Jhin... we are yet to witness such a great champion design ever since his release. His teaser was simple, but very effective. This Seraphine stuff just looks very flashy but devoid of any actual essence.
Sounds like every content creator. Some do it for the art and fun or just to climb to challenger and talk about guides while others do it for money because they're narcissistic.
Actually, at first when league presented Yone, I thought that it would be a shit. However, I played yesterday and it is really a champion made out of love. I am really happy that Riot still doing champions with love, but it is not about Seraphine
It's funny because you'll be having a pretty chill game, with one of our friends giving advice to me on how to play better... And then you hear the "FUUUUCKKK YOUUUUUU SERAPHINEEEE!" being screamed down the mic over the rest of us 😂
@@sennap7109 Gotta remember the reason people disliked her was that she was too disney and that annoying bubble. The community was used to getting chaos, destruction and champions suffering from some kind of horrible fate and then boom; Riot gives us this kid who flies around calling Asol a space doggo. Looking at her lore however, you see she's essentially the Loki of Mount Targon and her personality and mannerisms make more sense.
harm? its just a game, if you dont like her dont play her wtf is wrong with you.... there are players who like seraphine, i love her but the platform is really dumb looking, if she walked she would be so much prettier league cant be only full of guys and manly girls (illaoi, samira) like give some girlish champs too we only have lux and zoe.... while you have yasuo, darius, garen, yone, lee sin, yi etc. like wtf is your problem....
@@uwu_geisha3066 Hi, it’s been a month. I actually don’t care that much about Seraphine’s kit and all that. My comment was simply an idea that came to my head, and that idea was what if Riot had another virtual musician similar to KDA but instead of a group it’s a solo act? Also when I said “no harm,” I was talking about the idea I thought of, not Seraphine. I sincerely apologize if you failed to comprehend my comment right away
@@uwu_geisha3066 Stupid take imo The point being is most of the monster characters are being tossed away and left in the dirt while Riot continues to favor sexy anime bait characters like Seraphine because of the Asian market.
Also on the lore, although Seraphine's parents were "poor" and from Zaun, and with Piltover famously not wanting the Zaunites to ever come to the surface...she just migrated to Piltover. And although her parents were poor, they bought her a hextech crystal. And then they built her a platform. And then she's famous in both Zaun and Piltover. Where does any of that follow? Never once in her lore did she mention singing, aside from "hearing other peoples' songs. And every issue she had was solved by her "poor" parents who are never given any characterization, even though they are more important to her lore than she is! She's like a completely passive side character in her own lore, outside of the final sentence that just proclaims she's suddenly famous. Like. Come on. At least give us something about the song(s) she sings that simultaneously appeals to both Piltovans and Zaunites. Maybe something about the Zaun guardian spirit/goddess, Janna. A brief snippet to justify her popularity would be all that's needed.
Like her covers, seraphine should’ve at least have her own song like Jinx music video. So that way when she cast her ultimate she can quote her lyrics instead of “OUUUUUOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!””
This is the most awkward and misplaced champ in the game. Literally just tossing the high fantasy feel and design for most league champs out for cashing on kpop dollars lmao
Imagine having a popstar character that is trying her best to spread the word about the brackerns and their soul crystal. To fight the nature of the abuse from piltover and save potentially hundreds of thousands of sentient beings. Instead... SeERaPhIne: eNErGY gOEOs BBbrBRbBRBRRRRRrrRRRRRrRRr
The audacity of Seraphine having an Ultimate skin, just for a collaboration instead of the original 4 members is so frustrating. It doesn't even feel an ultimate, more like 3 Legendaries. I'd rather have Legendaries for each K/DA members and only Epic for her.
"the audacity" like Seraphine is a real person who is blackmaling Riot to give her all the skins lol its Just a fictional character, Riot is a company and they need to make money, she Will sell... A lot... Doesnt matter if all of you are mad at a character for no reason
Seraphine: "Hey Skarner, wanna hear your people's song?" Skarner: "I hear their song better than you and it's a scream of anguish as you exploit their soils for fame and profit!"
@@rhinoplug5491 exactly. A producent. Dj. The Head of the band. The person that makes the beats and plays the guitar,supporting the band like a drummer in a band does. Thats what sona is about. I guess they just used yasuo to be a dj so they dont wanna repeat it but holy fuck yasuo completely doesnt match to be a dj. Like why lmao. He Has no gameplay or story themes to be a dj. Sona does. Why did they make a champ out of it. Seraphine looks so akward just flying on a platform.
@@ravebae are Pentakill, DJ Sona and KDA in the same universe? I mean I'm sure DJ and KDA are but Penta, not sure, still an artist can have so many alteregos and personas to try new genres and I'm sure Sona would be one to do that in that universe
The problem is not that she's a copy of Sona, it's that she's an upgrade of Sona. Sona suffers from a similar problem of a lot of older champions in that her kit is very subtle and way too dependent on her ult to make an impact. Just because a few abilities are different doesn't make Seraphine unlike a VGU, because her kit seems like a reimagining of Sona into something that is more engaged in the fight. The final nail in the coffin is that her character design, that of an ethereal floating musical woman is so similar.
actually her kit seems more similar to Neeko's than sona's, sona is the better support and has short range while Seraphine is more of a wave clear and poke mage, Seraphine honestly does better playing mid than she does playing support as her Q can accidentally steal your adc's farm.
This, instead of giving Sona a desperately needed rework kit wise. This only seems to make her redundant. It helps that Seraphine's lore is not all that fitting to begin with so it only begs the question more, "Why attach this kit that is basically an improved Sona kit, to a newly designed champion that seems hastily thought out at best. While you could have just, y'know? Given it to Sona, she's right there already in need of an upgrade".
I'm pretty sure the community is tired of seeing Disney like characters every release and seeing riot stray further away from the mood and overall a esthetic of the game that kept the community there
@Damani Campbell ..? Just an obseration my guy. I didn't even say you were wrong, but if you wanna get mad for like no reason, thank you for proving my point! xoxo
-Doesn't deserve an Ultimate, it should've been 3 separate launch skins -Riot clearly only focused on her KDA lore, and tried to shoehorn her into Runeterra -The voice doesn't match the face, and most of her line deliveries are just... *c r i n g e* -She doesn't even *LOOK* like she's from Piltover/Zaun on her default skin, and instead looks like Star Guardian. So she got a Star Guardian skin for *free.* Personally, I have nothing against duplicate champion kits or themes. Lux/Morgana & Diana/Leona have basically the same kit, Annie & Brand are both pyromancers in the most literal sense, so why NOT have another musician? It's not like music isn't a thing in Runeterra. But the problem was execution. Last year, they said "we have plans to make next year's worlds the biggest yet." in their BTS video of setting up last year's worlds, meaning they already knew they were going to have Seraphine. They only cared about bringing back KDA, cause it was stupid successful. So at most, let's be generous and say a year and a half of prep to get her lore until they started releasing her soundcloud & twitter stuff. They spread themselves too thin! There's no way you can get everything set up that quickly; run feedback tests, record her music, build her model, hold auditions for both her singing voice & in-game voice, create all the art, the VFX, the SFX, bug test, balance test, the 5-set comic series, and the two separate lore without something suffering. Something had to be rushed, and to a lot of fans, that was the voicelines, the in-game model, the design choices for default in general, and the in-game lore. And that last one betrays the core fanbase a lot. [[EDIT: Getting a lot of repeat questions about the Diana/Leona bit, and since no one wants to read all the comments (don't blame you), here we go. Diana & Leona both have dives, both have a survivability ability that does damage for some reason, have passives involving light that need to be proc'd to utilize their kits to the fullest extent, have multiple ways to stick to their opponent, and have an AoE ultimate that keeps multiple targets from running. (And yes, I do know Diana ulti was originally the dive, but I'm talking about now and not release) And if you can't see that it's the same kit just with different focuses on numbers & team role, then I'm sorry but you're in denial. Also I'm *NOT* complaining that it's a bad thing, cause it's like the Yin/Yang thing with each other since launch, and I find that pretty awesome!]]
Thank you for summarizing everything so clear and well my guy... It's really sad that they didn't think about this, as if we would swallow it. Thanks God people are opening their eyes ..
For the lore, I would have loved if she became some sort of a conservationist, who advocates to save the dying out Brackern species. Like maybe she met Skarner somehow, and he told her what these hextcch crystal really are, so she tries to spread the word to the people of Piltover and Zaun. Scratch the hover board idea completely, and make her a character who is aware of what hextech is, and is trying to put an end to its use, for Skarner's sake. Would have been alot better than just generic, bubbly kpop star character.
I'd be okay with riot pulling a curve ball on us and making her a manipulative sociopath. Like the whole empathy and caring thing could be an act and she's only doing it to further her well being. I mean that's already how it seems since she knows about the hextech crystals and doesn't seem to care.
I thought lillia's walking was annoying, but now i'll be able to get killed by a T-pose gliding kpop champion :) thank you riot, you never cease to amaze me!
At least Samira has decent lore and Yone probably has the more interesting lore because it talks about demons but Seraphine's lore is comparable to like 2009 lore when League was just a small game. (ughh that bad Lee Sin and Nunu lore flashbacks)
Yeah, I remember when I watched one of Necrit's vids where he talked about the old lore. Even now it cracks me up when I hear Nidalee's 'she did just that' 😂
"we kept the platform to keep her look distinct from other female mages in the game" damn. instead of that maybe you could...not...make her look like every other female mage in the game?
