Imagine this hopeless shower in the war. "I'm not blacking out my windows, don't tell me what to do, you're not having my pots and pans, I refuse to have my freedom infringed by rationing, I'm not carrying an ID card, I've never seen a Nazi soldier, don't even believe they really exist, it's just a big con to control us." How dare they invoke war spirit. They wouldn't last a week in a real war.
I barred Mr Oliver from a pub I worked in about 16 years go for being a drunk bellend... He gave me "do you know who I am" chat and told me he would tell everyone he knows not to come in to the pub and I would "be ruined". Nice bloke eh!
"If my freedom to be in the pub with my mates, lights blaring, during the Blitz means that you lot next door get bombed to smithereens, then so be it".
Oliver has had a very difficult pandemic. The histrionics. The hyperbole. He's completely lost the plot. Embarrassing. My grandad fought the Nazis but he also fought polio. He would see this for what it is. A temporary inconvenience.
Did nobody point out to Neil Oliver that the longest mainland Europe has gone without a war is from 1945 to now. Which incredibly happens to coincide with the EU existing.
@@simonmason8582 since the European Union expanded eastwards, after the conflict ended, Eastern Europe has seen unparalleled improvements in government structure, investment and opportunities for its citizens, and yes no long conflicts in EU states. The only countries in eastern europe that are still having to live with a censored press, no permitted opposing to the ruling government, and long standing conflict are Ukraine, turkey, Belarus and maybe a few others like Azerbaijan and such which are all non EU countries
As Nick Clegg wrote about "some" Brits years ago - "all nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off".
That would be the same Nick Clegg that lied about tuition fees to get into government then lied through his teeth to the whole country when he claimed that an EU armed forces “ was a dangerous fantasy and lie spread by the leave campaign” even though he’d been at the heart of the EU for a decade and knew full well of the EUs plans ( announced two weeks after the referendum ) for a nuclear armed EU armed forces under the command of the unelected commission and a United EU foreign policy ......next time your going to post BS with your head up your arse , take your foot out of your mouth first. .
Nope , it’s a battle group , with plans to expand it to a pan EU force under the command of the unelected commission with a unified foreign policy headed by an appointed foreign minister answerable to the commission .....but Nick Clegg could have told you that 10 years ago , and what was Nick Clegg reward for lying about the EUs intentions and slurring those who exposed it as liars and fantasists .......a multimillion contract with Facebook to decide what we can say and read in Facebook.........you couldn’t make it up .
Churchill was an utter disaster for Britain, as many Britons knew at the time which is why they gave him the boot in 1945. It saddens me how such a large part of the UK population blindly believes the myths of WW2. We largely provoked WW2 (encouraged by France), we elevated a German border dispute into a world war, we then did nothing for a few years before the Russians and the Yanks baled us out in the last year of the war. In consequence, we lost an empire (which was probably a good thing) and have been bankrupt ever since. We are now a 'has been' nation in terminal decline on the north west fringes of Europe.
The closest Neil Oliver ever got to the beaches of Dunkirk was watching the black and white movie some lazy Sunday afternoon on Channel 4. He lauds the sacrifice of others losing life and limb in war whilst refusing to make the most trivial sacrifices when his nation finally called on him
@@jackelliot547 the last survivors of WW2 are in their 90s now. Perhaps masking up to not kill them off is a smaller sacrifice asked of us than was asked of them
“There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.” - *Winston Churchill* , 'Speech to the academic youth’ held at the University of Zurich in 1946
@@domingodesantaclara1130 It's a quote. It's neither "left" or "right". As is the record of Winston Churchill. It's just history. Yes Churchill had views abhorrent for today. Yes, Churchill was the leader the country needed in WWII. But those that cherry pick from Churchill's legacy to prop up their political ideology should be ashamed - not because they are using Churchill - but because they are cherry-picking from Churchill.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 So what Churchill said is wrong then? Do you dispute what he said or the idea behind it? Or do you not like the idea of people quoting uncomfortable Churchill statements because it forces you into a dilemma?... on the one hand he's the right wing god who won the war and on the other he's spouting seemingly socialist statements, must be hard for you.
Let’s not loose the point, the reason the quote from Churchill is significant is because the arse that took us out of the European community, was an admirer of Churchill’s, and had this quote been used at the time leading up to the referendum, then Johnson would have looked foolish. It’s no wonder Johnson went quiet for a very long time before he could tell us whether he was for or against leaving the community. This guy tries to model himself embarrassingly, on Churchill. The only similarity is his terrible posture.
well, there is a solution. let the man work for a couple of months in an intensive care ward, and let the man see a couple of deaths due to covid and finally let the man stay with people who have their lives destroyed by C19. I'd venture a bet that he will change his tune very very quickly... get vaccinated , stay safe, care for you neighbour and friends and most of all stay civil and social.
So his heroes were conscripted, gave up years of their lives, ( and often their lives), obeyed orders, made huge sacrifices. But he won’t wear a mask at certain times. Have I missed something?
@Mickey Mouse That and any MP who votes for war should have their children conscripted to a "frontline" unit in the military. If they dont have children or their children are too young - They can go instead
@Mickey Mouse And let those who want war pay for war and all the associated costs. And not force the rest of us to indulge their chickenhawk narcissism.
My great uncle was in ww1 , he came all the way from Jamaica 🇯🇲 to fight in France and ended up with shell shock and was sent back to Jamaica , and my family didn't understand what shell shock was , I think he ended up in a mental asylum, this was quite common for black soldiers to be treated like shit after the great war's.
Winston Churchill quote"If I was a few years younger I might have been the first President of the United States of Europe". He was a supporter of a united Europe.
I believe you made that up , I can’t find the quote anywhere , do please provide a link or retract it . It sounds like a misquote from a speech Churchill gave to the USA Congress .
@@seanclark2085 A believer in English Exceptionalism and Unicorns. Churchill published his original written programme for what he interchangeably called “the European Union” or “United Europe” in the The Daily Telegraph on 30 and 31 December 1946. Its title: “United Europe: One way to stop a new war.” In the two-part article, among other things, Churchill presented his expansive view of Britain’s global role as a partner in three great overlapping “circles”: the English-speaking world (the “special relationship” with America), the British Empire and Commonwealth, and the European Union..In his 1946 Telegraph article, Churchill drew a roadmap for European integration that started with the creation of the Council of Europe. First, he argued, the Council of Europe would have to work steadily towards “the abolition or at least the diminution of tariff and customs barriers.” Second, it would “strive for economic harmony as a stepping-stone to economic unity.” Third, it would have to “reach some common form of defence.”10 And fourth, inseparably woven with all of the above, it would have to establish a common currency. European postage stamps, passports, and trading facilities would all flow out naturally from the “main channel” of the Council. Like it or not, the unity in Europe is to a great extent the evolved and still organically developing legacy of Winston Churchill.
I asked you to provide a link to the alleged Churchill quote ?! , you posted selections from an article that didn’t mention the quote , so I will ask again , please provide a link or tell me where I can find the alleged quote I believe you made up , it’s quite simple .
The British people were told by the Remain campaign ( Nick Clegg, deputy prime minister and leader of the remain campaign) that plans for an EU armed forces were “ A dangerous fantasy and a lie spread by Brexiters “ . In your post you refer to the UKs opposition to this ! , yet the people of the UK were told this would never happen should we remain in the EU ! I’m sure that you , being so morally superior and obviously more intelligent than your average punter , would like to offer your thoughts on this contradiction . Were the UK people lied to by the Remain campaign ? Did they believe that by concealing the EUs true intentions the UK people would vote to remain ? And lastly may I ask you what you think of the morality of an organisation that would lie about its true intentions in order to deceive 60+ million people ?
@@seanclark2085 You sad little boy, maybe read the post? I never said anything about a combined EU Army, maybe get you mum to read it to you? Maybe while your speaking to her ask her who Winston Churchill was?
I've met many people who fought in both wars, and not a single time has one of them ever said anything positive about it. The First was a (I was going to describe it in a more explicit way) Royal ego trip, and the second was the result of reparations crippling an economy. Although, the second was necessary, it needn't have happened. I liked your piece, but I genuinely think that you won't change minds with it. People don't really want to accept the reality of what these wars meant. They were brutal and ugly. People drowned in mud and got fried by the biggest fires unleashed on the planet (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) and on the other side, the dreaded camps. The bombing of Britain, the bombing of Dresden, people boiled alive. There's nothing heroic about any of it, other than brave lads who went to fight because they were taught that it's the thing to do, until they came up against the machine guns. I respect all that, and I think that politicising wars, with the implication that the people who fought them would have been patriotic Brexiteers or Boris Johnson voters is simply wrong. Most of those who I met would have been so against this right wing nonsense. Trouble is, the far right have commandeered the flag and the war effort. The people who exploit history should rightfully be educated. Trouble is - they're winning. For now...
