Ships of the Imperial Japanese Army - Much Maru About Something

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  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  3 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Pinned post for Q&A :)

    • @thomasozel4889
      @thomasozel4889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      During WWII, how much information would German interrogators tend to have about captured naval personnel? Many captured Allied airmen were astonished at how much their interrogators already knew about their careers and squadrons. Did captured Allied sailors go through similar experiences?

    • @TheReaper569
      @TheReaper569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Did the navy have tanks and vehicles and such?

    • @themightynanto3158
      @themightynanto3158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Was the sinking of the soviet submarine ShCh-305 by finnish submarine Vetehinen by ramming, the only time in history when one submarine sank another by ramming? Or did this happen more than once in history?

    • @154Kilroy
      @154Kilroy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      What were some of the shortest lived warships sunk by enemy action?

    • @jamesmonks
      @jamesmonks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Where there any attempts before during or after the war to create more of a Japanese combined services and had anyone identified it as a weakness?

  • @judahjohnston9954
    @judahjohnston9954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1670

    "The blatant expansionism and aggression of the imperial Japanese navy will not go unchecked" - Imperial Japanese Army

    • @ShangZilla
      @ShangZilla 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      China: Let them fight.

    • @KardasheviteUltravisionary
      @KardasheviteUltravisionary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +152

      Meanwhile in America-
      -US Army/Marine Corps: Yo thanks for safely bringing us to the operation zone, Navy.
      -US Navy: No prob, got some ice cream for yall if you ever want it.

    • @garethbaus5471
      @garethbaus5471 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@KardasheviteUltravisionary I thought the US Marines and navy had a moderate rivalry during WWII

    • @KardasheviteUltravisionary
      @KardasheviteUltravisionary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      @@garethbaus5471 They did, but they still were able to work with each other effectivley; unlike the IJA and IJN.

    • @samiamrg7
      @samiamrg7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      + Kardashevite Ultravisionary But the Navy and Marines are the same branch? Of course their rivalry could never be very severe?

  • @jb76489
    @jb76489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +217

    The US army and navy have a rivalry like sports teams have a rivalry. The IJA and IJN had a rivalry like drug cartels

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Oh, it’s way worse than that. Their rivalry goes back all the way TO THE SENGOKU JIDAI (the areas where the IJA and IJN originated from were originally ruled by two of the big-name samurai clans: the Mouri and the Shimazu, which dominated western Honshu and Kyushu respectively and sometimes fought. Both clans still survive and live in these places)

    • @JohnnySmithWhite-wd4ey
      @JohnnySmithWhite-wd4ey ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The IJA and IJN hated each other more than they hated the Americans.

    • @ShebaFr
      @ShebaFr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@bkjeong4302 That topic was mentioned in the Isoroku Yamamoto movie of the 2010s. From what I recall, the 1930s were a coup d'etats all you can eat buffet, with all the assassinations that were rampant. A topic that still haunt japanese pop culture and why the ordinary Japanese would rather not entrust power to the military ever again.

  • @titobloodaxe1505
    @titobloodaxe1505 3 ปีที่แล้ว +505

    I like imagining that crane ship approaching an IJN battleship to "requisition" a turret for a nearby IJA shore emplacement.

    • @overboss9599
      @overboss9599 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      hey what are you doing get back noooooo. -Ise before conversion to a battlecarrier.

    • @muttproductions2536
      @muttproductions2536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I would like to imagine that, after seeing the IJA crane ship successfully "requisition" the Shinano into an aircraft carrier and the Ise into a battlecarrier, the remaining IJN battleships, especially Yamato and Musashi, would open a full broadside aimed at the crane ship, sending a brief signal to the crane ship, literally just before sending shells, that is basically the Japanese equivalent to "Eat shit and die!"

    • @SoshoKozadokaGojiraChargedUp
      @SoshoKozadokaGojiraChargedUp ปีที่แล้ว +3

      *Yoink.mp4*

    • @Slavic_Goblin
      @Slavic_Goblin ปีที่แล้ว

      @@muttproductions2536
      Of all the IJN ships that did change the amount and size of their turrets you picked Shinano that never had them.

    • @thecursed01
      @thecursed01 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Slavic_Goblin now you know why. making it an aircraft carrier was a quickly made up excuse so nobody would ask why there are no turrets XD

  • @edwarddunne2758
    @edwarddunne2758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1161

    Drachism of the day: "In short, they were rivals in everything up to, but not quite, including having a ritual Katana duel to the death whenever officers of the two services met."

    • @johntaylor7029
      @johntaylor7029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      I think I remember a few times officers had a one sided katana duel, but think that was in the same branch. Part of a power struggle.

    • @Kevin_Kennelly
      @Kevin_Kennelly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      17:17 "With the IJN loosing ships like they were running some kind of giant, very explosive, insurance scam." Blah blah blah..."Finding Nemo".

    • @windwalker5765
      @windwalker5765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      There were some assassination attempts, though.

    • @johntaylor7029
      @johntaylor7029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@windwalker5765 now that I think about it, I think some rowdy army guys tried to off Hirohito towards the end of the war. The Imperial military was wild.

    • @davidribeiro1064
      @davidribeiro1064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@johntaylor7029 Yep. They didn't want to surrender even after the atomic bombs had been dropped.

  • @andrewarmstrong7254
    @andrewarmstrong7254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    Movie pitch: The Army & Navy are fighting over the same thing. And only one thing can stop them: being sunk. Laughs. Conversions. Infighting. It's all in There's Something About Maru.

    • @dalancaster
      @dalancaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This is excellent

    • @496jamesc
      @496jamesc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brilliant!!!

  • @sergiojuanmembiela6223
    @sergiojuanmembiela6223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +370

    I am not sure that an IJN ship torpedoing and sinking an IJA ship counts as "own goal".
    Most probably they thought it was a double score.

    • @Daniel_1060
      @Daniel_1060 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      With the most probable exception would be the IJA, who would see this as a double loss

    • @aslamnurfikri7640
      @aslamnurfikri7640 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mogami sinking IJA ships didn't count as teamkill

    • @ryanzheng8804
      @ryanzheng8804 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @glennricafrente58
    @glennricafrente58 3 ปีที่แล้ว +389

    Their annual Army-Navy games must have been brutal.

    • @jasondouglas6755
      @jasondouglas6755 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      “ and number 15 of navy is making a run for the end zone, but 8 from the army is close behind swinging a Katana”

    • @colbeausabre8842
      @colbeausabre8842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @Hamish Banish The concept of team play was an advantage the US and British armed forces possesed

    • @TomFynn
      @TomFynn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Not so brutal as the executions of the losing team.

    • @lc9245
      @lc9245 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@colbeausabre8842 The rest simply didn't have the budget. Imagine if you need to fight for 100 dollars. The brutality of the combat would depend on how much people already have. If everyone has a few hundred thousands then nobody would care. If they have a few dollars, then it's a fight to the death. The U.S. and U.K were the richest nations at the time, so a bit less budget will not lead to the branches assassinating each other leaders, started a war on its own initiative and so on.
      Japan happened to have all of the ingredients that led to the most serious case of rivalry. Their budget is tiny because they didn't have much natural resources, their military was seen as "saviours" because their conquest provided wealth, they were fanatical because of their culture and lastly, their geography split their military strategy perfectly in half, with the proximity to fertile mainland Asia favoured by the Army, while being an island nation in striking range of the Pacific chains and South East Asia made the Navy salivate.
      Speaking of which, of all the leaders, Hitler had the right idea to create the OKH and OKW to take control of all military assets across branches for operations. However, it then created a rivalry between the OKH and OKW. We just can't win against tribalism.

