Aggressive Darts Points BANNED - HUGE New PDC Rules Change
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
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Quick video today about a brand new rule just handed down from the DRA. This new rule about dart points will affect a lot of professional players on down. Let me know what you think about this. No more destroyed dartboards! - กีฬา
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Unicorn is probably mad as hell today! They're like "sure, NOW you make the rule!" 😂😂
I was wondering the same thing. You'd think the bigger companies at least would've got a heads up.
My eclipse HD went totaly unplayable after three months of black points...no excuses...🤣
You could hang an Eclipse HD on the wall and NOT throw any darts at it and in 3 months it would be toast 😂
@@WorldwideDarts 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@WorldwideDarts the target Diamond Pro Points do not tear the board up
You can blame unicorn for everyone using aggressive points since all their darts were falling out of the board during matches. Now that they use Winmau, their darts stay in but you can see the damage it does to the board after only a few matches
Blame Simon Whitlock
Imagine losing because of the dart board quality.
Quite right I agree with the rule change no more ruined board's
This is very much like the no metal spikes rule in golf. Everyone thought they couldn't possibly play golf in soft spikes but they could. Same thing here. They don't need those ridiculous points. A pro can throw with any dart and any point out there.
Something had to be done because those boards at tv tournaments get shredded like crazy but in my opinion the new rules are a bit harsh. My Sniper Ripple points have never damaged my board in any way but I always twist them and don't just pull them straight out.The transition to the barrel on those points is just perfect for the condor axe flights and there is not a single better flowing transitioning point out there.
Let's just hope more company's start making smooth transitioning points that are easy on the condors.
Having a rounded tip was essential for the old round-wire boards (a fine point would bounce off the wire whereas the round one would tend to slide off and in)
I also used to scuff the side of the points with an abrasive material (sandpaper/sharpening stone) for added grip - it works well, try it.
This is the best way to get your points into shape
I always try to keep mine as smooth as possible, whenever I get a burr on the tip from hitting a wire or the number ring I take a smooth mill file and smooth any burrs, saves the board tons of wear. If you're throwing a dart nice and straight, the smoothness should let it slide farthest in, keeping it in the board
I think the changes are way too harsh. I use the target diamond pro grip points and since playing them I havent felt any difference in the wear of my blade 6 single core. I see why they would ban the whitlock points but that is just too harsh of a change. Will be interesting to see if there is any backlash on that from the players.
Maybe rule changes like this will prevent players like you from wasting their money on overpriced laser engraved gimmick points.. you know why they dont damage the board? Bcs they dont hold in the board better than standart black points.
ANY point that grips in the board more, will damage it more...
@@BS-jn9kh even if they are gimmicks they shouldn't be forbidden. fancy flights are more expensive than simple plain white ones and behave the same way than the white ones but no one would make a case for them to be forbidden.
@@svwjoni You are right, under the aspect that they look better; I never though of that.
I just think they cost too much and have no real upside, but as you said, if the look is worth the money to the person buying it than thats fine.
( even though the flight comparison kind of lacks, since coloured flights dont cost 8x as much as plain ones, like these points do; but it got me to the point )
Finally I hate having to play on a board ripped to shreds by the points of another players darts. It not only looks bad but it shortens the life of your boards (and they are NOT cheep)
In my opinion the rules go to far. That they not allow players to destroy boards i can understand.
I always repoint my darts with points that are not smooth but don’t damage the board.
Think if you even sand your smooth points they go above that scale.
Feel like everyone is now punished because a couple of players use board killers.
Rule is aimed at Simon Whitlock. His points are so sharp, the board looks horrible on TV.
@@therainmakerinsider But then No.18 on that scale is way too smooth. I have some more agressive points and they do zero damage. The problem are the diamond grip coated points, sandblasted ones do nothing
Great video. I did hear about it the other day. I think it's a bit strict, a few of the types of points you mentioned, don't wreck boards so I can't see the problem. Have they done the research to determine what type of point does the most damage? People have been wanted a rule of sorts coz of Whitlock, but wow these rules are completely the other way 👍🏼🎯
Your on point brother, heard it first @Worldwide Darts 👍👍
I'm always the last to know here in the states 😂
Never understood why an aggressive point was needed. Also even when only smooth points were the only points an old timer taught me how to remove my darts from the board with respect to the board. Always twist and turn as you remove it. A board courtesy technigue I guess. Still do it without thinking as opposed to yanking them out.