It's funny how anybody right of centre has to be educated. If the down trodden are forgotten about don't be surprised when they vote leave and vote Boris. Maybe that's why there winning at the minute.
The reparations did not cause WW2. That was a Nazi myth. The Weimar Repiblic several times defaulted and the allies did....Nothing. Most ordinary Germans didn't give a shit about Versailles. In fact many german workers benefitted from it because the Weimar republic had more money to spend on social projects and benefits because it's defence spending was now negligible. It was only the warmongering nationalistic imperialists and Junker class that felt 'humiliated' It was the nightmare of the Wall Street crash that allowed the Nazis to get a grip in German Politics. It was also assisted by the the German Communist Party following flawed direction of Stalin that the real enemy was the Liberal Democrats and to ignore the Nazis.
Interestingly enough the veterans who had gone through the nightmare of WWI +WW2 voted for entering into the EU. The post-war generation, who only knew the war from idealized tales of the war generation, voted for Brexit. The food stamps were abolished in Britain more than 10 years later than in Europe. Finally the EU was born as a peace project to stop another European Great war to occur, but that part never found its way into British brains. That's why it was squandered so easily. Well if that cone lately Viking feel he has a license to give deliberately Corona other people, then may be the British personal liability laws may have to be used against irresponsible and anti social individuals like this.
@@briangreen6602 Depends on the opinion. If the other person has an opinion with no constructive elements whatsoever (for example, that it is their right to infect others with a disease) I think it would be quite appropiate to call them at least dimwits.
@@seanclark2085 These Brexit extremists have absolutely no self awareness and an absolute certainty in their pronouncements , it’s Brexit Uber Alles all the way
My grandparents and parents wanted to forget the war years and move on. Let’s not forget Mosley and the British fascists who this man and others seem to be part of.
My grandad was an aeroplane mechanic in the war. The war made people more collectivist, more resourceful, more appreciative. I’m glad my grandad isn’t alive today to see people like Oliver shitting all over his name.
Yep my grandad too. Bombed on a ship coming back from France on the Lancastria. He told me that being from our seaside town saved his life because he was a strong swimmer. He said that he tried to get in several lifeboats and was pushed out by his fellow soldiers, he did add though if he recognised the ones who pushed him out at reunions he would punch them. He also told the army to shove their medals up their arse because even though he was in the country they wouldn’t give him compassionate leave to attend his 2 year old daughters funeral. We are quite a belligerent family 😂😂 we’ve got his medals now though and my nephew has them.
Oliver is a particularly divisive figure up here in Scotland, he is a proud unionist who would put an oranage order leader to shame, he has written copious amounts of staunch anti independence articles out there, so, he basically thinks half of us are less than worthy of life, he went full on mental a couple of years ago, seems he needs to see a doctor
I love all these right wing GB News types invoking the ghost of Churchill. Can anyone point to the speech where Churchill said 'We've just got to get on with our lives and learn to live with the nazis'?
🤔 Really? Then what would your mother suggest we do in 1939 in response to the outbreak of the Second World War? Sit on our hands? Send a strong letter of condemnation to Herr AH, Berlin? I await your response with interest . . . !
My Grandfather died as a result of the 1918 pandemic and the effect it had on our family is still very real today. Also, all these wars through history were started by strongmen who wanted more and more power. The EU has brought peace to Europe. Even Putin thinks twice about attacking both the military and economic might of the EU. Empathy is the key word here , not some egotistical 'personal freedom' imagined to be at threat.
Should have stuck to wandering around the coastline, plenty of wind on the cliffs and beaches to blow away such guff. My father (Royal Fusiliers and Parachute Regiment), uncles (Royal Artillery, Royal Military Police, Royal Navy, Royal Air Force (Bomber Command), never talked in this way. Mostly, they never said a word. Nor did my grandparents, one set, bombed out of house and home twice and losing a son in the Battle of Crete. That grandfather, sapper, in the First World War, never talked about his time digging tunnels towards German lines. My father was patriotic - as children we stood at attention during the National Anthem as everyone else fled - but he was critical of triumphalism and of phoney patriots, agreeing with Max Hastings about the end of war celebrations that those who thought the least, rejoiced most, and those who thought the most, rejoiced the least. My father would coolly despise Farage’s antics in the Channel. As for Oliver’s nonsense about his freedom to give another Covid, I can hear Dad say, ‘Greater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.’ He’d put on his mask like a poppy. Oliver’s notion of freedom is ridiculous, selfish and a charter for horrors untold. Best to go back to banging on about beaches, sir.
@@dave4511 What a ridiculous comment. Even the earliest trials were only conducted 12 month ago. Whilst the prognosis is very promising, there is no actually data whatsoever available about the medium to long term, effects.
@@dave4511 well , we'll see how things develop over the next two years or so . You just keep getting your booster twice a year while stronger and stronger variants come out . I'll wait and see how this pans out thanks. It is now the world's biggest ever experiment I agree there.
I can’t stomach that either. 2 generations of bakers, butchers, postmen, teachers, farmers etc and their sons, brothers, nephews, cousins - forcibly slaughtered for absolutely nothing!!! Poor souls had no choice lest they and their families be shamed.
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. it’s not even that we don’t know how they felt. We do. There’s thousands of letters that are held as historical documents. Everyone of them writing home lamenting their decision to conscript to fight & the horrible conditions of the trenches but more than ever what they were actually fighting for. Still even now, historians can’t actually agree on how WW1 became what it was.
@@johnlavery3433 The Belgian King Albert as commander in chief did not want to see his soldiers slaughtered uselessly. No large offensives which could have wiped out the 50.000 man strong Belgian army in 1 day, instead just "holding the fort". Meanwhile the Queen served as a nurse.
@@Fredric_Cedrich My late grandfather returned from the 'Great War' minus an arm, a leg, and any remaining respect for a 'democratic country' that could commit so many to casual slaughter. His favourite quote was from Yeats... "Those that I fight I do not hate. Those that I guard I do not love!" Just before he died, he wrote out what he wanted on his gravestone... "Some of me lies here - some still lies in France, along with too many friends. As to why, I die none the bloody wiser!"
People fought the war for their own freedom, and after that Churchill promoted a united Europe for peace. Turns out it was a great ideas that gave us peace for 70 years.
People fought the war because they were conscripted and obedient; also because many were on-board with getting rid of Hitler. The peer group pressure to fight was also another reason. I doubt if many of them even examined what Fascism was. It was Churchill that declared war on Germany, so the German mindest would have been, now we have to defend ourselves against the British.
That peace : nothing to do with the thousands of US troops, tanks and fighter jets stationed around Europe? Not to mention the ICBMs pointed at USSR? You're funny.
So if my fist should happen to connect with his face at great speed, then so be it. I’m a free man and should face no legal restrictions in doing so because Spitfires.
Driving down road always looking in rear view mirror, and also real historians would know 20% of battle Britain pilots were non British including 10% polish , and 10% other European and North American’s . British forces actually consisted of huge numbers of non British ie Indian, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, Polish, Free French And South African plus many more.
Polish fighter pilots were some of the bravest of all. There were something like 17,000 Polish airmen in the RAF, that needs some serious thinking about. Neither should we forget the thousands of men who came here from the West Indies - from Jamaica, Grenada, Trinidad etc.
In reality the lesson people should be taking from Britain's role in WW2 in relation to Covid is the value of collective solidarity in the face of disaster. The very thing Oliver is arguing against
You are right, but it was not just the bits in the collective. The free polish pilots in the battle of Britain. The really brave Sikhs in Italy. The soldiers from the Caribbean Islands. Who we shat on after the war. The Canadians who lost there lives in Deipe. The free french. The Norwegian sailors. I could go on on
@@adrianday8678 exactly right; it was a collective solidarity which extended beyond our own borders. Something worth bearing in mind when conservatives bring up the war just in an effort to encourage jingoistic, exclusionary national "pride"
When all other arguments are exhausted, all that is left for these professional xenophobes is WW2 rhetoric. And this unqualified, self appointed, TV historian is not alone with his selfish opinions.
My aunt was in a japanese prison of war camp in Java. She was Dutch and the Indonesian islands dutch colonies. Her husband, my uncle, met her when the Gurkah's and freed them from the camp. She never liked to talk about it but when she did the stories were horrendous. My uncle went thru hell too and not once did i hear them support war. They were both staunch socialists and would be shocked at the state of this country. It is not long since they died and Ioss them terribly and miss their advice but they must be turning in their graves.