    • @FireFox_60
      @FireFox_60 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Imagine the war games “oh sorry was that a real shell oops”

  • @tamer1773
    @tamer1773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +453

    IJ Army: "We want our own navy!"
    IJ Navy: "Good luck with that!"
    US Navy: "Good luck with that!"

    • @ReptilianLepton
      @ReptilianLepton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      US Army: "Mine's bigger!"
      Even today, the Army operates hundreds of watercraft from inflatable rafts up to 5000-ton direct-to-shore landing ships. And that's not counting the Army Corps of Engineers' assets.

    • @tamer1773
      @tamer1773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@ReptilianLepton Similar to the US Navy having the second largest air force in the world.

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@ReptilianLepton Ehhh yes and no? During WW2, the US would definitely had have more transport and small crafts. But the IJA had a literal small navy. They had de facto carriers and amphibious assault ships. They also operated the escort ships, and various small submarines. The US army can't compare in that regard

    • @colbeausabre8842
      @colbeausabre8842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@neurofiedyamato8763 The US Army had a destroyer. The Corps of Engineers operated a "Hyacinth Destroyer" on the Mississippi and in Florida. The Army also had a flotilla of Mine Planters ("planting" controlled mines instead of "laying" uncontrolled ones - a neat technical distinction) operated by the Coast Artillery. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_planter. The Engineers deployed some of their dredges overseas to keep captured ports operational and to develop new ones. They also operated Port Repair Ships to put captured ports back in operation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_Engineer_Port_Repair_ship. The Signal Corps operated Cable Layers and Radio Ships - as a matter of fact, the USAS Apache broadcast MacArthur's "I have returned" speech to the world
      www.navsource.org/archives/12/1217991405.jpg The Army also operated many more hospital ships and earlier in the war than the Navy
      Want more info (more than just hospital ships despite title)? military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_United_States_Army#Hospital_ships

    • @allangibson2408
      @allangibson2408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ReptilianLepton The US Army operated more ships than the US Navy during WW2…

  • @fahrimaulana2789
    @fahrimaulana2789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +479

    Ah yes the Japanese Navy Naming Sense:
    1 Maru But Carrying Supplies
    2 Maru But Carrying Troops
    3 Maru But It's Small
    4 Maru But It's Bigger

    • @joshwilliams9843
      @joshwilliams9843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      lmao, mostly accurate

    • @bothewolf3466
      @bothewolf3466 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      "Maru" just means "circular", its like a good-luck charm to ensure the ship comes back home after a successful trip. Its still very common in naming t today's civilian ships in Japan.

    • @drewdederer8965
      @drewdederer8965 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@bothewolf3466 And apparently in the future, if Star Trek is to be believed.

    • @jaehaerys48
      @jaehaerys48 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Ironically, the modern Japanese Navy didn't (and still doesn't, if we look at the JMSDF) use "Maru" all that much. The Army used "Maru," and civilians still use it today, but the IJN didn't use it for warships - which is why we don't hear "Yamato Maru" or "Akagi Maru."

    • @jalpat2272
      @jalpat2272 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      and almost Every destroyers using word kaze (wind) made them sound uniformly cute.

  • @leogazebo5290
    @leogazebo5290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +498

    Wish there was an independent Imperial Airforce to join the rivalry, imagine them commissioning a flying tank or a plane that works underwater like the one in the US lmao.

    • @anthonyanderson5302
      @anthonyanderson5302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      I mean the Russians did that with the Antonov A-40. Granted it's a glider but still

    • @khaelamensha3624
      @khaelamensha3624 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Well we just would to have to wait the 3 services fight to the death to win the war 😂

    • @mikhailiagacesa3406
      @mikhailiagacesa3406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You mean like Fascist Italy?

    • @HansLasser
      @HansLasser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Limitless possibilities 😎

    • @fede98k54
      @fede98k54 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@mikhailiagacesa3406 When you have to use airplane engines in tanks, cause they're too weak for airplanes anyway, and you only have one factory to build engines, but here comes the big fuck all navy with 90% of the budget asking for more torpedo boats: yep it's gamer time xD

  • @briannicholas2757
    @briannicholas2757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +806

    The shocking commentary in this video was that a us submarine actually torpedoed and sunk a ship in 1942, given the terrible performance of our torpedoes.

    • @johnbuchman4854
      @johnbuchman4854 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      The non Mark XIV torpedoes worked well.

    • @johnshepherd9676
      @johnshepherd9676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@johnbuchman4854 Not all early Mk 14 failed. The early AIM-7s were the Mk 14 of the Vietnam War but you will still see a lot of Sparrow kills recorded in the 1965-68 period.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Aside from the S-boats that used the Mk 10, the Mk 14 had a success rate of around 20%. If it was lower maybe they would have investigated earlier.

    • @Right-Is-Right
      @Right-Is-Right 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      The only thing that surprised me was the US did not figure out they needed five time the torpedo tubes to make up for the 20% accuracy, it must only be the deck they liked to cover in weapons.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Right-Is-Right The standard fleet type sub design was nailed down pre-war: six tubes forward, four tubes aft.

  • @victoriacyunczyk
    @victoriacyunczyk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    Theory: The fourth Yamato was requested by the IJA.

    • @tominiowa2513
      @tominiowa2513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      There are four Yamato class battleships in High School Fleet. 😉

    • @greycatturtle7132
      @greycatturtle7132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Interesting

    • @themanformerlyknownascomme777
      @themanformerlyknownascomme777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@tominiowa2513 and the plans called for five to be built in reality

    • @thanakonpraepanich4284
      @thanakonpraepanich4284 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yonaga?

    • @themanformerlyknownascomme777
      @themanformerlyknownascomme777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @KvAT actually all five got layed down, but hull number 5 was only like 12% complete (hull 4 was 22% at least if I'm remembering correctly)

  • @driftertank
    @driftertank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    The Japanese military branches in WW2 remind me of the scene from Monty Python's "Life of Brian" where the 2 insurgent groups meet and fight while infiltrating Pilate's home.
    "We should be uniting together against our common enemy!"
    "The Judean People's Front?!"
    "No! The Romans!"

  • @Self-replicating_whatnot
    @Self-replicating_whatnot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +243

    IJA ships and probably IJN armed forces... Reminds me of this old joke:
    - "Redistribute all the land to the workers, and all the factories to the peasants"
    - "Uh, maybe you meant the other way around?"
    - "Already tried the other way around, it ended badly"

    • @magnemoe1
      @magnemoe1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That is more of an communist thing.
      And yes Stalin himself raged against the idiocy going on like collective farms officials fighting over who crops to plant until autumn.
      Now this was probably by Stalin tendency to kill all who failed something so lets to nothing.
      It probably did not work but it require no work or resources so you could use your time steal stuff to use as bribes later.
      So way way more dysfunctional the the Japanese during WW2.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@magnemoe1 The Soviets just had way more land and resources (including peasants) to fall back on than Japan.

