irrelevant in the cage. I'm surprised it's such a contentious topic tbh.. seems like common sense.
Tony Ferguson is the type of guy to wear a black belt as a tie.
Never competed in cage fighting, BJJ tournament, wrestling match, kickboxing, boxing or anything so take what I say with a grain of salt. I think strength and conditioning is probably 15-25% in these combat sports depending on the situation and the athlete.
Do both! 🙄 more reps different looks. those work outs are functional running tire flipping.
Idk. I’d say no gi is more useful for mma , but gi also has some benefits. For Instance, in gi you have to be more aware, since there are more takedowns/submissions that can happen to you. Also from my experience gi is also pretty helpful when it comes to grip strength, since there is much more grip fighting , and it’s harder to get good positioning. No gi is better for mma though since mma fights are no gi. But it would be beneficial for mma fighters to train in the gi at least sometimes though.
I train 2 no gi’s and one gi aweek. My goal is to compete in mma, is that good?
Chael should host a new version of bully beat down
I dont know if you answer questions from the comments, but I would like to know your opinion on whether the unified rules of MMA that every promotion has more or less settled on for a long time now, is sufficient for exploring/contesting/showcasing the concept of MMA / all inclusive sport combat? Is there a place and hunger for a version of MMA with no gloves at all? an MMA where supportive aids like knee sleeves and kinesiotape is allowed? an MMA with a longer single round like early UFC? an MMA with radically different scoring targets (which would perhaps work well as an amateur less violent variant) such as scoring pins or a bunch of points for lifting your opponent off the ground or overhead for a number of seconds? It surprises me how little variety there is in MMA , especially at amateur level.
Love how chael ends his videos. So precise and to the point.
Chael “no tires in the octagon” Sonnen
Short answer: No
so you didn't watch the video lol
That thing about BJJ at a grass root level and only other brown and black belts being allowed to train with brown and black belts... that’s not true. At all. Ever. at least in my BJJ base I have for mma. I got my blue belt and I’ve been training with brown and black belts since I was a white belt. Helps me a lot with control for MMA
MMA fighters probably don't have a need to train in the gi; however, for people interested in using BJJ for self defense, they absolutely do need to train in the gi.
Knowing how to break grips is important for the *streetzz* , but if your attack game is reliant on holding on to the Gi, now that's a problem.
I train 2 no gi’s and one gi aweek. My goal is to compete in mma, is that good?
I appreciate this video I would like to add one perspective for anyone willing to chime in: The only reason I’m having the debate is because of time and resources. I’m a cop I am currently sacrificing to pay for two gyms (one is 10th planet because they have wrestling and No Gi the other is Alliance which only has Ms one no Gi day)for my son who is very passionate (at 10 lol ) about bjj. But he just asked to focus solely on No Gi, I am tempted to honor the request because it will also save money. The only Caveat is that because I work so much BJJ is kind of a bonding thing so I recently started going with him to Alliance. So I’m in a position where due to time and resources I’d have to choose and I’m wondering what kind of disadvantage he’s at if I let him do solely. No go and same for me
For those wondering, the 11 year old girl won.
Keep pumpin these vids out chael! Lovin em
why should they train in gi when they dont fight in gi?
You are right but didn't listen
You should train both
Steve Barnes Eddie bravo is a great grappler but has never fought in a cage. Brazilian and japanese have trained both
@@itsaccer7443 you shouldnt no point of training in gi
@@scotthafele5266 listen to what
85% of viewers clicking on this video: Wait what is gi again?
Having a little practice in a Gi doesn’t hurt but 100% not necessary.
I train 2 no gi’s and one gi aweek. My goal is to compete in mma, is that good?
I train both gi and no gi. I definitely see improvement in both from training in each. You just understand the positions better simply by working them differently. I think its valuable.
There's no pillow and bed in the octagon. LMFAO
I like your sleep analogy. I would extend it to other arts though. Why always train a watered down(not that No Gi is watered down, it's just not as specific to the art) version of an art just so that it fits within the theme of MMA.
Imagine saying it's dumb to train traditional Muay Thai over a Chute Boxe style because the stance isn't applicable to MMA. Or it's nonsense to train pure Boxing as a MMA fighter because there are no kicks.
No one talks ish about Sambo or Judo training as you are working on a very specific side of grappling skills. Skills that the athlete understands has limitations within the realm of MMA and therefor must meld into their game. Skills that would not be learned as deeply if done within the context of MMA alone. This is the same for Gi BJJ.
Chael's point about the Gi being easy to hold is half correct. Yes it is easier for you to grab and rest, but the factor he didn't consider is empathizing with the other combatant. If its easier for me in the moment, that means its harder for you. If you can escape an armbar or a lapel choke in the Gi, the escape in No Gi is trivial. If you can pass the guard in the Gi...
I prefer competing and hard training in No Gi, but I love the art within the Gi(ignoring the IBJJF silliness, good old fashioned Kron Gracie style Gi).
One comparison I like to make for my students is to take a world class artist, give them paint(No Gi), and then paint and a brush(Gi). Both paintings will be beautiful but one will surely be more intricate.
Love your videos Chael.
I can’t do no-hi everyday so I just go to the gi classes to get more experience on top on my no-gi classes (three times a week) and pretend I’m only in no gi and don’t use many gi grips.