Britons today would reject conscription, blackouts, nights in air raid shelters, cooperation with allies, migrants in the ranks of their armed forces, and lose the war.
Brexit Britain is obsessed with war the fact that you can constantly watch WW2 on British channel is disturbing! EU countries believe Britain need to hit rock bottom and rebuild again
The thing that annoys me, he rants about his ancestors fighting and dying etc etc. They made sacrifices for the betterment of everyone, their lives were given to secure the future. Neil's been asked to put a bit of cloth on his face... the 'sacrifices' he's been asked to make are less than nothing compared to those of his ancestors.. His ancestors would and should be ashamed of him...
@@JC-rd7ev enlighten me. Explain how staying 2mtrs from people and putting some cloth on your face is in anyway comparable to the sacrifices made by the generations that have gone before.
neil oliver's qualifications are in archology, he is also a tv presenter, who presents what are described as historic documentary programmes the accuracy of which do not stand close scrutiny when one troubles to do a little research then realises that the same neil oliver has added his own wee slant to historic events changing facts to fiction to fit his own misguided agenda.
Glad we lost the war and do not suffer from the British unhealthy obsession with the war. Greetings from Germany. In my view that obsession is pathological by now.
People who gave their lives during the War did so for the sake of their loved ones and their community. They would be appalled at Neal's declaration that they did so, so that he would have the right to endanger the community by giving them COVID. He truly has lost sight of the greater picture - if he ever had it in sight, a point that is now quite debatable.
That is a very astounding view to hold. I think people forgot about the existence of quarantine laws. During medical training I was taught governments can legally detain people against their will for three primary reasons. A criminal violation, mental health certification, and threat to public health due to infectious disease. No you absolutely do NOT have the freedom to transmit infectious diseases to your fellow citizens and I do not want to live in a society where that kind of freedom exist. The fact that people have to refute his nonsense is ridiculous. By his logic, people infected with Ebola going around and spitting on people is also exercising freedom? Quarantine law already exist on the books in many jurisdiction, it really is the time to take the gloves off and start enforcing.
I didn’t like it when he talked about the Vikings. He seemed to offer so much supposition without any evidence. We turned him off, and that was before he joined GBNews.
Evidence !!!! , is the result of a democratic vote not evidence enough ? , or do you prefer the fascist model where an elite decide what is best for us ?
Dear Otto ( yes i know it's a pen name) rest assured that not only your sharp intellector your witty comments, but even your look and hair are way more successful than any presumed History narrator (and , yes i am actually extremely gentle toward asomeone who studied eventually history without much of a profit from my humble point of view). You and the whole staff there keep on keeping us happy (and extremely amused) with your remarkable work. I ( we all) love you. Might God always bless the good work of investigative reporters and fake narrative bebunkers like you and the staff at Byline...You just are the cream of this (miserable) world. Ciao -with the greatest possible admiration- from Italy
Do you have a specific link to the interview you reference ? And, why is it not referenced in the description of this video ? Honestly, I'm interested in watching it.
He's not a historian he's an archaeologist and he isn't very good at either job. If you need any proof of that just watch a program by him about the highland clearances, absolute tosh and my father didn't fight for the likes of him.
Pretty sure he's a historian and not an archaeologist, and his career seems to be doing just fine as GBNews is outdoing its BBC and Sky equivalents after just a few weeks.
@@Rosebud100 I was going to use the word t@@t but went with plonker as it seems more palatable. To Me when I say plonker I’m not meaning he’s not intelligent, he’s obviously got some brains and done well in life but his actions are often that of what I would call a plonker
@@Rosebud100 I was going to use the word t@@t but went with plonker as it seems more palatable. To Me when I say plonker I’m not meaning he’s not intelligent, he’s obviously got some brains and done well in life but his actions are often that of what I would call a plonker
A great irony is that most Brexiters are English, culturally or genetically (or both). To talk about "proper" and "true" Britons would be to exclude them, and in fact only include the Cymry, Cornish, and Bretons. Given how much your average Brexiter despises the native tongue of Britain- Cymraeg, English being a Germanic import- the irony is palpable.
It’s not just Brexiteers that despise Cymraeg. The Welsh hate it too. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why the population of Wales isn’t made up of 100% Welsh speakers.
That's not True ! The combined votes of all British people decided on Brexit. Though more English voted to leave as did more Welsh, but the millions of votes from Scotland and Northern Ireland pushed it past the Remain vote and ensured a Brexit result. In fact more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP.
@@conkadonk4976 These Islands have been known as the British isles since antiquity, and it was never invaded by the Holy Roman Empire in 1690 either ?????
@@attackpatterndelta8949 Only because the majority of Welsh haven't quite worked out that Labour are tory and tory are Labour, Different cheeks of the same arse .
I'm glad Byline TV made this. Neil Oliver is nuts; GB News presented it on their YT video as if it was divine wisdom, and of course the comments went right along with this dangerous nonsense.
In the deleted scenes from the film "The Battle of Britain" a Pilot Officer said "Neil Oliver will turn out to be an utter Charlie Uniform November Tango"
Has Neil Oliver read a single page of John Stuart Mill's - that great British philosopher - book "On Liberty " ? He should. He'll find the "harm principle" explained there ("the extent of my liberty extends only as far as the point where I cause harm to you").
@@violetld2391 say what? How does an abortion affect another living creature? If you are a woman who is accidentally carrying a parasite that you do not want what business is that of anyone else?
@@tonycook7679 Science, please.The very fact that you have to kill it in order for it to stop growing and becoming a born baby, indicates that it is in fact a living human. You calling an unborn human a parasite, tells me all about you, how you have a contempt for life, darkened conscience, no moral backbone. What you hate is human life at the most vulnerable and innocent stage. Also, you are a man and according to pro- abortion women, you should not speak on this matter. No uterus no say, isn't it what they shout ?
I take it you have been donating all your wealth to all the children who have no parent's. And have been voicing your concerns for all the asylum seeking children that the home secretary has been dening entry to the UK. Or are you just a fascist spokens person for rapists to do as they please and put women into the role of only being usful baby carriers with no rights of their own. You claim its immoral for a foetus to not have the same rights to life as the women carrying it. But have chosen to neglect the immorality of a women being forced to carry a foetus against her will. Children are precious and moral duties of any kind should extend beyond birth. So stop thinking you hold some moral high ground when in fact all you are succedong to achieve is selectivity. The decision to abort is the sole decision of the woman, she is the creator, but only by her choice. Otherwise what you are saying is all you have should be given to the children of this planet, you have by your own belief have become secondary to all children. Good luck with convincing everyone else.
@@melodyloveland6089 I just find your life philosophy very sad, depressing. Humans in your world have no real true value, there is no sanctity of life. People's lives have no inherent dignity, their value depends on external circumstances, whether they have money, parents etc. Only then they are entitled to life. You do not take into account that those external circumstances are not set in stone, someone rich can go bankrupt tomorrow, a poor man can be given an opportunity, a child with parents can suddenly lose them , another can find a loving adoptive family. That's why being a Christian gives you joy. Because you know that yourself and others around you are precious to God and we have always been precious from the moment we were created in our mothers' womb. And no one has the right to take that life, it does not belong to them. As for me being a fascist...only if Hitler was an advocate for the absolute value of every life and was outspoken against murder of defenceless vulnerable people... I have a feeling about why you are so passionately defensive on the subject. Please know that God's mercy is abundant and generously given to those who acknowledge their wrong doings and ask for forgiveness. Then you can work on forgiving yourself. Peace be with you.
What a fall from an otherwise good career. Another victim of the pathetic Brexit. Another lunatic who thinks Brexit could be anything but a disaster for the UK.
That's what you get from a Britnat vichy from Renfrew. With their Protestant culture of the Kirk, the Boys Brigade, Commando comics and Rangers FC. Kissing the arse of British establishment that they think somehow puts them at the front of the queue.
My wife was astounded to hear that, like her, he comes from Renfrew. His mother grew up in Renfrew, they then moved to Dumfries when he was a youngster.
That little twerp Mr Oliver is going to find it a bit tricky getting a nice job spouting some chat about the Vikings after torpedoing his career in such a fashion.....
I doubt that. His bigoted views are well known - this was hardly out of character for him. It's probably a race at this point between BoJo and Oliver as to the most disliked person in Scotland.
No he won’t; Neil Oliver is a very nice, clever and genuine man. The point Neil was trying to make was against Covid Passports. I agree, perhaps he could have worded his speech a little differently. My father flew in the Battle of Britain because he believed he was fighting for freedom - and helping to protect Britain against a Nazi invasion. No matter what - we mustn’t let Boris and his merry men take our freedoms away and those who do not want the vaccine because they have not yet seen the data, well, they have to have the freedom to say no and be left to go about their normal life!