Playerbase: we just want an ornn skin and new reworks for old champions. Riot: hehe, here you have new K/DA member that is also a playable champion who has totally unoriginal skills :---D
@@N3207H05 Hell no. This is a mage-ish kit not a support! This kit lack Sona's buffing aura which made her famous back then for Sona mains. Too selfish too give kills and far more Rengar-ish passive than Sona and a Corki-ish nerfed 1st. " Her passive works well with allies." Yeah, *for getting her kills that is*. It has not benefits to allies at all compared to Sona's which grant as many debuffs as her buffs. "At least she can double cast." Yeah right, like button mashing wasn't enough for full CDR Sona. Though ability haste is really different than CDR back then bit that fact still remains. "Her Ult-" Her ult may be better but again it heightens the chance to misplace the ability shot from their previous position by "accident". A complete waste of attract skill shot to be honest. Very fun "support" right?
because it’s not an actual ultimate skin, it’s just marketed as one because it’s legit just a skin bundle. i refuse to count it as an ultimate skin because it doesnt change forms in game, riot really fucked this up
@@imveryanxious the last year we didn't get a new Ultimate skin because of they working on one wich Will be completely better. Aaannnd.... We hoy 3 legendaries
they calling her kpop only cuz she is in kda which has 2 koreans, and no one wants her there, koreans hate chinese, koreans players are asking why is she in KDA anyways, and she isnt really kpop cuz kpop is an indutry in which u need to pass year of trainee, and i dont even know why they added her in KDA i hope she aint permanent member tho, + her chinese voice on music doesnt even match the voices of the others
@@chen2789 i said the only 2 KOREAN SINGERS are kpop, and koreans are chinese ppl hate each other bcs China is with North Korea and South koreans do not like it and recently there has been problems with China and SK abt politics and economy as China wanted to ban SK products over a speech that explained South Korean and North Korean war in which China doesn't want to be seen as a villain for being in NK. Anyways KPOP is a industry meaning only the ppl that passed the training system of kpop and kpop idols meaning only Soyeon and Miyeon from Gidle that are the voices of the 2 characters in KDA are actually kpop and if u didnt know in KDA there are 2 koreans
Idk why they didn’t give the ultimate skin to anybody else on the group who is more deserving, like maybe take away kaisa’s prestige skin which isn’t even good and give it to a normal skin for seraphine and give kaisa an ultimate skin
You Know What You’re Right. Why Does Seraphine Get Special Treatment? Riot Obviously Had A Cash Grab In Mind When Making All Of This Promotional Content For Her. From Twitter To Her KDA Collab. It Kinda Overshadows The Real Stars, KDA Themselves.
@The Meaning is Always Vague Kaisa has 2 decent skins. One is her championship skin and the other is her base. Bullet angel is okay but looks kinda off at certain angles. All of her other skins are pretty meh for an adc being either jokey like arcade or K/DA. Counting Prestige skins half her skins are K/DA. Most people would rather have her original prestige over the new one as well with how jank it looks.
@@mel1723 I mean they do share similarities as pointed out by pro guides I understand both champs are not identical but it is worrying that both of the champs have the same utility in their kits one way or another
@@batuhanyldz2835 it is AP Darius. Passive: Damage overtime Q - aoe dmg but extra dmg in special cases E - penetration and hook R - Another tool to get rid of jungler
I mean u forget that seraphine auto boosted passive is also sona's Q passive but better since it's increase the auto range , and that seraphines W does litteraly Sona W & E combined
lmao don't forget that Seraphine Ult or Passive+E is basically Sona ult she has literally - and i am not even exaggerating - EVERY SINGLE Sona ability in her kit everything sona can do, seraphine will be able to do aswell + some additional crap
@@daktotathecolossus7404 her q passive is there. The only part she doesn't have is the automatic damage, but she also has her regular q which is damage anyway.
They could have at least made her like a fancy olden times female performer. Like a Korean kinseng, Japanese geisha, or the Chinese version. The women who would mainly sell their skills and only be forced to sell their bodies to the most powerful of men. They could have made a in universe version of such a singer/dancer..would fit more in the universe/lore than this trash. Any Company with majority Chinese owned shares just turns into pure pandering trash. They just have too high of a population...too heavy of influence...The CCP has mastered the exploitation of the global economic/political system. Whichever USA/western power that thought "a free market capitalism with beneficial trade deals will lead to democracy, " was an absolute short sighted fool. Instead it has created an authoritarian super government that makes the monitoring and control of "1984", and the stranglehold over all money/theft and spying of the USSR look like kid's games. We would never give the USSR the ability to openly control / own vital companies... so why are we letting the CCP do it? Literally the CCP has been at full scale hybrid war against the world for over a decade. Read "STEALTH WAR:HOW CHINA TOOK OVER WHILE AMERICA'S ELITE SLEPT " Everytime I see something like this in gaming, movies, or sports (NBA hong kong drama), it makes me utterly terrified to imagine what is happening in the private sector or what spying theft is taking place against our governments/militaries. Huawei is able to dominate because all of their software and hardware is all stolen...no need to waste money on research/development...Then the CCP provides full support behind company because it is a great way to monitor their citizens and the rest of the world All the 5g conspiracies miss the main point..whomever control's the 5g towers, will control the world. Like a modern day version of a space race phenomenon, but with data and surveillance. People should really be afraid. Especially with the genius propaganda..."if you criticize the CCP government, you are hating on China and are racist."...while people would never think "if you criticize the usa government, you hate all Americans." Just pure genius propaganda. All the so called "Confuciust Institutes" on so many USA campuses...which are basically little branches of the CCP's version of the CIA/mossad/MI5/KGB, but they are allowed to openly operate on campuses around the world. Is it because we underestimate the CCP? Why is no one concerned about the "belt and road" initiative? If the CCP can have so much soft power to influence games and movies like this we should really open our eyes. It is fine if you dislike America or its government...but we have to realize that if we allow the CCP to take full power, our lives will be so much worse. If they are gonna pander with this champ. They could have at least done it well.
I agree with everyone who's saying that they focused more on her Twitter account, and K/DA integration more than they did on champion design and concept.
I like that lore of using the kind bubbly personality exploiting a whole race of peaceful skarners (it's actually very popstar-esque). Think about how the merchandise of real pop-stars is made by sweatshops then they go on tv giggle laugh and talk about how they care about everyone. Probably not what they meant to go for but it's kinda spot on.
Yeeah! I would love if she turned to be a villain, but on her lore, it never mentions this twisted reality..Im sure they didn't meant to do, and that makes her words funny as hell since she looks more like a psychopath than what they expected it would sound like. Sera is bad :( and this gets me sad.
@@VexDeePhilosophs It be great if they showed her the horrors the race faced and she looks at it and says that not true right my gem loves me and an audience looks at her and they all have this WTF we listening to her the it's reveal her fans don't love her it's just her device hypnotizes people and she un aware of this effect A villain who not aware she is THE RED RIDDING HOOD IN A WOLF COAT = Fire concept
@@tristancarter4324 this can go even further and get into mental ilness aspects. Or they could have included things in her lore, that she told her parents that her crystal is talking to her and they deemed her crazy. They could have made her escape an asylum with the crystal. Make her go to Skarner and try to give back the crystal, and then the crystal would decide to help her spread the story of the crystals in order to free them or something. Man there could have been so many possabilities to make her a literall hero for Skarner's race and just give her more depth as a character overall. They could have made her a crazy psycho and experimented with that, or make her a really good character by trying ot help the brackern. So many missed opportunities...
I absolutely love everything about her personality, design, skins, kit, and her part in KDA but her lore just felt so rushed and forced. Like you said, so much potential to connect her to other stories and riot failed, hopefully they can fix her lore somehow by tying her in somewhere
That question is a bit wrong. Any of old champions deserved Ultimate skin(hype for one of old champions always good) but Riot dogs makes it for non-unique champion. Holy tits, do they rly lack money so much? Im so confused.
I just relly hate her standing on a platform this looks so stupid and out of place... Edit: It's been 3 months now and I still haven't played a single game with/against her
we came from demons, kingslayers, assassins, merciless mages etc, to this fckn influencer... if at least she was somehow original, her abilies are just other champs abilities slightly improved and is just cringey uwu champ
I mean, Sona's a musician/mage, but she wasn't advertised in the cringy way like seraphine. Seraphine is made just for K/DA. I'm ok with adorable, cute and/or just beautiful characters, but seraphine just doesn't fit league.
@@theinsanityarc Sona is completely fine champ. Im also fine with champs like Neeko, shes little bit cringey but its good champ. Seraphine is just pure cringe, has everything possible in her kit and she kills Skarners family in lore to sing, by using his crystals... I just... hate her...
@@pripyatmafia3310 her lore is fucked up. She hears brackerns' vocies in the crystals and she goes like: "oh, cool, it'll help me with my singing". She just hears skarner's dead family and uses them as an entertainment .
That would be one option, but i think Riot would never discard everything they did (the twitter, the kda skin..that cost a lot of money) to do something better like this. Maybe they can rework her instead and apologize? But to be honest, i don't think Riot will care that much :(( ....sigh, after all, theyre earning from it still...
@@VexDeePhilosophs Yea you are right. I like your idea of reworking her and apologizing and maybe that happens in the future. I mean there is large group of people who dont like her, maybe riot sees this and changes something. I apologize for my bad english i hope u can understand what i mean
It would have been better for DJ Sona to open a Twitter and say sheb is taking a rest and wants to try something new, besides would be awesome to give her a way to talk by writing. And coming up with a feat. with KDA
I was just about to say. If Sona joined KDA, it’d be to be their pianist because she’s mute. I really think they would have reworked her and given her a KDA skin if she wasn’t mute. They wouldn’t have gone through all the trouble to make this champion. I used to be a Sona OTP and I can definitely say I’m a little frustrated with what Riot has done with this new champ, Seraphine.
Anyone else scared by the fact that Rito could give Sona the graves treatment? Lucian was released, kit too similiar to old graves. Graves get reworked. This might also happen to Sona
Thats scary as hell! ...that would probably kill her for the players who love her, but i don't doubt Riot would do such thing, because they'd rather change sona than change this new champion they prepared...sigh..
Old graves was the one that got reworked cause he also had a bad thematic dissonance... he was a shotgun wielder who used a grenade launcher instead. Assuming the same happens here (not guarenteed, the argument that she is in a different niche to Sona which might help avoid the issue... her being in the meta won’t immediately push Sona out of the meta and might actually be the opposite... sera Sona bot lane might be a thing) there is no guarentee Sona will be the one getting a rework (though that might not be a bad thing)
how was lucian any similar to graves lmao the only thing they really have/had in common is their dash on E the rest is and always has been different XD
I mean, Graves rework changed him into a jungler (after a few patches in top lane) and really set his theme as a shotgun wielder instead of his tommy gun. I wouldn't mind a Sona rework tbh, so long as her updated lore stays relevant to her character after her rework. But I do know what you mean.
