I love the discussion around Yoda's species name, because Star Wars background info really is that ridiculous. Hell, Obi-Wan's home planet is named "Stewjon" because Jon Stewart was the first one to ask George Lucas that question.
Hell, an entire *subgenre of music* has a silly (and lewd) name, but Yoda's species doesn't. It's just Yoda's species, like Freeza's race has never had any provably canonical name except "Freeza's race".
@@datafoxy AHH okay, so it’s been awhile since I’ve went blind, but I do remember the Senate scene… You’re going to have to go back and comb through every species for me to work out if they’ve got their own platform LOL. I know ET species makes an appearance there. So surely Yoders does as well. Ha
i do feel like its a little unfair to give ify that point right after not giving brennen the point for the dong question where he did essentially the same thing
As an avid fan of Brennan I am getting in the comments to say... ... great game and well played. Good clean game all around and I am shocked to see my boy simply just get beaten.
@@nathanielhughes8071 He says "Bun-fu. Umactuallybunfu." It's well established in _Um, Actually_ precedence that if you sneak the "Um, Actually-" in before someone calls you on it, you get the point.
I honestly wish for an even more pedantic version of Um, Actually where Brennan can be free to criticize the accuracy of the terminology in every question. It's what us nerds deserve
The 20000 leagues under the sea thing was a bullshit correction because the way it is properly used in the title refers to the distance travelled under the sea and not depth. Brennan’s other forms of pedantry are typically warranted though.
Um Actually that is the first edition cover for The Way of Kings U.K edition, the original first edition cover is by Michael Whelan. You know they say it's impossible for humans to hit those notes, but damned if people haven't come startlingly close. There's a number of human (as far as I know) performers who have done it and some of them sound about as close as we can get. It is incredible what the human voice can do. Needed more bird facts. Bun-fu, what a wild ride.
11:54 "and isn't Don Quixote widely regarded as the first actual novel?" Um, actually, The Tale of Genji is widely considered the world's first "novel" (and precedes Don Quixote by some 400 years) while the Epic of Gilgamesh is generally considered the oldest work of written fiction.
And, incidentally- Piers Anthony (last book cover, only one I recognized 32:28 ) also wrote a series called “Incarnations of Immortality,” with a super sweet premise about various cosmic beings (Death, Time, the three Fates, etc) being roles that regular humans become through various means (like a person becomes death if they kill the current death). And it’s a pretty sweet premise, BUT- it’s kinda’ ruined by the fact that there’s one character (portrayed as a very noble person) who kinda’ sorta’ ends up having an affair with a very young girl- albeit while she’s possessing a full grown woman’s body, but also with complete awareness that mentally, this is a very young girl. This is justified because this very young girl is also very mature for her age, partially due to the fact that she was sex trafficked before being put into the grown woman’s body. And that’s why I’m not much of a Piers Anthony fan, anymore.
14:37 I was astonished when Saltzman didn't say "Um actually..." I felt I was losing my mind when nobody corrected him, I even went back to the time stamp to make sure I heard correctly. It was then that I remembered you don't need to say "Um actually..." in shiny questions.
iffy also didn't say um actually when he corrected Brennan about Bunfu. I'm not sure if the correction like that also has to be an um actually, blank answer though.
@@ldragon8480 My personal policy is, you should be as hardass as you possibly can when judging scoop attempts - no Um, Actually, no points! But it's all very loose when it comes to scooping.
Um, actually, the "Diva Dance" from Fifth Element was only THOUGHT to be literally impossible for a human to sing. Several opera singers have taken this as a challenge, and CRUSHED it.
Got a few examples on hand, actually. This live performance by Elina Nechayeva, to start with: th-cam.com/video/WCHlvGxEWrU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ElinaNechayeva Additionally, the first time I saw this particular song covered was by Hong Kong singer Jane Zhang in the following video: th-cam.com/video/kJl2uPNsJEk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ZhangJaneHK
@@the_pleasant_potter Vocal coaches and professionals have established that it's impossible. The jump between notes is too wide and too fast. Dimash tried and didn't succeed. Jane Zhang was close but didn't hit the right notes nor had enough strength and projection in her voice.
Fun fact. Gravity Falls was originally titled as Twin Pines, a direct reference to Twin Peaks. Not only that, but the zigzag carpet from the dream sequences in Twin Peaks can be found in the restaurant in "The Hand That Rocks the Mabel."
I am still waiting for Brennan Lee Mulligan to be given a chance to host the show. If Iffy can host than Brennan deserves the chance too. Join me in rising up in the comment section to demand this injustice be rectified.
Watching Brennan (who we know provides questions for this show) getting his shit kicked in and the fact he has the nerd ability to not get upset about it should teach us something about how to human.
He hasn't been writing questions for Um, Actually for quite some time (except the DnD ones). I think Salzman writes them now besides being the fact-checker.
Seeing Brennan lose feels like that scene in Robinhood: Men in Tights when Robin loses the archery contest. Still great game and won fair and square :)
Brennan said: "Can't you see his dong in this?" The reasonable assumption is that 'this' was referring to the picture shown. When the answer is revealed it is shown that the picture in question does not in fact show his dong. Therefore i must sadly agree with Trapp that it is indeed not correct.
Yup, he accused them of removing his dong from the image, which they did not do. Nor did they remove the quote from the dong-bearing image because that had been done by the meme creator. So he was wrong in all ways.
They've done all-stars, one-theme episodes, valentine's day and Halloween episodes, the switcheroo episode. But i think they should do an episode kind of like fibbage where every contestant has to write a number of questions for the show and gets points if no one can correct them. As there are usually three shiny questions, players can also prepare those and that will maybe spawn more of different & creative rounds. The host is also playing (to balance out the fact that one of the players wrote the question). This would be kinda like this episode or the all-stars episodes but on new difficulty.
Brennans reaction to Ify stealing his point over bun-fu was absolutely golden! That was the best thing I have ever seens I think. WOW. He's just losing his mind.
interesting point about Yoda's species, George Lucas said that he left them unnamed intentionally in order to have Yoda be the archetypal mysterious wanderer (old wise man, that appears in the scene and leaves) without revealing anything about himself. also I'm conflicted about Brennen losing. on the one hand I'm a fan of his so I like seeing him win but on the other it was so fun to see him befuddled and mind blown the whole time :D
Brennan has a point about the term "Space", technically the first time areas outside of Earth were referenced as "Outer Space" was in Paradise Lost, published in the 17th Century.