Are you really that triggered and sensitive to stop watching a series that he's got a small part in? Just because of his opinion which is different to yours? Grow up
Good analysis! It's a typical UK problem that the WW2 is won by the UK alone. The UK has had the luck that it never had a reset like Germany has had or France or the Netherlands. So the Brits a stuck in history. This will drag the UK slowly, very slowly to their coma state like the Netherlands had from the end of the Napoleonic wars till the begin of WW2 The Dutch were dreaming about the big Dutch empire and in the meantime passed right and left by even small countries who had the industrial revolution. The Netherlands had for a big part slept through it. This will happen with the UK after Brexit dreaming on the island about the good old times. It will slowly and therefore unnoticed decline till even small countries will surpass the UK.
I'm not a highly-qualified historian (but then, neither is Neil Oliver), however with my tenuous grasp of the subject I can pick a few holes. Great Britain has existed since 1474. Continual human population of that particular rock began around 12,000 years ago. I don't have a math degree either but I think if you multiply those two figures you'd get 'millions', so maybe that's what he's done. Nor do I have a post-doctorate in sociology, but this constant '*we* fought / won the war' is insensitive, regressive, hostile, isolationist, offensive and as historically ignorant of the facts as one would expect from a self-important, irrelevant, dull-witted, attention-seeking, total waste of everyone's time such as Oliver.
Erm ? he's a bigot and spouts his own opinion as if fact, hence his TV programmes are rather thin on the ground these days as he took to presenting HIS opinion rather than current historical facts. Ask Historic Scotland how popular he is ! since they gave him the top job theyre membership has collapsed to near nothing.
100% spot on. A brilliant dissection of an overblown bladder. One thing for sure. Covid and brexit has shown us who we would not want in the trench beside us.
Fintan O’Toole described in his book “The politics of pain” how after the German Re-Unification the English started to spook themselves into an anew fear of German domination by releasing books and movies entertaining alternative outcomes of the II. World War, imagine Germans strolling in English streets, German is the predominant language, shops offering predominantly German products, and shockingly! the German founding of a European Union.
Neil Oliver's grasp of basic military history OR life in the military in general is laughable. Basic examples of military life he ignores while discussing "FREEDOM": The military direst EXACTLY what you will wear each day, from your hat to your shoes. The military has a vast list of vaccines and preventive medicines and actions each servicemember WILL submit to without question. The military decides which doctor and when/where you will see any medical provider. The military decides where you will live, when you will east, sleep or conduct nearly any facet of your life while serving. I could go on, but I've made my point.
If you die because I drive over a zebra crossing- so be it, that’s how I see it. Doesn’t sound quite right to me. Strangely enough we have laws and conventions that we we all observe for the greater good and to protect the vulnerable.
I have the right to drive my sportscar with no brakes, baldy tires and no insurance at 100 mph past the disabled orphanage while heavily intoxicated because Winston Churchill.
Now more than ever I’m so glad that my ancestors fought for what was ultimately my freedom, we could never have achieved our potential without it. Warmest greetings and best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪🇬🇧 On 26 January 1950, Éamon de Valera was asked to be guest of honour at a reception in Birmingham to celebrate the declaration of India as a republic. At first glance it seemed an unusual choice. The organisers were asked why they had not chosen a fellow Indian. Their response was unequivocal: ‘We and the Irish had strong ties of friendship. We suffered under the same tyranny for many centuries. They had the Black and Tans; we had the massacre of Amritsar. They had de Valera and Casement and MacSwiney; we had Gandhi and Nehru and Bose. They had Sinn Féin; we had our National Congress. They had the IRA; we had the INA. It is not only for the smile and the shamrock we know Ireland. It is for the toughness of their leaders and for the rebellion in their hearts.’
Imagine this hopeless shower in the war. "I'm not blacking out my windows, don't tell me what to do, you're not having my pots and pans, I refuse to have my freedom infringed by rationing, I'm not carrying an ID card, I've never seen a Nazi soldier, don't even believe they really exist, it's just a big con to control us." How dare they invoke war spirit. They wouldn't last a week in a real war.
I barred Mr Oliver from a pub I worked in about 16 years go for being a drunk bellend... He gave me "do you know who I am" chat and told me he would tell everyone he knows not to come in to the pub and I would "be ruined". Nice bloke eh!
No
Noliver is a 1st grade 🔔🔚
This totally happened.
@@michaelgrundy956 it did dude. I was 21/22 at the time. Why doubt me?
Yes I presume he has got a big over inflated ego.
"If my freedom to be in the pub with my mates, lights blaring, during the Blitz means that you lot next door get bombed to smithereens, then so be it".
Bravo
Exactly
Nailed it 👍
Sadly, that really does seem to be the attitude of people like Neil Oliver
That’s a very distorted comparison, I think even Mr Johnson would be proud of that one ☝️
@@charlieaskew5120 I think it is very much to the point!
If my freedom means you have to be vaccinated by mandate, then so be it.
Oliver has had a very difficult pandemic. The histrionics. The hyperbole. He's completely lost the plot. Embarrassing. My grandad fought the Nazis but he also fought polio. He would see this for what it is. A temporary inconvenience.
Excellent point.
My Dad was in the first wave to land on Gold Beach on D-Day, and I agree with Neil Oliver.
@@chrisneedham5803 So what? My dad fought in the war and was wounded. And I disagree with Neil Oliver.
@@Peter-ud9bx so what my Dad was bigger than your Dad ... lol
@@chrisneedham5803 - My dad liked Bananas but I don't!! Get my point spunk Womble 🏴🇪🇺
Did nobody point out to Neil Oliver that the longest mainland Europe has gone without a war is from 1945 to now. Which incredibly happens to coincide with the EU existing.
What happened In Yugoslavia in 1991 and onwards?
@@simonmason8582 since the European Union expanded eastwards, after the conflict ended, Eastern Europe has seen unparalleled improvements in government structure, investment and opportunities for its citizens, and yes no long conflicts in EU states. The only countries in eastern europe that are still having to live with a censored press, no permitted opposing to the ruling government, and long standing conflict are Ukraine, turkey, Belarus and maybe a few others like Azerbaijan and such which are all non EU countries
As Nick Clegg wrote about "some" Brits years ago - "all nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off".
That would be the same Nick Clegg that lied about tuition fees to get into government then lied through his teeth to the whole country when he claimed that an EU armed forces “ was a dangerous fantasy and lie spread by the leave campaign” even though he’d been at the heart of the EU for a decade and knew full well of the EUs plans ( announced two weeks after the referendum ) for a nuclear armed EU armed forces under the command of the unelected commission and a United EU foreign policy ......next time your going to post BS with your head up your arse , take your foot out of your mouth first. .
@@seanclark2085 thats a border control force not a military force.
So Nick Clegg thinks the Britain is worse than the nazis?
Nope , it’s a battle group , with plans to expand it to a pan EU force under the command of the unelected commission with a unified foreign policy headed by an appointed foreign minister answerable to the commission .....but Nick Clegg could have told you that 10 years ago , and what was Nick Clegg reward for lying about the EUs intentions and slurring those who exposed it as liars and fantasists .......a multimillion contract with Facebook to decide what we can say and read in Facebook.........you couldn’t make it up .
@@seanclark2085 yes all of that isn't pure conjecture, and the EU loves Facebook
Churchill was an utter disaster for Britain, as many Britons knew at the time which is why they gave him the boot in 1945. It saddens me how such a large part of the UK population blindly believes the myths of WW2. We largely provoked WW2 (encouraged by France), we elevated a German border dispute into a world war, we then did nothing for a few years before the Russians and the Yanks baled us out in the last year of the war. In consequence, we lost an empire (which was probably a good thing) and have been bankrupt ever since. We are now a 'has been' nation in terminal decline on the north west fringes of Europe.
"I was told I'm a free man. I'm also a psychopath and if my joy of murder means that you get killed by me... Then so be it"
Same logic.
The closest Neil Oliver ever got to the beaches of Dunkirk was watching the black and white movie some lazy Sunday afternoon on Channel 4. He lauds the sacrifice of others losing life and limb in war whilst refusing to make the most trivial sacrifices when his nation finally called on him
Jack elliot you should have flawed him
@@jackelliot547 the last survivors of WW2 are in their 90s now. Perhaps masking up to not kill them off is a smaller sacrifice asked of us than was asked of them
@soviet9366 and @jack elliot
Well put both.
Oliver is a clown and hates Scotland see's right through him now. No pill for stupid.
Pretty bitter aren’t you. Chill out and take your pills
“There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.” - *Winston Churchill* , 'Speech to the academic youth’ held at the University of Zurich in 1946
@@domingodesantaclara1130 It's a quote. It's neither "left" or "right". As is the record of Winston Churchill. It's just history.
