A. Schoenberg - Chamber Symphony No. 1, Op .9 (w/score)

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  • -Composer: Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951), composed in 1906
    -Director: Giuseppe Sinopoli
    -Orchestra: Sächsische Staatskapelle Dresden
    -Label: Teldec/Warner Classics
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  • @joaoleitao4699
    @joaoleitao4699 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Exposition/First Movement
    - Intro
    Cadence 1 (=slow intro.) | 1 | F major - 0:09
    Horn motto | 5 | Fourths - 0:22
    Cadence 2 | 8 | E major - 0:28
    - Exposition I
    Theme 1a | 10 | E major - 0:31
    Theme I/1b | 16 | E major - 0:40
    Theme I/2 | 32 | F major - 1:10
    Transition+cad.2 | 50 | cad. to E major - 1:48
    - Exposition II
    Theme 1a (=I/1a | 58 | E major - 2:04
    Theme II/1b | 68 | E major - 2:22
    Theme II/1c | 75 | F major - 2:40
    Theme II/2 | 84 | A major - 2:57/3:04
    Transition | 106 | F major - 4:21
    Codetta (based on II/2) | 113 | A major - 4:33
    Cadence 3 | 127 | A major - 4:58
    Formal/thematic function | b. | Initial or primary key area

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

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    • @soutteruk1
      @soutteruk1 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@christianweatherbroadcasting
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  • @porcinet1968
    @porcinet1968 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    amazingly accurate and well-tuned performance that really brings the piece together. lots of things I've not heard before revealed in this performance. very witty as well. i think the horns are magnificent when they are often a letdown in my other recordings.

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way to Heaven. We've all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins like lying, lusting, etc. Repent and trust only in Jesus, and you will be saved! You can be saved because he took the punishment for our sins on himself when he died on the cross, just like someone can pay your speeding fine in court, and you get off free.
      Romans 3:23
      John 3:16😊❤❤❤

  • @abundance6692
    @abundance6692 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This is a very fine performance of this difficult piece. Thanks for posting it. Also, thanks for the score, too!

  • @simonkawasaki4229
    @simonkawasaki4229 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Gorgeous, simply gorgeous!!!!

  • @BenjaminStaern
    @BenjaminStaern 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    11:21, one of the favorite places in this chamber symphony!

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way to Heaven. We've all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins like lying, lusting, etc. Repent and trust only in Jesus, and you will be saved! You can be saved because he took the punishment for our sins on himself when he died on the cross, just like someone can pay your speeding fine in court, and you get off free.
      Romans 3:23
      John 3:16❤😊❤

  • @stueystuey1962
    @stueystuey1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good lord. Magnificent performance. Maybe the first work of "modern" music that i listened to that I was fairly certain it was different than everything that had come before. Trying to remember back - this would be the late 80's-ish it is hard to remember what i purchased in what order. What i listened to; whether i was able to get into it and feel a vibe etc...in my bones, which is to say viscerally, this particular work stands out in my memory as one i listened to from beginning to end and was conscious of a deep appreciation whilst also recognizing that there were no other works i was familiar with of a simiar structure, use of chromatics, harmony, rythym and dsitribution of the orchestral parts.

    • @MutantsInDisguise
      @MutantsInDisguise ปีที่แล้ว

      The nihilist postmo child addict to quoting everything to fill their very meaningless life.

  • @NovicebutPassionate
    @NovicebutPassionate 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Out of nearly 30,000 views, only 300 likes. An average of 1 person out of 100 liked this masterpiece. How is that even possible!!!????

    • @JohnBorstlap
      @JohnBorstlap 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's mentally challenging music, and dense with musical meaning and expression. It is a lot to take in and many people simply don't have the patience.

    • @robertallen6710
      @robertallen6710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not really an accurate representation of actual 'likes'...some are lazy, some unobservant, some ignorant...

    • @stueystuey1962
      @stueystuey1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As the other commentors point out, it is not certain what a like represents in context. Be that as it may, Schoenberg by and large is not embraced by most listeners. Atonality is a tough listen for most even though the devotees take Sch as the starting point not the be all end all of modern music. Carter, Babbitt, Maderna, fughetaboudit.

    • @bateriaeletronica
      @bateriaeletronica ปีที่แล้ว

      Not many people listen enough times to understand the music. I myself just listen more than 20 times before start understanding. I know I am slow.

  • @glaucon7337
    @glaucon7337 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Schoenberg's pre serial masterpiece.

    • @cptetc3772
      @cptetc3772 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is 1906-he didn't write serial music until 1923 (with some dabblings in 1921.) His pieces from 1909-1923 did not use 12-tone serialism, they were just expressionist: this includes some of his most well-known post-tonal works such as Book of the Hanging Gardens, 5 pieces for orchestra, Pierrot Lunaire, 3 Piano Pieces, etc. His piece right after this, String Quartet No. 2, is his transition from Late Romanticism into Expressionism (and it is beautiful incredible!)