Played her and honestly she feels like playing Sona but with more a middlaner focuse than support focused that is pretty much it, theme is same music based, both float, their kits are way to overlapping can't call them same but the similarities are endless they honestly fused sonas w and e into Sera's W they both boost basic attack with casting 3 spells I could go on.... For me honestly Sera came out from someones idea of a rework for Sona.
Which begs the question why they didn't just rework Sona in the first place, love her and her theme but honestly she is really showing her age. Seraphine feels like an attempt to make her obsolete.
We need originality!!! And monsters are usually unique in lol, since all his humans are usually hot generic girls (generalizing, of course) and badass or really cool men. (Its odd to try to put it in a nutshell, cause design things are very complex ^^' so..)
I want more void stuff, but riot gives absolute no fricks about it. Lets just hope the noxian support will be a something to redeem riot from this poopoo hole they made.
if you get one shot by seraphine congratulations for not being able to dodge a skill shot, you wanna talk about unfair champs? how about malazahar where his kit is mostly point and click
If you are playing as Seraphine and get stomped you can just play on the back of the back and just press R during a TF, the range is so absurd. and you will make a lot of difference.
@I have 6 balls now WTH do u mean by that am not being soft!!! It's just that why do u guys hate sera, if its cause of her style then leave it, I like it!!.
Its one . You buy it then you can choose between 2 skins before the game But its really missed up What im sad about that they clearly said in a previous video the ultimate skin would be for a marksman like Kaisa or Cait. But it was a lie
I think she's pretty cute and has cool abilities, but she feels more like a recycled idea and for money. If they would perhaps fix her character and design she'd be better rather that just a sona 2.0
I don't mind a pop star in Piltover - it's like most advanced region in runeterra. The issue is that it is impossible to manufacture freaking glitter for seraphine's dress in victorian age. She is so freaking out of place that I'm ok with Yuumi and Zoe being part of League
I always wondered what some of these more “real-life” human characters would do if they met some really powerful creature like Volibear, Aurelion Sol or Vel’Koz. Like, seriously, what the fuck would Seraphine do against a pissed off lightning-wielding Demigod?
I've been watching ProGuides for a while now and I'm constantly getting the impression that they're always exclusively on Riot's side on all matters. Does anybody else get this impression? Maybe I'm exaggerating or maybe this is a widely known thing already. The content is always trying to say something like "Yeah, Riot messed up, but that's ok! Keep playing anyway and forget about these mistakes" or helping Riot sell us stuff by saying "I can't wait to try this new skin on". It's hard to believe that they're giving us an unbiased opinion. The content doesn't feel truthful. About Seraphine. To me, it makes no sense for her to move around on a stage instead of just walking around. It feels weird. A champion that we associate with the real world having a floating stage. There are too many champions already. Just fix the buggy client and we'll be happy! Sorry for the long text
It's not too uncommon for a youtube channel that is based around one game to do that. It's because if they complain too much about it, then the players start to leave the game and their channel views go down. They want to keep their views up, so they try to hype up the game to keep people interested.
Riot than : hey this champion's concept is good but it doesn't fit in meta so let's rework him/her Riot now : hey this champion's concept is good but it doesn't fit in meta so let's take his /her concept and skills and create a new champion
Most hates are about seraphine’s voice and how annoying and stupid it sounds. That’s just a dumb reason, they’re basically hating and harassing a real person now.
Yeah, probably, but also, im glad they at least talked about it! Theyre a known channel, and maybe they convince people to come and criticize her and stop praising Sera so much, blindly! But at the same time, i dont think the word "hate" in the title is very nice ^^' It's like we are a bunch of people who only hate without understanding why she's bad...There are people who hate her but...She has potential! Its undeniable, but it was wasted, and threw into a goddamn trash bin..
Skarner is one of my mains. This showed me that Riot literally does not give a Twitch’s ass about monstrous champions like Skarner and the lore behind them is an afterthought. Its like they decided to say, here your monster who has been taken advantage of for years has someone who can be the catalyst for a horrifying reveal connected to Camille’s family, but naw, we Brackern are ok with being exploited. Combined with their portrayal of Sylas, I see they kinda don’t understand the implications of saying a minority should be fine with being exploited.
I expect a lore/voiceline rework in the coming years. Seraphine looked like a really cool concept, but too many things don't line up. Feels rushed to some extent.
Exactly! Even the new champion, Veigo's model (exact copy of Aphelios and skinnier Sett) looks like an edgy teen with 6 packs that can sell future skins. Im so done with Riot. Dota atleast has more diverse heroes, specifically monster types.
You know what would be funny (and probably interesting) is if Serapphine was a hidden villain :P Like keep the lore, have her hear the voices and make her have a connection with Skarner, but rather than inspiring everyone or helping out, she's a secret villain that exploited this. No one knows about the crystal's true origins aside from her and have her evil by having her INTENTIONALLY hide that from everyone and act like nothing is going on. Crazy! Buuuuuuuuuuut.... I think that wasn't the direction they were going for and well... then we have something completely off and wrong about her x.x
It's really visible the champion was made JUST to be a kda cash cow, bland and boring if you aren't in the whole kpop thing riot's going for every year at this point, what a flop and an absolute dissapointment.
Long rant: Even as a person who really likes Kpop, I probably wouldn't waste my money on getting her. I have been playing League of legends for only about two or three years now, so I might not know much about the development of a champion and the lore as a casual player, but it's so obvious that Seraphine is just a champion that is supposed to be a cash grab by Riot. You can tell that Riot is getting lazier and lazier with the new champions they are releasing. I can understand that it's not easy coming up with new champion designs, lore, personality, and unique champion kits. But to ignore the whole premise of what makes a League of legends champion a champion is just asking for backlash from the community that cares for the champions they play. Not all their newest champions are bad, but Seraphine might be the worst case so far of Riot running out of ideas. Her design is meh in my opinion and her kit just seems like a combination of Sona, Ahri, and Neeko. Her gameplay doesn't really look fun and it just looks like a poorer substitute for Sona mid. If she didnt float on that little hoverboard thingy and actually floated in the air like Zoe or just walked, then I probably wouldn't have disliked her design as much. The way her skin works is just annoying and the skins aren't even that good tbh. I feel bad for the Orin players who have to wait a long time just to get a new skin, while Seraphine is getting a ultimate skin on release. In Conclusion, she is just not that interesting of a champion and if Riot doesn't change anything about her to fit into the lore of League of legends, a lot of people wont find her interesting. Also, people, please stop harassing the singer and voice actress of Seraphine. If you don't like the champion, complain to Riot, not the voice actress or the singer.
A great rant, preach. Yeah, people complaining to the singer/voice for seraphine is just terrible. They didn't know anything. People really should just complain to Riot -_-. Really.
did you got yone? sett? samira??? idk whats your problem, its not like league has 120+ champs and you need to complain about her, if you ever played seraphine you would know how fun is to play her but no instead of trying her out you need to cry, yeet away luv 😒
@@uwu_geisha3066 She could be fun to play, yes. That's a subjective possibility. But it doesn't erase the fact that her design is lame in every conceivable way. She look like a kpop *skin* for a champ, not a full fledged one. She'll join Qiyana in the "everyone forgot this champ exists" club due to having similar problem: dull design and personality.
@@Polterg-Heist she looks really cool and shes pretty guys wont like her cause obviously every guy wants to play something reallyyyyy cool, not girly, tho girls will love her so theres no big of a problem, but if you wanna be honest, i really dont like her platform (skarners family), it has two reasons one is because of skarners family and second reason is it looks really dumb like some fancy plate, but i would still love to play her, its just a lore and its just a game if you wanna play her play, if you hate her dont even pick her
@@uwu_geisha3066 People care about this game, and as such, they will complain for if they don't, the developers won't have reason to do better, or worse encouraged to get lazier in their efforts. Not criticizing creates a precedent wherein the people who maintain this game might become indolent and by extension make the game worse. For those who care, it simply isn't enough to _ignore_ a problem.
A simple fix to Seraphine's lore, make her a Demacian mage. Turn her into a mage that hid her powers because "muh persecution" and eventually fled the city to try to live in peace. Keep the parts about her hearing the voices of all things but as a melody that she can't quite make out so that she can say to Skarner that he sounds familiar as opposed to just using his people's corpses as AAA batteries. Now she's a musical mage who's roaming the land to find a place she belongs and is becoming famous for singing in various towns and cities as a way to earn money. Bam, instantly justify her mistreatment of Skarner and give a reason for her rising pop star status
@@user-fh5gt8xo6s we will after they give another champ an ultimate skin not this piece of garbage that just came out and is just a more damage based sona that also can support a lot
Glad to see some critisism, the whole channel and your business runs on League so while it would be easy to simp for Riot, glad to see that isn't the case. Am I too optimistic to think that the massive amount of backlash would at least force Riot to make some small amount of change? Besides the glaring Sona 2.0 issue, it's as if the lore team saw the balance team getting ripped on everytime a new champ comes out and was like "hold my beer" we can piss off people too! Her look literally could be from the Starguardian universe or stepped out of some tween's closet in our modern times, it is jarring bad and stands out so, so bad if it's supposed to be from Piltover. Nothing about it looks Piltovian. It's quite obvious her Runeterran self was an afterthought and they had to link it to something and somebody who didn't think to check just went uh uhhh Skarner hasn't got much connection to anything, lets link them somehow, and 2 minutes later her lore was done. It's such a pisspoor effort on Riot's part and just reeks of her being made entirely for the purpose of drumming up social media hype and getting people interested in K/DA again and to sell skins. I could literally write a better lore for Seraphine in 10 minutes than whatever BS Riot has done. It really cheapens the brand and makes you less invested in the world they're trying to keep you in.
@@GianHT yeah, maybe ...I think pro guides tried to be "in the middle" you know? Just to not displease anyone. They're always quite like this,very impartial..
@@VexDeePhilosophs Do they? Because they happily rode the bandwagon into oblivion about prenerfs Yuumi and Aphelios, they always encouraged the hate towards those two because no income was on the line, with Seraphine? Well this time it's an ultimate skin we are talking about, siding with the players? Can't have that
They should just delete the champion, give her abilities to Sona and make a visual rework of said champion, that way they keep their K-Pop money AND the community happy.