Yes Churchill had views abhorrent for today. Yes, Churchill was the leader the country needed in WWII.
But those that cherry pick from Churchill's legacy to prop up their political ideology should be ashamed - not because they are using Churchill - but because they are cherry-picking from Churchill.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 yes, and?
I guess archeology doesn't teach you to research documentary evidence.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 So what Churchill said is wrong then? Do you dispute what he said or the idea behind it? Or do you not like the idea of people quoting uncomfortable Churchill statements because it forces you into a dilemma?... on the one hand he's the right wing god who won the war and on the other he's spouting seemingly socialist statements, must be hard for you.
Let’s not loose the point, the reason the quote from Churchill is significant is because the arse that took us out of the European community, was an admirer of Churchill’s, and had this quote been used at the time leading up to the referendum, then Johnson would have looked foolish. It’s no wonder Johnson went quiet for a very long time before he could tell us whether he was for or against leaving the community. This guy tries to model himself embarrassingly, on Churchill. The only similarity is his terrible posture.
well, there is a solution. let the man work for a couple of months in an intensive care ward, and let the man see a couple of deaths due to covid and finally let the man stay with people who have their lives destroyed by C19. I'd venture a bet that he will change his tune very very quickly... get vaccinated , stay safe, care for you neighbour and friends and most of all stay civil and social.
So his heroes were conscripted, gave up years of their lives, ( and often their lives), obeyed orders, made huge sacrifices.
But he won’t wear a mask at certain times.
Have I missed something?
No, that's it.
I wonder if he’d ever had worn a gas mask during war?
@@debb6393 maybe he'd've died for his right not to.
@@debb6393 You have a poor grasp of the English language. Wording is sub standard. No offence intended.
@@debb6393 I've got a gas mask. I bought it in Berlin.
If you didn't fight in it, you have no right to invoke it. Who are you to speak on behalf of those who put their lives on the line and died doing so?
The problem with these numpties who bang on about wars, is that they are quite happy to let others go off and fight them.
@Mickey Mouse
That and any MP who votes for war should have their children conscripted to a "frontline" unit in the military.
If they dont have children or their children are too young - They can go instead
@Mickey Mouse Not sure if serious
@Mickey Mouse Cool.
@Mickey Mouse And let those who want war pay for war and all the associated costs. And not force the rest of us to indulge their chickenhawk narcissism.
My great uncle was in ww1 , he came all the way from Jamaica 🇯🇲 to fight in France and ended up with shell shock and was sent back to Jamaica , and my family didn't understand what shell shock was , I think he ended up in a mental asylum, this was quite common for black soldiers to be treated like shit after the great war's.
Winston Churchill quote"If I was a few years younger I might have been the first President of the United States of Europe". He was a supporter of a united Europe.
I believe you made that up , I can’t find the quote anywhere , do please provide a link or retract it .
It sounds like a misquote from a speech Churchill gave to the USA Congress .
@@seanclark2085 A believer in English Exceptionalism and Unicorns.
Churchill published his original written programme for what he interchangeably called “the European Union” or “United Europe” in the The Daily Telegraph on 30 and 31 December 1946. Its title: “United Europe: One way to stop a new war.” In the two-part article, among other things, Churchill presented his expansive view of Britain’s global role as a partner in three great overlapping “circles”: the English-speaking world (the “special relationship” with America), the British Empire and Commonwealth, and the European Union..In his 1946 Telegraph article, Churchill drew a roadmap for European integration that started with the creation of the Council of Europe. First, he argued, the Council of Europe would have to work steadily towards “the abolition or at least the diminution of tariff and customs barriers.” Second, it would “strive for economic harmony as a stepping-stone to economic unity.” Third, it would have to “reach some common form of defence.”10 And fourth, inseparably woven with all of the above, it would have to establish a common currency. European postage stamps, passports, and trading facilities would all flow out naturally from the “main channel” of the Council.
Like it or not, the unity in Europe is to a great extent the evolved and still organically developing legacy of Winston Churchill.
I asked you to provide a link to the alleged Churchill quote ?! , you posted selections from an article that didn’t mention the quote , so I will ask again , please provide a link or tell me where I can find the alleged quote I believe you made up , it’s quite simple .
The British people were told by the Remain campaign ( Nick Clegg, deputy prime minister and leader of the remain campaign) that plans for an EU armed forces were “ A dangerous fantasy and a lie spread by Brexiters “ .
In your post you refer to the UKs opposition to this ! , yet the people of the UK were told this would never happen should we remain in the EU !
I’m sure that you , being so morally superior and obviously more intelligent than your average punter , would like to offer your thoughts on this contradiction .
Were the UK people lied to by the Remain campaign ?
Did they believe that by concealing the EUs true intentions the UK people would vote to remain ?
And lastly may I ask you what you think of the morality of an organisation that would lie about its true intentions in order to deceive 60+ million people ?
@@seanclark2085 You sad little boy, maybe read the post? I never said anything about a combined EU Army, maybe get you mum to read it to you? Maybe while your speaking to her ask her who Winston Churchill was?
I've met many people who fought in both wars, and not a single time has one of them ever said anything positive about it. The First was a (I was going to describe it in a more explicit way) Royal ego trip, and the second was the result of reparations crippling an economy. Although, the second was necessary, it needn't have happened. I liked your piece, but I genuinely think that you won't change minds with it. People don't really want to accept the reality of what these wars meant. They were brutal and ugly. People drowned in mud and got fried by the biggest fires unleashed on the planet (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) and on the other side, the dreaded camps. The bombing of Britain, the bombing of Dresden, people boiled alive. There's nothing heroic about any of it, other than brave lads who went to fight because they were taught that it's the thing to do, until they came up against the machine guns. I respect all that, and I think that politicising wars, with the implication that the people who fought them would have been patriotic Brexiteers or Boris Johnson voters is simply wrong. Most of those who I met would have been so against this right wing nonsense. Trouble is, the far right have commandeered the flag and the war effort. The people who exploit history should rightfully be educated. Trouble is - they're winning. For now...
@ Martin Shuttlecock 100% agree. Eloquently put
Bravo mate 👏👏👏
It's funny how anybody right of centre has to be educated. If the down trodden are forgotten about don't be surprised when they vote leave and vote Boris.
Maybe that's why there winning at the minute.
War is glorified by those who've never participated, PTSD is the result of those that have participated
The reparations did not cause WW2. That was a Nazi myth. The Weimar Repiblic several times defaulted and the allies did....Nothing. Most ordinary Germans didn't give a shit about Versailles. In fact many german workers benefitted from it because the Weimar republic had more money to spend on social projects and benefits because it's defence spending was now negligible. It was only the warmongering nationalistic imperialists and Junker class that felt 'humiliated'
It was the nightmare of the Wall Street crash that allowed the Nazis to get a grip in German Politics. It was also assisted by the the German Communist Party following flawed direction of Stalin that the real enemy was the Liberal Democrats and to ignore the Nazis.
Oliver is a prime example that an education , does not make you clever.
Interestingly enough the veterans who had gone through the nightmare of WWI +WW2 voted for entering into the EU.
The post-war generation, who only knew the war from idealized tales of the war generation, voted for Brexit.
The food stamps were abolished in Britain more than 10 years later than in Europe.
Finally the EU was born as a peace project to stop another European Great war to occur, but that part never found its way into British brains. That's why it was squandered so easily.
Well if that cone lately Viking feel he has a license to give deliberately Corona other people, then may be the British personal liability laws may have to be used against irresponsible and anti social individuals like this.
My Dad was a proud Royal Navy veteran from WW2. He voted Remain Stuff these dimwits
People of a different opinion to you are " dimwits " ? Pity Dad didn't bother teaching something called tolerance and difference of opinion.
@@briangreen6602 Depends on the opinion. If the other person has an opinion with no constructive elements whatsoever (for example, that it is their right to infect others with a disease) I think it would be quite appropiate to call them at least dimwits.
These EU extremists have absolutely no self awareness and an absolute certainty in their pronouncements , it’s EU Uber Alles all the way
@@seanclark2085 These Brexit extremists have absolutely no self awareness and an absolute certainty in their pronouncements , it’s Brexit Uber Alles all the way
Brexiters have a Democratic mandate , they are not the neigh sayers howling at the wind .
My grandparents and parents wanted to forget the war years and move on. Let’s not forget Mosley and the British fascists who this man and others seem to be part of.
My grandad was an aeroplane mechanic in the war. The war made people more collectivist, more resourceful, more appreciative.
I’m glad my grandad isn’t alive today to see people like Oliver shitting all over his name.
