Fighter Gets Knocked Out Then Starts Fighting Ref at UFC 286
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- Sam Patterson lost his fight at UFC 286 and after the stoppage he appeared to be still be trying to fight - expect it was against the ref. Why did this happen and what does it mean?
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Thanks for the insight, doc. It’s always scary to see someone who’s completely gone like that. Glad to hear this likely won’t be anything severe for the young man.
Cte
It's always severe just later in life they end up dying at 65 of some degenerative brain issue and nobody realizes.
@Sleepless Omni Man cte
@Sleepless Omni Man cte is just the dark horse of any sport involving head contact, can still be grateful this young fighter won't be severely affected. all these guys gonna have forms of cte when they are older
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@Brian Sutterer MD would you do a video on Mohammed mokaev? Ik he didn’t tap to the kneebar but that was nastyyyy
im shocked he doesn't have atleast 1m subs. he's always quick to put these videos out and gives a breakdown and when he concludes what injury it is, hes right 90% of the time. great channel and very underrated
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@JuvieMMA that dude’s knee has to be toast after not tapping to that knee bar. I know he didn’t want a loss, but dang that’s risky to your whole career
Can you break down what happened to Mokaev's knee, specifically what sort of long term damage was he risking by not tapping.
Yes I agree
Agreed
the ligaments in his knees likely have microtears in it now and will cause him worsening pain in the future until he finally blows it in the middle of training/match. Shoulda just tapped, his hype train got derailed anyway he looked like a deer in headlights in that fight but he just had the dagestani genes
@Foot how the hell did his train got derailed? if you guys have soo many exceptions on him that you just think he will go there and walk through everybody then that's your problem, not his. the man just keeps showing how good he's and he's still so young.
@Youssef He did not look impressive in his last fight at all. I don't know what you saw.
This guy got up faster than Aljo
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You are one of the best TH-cam content creators ever. Not only do you really know your stuff, but your selflessness in breaking down everything to make us smarter as opposed to withholding it or using our lack of insight to your advantage gives me more faith that there are doctors who actually take our best interests at heart. It's refreshing to have a channel that I know will give me more clarity with each new video.
Thanks Doc for the great insight on concussions. A topic that must be covered in the sport of MMA irregardless of popularity of the subject. 2022 saw some of the scariest and saddest deaths of young men in boxing. With smaller gloves in MMA than in boxing, it can be a lethal sport.
wrong. do some research on the MMA mortality rate before spreading misinformation like this.
These are the hard stoppages for the ref. Its just better to too stop it early than it is to stop it late. People will complain regardless but at least the fighters brain was protected.
True, I’d rather they er on the side of caution. I think Goddard is overall a great ref though
@Brian Sutterer MD 100% its a hard judgement call for sure and they want to do a good job.
@Brian Sutterer MD I believe Marc was like this because all the israel adesanya fans said he stopped his fight vs pereira early.
@JuvieMMA he saved adesanya, a well placed knee (that pereira does like) would’ve changed Israel.
@CoolBreeze37 yep. Or another left hook, pereira woulda shut his lights out.
In high school football years ago something like this kinda happened to me. I lost my helmet during a tackle and took another helmet to the head while I was going down. I had a bad concussion and after slowly working myself up to walk off I was wobbly walking to the sideline and the medical trainer saw me and came out to help. When he came over I tried tackling him (more like I attempted to tackle him but I pretty much just fell on him). 3 days later my parents were talking about it and I didn’t remember any of that happening. It was scary knowing I involuntarily did something and had no recollection of. That was the day I realized how serious concussions actually are
I have a similar story. I went head to head during a game. I guess I ran to the wrong sideline and started crying and screaming(😅embarrassed every time i think about it)at their coach. I don't remember any of it, scary stuff
ya that shit is def scary
Hi Dr Brian, any thoughts on the management of Edwin Diaz in the Puerto Rico vs Dominican Rep WBC game? It infuriated me that the coaches tried to pick him up and carry him off the field supporting him under the knees, before putting him in a wheelchair, even though it was after the game and there was no rush to move him. Why not just wait for the cart and the medical professionals to handle the situation that they are trained for without potentially causing further injury?
Thanks for the insight man. That’s really crazy stuff how the brain can leave him in fighting mode but not allow him to realize that he was knocked out or that the cage is full of people
This really is how it should be. Early stop and the fighter can fight again maybe get a rematch, late stoppage they may never fight again.
Much respect to the many quality referees and the fighters who know when to stop, I hate seeing that "I was giving him a chance to be a warrior" excuse *cough* Herb Dean *cough* Mario "If he died he dies" Yamasaki
Mario Yamasaki is the most dangerous man to ever enter the cage.
I was fearing the worst, I was so scared, God bless this guy, I hope he's ok, it was very very hard to watch :(
It's gonna be alright.