  • @77thTrombone
    @77thTrombone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +259

    Japanese Army-Navy Rivalry: Sown in the bed of an ancient clanfeud, grown in the sands of time, nurtured in the light of the emperor.
    _As long as your society's most powerful factions have natural enemies, your position over the factions is secure._

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Junior officers of both groups plotted to assassinate the Emperor in the 1930s...

    • @dougreid2351
      @dougreid2351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This "let the dogs fight" style of "management" was visible in the US Army even at the beginning of this century, alas.

    • @Snp2024
      @Snp2024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Which 2 clans?

    • @WildBillCox13
      @WildBillCox13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well said. Kudos to you from a veteran poet.

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The emperor was mostly a figurehead.

  • @Skreezilla
    @Skreezilla 3 ปีที่แล้ว +274

    IJN: Ahha we now have a landing craft capable of carrying a Medium tank!!!
    Now... We just need to make a medium tank.

    • @Ciborium
      @Ciborium 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Half a century later, Wargambling will design some for them.

    • @jonrolfson1686
      @jonrolfson1686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@Ciborium War gambling?
      - Flashback to a famous scene in the 1942 movie Casablanca
      Rick : How can you close me up? On what grounds?
      Captain Renault : I'm shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.
      [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
      Croupier : Your winnings, sir.
      Captain Renault : [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
      Captain Renault : [aloud] Everybody out at once.

    • @mindwarp42
      @mindwarp42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      ... they actually did, the Type 3 Ka-Chi amphibious tank.

    • @stuglife5514
      @stuglife5514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jonrolfson1686 You missed the original joke didn’t you

  • @EyeKracker83
    @EyeKracker83 3 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    All I'm imagining is if the tables were turned, admiral Nimitz and general MacArthur beating the snot out of eachother over strategy differences
    Or admiral king having an arm wrestling match with the entire royal navy

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      🍿

    • @commanderknight9314
      @commanderknight9314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @CreedOfHeresy Forget Nimitz, King wanted to rip MacArther's head off.

    • @ph89787
      @ph89787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @CreedOfHeresy I heard that in addition to lacking the facilities. A reason why none of the US fleet carriers were sent to Australia for repairs during World War 2. Because Nimitz was worried MacArthur would steal them for his own uses.

    • @DraftySatyr
      @DraftySatyr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ph89787 You've got a double-negative in there ...

    • @ph89787
      @ph89787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DraftySatyr yeah i was writing the comment in a hurry.

  • @bryant7201
    @bryant7201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +357

    It is a sign of how antagonistic the two services were that the IJN's WW I experiences were in the areas of shore support (siege of Tsingtao) and convoy escort/ASW (with the brits in Med and Indian Ocean primarily. Exactly the two areas they neglected interwar & early WW 2. While the IJN obsession with Kantai Kessen also contributed, one cannot help but feel the disdain for the army contributed to the complete neglect of these fields.

    • @jaredrevis4594
      @jaredrevis4594 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Both services had the issue of being full of glory hounds. Things like logistics were always neglected, despite one of history's great naval geniuses, Akiyama Saneyuki, leaving the navy plenty of writing on it. If I remember correctly, something like 80% of army men went into the Infantry. The Navy, as we know, had the battleship as their obsession

    • @Grimmwoldds
      @Grimmwoldds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Keep in mind, it was a rivalry at higher levels. If you take a look at something like "The Miraculous Torpedo Squadron" you'll find that at lower levels the army and navy got along better. Navy pilots were used as ground attack in the early stages of the invasion of China(with appropriate support from the Army), while at places like Guadalcanal the army was completely dependent on the Navy for sea/air power. When Mori was shot down in the latter stages of the fight at Guadalcanal, he points out that everyone was stuck and starving, but shot down Navy pilots were being given priority evac(to hopefully get a new plane to fight the cactus air force)
      It goes to show you, nobody beats up my brother but me.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@jaredrevis4594 I wonder if the Navy was inclined to ignore the lessons that that Akiyama Saneyuki left to them (despite his impeccable record of naval service as an architect of their glorious victories in the Russo-Japanese War) because of his brother, the very prominent Army general Akiyama Yoshifuru.

    • @robertdrake4013
      @robertdrake4013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Have to that's on point 👉.

    • @razorburn645
      @razorburn645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It was also the army's fault things kept spiraling out of control in China which helped push them towards war with the US in the first place.

  • @daysofnoah1748
    @daysofnoah1748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I have only just recently learned that the reason Yamamoto spent all his time at Sea on the Yamato battleship was to avoid the army assassins who had threatened to take his life if he landed ! How crazy !

    • @owlsayssouth
      @owlsayssouth ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The ijn ninja clans were very busy fighting those ija ninja clans.

    • @panzerdeal8727
      @panzerdeal8727 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check out Tora Tora tora....That film points it out somewhat clearly...

  • @AtheistIII
    @AtheistIII 3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    Given the relation between the services I can't help but wonder if the IJA kept the Seishu Maru around hoping they could sneak up to a Kongo one night and just steal a turret...

  • @mattmopar440
    @mattmopar440 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Perun sent me here for homework :) always a good time to rewatch an old Drach video

  • @vermas4654
    @vermas4654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    And I thought the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine hated each other... This takes it to a whole other level

    • @AdamMGTF
      @AdamMGTF 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      In fairness the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe weren't too bad. Just Goering not sharing his toys (read political power).
      It was the Heer and the SS that were real rivals.
      Two army's. What you get in a dictatorship I guess 🤣.

    • @generalripper7528
      @generalripper7528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@AdamMGTF To be fair, I doubt that any of Germany's services were too fond of the SS. My grandfather, born in 1927, was supposed to be drafted into the Waffen SS. His father (WWI veteran) told him to volunteer for the Heer instead as an officer cadet (Fähnrich), which he did. His older brother was a Lt. on a U-Boat. He survived the war, but his older brother and father (civilian & killed in the bombing of Engelskirchen) didn't.

    • @AdamMGTF
      @AdamMGTF 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@generalripper7528 thank you for sharing that. It was such a tragic war for Germany. I know that the German nation was "the bad guy". And yes. Horrible things happened. But in the end the German people suffered horribly thanks to Hitler and the Nazis.
      I'd say 'lets hope it doesn't happen again'. But I won't hold my breath, it's happened and is happening across the world.

    • @generalripper7528
      @generalripper7528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@AdamMGTF Yes.. my grandfather became a pacifist after the war. He became a lawyer and worked for the West German government, where he worked together with British, French and American colleagues. He says that the Nazis have smeared Germany's name in the world and that he is shocked how quickly the new generations forget what war really entails and what advancements have been made in weapons technology compared to WWII. It's his 94th birthday at the end of the month.

  • @michaelminch5490
    @michaelminch5490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Considering the extent of the infighting and backstabbing between the IJA and IJN, I'm astonished that Japan fared as well as it did and accomplished what it did during WW II. In modern parlance, what a complete clustercuss.

    • @apexxxx10
      @apexxxx10 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Modern Parlance*

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    US Army to Navy: Bro, would it be awesome if we fly B-25s off one of your Carriers?
    Imperial Japanese Army to Navy: *How DARE you suggest we work together with the enemy?*

    • @hourlardnsaver362
      @hourlardnsaver362 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Also US Navy: Hey, can we launch your P-47s off our escort carriers and use them as CAP?
      US Army: Aight, go ahead. Just don’t scratch the paint.