Yep my grandad too. Bombed on a ship coming back from France on the Lancastria. He told me that being from our seaside town saved his life because he was a strong swimmer. He said that he tried to get in several lifeboats and was pushed out by his fellow soldiers, he did add though if he recognised the ones who pushed him out at reunions he would punch them. He also told the army to shove their medals up their arse because even though he was in the country they wouldn’t give him compassionate leave to attend his 2 year old daughters funeral. We are quite a belligerent family 😂😂 we’ve got his medals now though and my nephew has them.
Oliver is a particularly divisive figure up here in Scotland, he is a proud unionist who would put an oranage order leader to shame, he has written copious amounts of staunch anti independence articles out there, so, he basically thinks half of us are less than worthy of life, he went full on mental a couple of years ago, seems he needs to see a doctor
More appreciative of liberties.
Yes more collectivist: i.e. public services and nationalisation and a Labour government following
I love all these right wing GB News types invoking the ghost of Churchill.
Can anyone point to the speech where Churchill said 'We've just got to get on with our lives and learn to live with the nazis'?
This is a complete misrepresentation of what Neil Oliver actually said and meant
My Mum lived and survived ww2 in north London, She called Winston Churchill a Warmonger, She despised him, & all Tories...
🤔 Really? Then what would your mother suggest we do in 1939 in response to the outbreak of the Second World War? Sit on our hands? Send a strong letter of condemnation to Herr AH, Berlin? I await your response with interest . . . !
Being on gb news which represents neither gb or the news, shows how low Neil has sunk.
My Grandfather died as a result of the 1918 pandemic and the effect it had on our family is still very real today. Also, all these wars through history were started by strongmen who wanted more and more power. The EU has brought peace to Europe. Even Putin thinks twice about attacking both the military and economic might of the EU. Empathy is the key word here , not some egotistical 'personal freedom' imagined to be at threat.
Neil Oliver isn't a historian, he is a historical revisionist.
Hilarious!, calling others “ revisionist “ on a Marxist channel ....... you couldn’t make it up
He is a hysterical deviationist.
@@seanclark2085 Marxist?! You couldn't make up that level of ignorance 😂
@@seanclark2085 Marxist... Typical sweeping statement by someone who doesn't understand the meaning of the words he's using.
Are you claiming that those behind this channel are not Marxists ? ......
Should have stuck to wandering around the coastline, plenty of wind on the cliffs and beaches to blow away such guff. My father (Royal Fusiliers and Parachute Regiment), uncles (Royal Artillery, Royal Military Police, Royal Navy, Royal Air Force (Bomber Command), never talked in this way. Mostly, they never said a word. Nor did my grandparents, one set, bombed out of house and home twice and losing a son in the Battle of Crete. That grandfather, sapper, in the First World War, never talked about his time digging tunnels towards German lines. My father was patriotic - as children we stood at attention during the National Anthem as everyone else fled - but he was critical of triumphalism and of phoney patriots, agreeing with Max Hastings about the end of war celebrations that those who thought the least, rejoiced most, and those who thought the most, rejoiced the least. My father would coolly despise Farage’s antics in the Channel. As for Oliver’s nonsense about his freedom to give another Covid, I can hear Dad say, ‘Greater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.’ He’d put on his mask like a poppy. Oliver’s notion of freedom is ridiculous, selfish and a charter for horrors untold. Best to go back to banging on about beaches, sir.
What a great post. Thank you!
How selfish do you have to be to think your freedom involves being able to give others an illness
Exactly! 🤦🤦
Or be forced to take an untested vaccine.
Well, you can always invoke your own freedom to defend yourself from people who want to give you an illness. Of course, within the bounds of the law.
@@dave4511 What a ridiculous comment. Even the earliest trials were only conducted 12 month ago. Whilst the prognosis is very promising, there is no actually data whatsoever available about the medium to long term, effects.
@@dave4511 well , we'll see how things develop over the next two years or so . You just keep getting your booster twice a year while stronger and stronger variants come out . I'll wait and see how this pans out thanks. It is now the world's biggest ever experiment I agree there.
I’m really sick of the whole war stuff, the WW2 stuff I can stomach but saying WW1 soldiers died for freedom is an insult to their memory.
I can’t stomach that either.
2 generations of bakers, butchers, postmen, teachers, farmers etc and their sons, brothers, nephews, cousins - forcibly slaughtered for absolutely nothing!!!
Poor souls had no choice lest they and their families be shamed.
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. it’s not even that we don’t know how they felt. We do. There’s thousands of letters that are held as historical documents. Everyone of them writing home lamenting their decision to conscript to fight & the horrible conditions of the trenches but more than ever what they were actually fighting for. Still even now, historians can’t actually agree on how WW1 became what it was.
They died in service to an imperialist power that didn’t give two shits about them, except the Serbians and the Belgians, they got invaded first
@@johnlavery3433 The Belgian King Albert as commander in chief did not want to see his soldiers slaughtered uselessly. No large offensives which could have wiped out the 50.000 man strong Belgian army in 1 day, instead just "holding the fort".
Meanwhile the Queen served as a nurse.
@@Fredric_Cedrich
My late grandfather returned from the 'Great War' minus an arm, a leg, and any remaining respect for a 'democratic country' that could commit so many to casual slaughter. His favourite quote was from Yeats...
"Those that I fight I do not hate. Those that I guard I do not love!"
Just before he died, he wrote out what he wanted on his gravestone...
"Some of me lies here - some still lies in France, along with too many friends. As to why, I die none the bloody wiser!"
What stuns me is how so many seem to beg for a dictatorship. You really like the fear, the full submission to the state, don’t you?
People fought the war for their own freedom, and after that Churchill promoted a united Europe for peace.
Turns out it was a great ideas that gave us peace for 70 years.
People fought the war because they were conscripted and obedient; also because many were on-board with getting rid of Hitler. The peer group pressure to fight was also another reason. I doubt if many of them even examined what Fascism was. It was Churchill that declared war on Germany, so the German mindest would have been, now we have to defend ourselves against the British.
That peace : nothing to do with the thousands of US troops, tanks and fighter jets stationed around Europe? Not to mention the ICBMs pointed at USSR? You're funny.
@@neilog747 learn your history. It was Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain that declared war on Germany at 11:15 am on Sunday 3rd September 1939.
@@brianalmeida1964 peace in our time bollocks
@@alanwhite7127 yes the same guy, but he was also the one to officially declare war. Was just correcting incorrect facts.
If he coughed on me it would be the last thing he ever did
"Coronavirus collaborator" is a great name for them.
A deadly virus that is killing very few people ....... in 2020 it was down as 23rd on the death list, blunders caused by doctors was far higher.
@@chrisneedham5803 - it's the way in which it spreads you knob!
@@alba9507 ..... calling someone a 'knob' shows me you have very little ammunition for a sustainable argument.
@@chrisneedham5803 It's killed millions lol
@@BDaMonkey ..... I must admit I ran over 10 bodies with my supermarket trolley last Friday.
So if my fist should happen to connect with his face at great speed, then so be it. I’m a free man and should face no legal restrictions in doing so because Spitfires.
His forefathers fought for the right of his face to kiss your fist. It's what they dreamed of.
Thats the quality of the argument he put forward.
Yours wo t be the only fist to co ect with his ugly mouth
Driving down road always looking in rear view mirror, and also real historians would know 20% of battle Britain pilots were non British including 10% polish , and 10% other European and North American’s . British forces actually consisted of huge numbers of non British ie Indian, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, Polish, Free French And South African plus many more.
Polish fighter pilots were some of the bravest of all.
There were something like 17,000 Polish airmen in the RAF, that needs some serious thinking about.
Neither should we forget the thousands of men who came here from the West Indies - from Jamaica, Grenada, Trinidad etc.
In reality the lesson people should be taking from Britain's role in WW2 in relation to Covid is the value of collective solidarity in the face of disaster. The very thing Oliver is arguing against
You are right, but it was not just the bits in the collective. The free polish pilots in the battle of Britain. The really brave Sikhs in Italy. The soldiers from the Caribbean Islands. Who we shat on after the war. The Canadians who lost there lives in Deipe. The free french. The Norwegian sailors. I could go on on
@@adrianday8678 exactly right; it was a collective solidarity which extended beyond our own borders. Something worth bearing in mind when conservatives bring up the war just in an effort to encourage jingoistic, exclusionary national "pride"
Are you seriously comparing covid to WW2?
@@henryvkingofenglandandfran7220 only because Neil Oliver drew that comparison in this video...
@@robertwinslade3104 He drew a comparison of government oppression not the virus itself.