Sure but that's in English. The first time anyone referred to the place beyond the sky as another place? That's pretty fundamental mythology (consider "the heavens" as a translation).
@@MedatonOrtano but thats not the point he's making. he knows that it was referred to by other different things by everyone back then, which is why he is saying specifically "space" as being the area beyond our atmosphere wasnt a word that was used until the 17th century, not that noone ever referred to the area at all which you are implying
@@JubioHDX It may have been referred to but maybe by accident we describe celestial bodies as in the heavens but I'm not sure if they'd have originally understood what it was like outside the atmosphere beyond "Well, there's no humans there, *fuck* must not be for us."
BUNNIES & BURROWS!!!! I can't believe this showed up in a question, this makes me so happy. Before the pandemic I had been in the middle of engineering a homebrew system of my own based on Watership Down; while googling other lagomorph-based TTRPGs I could possibly use for reference, of course Bunnies & Burrows appeared, and I knew immediately with great sorrow in my heart that I was bested. A greater punsmith than I had traveled this way before me, and planted their flag in the most perfect of all possible names. What else was there for me? Bungeons and Dragons? Impossible. And yet, what a joy to know that such a precise confluence of one's interests is shared and participated in by others! --Anyway, Brennan got dunked on by the same bun pun I did, and that's fucking fantastic. I love this episode and this show and everyone on it amen
Brennan seems like the kind of person who might be awake at 3am, muddling his brain over Dimension20 plots, two pots of coffee deep, ironing his fitted sheets so they'll behave when he tries to fold them.
Mummies Alive was pretty fun, but the whole Ja-Kal thing gets even more hilarious when you look at the character design. He's wearing the Ra style headdress which should be represented by a raptor (falcon or kite usually), but with a jackal face on the top that curves down to form a beak XD
That was fun! Well played game with three very strong contestants whose interplay really had me laughing. Great end to a crappy workweek. Also, I knew "A Spell for Chameleon". Read Anthony's "Xanth" and "Incarnations of Immortality" avidly in high school. I was lost on the rest of the covers, though.
With the venom question it would also have been valid to say "um actually, venom has not bonded with a cartoon pig. Spider-ham is a spider that was bitten by a radioactive pig."
Um actually, the first host of the symbiote (not yet recognized as venom) differs between comic runs and continuities including an alien named Knull, but in one run it was retconned that the first *human* host was Deadpool as a reason to explain its insanity, but it has at times been shown as brock, peter, or others I'm sure.
Um actually, deadpool has hosted more symbiotes than any other human, both in total, and at the same time, which makes deadpool a boss to which no one else can be compared....
I'm so glad to hear that someone else thought Yoda was just a really old human that had been kept alive by the force, and just shrunk and aged over time. That's what I understood as a kid, and was disappointed when I learned he was a different species.
Ok, neither you nor the show in explaining this theory has mentioned the part about TURNING GREEN in the process haha. (Not to mention the pointed ears yet somehow those I can live with.)
Um Actually, as of the Lightyear movie, Zurg isn't his father but instead is an alternate time line version of Buzz Lightyear and the reason he is called Zurg is because the robots he is using can't say the name Buzz.
Um actually, there is a real unaltered performance of the song from the 5th Element by Jane Zhang. It can be found on youtube, she is supported by an ochestra and it is absolutely amazing! So maybe it was intended to be impossible to be performed by human vocal chords, but she just went ahead and did it anyway.
I was looking for this comment, except I was going to say by Dimash. Now I have an extra version to check out so thanks. Although I'm sure it is still technically impossible to sing/perform as written.
Um actually, I got in the comments to say exactly this! Clearly no one checked with actual singers to find out if it’s actually impossible. There was way more they could have done to make it impossible. Not trying hard enough.
it actually wasn't even specifically intended to be impossible, the opera singer who they hired just like. i guess refused to learn it? she just said it was too hard and nobody pressed her about it I Guess
@@TheUnofficialNinja based on what I e read, it was intended to be impossible but the singer was able to hit almost (not all of) the notes and it has been covered since then
@@droxina From what I've read, most of it is possible, except for one part near the end which has been confirmed by numerous vocal coaches/singers/experts that it's humanly impossible.
The symbiote known as "Venom" isn't actually named Venom. His name is too alien to pronounce, and combination of the alien and a human is known as venom.
Um actually the Way of Kings cover shown was the U.K. edition which splits the novel into two different books. So saying it is is the cover for The Way of Kings, with no further explanation, is technically incorrect. As it is the cover for the Way of Kings Part 1 not the full Way of Kings.
@@VaellinTheBard They usually release at the same time in the US and UK so people do not get in habit of importing from the other region, so most likely they were released at the same time.
Uhm Actually(I have 2 of these) it was revealed in an after-prequel comic of Secret Wars(where Spider-Man first encountered the symbiote) that Deadpool found it first and had a few goofy adventures, it's said that the Klyntar(The Symbiote Alien Race(this is my #2 btw, they didn't call it the Klyntar)) was a very calm and peaceful race of aliens, but after the venom symbiote bonded with Deadpool it went crazy due to His wacky Deadpool-ness. Sorry for the long post
Haha the comedy on this one is so gold, this whole caat has such good chemistry, and Trapp is hilarious as always. Love the comment about Salsman’s bunched up fitted sheet 😂
Salzman seemed genuinely irritated that anyone would fold their sheets haha. "Why? Just explain to me, why should I fold this??" I'm still in the 5-years-younger-Brennan stage of "sure I can show you my fitted sheet, I'll just take it off my bed."
BRENNAN'S ABSOLUTELY GODSMACKED LOOK AFTER IFY STEALS HIS POINT IS SO GODDAMN EFFERVESCENT. like i would react the same way if someone goddamn destroyed me like that with the stupidest name in history. especially if it was ify bc i mean c'mon it's ify
Brennan was cheated out of a point here when Iffy acted while Brennan had priority (on Bun-Fu, Brennan as the active answerer should have had the option to elaborate before Iffy, except Iffy shouted out the answer out of turn)
True. And Iffy did not say "Um, actually" to answer that. But being that quick to answer the wonderful guess that is "Bun-fu", I, personally, feel like it's deserved 😅
@@kevinsarmiento7899 He did say Um Actually, I've watched this particular episode a lot. His exact words are "Bun Fu UMACTUALLY Bun Fu GIMME DAT POINT"
um actually, don quixote is not considered the first novel, "the tale of genji" written by murasaki shikibu in the 11th century is generally considered to be the first novel
...Except for that book covers Shiny haha. That was really shocking compared to their hit rate on the others. And not only a 0 for the question, but a 0 where all they had to do is have one person answer one out of five questions!