    • @glaucon7337
      @glaucon7337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cptetc3772 I used pre-serial precisely to not use vague terms as "expressionist" which allude to non musical artistic movements and do not describe the music itself or the process which the composer used to write it.
      Pre-serial here simply means "free atonality" due to the way Schoenberg treated both the "horizontal" and "vertical" aspects of musical material. In this period Schoenberg wrote atonal music with an ever increasing tendency of make intervals the essence of development and thematic identity.
      Post-tonal would be inaccurate due to the lack of tonal structures and centers in the piece and more fitting to the music around Op. 4.
      Regardless, this period of his music is quite special for me although I like his serial work too.

  • @takingiteasy17
    @takingiteasy17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A masterpiece.

  • @mikesimpson3207
    @mikesimpson3207 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Such a lively and restless piece. That intro to the slow section with the bass and viola playing harmonics is especially magical.
    I wonder why the title page says "E flat major" when it's in E major. Can't be a typo, cuz it says the same thing in 3 languages there.

    • @premanadi
      @premanadi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed, that's bizarre! Someone must have made a mistake in one language, and then translated it into the other two.

  • @matteoblanchard963
    @matteoblanchard963 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    merci monsieur courtot ...

  • @jameshelgeson4668
    @jameshelgeson4668 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's amazing that the study score title page has the key wrong! Great performance.

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way to Heaven. We've all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins like lying, lusting, etc. Repent and trust only in Jesus, and you will be saved! You can be saved because he took the punishment for our sins on himself when he died on the cross, just like someone can pay your speeding fine in court, and you get off free.
      Romans 3:23
      John 3:16😊❤

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way to Heaven. We've all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins like lying, lusting, etc. Repent and trust only in Jesus, and you will be saved! You can be saved because he took the punishment for our sins on himself when he died on the cross, just like someone can pay your speeding fine in court, and you get off free.
      Romans 3:23
      John 3:16❤😊❤

  • @ALB842011
    @ALB842011 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Stefan Çapaliku

  • @saltwatertaffy843
    @saltwatertaffy843 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    余りに調整がとれてて素晴らしい。

  • @jeremiahsalyer7784
    @jeremiahsalyer7784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Funny how you hate it as a kid. Love it as an adult. Maybe it reflects the uncertainties you feel the more you know about life making you realize paradoxicly you know less.

    • @segmentsAndCurves
      @segmentsAndCurves 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't hate it.

    • @mahler151
      @mahler151 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm here listening again as the latest part of my journey with this piece, which has been largely characterized by an overwhelming ambivalence. When I grew mature enough to actually approach Schoenberg there was something about this symphony that aversed me - perhaps my own still at large aversion to chamber music. After getting over my Schoenberg obsession & relinquishing him to something of the occasional-listen category, I still largely felt somewhat disdainful of this symphony. That brings us to now: as with much of Schoenberg's "more tonal" music, it's too busy for me. Like a taxi zipping by before I can get in. I don't expect you to read this or respond, but food for thought when it comes to this (for me) bewildering piece.

    • @stacey_1111rh
      @stacey_1111rh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah

    • @GarGlingT
      @GarGlingT 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is like a child felt, no this is nothingness.

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way to Heaven. We've all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins like lying, lusting, etc. Repent and trust only in Jesus, and you will be saved! You can be saved because he took the punishment for our sins on himself when he died on the cross, just like someone can pay your speeding fine in court, and you get off free.
      Romans 3:23
      John 3:16😊❤❤❤

  • @didierschein8515
    @didierschein8515 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you fort the score.

  • @contemporaryclassical9277
    @contemporaryclassical9277 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Terrific piece. Now, I'm a bit thick musicologically, but can anyone explain why the piece is described as in Eb, when it begins and ends in E major, and not much of it seems to be in E flat at all?

    • @mediolanumhibernicus3353
      @mediolanumhibernicus3353 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s an excellent question. I can’t think why on earth this is .
      Very strange. Could it possibly be a mega-misprint?

    • @Vanium_G5
      @Vanium_G5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      huge misprint; it is in e major and im not sure where they got the e flat from.
      maybe you're talking about his kammersymphonie 2? that's in e flat minor

  • @TheRE4Player
    @TheRE4Player 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have just started to do this score-video kkkkk.
    Thanks for save me work !!!

  • @nvartandreassian8037
    @nvartandreassian8037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    there is a version by Webern for 5 instruments

  • @segmentsAndCurves
    @segmentsAndCurves 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Schoenberg's last effort of stretching tonality, for anything after this is cast into history!

    • @machida5114
      @machida5114 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      so good... 🙂

    • @ahoimeboy6063
      @ahoimeboy6063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@machida5114 so good ..

    • @Vanium_G5
      @Vanium_G5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      we gonna ignore the second string quartet?? maybe even the kammersymphonie 2 or his op 43??

    • @machida5114
      @machida5114 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Vanium_G5 From op.10, the full-scale stepping into the atonal era began, so op.9 can be said to be the last of the tonal era.

    • @Vanium_G5
      @Vanium_G5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@machida5114 fair point but i wouldnt consider it atonal either
      that being said i understand where you're coming from

  • @musicfriendly12
    @musicfriendly12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Holy jesus, that horn part looks so fun to play... I'd rather play this horn part than Mahler or Brahms... So good writing for the instruments...