Chael is OG Wan Ka-no-gi
Se here's my problem: Chael says there's a video on TH-cam of Jon Jones fighting an 11 yo girl and of course I want to see it, but I've been trolled by Mr.Sonnen into searching things that don't exist so many times now I'm actually scared.
Do people ever train with gi against someone without gi? Just a random question.
1:46 Just how fast is Chael Sonnen
I feel the Gi still has purpose in pure grappling/BJJ, but MMA is a mixture of styles and the Gi is the outfit of a particular style. Should MMA fighters wear Gi’s? No, but they should at least know what one is!
I saw a promo for Aussie Anderso vs Dumont ,and Dumont has on a red belt. could you give some details on ther fighting back round ? Thanks Chael
I usually cant stand Chael but I agree with him 100%
Training needs to be sports specific, simple! Fundamentals of S&C.
Would love to roll with Uncle chael one day gi or no gi
Training in the gi made my no gi better
What about for self-defence in street fights? Gi or no gi?
Both
Mr. Chale Cheal however the hell you spell your name.... Man I just want you to know I see thru your bullshit...... your good man you really are if you wasn’t I wouldn’t be commenting. Man you try so hard. You deserve it....... I’ve never commented on a TH-cam video in my life but you earned it. Keep it up brother
Thank you for this!
Gi refines defense and escapes, No Gi refines offense... that said if I was simply training for MMA I would do No Gi
training in GI is amazing for MMA and no gi. To me it's analogous to a swimmer training with pants and a jacket on. It would make you strong as fuck to train with that resistance on. Gi is the same, you feel like you're drowning.
You should train in what you compete in.
When I cook indian food I train with ghee.
Lol
I've heard, vegans do their paranthas No-Ghee.
Should you train swimming in water wings
If you have access to a no gi gym take advantage. If all the guys do around you is gi, train gi. It’s better than not training with people live, maybe let your instructor know your intentions to translate to mma, and maybe there will be a no gi day at least. On the street though it’s rare to fight a naked guy. Typical clothes are t shirt and jeans if not sweater and sweatpants. So gi in my opinion for street defence isn’t perfect but also isn’t useless.
But black belts can karate crop wood and know pressure points
English please?
gi is "more stretegic" than nogi? from which it would follow that judo is "more strategic" than wrestling (because wrestling is "nogi")...now that just sounds extremely doubtful...
Someone tell Rockhold there's no sleep in the octagon...
This video is a great amongst greats.
Always be sport specific. Gi training for mma is wasted trauning if the alternative is an equal amount of no gi training
10th planet Juijitsu of Edgy brah is No Gi.
Tony Ferguson with 10th Planet vs Khabib full UFC 249 can't wait ❤🔥🔥🔥
I did not know until now that uncle Chael was a black belt and BJJ
This shouldn’t surprise you at all
Chael" no tires in octogon "Sonnen
Gi is necessary. If you use brute strength whilst trapped in an armbar you may escape, but with a gi on you must use technique. The gi provides resistance and grip forcing you to put your strength some what to the side. A Gi is a training tool to master technique. Generally speaking a no gi fighter that trains in a gi is a more precise fighter.
Is that why wrestlers continue to dominate bjj guys?
@@pliskin13x Wrestling and mma share a similar approach. Bjj does lack some cohesiveness with mma, but this is partly because bjj is a long game strategy and wrestling is a shorter and more blunt approach. In a fight without rounds, bjj works better the longer the fight goes. Doing 8 minute rounds with wrestlers in bjj, the wrestlers don't last.
@@trendsettertilestone9602 maybe if the gi is involved, but I've never heard someone say wrestlers lack conditioning lol. The average high school wrestler has more mat time and matches than the average bjj guy will get with years of experience. Not to mention bjj tournaments can have like 3 guys in a weight division where you're guaranteed to win a medal even if you lose; in wrestling you can have a 12 man bracket to fight through in order to make it to the finals. Usually a tournament can go for over 2 days straight in wrestling. It's a lot more grueling to become a championship wrestler.
@@pliskin13x I'm not saying wrestlers aren't conditioned. I'll tell you this a bjj black belt match is 10 minutes and in that ten minutes gi or no gi, wrestlers have a more difficult time with open ended matches. Not because of conditioning but because of a lack of patience. Wrestlers I train against use a lot of setups followed by strength and fast follow through. If they don't catch me initially and I brave the storm a couple times, eventually I tap them or time runs out.I have total respect for wrestlers and I feel it's just a different discipline. To be clear, I think that wrestling is better in mma, and in a street fight wrestling is superior thanks to proper takedowns and quickness. Unless the fight goes long. Jiu-jitsu was built for the duration, I have not trained any mma but I do think a wrestling base does lead to a more rounded fighter. Jiu-jitsu guys tend to get bogged down in bjj and don't become a complete fighter.
@@trendsettertilestone9602 makes total sense! Bjj is definitely more effective once you're both exhausted and ground fighting, especially at that high level.
You should do both you can benefit from both
Major cut 1:47
Gi or no Gi?
Uncle Chael : Cage nap
There is need for strength, conditioning and cardio in an Octagon. There is no Gi in an Octagon. No Gi is the only way to do BJJ.
If Chael said so..
Only on Thursdays
Ben Askren famously using the sleep advantage in the octagon
If chael was a taxi. He'd never get to the destination
Literally no one:
Chael P. Sonnen: CONOR MCGREGOR
If chael has a bij lack belt then so do i
(Minotauro) No-Gi Era was decade ago.
so yes or no?