This was a beautiful episode. Definitely my favorite so far. The dong jokes had me trying so hard to hold in my laughter that my wife asked when I was "up to" as if I were a child hiding an evil prank on my sibling from my parents.
um actually, at the time the movie came out no one was able to sing the divas song but many years down the road at least one person has been able to do so.
Proud to say I got 3 of the book covers: Clockwork Orange, Kushiel's Dart and Spell for Chameleon. Though having gotten nothing else right the entire show I would have scored a losing 3 (or one if the best among books was worth one point).
The thing about Yoda's species gave me an idea for a sci-fi where earth encounters a casually racist planetary society that refers to humans by the name of the first astronaut they encountered.
UM ACTUALLY : Peter Parker wasn't Venoms first host it was explained that it was actually Wade Willson (deadpool) who was on battle world got the Sybiote and it went mad due to being bonded with him no matter how short before putting it back in the machine that Peter Parker got it out of !
Ify still gets the point because the correction was "Eddie Brock, Venom's first host." So identifying that it was in fact _not_ Eddie Brock wins you the point.
The image of the Dr. Manhattan sitting down seems altered as well. I pulled my copy of the book to find the images, and it the graphic novel, he's holding a photograph. It seems like the star background might also be different. I keep wondering if there's anothe panel that I was missing but it seems unlikely given all the other parts of the image that are identical.
Um, Actually while the piece for Diva was originally created to be physically impossible to sing, there has since been a select few people in the world that have covered the piece with no artificial assistance (auto-tune, etc). A true masterpiece in pitch control!
I was looking to add this point. Those who can sing it are truly amazing. The Charasmatic Voice does a comparison of some of them: th-cam.com/video/785qBy7IQaQ/w-d-xo.html
(Mike Trap explains the concept of "A True Story") Me: "Um, Actually, that sounds incredibly awesome, and how come I've literally never heard of this before?"
There's an Austin McConnel video on the story. But given that he's firstly, a plagiarist and secondly, does make videos with quite big mistakes in them, I hesitate to recommend that video. Who knows how accurate the information presented in it is and who knows whether he stole its content from someone else. But if you're just interested in a video on the story and how it came to be, you might want to check it out.
@@camelopardalis84 Well, I do hate plagiarism lol! Maybe I'll see if I can find the book itself as an audio book somewhere. Thanks for the info, though! Much appreciated. (I also might look into this McConnel person, see if he's as unreliable as you say. Not that I think you're lying, but I'd hate to make an assumption about someone based on one stranger's claims. No offense.)
@@Obstreperous_Octopus You're very welcome! Thanks for the nice reply, trying to get the audiobook sounds like a good idea. I would still recommend reading up on the "story behind the story", because it's quite interesting!
I think a funny and cool concept for an episode would be getting some Science TH-cam creators ( i.e. Kyle Hill, Hank Green, etc ) and having a whole Um, Actually episode with nerdy science trivia
I actually know why yoda's species doesn't have a name. Every time someone at lucasfilm tried to invent any lore about the species, including the name, george lucas immediately shot it down. I think he either said or inferred that yoda's species is intentionally mysterious and unknowable.
Umm, Actually... considering I nailed A Spell For Chameleon, the error is actually on your players for not being cultured, Though, to be fair... Piers Anthony is one of those authors that slowly slid in to the OS Card or JK Rowling category, where the more you know about them, the shadier they get and the less you want to support them (though Anthony is not on the same level of "Nope" as the two I named). But the first like 6 books of Xanth were pretty good, the Adept series was good and his cyber-punk-lite attempt, Kilobyte, was fantastic. Before he kind of slid into crotchety, cynical old man doing kinda' shady business things.
Um actually, if you're talking about Jane Zhang's performance it's not an exact 1:1 of the Diva Plavalaguna song. She explicitly cheats the bits that make it impossible for a human, namely the drastic and rapid note changes in the middle and end.
Of the novels, the only one I got was Piers Anthony's A Spell for Chameleon. My dad has MOST of those books. I stopped reading after book 12. Sadly, Piers Anthony is an author who seems to write for contracts and doesn't know when to properly end his series.
Um actually I am surprised that none of them were fans of the Xanth series because that was the only book cover that I knew especially Iffy since he writes puns on a show and Xantth is packed with puns. I did get tired when I first read them after about 12 but then I went back after some years and read the later ones and they were actually good
@@yoko3182 At least Iffy knew it wasn't The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. But I was screaming like a madman at the screen when they tried to answer and didn't get it.
@@ArgonTheAware That's odd. They were getting long in the tooth and hard to read around book 11. I stopped reading the Incarnations of Immortality after book five, and his Juxtaposition series half way through book four, when they closed the tears in book three.
@@jackielinde7568 In the 16th book Demons Don't Dream they actually made a video game that was depicted in the book that was fun to play and it did get a lot more interesting with #20 Yon Ill Wind with the Demon's Xanth, Jupiter, Earth, Saturn and Fornax messing with the characters in devious games
God I saw that Piers Anthony's Xanth novel and was like AHHHH YEAH!! Those are my favorite books ugh I loved those, the comedy is so on point. It's delightful and full of way more heart than you'd expect from a book mostly made of puns.
I thought that as well, but a rewatch shows that after he said bun-fu he followed it up with, "um, actually bun-fu". That is an accepted form of response in previous episodes.
I used to worry about folding sheets. Then I realized it's better to keep all the elements together, so I ball up the fitted and flat sheets and shove them into the pillowcase, then throw that on the shelf.
Um actually for the watchmen question Brennan should totally have gotten that point. Not only was he correct first but he said "Um actually" and Saltzman didn't. True final score: Breannan-3, Iffy-5, Saltzman-4. Iffy wins.
