@@spitescorner When you are racing to determine which bike is faster, rider weight is a variable, bike weight is not. You can't claim one bike is faster than the other when there is a big rider weight difference. One of those bikes has a better power to weight ratio than the other, and is faster, when there are big discrepancies in rider weight, the which bike is faster test is completely inaccurate. Good video though, just wanted to throw that out there. EDIT: That's also not even taking into consideration rider size, not weight. A much taller/larger person is going to have more wind resistance, which also makes the test inaccurate.
Mid 00s supersports are hard to beat. No driver aids, minimal emissions restrictions; just pure, unadulterated fun. I have a ‘23 CB650R and an ‘06 GSXR 600, and to my surprise, the Gixxer is almost more comfortable…and that exhaust note? 🤤
people buying a 600 arent doing it because it's the logical choice :) lol it's about that scream and that's totally valid. cool to see the difference head to head and the progression of tech over time.
Fr, I'm trying to find a clean ZX6R, and everyone's like "It's expensive, it's uncomfortable, no torque" and I'm like Okay...None of those are why I ride anyways☠️
@@Next2Null good luck on your quest. that's what's cool about motorcycles. they don't need to be logical or make sense to be great. many of the best are some of the craziest things you can buy.
Right so I have no idea why Honda wouldn't have a modern F41. Literally just give the CBR600 with slightly comfier ergo's and a different set of fairings lol
I love how both have all this praise to to the 660 but then both as soon as they crack the throttle on the F4I are like muhahahaha that inline 4. and thats the point, thats why i got the zx4rr all the sound and the feel but non of the scary speed to hear it.
Honda CB650R with 4 cylinders, 94 HP, 12,000 rpm also offers more chances to wring it out than the supersport bikes. Not as much as that new Kawi 400, though. Bet that is fun to wind out!
Picking up a ZX4RR next week for the experience not the outright speed. I have other V and parallel twins that are faster. But because screaming a I4 is completely different experience.
Zx4rr is a waist of money. You could get a couple years old 636 or gsx 750 for the same price. Or even an r6 if you want the top end. Zx4rr is a spec racing bike. If you are not spec racing then um… dont get one.
I jump to a random part of the video and you guys are talking about how great your imaginary gym buddy is for what seems like forever. What the fuck are you talking about?
Keep in mind that the F41 ,though a bit underpowered compared to the other 600's from that era was the most popular stunt bike until the Kawai 03'-04'636 came out .They wheelie like a dream . I still miss my 02' . The F4i also has beautiful smooth fuel injection and very tough build quality .
I love twins & I4's for different reasons, although I'd take a V twin over a parallel any day of the week. If I'm out for a ride on an unfamiliar twisty road I'd take my Aprilia V twin every time so I can focus more on the road & still have heaps of fun, even if I'm not in exactly the right gear for the corner. If it's a road I know fairly well though I'll tale my I4 for the immense satisfaction & engagement of keeping it on the boil for as much of the ride as possible.
A v-twin is surprisingly complex and difficult to maintain compared to a P-twin or even an inlines four. You practically have to take the whole bike apart if it's a v-twin if you're doing anything that requires gas tank removal. There's a lot of engine that needs to be packaged inside the bike. In contrast, a p-twin is more like a chunky single; everything is easy to reach and there's a lot of "empty" space around the engine. If you look at a Tuono from the side there's a lot of places you can see through the bike. Of course, you can choose the worst of both worlds; a V-four. Ducati's maintenance for valve adjustments is so high because the bike's engine has to be almost removed from the frame just to get under the valve covers. I do find the general quality of modern bikes to be so much better than, say, bikes made 20 or even 10 years ago. When you got a new bike, you used to have to correctly torque the steering head bearings, and do so every couple thousand miles (most handling problems of guys going into speed wobbles on the highway are loose or tight steering heads). Now, you hardly even find loose steering heads even on bikes with 10K miles. The metal quality and bearing precision of modern bikes is just so so much higher these days. Of course, you'll smash up steering head bearings by wheelies... By the way, Aprilia p-twins are infamously leak-prone but they can almost always be fixed by simply taking a torque wrench and gently checking all engine case screws. Then take a white magic marker and draw a line across the bolt to the frame. Check often, especially if you rev-bomb.
As to the choice of an inline four or an inline two… the two wins by compactness and rigidity but that is by sophisticated use of balance shaft and piston timing ( primary balance ) compromise of complexity trade offs. The Honda straight 4 if one looks at that long skinny journal crankshaft it surely lives only by excessive block mass to make up for its rigidity… but it is skinny journaled as high enough rpms bearing surface speeds start to be a limitation. Now similarly the balance shaft of the Aprilia means its block lives by excessive block mass to make up for the containing the vibration by stiffness stress strain curve of the block. ❤😂
A V4 makes a lot of sense… as does a narrow angle V2 … perhaps either with cylinder bore overlap maximized by minimal engine length possibly achieved with two main bearing very stiff overlapping rod journal crankshaft… it may be unusual maybe a rather strange fork and blade and/or master rod set up might be worthwhile complication to consider or not.
I am addicted to old early 2000s Honda Fours, my 06 Blackbird tells me so. A Hornet 919 or CB400 SF is another excellent bike. The twins are very good - but ill ride those fours as long as possible.