  • @Correction_Guy
    @Correction_Guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    IJA Arizona Maru, sunk by american dive bomber
    USS Arizona, sunk by japanese dive bomber
    now they're even

    • @greycatturtle7132
      @greycatturtle7132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Actually, it was a "Kate" Nakajima B5N horizontal/torpedo bomber on the BB, at 10,000 feet dropping a modified 16" AP shell.

    • @Correction_Guy
      @Correction_Guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gregorywright4918 my bad

    • @davidvasquez08
      @davidvasquez08 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Correction_Guy close enough, we’ll let it slide for the sake of the joke

    • @vikkimcdonough6153
      @vikkimcdonough6153 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      IJA: "No fair! That was the _Navy's_ fault!"

  • @Bird_Dog00
    @Bird_Dog00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Drachism of the week:
    (on assault ships converted to whalers) "Gratifyingly, I'm happy to report that those vessels sprang leaks and sank into the antarctic waters in the early fifties."
    Can't argue with that...

    • @Ensign_Cthulhu
      @Ensign_Cthulhu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The whales will be grateful; purveyors of fine, rare sushi not so much.

  • @seanbissett-powell5916
    @seanbissett-powell5916 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Coming on April 1st: an in depth video by Drachnifel on the IJA's Kobayashi Maru.

    • @mikhailiagacesa3406
      @mikhailiagacesa3406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      heh...

    • @Trek001
      @Trek001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      There is a real life ship named that sailing today - a cargo ship

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A "Q" ship with underwater Long Lance tubes and tons of 25mm AA guns?

  • @jamessmithson99
    @jamessmithson99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I sort of feel like if I was a Japanese flag officer, I would have doubts of victory when Service Squadron 6 was not only pulling battleships and fleet carriers up on the mobile dry dock, but among the fleet of repair and resupply ships, they had an ice cream ship. Plus when I read Gen Kenney's book and he describes going from barely getting 18 bombers up for a raid in 42, by 44 he has so many planes for landings he would detail off 70 of them for insect spraying operation during the landings.

  • @briannicholas2757
    @briannicholas2757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Great Drachism likening the us submarine fleet around japan to the seagulls in Finding Nemo.
    I'm picturing a bunch of boat captains on their radios saying:
    "Mine, mine, mine, mine,..."

  • @markam306
    @markam306 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    The IJA also had Yu class transport submarines, aka Maru Yu, or officially: Type 3 submergence transport vehicle.
    These were ~300 ton vessels, 38 boats were completed before the end of the war, many more were incomplete. The many classes of Japanese submarines would make a good video topic.

    • @STScott-qo4pw
      @STScott-qo4pw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      try japan's I - 400 series boats. submarine carriers (?!) with usually three seiran float planes aboard in a hangar and parts to assemble a fourth. no one knew they existed till they surrendered.

    • @mkt6060
      @mkt6060 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes, it's an excellent video but it left out the Army's submarines.

    • @Shojikitsune1
      @Shojikitsune1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This would be a great topic to look at in depth!

  • @fguocokgyloeu4817
    @fguocokgyloeu4817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    So if all the IJA ships were sunk and they couldn't be transported to and from pacific bases, was the Army maruned?

  • @cannonfodder4376
    @cannonfodder4376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Considering that Hideki Tojo's first reaction to the news of the Navy's catastrophe at Midway was barely concealed mirth and shadenfrued... says a lot.
    But that intro. 😂😂 If it were not so tragic all this info would be great comedy skit material.

    • @andrewgause6971
      @andrewgause6971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Considering the atrocities both the IJA and IJN were responsible for, I wouldn't call it tragic. Instead, I say go ahead and make that skit in full "Springtime for Hitler"/Producers style mockery.

    • @MikeLabauve
      @MikeLabauve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What about the 1000000 tons of Japanese wooden Maru transports. That's a great story

    • @WildBillCox13
      @WildBillCox13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheTutch We're all struggling to fill in gaps. Thanks for the correction.

    • @GenocideWesterners
      @GenocideWesterners 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where does this information come from ?
      Whenever I search about this, I cant find anything on the internet.
      Can anyone pls send me a link ?

    • @cannonfodder4376
      @cannonfodder4376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GenocideWesterners If I recall correctly, this info I referenced came from Shattered Sword. A fantastic book about Midway.

  • @OtherWorldExplorers
    @OtherWorldExplorers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I served in the Navy and we always had a rivalry with the Marines
    But when it came time to do business we need one thing we always supported the boots on the ground.

    • @MashMonster69
      @MashMonster69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Amen brother (former ossn CVN 71)

    • @OtherWorldExplorers
      @OtherWorldExplorers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MashMonster69 Former DS3 CV-64. 90 - 96.
      Lift a cold one for those who can't brother.

    • @tominiowa2513
      @tominiowa2513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      One of the secondary 5-inch gun turrets on the Iowa class was traditionally manned by Marines.

    • @living2ndchildhood347
      @living2ndchildhood347 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And then there is always the Coast Guard which binds the Navy together during wartime. We Coasties are always ready to put the Marines on and off of hostile beaches!

    • @OtherWorldExplorers
      @OtherWorldExplorers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@living2ndchildhood347 I went on Coast Guard cutter in Hawaii. I have to say you guys run a tight ship. It was immaculate. Almost made me feel a little bit dumpy.

  • @victoriacyunczyk
    @victoriacyunczyk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    IJA ships: Just as much of torpedo magnets as IJN ships. Don't tell either that they have something in common.

    • @Tomyironmane
      @Tomyironmane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Fortunately for them both (at least early in the war), they were facing the American Mk. 14 Torpedo, and had the U.S. Ordinance Bureau as a staunch ally.

    • @stuffzie8329
      @stuffzie8329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Tomyironmane BuOrd to the resc- hol up.

  • @jaredmcfadden7793
    @jaredmcfadden7793 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ve watched uncle Drach for years and yet Perun landed me here

  • @jdelark6428
    @jdelark6428 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've known very little about this rivalry other than it existed. Thanks for this intriguing clip.
    And yep, Perun directed me to this clip.

  • @De_Wit
    @De_Wit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Sound quality was good.
    Your dig at the Japanese whailer fleet was as cristal clear as one would like.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Their whaling fleet seemed emulate the Essex. "And this years winner of the Pequod Award is........"

    • @nukclear2741
      @nukclear2741 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      At least the Russians didn’t have a big navy at the time. And the whaler fleet wasn’t a fishing fleet.

  • @korbell1089
    @korbell1089 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    IJN:"Have you seen my new landing craft? It can carry not one but two tanks!"
    AJA:"Yeah but have you seen our new ships, the carrier maru? And they have an advantage over most of your carriers."
    IJN:"What's that?"
    IJA:"They're still afloat!"

  • @Quadrenaro
    @Quadrenaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The story of the Navy vs Army rivalry never gets old. It really is just so freaking wild.

  • @rvincentsogrub9975
    @rvincentsogrub9975 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    This topic is a odd twist and turns that feels like a movie skit.
    An unexpected topic to be sure, but definitely a welcomed one.

    • @jonrolfson1686
      @jonrolfson1686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      'The Wackiest Ship in the Army' - A vaguely WWII based comedy film of 1960. By the second decade after the war the still youngish veterans (at least of the US, UK, and Commonwealth forces) seemed determined that the popular rewrite of the war would include a very substantial element of slapstick comedy.