Those aggressive points, they definetly mess with the bristles on a dart board and shorten its life. Always shot with smooth points. When the point started to get polished from play and start to fall out I just rubbed them with 320 grit emery and they got nice and sticky again.
i agree I do the same.👍
No more storm micro grip points , I have them on my darts , I like them 😮
I use the Eagle Darts "talon" and "hawk" grip points in some of my sets. The talon grip definitely won't be legal anymore. I thought the less aggressive hawk grip might qualify, but looking at that VDI scale it seems like the points basically have to be smooth. I don't find that these points cause significantly more damage to the board than a smooth point though. They certainly don't tear it to pieces like Whitlock or Sherrock's points. Imo a max level of maybe 27 or 30 on the VDI probably would've been fine. Will be interesting to see what players are using at the Pro Tour this weekend!
Also, reading point 2 of the new rule, does that rule out Unicorn Volute points as well? Have heard very good things about them and apparently do next to no damage to the board. Perhaps the grooves being somewhat parallel to the point length will save them.
Oh! What about point "sharpeners" / sand paper, stuff like that? prolly illegal now too, huh?
Lifetime ban 😂
@@WorldwideDarts pahaha but when do these rules come into force? Dobey still used the nail file points today
Probably at the next PDC event. I honestly have no idea though.
@@timhardersDobey has to publicly sharpen his darts . Mind games .......
@@WorldwideDarts 2024
I've been annoyed by the Wizards points just watching from television! Watching a board change over the course of just a few legs is crazy. It has definitely affected matches.
When he plays in the local Portsmouth league/Hants Superleague he actually gives the pub a new board because he knows he's about to ruin theirs...
I have the fire edge points and they do no damage what so ever on my board. The grip on them is really nice and my finger sometimes slip if I use smooth points.
Hi WW, I think josh rock uses the titan pro from memory, I think they're smooth
All because of one guy bustin' up the boards?
Most PDC pros use an aggressive tip, curious what effect this will have on sponsors. The only player I can think of whose tips noticeably damaged the face of the board was Justin Pike. After only two legs the 20 segment was in terrible condition.
Interesting stuff for discussion!
DRA rule 5.1.2 still has a lot of doubts I think... What is for example the exact definition of "generally parallel" (5.1.2 ii)? Do all the dart referees have the same "standard of decision making" regarding dart board damage by dart points? And if all players damage the board equally according to the "expert referee", just continue playing then?
By the way: these new rules might still be finetuned, since they start to be effective from the start of the 2024 season.
So for now : Game - still - On! 🎯
Will be interesting to see if they have an official at every PDC tournament to check players darts before each match 🤔
You can still use some of the points, that have the grip but it has to be 15mm away from the tip so it doesn’t shred it. So if you busy points with grip at the top you should be ok. Not to mention now they are going to come out with tips that will meet this code. But it is a big shock that right off the bat.
I know the Unicorns got a bad rep. Whilst not a problem for me as a light thrower, some guys in my league have no end of trouble with the Winmau Blade Sponge Boards!
These rules seem to go a little far, don't think the return of more bounce-outs can be a positive change.
Maybe we can go back to round-wired board with staples too?
On a serious note, it reads to me that my Volutes would still be ok, as their groove is parallel to the Point?
This simply needed to happen! It was well overdue! Smooth black points are perfect anyway and grip the board very well. Seems like ONE80 Aztec points that are laser etched with a pattern are also now out!
Yeah, although to be fair if they're anything like the Target Onyx point for board wear that's probably a good thing. Shame about the diamond pros and nanos though, as they don't seem to change board life that much...
I can see the need for a call for a standard, but unlike the weight allowance for darts, the point standard is a bit stringent. I’d die if Whitlock switched to 50g darts with the first 15mm “clean” on the point followed by death. Tail up dart throwing is about to become the standard.
I agree. The weight "rules" are idiotic aren't they? It used to be a 50 gram max and I think it's been lowered to 42g or something like that. Like anyone is ever going to use a dart that heavy. Hell, Ryan Searle is the oddball out and he uses "only" 32 grams. Nowhere near the max limit. Yes, these point rules seem harsh imo. Strict anyway
I just ordered Swiss diamond pro points lol
Good for home, now my dog can feel comfortable resting under my dartboard without falling darts.