Um actually, the fifth element song is singable by a human voice, disneydiva7 did it unedited. Maybe at the time it was considered to be impossible, but to say it is physically impossible is inaccurate.
Yes. I am low-key obsessed with this song and have watched many different performances of different singers attempting to sing it unassisted. Some are more successful than others. I do believe the song was written to be impossible to sing, but some people have committed themselves to learning how to sing it naturally (or maybe only one person).
To Um Actually your Um Actually: the first part of the song the Diva Sings; it is from an Aria in the Opera “Lucia Di Lammermor”, where the the main character is going mad. When the instrumentals pick up, that’s when it transitions to the “Unsingable” section. One of the biggest parts that makes it unsingable is because of more than octave jumps, and the crazy run in the middle of it.
Xanth is an entire series revolving around the question "How many unique puns can I cram into one series with like magic and stuff?" The answer is like over 40 books and a VERY strange RPG computer game worth of new puns, and hundreds of years of civilization in this realm. Anyone who considers themselves a lover of puns should at least check out the first couple books in the series. Dragon on a Pedestal, a few in, is one of my favorite books. I, like Princess Ivy, also want the entire universe to just *be* the way I say it is. 😂
I only read one Xanth book, and the premise was that two Earth humans were playing the Xanth computer game which naturally led them into Xanth. I knew nothing about the series but had this weird feeling it was some like, meta novelization of an actual computer game based on earlier books. Still not sure if it was basically just another routine framing device for a novel or was weirder in how it tied in in some way. Maybe kid me just really wished there was a computer game that would let me enter Xanth haha.
I'm glad Salzman called out the PierXanthony pun haha, I vaguely recollect Xanth coming up on the show one other time and them ALMOST figuring that out but not quite seeing it.
I love the discussion around Yoda's species name, because Star Wars background info really is that ridiculous. Hell, Obi-Wan's home planet is named "Stewjon" because Jon Stewart was the first one to ask George Lucas that question.
Hell, an entire *subgenre of music* has a silly (and lewd) name, but Yoda's species doesn't. It's just Yoda's species, like Freeza's race has never had any provably canonical name except "Freeza's race".
Are they talking about when they show the Senate? Wouldn’t there be a bunch of them there as well? I’m blind so can’t go back to check now.
@@blindbrad4719 They are talking about I think, the first Jedi Council scene and Yaddle is seated.
@@datafoxy AHH okay, so it’s been awhile since I’ve went blind, but I do remember the Senate scene… You’re going to have to go back and comb through every species for me to work out if they’ve got their own platform LOL. I know ET species makes an appearance there. So surely Yoders does as well. Ha
So now that this question has been featured, I think the species name should be the Umactu.
Gotta love Brennan's existential crisis when Ify steels a point away from him, about Watership Down, with an answer as stupi as Bun-fu
i do feel like its a little unfair to give ify that point right after not giving brennen the point for the dong question where he did essentially the same thing
also Ify didn't say "um actually"
@@lavenderwalrus9875 The dong question was a lot different though
He did immediately repeat with um actually in the video, it's just hard to hear
He didn't say "um actually" though
As an avid fan of Brennan I am getting in the comments to say...
... great game and well played. Good clean game all around and I am shocked to see my boy simply just get beaten.
You can ALWAYS BET ON DONG.
Yeah like how did my main man lose its just insane
I will say Iffy stole the bunfu point, you still need to say um actually when stealing a point
I'd hardly call it a clean game when Brennan and Ify are stealing from each other. A great game tho.
@@nathanielhughes8071 He says "Bun-fu. Umactuallybunfu." It's well established in _Um, Actually_ precedence that if you sneak the "Um, Actually-" in before someone calls you on it, you get the point.
Um actually, Ify should get a bonus point for having such a good camera compared to everyone else
Hey should also lose one for the Watership Down question, as he did *not* say "Um, Actually" (again).
His OF subscribers insisted on it
@@darebrained He said "bun-fu, umm actually, bun-fu" so he did correct himself before it was brought up, which is usually allowed/forgiven.
I honestly wish for an even more pedantic version of Um, Actually where Brennan can be free to criticize the accuracy of the terminology in every question. It's what us nerds deserve
A special where all the answers require at least a degree in English literature to even begin to dissect
Let's just get Brennan to record a commentary track on every episode doing this.
Um, actually, it's what *WE nerds deserve.
The 20000 leagues under the sea thing was a bullshit correction because the way it is properly used in the title refers to the distance travelled under the sea and not depth. Brennan’s other forms of pedantry are typically warranted though.
I want the opposite. Brennan on an episode where every question has a grammar or usage error, but you are not allowed to correct those.
Brennan bluescreening when Ify steals his point back gives me LIFE! 🤣
This episode really is the best representation of "the tiny computer in Brennan's brain" 😂😂
Iffy didn't even say um actually for that he just chimed in
@@justindaniels5717 We had to give him the point to break brennan
Ify stealing back his point from Brennan = GOLD! 🤣
And without saying Um Actually, nonetheless :D
EDIT: he does actually say Um Actually, it is just hard to hear
@@xTobsecretx I was so ready for brennan to take it back right then
The point should go to Brennan. After all, there's only one rule
@@AEUDKIPLD as always, if the ref don't notice, it don't count.
I brought you to 68, someone needs to put you up to 69!
It's becoming increasingly clear that "The Guy Who Needs To Win Everything" is based on Brennan's actual personality.
But for being so competitive he's a pretty damn good sport
He doesn't particularly care about winning... he just doesn't want to lose
Saltzman was so good! Such a delightful guest for the show.
I know I’m late to watching this but I got super excited when I saw that he would be a guest, he’s a great part of the show in any capacity.
One day Ify will say "I've given up more points then you've ever gotten." Like a true action hero
Um Actually that is the first edition cover for The Way of Kings U.K edition, the original first edition cover is by Michael Whelan.
You know they say it's impossible for humans to hit those notes, but damned if people haven't come startlingly close. There's a number of human (as far as I know) performers who have done it and some of them sound about as close as we can get. It is incredible what the human voice can do.
Needed more bird facts. Bun-fu, what a wild ride.
Literally came here for the the Way of Kings comment.
Um Actually, it's the paperback's first edition cover.
11:54 "and isn't Don Quixote widely regarded as the first actual novel?"
