Marin El Roy Hardtail & Giant Trance X 29 | GMBN Tech Show Ep. 142

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  • @chrissmith2729
    @chrissmith2729 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    My mom has a disabilities with her ankle and foot. Getting back on the bike required having a stool to get started on because of the seat height. Enter the mountain bike industry with an early version of 27.2 seatpost dropper so she could get going and then pop the seat up to a comfortable position. So they aren't just for mountain bikers. And more people can use them to get back riding.

    • @erich8258
      @erich8258 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed, they're helpful for anyone who's uncomfortable mounting the saddle at proper riding height.

  • @michaelobrien4351
    @michaelobrien4351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice to see Giant has been paying attention to customer feedback with the Trance X and put together an aweome bike. A lot of 29ers are coming spec'd with 32t chainring and 175mm cranks, I like the fact they spec'd ithe Trance X with 30t chainring and 170mm cranks. Should be a lot less pedal strikes and one less thing I would have to change if I bought it.

  • @johnsonjay60
    @johnsonjay60 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That giant (high end) is one hell of a bike. Live valve suspension. Among lots of other goodies.

    • @LongPeter
      @LongPeter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even the alloy Trances are great. I’d feel like an imposter on a high-spec model.

  • @skymish533
    @skymish533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Already looking forward to this!

  • @ethanbenton6676
    @ethanbenton6676 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Marin El Roy vs Kona Honzo ESD vs Norco Torrent would be the best showdown of 2020

    • @donutbarbell
      @donutbarbell 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, that would be a sick video 🤘

    • @mattgies
      @mattgies 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, and I'd throw in a Chromag Doctahawk for good measure.

  • @bobbyhempel1513
    @bobbyhempel1513 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Marin El Roy looks beautiful especially that green one

  • @NerfHerdsman
    @NerfHerdsman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    First episode I've seen for a few months. The absolute quality is back!

  • @clarea-s6779
    @clarea-s6779 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Larkspur2. My first bike in 50 years and I use it for the commute to work and cruising around town at the weekends. I have to say it’s great and gets more comments than my son’s more upmarket Orange bike.

  • @chiccorocker
    @chiccorocker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just looked at the Giant Reign you just mentioned... man that's a nice looking bike... oh now it will be so hard not to think about it ;)

  • @mtbboy1993
    @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13:04 nice to see dropper post on less extreme bikes too, they make it easier to get on the bike.

  • @johnsonjay60
    @johnsonjay60 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing I love about giant and liv the maestro set up 🤙

  • @vr4042
    @vr4042 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a set of the Peaty's stems and they are SUPER light, BUT they are also SUPER delicate

  • @curtisf.r6233
    @curtisf.r6233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool tech show guys👊😎 thanks💯 history is always worth learning about and a HUUGE shout out to Marin 🙏

  • @pH3rD1N4nD
    @pH3rD1N4nD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That marin is wild

  • @mrchrisdavies
    @mrchrisdavies 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That red and yellow marin is the most perfect mountain bike ever. Period.

  • @lwittrock1
    @lwittrock1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another Excellent show gentlemen!

  • @mtbboy1993
    @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:56 those valve look sweet, I am curious about them, lovely 4 channels for air to get out of with inserts installed sweet, and hole at the bottom so you can clean the valve easier. only feature missing is a hex key slot at the bottom.

  • @the_spanner_ch7mp
    @the_spanner_ch7mp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great show Doddy and Henry
    I bought a Titanium frame Marin in 1995/96 for the bike shop to fit Rockshox Judy XC on it ,loved that bike. The bottom bracket for seized in the frame 3 bike shops tried to remove it but couldn't 😟
    Frame and forks say in my shed for years had study up and binned them ,if only I realised what I was throwing away 😩😩😩

  • @Aubreykun
    @Aubreykun 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see you guys build up a klunker from a cruiser on this channel, then have one of the GMBN guys take it out on the trails to see how it fares. Also to see what choices in frame and parts you guys would make given your experience. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there right now with just a cruiser in their garage wanting to have some more fun than riding to a cafe, but - you know, bike shortage.

  • @adanielweaver
    @adanielweaver 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my close friends I ride with was one of the few women to race Repack. Unfortunately nowadays there is very limited legal single track to ride in Marin. Camp Tamparancho is fun though and you can ride there from town!