I love all the Target Storm points but, I did just try out some Harrows and they are waaay too aggressive. Going to change them. The "grip rings" go all the way in and leaves a massive hole. I get it
Be interesting if it comes down to Superleague/local leagues the standard of boards we have to play on... I use smooth points at home but nano grips at the pub (which I guess are outlawed now)
Crazy thing is that nano grip does nothing to the board, no more damage than normal points
@@lucaschmitt1396 exactly, but they do stay in poor board surfaces better...
I wonder if this going to be the end of Silver points all together. The first thing I do with any new darts I buy is re-point them with 38/40mm points. Mostly I use black points but I do have some darts that Silver points just look way better to the setup. With the Silver points tho, I 100% of the time use sandpaper on them and scuff the hell out of the points. Silver points (as you already know) are trash at staying in the board. A question I have is, does a silver point that has been scuffed with sandpaper not qualify under these new rules. I would think they would be illegal now. If I made my living throwing darts there is no way I would trust a standard Silver point that has not been scuffed. Thank You WWD for passing along this new rule change. I love you work. Cheers.
I can see those fire tips being kicked out of the ADO which will trickle down possibly to the smaller town leagues.
Not that it will affect local leagues really...but if it did I'd be fuming. I throw between 14-17g darts and without Target Storm Nano Grips I'm screwed with drop outs, especially on firmer boards. And these points don't even tear the board up at all!
Hello can you do a review on the van Gerwan diomand dart board please
Idk if stupid question are the mission lunar points considered for this ban?
I use “boardkiller” diamond points but if you pull it out slowly it does literally ZERO damage to a Winmau board, or a very few sisal comes out after hours of playing. These changes are ridiculous in my humble opinion.
I mean, they banned ear defenders instead of being harder on the disrespectful crowd, points ruling is dumb, whitlock is not unbeatable, also eliminating grippy points is unhealthy for both competition and business, i love using target fire edge points and now I'm an outlaw
My question is this...if this has been an ongoing issue why are they just now addressing it? And so harshly. No must be changed by xx? Something feels off. But who am I to judge, I'm a local small time player. Great video sir. Please follow up if you get any more info.
I agree. Seems a bit strict and overkill. They actually brought out a VDI scale for points? 😂
When I first heard the rule yesterday I immediately said rob cross is having a bad day at the office
what about if we sharpen our points? could they be ruled too rough? do we have to change points when they become dull?
I've never sharpened a point in my life. Sharp points equals more bounce outs off the wires. You'll also ruin your dartboard quicker as the spider will get chewed up with sharp points
I wonder what the reading would be on MVG’S very roughed up points in his old faithfuls ?
In protest I think the players should cover the board in chalk. It worked for Keith deller.
For me it doesnt matter, i have always used standard points that come with the darts. They never failed me. Its the way some players throw, that makes a dart fall out of the board. Never even thought about using different points
I just bought the golden 35mm Target Firepoint SP. Those are really sticky. Luckily I don't compete in tournaments
As long as I can keep using points that have finger grip, I'm good.
So the Fallon Sherrock darts would be out as well I guess?
Will see what will giants say about that,unicorn,mission,target..all have that kind of points..will see..
I always use normal black points, these rule makes no difference for me.
So are points with grip near the barrel of the dart still permitted or are they banned as well?
The rules only pertain to the first 15mm of the point. The sharp end. So you're good.
@@WorldwideDarts ahh brill, the rules were confusing to me haha, thank you!
Can you recommend a point with good grip near the barrel?
We don't need crazy points anymore since Unicorn boards are not longer used
big fan of the nano points from target... shame they're illegal too... I only play at home so it doesn't matter. I just hope they keep making them...
Wow! New point rules changes are extreme. Certainly, some points out there cause board damage in only a few games and those should have been outlawed years ago! Personally I use 600-800 grit emery paper on my silver points every couple of weeks and they stick like glue! Wonder if that is even legal? Don't ask, don't tell may apply!
Played with normal points , got a runners up on the weekend
Does the mission sniper lunar then fall into this? I only just brought 2 sets of them now I can't use them?
Rule doesn't start until 2024
@Worldwide Darts I found out that this won't effect us here in Australia so I'm good haha
I agree with the rule change, seeing all the boards destroyed had to stop,
Gt points by red dragon no more allowed?