“Only two musical champions in the game”
Bard: “Am I a joke to you?”
Bard over here crying in chimes...
wouldn't jhin count also? He is a performer after all and he constantly counts, which is kinda a fundamental of music and dancing.
Please no, then we will get the Yasuo 0/13 flute players.
"I am no murderer."
I would consider jhin an Artist
@@scottsteinbring8078 hahah true
Jhin was made out of love. Seraphine was made for money
True.. That's why Jhin is the embodiment of perfection and Seraphine a sack of shit ...
Jhin... we are yet to witness such a great champion design ever since his release. His teaser was simple, but very effective. This Seraphine stuff just looks very flashy but devoid of any actual essence.
Sounds like every content creator. Some do it for the art and fun or just to climb to challenger and talk about guides while others do it for money because they're narcissistic.
best way to put it
Actually, at first when league presented Yone, I thought that it would be a shit. However, I played yesterday and it is really a champion made out of love. I am really happy that Riot still doing champions with love, but it is not about Seraphine
One of my friends has a personal vendetta against her, and just goes and specifically hunts for Seraphine in any games we play together lol
Same with xayah and rakan
Oh good, just a few more of us, we can officially create a large group.
He is a true Hero
It's funny because you'll be having a pretty chill game, with one of our friends giving advice to me on how to play better... And then you hear the "FUUUUCKKK YOUUUUUU SERAPHINEEEE!" being screamed down the mic over the rest of us 😂
He's the hero we need but don't deserve.
Zoe: My Disney character design is fitting least into this world!
Seraphine: Hold my mic
At least zoe can say she is some cosmic being who can take any form she wants... seraphine though... cringe no matter what
At least zoe's clothes didn't feel like they skipped several centuries in design, having literal stars in her hair is also kinda cool ngl.
you see Zoe and you can imediatly tell she is from Targon, you watch Seraphine and basically you wouldnt know ever she is from Piltover
I genuenly love how ppl first hate zoe but now that there's a champion that makes less sense ppl change her to average
@@sennap7109 Gotta remember the reason people disliked her was that she was too disney and that annoying bubble. The community was used to getting chaos, destruction and champions suffering from some kind of horrible fate and then boom; Riot gives us this kid who flies around calling Asol a space doggo. Looking at her lore however, you see she's essentially the Loki of Mount Targon and her personality and mannerisms make more sense.
So we had golems, worriors, fallen emperors, death itself, literal angels and gods... And now?... Belle Delphine?
It's like Bell Delphine self inserted herself into League of Legends.
Aleyna tilki
@@lewojr xD
@@zamanyolcusu6514 :D
I dont play LoL but its pretty funny
Seraphine should’ve been a virtual musician for the Riot music team. That would’ve been a great concept with absolutely no harm to the game.
harm? its just a game, if you dont like her dont play her wtf is wrong with you.... there are players who like seraphine, i love her but the platform is really dumb looking, if she walked she would be so much prettier
league cant be only full of guys and manly girls (illaoi, samira) like give some girlish champs too we only have lux and zoe.... while you have yasuo, darius, garen, yone, lee sin, yi etc. like wtf is your problem....
@@uwu_geisha3066 ikr? People get so offended with fictional characters, I never understood
@@uwu_geisha3066 Hi, it’s been a month. I actually don’t care that much about Seraphine’s kit and all that. My comment was simply an idea that came to my head, and that idea was what if Riot had another virtual musician similar to KDA but instead of a group it’s a solo act? Also when I said “no harm,” I was talking about the idea I thought of, not Seraphine. I sincerely apologize if you failed to comprehend my comment right away
@@uwu_geisha3066 E X A C T L Y
@@uwu_geisha3066 Stupid take imo The point being is most of the monster characters are being tossed away and left in the dirt while Riot continues to favor sexy anime bait characters like Seraphine because of the Asian market.
Also on the lore, although Seraphine's parents were "poor" and from Zaun, and with Piltover famously not wanting the Zaunites to ever come to the surface...she just migrated to Piltover.
And although her parents were poor, they bought her a hextech crystal. And then they built her a platform. And then she's famous in both Zaun and Piltover.
Where does any of that follow? Never once in her lore did she mention singing, aside from "hearing other peoples' songs. And every issue she had was solved by her "poor" parents who are never given any characterization, even though they are more important to her lore than she is! She's like a completely passive side character in her own lore, outside of the final sentence that just proclaims she's suddenly famous.
Like. Come on. At least give us something about the song(s) she sings that simultaneously appeals to both Piltovans and Zaunites. Maybe something about the Zaun guardian spirit/goddess, Janna. A brief snippet to justify her popularity would be all that's needed.
Like her covers, seraphine should’ve at least have her own song like Jinx music video. So that way when she cast her ultimate she can quote her lyrics instead of “OUUUUUOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!””
@Wasabi Lover oh, I’m talking about the classic. Riot invested waaay too much over her KDA part
Ooof I had a same thought here
Hahaha ikr! Riot should just delete seraphine.. Who the hell wrote her character maybe I can give that fool some advice 😂
imagine being a side character in your own life. Thats gotta suck.
This is the most awkward and misplaced champ in the game. Literally just tossing the high fantasy feel and design for most league champs out for cashing on kpop dollars lmao
Yeah 2009 is have a fierce face of warriors, spooky monsters and some goddess and now we've got popstar that will crash the all race (-_-)
@@ritsu8911 league always had more than warriors and incel champions sorry to disappoint you
@@theo1189 I don’t think you know what incel means
How to get people simp for a game characters
@@ohok7267 i very much do ty
Imagine having a popstar character that is trying her best to spread the word about the brackerns and their soul crystal. To fight the nature of the abuse from piltover and save potentially hundreds of thousands of sentient beings.
Instead...
SeERaPhIne: eNErGY gOEOs BBbrBRbBRBRRRRRrrRRRRRrRRr
Seraphine was made just to chash out on kda, CHANGE MY MIND
That is impossible sir..
U are absolutely right
Correct.
Ahri is the only legit kda member change my mind.
@@SmickyD I mean Evelynn is there
The audacity of Seraphine having an Ultimate skin, just for a collaboration instead of the original 4 members is so frustrating. It doesn't even feel an ultimate, more like 3 Legendaries. I'd rather have Legendaries for each K/DA members and only Epic for her.
I'd rather die
u mean 3 epic skin
They wont make ingame transforming skins anymore since they have to load like 5-10 models and VFX for 1 champ. It lags everyone.
"the audacity" like Seraphine is a real person who is blackmaling Riot to give her all the skins lol its Just a fictional character, Riot is a company and they need to make money, she Will sell... A lot... Doesnt matter if all of you are mad at a character for no reason
1 legendary and 2 slightly better chromas
Seraphine: "Hey Skarner, wanna hear your people's song?"
Skarner: "I hear their song better than you and it's a scream of anguish as you exploit their soils for fame and profit!"
I like the idea that Seraphine is actually a selfish bitch who exploits their souls for fun and profit.
Kinda sounds like riot's policy
well understandable
She could have been such an insane sona skin
When i first saw KDA i was just like: "hey, why sona isn't there?", and now rito fucks it up even more.
Especially when you consider all 4 kda sing. Why not have a freaking dj who thinks of the beats. Fools
@@rhinoplug5491 exactly. A producent. Dj. The Head of the band. The person that makes the beats and plays the guitar,supporting the band like a drummer in a band does. Thats what sona is about. I guess they just used yasuo to be a dj so they dont wanna repeat it but holy fuck yasuo completely doesnt match to be a dj. Like why lmao. He Has no gameplay or story themes to be a dj. Sona does. Why did they make a champ out of it. Seraphine looks so akward just flying on a platform.
Right?! She’s in pentakill and it would’ve been cool to collab with kda
@@ravebae are Pentakill, DJ Sona and KDA in the same universe?
I mean I'm sure DJ and KDA are but Penta, not sure, still an artist can have so many alteregos and personas to try new genres and I'm sure Sona would be one to do that in that universe
Even i, that never played ornn wanted his skin right now....
Same
they will be releasing it this year, they announced it at the start of the season
@@ondrejmichalek2602 ooh i know that, what i meant is, that after this huge let down, that's all i wanted.
They are releasing it in December which is a huge slap in the face. They hyped him out a year ago.
@@alchoholicmushroom yeah right?... it's such a shame seeing it take so long for this skin, when seraphine's a goddam ultimate one
She doesn’t only have a Twitter, but she also has a Spotify account where she has a cover of POP/STARS.
she also has an instagram account
The problem is not that she's a copy of Sona, it's that she's an upgrade of Sona. Sona suffers from a similar problem of a lot of older champions in that her kit is very subtle and way too dependent on her ult to make an impact. Just because a few abilities are different doesn't make Seraphine unlike a VGU, because her kit seems like a reimagining of Sona into something that is more engaged in the fight. The final nail in the coffin is that her character design, that of an ethereal floating musical woman is so similar.
actually her kit seems more similar to Neeko's than sona's, sona is the better support and has short range while Seraphine is more of a wave clear and poke mage, Seraphine honestly does better playing mid than she does playing support as her Q can accidentally steal your adc's farm.
i think it feels like the rework of sona and they just made a new champ so they don't have to spend money reworking a dead character like sona.
Could've just reworked sona with Sera's abilities.
This, instead of giving Sona a desperately needed rework kit wise. This only seems to make her redundant. It helps that Seraphine's lore is not all that fitting to begin with so it only begs the question more, "Why attach this kit that is basically an improved Sona kit, to a newly designed champion that seems hastily thought out at best. While you could have just, y'know? Given it to Sona, she's right there already in need of an upgrade".
I'm pretty sure the community is tired of seeing Disney like characters every release and seeing riot stray further away from the mood and overall a esthetic of the game that kept the community there
Zoe, neeko and lillia feels really runeterrean due to their appearence. Sera Is just... Way too realistic
@@ignacioperez5479 yup they do. I don't like their design, being to anime-ish, but they still fit. Seraphine...
@Damani Campbell You sound like the biggest edgelord lmao
@Damani Campbell ..? Just an obseration my guy. I didn't even say you were wrong, but if you wanna get mad for like no reason, thank you for proving my point! xoxo
@Damani Campbell edgelord
This is a literal "Even a fan could have done better" moment
Most people could do better than riot these days, both regarding champion design and game balance. They don't give a fuck anymore.