Love your channel, Spite, I've dropped Noobs like a smelly turd. Total asshole! I own a 2016 S1000R, and 61 years old. My bike is awesome, I got a great deal. I love my bike, but would love to ride half the bikes you get to, but that probably won't happen 😢 Keep up the great content! Annie from Australia
6'3 here too, got the Tuono 660 as my second bike. I know it ain't as fast as a proper 600, but itll sitll blow your hair back while being very tame on regular roads during every day riding.
Honda (more fun, better sound, faster, longer and comfy) RS ( low end torque, all the nannies.) Spite ( RS is just a better bike) lol because it cost 10 times more
The moment you have a different look at the 4 cylinder things make a lot more sense. The 4 cylinder has an additional driving mode over a 2 cylinder which I call "smooth and quiet" at the bottom of the rev range. You switch it on by switching a gear up and switch it off by switching a gear down. So the real comparison is e.g. 2 cylinder in 5th gear vs. 4 cylinder in 4th gear. This is fair because the 4 cylinder has a wider rev range (rs660 up to about 10500, CBR600F4i up to about 12500 (for the example I took the rpm of max power which are easier to find rather than the max engine rpm)). So even if the 4 cylinder is reving 1000rpm higher it still has 1000rpm more headroom. That said, today it isn't necessary anymore to have a 4 cylinder engine to get "enough" power for road riding. Modern 2 cylinders get there too. And they are a bit ligher, smaller and cheaper to produce.
Finally someone else has the same mindset that I do. My '09 ZX6R is the same way. Riding it below 7,000 RPM and it acts like a heavier 400. Ride it above 7,000 and you get the full 600 experience. Not to mention how nice it is to have such a large reduction ratio in first that I can easily pull away from stoplights without ever coming off idle.
Big facts over here with both of these comments. I personally hate twins. The sound for me is just not it. Inline 4, inline 3, cp3, cp4 and V4 (aprilias) Are the only engines I'd consider
@deshawn4077 found a great deal on a low mileage 2022, and I'm a bit more confident about Triumph's build quality and overall reliability. It's a proper weapon.
Great review and compare/contrast with complementing reviews. I'd go for the Honda CBR600 F4I. You can buy one used for less money, I love the zing and wind up of the inline 4, and it's always satisfying to have to work for what you really want and extra satisfying when you get it. (Referring to the powerband)
I see the 660 is suffering from the rear swing arm boot rub where they stuck a stupid thin piece of plastic film in an attempt to stop you scuffing the swing arm... for anyone else with one, they did it entirely for looks. You can get a plastic plate that covers the same section for like $15 (at least, it was £7 from a dealer where I bought it in the UK so I am assuming it'll be $15 or less US) from the tuono 660 since it has the exact same swing arm and they cared more about practicality than looks on that one. You just stick it on with some heavy duty double sided 3M tape and it protects the swing arm from your boot infinitely better, and doesn't get the horrible black smudges.
An inline 4 600 will do mid 80's at the top of first gear. Is that too much for the street, probably, but I'm not giving mine up. If you want comfort buy a paralell twin that looks like a sportbike, but don't think they can compete with one. You're just lying to yourself or anyone you're trying to convince. The suspension and brakes on these newer twins are less capable. Being able to ride on a budget focused bike is great, if it gets more people on 2 wheels.
+1 on this. if you are going to ride slower and want comfortable ergos by all means go for RS 660, but if you want to go fast, comparison to a real 600 supersport is a joke.
I had a 2005 Ninja 636R, loved that bike. Back then, marketing and MotoGP was different, many bikes were developed for homologation, so bikes were developed more for performance than today's commuter buyer. Glad you pointed out ergonomics, back then I could handle it, now in my 60s I was forced to move to sport tourers just to save my back, wrists and knees.
The RS660 is what I want Yamaha to do with the R9 but I think it may end up being a much more aggressive rider triangle and no cruise control. Not near as streetable…that is if they ever make the damn thing. Yamaha please! That and an XSR 1 please
spite you are trying to hard to press the new mid size bikes as better. mid 2000s 600s will remain undefeated for their class. they are race bikes and they are damn good at what they do. the newer bikes are more comfy and easier to ride however. the formula for 600 class sport bikes were cracked in 2003 to 2006. each of the bikes are great at what they do but a true 600 destroys the new parallel twin class. yamahas very own r6 is faster than an mt09 .
Yeah reasoning in this video is pretty bad. Why would you compare which bike is faster but then not keep the Honda in the power band, otherwise even this dinosaur bike in this condition would be much faster. And then you are asking which bike would you choose, new bike or old outdated bike. Just ask which bike would you choose, 2024. RS 660 or 2024. ZX6R/CBR 600, and then there is only one answer if you want MUCH faster and better bike.
600cc I-4 is the enthusiasts motor, keeps you busy working the gears and clutch. You work to extract the experience you seek, and are rewarded when you get it right. Seems like bikes are now trying to be so composed and easy to ride, which is fine if that is what you want. But a classic 600cc sportbike on a desolate backroad is pure joy, you chase the power and get aggressive and you feel like you accomplished something when you complete a corner with the power you wanted, at the speed you were trying to achieve. In the end, though, each person should ride the bike they like. Some might find the aspects of the 600cc I love, to be annoying to them.
Honda all day, twice on Sunday! Folks who just repeat what they've heard talk nonsense about Honda, even after being proven false. 🤦🏽♂️ RS gets walked by an almost 20 yr older, heavier, smaller cc Honda.
The Inline-4's are just exhilarating 6k RPM to redline. Parallel twins are just a shit motor for a sportbike. It's a budget motor with high tech electronics.