I think his pre fight winning mindset and the desire of not giving up by any means whilst performing in front of his own crowd played a significant part too, on top of a concussion.
Goddard is one of the best refs in the business. It was not a late stoppage. I believe this could not have been handled any better in that moment. Hope this fighter recovers 💯
Great review of this fight. Always look for these reviews when there is an incident like this during a fight card. Thanks
Thanks Dr Brian, love your channel, one of my favorite sports channels and medical channels on TH-cam
Damn that's some scary stuff. Dude had no idea what he was doing
And he was well trained enough that he was still making strong moves.
@Jin Kee his insticts as a fighter was still there.
not gonna lie i was worried! i have obviously seen a KO'd fighter sleepfight a ref for a few seconds, but never that long.
Goddard did great at that stage of the procession, not doing anything aggressive and trying to talk as calmingly as possible in his ear, while making sure he couldn't hurt himself and get out from the cage wall.
As you say at the end, aggression could also be the result of a serious brain injury. Can you cover that, too, Brian, in regards to why you think it isn't a serious brain injury and what you'd expect to see if it was a serious brain injury? I'm guessing the aggression just wouldn't stop if it was more serious?
With concussion injuries like this, would you be happy to just observe the athlete or would you consider imaging? I imagine the duration of symptoms would be an important factor in deciding between the two, but I'm keen to know how you would approach such a case. Thanks
As someone who watches a lot of fights and doesn't like to see early stoppages this was one of the ones that I can go either way on. The reason I lean towards a late stoppage is it's the refs job to protect the fighters from unnecessary damage. The shot he took and the way he hit the floor smacking the back of his head along with not doing a good job of defending himself... I could go on. I wouldn't have said anything if it was stopped earlier...but then we'd be hearing it was an early stoppage. No way to win being the ref in that moment.
Pure instinct. That shows it was NOT a late stoppage. He was totally out of it.
Good breakdown. People often think that concussions happen in fights when the fighter goes completely out but many fighters suffer concussions even while winning the fight.
Basically, going out doesn't guarentee a concussion and not going out doesn't save you from a concussion.
Just a 1 example, when the korean zombie fought Brian Ortega he got hit with a hard spinning elbow that sat him down and he got back up and fought to a decision.
After the fight Zombie said in interviews that he does not remember the last 3 rounds of the fight.
He 100% got concussed judging from the memory loss but still got up and kept fighting.
To sum it up, concussions are weird.
I don't remember his name, but this reminds me of the boxer who started boxing a corner. Unfortunately he died later that day from a brain bleed. All these fighters put their bodies on the line
Nah that was worse, man was lit fighting thin air In that boxing vid
Simo Buthelezi was his name I believe
Rip
The South Africa one? Boxing can be way more scary since you don't always get stopped like taking a couple 2x4s to the head. You get the "straw that broke the camel's back" that just accumulate.
@Sbmuss bro it was really bad, you’re not seeing the whole thing - it was pretty scary because i’m 100% sure he was out at least 8 punched before stoppage, plus he smacked the back of his head really bad on the floor. he was trying to fight for at least 2/3 minutes after he was out
Scariest clip I've seen was this fighter who kept fighting the air and then died.
my first thought when i saw pattersons reaction. scary!
really trying to find a health update on him, but he is going to be okay!
Oh yeah in south africa head trauma is no joke.
I'm sure that's the case everywhere mei brur.
This could be really dangerous for the person being attacked, especially if they are untrained or of significantly lesser skill. Repercussions could be quite severe.
What's up doc? I was wondering if you could do a video on Conor's leg and how the stabilizing pin(s) might affect his fighting, his movement, his ability to take and receive damage, etc...? Specifically, what are the possible advantages and disadvantages of coming in with internal hardware? Maybe you have already done such a video?
This dude has seen everything, nothing can surprise this doctor anymore.
I've been knocked out and whenever I wake up I'm terrified it's no joke. I go into fight mode more than I ever have when the first fight started
Hey Doc, love watching your videos! Could you please breakdown the kneebar on Mokaev?
This happened to me when I got hit on the back of my head I couldn't remember what happened or where I was or what day or date... It took me nearly two weeks to fully recover
What a interesting video! I'm really liking this videos that aren't just about some specific injury but are about what's happening in a phenomenon like this. Great video!
I'm glad you agree with me as far as it not being so obvious that it was a late stoppage. John Annick was very critical of this particular stoppage and I disagree with him. It's unfortunate, and certainly a bit shocking of a sight to see, but the ref stopped it as soon as he stopped intelligently defending himself.
Please do one of those for the Mokaev knee injury. Everybody is concerned that he might have ruined his career by not tapping. You`re the man !