@@kingkongsz at this moment Riot needs to listen to the community
We BLACKPINK stans know the pain(The Ice Cream incident, BLINKS were furious about the song and made their own versions.)
@@ssnekky what r u saying
Of course they do, look Ekko for example, it was a fan made before if i remember correctly.
-Doesn't deserve an Ultimate, it should've been 3 separate launch skins
-Riot clearly only focused on her KDA lore, and tried to shoehorn her into Runeterra
-The voice doesn't match the face, and most of her line deliveries are just... *c r i n g e*
-She doesn't even *LOOK* like she's from Piltover/Zaun on her default skin, and instead looks like Star Guardian. So she got a Star Guardian skin for *free.*
Personally, I have nothing against duplicate champion kits or themes. Lux/Morgana & Diana/Leona have basically the same kit, Annie & Brand are both pyromancers in the most literal sense, so why NOT have another musician? It's not like music isn't a thing in Runeterra.
But the problem was execution.
Last year, they said "we have plans to make next year's worlds the biggest yet." in their BTS video of setting up last year's worlds, meaning they already knew they were going to have Seraphine. They only cared about bringing back KDA, cause it was stupid successful. So at most, let's be generous and say a year and a half of prep to get her lore until they started releasing her soundcloud & twitter stuff.
They spread themselves too thin! There's no way you can get everything set up that quickly; run feedback tests, record her music, build her model, hold auditions for both her singing voice & in-game voice, create all the art, the VFX, the SFX, bug test, balance test, the 5-set comic series, and the two separate lore without something suffering.
Something had to be rushed, and to a lot of fans, that was the voicelines, the in-game model, the design choices for default in general, and the in-game lore. And that last one betrays the core fanbase a lot.
[[EDIT: Getting a lot of repeat questions about the Diana/Leona bit, and since no one wants to read all the comments (don't blame you), here we go.
Diana & Leona both have dives, both have a survivability ability that does damage for some reason, have passives involving light that need to be proc'd to utilize their kits to the fullest extent, have multiple ways to stick to their opponent, and have an AoE ultimate that keeps multiple targets from running. (And yes, I do know Diana ulti was originally the dive, but I'm talking about now and not release)
And if you can't see that it's the same kit just with different focuses on numbers & team role, then I'm sorry but you're in denial. Also I'm *NOT* complaining that it's a bad thing, cause it's like the Yin/Yang thing with each other since launch, and I find that pretty awesome!]]
Thank you for summarizing everything so clear and well my guy...
It's really sad that they didn't think about this, as if we would swallow it. Thanks God people are opening their eyes ..
Bard is basicly a mucisian too
Agree
Now days the least thing they care about is the gameplay.
cRiNgE
For the lore, I would have loved if she became some sort of a conservationist, who advocates to save the dying out Brackern species. Like maybe she met Skarner somehow, and he told her what these hextcch crystal really are, so she tries to spread the word to the people of Piltover and Zaun. Scratch the hover board idea completely, and make her a character who is aware of what hextech is, and is trying to put an end to its use, for Skarner's sake. Would have been alot better than just generic, bubbly kpop star character.
wait skarner is talking ?
I wouldn't mind if they made her a vapid, selfish and evil pop star à la Mean Girls either.
@@checkerface0-0 Skarner can talk yes
This my man is wayyy better than adding sum pop star to the league
I'd be okay with riot pulling a curve ball on us and making her a manipulative sociopath. Like the whole empathy and caring thing could be an act and she's only doing it to further her well being. I mean that's already how it seems since she knows about the hextech crystals and doesn't seem to care.
I think Riot mission its success... She created as an idol... Now she have a fan & haters... Complete. 🤣😂😅
Haha lol yeah true
Millions of hater and thousands of fans
Yeh cant really say its a success when 90% of the community hates her. Idk maybe 99% but seems like im exaggerating it at this point
Yes
yeah lmao i didn't think like this .d
I thought lillia's walking was annoying, but now i'll be able to get killed by a T-pose gliding kpop champion :) thank you riot, you never cease to amaze me!
I like your profile pic link for the art?
Says a guy who mains ahri like if your champ isn’t as cancerous as Lilia
@@drbruiser4605 I didnt know having a champion profile pic meant that i mained it, dont be so butthurt :(
@@idkx3 it’s an easy obvious more than likely true assumption lol
@@idkx3 that’s even worse because you give people cancer by commenting in a video
At least Samira has decent lore and Yone probably has the more interesting lore because it talks about demons but Seraphine's lore is comparable to like 2009 lore when League was just a small game. (ughh that bad Lee Sin and Nunu lore flashbacks)
my boy gragas lore:
Yeah, I remember when I watched one of Necrit's vids where he talked about the old lore. Even now it cracks me up when I hear Nidalee's
'she did just that' 😂
Samira is cool tho. Just a little broken
@@pmathewizard well, now his lore sounds decent compared to Seraphine. This is the only thing that bothers me
"And they did just that"
Every 3rd character lore
Yall remember when league of legends was about the strongest fighters in runeterra battling it out and not about Disney kpop Singers?
Gone were the good days. Now League is a disney kpop anime shitfest. Time to migrate to Dota 2.
@@vicnad92 or smite
@@sholfiel6329 or mobile legends
"we kept the platform to keep her look distinct from other female mages in the game" damn. instead of that maybe you could...not...make her look like every other female mage in the game?
Fr-
Unique
Or keep her from being like every other e-girl ever...
Playerbase: we just want an ornn skin and new reworks for old champions.
Riot: hehe, here you have new K/DA member that is also a playable champion who has totally unoriginal skills :---D
I'll throw a party if Ornn gets a new skin, no joke ..
@@rbekker998 Riot said he will have a new one but nobody knows when it will be released
nothing has been original this year
there has been alot of mashes of kits since kaisa
@Damianos Outskas funnily enough it has been confirmed so many times i thinks its just an afterthought
if they even think of adding it at all
@@owo4470 next season is going to be even more weirder. One of the mythic item's active is literally Sivir's ult.
"No other champion has a floating platform"
Sona:bruh
Yuumi has got a fucking book xD
sona doesn't even have a platform she just F L O A T S
Sona: "i *AM* the floating platform!"
I’m gonna fix everything right now:
Sona Rework
Nope. If you give that kit to her your ded man.
well yeah if they would rework sona... seraphine is exactly what comes to my mind
@@N3207H05 Hell no. This is a mage-ish kit not a support! This kit lack Sona's buffing aura which made her famous back then for Sona mains. Too selfish too give kills and far more Rengar-ish passive than Sona and a Corki-ish nerfed 1st. "
Her passive works well with allies."
Yeah, *for getting her kills that is*. It has not benefits to allies at all compared to Sona's which grant as many debuffs as her buffs.
"At least she can double cast."
Yeah right, like button mashing wasn't enough for full CDR Sona. Though ability haste is really different than CDR back then bit that fact still remains.
"Her Ult-"
Her ult may be better but again it heightens the chance to misplace the ability shot from their previous position by "accident". A complete waste of attract skill shot to be honest.
Very fun "support" right?
People say the ult is the same but I think Seraphine ult is used more for sniping squishier in the back in a teamfight and sonas more for the cc
When riot does that.
Sona mains: nononono switch it back switch it baaccckk
They didn’t even touch that she gets an ultimate skin on release
because it’s not an actual ultimate skin, it’s just marketed as one because it’s legit just a skin bundle. i refuse to count it as an ultimate skin because it doesnt change forms in game, riot really fucked this up
rip ornn
@@imveryanxious the last year we didn't get a new Ultimate skin because of they working on one wich Will be completely better. Aaannnd.... We hoy 3 legendaries
Me: I love Seraphine! Her voicelines are awesome and her vibe feels really unique.
The community: *Disgusting*
Me: *Disgusting*
Hahaha me!!! I honestly love her design alone and how smooth she feels when playing, but it just doesnt fit in league.
her theme is 🔥
@@jonassolivio5487 oh my case she fits my playstyle a hero can heal and provide shield and can be used in classes and *I always uses her on rank*
Seraphine main here
No hate but how is she unique 😭 litterally every other cute hot anime girl made only for marketing.
JUSTICE FOR SCARNER!
Lol true
Main skar here 🤘🏽😞
Justice against the girl who's completely fine with the genocide of another race to help hers unite!!!
"hah-ha" - Skarner
Skarner life's matter
honestly, they should've made her a long lost daughter/sister of sona to make her a tad bit interesting. :>
Should have made her deaf then xD Or blind?
Then it will be similar with Yasuo and Yone
@@vithayartheppalard2417 I won't mind that if it happened
@@PaladinfffLeeroy Maybe she's also mute and her platform's the one who let her speak. IDK lmao.
@@BLUE-mc5eb Which could also be why she has Skarner's crystals. They use her as a vessel for them to reach out to Skarner.
She's singing in Chinese and called her kpop I'm confused
edit: TYSM for the likes and thank u for the answers on the reply even tho it's chaotic 😊
Wait really she sing in chinese...i dind know that🤔
they calling her kpop only cuz she is in kda which has 2 koreans, and no one wants her there, koreans hate chinese, koreans players are asking why is she in KDA anyways, and she isnt really kpop cuz kpop is an indutry in which u need to pass year of trainee, and i dont even know why they added her in KDA i hope she aint permanent member tho, + her chinese voice on music doesnt even match the voices of the others
@@Jiminsjammm8 So the two American singer is korean now? And why korean hate Chinese ？
@@chen2789 i said the only 2 KOREAN SINGERS are kpop, and koreans are chinese ppl hate each other bcs China is with North Korea and South koreans do not like it and recently there has been problems with China and SK abt politics and economy as China wanted to ban SK products over a speech that explained South Korean and North Korean war in which China doesn't want to be seen as a villain for being in NK. Anyways KPOP is a industry meaning only the ppl that passed the training system of kpop and kpop idols meaning only Soyeon and Miyeon from Gidle that are the voices of the 2 characters in KDA are actually kpop and if u didnt know in KDA there are 2 koreans
@@Jiminsjammm8 but koreans have chinese, sing in chinese/japanese and even mix like NCT. So that makes no sense.