I think the 660 platform does just fine for taller riders, granted, I ride a Tuono 660, not the RS. I'm 6'4", and it's an absolute blast, love that bike. And with an exhaust it sounds amazing
Put 25k, along with a handful of track days, on my Tahitian Blue '06 F4i over 4 years. The hit @ 8k rpms was something else and the riding position wasn't too bad for my 50+ year old knees. Really miss her! Edit: Only nit I'd pick re: the comparo - A new bike with a modern suspension vs. an old bike that probably still has the original fork oil and hasn't been set up correctly does the F4i an injustice.
@@ceejay1364 Not too much - double bubble windscreen (made a huge diff at high speeds), frame sliders, Coffman shorty, and would swap out the front sprocket for a -1 on track days.
Hey. YES, they're still worth it. Keep in mind, the cbr600f4i WAS the supersport bike and was eventually replaced by the RR. The RR was the evolutionary step. The f4i was NEVER produced to be some detuned sport tourer. They just simply offered an Fsport and a standard until the RR.
The problem with inline four is that it only wakes up after your second traffic fine. For normal street riding and light speeding the rs660 is probably much nicer. You can’t rev these things out every dag on normal streets.
what exhaust did the 660 have? ive been looking for one for my tuono 660 factory. so far ive found motobox and ziiv project that are the only opnes who make a good looking exhaust for the 660 platform.
You can tell yourself that the 660 twin cylinder is better when you are in the wrong gear all you want; it won't change the fact that if you know what gear to be in the I-4 is more fun. But your right 600 for the street makes little sense when there is a GSX-R750.
I had been riding the 2 for all my life in riding, but when you get to the inline 4, the power is different, believe me the difference is ginormous, yeah missed the torque but on the inline you just need to live on the High rev range to get torque!
Thank you for taking at least a moment to talk about engine vibration. For someone who isn't riding at 9/10 all the time on a track engine vibration is a pretty important thing and it seems like essentially no reviewers ever mention it. I find it completely baffling that it's not one of the first things that's talked about. A bike is fun and all but if you can't feel your hands and feet after 20 minutes it's kind of useless at least to me.
Any super sport 600 over these new breed of over priced budget bikes camouflaging as what we called super sport 600/mid tier pocket rockets. A parallel twin bike should never cost as much as it does right now, they are budget bikes with electronic gizmos added on. But to be honest the f3/f4i are faster than more modern super sport 600, in drag race it whipped my d675 like nothing :P
I'm a RS660 owner and I agree with 99% of your impression about the bike. Regarding the accelleration test, keep in mind a couple of things: the bike is really sensitive to the rider weight and the result may vary quite a bit, I think you both tested the bike in Dynamic mode that has the middle throttle response in the settings. If you test the bike in either in Race mode or Individual with throttle setting at 1 you'll feel what the chassis was designed for. Peak power remains the same but it accellerates much more aggressively and would have give you a bigger advantage on the rolling start. Last but not least, Aprilia released an update in the second part of 2023 that really smoothed throttle response for level 2 and 3, resulting in better response in the transition when you open the gas but a slightly slower accelleration
Is this throttle software update for all rs660 models or only the 23 model? This is my only criticism of my 22 rs660, if you are in dynamic or individual around town or slow speed riding, the throttle response is jerky / choppy and I usually resort to putting it back into commute mode
@@badassbiker78 Hi I have a '22 model as well and the update is for every model year. It's a software update that requires around 45 minutes and it really improves the bike. I had the same feeling that you have in Dynamic and Individual (throttle map 2 and 1), now I feel very easy to ride around town in Dynamic and I use Commute mode only when I'm low on fuel. The update solves an issue that I had when downshifting from 3rd to 2nd gear in commute and dynamic. I haven't noticed any changes in Individual mode, throttle response is still aggressive and downshifting in second is not always working. I live in Italy, so I'm not sure if it's a worldwide release, but I brought the bike for a periodical check at an official dealer and the software update was part of it.
ugh... so much talk about the torque (or the lack thereof) and the tach reads 5000 rpm,.... dude! It has many gears! Just choose one appropriate for the speed you're riding at!
Its weird. The tuono and the rs 660 feel like they have good oomph in the midrange until you are riding alongside a bike that actually has 100-110 hp. But if you rev it out, it feels a lot quicker haha.
RS660 is a nice daily rider, but the CBR 600, GSX-R600 and ZX6R are on another level. Maybe not as comfy or as fuel efficient, but very close and the power is always there when you need it.
Trust me, the rs660 isn't your typical parallel twin. I came from the rsv4 to the rs660 and it feels and sounds very similar. The 660 is pretty torquey for a smaller capacity engine but rides fantastically due to the lighter weight. Definitely advise test riding one
Spike the setback on those F4i clipons is killing me lol. Set them out wider like the RS's to get more leverage and the front end will feel more responsive.
Low-key looking at a New-Old-Stock Tuono Factory 660 from the local Aprilia dealer in PDX for Wife. However she favors the Ducati brand and specifically the Scrambler models over Aprilia
Except nothing will have the character of an inline 3 or 4. I have a '23 Z900 with full LeoVince exhaust and tune. I adore that bike. Granted its suspension isn't great in stock form. Holy cow is it fun. 130hp to the tire at 10,500rpm is incredible
The " A LOT LIGHTER" part is not true thou... via spec sheet both bikes have de same dry weight, 169kg, 372 lbs. Ready to run they are 10 kgs apart, so a lithium battery would almost equalize running weights for the CBR. But i do admit that if you going full race built, its pretty possible that the Aprilia would go much lighter, as it has much more crap to shave. (Abs module and its parts, emission stuff, cats in the exhaust system, so on) > But great vid as always... keep it up.