  • @curiobill
    @curiobill 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Who were the officers on the IJA ships who actually operated & sailed the ships? Did they just assign infantry officers to the wheelhouse and just hope for the best!? Thanks for another unique video on an excellent and unique channel!

    • @victoriacyunczyk
      @victoriacyunczyk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'd think they would be in the same category as the crews on transports.

    • @elysiankentarchy1531
      @elysiankentarchy1531 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      They shanghaied the necessary crewmen from the Imperial Japanese Navy.

    • @ivan5595
      @ivan5595 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      IJA had a "navy" called 船舶部, there were sailors called 船舶兵。

    • @colbeausabre8842
      @colbeausabre8842 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Curiobill In the US Army the licensed personnel on large ships are warrant officers. Boats are run by non-commissioned officers.

    • @allangibson2408
      @allangibson2408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Like the US Army, the IJA had a marine transport staff. (The US Army operated more ships in WW2 than the US Navy).

  • @den_see
    @den_see 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Didnt know the Japanese Navy - Army rivalry, at least in terms of equipment, went this far. Nice work!

    • @davidbrennan660
      @davidbrennan660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      The Americans were the least of their problems.
      The Japanese Infantry/Marines were issued a Shoulder bag /Haversack, it had a belt support hook, to help stop it bouncing when running..the IJA and IJN had the hooks facing in opposite directions to each others patterns.... yeah.

    • @Ealsante
      @Ealsante 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      They have been each other's oldest enemy, since even before the Meiji Restoration.

    • @Scooternjng
      @Scooternjng 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It went even deeper than that. I recall reading, and for the life of me I can't remember the name of the book, that the IJA would ignore the draft deferments of works in IJN shipyards and manufacturers.

    • @ToreDL87
      @ToreDL87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      They even assassinated each other.

    • @STScott-qo4pw
      @STScott-qo4pw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ToreDL87 reminds me of the old kgb and gru (military intelligence directorate/soviet general staff) loathing of one another. while the kgb could be relied upon for a bit of sense in ops - no need to kill? then don't - the gru agents were born and bred killers. robots. according to soviet practice, each service chief and subordinates were instructed they couldn't murder the other's agents - without sanction...

  • @nicholas209
    @nicholas209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Ah yes, another topic I know an embarrassing amount about already because of Kantai Collection. Hearing Daihatsus mentioned was nice given how frequently they're used in KC, both for extra resource gathering and the original purpose of amphibious assaults. You can even get Toku Daihatsus.
    Shinshuu Maru had a lot of different code names during her construction. She was called Godland (a literal translation of Shinshuu) Maru and Ryuujou Maru, among others. I'm glad Drach mentioned her getting torped by Mogami, because Mogami friendly fire stories are always hilarious.
    Akitsu Maru having a proper flight deck gave her a pretty useful niche in the early days of the game. Since routing rules between battles would sometimes prevent bringing carriers, and Akitsu Maru could launch fighters, she was frequently used to provide air cover. Eventually the devs wised up and started including rules to exclude her as well.

    • @mindwarp42
      @mindwarp42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Best part about knowing a bit about this thanks to Kancolle (besides it making utter sense that Akitsu was the first ship in-game to come with a Daihatsu as base equipment) is bringing up the linked Wikipedia pages about the various landing crafts and confirming that Drach used an IJN one at the beginning. The Type 2 Ka-Mi amphibious tank was based on work the IJA had done to try to make an amphibious tank, and the IJN did use an IJA tank as their starting point for the Ka-Mis, but the result was an IJN vehicle.
      Thankfully no Installation Princesses are watching this - DJ Hime would be screaming as she remembers how Daihatsus/Tankhatsus/Ka-Mis wreck her. 🤣

    • @dairyking2479
      @dairyking2479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Akitsu-maru a cute!

    • @ThrowawayModeller
      @ThrowawayModeller 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Every time a familiar KanMusu appeared or the equipment I had an "AHHHH" moment since I remember such stuff. Interesting to hear the complete backstory of it all

    • @kangmw94
      @kangmw94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      流石艦これだなぁ!! 艦隊 コレクション、萬歳!! ww 😆😆🤣🤣

    • @ghostarmy1106
      @ghostarmy1106 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Me, an azur lane player: *SCREAMS IN TERROR*
      Jk, ironically it was kantai collections lack of an official international version that got me into AL

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    And all the USN had as a rival was the BuOrd

    • @ph89787
      @ph89787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Where incompetence meets treason.

    • @STScott-qo4pw
      @STScott-qo4pw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ouch

    • @tcpratt1660
      @tcpratt1660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Admiral King would possibly have picked the Royal Navy over BuOrd as first rival.

    • @davidvasquez08
      @davidvasquez08 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tcpratt1660 definitely 😂😂😂

  • @ed777tx-edward8
    @ed777tx-edward8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I like your reports they are informative, factual, interesting, etc. enjoy them a lot. As a kid I lived on the ocean, in Canada, and remember after ww11, the Japanese transports that came and loaded up with pyrite for the Japanese market. We could go aboard and the crew would give us cheap knockoff items from an emerging Japanese industry. Long time ago. Nice video thank you.

  • @tedferkin
    @tedferkin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    This all explains how Japan thoroughly managed to fail landings on the Chinese mainland in my last HOI4 run. Absolutely no coordination between army and navy, beaten off be a few determined garrison troops with minor aircraft fire support, and the investment into a couple levels of shore defences.

    • @commissarkordoshky219
      @commissarkordoshky219 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Honestly! The *Chileans* can do it better when they try to take Equador!

    • @OtterTreySSArmy
      @OtterTreySSArmy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Japan usually fails in my HOI4 games because the Chinese manage to get their hands on bloody Panthers despite me not being Allied to them when playing Germany. No idea how they get them but just about every time they get them.

    • @presidentmerkinmuffley6769
      @presidentmerkinmuffley6769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@OtterTreySSArmy How you say? Ancient Chinese Secret.

    • @KitsuneRogue
      @KitsuneRogue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@OtterTreySSArmy It's probably a one-sided event that only requires China to not be at war with Germany. PDX games has a ridiculous amount of those kind of events.

    • @artificialintelligence8328
      @artificialintelligence8328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      honestly the game simplifies the rivalry to a simple national spirit. If you're being beaten by an AI in landings you're doing something really wrong. It's basically always better to land on adjacent tiles/provinces and attack the ports then.

  • @50043211
    @50043211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I knew that they were devided but I never knew to what extend. This is literally madness with a system!

  • @AnimarchyHistory
    @AnimarchyHistory 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Much Maru about something. Goddammit you’re killing me here man.

  • @rgm96x49
    @rgm96x49 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    On the flip side, the Imperial Japanese Navy also had their own infantry and air units!

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The land-based bomber units of IJN were a significant part of IJN, they took out Prince of Wales and Repulse on Day 3. Fear that the US land-based air might be as good as them may have driven Nagumo to retreat from Pearl after the first strikes.
      The IJN "marine corps", the SNLF, were only good as occupation forces and showed their poor capabilities in opposed landing at Wake.

    • @russdority6295
      @russdority6295 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So did U.S.N.