She is also from Hong Kong
Well, when she kills jhin she goes like 1,2,3 1,2,3, i think it’s a mayor reason for hate
Its remind jhin her virtuoso not perfect yet😅🤣
*major
She disrespect the art of number 4
@@newbplaygames sorry jhin someone must disrespect your art no 4🤣
@@hanisrosli5484 that's why she needs perfection with his 4th shot
Idk why they didn’t give the ultimate skin to anybody else on the group who is more deserving, like maybe take away kaisa’s prestige skin which isn’t even good and give it to a normal skin for seraphine and give kaisa an ultimate skin
Give our boi Ornn a skin already..
Kai sa mains had a hard time getting her first prestige skin. That’s y they had to create a new one.
they said no more ult skins like lux or mf not no more ult skins
You Know What You’re Right. Why Does Seraphine Get Special Treatment? Riot Obviously Had A Cash Grab In Mind When Making All Of This Promotional Content For Her. From Twitter To Her KDA Collab. It Kinda Overshadows The Real Stars, KDA Themselves.
@The Meaning is Always Vague Kaisa has 2 decent skins. One is her championship skin and the other is her base. Bullet angel is okay but looks kinda off at certain angles. All of her other skins are pretty meh for an adc being either jokey like arcade or K/DA. Counting Prestige skins half her skins are K/DA. Most people would rather have her original prestige over the new one as well with how jank it looks.
Seraphine:"gotta find a rhythm on the chaos"
Meanwhile
World war 2: oh no you dont..
She's basically a walmart Sona lmao.
Lmao 😂😂
Ture lol
A walmart but better which is kinda sad
so... you didnt watch the video or play the champ. good for you!
@@mel1723 I mean they do share similarities as pointed out by pro guides I understand both champs are not identical but it is worrying that both of the champs have the same utility in their kits one way or another
For a musician themed champ, her whole persona, kit and design are rather tone deaf.
This comment is underrated
Someone call an ambulance 🤣
@@oKazaryo BUT NOT FOR ME-
idk why I said that, I just love that vine XD
damn i felt the heat on this one
OOF-
I feel that her character design is from some cheap Chinese web browser game.
Mobile Legends Bang Bang
@@rexlumontad5644 no
@@rexlumontad5644 it's an app not a web
@@jahsvsjahvssshfsfb5039 We all know Mobile Legends rip off League of Legends to try stay relevant.
@@rexlumontad5644 fr
"Seraphine is sona 2.0"
Mordekaiser *Laughs in Darius*
?
@@nepals2409 New Mordekaiser is way more similar to Darius than Seraphine is to sona
@@Fremdscham-uu3xv no it's no
@@batuhanyldz2835 it is AP Darius. Passive: Damage overtime
Q - aoe dmg but extra dmg in special cases
E - penetration and hook
R - Another tool to get rid of jungler
@@Fremdscham-uu3xv Thats not weed you taking bruh
I mean u forget that seraphine auto boosted passive is also sona's Q passive but better since it's increase the auto range , and that seraphines W does litteraly Sona W & E combined
More like an enhanced karma e with a movable redemption haha
@@eugeileskyzer I mean yes it do both
lmao don't forget that Seraphine Ult or Passive+E is basically Sona ult
she has literally - and i am not even exaggerating - EVERY SINGLE Sona ability in her kit
everything sona can do, seraphine will be able to do aswell + some additional crap
@@TheWeaslbee q? Also aoe cc isn’t just special to Sona and seraphine
@@daktotathecolossus7404 her q passive is there. The only part she doesn't have is the automatic damage, but she also has her regular q which is damage anyway.
She’s fun to play in the game but Riot should really try to fix her theme and lore. Otherwise, I have no issues with her.
They could have at least made her like a fancy olden times female performer. Like a Korean kinseng, Japanese geisha, or the Chinese version. The women who would mainly sell their skills and only be forced to sell their bodies to the most powerful of men.
They could have made a in universe version of such a singer/dancer..would fit more in the universe/lore than this trash.
Any Company with majority Chinese owned shares just turns into pure pandering trash. They just have too high of a population...too heavy of influence...The CCP has mastered the exploitation of the global economic/political system. Whichever USA/western power that thought "a free market capitalism with beneficial trade deals will lead to democracy, " was an absolute short sighted fool.
Instead it has created an authoritarian super government that makes the monitoring and control of "1984", and the stranglehold over all money/theft and spying of the USSR look like kid's games.
We would never give the USSR the ability to openly control / own vital companies... so why are we letting the CCP do it? Literally the CCP has been at full scale hybrid war against the world for over a decade. Read "STEALTH WAR:HOW CHINA TOOK OVER WHILE AMERICA'S ELITE SLEPT "
Everytime I see something like this in gaming, movies, or sports (NBA hong kong drama), it makes me utterly terrified to imagine what is happening in the private sector or what spying theft is taking place against our governments/militaries.
Huawei is able to dominate because all of their software and hardware is all stolen...no need to waste money on research/development...Then the CCP provides full support behind company because it is a great way to monitor their citizens and the rest of the world
All the 5g conspiracies miss the main point..whomever control's the 5g towers, will control the world. Like a modern day version of a space race phenomenon, but with data and surveillance.
People should really be afraid. Especially with the genius propaganda..."if you criticize the CCP government, you are hating on China and are racist."...while people would never think "if you criticize the usa government, you hate all Americans."
Just pure genius propaganda. All the so called "Confuciust Institutes" on so many USA campuses...which are basically little branches of the CCP's version of the CIA/mossad/MI5/KGB, but they are allowed to openly operate on campuses around the world. Is it because we underestimate the CCP? Why is no one concerned about the "belt and road" initiative?
If the CCP can have so much soft power to influence games and movies like this we should really open our eyes.
It is fine if you dislike America or its government...but we have to realize that if we allow the CCP to take full power, our lives will be so much worse.
If they are gonna pander with this champ. They could have at least done it well.
Kangas lowkey looks like Johnny Sins
He is, this is another one of his jobs.
@@theunfallenwarrior6046 lmao
Lmao
Realy hot..
hardly but ok XD he do be attractive tho #notsimpingjuststatingfacts
All for One, One for All! Join the Skarner Mains in our quest to snuff out the evil that is Seraphine!
I'm a Sona and Katarina main... And I'm considering picking up Skarner purely because this Sera bullshit is bullshit
DELETE SERAPHINE!!!
DON'T ADD HER IN K/DA!!!
PROTECT SKARNER!!!
I agree with everyone who's saying that they focused more on her Twitter account, and K/DA integration more than they did on champion design and concept.
I like that lore of using the kind bubbly personality exploiting a whole race of peaceful skarners (it's actually very popstar-esque). Think about how the merchandise of real pop-stars is made by sweatshops then they go on tv giggle laugh and talk about how they care about everyone. Probably not what they meant to go for but it's kinda spot on.
Yeeah! I would love if she turned to be a villain, but on her lore, it never mentions this twisted reality..Im sure they didn't meant to do, and that makes her words funny as hell since she looks more like a psychopath than what they expected it would sound like.
Sera is bad :( and this gets me sad.
@@VexDeePhilosophs It be great if they showed her the horrors the race faced and she looks at it and says that not true right my gem loves me and an audience looks at her and they all have this WTF we listening to her the it's reveal her fans don't love her it's just her device hypnotizes people and she un aware of this effect
A villain who not aware she is
THE RED RIDDING HOOD IN A WOLF COAT = Fire concept
@@tristancarter4324 this can go even further and get into mental ilness aspects. Or they could have included things in her lore, that she told her parents that her crystal is talking to her and they deemed her crazy. They could have made her escape an asylum with the crystal. Make her go to Skarner and try to give back the crystal, and then the crystal would decide to help her spread the story of the crystals in order to free them or something.
Man there could have been so many possabilities to make her a literall hero for Skarner's race and just give her more depth as a character overall. They could have made her a crazy psycho and experimented with that, or make her a really good character by trying ot help the brackern. So many missed opportunities...
@@tristancarter4324 that sounds so cool! And like Very illusioned person, this kind of villain looks even human...Blind by her own faith on it
@@hasu4399 damn please, riot, just please, hire these people kfkskdkalx
6:45 ignoring the champion that's literally named *bard*
I absolutely love everything about her personality, design, skins, kit, and her part in KDA but her lore just felt so rushed and forced. Like you said, so much potential to connect her to other stories and riot failed, hopefully they can fix her lore somehow by tying her in somewhere
you forgot about the ultimate skin
sorry i mean three epic skin in a bundle
It's a quest skin. There won't be anymore in-game transfroming skins, riot says.
@@LesserLordKusanali but what makes an ultimate skin cool and worth it is transformation not quests
@@abdsy881xss6 ikr the quests just make it worse
Who else think she doesn't deserve the Ultimate skin?
I do😢
its all about the money
Ornn deserves an ultimate skin more than Seraphine, let's be honest..our boi needs some love...
DJ Sona’s a more thought out skin
Tbh everybody
That question is a bit wrong. Any of old champions deserved Ultimate skin(hype for one of old champions always good) but Riot dogs makes it for non-unique champion. Holy tits, do they rly lack money so much? Im so confused.
It’s nuts how they made a champ that feels so outside of the lore, have absolutely nothing unique
I just relly hate her standing on a platform this looks so stupid and out of place...
Edit: It's been 3 months now and I still haven't played a single game with/against her
she is really pretty and looks cool but yes her platform is really dumb if she walked she would be much better
Shitty hover board
Yess it looks so fucking stupid such laziness from riot
It would be better if it was some type of flying speaker robot in the design of the platform,it would look better
@@crumblemuffin1257 She could have just sat on it. Really.
we came from demons, kingslayers, assassins, merciless mages etc, to this fckn influencer... if at least she was somehow original, her abilies are just other champs abilities slightly improved and is just cringey uwu champ
we've got two singers now in league... seraphine and karthus, the D I F F E R E N C E
I mean, Sona's a musician/mage, but she wasn't advertised in the cringy way like seraphine. Seraphine is made just for K/DA. I'm ok with adorable, cute and/or just beautiful characters, but seraphine just doesn't fit league.
@@theinsanityarc Sona is completely fine champ. Im also fine with champs like Neeko, shes little bit cringey but its good champ. Seraphine is just pure cringe, has everything possible in her kit and she kills Skarners family in lore to sing, by using his crystals... I just... hate her...