The Tuareg 0:13 my Wife likes because she has read many books about the Tuareg and been to Africa many times. I think it would be a great bike for her, and she agrees and she wants to try something before the Tuareg, like a Scrambler.
We as a family are inline 4 lovers. I can't tell you how many times I started out with intentions of getting a different engine configuration, only to come home with a four banger. My son got a helluva good deal on a Suzuki bandit 600 a few years ago and although it's a good bike for him, I'm pretty set on liter bikes now too. I'm kinda considering the xsr900 but I can't help thinking that the MT10 would be a better fit for my dumb azz
Yeah the race right there goes to show why I like 4 cylinder bikes so much. But the 660 is an amazing package. I want to get one and upgrade to the rsv4 eventually. I think they are so cool and Italian. Like a two wheeled lambo.
Nobody ever talks about insurance cost's, both of them bikes cost 2x as much as my trusty old 2001 Bandit 1200s with torque for days in any gear. For a track only bike any 600 from the mid 2000's is a great bike. Just buy a cheap bike and go have fun and learn the limits. A new bike won't make you any faster or better rider, learning suspension set up will though.
Upgrade the suspension on the f4i, its cheap and simple to do. A brembo master cylinder, lever and brake line upgrade makes a big difference as well. Also, of course, get some real mirrors and nice plastics on the thing. Spend a few hundred on the f4i's suspension and it feels lighter, corners with greater ease and is just far better than stock, even if the stock suspension isnt worn out. The f4i isnt the fastest bike around but it isnt much different than new 600s and itll certainly lay waste to a RS660 in corners or straights.
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Spike you weigh 60 pounds more than him, it makes a difference in the roll races.
Our weight differences are canceled out by the bikes weight differences. The F4i is significantly heavier
Do you think that a better exhaust system would make any better performance on the 4I ? It's got a muted sound!!
@@spitescorner When you are racing to determine which bike is faster, rider weight is a variable, bike weight is not. You can't claim one bike is faster than the other when there is a big rider weight difference. One of those bikes has a better power to weight ratio than the other, and is faster, when there are big discrepancies in rider weight, the which bike is faster test is completely inaccurate. Good video though, just wanted to throw that out there. EDIT: That's also not even taking into consideration rider size, not weight. A much taller/larger person is going to have more wind resistance, which also makes the test inaccurate.
It would if they swapped bikes? Otherwise it’s 2 engines hauling a bunch of of weight around lol
Spite, take a poop first to even out the weight
Mid 00s supersports are hard to beat. No driver aids, minimal emissions restrictions; just pure, unadulterated fun. I have a ‘23 CB650R and an ‘06 GSXR 600, and to my surprise, the Gixxer is almost more comfortable…and that exhaust note? 🤤
My 2023 GSX-R. Also no rider aids and an advertised 150 crank horsepower.
people buying a 600 arent doing it because it's the logical choice :) lol it's about that scream and that's totally valid. cool to see the difference head to head and the progression of tech over time.
Fr, I'm trying to find a clean ZX6R, and everyone's like "It's expensive, it's uncomfortable, no torque" and I'm like
Okay...None of those are why I ride anyways☠️
@@Next2Null good luck on your quest. that's what's cool about motorcycles. they don't need to be logical or make sense to be great. many of the best are some of the craziest things you can buy.
Right so I have no idea why Honda wouldn't have a modern F41. Literally just give the CBR600 with slightly comfier ergo's and a different set of fairings lol
@@Next2Null Consider a GSXR 750-- you're leaned forward about 38 degrees compared to 44/46 for the ZX6 + more torque + avail everywhere and cheaper.
Yep that's what sold me on my cbr600rr. Pretty much any mid-sized sport bike has "enough" performance, but they don't all sing the same.
I love how both have all this praise to to the 660 but then both as soon as they crack the throttle on the F4I are like muhahahaha that inline 4. and thats the point, thats why i got the zx4rr all the sound and the feel but non of the scary speed to hear it.
I've booked one too. How does it compare to the usual inline twin supersports? Tell me more on the ownership experience?
Honda CB650R with 4 cylinders, 94 HP, 12,000 rpm also offers more chances to wring it out than the supersport bikes. Not as much as that new Kawi 400, though. Bet that is fun to wind out!
That 400rr is sub zero cool. I hope it sells really well
Picking up a ZX4RR next week for the experience not the outright speed. I have other V and parallel twins that are faster. But because screaming a I4 is completely different experience.
Zx4rr is a waist of money. You could get a couple years old 636 or gsx 750 for the same price. Or even an r6 if you want the top end. Zx4rr is a spec racing bike. If you are not spec racing then um… dont get one.
I jump to a random part of the video and you guys are talking about how great your imaginary gym buddy is for what seems like forever.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Keep in mind that the F41 ,though a bit underpowered compared to the other 600's from that era was the most popular stunt bike until the Kawai 03'-04'636 came out .They wheelie like a dream . I still miss my 02' . The F4i also has beautiful smooth fuel injection and very tough build quality .
I think it would’ve been cool to see you compare the F 4 I to the CB 650 R.
I love twins & I4's for different reasons, although I'd take a V twin over a parallel any day of the week.
If I'm out for a ride on an unfamiliar twisty road I'd take my Aprilia V twin every time so I can focus more on the road & still have heaps of fun, even if I'm not in exactly the right gear for the corner. If it's a road I know fairly well though I'll tale my I4 for the immense satisfaction & engagement of keeping it on the boil for as much of the ride as possible.