So this is live, even for events like europran tour qualifiers?
I use those target diamond points, so they might need changing by the looks of it
Anything under the PDC umbrella, or regulated by the DRA
What about target diamond points?
Worldwide; I think it's a very good idea; some of those points literally tear up the boards. My opinion, but I also think this should be applicable to tournaments and leagues here in the US. The points were starting to get out of control with each new iteration. These latest rules have to be pissing off the manufacturers. I checked all my dart sets; it would only require me to change out about 3 sets; not too bad. What's your opinion? Thanks and keep the reviews rolling.
I agree with them...but points like Target Diamonds arent that bad for the board.
That's ridiculous. I need grip on my points for my throw. So at least I have an excuse why I never got to be a pro
As long as the first 15mm is smooth then you're fine
@@WorldwideDarts No, i need my Nano Storm Points. I grip right at the front
@@Beelzeboss6666 RIP 🙏
for me its more about them sticking in the board, I'll have to change the dartboard more often now, since i have a very light throw... and lets be real here: stuff like nano or diamond points dont effect the board, they just need to make the pros stop ripping them out of the board like maniacs... slight twist, thats it, gotta stock up on points before no one sells them anymore
@@timharders completely agree
wth i use the fire edge points why is it so crazy those points the grop of it is not even hitting the board . and the traingle fit is not even killing the board the holes close easier with them i think this is all crazy i do understand must points but not all of them to put a side
I use them too and they don't damage the board. I have my middle finger on the point and if I use smooth points my finger slip.
Damb i use swiss diamond cut points
Chris Dobey too
this has to be a joke, i mean diamond points dont ruin the board! its only the nail file points...
lets see if those even count
What about the grooved Swiss points?
I think that I means that what everyone start to see is that the Winmau Blade 6 Triple core is not a great dartboard. Let see what a lot of players will do like Cross, Dobey, Fallon and Whitlock just to give a example.
No surprise at all here, just surprised it has taken so long
Wel, i am happy. It is just back tho normal.
I think that's good.
My Target Gabriel Clemens would be banned - unless I smoothed out the last 15 mm of the microgrip point - all good - this rule is great, I support it. Winmau Freeflow points will always be good enough for me
I broke 4 freeflow points before switching.
@@tiffanykemp1109 I have broken one of the bevels from over cranking the re pointer once…otherwise no issues.
at first i thought that since everyone has to follow the same rules, it's fair. who cares points destroy boards, they are pros and have sponsors give them boards. But on further contemplation this rule punishes the people who have a softer lob kind of throw. They could get away with those danglers by using grooved points, but no more. Now you're putting the players who throw soft lobs at a disadvantage. Do they think it's an unfair advantage for players to use aggressive points since they stick better in the board? So what the rules used to permit it so everyone could do it. Kind of a dumb change if you ask me
About time.
Rip searle, bunting, cross
I'm kind of glad this rule is in, particularly when it comes to whitlock, I love Simon Whitlock but I hate seeing his points just ripping the board to shreds
These guys play on premium boards and aggressive points probably aren't needed. However, different story for us mere plebeians that play a lot of pub darts where the boards are more often than not beat to hell. Twice it happened to me that my game winning shot hit the double bull and fell out. Give me a decent board and I'll gladly swap out my Diamond points.
That wouldn’t be half as ruined if everyone used standard points
@@silverreverence6176 true to a degree ... everything has a beginning, middle and end ...
Welp...looks like I'm not going on the PDC with those Fernandez darts! 🤷♂ haha Actually, probably 40% of my collection would be out.
Time to send them back my way I guess. I'll look after them. I just checked the house rules here in central NY and those points are allowed 😂
Seems more about the money to me than anything else. Controlling the market and vague reasons. It doesnt look good enough isnt a good enough reason to me. Fishy...
I have to disagree with this. They are professionals, and of course this rule will effect the peons of darts as well. I don't care if the dartboard gets used and abused its supposed to get ruined. Not happy with this rule at all. I use these type of points on my darts cus I use the tip to support the dart when I throw, I don't hold my darts like the typical person does.
Get points that are an extra 15mm longer and smooth and you are sorted ? It is only the the first 15mm of the point that the rules effect ; I would doubt any one uses the entire length of their points as a grip area . Also am I right thinking that the PDC has no control of non professional leagues regulations , or any other league at all ? I don't think us amateurs need worry . If you really get paranoid that the manufacturers will stop producing 'board wreckers ' go and buy a few sets as spares . If enough folk rushed out and bought up the stock of the points I bet the factories would be rushing to make more of them !