  • @bensmith1357
    @bensmith1357 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any chance you guys could do a series on repurposing s/xs 26inch older bikes for kids , how to tune suspension for lighter rider weights etc and tricks to get geo more up to date, maybe even women's bike trek lush Or similar.

  • @James-dn1hu
    @James-dn1hu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love an in depth video on the pinion gearbox. Aside from price I can’t understand why they haven’t caught on. In my mind the advantages far out way the disadvantages

    • @robbybeauchamp
      @robbybeauchamp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd like to see this as well. Pinion seems like the best of the internal transmission options, even better than a Rohloff hub. I'd love to have a Pinion gearbox with a Gates belt drive. Probably the most low maintenance bicycle drivetrain there is.
      I'm guessing that the lack of Pinion being a major OEM supplier is the reason most companies don't make a Pinion frame.

  • @erich8258
    @erich8258 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's funny to hear Doddy giving Northern California credit for inventing mountain biking when there were British off-roaders like Geoff Apps for decades before Gary Fisher and friends starting doing it (and I say this as an American). The Singletrack Magazine documentary from a couple years ago covered this history.

  • @neildaniel8232
    @neildaniel8232 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did that exact fork mod on the XCM forks on my Voodoo Hoodoo. Do it to the forks on that chap one Neil picked up!

  • @MrGrayFox0
    @MrGrayFox0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Guys!- I'm missing the "Bike Cave"...

    • @benasquith26
      @benasquith26 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And top mods

    • @kyleslater5245
      @kyleslater5245 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I liked top mods. Meh on the bike caves

  • @aaronwaderides7209
    @aaronwaderides7209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hey Doddy ive got a old Manitou fork id love to send to you to rebuild for a project

  • @funkafize
    @funkafize 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    While scanning the market recently for a 24” kids hard tail, It’s interesting to see how brands come and go. Brands I would have considered years ago now have overpriced under-specced bikes. While brands I always overlooked as being either cheap junk or expensive semi boutique (at least in Australia), now offer quality bikes for reasonable prices. We ended up pre ordering a new Orbea Laufey 24 H20 Junior. Yesterday I noticed Marin have released the San Quentin 24. Goes to show you need to reassess your stance on brands every few years.

  • @tim__sadler
    @tim__sadler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Today's Top Fact: Whilst El Roy's does have a restaurant, the best food they do is from their food truck (which is just down the road from Marin HQ)....and it is in Sonoma County, not Marin. It's also popular with the e13 team too (who are just down the road as well).

  • @joshiboy31
    @joshiboy31 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Inadvertently brought a 'counterfeit' (wasn't marketed as) multitool from Aliexpress for a whole £4.27 and have to say its awesome quality

  • @grahampye2314
    @grahampye2314 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Larkspur. The cruiser you can cruise singletrack on! I wish they made one big enough for a 6'1" rider...

    • @j.l.5966
      @j.l.5966 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Graham Pye I’ve always wanted a “sleeper” bike, which is a bike that other riders would laugh at when you roll up on the trail because it looks like it doesn’t shred. But then you would keep up and even pass these same riders. I think this Larkspur would fit the bill lol!

  • @JJ_MTB_15
    @JJ_MTB_15 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Marin has great bike, the hawk hill was the most fun bike ive ever owned.

  • @donutbarbell
    @donutbarbell 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A few episodes back you showed the Marin El Roy. Well as an avid hardtail fan it had me intrigued but as someone who “sort of” enjoys to climbs as well as the gnarly descents would you recommend it or is there another aggressive hardtail that’ll fair better on the way up?

  • @coreyfromaus
    @coreyfromaus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Props for the effort but those RST dirt jump forks are downright dangerous how weak they are.
    Broke a pair 4 days after buying my Mongoose fireball just from using the front brake a lot, didn't even get to jump it(which I'm glad).

  • @laszlolesko3758
    @laszlolesko3758 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sirs,
    First of all, I would like to say thanks for hard work! I really enjoy your shows!
    But my questin is:
    What happened with my favourite part,I miss the bike cave part...
    Greatings from Hungary

  • @luclachaine7849
    @luclachaine7849 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see the marin stack up against the Chromag doctahawk!!

  • @milogibbins8620
    @milogibbins8620 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am looking to build a hardtail from scratch and I live in Australia. I was wondering if there are any online stores where I could buy all my parts in one place and get them delivered to me.