    • @thanakonpraepanich4284
      @thanakonpraepanich4284 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gregorywright4918
      Was it also that IJA Air Force was modeled after Luftwaffe which did not have strategic bombing units either?
      Yamamoto's vision for Navy land base bombers were also for strategic bombing first, close air support second for what I remember.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thanakonpraepanich4284 I suspect the IJAAF was influenced most by Germany, as that was the primary advisor they sought out. Practically, they did not have the same level of control over field units as the Wehrmacht - the Kwantung Army was constantly doing things Tokyo did not want them to, including starting a serious shooting incident with the Russians in 1939.
      From what I have read of Yamamoto's thoughts on land-based bombers, there was NO strategic level to his planning - support of the fleet was the primary objective, particularly the First Phase of the Decisive Battle plan.

    • @cariopuppetmaster
      @cariopuppetmaster ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@gregorywright4918no the SNLF for at least the first 2 years were quite good

  • @Token_Civilian
    @Token_Civilian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Fascinating. To this day, the history of failure within Imperial Japan (lack of army / navy cooperation and a unified national strategy) and Nazi Germany (incoherent production policy, two front war, etc) make me wonder what it would have been like had these two enemy nations actually realized their full military potential & executed to a more coherent strategy. Thankfully neither did.

    • @spirz4557
      @spirz4557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The war would've just lasted longer.

    • @josten8044
      @josten8044 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I see the Russo-Japanese War as Imperial Japan's greatest moment. The interservice rivalry (as far as I know) was not as bad or had much affect on Japan's overall progress. The army and navy both fought well against the Russians, who themselves had their moments, but in the end Japan achieved a hard fought victory. But a shame for Japan that Russia's only victory was the peace conference, that alone didn't help the West in the future or tie down the war-hawks in Imperial Japan.

    • @789know
      @789know 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@josten8044Army and navy in that war do their own things without interfering with each other too much and they didn't yet have argument regarding where to expand next.
      Japan especially on land lose a lot of men in the war and they are nearly bankrupt by the war. If Russia drag the wr longer it will no longer be in Japan advantage. Especially after reinforcement and with more competent general on Russia part arrive(General on land from the Russian side were incompetent, they were the same men that cause Tannenberg)
      Japan was kind of force to accept the terms. If the war last longer, Japan will be bankrupt

    • @josten8044
      @josten8044 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@789knowThe point I was making was that the Imperial Army and Navy had seen success and how a previous conflict shaped their thinking. And I doubt the Russians would have kept the war going for much longer anyway, sure Japan was hemorrhaging money, but the Russian people had no will to fight in foreign lands and had zero faith in the Romanovs, I'm in line to think the Russians would have come to terms in fear of a major civil crisis.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Had they executed a more coherent strategy, either they would have ganged up on the Soviets and ignored the West or they would have made nice and not gone to war at all. Germany First was the Allied motto; Russia First should have been the Axis motto.

  • @Hobbie375
    @Hobbie375 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Perun always seems to link to interesting topics

  • @stevewindisch7400
    @stevewindisch7400 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    The sound, eh, sounds great.
    The Akitsu Maru that was in the title photo, was the assault/escort carrier that carried the Kayaba Ka-1 Autogyro's for a time for anti-submarine patrol. They apparently worked well at spotting subs but never sank any themselves. Balao's damaged her in November 1943, then sank her in November '44 with over 2,040 men lost (she had been carrying troops). She appears to be the only operational wartime "Autogyro Carrier" in history (although the Japanese operated them on land as well). If the U.S. had fielded one, would they have termed it a "CG"? We will never know ;)

    • @WalterReimer
      @WalterReimer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      CW (for "Carrier, Whirligig")

    • @TonyStark-pu4il
      @TonyStark-pu4il 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      CVG,CVA,or CVAG most likely.

    • @allangibson2408
      @allangibson2408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      C = Cruiser. V= Aircraft. The subsequent letter could be H = Helicopter, V= Vertical takeoff. The US navy designation letter for Autogyros was O (as observation aircraft) so CVO would be relevant.

    • @Norkans5
      @Norkans5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@allangibson2408 To my knowledge the CV designation actually means "carrier vessel".

    • @allangibson2408
      @allangibson2408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Norkans5 Nope - all “C”s are cruisers. CA are heavy cruisers, CL are light cruisers, CG are guided missile cruisers.
      Aircraft Carriers were originally intended to fill the role of cruisers, providing scouting and fleet screening. The Russians still have heavy guns on their Kiev class carriers because a treaty clause with Turkey requires it for passage through the the Straits of Marmara.

  • @FRIEND_711
    @FRIEND_711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    You summed up why I think the imperial military was stupid under 2 minutes on a video not related to that topic...damn you're good.

    • @NathanDudani
      @NathanDudani 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      wHy I tHiNk

    • @FRIEND_711
      @FRIEND_711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @CreedOfHeresy parden the pun but I think the ship of uncooperative sailed long ago with the two, by ww2 the two were full blown gutting each other whenever they could, and when japanese cities were burning they still were fighting one another, as a military, how is that anything but stupid?

    • @FRIEND_711
      @FRIEND_711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @CreedOfHeresy You don't have to remind me of that. My family still curses the Kobayakawa family for their betrayal at Sekigahara.
      BUT, thats no excuse.
      Like you said, a milenia long blood feud and yet they were cooperating whenever it was needed, such as when the mongols invaded.
      During this time of ww2, the two were just beyond help, they really were acting more to their own interest than that of the emperor and yet he had to suffer the most.

  • @kazeshi2
    @kazeshi2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    audio was perfect for me. opening theme didn't blow my ear drums and i could hear you clearly with no adjustment in volume on my end.

  • @michelangelobuonarroti4958
    @michelangelobuonarroti4958 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    That title is quite frankly amazing

  • @charlesjmouse
    @charlesjmouse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    As always very good.
    Ah, the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy... Was there ever a better example for the bone-headed and self-destructive capacity for us humans to do entirely the wrong thing simply because of unreasonable rivalry?
    I'm surprised the Japanese Emperor didn't threaten both services with wholesale beheadings if they didn't play more nicely with each other.*
    *Although I suspect their "infallible god-emperor" knew he would have quickly lost his head if he had tried to impose a little sense!

  • @khaelamensha3624
    @khaelamensha3624 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Next Drach video, the tanks of the Japanese navy 😂 Video as great and funny as usual. Drachinifel will have an EPO test soon, it is not human to do so many brilliant videos for so long 😂 I must admit that I lost it when Drach was talking about the giant assurance scam and Nemo's seagulls. As I miss my keyboard everything is fine once I swipe the coffee from my desk. This is the last time I drink coffee during a Drach s video. Should have known better 😂

    • @andrewbend9655
      @andrewbend9655 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Tanks of the IJN would explain his trip to Dorset

    • @mindwarp42
      @mindwarp42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He actually showed an IJN tank in the very beginning, the Type 2 Ka-Mi. He has a starting point already. 🤣

    • @tominiowa2513
      @tominiowa2513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Will there an IJN tank in a future cour of Girls und Panzer?

    • @arnoldwardenaar127
      @arnoldwardenaar127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know the feeling....
      I needed a few minutes after that as well

    • @Right-Is-Right
      @Right-Is-Right 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      At he very begging of the vid Drach had a photo of the Australian Army tring out a IJN tank, very relieved their driver could operate a sea fearing tank I presume.