He definitely made a mistake imo career wise imo
@Goony Tunes yeah that kneebar was really nasty and I watched his post fight press he said he heard more than four cracks and actually thought that his knee had been ripped out mane 🤦🏾♂️
Mokaevs stock dropped for me. He said he could beat Moreno and Pantoja but they would strangle him in the first round.
He's over rated imo, I felt this way after his Malcolm Gordon fight almost getting caught in an arm bar
@Goony Tunes he`s 22.
Prayers For Sam Patterson ❤❤❤
great video! can you break down mohammad mokaev's knee and how he survived? he also has injury update pictures on social media where his knee has swelled to the size of his head
Fuck that was such an unfortunate fight for Patterson, really hope he can come back from this
Refuses glove touch then gets hilariously obliterated.
Professional referee acting in a professional way. Props 💯
Please do a reaction to the mokaev leg lock 😳 I want to know what kind of damage was done and how that will affect his career in the long run
I’ve personally seen this happen to a Marine at MACE. Shit was wild.
Which fans were concerned? 😂😅 great stoppage by Marc. Any ‘non’ ref including myself would have let it go on. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 well done Ref
i was, it wasn’t a good stoppage whatsoever. it LOOKED like he was defending himself for a lot of the shots, but i think he was already out a long time because his body was stiffing up. just look at his eyes/face when he took the first shot and landed on the floor, he was out of it - took 7+ heavy punches which he shouldn’t have.
This was a crazy knockout! Stood me up!
Ashmouz is one of the hardest hitting guys on the scene. If he woulda kept going, Patterson would’ve been in a fence position after another 15 seconds
I never seen someone that knocked out for such a long time. The ref stopped this way to late!
Goddard handled it well. Held the guy and calmly talked to him.
This one was particularly hard to watch. I felt bad for this fighter. He took a lot of damage.
I doubt you’ll see this, but if you do, you should do a review on the knee bar that Muhammad Mokaev (from the prelims) was put in. His knee hyperextended and it was nasty!
Clearly Goddard got the stoppage absolutely spot on otherwise this man could have been seriously hurt 👌
One time, a buddy of mine got knocked out at this party. He woke up and thought it was 2 weeks ago. I let him think we were going out of town for the weekend, too, but we already did, lol.
Dr. I just want to know how Mokaev didn't tap on that Knee Bar! Also, how many ligaments he could had torn 😢
All of them.
Yeah this freaked me out live I've never seen someone try to fight the ref for that long before
Bro when I seen this live I felt like he should’ve stopped it EXACTLY when he did. He got knocked out and the last 2 elbows ripped his face apart.
dude, never seen something like this, very scary and certainly a very dark side of fighting, that we only got a glimpse via this incident
It's actually quite common, but doesn't usually last this long.
@Joe Schmoe that’s why he’s said he’s “never seen something like this.” We’ve all seen the classic shoot for a single on the ref after you’re out cold, but not this.
That Football player that collapsed from a heart arrhythmia was much scarier.
You should make a video on makaev's knee. What kind of damage could we be looking at?
Scared me when watching this live thank god for fantastic refs like Marc that know what’s going on
Marc looked so upset with himself.
can we get a Mokaev breakdown and what likely happend to his knee? man is a beast to still get his own sub after that kneebar he didnt tap to..
Incredible work comrade. 👏
Brian! Can you do a break down on what could be wrong with Mohamed Moklaev knee? His ACL and MCL, all of it has to be destroyed and he still got the win... He just put pictures up and he can't walk now and his left knee is swollen to three times the size. How long do you think he will be out??? Do you think he even can come back??? He would be like 13-0. The guy is a warrior
Can you please make a more indepth explanation on concussion like everything u know about the topic and perhaps good advices for the recovery period etc. Great input there by the way. Much appreciated
There's a rule that if a Fighter goes unconcious the Fight is over...but it happens all the time.
Thats a career stopping ko.....
That was a great stoppage.
I understood why he let it go when watching LIVE, but man he smacked the back of his head HARD when he went down. I knew he wasn't going to recover. Then watching him try to fight Goddard made me think of that south African boxer who turned towards the ref and started fighting air in the corner then died later from a brain hemorrhage.
This guy almost fought Goddard and people calls it an early stoppage. If anything, that was a pitch perfect stoppage.
As fight fans who knows some of stuff Goddard pulled
It’s sad he didn’t get a cleaner shot on Goddard
When he went down and failed to defend the first two follow up shots intelligently it was obvious to anyone who isnt a casual that it was over. Massive goddard L
There was a shot that bounced his head off the ground when he was mounted. That was probably what caused the concussive shock....not necessarily the punches.
Marc Goddard did the stoppage that Izzy was hoping for.
Reminds me of the time Tommy Morrisson started shadow boxing after hetting knocked out, thinking that the fight hadn’t started yet . Scary.
Fight fans have seen this before. His mind was still in the moment before he went unconscious.