The day this champ comes out im going to start permamently banning her
@@pripyatmafia3310 her lore is fucked up. She hears brackerns' vocies in the crystals and she goes like: "oh, cool, it'll help me with my singing". She just hears skarner's dead family and uses them as an entertainment .
P1: "Hey supp, what champ are you going to play?"
P2: "Sona"
P1: "Which one?"
The trash one
Seraphine
The Op version
🤣🤣🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
My biggest problem it's her design she doesn't feel from the game at all
I have my fix to Seraphine: Delet her
I approve..
I don't
the only way they "delete" a character is to completely change their kit and character (a la "Aatroxed")
until then, she's staying bro
No!
Well now imagine a tiktoker in Doom universe
Feels weird right?
Cant they just turn seraphine into a sona skin? We would have KDA Sona then
That would be one option, but i think Riot would never discard everything they did (the twitter, the kda skin..that cost a lot of money) to do something better like this.
Maybe they can rework her instead and apologize? But to be honest, i don't think Riot will care that much :(( ....sigh, after all, theyre earning from it still...
@@VexDeePhilosophs Yea you are right. I like your idea of reworking her and apologizing and maybe that happens in the future. I mean there is large group of people who dont like her, maybe riot sees this and changes something.
I apologize for my bad english i hope u can understand what i mean
It would have been better for DJ Sona to open a Twitter and say sheb is taking a rest and wants to try something new, besides would be awesome to give her a way to talk by writing. And coming up with a feat. with KDA
Sona can't sing. Shes mute
I was just about to say. If Sona joined KDA, it’d be to be their pianist because she’s mute. I really think they would have reworked her and given her a KDA skin if she wasn’t mute. They wouldn’t have gone through all the trouble to make this champion. I used to be a Sona OTP and I can definitely say I’m a little frustrated with what Riot has done with this new champ, Seraphine.
Anyone else scared by the fact that Rito could give Sona the graves treatment? Lucian was released, kit too similiar to old graves. Graves get reworked. This might also happen to Sona
Thats scary as hell! ...that would probably kill her for the players who love her, but i don't doubt Riot would do such thing, because they'd rather change sona than change this new champion they prepared...sigh..
reworking sona is for best coz they really killed her early game
Old graves was the one that got reworked cause he also had a bad thematic dissonance... he was a shotgun wielder who used a grenade launcher instead. Assuming the same happens here (not guarenteed, the argument that she is in a different niche to Sona which might help avoid the issue... her being in the meta won’t immediately push Sona out of the meta and might actually be the opposite... sera Sona bot lane might be a thing) there is no guarentee Sona will be the one getting a rework (though that might not be a bad thing)
how was lucian any similar to graves lmao
the only thing they really have/had in common is their dash on E
the rest is and always has been different XD
I mean, Graves rework changed him into a jungler (after a few patches in top lane) and really set his theme as a shotgun wielder instead of his tommy gun. I wouldn't mind a Sona rework tbh, so long as her updated lore stays relevant to her character after her rework. But I do know what you mean.
Played her and honestly she feels like playing Sona but with more a middlaner focuse than support focused that is pretty much it, theme is same music based, both float, their kits are way to overlapping can't call them same but the similarities are endless they honestly fused sonas w and e into Sera's W they both boost basic attack with casting 3 spells I could go on.... For me honestly Sera came out from someones idea of a rework for Sona.
Which begs the question why they didn't just rework Sona in the first place, love her and her theme but honestly she is really showing her age. Seraphine feels like an attempt to make her obsolete.
We need real void champion and monsters.
I am bored with hoomanss
We need originality!!! And monsters are usually unique in lol, since all his humans are usually hot generic girls (generalizing, of course) and badass or really cool men. (Its odd to try to put it in a nutshell, cause design things are very complex ^^' so..)
@@VexDeePhilosophs naw illoai is hot and generic too she just like tentacles
I want more void stuff, but riot gives absolute no fricks about it. Lets just hope the noxian support will be a something to redeem riot from this poopoo hole they made.
@@grenada9347 last time we got void monster is rek sai ?
What about less Disney and Edgy?
Kindred will forever be THE BEST.
Heck even Udyr has a better, more original theme than Seraphine
YESSSS!
@@murkskippert udyr is the multi animal Lee sin and father of sejuani ofc he has a better theme
sorry but uh JHIN GANG
@@Velasco301 jhin gang reporting in
No one gonna talk about how she can destroy any lane and make backlining adc feel irrelevant since da one shot game is strong with her? Ok.
if you get one shot by seraphine congratulations for not being able to dodge a skill shot, you wanna talk about unfair champs? how about malazahar where his kit is mostly point and click
@@mia-dr2rw with viego out this conversation is irrelevant, riot is just fucking with us.
If you are playing as Seraphine and get stomped you can just play on the back of the back and just press R during a TF, the range is so absurd. and you will make a lot of difference.
Why’s everyone hating on sona..?
Oh wait it’s seraphine
This is one of the only comments to get me to truly laugh.
Sonaphine..
it makes me think they are doing something meaningless
@@deepblue003 only stupid people do not have a job to take that kind of serious
I use goggle translate sorry
@@VexDeePhilosophs Sonaphine?
Seraphine?
Belle Delphine?!
What is this conspiracy?!
Don't even try to justify anything about her... I'm usually not that close minded but with this champ... Maaaan just delete her
True. Seraphine should be deleted
@@genosvarmillion8614 NOOOOO STOP PLEASE!!!
@@keqingthecatears5923 Yeah she sucks
@@andreselchico your taking this to far!!!!! If u guys hate her then don't play on her isn't that easy !!!!?
@I have 6 balls now WTH do u mean by that am not being soft!!! It's just that why do u guys hate sera, if its cause of her style then leave it, I like it!!.
I honestly thought she was a Sona skin at first
i thought she was a Lux skin
Thought it was a rework. Not playing league anymore just saw this champ and looked for sona rework
Why does Sona get 2 ultimate skins
Because they cost more, they chose to Reston soma and then to make as much money as possible off of her
Its one . You buy it then you can choose between 2 skins before the game
But its really missed up
What im sad about that they clearly said in a previous video the ultimate skin would be for a marksman like Kaisa or Cait. But it was a lie
@@justaguywholikeshentai9019 I think u missed the joke here
@@vShio yeah i did not gonna lie lol . What's the joke
@@vShio oooh sht lol yeah i see it ! Its written sona xD. Not seraphine
I got blinded by teemo
Don’t even try to defend that trashy champ in any small way, there’s literally nothing even worth defending about Seraphine.
Her music, fun gameplay etc etc..
@@LesserLordKusanali lmaoo
@@LesserLordKusanali Feels as awkward as complimenting Hitler's paintings
@@LesserLordKusanali gameplay? what gameplay a fkn walnut could play that "champ"
@@LesserLordKusanali music ???? She " makes" the most generic music .
I think she's pretty cute and has cool abilities, but she feels more like a recycled idea and for money. If they would perhaps fix her character and design she'd be better rather that just a sona 2.0
Ikr.
but its funny how most people call her sona 2.0 but they never played sona neither seraphine
yes, we have gods ghosts dragons, cosmic travelers...its a fantasy world, wtf is a pop star doing there? it doesnt fit
In first season we have a fierce face of a warriors scary monsters and some goddess and now we got popstar that will destroy the all race :3
I don't mind a pop star in Piltover - it's like most advanced region in runeterra. The issue is that it is impossible to manufacture freaking glitter for seraphine's dress in victorian age. She is so freaking out of place that I'm ok with Yuumi and Zoe being part of League
well, it's a fantasy world...
except for her clothes, it doesn't fit
I always wondered what some of these more “real-life” human characters would do if they met some really powerful creature like Volibear, Aurelion Sol or Vel’Koz.
Like, seriously, what the fuck would Seraphine do against a pissed off lightning-wielding Demigod?
@@bigzhopel1608 also her outfit is very modern, my sister can probably find the entire thing at the discount section of Walmart
Seraphine is more like champion for low budget games...
More like a champ from a LoL Rip-off
@@rbekker998 *cough* mobile legends *cough*
Sera looks literally like a character from league of legends rip-off
@@AqwDragulum actually the majority of champions in it is way more unique than seraphine, she's boring
She fit in mobile legends.
Love these kit by kit comparisons and would love to see more of them. Overall a really great video thanks for taking the time.
I've been watching ProGuides for a while now and I'm constantly getting the impression that they're always exclusively on Riot's side on all matters. Does anybody else get this impression? Maybe I'm exaggerating or maybe this is a widely known thing already.
The content is always trying to say something like "Yeah, Riot messed up, but that's ok! Keep playing anyway and forget about these mistakes" or helping Riot sell us stuff by saying "I can't wait to try this new skin on". It's hard to believe that they're giving us an unbiased opinion. The content doesn't feel truthful.
About Seraphine. To me, it makes no sense for her to move around on a stage instead of just walking around. It feels weird. A champion that we associate with the real world having a floating stage. There are too many champions already. Just fix the buggy client and we'll be happy!
Sorry for the long text
It's not too uncommon for a youtube channel that is based around one game to do that. It's because if they complain too much about it, then the players start to leave the game and their channel views go down. They want to keep their views up, so they try to hype up the game to keep people interested.
sona
yumi
seraphine
*LETS JUST COPY THE R*
Laziest design 😒
At least yuumi's is different in how it works.
@@MrTalithan i think yuumi has the most fair cc in the game,to cc the enemy team you need to hit them 3 times
Not this morgana bullshit 10 year root
Didnt know that legend himself Johnny Sins is running proguide
I will ban this champion til they give sona a rework
thats some dedication
I don't want a Rework for my Sona Just buff is enough.
@@symphonysonata4853 why buff when a champion has her ulty but with more range + charming
@@symphonysonata4853 what the point of playing sona if you have a better over bufff version of her
Sona and nami are both useless champs that have literally no place in this game. Like theres no reason to Play them
Riot than : hey this champion's concept is good but it doesn't fit in meta so let's rework him/her
Riot now : hey this champion's concept is good but it doesn't fit in meta so let's take his /her concept and skills and create a new champion
Tbh, I just like her character personality, just so positive and cheerful. Haven’t really played with her character
same, i personally kinda like her
It's kinda sad people bully the player who mains or plays as her :'0
I liked using her for support but then one match I (Seraphine) vs the enemy's sup (Seraphine). Now I know why she's annoying.