Um, actually, The Tale of Genji is widely considered the world's first "novel" (and precedes Don Quixote by some 400 years) while the Epic of Gilgamesh is generally considered the oldest work of written fiction.
I believe Roman 'novels' have a different meaning but use the same word.
I also came to say this.
The Gilgamesh Cuneiformatic Universe
@@romxxii ah yes the GCU
@@Looztherin i just realized I could've gone with Mesopotamian Cuneiformatic Universe, which is the MCU
Imagine what a force iffy would become if he could just remember to say “Um, actually.”
And, incidentally- Piers Anthony (last book cover, only one I recognized 32:28 ) also wrote a series called “Incarnations of Immortality,” with a super sweet premise about various cosmic beings (Death, Time, the three Fates, etc) being roles that regular humans become through various means (like a person becomes death if they kill the current death).
And it’s a pretty sweet premise, BUT-
it’s kinda’ ruined by the fact that there’s one character (portrayed as a very noble person) who kinda’ sorta’ ends up having an affair with a very young girl- albeit while she’s possessing a full grown woman’s body, but also with complete awareness that mentally, this is a very young girl.
This is justified because this very young girl is also very mature for her age, partially due to the fact that she was sex trafficked before being put into the grown woman’s body.
And that’s why I’m not much of a Piers Anthony fan, anymore.
14:37 I was astonished when Saltzman didn't say "Um actually..." I felt I was losing my mind when nobody corrected him, I even went back to the time stamp to make sure I heard correctly. It was then that I remembered you don't need to say "Um actually..." in shiny questions.
Didn't know that, that makes me feel better
Thank you for that reminder. I paused the video at that point to look and found this and it's a massive relief.
OMG, thank you for that. I was on the edge there for a minute
iffy also didn't say um actually when he corrected Brennan about Bunfu. I'm not sure if the correction like that also has to be an um actually, blank answer though.
@@ldragon8480 My personal policy is, you should be as hardass as you possibly can when judging scoop attempts - no Um, Actually, no points! But it's all very loose when it comes to scooping.
Um, actually, the "Diva Dance" from Fifth Element was only THOUGHT to be literally impossible for a human to sing. Several opera singers have taken this as a challenge, and CRUSHED it.
OMG that’s amazing!!! Off to Google that!
Got a few examples on hand, actually. This live performance by Elina Nechayeva, to start with: th-cam.com/video/WCHlvGxEWrU/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ElinaNechayeva Additionally, the first time I saw this particular song covered was by Hong Kong singer Jane Zhang in the following video: th-cam.com/video/kJl2uPNsJEk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ZhangJaneHK
What is impossible to sing a brief part at the end of the song, which NOBODY has been able to recreate because it's humanly impossible.
I came to the comments to say this!!! haha
@@the_pleasant_potter Vocal coaches and professionals have established that it's impossible. The jump between notes is too wide and too fast. Dimash tried and didn't succeed. Jane Zhang was close but didn't hit the right notes nor had enough strength and projection in her voice.
I can't believe Brennan lost that badly. Great game though. I was elated to see Mummies Alive! being mentioned. Loved that show.
Happy Friday, routine watchers of Um Actually!
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A very happy Thurs to you
Fun fact. Gravity Falls was originally titled as Twin Pines, a direct reference to Twin Peaks. Not only that, but the zigzag carpet from the dream sequences in Twin Peaks can be found in the restaurant in "The Hand That Rocks the Mabel."
Wait, Twin Pines isn't a direct reference to Back to the Future?
Wait, what? I'm really late to the game, but it's sounding more and more like I need to watch Gravity Falls
@@alisaishere its a great show.
@@alisaishere They even got Kyle MacLachlan in to do some voice acting in the last episode. It's great.
I am still waiting for Brennan Lee Mulligan to be given a chance to host the show. If Iffy can host than Brennan deserves the chance too. Join me in rising up in the comment section to demand this injustice be rectified.
GET IN THE COMMENTS!
The problem with Brennan hosting is that he won't be playing
Brennan already got to submit multiple questions as a "Celebrity" fan of the show, he totaly wouldn't want to cheapen that now by hosting.
He already did, but nobody noticed because his mannerisms matched Trapp exactly.
This episode, but swap host and player.
My man, Ify! He knows his Spider-man lore, and Brennan looked like he'd just gotten slapped when Ify snatched that point!
Super excited for all these guests. What a wonderful combination
Watching Brennan (who we know provides questions for this show) getting his shit kicked in and the fact he has the nerd ability to not get upset about it should teach us something about how to human.
He hasn't been writing questions for Um, Actually for quite some time (except the DnD ones). I think Salzman writes them now besides being the fact-checker.
@@Wretchrot I’m afraid you didn’t start with um actually so you do not, in fact, get the point
Seeing Brennan lose feels like that scene in Robinhood: Men in Tights when Robin loses the archery contest. Still great game and won fair and square :)
Loved that real life skills challenge - I hope more of the quarantine ones are inventive like that!
Holey sheet-balls!
Brennan said: "Can't you see his dong in this?" The reasonable assumption is that 'this' was referring to the picture shown. When the answer is revealed it is shown that the picture in question does not in fact show his dong. Therefore i must sadly agree with Trapp that it is indeed not correct.
Yup, he accused them of removing his dong from the image, which they did not do. Nor did they remove the quote from the dong-bearing image because that had been done by the meme creator. So he was wrong in all ways.
They've done all-stars, one-theme episodes, valentine's day and Halloween episodes, the switcheroo episode. But i think they should do an episode kind of like fibbage where every contestant has to write a number of questions for the show and gets points if no one can correct them. As there are usually three shiny questions, players can also prepare those and that will maybe spawn more of different & creative rounds. The host is also playing (to balance out the fact that one of the players wrote the question).
This would be kinda like this episode or the all-stars episodes but on new difficulty.
Brennans reaction to Ify stealing his point over bun-fu was absolutely golden! That was the best thing I have ever seens I think. WOW. He's just losing his mind.
I love how Ify was "Jack-ul isn't a jackal, he's one of those anubis wolf things"... which are jackals
He probably meant the Set beast. Anubis is a jackal, but Set is some weird animal that doesn't really exist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_animal
interesting point about Yoda's species, George Lucas said that he left them unnamed intentionally in order to have Yoda be the archetypal mysterious wanderer (old wise man, that appears in the scene and leaves) without revealing anything about himself.
also I'm conflicted about Brennen losing. on the one hand I'm a fan of his so I like seeing him win but on the other it was so fun to see him befuddled and mind blown the whole time :D
Brennan has a point about the term "Space", technically the first time areas outside of Earth were referenced as "Outer Space" was in Paradise Lost, published in the 17th Century.