    • @antonrosenfeld735
      @antonrosenfeld735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can definitely recommend the horn part if you get a chance. Non stop fun and beautiful music!

  • @markbosch7378
    @markbosch7378 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i loooove 21:10 aaaaaaah

    • @markbosch7378
      @markbosch7378 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and 1:10 mmmmmlsdfklsmdfalwmkef

  • @komkam808
    @komkam808 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love 14:00

  • @user-lc4eb5mm3g
    @user-lc4eb5mm3g 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    reference: 4:38

  • @zyoung1127
    @zyoung1127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:25

  • @samson18
    @samson18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    11:30

    • @luxdico
      @luxdico 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Trans Europa Express

  • @agramsci7976
    @agramsci7976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Promethean and indispensable.

  • @Mr_Q.6161
    @Mr_Q.6161 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ホルンすごすぎん!?

  • @GaryLachman
    @GaryLachman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Romanticism become neurotic.

    • @segmentsAndCurves
      @segmentsAndCurves 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not
      yet

    • @littlemarmoset
      @littlemarmoset ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like this characterization. A sort of Romantic neurasthenia indeed.

    • @stueystuey1962
      @stueystuey1962 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Perhaps but masterpiece does it more justice. The piano pieces op 11, which came shortly thereafter was a game changer. This piece is well on the way to modernity. Brahms, Mahler and everything that mattered are wrapped up here in a tight knit masterpiece.

    • @GaryLachman
      @GaryLachman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A masterpiece without doubt. Still, there is a morbid air about it, one that we find in other products of the time, say, in Kafka. @@stueystuey1962

  • @isaiasramosgarcia9771
    @isaiasramosgarcia9771 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is not yet serial

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He called MOzart and Bach and said: look guy, take these steroids here...

  • @texwiller4029
    @texwiller4029 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This makes a lot of sense. Just tried to listen to Bruckner symphonies 6,7,8... nothing, they are just structures!

  • @tomraspanti2755
    @tomraspanti2755 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Wow what a beautiful work. A challenging listen for sure, but lovely

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way to Heaven. We've all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins like lying, lusting, etc. Repent and trust only in Jesus, and you will be saved! You can be saved because he took the punishment for our sins on himself when he died on the cross, just like someone can pay your speeding fine in court, and you get off free.
      Romans 3:23
      John 3:16❤😊

  • @gabrielkaz5250
    @gabrielkaz5250 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    11:28

  • @Eva11092
    @Eva11092 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:27 ГП
    2:23 СП
    3:05 ПП
    4:20 ЗП
    • Adagio начало вступления 11:27
    • Тема Adagio 12:54
    16:35 СП в начале репризы
    17:07 ПП в репризе
    18:08 ГП в репризе
    19:07 тема из Adagio

    • @christianweatherbroadcasting
      @christianweatherbroadcasting 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way to Heaven. We've all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins like lying, lusting, etc. Repent and trust only in Jesus, and you will be saved! You can be saved because he took the punishment for our sins on himself when he died on the cross, just like someone can pay your speeding fine in court, and you get off free.
      Romans 3:23
      John 3:16

  • @Twentythousandlps
    @Twentythousandlps 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is a passage of slightly out-of-control polyphony in the Mahler 9 opening movement that I think he got from knowing this piece - not actual notes, just this idea.

    • @stueystuey1962
      @stueystuey1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hear Mahler's 3rd more than the 9th. I beg some of the musicolgists to weigh in. Gerard?
      He (Sch) is in full flight from the emotional world of post-Romanticism and heading toward abstract expressionism ala Kandinsky to wildly and likely inaccurztely mixing metaphors on my part.

  • @Examantel
    @Examantel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A lot of thematic similarities to his first string quartet.

    • @JorgeMorales-fv5cl
      @JorgeMorales-fv5cl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly, including the same anxiety in annoying high pitches and the lost of direction and real inventiveness as the work progresses further than necessary.

  • @aloysioneves
    @aloysioneves 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantástico!

  • @machida5114
    @machida5114 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sodelicious... 🙂

  • @carmeloarandarodriguez990
    @carmeloarandarodriguez990 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks.

  • @JesusSanAgustin
    @JesusSanAgustin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😇✨✨Thanks1000🙏💐💫

  • @ludens5129
    @ludens5129 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tense and interesting.

  • @giovannimaccarini9854
    @giovannimaccarini9854 ปีที่แล้ว

    16:55

  • @texwiller4029
    @texwiller4029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Easier to follow than music of Alban Berg.

    • @Alix777.
      @Alix777. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No dodecaphonism yet

    • @texwiller4029
      @texwiller4029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Alix777. I forgot that thanks. Pierrot Lunaire is also understandable. He started serialism in 1921. (Have to stop time travelling and reading Kurt Vonnegut.)

    • @MutantsInDisguise
      @MutantsInDisguise ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@texwiller4029sure, pal, sure.

  • @lenpey
    @lenpey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this the Webern arrangement?

    • @JohnBorstlap
      @JohnBorstlap 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No, it is the original version. Schoenberg made an orchestral version later-on but that does not work so well.