    • @johnsonjay60
      @johnsonjay60 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Might have to do a few places. Seeing how everything is sold out. World wide,Jenson,many others work with your most local bike shop too. Might take awhile.
      Good luck!

  • @jamesharmer4253
    @jamesharmer4253 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    But when is the trance x coming to the UK? I want one

  • @Sargnort
    @Sargnort 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mtb's have exploded in Australia atm with all the covid restrictions on. Just sold my Specialized for basically the same price I brought it for. No stock available unless you spend over 5000.

    • @dr224444
      @dr224444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same situation here in UK

    • @mtbboy1993
      @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      nothing has changed in Norway, same prising.👌

  • @rupedog
    @rupedog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Giant wont bring in size XL....the new range size will be S, M, L....and GIANT! 😂

  • @Murray_23
    @Murray_23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an original crank bros multi tool from back in 2005. Still going strong, just a little rusty.

  • @gogovitch66
    @gogovitch66 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this bikestand from actofive! :D Looks expensive already 😅

  • @johnanstee6426
    @johnanstee6426 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi I know this of topic but I have a BMC trail mountain bike and need a hidden gps tracker for it .could you recommend one too me please .it has a dropper post so it cannot go there .thanks John

  • @jaydunn2898
    @jaydunn2898 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Marin is in the window of my local, expensive tho:(

    • @johnsonjay60
      @johnsonjay60 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Save up! Do they take payments?

    • @jaydunn2898
      @jaydunn2898 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jay Johnson no I think I’m gonna go for a vitus MYTHIQUE 29 vrx

    • @johnsonjay60
      @johnsonjay60 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaydunn2898 good bike. Vitus impresses me alot. Almost got that rig for my lil bro. But he found something else. Can't go wrong with that bike 🤙

    • @jaydunn2898
      @jaydunn2898 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jay Johnson yes probs the best value around and I’m only 15 so good bike to progress on 🤟🏿

    • @johnsonjay60
      @johnsonjay60 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jaydunn2898 excellent starter rig. Think they are like around 2k. Vitus brought more aggressive bikes affordable to people the ht from 2018 was big. I know 2 people that have one. I think thats a great choice. Definitely best bang for your buck.🤘

  • @gaddmeister
    @gaddmeister 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is no link to the Marin video!

  • @A.D.D.O.C.D.T
    @A.D.D.O.C.D.T 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just bought blue valve stems. Would have bought the king ones too.

  • @pernyberg2816
    @pernyberg2816 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Firstly. I have been watching GMBN and GMBN Tech for at least 4 years and I watch everything that you guys produce. Keep it up!
    Secondly: I will really miss Henry in the show... sad face
    I just bought a bike with a, not very convenient, bottle cage mount under the downtube. I will never put a bottle there for obvious reasons. But, what are my option on that exposed part of the bike? I have tried too find any good information but Ii find that there is none.

    • @pernyberg2816
      @pernyberg2816 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Janky no I meant different storage/carrying solutions to put under the downtube where I have bolts for a bottle cage...that I will never use for a bottle cage.... I already have it wrapped....

  • @mtbboy1993
    @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    14:21 just a tip, you are actually saying Åhlins, Ö and Ø sound is actually the same as in many English words like GIRL BIRD replace the I with Ö and Ø.

    • @Ranglegoose
      @Ranglegoose 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pretty sure they are saying "Ohlins". No accent :P

    • @mtbboy1993
      @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Ranglegoose that's my point, completely different from Ö which is like Girl Bird , Disturbed, which is a word that uses Ø/Ö sound when there is an U, same with Under. Å is an Scandinavian sound that sounds like O you are correct, but in Scandinavian countries O is different, sometimes O is the same as Å but sometimes it's different, Å is like Oh, O I am not sure how to describe. but sometimes it sounds like the O you are referring to like Å, sometimes not. another example of when O is sounding like Å is Over, which has same meaning as in English and sounds the same. also AA= Å. and if you heard how berm peak(previously Seth bike hacks) say, Smash, he says Smæsh. U sounds like A crowd booing, BUUUUUUUUU.