  • @BringTheRains
    @BringTheRains ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Perun sent me via referencing this video.

  • @SwiftTrooper5
    @SwiftTrooper5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fun fact: Tokai Maru was sunk in Apra Harbor, Guam and landed slightly on top of SMS Cormoran, a German auxiliary cruiser scuttled in 1917. I got to dive both wrecks in 1997.

  • @braxtonnelson7422
    @braxtonnelson7422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The audio on this video came through loud and clear. And thanks for all you do... knowledgeable, thoughtful presentations with a touch of humour make for wonderful entertainment!

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I wonder if the inter-service fighting was the cause for the Navy to build IJN _Most Honourable Combat_ to fight that crane ship

    • @DABrock-author
      @DABrock-author 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I thought she was the counter to HMS By Jove and USS Second Amendment Rights. 🤣

  • @wiktornyckowski
    @wiktornyckowski ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Drach, It's so cool to see guys from various domains, each doing a different type of a very good job, referring one another. I watch your videos with keen interest (not all of them, although eventually, who knows) but this specific one caught my attention after being referred to by Perun.
    What I mean is - internet is full of bloated crap on wheels. It's not so easy to pick a gem in this crappy sh***hole internet has become these days, unless you have, like, unlimited time (which I don't), and such references really, really help. One guy with brains mentioning another one from somewhat different domain, but also making most informative and high quality content. This brings back some of my faith in our species, and this is good.

  • @GCho733
    @GCho733 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mogami Captain in Sunda: We sank an enemy ship!
    Crew: It was our Army ship.
    Mogami Captain: Exactly.

  • @esmenhamaire6398
    @esmenhamaire6398 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love your videos, Drach, not only for the superb level fo detail and explanation that you give on each topic, but also, your lovely sense of humour! This one 's an absolute classic!

  • @Classicman_269
    @Classicman_269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks for cover some smaller ships I have always found smaller fleet units very interesting and they don't get the coverage they deserve because of them being over shadowed by Battleships and fleet carriers.

  • @christianoutlaw
    @christianoutlaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    A red shirted crewman goes to board the Kobayaahi Maru: “I have a bad feeling about this”.
    For the record I did a quick search and, for all the game that particular name has garnered amongst sci fi fans, there is not an actual vessel bearing that name. Or wessel for that matter 😏

    • @Trek001
      @Trek001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      There is actually at least one ship named that - she's a bulk cargo carrier registered under the flag of the Marshall Islands and built in 2019

    • @dankuser8303
      @dankuser8303 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Trek001 some person there is a trekkie, but no one got the reference when he decided to name the ship that. He was just making an irl easter egg

    • @Trek001
      @Trek001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@dankuser8303 Just imagine when the under construction Enterprise sails, the pair meet - what a meme that would be

    • @TheGrebel
      @TheGrebel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Trek001 movie/book idea-- the real Kobayashi Maru is chartered to carry supplies to CVN-80 Enterprise…. but prior to the rendezvous is taken over by Islamist terrorists and (unknown to everyone) rigged as a giant (nuclear?) suicide bomb…. Enterprise to rescue the original crew and any passengers?

    • @greenseaships
      @greenseaships 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dem gravitic mines though...

  • @Thotgor
    @Thotgor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    To say that I look forward to Wednesday’s video is an understatement! Thanks so much!

  • @angusdeadman6425
    @angusdeadman6425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is super informative on a very obscure subject, my own research didn't manage to earth up half of this interesting info

  • @kevinwilson1228
    @kevinwilson1228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the audio was great, and so is your sense of humour... I love it

  • @seanbryan4833
    @seanbryan4833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'd love to see an episode about the IJA submarines. My mind was blown when I first learned such a thing really existed!

  • @bosoerjadi2838
    @bosoerjadi2838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    5:38 What I initially imagined as a kid, when learning of the term 'pocket battleship' for the first time.

  • @sse_weston4138
    @sse_weston4138 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Slept in late accidentally but YESSSS been waiting for coverage on these for a while :D
    Also, Tamatsu, Akitsu, and Mayasan Marus were sunk with 4,000+, 2,000+, and 3,000+ lives lost respectively

  • @heirofrohan7865
    @heirofrohan7865 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Another excellent video, Sir Drach. A bit of a suggestion here - can you do a video explaining the Convoy System used in both WW1 and WW2 and how it changed according to the advancements in technology and tactics? Appreciate it Drach!

  • @mikeklaene4359
    @mikeklaene4359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Even the US Army had LCM-8s and LCUs in addition to tug boats and various other ships.
    I had trained as a "Harbor Craft Boatswain" (MOS 61B30) at Ft Eustis, VA in 1967. Ft Eustis is on the James River up from Newport News and the Hampton Roads area.

  • @crystalrock18
    @crystalrock18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    There’s another channel called “the history guy” where he did a brief video on US Army ships of WW2, is that something you may consider doing? Really enjoyed this video and and the research you provide. Always love tuning into your channel.

    • @jayadkisson2075
      @jayadkisson2075 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The U.S. Army also had a "special engineering" section that developed a quite credible amphibious unit in the Pacific theatre, especially since they started pretty much from scratch. The U.S. Army also developed "pallet loading" (and beach unloading) which astounded Howland Smith with its much higher efficiency, and he ordered the Marine Corps to adopt it immediately.

    • @crystalrock18
      @crystalrock18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jayadkisson2075 that’s actually really cool I need to look that up now. Thank you for the extra information.

    • @TrickiVicBB71
      @TrickiVicBB71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Another History Guy channel fan. Really enjoy his videos. Like the 1978 archive fires or learning how painted lines on roads came about.

    • @jakemillar649
      @jakemillar649 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He might be making a series of Army ships of countries from WW2.

    • @crystalrock18
      @crystalrock18 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakemillar649 also true

  • @wolfbyte3171
    @wolfbyte3171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    IJA: Screw you Navy, we'll make our own ships!
    USN Submarines: *Bonus Round*

  • @JasperFromMS
    @JasperFromMS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Sounds great. Looking forward to hearing about the US Army's fleet in WW2.

    • @thomasfarrell5396
      @thomasfarrell5396 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. Sound is good.

    • @Right-Is-Right
      @Right-Is-Right 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I find it funny the US army had ships built to retrieve their aircraft. The US army had some retrieving Vessel
      s ,eleven of these small ships were built in late 1942 through mid 1943.

    • @colbeausabre8842
      @colbeausabre8842 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Right-Is-Right The RAF had several hundred High Speed Launches that looked like MTB's without torpedo tubes and the Navy and Army operated crash boats into the Fifties. The USN rated them as AVR's - Auxiliary Ship - Fixed Wing Aircraft - Rescue. I knew an ex-USAF enlisted man who had the rating of "seaman" during his tour in the Air Force.
      www.bing.com/videos/search?q=raf+high+speed+launch&view=detail&mid=F25E7E191D989F9EE8CCF25E7E191D989F9EE8CC&FORM=VIRE&msclkid=62950a05c4d811ecae598f1bbfcb892b
      th-cam.com/video/SDsS9BgYV1A/w-d-xo.html
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_boats_of_World_War_II?msclkid=022a77bdc4d811ecb2f83c7d72bab76d
      uscrashboats.org/?msclkid=02285b92c4d811ecb4594adc40c34429

  • @TactWendigo
    @TactWendigo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was a great one, love it Drach.