I would love a RS660 with a traditional Vtwin. That would be such a sweet bike, but the Ptwin is lighter. Give and take I guess.
@@spitescorner If AF1 ever get an Aprilia 750 Shiver in you should jump on the chance to ride it.
A v-twin is surprisingly complex and difficult to maintain compared to a P-twin or even an inlines four. You practically have to take the whole bike apart if it's a v-twin if you're doing anything that requires gas tank removal. There's a lot of engine that needs to be packaged inside the bike. In contrast, a p-twin is more like a chunky single; everything is easy to reach and there's a lot of "empty" space around the engine. If you look at a Tuono from the side there's a lot of places you can see through the bike.
Of course, you can choose the worst of both worlds; a V-four. Ducati's maintenance for valve adjustments is so high because the bike's engine has to be almost removed from the frame just to get under the valve covers.
I do find the general quality of modern bikes to be so much better than, say, bikes made 20 or even 10 years ago. When you got a new bike, you used to have to correctly torque the steering head bearings, and do so every couple thousand miles (most handling problems of guys going into speed wobbles on the highway are loose or tight steering heads). Now, you hardly even find loose steering heads even on bikes with 10K miles. The metal quality and bearing precision of modern bikes is just so so much higher these days. Of course, you'll smash up steering head bearings by wheelies...
By the way, Aprilia p-twins are infamously leak-prone but they can almost always be fixed by simply taking a torque wrench and gently checking all engine case screws. Then take a white magic marker and draw a line across the bolt to the frame. Check often, especially if you rev-bomb.
As to the choice of an inline four or an inline two… the two wins by compactness and rigidity but that is by sophisticated use of balance shaft and piston timing ( primary balance ) compromise of complexity trade offs. The Honda straight 4 if one looks at that long skinny journal crankshaft it surely lives only by excessive block mass to make up for its rigidity… but it is skinny journaled as high enough rpms bearing surface speeds start to be a limitation. Now similarly the balance shaft of the Aprilia means its block lives by excessive block mass to make up for the containing the vibration by stiffness stress strain curve of the block. ❤😂
A V4 makes a lot of sense… as does a narrow angle V2 … perhaps either with cylinder bore overlap maximized by minimal engine length possibly achieved with two main bearing very stiff overlapping rod journal crankshaft… it may be unusual maybe a rather strange fork and blade and/or master rod set up might be worthwhile complication to consider or not.
I am addicted to old early 2000s Honda Fours, my 06 Blackbird tells me so. A Hornet 919 or CB400 SF is another excellent bike. The twins are very good - but ill ride those fours as long as possible.
New Yammi is a lot more handsome and fun. Good find, Spite. We should keep him.
Mom, can we keep him?
He also doesn’t sound whiny and talk at 350 words/minute.
He also hasn't shit on anything automatic or three-wheeled.
He also doesn't say "bespoke" every other word.
When I have trouble sleeping I just think of a parallel twin motorcycle....
Lmao
In-line four 400cc*
Even Spite's best praise is: " It sounds like a v twin."
Have you ever ridden an mt07? Anything but boring especially with a pipe
@@bigounce4108 you know you could have just bought an 8 year old in-line 4 for the same price with twice the fun… but you keep coping bru
Atleast make it fair and compare the rs660 to a modern 600. Not a almost 20 year old honda lol.
Spite I'm so happy your channel is growing and the product looks great. Much love buddy
Love your channel, Spite, I've dropped Noobs like a smelly turd. Total asshole!
I own a 2016 S1000R, and 61 years old. My bike is awesome, I got a great deal. I love my bike, but would love to ride half the bikes you get to, but that probably won't happen 😢 Keep up the great content!
Annie from Australia
I'm 6'3", I own an RS660 and I love it. Super comfortable, but more the capable of tearing it up at the track. Wouldn't trade it for anything
6'3 here too, got the Tuono 660 as my second bike. I know it ain't as fast as a proper 600, but itll sitll blow your hair back while being very tame on regular roads during every day riding.
Honda (more fun, better sound, faster, longer and comfy) RS ( low end torque, all the nannies.) Spite ( RS is just a better bike) lol because it cost 10 times more
The moment you have a different look at the 4 cylinder things make a lot more sense. The 4 cylinder has an additional driving mode over a 2 cylinder which I call "smooth and quiet" at the bottom of the rev range. You switch it on by switching a gear up and switch it off by switching a gear down. So the real comparison is e.g. 2 cylinder in 5th gear vs. 4 cylinder in 4th gear. This is fair because the 4 cylinder has a wider rev range (rs660 up to about 10500, CBR600F4i up to about 12500 (for the example I took the rpm of max power which are easier to find rather than the max engine rpm)). So even if the 4 cylinder is reving 1000rpm higher it still has 1000rpm more headroom.
That said, today it isn't necessary anymore to have a 4 cylinder engine to get "enough" power for road riding. Modern 2 cylinders get there too. And they are a bit ligher, smaller and cheaper to produce.
Finally someone else has the same mindset that I do. My '09 ZX6R is the same way. Riding it below 7,000 RPM and it acts like a heavier 400. Ride it above 7,000 and you get the full 600 experience.
Not to mention how nice it is to have such a large reduction ratio in first that I can easily pull away from stoplights without ever coming off idle.
You would be surprised how smooth the twin cylinder from the bmw 1250 series is
what exhaust did the RS have on it?