No clue if this is right or not but you should add "Um actually..." at the beginning of this statement :D
Sure but that's in English. The first time anyone referred to the place beyond the sky as another place? That's pretty fundamental mythology (consider "the heavens" as a translation).
@@MedatonOrtano but thats not the point he's making. he knows that it was referred to by other different things by everyone back then, which is why he is saying specifically "space" as being the area beyond our atmosphere wasnt a word that was used until the 17th century, not that noone ever referred to the area at all which you are implying
@@JubioHDX It may have been referred to but maybe by accident we describe celestial bodies as in the heavens but I'm not sure if they'd have originally understood what it was like outside the atmosphere beyond "Well, there's no humans there, *fuck* must not be for us."
BUNNIES & BURROWS!!!! I can't believe this showed up in a question, this makes me so happy. Before the pandemic I had been in the middle of engineering a homebrew system of my own based on Watership Down; while googling other lagomorph-based TTRPGs I could possibly use for reference, of course Bunnies & Burrows appeared, and I knew immediately with great sorrow in my heart that I was bested. A greater punsmith than I had traveled this way before me, and planted their flag in the most perfect of all possible names. What else was there for me? Bungeons and Dragons? Impossible. And yet, what a joy to know that such a precise confluence of one's interests is shared and participated in by others! --Anyway, Brennan got dunked on by the same bun pun I did, and that's fucking fantastic. I love this episode and this show and everyone on it amen
Brennan seems like the kind of person who might be awake at 3am, muddling his brain over Dimension20 plots, two pots of coffee deep, ironing his fitted sheets so they'll behave when he tries to fold them.
The knowledge that Zurg is Buzz's father hits different when Lightyear reveals that Zurg is also an older Buzz.
That has to be one of my favorite episodes of Um, Actually yet. Good job! I especially love the double scoop.
I love it was a scoop and a scoopback.
Mummies Alive was pretty fun, but the whole Ja-Kal thing gets even more hilarious when you look at the character design. He's wearing the Ra style headdress which should be represented by a raptor (falcon or kite usually), but with a jackal face on the top that curves down to form a beak XD
I thought Ra ws the scarab, and Osiris the raptor.
That was fun! Well played game with three very strong contestants whose interplay really had me laughing. Great end to a crappy workweek.
Also, I knew "A Spell for Chameleon". Read Anthony's "Xanth" and "Incarnations of Immortality" avidly in high school. I was lost on the rest of the covers, though.
I knew Kushiel's Dart. That whole series is so legit. Phedre is basically a spy in a fantasy setting with a sexy BDSM twist.
This is without a doubt one of the best episodes
With the venom question it would also have been valid to say "um actually, venom has not bonded with a cartoon pig. Spider-ham is a spider that was bitten by a radioactive pig."
Um actually, the first host of the symbiote (not yet recognized as venom) differs between comic runs and continuities including an alien named Knull, but in one run it was retconned that the first *human* host was Deadpool as a reason to explain its insanity, but it has at times been shown as brock, peter, or others I'm sure.
This!
I was coming down to say this exact thing lol.
first "HUMAN" host
@@sabbathjackal Deadpool is human.
Um actually, deadpool has hosted more symbiotes than any other human, both in total, and at the same time, which makes deadpool a boss to which no one else can be compared....
I'm so glad to hear that someone else thought Yoda was just a really old human that had been kept alive by the force, and just shrunk and aged over time. That's what I understood as a kid, and was disappointed when I learned he was a different species.
Ok, neither you nor the show in explaining this theory has mentioned the part about TURNING GREEN in the process haha. (Not to mention the pointed ears yet somehow those I can live with.)
@@jerodastThe Dark side turns you into an immortal lich. Why can't the Light side turn you into a yoda?
A Kushiel's Dart reference!!! Gotta love some nerdy kink. An excellent episode, y'all!
I was so excited to see that cover! I never get the book based shiny questions.
Um Actually, as of the Lightyear movie, Zurg isn't his father but instead is an alternate time line version of Buzz Lightyear and the reason he is called Zurg is because the robots he is using can't say the name Buzz.
I was rooting for Brennan as always, but it was still super satisfying to see him get absolutely annihilated xD
I jumped when I saw Kushiel's Dart that is such an amazing series!!
Always great to see Brennan, Ify and Salzman but the energy that all three had was awesome.
Um actually, there is a real unaltered performance of the song from the 5th Element by Jane Zhang. It can be found on youtube, she is supported by an ochestra and it is absolutely amazing!
So maybe it was intended to be impossible to be performed by human vocal chords, but she just went ahead and did it anyway.
I was looking for this comment, except I was going to say by Dimash. Now I have an extra version to check out so thanks. Although I'm sure it is still technically impossible to sing/perform as written.
Um actually, I got in the comments to say exactly this! Clearly no one checked with actual singers to find out if it’s actually impossible. There was way more they could have done to make it impossible. Not trying hard enough.
it actually wasn't even specifically intended to be impossible, the opera singer who they hired just like. i guess refused to learn it? she just said it was too hard and nobody pressed her about it I Guess
@@TheUnofficialNinja based on what I e read, it was intended to be impossible but the singer was able to hit almost (not all of) the notes and it has been covered since then
@@droxina From what I've read, most of it is possible, except for one part near the end which has been confirmed by numerous vocal coaches/singers/experts that it's humanly impossible.
I absolutely loved this episode. I loved the Mummies Alive slow and seeing how Ify stole a point back from Brennan was epic🤣🤣🤣🤣
Um actually, "A True Story" by Lucien of Samoseta has mpreg in it. That's not a correction yall just need to know that.
And femdom trees
7:34 you can see Mike Trapp's brain noting the "Um Actually not mentioned" and rubbing hands together in gleeful anticipation
I'm so glad I got the Way of Kings one, I hadn't seen that particular cover before but the design looks so much like the Mistborn series covers.
The symbiote known as "Venom" isn't actually named Venom. His name is too alien to pronounce, and combination of the alien and a human is known as venom.