  • @primastanislaus9184
    @primastanislaus9184 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    IJA is heavily inspired by Prussia/Germany while the IJN by United Kingdom. There is a joke born among my international relations department in Uni after a debate and discussion on why countries ends up in which side in WW1 and WW2 looking at domestic political and international reasons Japan switched to Axis despite being an Allied nation in WW1 cause in WW1 Japan followed the Navy and only got humiliation for it so they follow the Army for the second one.

    • @rogerhinman5427
      @rogerhinman5427 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's one of the main reasons Italy was with the Axis in WW2. They got nothing they were promised by Britain and France for their sacrifice and effort in WW1.

    • @hektor6766
      @hektor6766 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very true. The Japanese had chafed under unequal treatment since the Iwakura mission in 1871 failed to negotiate better treaties in light of their newly adopted Western parliamentary system. But the mission did return with an enthusiasm for nascent Bismarckian Germany's school system, industry, and military (with its celebrated Prussian army, but no naval traditions). After Showing their emergent prowess in the war with Russia at Tsushima and their alliance against the Central Powers during WWI, the Washington Treaty was a bitterly humiliating pill to swallow.
      And, as Drachinifel alludes, the Japanese army had a centuries-long tradition of standing against or over neighboring countries to the west, whereas the navy's global philosophy of powerfully standing among nations had only developed since Perry's visit from over the Pacific (Portuguese missionaries and Dutch traders notwithstanding).
      Konoe's Naval Minister Teijiro Toyoda had been against war with the US. Tojo replaced him with Shimada Shigetaro, more amenable to war, but still dubious of protracted conflict, as was Yamamoto. Also, Tojo had been a war college graduate attache in Berlin, whereas Yamamoto had been a student at Harvard. Shigetaro, Yamamoto's Naval College classmate, had been an attache in Italy.

  • @jakemillar649
    @jakemillar649 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Short but entertaining and concise video. Informative and comprehensive without taking up half of the morning to watch.

  • @windborne8795
    @windborne8795 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for all that you do Drach! Great stuff as always! Kudos!👍🏻😎 🇺🇸

  • @iatsechannel5255
    @iatsechannel5255 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Audio is clear and without distractions. Great job as usual.

  • @brisbaneae86
    @brisbaneae86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you are a content juggernaut. keep up the great work

  • @TRHARTAmericanArtist
    @TRHARTAmericanArtist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Drach knows more about ships than I could ever know ... I wouldn't even begin to think of questions to ask. So much information, trying to keep up. Whew, thanks buddy!

  • @markrobson8747
    @markrobson8747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Both major military arms in opposition,what a perfect way to lose a war.

  • @Straswa
    @Straswa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid Drach, thank you for all your hard work!

  • @johnw1544
    @johnw1544 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It amazes me simply how many ships the Japanese had named only Maru during WW2. It means I vastly underestimated the size and cabability of the japanese fleet, and therefore underestimated just what a huge task the allies and in particular the Americans had in dealing with them. I must be right in thinking the Americans were both outgunned and out outmanned in the sense of shipping at the start of their war with Japan. It's scary to think just how far the Japanese got and how many people they killed as a result of their obviously flawed but overall excellent planning and efficiency.

  • @notshapedforsportivetricks2912
    @notshapedforsportivetricks2912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Much Maru about something?
    Ow! It hurts. It hurts.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hopefully Mrs. Drach is not a Shakespearean Literature lover...

  • @MM22966
    @MM22966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This was a great episode. I never really knew much about the IJA Navy, and some of these designs are almost like modern LHD/LHA assault ships in capability, allowing for the WW2 tech: planes, landing craft, well-decks, and even some direct Ro-Ro unloading ability.

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like those small gunboats. Basically floating tanks. Seems like a very army way of looking at boats.

  • @mr.gunzaku437
    @mr.gunzaku437 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    If the rivalry didn't exist they would have been much more efficient, but that goes without saying. In their environment of course the Navy would take precedence because they had to be able to ferry the troops to the islands that they were taking. However to take those islands you need a ground force because infantry is still the ultimate weapon for taking territory.

    • @jlselc
      @jlselc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not according to the idiot in the white house. According to him you don't need boots on the ground.

    • @gregorywright4918
      @gregorywright4918 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheTutch In the 30s while the US and UK were dreaming of peace and quiet, the Nazis were dreaming of taking over the German government and rescinding the Versailles Treaty while the Japanese Army were already boots-on-the-ground in Manchuria, dreaming of the rest of China and then Siberia.

    • @mr.gunzaku437
      @mr.gunzaku437 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheTutch I have to agree, sorry about the time to reply, but the IJN and IJA would have started a civil war after the war, as covertly as possible but I doubt they'd be able to hide the fighting between the two sides.

    • @mr.gunzaku437
      @mr.gunzaku437 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gregorywright4918 yeah, out of everyone involved in the war, the Japanese were way ahead of the game in that respect.

  • @B1900pilot
    @B1900pilot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One thing you might find interesting. In the modern JMSDF & JGSDF ( Navy & Army ), many of the traditions of the IJN are still observed in the JMSDF, and Eta Jima functions as the JDA academy for the training of Naval officers. In stark contrast, very few if any traditions of the IJA are observed by the JGSDF. The JASDF was formed alongside its brethren service branches in 1954 along the lines of the USAF. I cannot speak to the modern rivalries within the Japanese military, but the Navy is senior service now, whereas in WW2 it was quite the opposite.

    • @ivan5595
      @ivan5595 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      IJA was more brutal and down-to-earth than IJN, plus it was what the Americans fought eye-to-eye. It makes sense that the Americans would've ridden of its culture in the JGSDF.

    • @hektor6766
      @hektor6766 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ivan5595 That, and the emergence of an intercontinental nuclear superpower bipolarization (now tripolar, with Japan lying within the triangle in the Pacific theater) during the occupation would tend to the globally strategic and diplomatic orientation of the navy.

  • @ph89787
    @ph89787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    17:25. Or competition between allied submarines and aircraft. With the surface fleet trying to squeeze in what they can.

  • @blacksheepboyz
    @blacksheepboyz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounded great along with your thoughts and ideas.

  • @mikearmstrong8483
    @mikearmstrong8483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They didn't hold a monopoly on the concept. When I was in the service, the Air Force had more combined land area on its bases than the Army, the Army had more water vessels than the Navy, and the Navy had more aircraft than the Air Force.
    Lajes Field, in the Azores, had the USAF running the ground facilities, the Navy flying the planes, and the Army operating the tugboats.

    • @sundiver137
      @sundiver137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And the Marines running the library....

  • @fire304
    @fire304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's for content like this that I love this channel!

  • @bificommander
    @bificommander 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "All right, we build our own carriers. Pretty small though, we'll need to carefully select a plane that can fly off of it."
    "Shall we get some Zero's from the navy? They're designed for that and... I hear they're... pretty..."
    "..."
    "...Sepuku?"
    "Sepuku."

  • @dougreid2351
    @dougreid2351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very useful perspective on interservice rivalries carried to crippling extremes. Thank you.

    • @apexxxx10
      @apexxxx10 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Interservice*

  • @violet9214
    @violet9214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks Drach, now I can't shake The mental image of Maru's face on each of these ships