Parallel twins: the looks of a 600 without any of that pesky horsepower 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Or sound or character or anything else really. I'm so bored of modern twins
Big facts over here with both of these comments. I personally hate twins. The sound for me is just not it.
Inline 4, inline 3, cp3, cp4 and V4 (aprilias)
Are the only engines I'd consider
"- it just has a really nice rumble (vrrrrrrrr)"
"(WAAAAAAAAAAH) Yea."
14:46
Just about sums up the two engines for me.
You can't compare an in line 4 vs a twin. top end will never be the same.
That 660 is a great bike. I ended up with a Street Triple and have no regrets, but the Aprilia is definitely a better looking bike.
Why did you choose the Street Triple over the 660?
@deshawn4077 found a great deal on a low mileage 2022, and I'm a bit more confident about Triumph's build quality and overall reliability. It's a proper weapon.
Just get a ninja 1000, inline 4 with full torque across the rev range 😉
Great review and compare/contrast with complementing reviews. I'd go for the Honda CBR600 F4I. You can buy one used for less money, I love the zing and wind up of the inline 4, and it's always satisfying to have to work for what you really want and extra satisfying when you get it.
(Referring to the powerband)
In line 4 sound track for me baby! I do enjoy a good v-twin though. So far I'm not as excited by the sound or the vibration of a p-twin...
I see the 660 is suffering from the rear swing arm boot rub where they stuck a stupid thin piece of plastic film in an attempt to stop you scuffing the swing arm... for anyone else with one, they did it entirely for looks. You can get a plastic plate that covers the same section for like $15 (at least, it was £7 from a dealer where I bought it in the UK so I am assuming it'll be $15 or less US) from the tuono 660 since it has the exact same swing arm and they cared more about practicality than looks on that one. You just stick it on with some heavy duty double sided 3M tape and it protects the swing arm from your boot infinitely better, and doesn't get the horrible black smudges.
The RS660 is a nice bike but it'll just never really sound good. Reminds me of a Ninja 400 with a slip on unfortunately.
An inline 4 600 will do mid 80's at the top of first gear. Is that too much for the street, probably, but I'm not giving mine up. If you want comfort buy a paralell twin that looks like a sportbike, but don't think they can compete with one. You're just lying to yourself or anyone you're trying to convince. The suspension and brakes on these newer twins are less capable. Being able to ride on a budget focused bike is great, if it gets more people on 2 wheels.
+1 on this. if you are going to ride slower and want comfortable ergos by all means go for RS 660, but if you want to go fast, comparison to a real 600 supersport is a joke.
Fun review! Now compare a new honda cbr600rr vs an Aprilia from 2001.. if there is still one running😜
Man, I loved my F4 (carbs). I did over 60k miles of touring in 3 years. I had some cash to spend and I switched to SC57 but F4 was a sweet ride.
Awesome work on the Honda. It looks considerably less crusty than I remember. Sounds great, too. 👍🏼
I had a 2005 Ninja 636R, loved that bike. Back then, marketing and MotoGP was different, many bikes were developed for homologation, so bikes were developed more for performance than today's commuter buyer. Glad you pointed out ergonomics, back then I could handle it, now in my 60s I was forced to move to sport tourers just to save my back, wrists and knees.
Honda any day the Aprilia is over priced and un reliable as the Honda is more reliable faster and cheaper
what would really be interesting is the F4I vs the cbr650r
The f4i would absolutely smoke that thang
@@colinbeballin77have you even tested the CBR?
Cbr650r is a sweet spot indeed..Jack of all trades
The RS660 is what I want Yamaha to do with the R9 but I think it may end up being a much more aggressive rider triangle and no cruise control. Not near as streetable…that is if they ever make the damn thing. Yamaha please! That and an XSR 1 please
The xsr900 Gp got cruise control so the r9 should as well.
spite you are trying to hard to press the new mid size bikes as better. mid 2000s 600s will remain undefeated for their class. they are race bikes and they are damn good at what they do. the newer bikes are more comfy and easier to ride however. the formula for 600 class sport bikes were cracked in 2003 to 2006. each of the bikes are great at what they do but a true 600 destroys the new parallel twin class. yamahas very own r6 is faster than an mt09 .
Yeah reasoning in this video is pretty bad. Why would you compare which bike is faster but then not keep the Honda in the power band, otherwise even this dinosaur bike in this condition would be much faster. And then you are asking which bike would you choose, new bike or old outdated bike.
Just ask which bike would you choose, 2024. RS 660 or 2024. ZX6R/CBR 600, and then there is only one answer if you want MUCH faster and better bike.
600cc I-4 is the enthusiasts motor, keeps you busy working the gears and clutch. You work to extract the experience you seek, and are rewarded when you get it right. Seems like bikes are now trying to be so composed and easy to ride, which is fine if that is what you want. But a classic 600cc sportbike on a desolate backroad is pure joy, you chase the power and get aggressive and you feel like you accomplished something when you complete a corner with the power you wanted, at the speed you were trying to achieve. In the end, though, each person should ride the bike they like. Some might find the aspects of the 600cc I love, to be annoying to them.
Most of the people that prefer the 20 year old bike because they are broke
i loved my F4i but that thing looks so clapped
It won't in a week or so. I'm just running it complete squid mode right now
Honda all day, twice on Sunday! Folks who just repeat what they've heard talk nonsense about Honda, even after being proven false. 🤦🏽♂️ RS gets walked by an almost 20 yr older, heavier, smaller cc Honda.