The fight game is very dark.
Pedestrians and cops need to take this explanation by the doctor to heart….A person gets in an accident that involves head trauma (like a fight,car accident etc;), they may then try to fight you while you’re trying to help them…They may not be intentionally trying to harm you….A firearm presented in those situations adds a different threshold of danger, but cops especially need to view car accidents and such with a little more scrutiny, even if a firearm is simply “near” a person that’s disoriented.
Cops shoot first and ask questions later
@KaitouKaiju Yes….Too many in fact. That’s the point of my post.
I thought Goddard handled it well as some idiots might react aggressive but he was really calm.
Better than the "concussion protocol" farce we see in the NFL sometimes where guys go into the tent for 2 seconds then come back out.
Hey Doctor Brian, could you explain what happend to Mokaevs knee in the leglock? Looked really nasty...
I agree he was actively trying to defend himself until he turned on to his side and then Goddard stopped it .Never looks good when a kod fighter tries to continue but it's pretty common .
Goddard and the team did a great job 👏. I wonder if they rang the round ending bell if he would have snapper out of it sooner.
Early stoppage in my opinion, the dude was protecting himself
Definitely a good stoppage by the referee!
This was not a questionable stoppage, he was getting smashed on , and these punches are coming from a trained professional, 6, 7 un answered punches from someone of this caliber can cause damage. Refs get alot of crap from people not realizing all they are doing is keeping the fighters safe to fight another day and not take too much damage. In this situation, the guy would have eventually been knocked out if he kept eating those shots. Good call by the ref
This same thing happened to me about 10 years ago after being coward punched in a bar. I don't remember any of it but I'm told I was trying to fight my friends as i came to
I’m sorry man ❤
@Cosa24 Unless you were the guy that hit me, don't be sorry.
Remember Fight Disciples (Adam Catterall and Nick Peet's podcast) talking about Patterson ahead of his Contender Series fight (think it was the same day Bo Nickal got his UFC contract).
Really sad this is how it turned out, but hopefully as you see it's no worse than a "normal" concussion at least.
you could see how it affected goddard afterwards. his arms covered in blood and just a sad look on his face.
Great discussion on concussions. Thanks for the information.
Thats a hard knockout to come back from, and it was his first fight in the ufc aswell😬 not a great start
He looked like he was trying to get passed the ref to get the opponent
This reminds me when Rock lee body took over and continued to fight even though he was dazed like this man
I'd love to hear you break down Mokaev knee bar. His knee got absolutely shredded and is swollen like a grapefruit.. I can't believe he didn't tap.
He said he heard 4 cracks !
Doc you are the best love all of your content.
Dude was knocked into a time loop. Hence the term "knocked for a loop". 🤕
It was a terrible stoppage. Mark has been there long enough to know what a conscious fight back looks like compared to your body moving cause you’re eating shots to the head and face
Plz do analysis of Mokaevs knee. Can not tapping to a knee-bar that bad affect your career
Some people say Max Rohskopf was quiter, but for me he was smart enough to save his own life
I think bringing in head coaches to talk to a fighter after a KO is a good idea, you could see an immediate response once the coach started talking.
Nobody can blame that kid
I’d fight the ref too if he let my opponent keep punching my face in
I can imagine this guy in his drs office with the fights on his computer 😂
I was at ufc 262 when there was a delayed knockout. Guy got hit but didn't drop till seconds later it was weird
I thought Mark G. Did an excellent job. I could tell he has been trained to deal with this exact reaction after a ko. Good on the ufc for maintaining a high level of Refereeing
you are joking right? Refs in the UFC are really, really bad. 1 ref will do nothing about 7 fence grabs, another will take a point away(not even a warning) for small fence grab, 1 ref will not stop the fight until fighter is concuss, another ref will stop the fight extremely early. etc, etc. some of it is human error, but alittle consistency would be nice. Also, it is not even up to the UFC for the refs, that is the athletic commision for the state the fight is in.
This was a good stoppage! Listen late, early, not stopping he can’t win for losing in one category or another! Mark Goedert is one of the very best referees in all of combat sports! Example Izzy got standing TKO’d and people were saying early stoppage and it was a perfect stoppage and the time was given till it was time to call it. Sean Brady was standing TKO’d and people were calling it an early stoppage. Meanwhile, Sean Brady took 17-18 unanswered strikes, and the referee in Abu Dhabi stopped the fight exactly when he should have! These men and women do a great job 98% of the time! If one thinks they can do a much better job I’m sure you could get licensed and take up the profession!
Dude is 6’3 and cuts to 155. He got James Vick’d. These guys really try to be weight bullies and get knocked out in the worst way.
I was waiting for this one ☝🏼 Thanks Doc!
This is likely a brain seizure where the brain turns on and off thinking he is still in the fight