GB news is putting these nutters in the public eye - we now know for certain who they are. - shame on future employers of them
When all other arguments are exhausted, all that is left for these professional xenophobes is WW2 rhetoric. And this unqualified, self appointed, TV historian is not alone with his selfish opinions.
Ad Hom , it’s all you have , Tis pathetic.
My aunt was in a japanese prison of war camp in Java. She was Dutch and the Indonesian islands dutch colonies. Her husband, my uncle, met her when the Gurkah's and freed them from the camp. She never liked to talk about it but when she did the stories were horrendous. My uncle went thru hell too and not once did i hear them support war. They were both staunch socialists and would be shocked at the state of this country. It is not long since they died and Ioss them terribly and miss their advice but they must be turning in their graves.
Britons today would reject conscription, blackouts, nights in air raid shelters, cooperation with allies, migrants in the ranks of their armed forces, and lose the war.
Brexit Britain is obsessed with war the fact that you can constantly watch WW2 on British channel is disturbing! EU countries believe Britain need to hit rock bottom and rebuild again
The thing that annoys me, he rants about his ancestors fighting and dying etc etc.
They made sacrifices for the betterment of everyone, their lives were given to secure the future.
Neil's been asked to put a bit of cloth on his face... the 'sacrifices' he's been asked to make are less than nothing compared to those of his ancestors.. His ancestors would and should be ashamed of him...
You have no clue have you ?
@@JC-rd7ev enlighten me.
Explain how staying 2mtrs from people and putting some cloth on your face is in anyway comparable to the sacrifices made by the generations that have gone before.
neil oliver's qualifications are in archology, he is also a tv presenter, who presents what are described as historic documentary programmes the accuracy of which do not stand close scrutiny when one troubles to do a little research then realises that the same neil oliver has added his own wee slant to historic events changing facts to fiction to fit his own misguided agenda.
Glad we lost the war and do not suffer from the British unhealthy obsession with the war. Greetings from Germany. In my view that obsession is pathological by now.
A German friend in her 50s was taught absolutely nothing about the war at school.
Over 200 left national scottish national trust when he was appointed top man.
He has stepped down with his sycofantic royalist attitude
Will never watch Neil Oliver's programmes again. What an odious person he is.
Same here. I was shocked when he turned up on GB news. I guess I had been misled over the years by the hippy hair.
@@Liz_for_PM_again I was shocked too. Didn't know his true colours.
Very well put!
People who gave their lives during the War did so for the sake of their loved ones and their community. They would be appalled at Neal's declaration that they did so, so that he would have the right to endanger the community by giving them COVID. He truly has lost sight of the greater picture - if he ever had it in sight, a point that is now quite debatable.
That is a very astounding view to hold. I think people forgot about the existence of quarantine laws. During medical training I was taught governments can legally detain people against their will for three primary reasons. A criminal violation, mental health certification, and threat to public health due to infectious disease. No you absolutely do NOT have the freedom to transmit infectious diseases to your fellow citizens and I do not want to live in a society where that kind of freedom exist. The fact that people have to refute his nonsense is ridiculous. By his logic, people infected with Ebola going around and spitting on people is also exercising freedom? Quarantine law already exist on the books in many jurisdiction, it really is the time to take the gloves off and start enforcing.
Turns out he's David Ike's lovechild after all
I didn’t like it when he talked about the Vikings. He seemed to offer so much supposition without any evidence. We turned him off, and that was before he joined GBNews.
Evidence !!!! , is the result of a democratic vote not evidence enough ? , or do you prefer the fascist model where an elite decide what is best for us ?
Ah diddums , did precious not get their way .......
Dear Otto ( yes i know it's a pen name) rest assured that not only your sharp intellector your witty comments, but even your look and hair are way more successful than any presumed History narrator (and , yes i am actually extremely gentle toward asomeone who studied eventually history without much of a profit from my humble point of view).
You and the whole staff there keep on keeping us happy (and extremely amused) with your remarkable work.
I ( we all) love you. Might God always bless the good work of investigative reporters and fake narrative bebunkers like you and the staff at Byline...You just are the cream of this (miserable) world.
Ciao -with the greatest possible admiration- from Italy
I must have missed something.Didn't realise the 'Blitz Spirit' was all about'sod you'!!
Do you have a specific link to the interview you reference ? And, why is it not referenced in the description of this video ? Honestly, I'm interested in watching it.
Isn’t he just following the time honoured historian path of getting ever more extreme as they get older? Exhibit A: David Starkey
Not necessarily... Exhibit 1: Mary Beard
I was thinking exactly the same thing! But as Octavian Popescu pointed out, they're not all bad. Oliver and Starkey are among the worst.
I don't think so.. I think personality historians get an ego... Most historians with teaching positions at uni seem to only get more liberal.
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I heard he is an admirer of Mr Starkey.
I was in the army and i aint getting my vacc
He's not a historian he's an archaeologist and he isn't very good at either job. If you need any proof of that just watch a program by him about the highland clearances, absolute tosh and my father didn't fight for the likes of him.
Well his career is definitely in ruins now.
Pretty sure he's a historian and not an archaeologist, and his career seems to be doing just fine as GBNews is outdoing its BBC and Sky equivalents after just a few weeks.
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What a load of crap this guy talks. Oliver has more integrity in his little finger.
The fact he’s wearing the dreadful half scarf half neckerchief cancels out anything he says! What a plonker
He really isn’t a plonker; you don’t have to like him but he definitely isn’t a plonker! Just my opinion.
@@Rosebud100 I was going to use the word t@@t but went with plonker as it seems more palatable. To
Me when I say plonker I’m not meaning he’s not intelligent, he’s obviously got some brains and done well in life but his actions are often that of what I would call a plonker
@@Rosebud100 I was going to use the word t@@t but went with plonker as it seems more palatable. To
Me when I say plonker I’m not meaning he’s not intelligent, he’s obviously got some brains and done well in life but his actions are often that of what I would call a plonker
I don't mind his freedom to kill me provided he doesn't mind my freedom to preemptively kill him first.
Hahhahaha
A great irony is that most Brexiters are English, culturally or genetically (or both). To talk about "proper" and "true" Britons would be to exclude them, and in fact only include the Cymry, Cornish, and Bretons. Given how much your average Brexiter despises the native tongue of Britain- Cymraeg, English being a Germanic import- the irony is palpable.
Britain only existed in name since the Holy roman empire invaded England in 1690
It’s not just Brexiteers that despise Cymraeg. The Welsh hate it too. That’s the only reason I can think of as to why the population of Wales isn’t made up of 100% Welsh speakers.
That's not True !
The combined votes of all British people decided on Brexit. Though more English voted to leave as did more Welsh, but the millions of votes from Scotland and Northern Ireland pushed it past the Remain vote and ensured a Brexit result.
In fact more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP.
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These Islands have been known as the British isles since antiquity, and it was never invaded by the Holy Roman Empire in 1690 either ?????
@@attackpatterndelta8949 Only because the majority of Welsh haven't quite worked out that Labour are tory and tory are Labour, Different cheeks of the same arse .
I'm glad Byline TV made this. Neil Oliver is nuts; GB News presented it on their YT video as if it was divine wisdom, and of course the comments went right along with this dangerous nonsense.
In the deleted scenes from the film "The Battle of Britain" a Pilot Officer said "Neil Oliver will turn out to be an utter Charlie Uniform November Tango"
Shocked I say
Im Shocked
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Bravo, excellent piece which includes some long needed home truths about "The War".
Defending the defeat of fascism as a means to have the right to be a fascist. Good one.
Let's hope if Mr Oliver ever needs surgery, the surgeon takes the same casual attitude to masking up...
Has Neil Oliver read a single page of John Stuart Mill's - that great British philosopher - book "On Liberty " ? He should. He'll find the "harm principle" explained there ("the extent of my liberty extends only as far as the point where I cause harm to you").
Exactly. That's why abortion is never a woman's " right".
@@violetld2391 say what? How does an abortion affect another living creature? If you are a woman who is accidentally carrying a parasite that you do not want what business is that of anyone else?
@@tonycook7679 Science, please.The very fact that you have to kill it in order for it to stop growing and becoming a born baby, indicates that it is in fact a living human.
You calling an unborn human a parasite, tells me all about you, how you have a contempt for life, darkened conscience, no moral backbone. What you hate is human life at the most vulnerable and innocent stage.
Also, you are a man and according to pro- abortion women, you should not speak on this matter. No uterus no say, isn't it what they shout ?