You didn't say Um Actually 😂
Um actually the Way of Kings cover shown was the U.K. edition which splits the novel into two different books. So saying it is is the cover for The Way of Kings, with no further explanation, is technically incorrect. As it is the cover for the Way of Kings Part 1 not the full Way of Kings.
Right! This! Plus I argue the American cover is probably the first edition? I dont know if they were released at the same time
@@VaellinTheBard They usually release at the same time in the US and UK so people do not get in habit of importing from the other region, so most likely they were released at the same time.
I'm from the UK, they sold a complete version and a split up version. The complete version had the same cover as part 1 of way of kings.
Um actually, in Deadpool’s Secret Wars #3, we find that Deadpool was the first person to bond with Venom moments before Peter Parker. 16:57
Uhm Actually(I have 2 of these) it was revealed in an after-prequel comic of Secret Wars(where Spider-Man first encountered the symbiote) that Deadpool found it first and had a few goofy adventures, it's said that the Klyntar(The Symbiote Alien Race(this is my #2 btw, they didn't call it the Klyntar)) was a very calm and peaceful race of aliens, but after the venom symbiote bonded with Deadpool it went crazy due to His wacky Deadpool-ness.
Sorry for the long post
Haha the comedy on this one is so gold, this whole caat has such good chemistry, and Trapp is hilarious as always. Love the comment about Salsman’s bunched up fitted sheet 😂
Salzman seemed genuinely irritated that anyone would fold their sheets haha. "Why? Just explain to me, why should I fold this??"
I'm still in the 5-years-younger-Brennan stage of "sure I can show you my fitted sheet, I'll just take it off my bed."
BRENNAN'S ABSOLUTELY GODSMACKED LOOK AFTER IFY STEALS HIS POINT IS SO GODDAMN EFFERVESCENT. like i would react the same way if someone goddamn destroyed me like that with the stupidest name in history. especially if it was ify bc i mean c'mon it's ify
"You were real quick on that buzzer for it to not feel good" -- Ify exposing that Brennan will do _anything_ for a point.
Brennan was cheated out of a point here when Iffy acted while Brennan had priority (on Bun-Fu, Brennan as the active answerer should have had the option to elaborate before Iffy, except Iffy shouted out the answer out of turn)
True. And Iffy did not say "Um, actually" to answer that.
But being that quick to answer the wonderful guess that is "Bun-fu", I, personally, feel like it's deserved 😅
@@kevinsarmiento7899 He did say Um Actually, I've watched this particular episode a lot. His exact words are "Bun Fu UMACTUALLY Bun Fu GIMME DAT POINT"
@@romxxii oh shit he did! It was soft but he did. Thanks for that man! Totally missed it.
@@romxxii Hahaha that is an excellent transcription
um actually, don quixote is not considered the first novel, "the tale of genji" written by murasaki shikibu in the 11th century is generally considered to be the first novel
Great episode, I love the episodes where the contestants actually know the answers.
...Except for that book covers Shiny haha. That was really shocking compared to their hit rate on the others. And not only a 0 for the question, but a 0 where all they had to do is have one person answer one out of five questions!
This was a beautiful episode. Definitely my favorite so far. The dong jokes had me trying so hard to hold in my laughter that my wife asked when I was "up to" as if I were a child hiding an evil prank on my sibling from my parents.
That was so much fun. You all should get together and just do a show each week talking about nerd stuff.
I can tell right away this will be an amazing episode with these contestants! I'm excited about all 3
um actually, at the time the movie came out no one was able to sing the divas song but many years down the road at least one person has been able to do so.
Um, Actually, the song from the Fifth Element is not impossible to be sung as it has been sung in more recent years.
Proud to say I got 3 of the book covers: Clockwork Orange, Kushiel's Dart and Spell for Chameleon. Though having gotten nothing else right the entire show I would have scored a losing 3 (or one if the best among books was worth one point).
Best is almost always 1 for Shinies. The one exception is when Ify hosted and granted a double Shiny point.
The thing about Yoda's species gave me an idea for a sci-fi where earth encounters a casually racist planetary society that refers to humans by the name of the first astronaut they encountered.
SO EXCITED TO SEE SALTZMAN PLAY ♥️♥️
Um actually you can find people who are able to sing plava Laguna. It was thought impossible but TH-camrs have done it
UM ACTUALLY : Peter Parker wasn't Venoms first host it was explained that it was actually Wade Willson (deadpool) who was on battle world got the Sybiote and it went mad due to being bonded with him no matter how short before putting it back in the machine that Peter Parker got it out of !
Ify still gets the point because the correction was "Eddie Brock, Venom's first host." So identifying that it was in fact _not_ Eddie Brock wins you the point.
@@romxxii I agree but as we all know know nerd law dictates more correct is a thing and I was being more correct.
15:34 to 15:40 please watch this first. Because out of context this is amazing
The image of the Dr. Manhattan sitting down seems altered as well. I pulled my copy of the book to find the images, and it the graphic novel, he's holding a photograph. It seems like the star background might also be different.
I keep wondering if there's anothe panel that I was missing but it seems unlikely given all the other parts of the image that are identical.
Brennan's expressions of despair as he recognizes he can't win. I thought he said he would feel alive when he finally lost this game.
Um Actually the song from the 5th element isn't impossible. An artist by the name of Jane Zhang Nail accomplished it many years later.
Darn, you beat me to it.
I already loved Ify form his time with RT. I love even more knowing that he writes for this show. Thank you for all that you have done!
Weirdly, I have to side with Brennan on the dong issue. That was technically a correct answer.
Yes, especially since Slatzman didn't say "um, actually"
@@RonSeubers You don't have to say "um, actually" for shiny questions though
@@stone5against1 right, I forgot about that
Really fun episode, it was clear everyone was enjoying it! Great job!
Um, Actually while the piece for Diva was originally created to be physically impossible to sing, there has since been a select few people in the world that have covered the piece with no artificial assistance (auto-tune, etc). A true masterpiece in pitch control!
I was looking to add this point. Those who can sing it are truly amazing. The Charasmatic Voice does a comparison of some of them: th-cam.com/video/785qBy7IQaQ/w-d-xo.html
I can't wait for you guys to get back into in person shows. You've done unbelievably well with the zoom style but I miss the in person chemistry
(Mike Trap explains the concept of "A True Story")
Me: "Um, Actually, that sounds incredibly awesome, and how come I've literally never heard of this before?"