What if those rules would affect other sports.
No slick tires.
No speedos.
No wishbone.
No brain....etc....
👍
Would be nice if the board makers innovated a bit and made a more durable board. Sick and tired of people complaining about points
I only agree if they destroy the dartboard that is so ugly and irritating. When will these new rules valid I can imagine that they have some time to change darts
I thought the new rule would start right away but it's for the 2024 season
Its a completely bullshits imo. Everyone who ever played darts know the pain of dropped dart. As we can see in lot of matches, dropped darts can cost u a lot, like matchdarts or can cost u a lot of points which can cost you a leg. And now if players cannot use points with "grip" it will be clownfiest at the board, i hope they will add one extra judge for pick uping darts. :D
About time
Yes, safe the dartboards! :) I guess winmau is behind this, not a good presentation when a 100$ board looks like crap after Simon finished his round ;)
He used to make a mess of Unicorn boards as well if memory serves.
@@richardwales9674 no doubt :)
Are Nano points still good?
I like them
I think he meant if they are still allowed. I am using them as well 😅
Yeah that's what I meant lol. If they are still legal
I don't think so but the last rule indicates it's up to the tourney director. Depends on how strict they're going to be. But I'd say no, they're more than an 18 on the scale
Haha, I'm an idiot 😂
Doesn’t bother me As a darter I don’t fall under those rules.
I agree with this rule, maybe they could make the rule so that the tolerance for roughness is a little higher.
Some players destroyed the playing targets a lot
Complete rubbish. Rather than address poor quality dart boards. Luckily I'm not a pro so will keep my diamond cross points
Just wondering but where did you find the source for these changes? I can't find any source on this and i'd like to read it myself. Just my opinion but I call bullshit on your part.
What do you mean by bullshit on my part? Do you think I'm making this up?
@@WorldwideDarts lol. Nah I was being sarcastic. As if there's no way possible that rule changes like this could accrue... My apologies man.
@@brandonreed57 No worries. You asked for a source though. It's in the updated DRA Rules... www.thedra.co.uk/dra-rulebook
@@WorldwideDarts I don't need to see it. It sounds exactly like what the PDC is moving towards. Just like banning the ear coverings that Price wore.
@@WorldwideDarts I think that a player should be allowed whatever means that makes them the most comfortable which leads to their upmost consistency. As long it's not a bother to the other player. I don't know if many have complained about tips messing up the dart board while playing. If anything I think it's a problem with a quality board. If it can't handle a few hundred darts thrown at it by two players without having to be charged then I would think that the PDC board members, which I don't like so much anymore, could put money into making their own or going back to unicorn
Start playing darts serious are points that really big of a deal
For the last 3 years, give or take, points have become a HUGE deal. Several companies have popped up in the UK that specialize in only points. At a guess I'd say it's the biggest accessory in dart sales.
@@WorldwideDarts cool thank you keep up the great work
Yes. I have noticed with Sniper Nanos I get more/better grip as I put one finger on the point. I'm convinced they have a smooth bit before the nano bit kicks in... Tape measure time. 🙂
Edit: 11mm. 😟
@@WorldwideDarts Should us amateurs worry though ; surely only PDC pros need to follow the rules of the PDC , we are not under their control .
@@davidyendoll5903 It can trickle down to local leagues. Here in the USA not so much but definitely in the leagues in the UK. They have a better support system over there.
I do expect the CDC and possibly the ADO here in the USA to follow these rules at some point.
Whitlock Crying In the Corner😭 . . .
Wokeness taking over darts. Very very sad.
I always sharpen my points radially which leaves small grooves; IS THIS NOW ILLEGAL?
Odd. I have never sharpened a point in my life. Sharp points lead to WAY more bounce outs
@@WorldwideDarts Sometimes if the dart bounces out and lands on a hard surface the point gets turned over . That is the only time I sharpen mine . But a quick file of the points sides , just a nail file is needed , improves the darts chances of staying in the board for me . I do throw with a light touch as I find I am more accurate that way , so I have more fall outs than most , rather than bounces , if the board is old or just bad quality . Maybe I should use them 50 gram beasts !
Finally.