    • @Ranglegoose
      @Ranglegoose 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mtbboy1993 I'm danish. I know. But I don't think they are trying to pronounce Ö as anything other than "O"

    • @mtbboy1993
      @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ranglegoose Yea, I know, but I've heard it pronounced correctly, nobody says it like it in Norway, or Sweden, and I bet it's the same in Denmark. But I see even in official videos they say it wrong. so nobody seem to care anymore.

    • @mtbboy1993
      @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Ranglegoose this conversation reminds me of this sketch, it's a language sketch making fun of car related stuff and old language, and a fake development of words, into Peugeot th-cam.com/video/6AG8xQ0PQkg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ReneBlegen
      There were no carbonators or a car brand back then.

  • @rupedog
    @rupedog 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I suspect.a new Reign on the way, with more travel, to differentiate from the trance x more, and be more in line with the current enduro travel average

    • @shafiqjan1474
      @shafiqjan1474 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Reign X has 10mm more travel up front and a switch to a coil shock. What you seek already exists. As far as plans for a longer travel Reign go, there isn't anything in the pipeline but my guess is that we may see a refined Reign for 2022. 🤞

  • @mtbboy1993
    @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    14:43 I haven't heard of this brand yet, but I haven't caught up on my RSS feed yet.
    But interesting bike for sure.

    • @mtbboy1993
      @mtbboy1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Unstable Sociopath {4:20} yea, you are correct. Thx.

  • @ethandavies8857
    @ethandavies8857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ajay on the cover

  • @cooper_sends21
    @cooper_sends21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Giant reign sx 29 thoughts

  • @dday-does-stuff
    @dday-does-stuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here's the Marin vid (maybe I missed it elsewhere, sorry): th-cam.com/video/VK0vrUCLhXA/w-d-xo.html

  • @10stoneobones86
    @10stoneobones86 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fancy using my 2009 rockshox tora 130 mm?

  • @01FozzyS
    @01FozzyS 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sadly, the Marin Museum is still closed because of COVID, Doddie.

  • @davidgeiger8620
    @davidgeiger8620 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    63 degree headangle in sag is about 65,66 degree............. on a hardtail, it needs to be so

  • @llove-electrical
    @llove-electrical 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    #askGMBNtech I bought a new bike it has a sram nx derailleur and shifter with a sunrace 11-48 casset am I able to change to a 11-50 casset.

  • @hydrosafari
    @hydrosafari 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doddy-looks at watch **yawn and thinks** ‘Come on Henry it’s just a multi tool’.

  • @mtnbikerva1
    @mtnbikerva1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    All the videos and reviews, and comparisons, are in the west and or at ski resorts.
    I live in the Northern Virginia area. I need a bike for the true tight single track and switch backs, along with the multiple types of terrain and soil we have in this region. I do not I do not want a bike that is a pedal and Crankset DESTROYER!!!!
    I like a bike that does not dictate to me all the many places it will not allow pedaling!
    A bike that performs well at: sprints, Climbs, descents, flat areas, roots, ruts, really rocky, loose soil, loose on hard, mud, sand, loam...
    Our Appalachian mountains are older and not as peaked as the Rockies, or as tall.
    NOT DOING GAP JUMPS AND BIKE PARKS.
    Any of you able to ride and compare the other 12x-14x travel, brands/bikes to INTENSE, GIANT TRANCE X pro, PIVOT 429, or maybe too much bike for here the SWITCHBLADE?
    Is it true that the NEW redesigned SWITCHBLADE is such a better pedaling and handling magician that it is as good or better than a smaller travel bike like the 429 or Scott whatever model, etc.?
    Are most of the bikes to long and slack to ride the tighter switchbacks?
    Looking for a great all around MIDATLANTIC, totally different environment of riding.
    Will the new Geometry of the LOW, long and slack, be harder on the knees since I assume the knee will be more in front of the pedal spindle vs traditional? Is the Intense geometry a little behind, in reality? Is this good or bad for a pedal everywhere bike? Not just descending!
    How about the LIVE VALVE, is it just a way to Separate A fool from his money? Or does it truly make it like owning two or three different bikes? Does it make it a cross country bike and a trail bike and a enduro bike? Does it add in a lot of problems in cost and time and maintenance? Or does it just make the bike a lot better?
    How good is the basic peddling platform and suspension on the Trance X? Without the Live Wire magic, is it as good or better than a DW link? What are the differences in sprinting, climbing, ascending tech/rocky and loose or roots, and tight switchbacks? Descending same?
    WOW what horrible wheels the Trance X pro comes with! Do you have to pedal a quarter of the way around before the hub engages? What are the specs on rim internal and ext.? Spokes? Nipples? Is the hub upgradable? carbon quality? Do they crack easy? Will a 2.6 fit well in the back?
    What is the quality of the frame carbon?
    I do not want to get beat up or jack hammered, but I don’t want a wet noodle.
    I am 6 foot 1 inch tall and 165 pounds naked.
    A bike and manufacture I can count on In the backcountry, and to have to have quality support post sale!!!!
    Thank you, and good riding to you all!