The Inline-4's are just exhilarating 6k RPM to redline. Parallel twins are just a shit motor for a sportbike. It's a budget motor with high tech electronics.
Street triple easy awnser, better components than the cbr and more power than the aprilia
I bet that rs660 won’t be running like that Honda in 20 years though
I think the 660 platform does just fine for taller riders, granted, I ride a Tuono 660, not the RS. I'm 6'4", and it's an absolute blast, love that bike. And with an exhaust it sounds amazing
It's not pointless if you enjoy it
Exactly. I have 2 liter bikes that are bananas and the least practical machines, but I love them
Put 25k, along with a handful of track days, on my Tahitian Blue '06 F4i over 4 years. The hit @ 8k rpms was something else and the riding position wasn't too bad for my 50+ year old knees. Really miss her!
Edit: Only nit I'd pick re: the comparo - A new bike with a modern suspension vs. an old bike that probably still has the original fork oil and hasn't been set up correctly does the F4i an injustice.
What did you add to the bike?
@@ceejay1364 Not too much - double bubble windscreen (made a huge diff at high speeds), frame sliders, Coffman shorty, and would swap out the front sprocket for a -1 on track days.
Hey. YES, they're still worth it. Keep in mind, the cbr600f4i WAS the supersport bike and was eventually replaced by the RR. The RR was the evolutionary step. The f4i was NEVER produced to be some detuned sport tourer. They just simply offered an Fsport and a standard until the RR.
1:03, well, honestly? my wallets the one making that decision. greedy little pocket goblin.
The problem with inline four is that it only wakes up after your second traffic fine. For normal street riding and light speeding the rs660 is probably much nicer. You can’t rev these things out every dag on normal streets.
what exhaust did the 660 have? ive been looking for one for my tuono 660 factory. so far ive found motobox and ziiv project that are the only opnes who make a good looking exhaust for the 660 platform.
Why not a GSXR 750?
You can tell yourself that the 660 twin cylinder is better when you are in the wrong gear all you want; it won't change the fact that if you know what gear to be in the I-4 is more fun. But your right 600 for the street makes little sense when there is a GSX-R750.
Loving your content my man. Just nerding out on bikes and getting out and riding. Makes me want to ride so bad.
A lot lighter? The Honda has a lighter dry weight and 20lbs heavier when wet.
Honda wheelbase is 1" more.
The exhaust appears to be the TT Racing stainless steel exhaust, found on the AF1 site.
I had been riding the 2 for all my life in riding, but when you get to the inline 4, the power is different, believe me the difference is ginormous, yeah missed the torque but on the inline you just need to live on the High rev range to get torque!
Would I trade my 20 year old F4i for the RS660?
NOPE!
Just saw you channel dude didnt know you had one! New sub glad your still on youtube doing your thing 🤙🔥👊
If I could never change the seat the Honda. If I never had to ride in the rain, wet, ice the Honda.
However the Aprilia for wet because of the tech🎉
The top end rush on an online 4 is hard to beat! I guess I'm old school now
Try something like a Superduke
Thank you for taking at least a moment to talk about engine vibration. For someone who isn't riding at 9/10 all the time on a track engine vibration is a pretty important thing and it seems like essentially no reviewers ever mention it. I find it completely baffling that it's not one of the first things that's talked about. A bike is fun and all but if you can't feel your hands and feet after 20 minutes it's kind of useless at least to me.
Any super sport 600 over these new breed of over priced budget bikes camouflaging as what we called super sport 600/mid tier pocket rockets. A parallel twin bike should never cost as much as it does right now, they are budget bikes with electronic gizmos added on.
But to be honest the f3/f4i are faster than more modern super sport 600, in drag race it whipped my d675 like nothing :P
If I don't have my low down oomph, then I don't want it
Love my dr650. Zero top end, plenty of low end torque.
I'm a RS660 owner and I agree with 99% of your impression about the bike. Regarding the accelleration test, keep in mind a couple of things: the bike is really sensitive to the rider weight and the result may vary quite a bit, I think you both tested the bike in Dynamic mode that has the middle throttle response in the settings. If you test the bike in either in Race mode or Individual with throttle setting at 1 you'll feel what the chassis was designed for. Peak power remains the same but it accellerates much more aggressively and would have give you a bigger advantage on the rolling start.
Last but not least, Aprilia released an update in the second part of 2023 that really smoothed throttle response for level 2 and 3, resulting in better response in the transition when you open the gas but a slightly slower accelleration
Is this throttle software update for all rs660 models or only the 23 model? This is my only criticism of my 22 rs660, if you are in dynamic or individual around town or slow speed riding, the throttle response is jerky / choppy and I usually resort to putting it back into commute mode
@@badassbiker78 Hi I have a '22 model as well and the update is for every model year. It's a software update that requires around 45 minutes and it really improves the bike.
I had the same feeling that you have in Dynamic and Individual (throttle map 2 and 1), now I feel very easy to ride around town in Dynamic and I use Commute mode only when I'm low on fuel. The update solves an issue that I had when downshifting from 3rd to 2nd gear in commute and dynamic. I haven't noticed any changes in Individual mode, throttle response is still aggressive and downshifting in second is not always working.
I live in Italy, so I'm not sure if it's a worldwide release, but I brought the bike for a periodical check at an official dealer and the software update was part of it.
I would pick cbr650r 2024 anyday...an all-rounder, looks so smart in red
This video is pointless.
ugh... so much talk about the torque (or the lack thereof) and the tach reads 5000 rpm,.... dude! It has many gears! Just choose one appropriate for the speed you're riding at!