I take it you have been donating all your wealth to all the children who have no parent's. And have been voicing your concerns for all the asylum seeking children that the home secretary has been dening entry to the UK. Or are you just a fascist spokens person for rapists to do as they please and put women into the role of only being usful baby carriers with no rights of their own. You claim its immoral for a foetus to not have the same rights to life as the women carrying it. But have chosen to neglect the immorality of a women being forced to carry a foetus against her will. Children are precious and moral duties of any kind should extend beyond birth. So stop thinking you hold some moral high ground when in fact all you are succedong to achieve is selectivity. The decision to abort is the sole decision of the woman, she is the creator, but only by her choice. Otherwise what you are saying is all you have should be given to the children of this planet, you have by your own belief have become secondary to all children. Good luck with convincing everyone else.
@@melodyloveland6089 I just find your life philosophy very sad, depressing. Humans in your world have no real true value, there is no sanctity of life. People's lives have no inherent dignity, their value depends on external circumstances, whether they have money, parents etc. Only then they are entitled to life. You do not take into account that those external circumstances are not set in stone, someone rich can go bankrupt tomorrow, a poor man can be given an opportunity, a child with parents can suddenly lose them , another can find a loving adoptive family.
That's why being a Christian gives you joy. Because you know that yourself and others around you are precious to God and we have always been precious from the moment we were created in our mothers' womb. And no one has the right to take that life, it does not belong to them.
As for me being a fascist...only if Hitler was an advocate for the absolute value of every life and was outspoken against murder of defenceless vulnerable people...
I have a feeling about why you are so passionately defensive on the subject. Please know that God's mercy is abundant and generously given to those who acknowledge their wrong doings and ask for forgiveness. Then you can work on forgiving yourself.
Peace be with you.
What a fall from an otherwise good career. Another victim of the pathetic Brexit. Another lunatic who thinks Brexit could be anything but a disaster for the UK.
That's what you get from a Britnat vichy from Renfrew. With their Protestant culture of the Kirk, the Boys Brigade, Commando comics and Rangers FC. Kissing the arse of British establishment that they think somehow puts them at the front of the queue.
Gotta love a bit of sectarianism. It's the cybernat's default setting.
My wife was astounded to hear that, like her, he comes from Renfrew. His mother grew up in Renfrew, they then moved to Dumfries when he was a youngster.
For any philosopher or a person with basic common sense for that matter... the notion about freedom of that absolute cretin is monstrous..
Dreadful to see yet another former hero fall from grace.
Hero ? He lied about the history of Scotland and puts it down at any chance he gets , Notice his new Scottish accent
Freedom please!!! We need it i need it my family need it, I'm happy to risk for freedom
I enjoyed some of his history documentries, but I had no idea what a loony he is.
True colours flying high Adam ! What a tool.
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An arrogant nasty person to those that did the research
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@@jackelliot547 oooh, intriguing comment...
Haha! Well, we do now!
Presumably he's made his fnck you money so now feels he can say what he wants.
Grandad went to war because his family were broke.
Never liked the tosser. Always trust your gut instinct 👍
That little twerp Mr Oliver is going to find it a bit tricky getting a nice job spouting some chat about the Vikings after torpedoing his career in such a fashion.....
What career?
I doubt that. His bigoted views are well known - this was hardly out of character for him. It's probably a race at this point between BoJo and Oliver as to the most disliked person in Scotland.
No he won’t; Neil Oliver is a very nice, clever and genuine man. The point Neil was trying to make was against Covid Passports. I agree, perhaps he could have worded his speech a little differently. My father flew in the Battle of Britain because he believed he was fighting for freedom - and helping to protect Britain against a Nazi invasion. No matter what - we mustn’t let Boris and his merry men take our freedoms away and those who do not want the vaccine because they have not yet seen the data, well, they have to have the freedom to say no and be left to go about their normal life!
Mr. Oliver and his programmes are no more of interest to me. That's how I express my freedom from his stupid remarks.
I'm torn. His Coast series was excellent, maybe I'm a sucker for local history, maybe separate creator from creation?
Are you really that triggered and sensitive to stop watching a series that he's got a small part in? Just because of his opinion which is different to yours? Grow up
Good analysis! It's a typical UK problem that the WW2 is won by the UK alone.
The UK has had the luck that it never had a reset like Germany has had or France or the Netherlands. So the Brits a stuck in history. This will drag the UK slowly, very slowly to their coma state like the Netherlands had from the end of the Napoleonic wars till the begin of WW2 The Dutch were dreaming about the big Dutch empire and in the meantime passed right and left by even small countries who had the industrial revolution. The Netherlands had for a big part slept through it.
This will happen with the UK after Brexit dreaming on the island about the good old times. It will slowly and therefore unnoticed decline till even small countries will surpass the UK.
I used to like watching him present Coast and the history series. I shan’t watch them again because I don’t support idiots
I agree, his recent rant shows how stupid he is, so maybe his other work isn't fact based either.
@Neil Oliver: Your right to swing your arms ends at my masked chin, mate!
Wow, as a Belgian I'm mega disappointed, I always saw that guy as a nice cool guy and this makes me real sad.
Me too, I used to be a big fan. Now I just think Neil Oliver is a selfish dick
I'm not a highly-qualified historian (but then, neither is Neil Oliver), however with my tenuous grasp of the subject I can pick a few holes. Great Britain has existed since 1474. Continual human population of that particular rock began around 12,000 years ago.
I don't have a math degree either but I think if you multiply those two figures you'd get 'millions', so maybe that's what he's done.
Nor do I have a post-doctorate in sociology, but this constant '*we* fought / won the war' is insensitive, regressive, hostile, isolationist, offensive and as historically ignorant of the facts as one would expect from a self-important, irrelevant, dull-witted, attention-seeking, total waste of everyone's time such as Oliver.
didn't Mr Churchill say we needed a united Europe
Yes he did
At least Neil presents his information with his heart rather than wet sarcasm.
Erm ? he's a bigot and spouts his own opinion as if fact, hence his TV programmes are rather thin on the ground these days as he took to presenting HIS opinion rather than current historical facts.
Ask Historic Scotland how popular he is ! since they gave him the top job theyre membership has collapsed to near nothing.
I laughed so hard when i first saw "talking pints" on jeebee news,
i wish theyd sign up mr partridge
Ah ha
I thought of Partridge when I saw "Talking Pints" too. So funny!
Why not play the whole clip of Neil?
100% spot on. A brilliant dissection of an overblown bladder. One thing for sure. Covid and brexit has shown us who we would not want in the trench beside us.
Excellent talk, thanks
Fintan O’Toole described in his book “The politics of pain” how after the German Re-Unification the English started to spook themselves into an anew fear of German domination by releasing books and movies entertaining alternative outcomes of the II. World War, imagine Germans strolling in English streets, German is the predominant language, shops offering predominantly German products, and shockingly! the German founding of a European Union.
Churchill wasn't perfect but he knew how important Britain's reputation and it's future is linked to Europe as whole
"My freedom is more important than yours" Thanks Neil.
So where are the freedoms for everyone to breath air that has no covid? I
That was a juggernaut of truth directed at Oliver’s chin. Well done!
Two loose balls of wool rolling around in a basket.
You’re a loony .
Neil Oliver's grasp of basic military history OR life in the military in general is laughable. Basic examples of military life he ignores while discussing "FREEDOM": The military direst EXACTLY what you will wear each day, from your hat to your shoes. The military has a vast list of vaccines and preventive medicines and actions each servicemember WILL submit to without question. The military decides which doctor and when/where you will see any medical provider. The military decides where you will live, when you will east, sleep or conduct nearly any facet of your life while serving. I could go on, but I've made my point.
If you die because I drive over a zebra crossing- so be it, that’s how I see it. Doesn’t sound quite right to me. Strangely enough we have laws and conventions that we we all observe for the greater good and to protect the vulnerable.
I have the right to drive my sportscar with no brakes, baldy tires and no insurance at 100 mph past the disabled orphanage while heavily intoxicated because Winston Churchill.
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@@davidshipp623 You did all the hard work. I just tapped in a sitter at the far post.
This is just American jingoism with a Scottish accent.😅😂🤣
Now more than ever I’m so glad that my ancestors fought for what was ultimately my freedom, we could never have achieved our potential without it.
Warmest greetings and best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪🇬🇧
On 26 January 1950, Éamon de Valera was asked to be guest of honour at a reception in Birmingham to celebrate the declaration of India as a republic. At first glance it seemed an unusual choice. The organisers were asked why they had not chosen a fellow Indian. Their response was unequivocal:
‘We and the Irish had strong ties of friendship. We suffered under the same tyranny for many centuries. They had the Black and Tans; we had the massacre of Amritsar. They had de Valera and Casement and MacSwiney; we had Gandhi and Nehru and Bose. They had Sinn Féin; we had our National Congress. They had the IRA; we had the INA. It is not only for the smile and the shamrock we know Ireland. It is for the toughness of their leaders and for the rebellion in their hearts.’