Most hates are about seraphine’s voice and how annoying and stupid it sounds. That’s just a dumb reason, they’re basically hating and harassing a real person now.
@@babypatrick553 true.
We got it, they paid you to calm the crowd, we got it.
You hace that right !
Exactly what I was thinking
Did you even watch?
Yeah, probably, but also, im glad they at least talked about it! Theyre a known channel, and maybe they convince people to come and criticize her and stop praising Sera so much, blindly!
But at the same time, i dont think the word "hate" in the title is very nice ^^' It's like we are a bunch of people who only hate without understanding why she's bad...There are people who hate her but...She has potential! Its undeniable, but it was wasted, and threw into a goddamn trash bin..
Oof
Skarner is one of my mains. This showed me that Riot literally does not give a Twitch’s ass about monstrous champions like Skarner and the lore behind them is an afterthought. Its like they decided to say, here your monster who has been taken advantage of for years has someone who can be the catalyst for a horrifying reveal connected to Camille’s family, but naw, we Brackern are ok with being exploited. Combined with their portrayal of Sylas, I see they kinda don’t understand the implications of saying a minority should be fine with being exploited.
When I wasn’t familiar with LoL, I thought Seraphine was a skin of Sona
I expect a lore/voiceline rework in the coming years. Seraphine looked like a really cool concept, but too many things don't line up. Feels rushed to some extent.
dont forget the emotes too, they don't really fit her nice girl vibe either they seem really cocky and kinda rude
This is exactly the reason why I quit league. We went from brave warriors, mysterious demons and powerful mages to uwu sugoi, kpop and edgelords.
True, lol champ just turned into modernity and base trend character
“Uwu sugoi”😂😂😂
Exactly! Even the new champion, Veigo's model (exact copy of Aphelios and skinnier Sett) looks like an edgy teen with 6 packs that can sell future skins. Im so done with Riot. Dota atleast has more diverse heroes, specifically monster types.
@@vicnad92 Yeah, I agree with you mate
Dota 2 characters are way more better.
You know what would be funny (and probably interesting) is if Serapphine was a hidden villain :P Like keep the lore, have her hear the voices and make her have a connection with Skarner, but rather than inspiring everyone or helping out, she's a secret villain that exploited this. No one knows about the crystal's true origins aside from her and have her evil by having her INTENTIONALLY hide that from everyone and act like nothing is going on. Crazy!
Buuuuuuuuuuut.... I think that wasn't the direction they were going for and well... then we have something completely off and wrong about her x.x
Damn this reminds me theory about Mercy was the villain in Overwatch.
It would be cool seeing riot actually release a champ that has 0 resemblance of any other
@@abdsy881xss6 you can't predict what will happen next
abdulrahman ibrahim ahem aphelios
@@Unknown-ky8ur aphelios is my boy :')) also, yeah..i wish they were more original with their designs, specially the women.....
I mean with this many champs it gets pretty hard not impossible but still hard
I want new Void and Vastayah champs, tbh.
It's really visible the champion was made JUST to be a kda cash cow, bland and boring if you aren't in the whole kpop thing riot's going for every year at this point, what a flop and an absolute dissapointment.
Long rant:
Even as a person who really likes Kpop, I probably wouldn't waste my money on getting her. I have been playing League of legends for only about two or three years now, so I might not know much about the development of a champion and the lore as a casual player, but it's so obvious that Seraphine is just a champion that is supposed to be a cash grab by Riot.
You can tell that Riot is getting lazier and lazier with the new champions they are releasing. I can understand that it's not easy coming up with new champion designs, lore, personality, and unique champion kits. But to ignore the whole premise of what makes a League of legends champion a champion is just asking for backlash from the community that cares for the champions they play. Not all their newest champions are bad, but Seraphine might be the worst case so far of Riot running out of ideas.
Her design is meh in my opinion and her kit just seems like a combination of Sona, Ahri, and Neeko. Her gameplay doesn't really look fun and it just looks like a poorer substitute for Sona mid. If she didnt float on that little hoverboard thingy and actually floated in the air like Zoe or just walked, then I probably wouldn't have disliked her design as much.
The way her skin works is just annoying and the skins aren't even that good tbh. I feel bad for the Orin players who have to wait a long time just to get a new skin, while Seraphine is getting a ultimate skin on release.
In Conclusion, she is just not that interesting of a champion and if Riot doesn't change anything about her to fit into the lore of League of legends, a lot of people wont find her interesting. Also, people, please stop harassing the singer and voice actress of Seraphine. If you don't like the champion, complain to Riot, not the voice actress or the singer.
A great rant, preach. Yeah, people complaining to the singer/voice for seraphine is just terrible. They didn't know anything. People really should just complain to Riot -_-. Really.
did you got yone? sett? samira??? idk whats your problem, its not like league has 120+ champs and you need to complain about her, if you ever played seraphine you would know how fun is to play her but no instead of trying her out you need to cry, yeet away luv 😒
@@uwu_geisha3066 She could be fun to play, yes. That's a subjective possibility.
But it doesn't erase the fact that her design is lame in every conceivable way. She look like a kpop *skin* for a champ, not a full fledged one.
She'll join Qiyana in the "everyone forgot this champ exists" club due to having similar problem: dull design and personality.
@@Polterg-Heist she looks really cool and shes pretty guys wont like her cause obviously every guy wants to play something reallyyyyy cool, not girly, tho girls will love her so theres no big of a problem, but if you wanna be honest, i really dont like her platform (skarners family), it has two reasons one is because of skarners family and second reason is it looks really dumb like some fancy plate, but i would still love to play her, its just a lore and its just a game if you wanna play her play, if you hate her dont even pick her
@@uwu_geisha3066 People care about this game, and as such, they will complain for if they don't, the developers won't have reason to do better, or worse encouraged to get lazier in their efforts. Not criticizing creates a precedent wherein the people who maintain this game might become indolent and by extension make the game worse. For those who care, it simply isn't enough to _ignore_ a problem.
A simple fix to Seraphine's lore, make her a Demacian mage. Turn her into a mage that hid her powers because "muh persecution" and eventually fled the city to try to live in peace. Keep the parts about her hearing the voices of all things but as a melody that she can't quite make out so that she can say to Skarner that he sounds familiar as opposed to just using his people's corpses as AAA batteries. Now she's a musical mage who's roaming the land to find a place she belongs and is becoming famous for singing in various towns and cities as a way to earn money. Bam, instantly justify her mistreatment of Skarner and give a reason for her rising pop star status
DON'T BUY SERAPHINE'S SKINS
I will
@@LesserLordKusanali i fell like I've seen you comment somewhere else...
@@LesserLordKusanali PLEASE DO SO WE CAN BAN IT AND MAKE IT USELESS
STOP THIS SERAPHINE HATING NOOBS!!!!!;
@@user-fh5gt8xo6s we will after they give another champ an ultimate skin not this piece of garbage that just came out and is just a more damage based sona that also can support a lot
Here here, a poet for thee
With nowhere to be, Teemo takes a knee. He pases the crown. There is a New most hated in town
underrated comment
So nobody will talk about her voice line about skarner and call her a phycopath for that?RIP Skarner soul
Glad to see some critisism, the whole channel and your business runs on League so while it would be easy to simp for Riot, glad to see that isn't the case.
Am I too optimistic to think that the massive amount of backlash would at least force Riot to make some small amount of change?
Besides the glaring Sona 2.0 issue, it's as if the lore team saw the balance team getting ripped on everytime a new champ comes out and was like "hold my beer" we can piss off people too!
Her look literally could be from the Starguardian universe or stepped out of some tween's closet in our modern times, it is jarring bad and stands out so, so bad if it's supposed to be from Piltover. Nothing about it looks Piltovian.
It's quite obvious her Runeterran self was an afterthought and they had to link it to something and somebody who didn't think to check just went uh uhhh Skarner hasn't got much connection to anything, lets link them somehow, and 2 minutes later her lore was done. It's such a pisspoor effort on Riot's part and just reeks of her being made entirely for the purpose of drumming up social media hype and getting people interested in K/DA again and to sell skins.
I could literally write a better lore for Seraphine in 10 minutes than whatever BS Riot has done. It really cheapens the brand and makes you less invested in the world they're trying to keep you in.
Not even a Seraphine lover, but I’m convinced the Seraphine hate bandwagon is more cringe. You guys are soooooo insecure!
True
Seraphine is based on a riot employee's SIMPing on belle delphine.
Riot 2009: an armadillo with spikes on his shell
Riot 2020: belle delphine
Rammus was in the game years before 2012 lol. 2009 is when he came into the game if I remember correctly.
I have no idea what problem people have. Her overboard is so badass
Me personally, it's her lore, voice lines, and design; all of it just seems so...disjointed (hollow? Half-baked?) whatever word it is.
Have you not seen the world of Runeterra? She does not fit in the League universe. Its like bringing a modern K-POP idol into a medieval world
now comes DMG control, just admit it this champ is uninspired and lazy you guys know it stop lying to yourself.
More like these guys should stop kissing Riots ass for Gods sake...
I think riot got in touch with them to talk people out of hating her, she's probably not selling as much as they wanted her to
@@GianHT yeah, maybe ...I think pro guides tried to be "in the middle" you know? Just to not displease anyone. They're always quite like this,very impartial..
@@VexDeePhilosophs Do they? Because they happily rode the bandwagon into oblivion about prenerfs Yuumi and Aphelios, they always encouraged the hate towards those two because no income was on the line, with Seraphine? Well this time it's an ultimate skin we are talking about, siding with the players? Can't have that
Full shill mode
They should just delete the champion, give her abilities to Sona and make a visual rework of said champion, that way they keep their K-Pop money AND the community happy.
My thought exactly!
No!. Im not from korea but i love sera
no they just need to fix her lore and in-game personality imo
It's just a champion there is no need to hate only toxic people do it because they are unsatisfied
What really pissed me off is the platform. And that lore regarding brackerns. 🤣🤣🤣