Its weird. The tuono and the rs 660 feel like they have good oomph in the midrange until you are riding alongside a bike that actually has 100-110 hp. But if you rev it out, it feels a lot quicker haha.
Dude, just get the 2024 CBR600RR
RS660 is a nice daily rider, but the CBR 600, GSX-R600 and ZX6R are on another level. Maybe not as comfy or as fuel efficient, but very close and the power is always there when you need it.
Dude, U ever gunna put fairings & a windscreen on that thing...? Makes my soul hurt seeing a beautiful classic like that all gutted & looking like 💩
Holy crap adjust the bars on the Honda. They're in way too much. Elbows in your ribs and forearm cramping at it's best.
Great Vid, dont ever think on quiting, 5 more years and youll be aproaching or surpass 1M subs =)
Did he ever mention what exhaust was fitted to the Aprilia? I didn't catch it
It is the original standard exhaust.
Nothing compares to the raw power and sound of an inline 4. The twin cylinder motorcycles was a huge mistake by the motorcycle industry
I like the RS660, but I can't stand parallel twins. V-4 is my favorite with single & parallel twins being on the opposite end of the spectrum
Trust me, the rs660 isn't your typical parallel twin. I came from the rsv4 to the rs660 and it feels and sounds very similar. The 660 is pretty torquey for a smaller capacity engine but rides fantastically due to the lighter weight. Definitely advise test riding one
You have to work it to explore this bikes, buy a light scooter and you can just enjoy and relax ( just kidding) 😅
Spike the setback on those F4i clipons is killing me lol. Set them out wider like the RS's to get more leverage and the front end will feel more responsive.
There's a little tongue on the clip ons that keeps them set there. I need to grind it off
first street bike i rode when i was 18 or maybe 19 was an f4i and the first time i rode it i went 156 indicated on the dash. lol im lucky to be alive
Low-key looking at a New-Old-Stock Tuono Factory 660 from the local Aprilia dealer in PDX for Wife. However she favors the Ducati brand and specifically the Scrambler models over Aprilia
I miss my '04 F4i. It was my first new bike purchase, all others I bought used.
My old 73 CB 750 with 4 into 2 Jardine pipes had an awesome sound.
I can't stand parallel twins, imagine riding round sounding like a 125 scooter with a fart can attached🤮
Ill take my old screamers ANY DAY!!!! I dont need all that modern crap with a shit twin engine😮
or just get a naked sport like the suzuki gsx s750/1000 way cheaper and more fun
Except nothing will have the character of an inline 3 or 4. I have a '23 Z900 with full LeoVince exhaust and tune. I adore that bike. Granted its suspension isn't great in stock form. Holy cow is it fun. 130hp to the tire at 10,500rpm is incredible
The " A LOT LIGHTER" part is not true thou... via spec sheet both bikes have de same dry weight, 169kg, 372 lbs. Ready to run they are 10 kgs apart, so a lithium battery would almost equalize running weights for the CBR. But i do admit that if you going full race built, its pretty possible that the Aprilia would go much lighter, as it has much more crap to shave. (Abs module and its parts, emission stuff, cats in the exhaust system, so on) >
But great vid as always... keep it up.
The Tuareg 0:13 my Wife likes because she has read many books about the Tuareg and been to Africa many times. I think it would be a great bike for her, and she agrees and she wants to try something before the Tuareg, like a Scrambler.
Apples and oranges. Parallel twin cannot compete with inline four of the same cc speed wise. Period
We as a family are inline 4 lovers. I can't tell you how many times I started out with intentions of getting a different engine configuration, only to come home with a four banger. My son got a helluva good deal on a Suzuki bandit 600 a few years ago and although it's a good bike for him, I'm pretty set on liter bikes now too. I'm kinda considering the xsr900 but I can't help thinking that the MT10 would be a better fit for my dumb azz
How about putting the Aprilia vs other current 600cc.....⁉️
The F4i was such a good machine Honda HAD to take it off teh market, wild
Try to test them on corners, not only on the straight. The Aprilia was built to be driven
600cc sports bike makes nice noises. thats all that matters.
did you set the aprilia up at full power in the race mode if not do it it will push your ass into the seat.
that street squid is cool AF
Yeah the race right there goes to show why I like 4 cylinder bikes so much. But the 660 is an amazing package. I want to get one and upgrade to the rsv4 eventually. I think they are so cool and Italian. Like a two wheeled lambo.
Nice vid! I do like the Aprilia but those scuffs on the swinging arm? Are they from your boots?
Pretty sure they're from when it went to the track.
@@spitescorner 👍
Only being able to afford one bike, it's going to have to be Japanese for me
Nobody ever talks about insurance cost's, both of them bikes cost 2x as much as my trusty old 2001 Bandit 1200s with torque for days in any gear. For a track only bike any 600 from the mid 2000's is a great bike. Just buy a cheap bike and go have fun and learn the limits. A new bike won't make you any faster or better rider, learning suspension set up will though.
Upgrade the suspension on the f4i, its cheap and simple to do. A brembo master cylinder, lever and brake line upgrade makes a big difference as well. Also, of course, get some real mirrors and nice plastics on the thing. Spend a few hundred on the f4i's suspension and it feels lighter, corners with greater ease and is just far better than stock, even if the stock suspension isnt worn out. The f4i isnt the fastest bike around but it isnt much different than new 600s and itll certainly lay waste to a RS660 in corners or straights.