  • @MiserereMei
    @MiserereMei 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nobody commenting on a steel hardtail with Deore costing £2,000+? Seems a bit steep to me.

  • @dwaynerbear
    @dwaynerbear 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doddy bored at 08:35 :-)

  • @jacobra0215
    @jacobra0215 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi

  • @theonlyalan731
    @theonlyalan731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know who told you that investment cast dropouts are the toughest type. But that is asinine. A forged dropout will always be tougher than I cast drop out. Assuming they're made of comprable alloys.

  • @ltrtg13
    @ltrtg13 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    After watching FCN's video about how to lock up your bike. Now I know why Henry is leaving the country.

  • @leechez7470
    @leechez7470 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lads love TECH show question iam a big lad and use mtb to lose weight and to make social changes meet new people.do mtb have weight issues to parts etc I have problems with shocks due to my weight any tips apart from a diet 😂😂😂lost 3 stone to date

  • @luccavirgallito4014
    @luccavirgallito4014 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2nd comment

  • @benasquith26
    @benasquith26 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this Henry’s last show :(

  • @rodrigormotta
    @rodrigormotta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't understand why the industry insist on this horrible tire valve design. Everything else that uses tires uses a Schrader valve. With the new wide rims there is no reason not to! I use the no tubes Schrader valve on my bike and it is awesome! Will never break because I'm not as careful as a brain surgeon while pumping my tires!

    • @Btothewill
      @Btothewill 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rodrigo Motta I hear you! I just went tubeless with presta- didn’t know they had tubeless Schrader

    • @benasquith26
      @benasquith26 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brandon Williams yeah, but good luck getting a decent rim that’s compatible without having to drill a hole in it

    • @rodrigormotta
      @rodrigormotta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know. I drilled my E13 one. The hole isn't that much larger so no problem doing that... Stan even recommends the drill size

    • @shafiqjan1474
      @shafiqjan1474 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It has more to do with the kit carried by riders. All that stuff is Presta compatible. Also, no one makes alloy Schrader valves in a full range of anodized colors. 👤

    • @rodrigormotta
      @rodrigormotta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shafiqjan1474 most pumps are compatible with both standards. The hole on the rim is just a bit bigger so a presta tube works ok. And honestly reliability sit a lot higher on my priority list than fancy colors on a valve!

  • @cutweldgrind
    @cutweldgrind 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @GMBN Tech Visited Marin some years ago and never before had I experienced subltle racism as I had on that trip. No thanks for your suggestion.

  • @axial27
    @axial27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Giant just increased the prices on most of their models. Kinda sucks.

    • @shafiqjan1474
      @shafiqjan1474 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It does suck but it is due to the increased costs incurred while trying to supply the U.S. market during a time where business is just difficult due to "circumstances beyond our control". Hope for the best and be comforted by the fact that product is landing.

  • @theanimaster
    @theanimaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Talking about counterfeit - how about Spurcycle Bells vs thousands of cheap knock-offs ... after reading about what they have to put up with, I decided to buy two more (one for each of my kids) apart from my own.

  • @Asdabag5099
    @Asdabag5099 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi

  • @theonlyalan731
    @theonlyalan731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know who told you that investment cast dropouts are the toughest type. But that is asinine. A forged dropout will always be tougher than I cast drop out. Assuming they're made of comprable alloys.

  • @theonlyalan731
    @theonlyalan731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know who told you that investment cast dropouts are the toughest type. But that is asinine. A forged dropout will always be tougher than I cast drop out. Assuming they're made of comprable alloys.

  • @theonlyalan731
    @theonlyalan731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know who told you that investment cast dropouts are the toughest type. But that is asinine. A forged dropout will always be tougher than I cast drop out. Assuming they're made of comprable alloys.