There's an Austin McConnel video on the story. But given that he's firstly, a plagiarist and secondly, does make videos with quite big mistakes in them, I hesitate to recommend that video. Who knows how accurate the information presented in it is and who knows whether he stole its content from someone else.
But if you're just interested in a video on the story and how it came to be, you might want to check it out.
@@camelopardalis84 Well, I do hate plagiarism lol!
Maybe I'll see if I can find the book itself as an audio book somewhere.
Thanks for the info, though! Much appreciated.
(I also might look into this McConnel person, see if he's as unreliable as you say. Not that I think you're lying, but I'd hate to make an assumption about someone based on one stranger's claims. No offense.)
@@Obstreperous_Octopus You're very welcome! Thanks for the nice reply, trying to get the audiobook sounds like a good idea. I would still recommend reading up on the "story behind the story", because it's quite interesting!
If only Grant was there for the constant, perfect innuendos Grant's constantly making
I think a funny and cool concept for an episode would be getting some Science TH-cam creators ( i.e. Kyle Hill, Hank Green, etc ) and having a whole Um, Actually episode with nerdy science trivia
I honestly think Brennan deserved the point for the novel thing.
I actually know why yoda's species doesn't have a name. Every time someone at lucasfilm tried to invent any lore about the species, including the name, george lucas immediately shot it down. I think he either said or inferred that yoda's species is intentionally mysterious and unknowable.
One of my favorite episodes to date, also could keep up with all the questions except for the last shiny question!
Umm, Actually... considering I nailed A Spell For Chameleon, the error is actually on your players for not being cultured,
Though, to be fair... Piers Anthony is one of those authors that slowly slid in to the OS Card or JK Rowling category, where the more you know about them, the shadier they get and the less you want to support them (though Anthony is not on the same level of "Nope" as the two I named). But the first like 6 books of Xanth were pretty good, the Adept series was good and his cyber-punk-lite attempt, Kilobyte, was fantastic. Before he kind of slid into crotchety, cynical old man doing kinda' shady business things.
the lucian question really made me want a classics episode of this show
You guys should do an all spoilers episode.
Yo for real that was my theory for the longest time! That Yoda was just what happens when a human gets to be 800 years old.
18:28 Brennon's Brian exploding as he realizes he's lost this game
Um, actually, while designed to be impossible, a Chinese opera singer has successfully performed the full Diva Dance.
I came here to type this exact thing - the Best thing about it - it was a GUY!
Um actually, if you're talking about Jane Zhang's performance it's not an exact 1:1 of the Diva Plavalaguna song. She explicitly cheats the bits that make it impossible for a human, namely the drastic and rapid note changes in the middle and end.
Of the novels, the only one I got was Piers Anthony's A Spell for Chameleon. My dad has MOST of those books. I stopped reading after book 12. Sadly, Piers Anthony is an author who seems to write for contracts and doesn't know when to properly end his series.
I got so mad when that was revealed because I OWN THAT ONE. I was sitting there like "I have seen this before. Is it Narnia?"
Um actually I am surprised that none of them were fans of the Xanth series because that was the only book cover that I knew especially Iffy since he writes puns on a show and Xantth is packed with puns. I did get tired when I first read them after about 12 but then I went back after some years and read the later ones and they were actually good
@@yoko3182 At least Iffy knew it wasn't The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe. But I was screaming like a madman at the screen when they tried to answer and didn't get it.
@@ArgonTheAware That's odd. They were getting long in the tooth and hard to read around book 11. I stopped reading the Incarnations of Immortality after book five, and his Juxtaposition series half way through book four, when they closed the tears in book three.
@@jackielinde7568 In the 16th book Demons Don't Dream they actually made a video game that was depicted in the book that was fun to play and it did get a lot more interesting with #20 Yon Ill Wind with the Demon's Xanth, Jupiter, Earth, Saturn and Fornax messing with the characters in devious games
God I saw that Piers Anthony's Xanth novel and was like AHHHH YEAH!! Those are my favorite books ugh I loved those, the comedy is so on point. It's delightful and full of way more heart than you'd expect from a book mostly made of puns.
Wait, Ify didn't deserve that bun-fu point, he didn't say "um, actually" so that point should he taken away from him
I thought that as well, but a rewatch shows that after he said bun-fu he followed it up with, "um, actually bun-fu". That is an accepted form of response in previous episodes.
I used to worry about folding sheets. Then I realized it's better to keep all the elements together, so I ball up the fitted and flat sheets and shove them into the pillowcase, then throw that on the shelf.
Um actually for the watchmen question Brennan should totally have gotten that point. Not only was he correct first but he said "Um actually" and Saltzman didn't.
True final score: Breannan-3, Iffy-5, Saltzman-4. Iffy wins.
Iffy didn't say um actually for bun-fu
Please note that for shiny questions, the um, actually rule is waived due to it being a non-standardized format.
Cool story bro what does that have to do with the none shiny questions?
@@rightousIke I was speaking to the initial comment.
Ooooh! Iffy Wadiwe didn't say "Um, Actually!" before he said "Bunn-fu"!
No one caught it!
Um actually, the fifth element song is singable by a human voice, disneydiva7 did it unedited. Maybe at the time it was considered to be impossible, but to say it is physically impossible is inaccurate.
Yes. I am low-key obsessed with this song and have watched many different performances of different singers attempting to sing it unassisted. Some are more successful than others. I do believe the song was written to be impossible to sing, but some people have committed themselves to learning how to sing it naturally (or maybe only one person).
To Um Actually your Um Actually: the first part of the song the Diva Sings; it is from an Aria in the Opera “Lucia Di Lammermor”, where the the main character is going mad. When the instrumentals pick up, that’s when it transitions to the “Unsingable” section. One of the biggest parts that makes it unsingable is because of more than octave jumps, and the crazy run in the middle of it.
Xanth is an entire series revolving around the question "How many unique puns can I cram into one series with like magic and stuff?" The answer is like over 40 books and a VERY strange RPG computer game worth of new puns, and hundreds of years of civilization in this realm. Anyone who considers themselves a lover of puns should at least check out the first couple books in the series.
Dragon on a Pedestal, a few in, is one of my favorite books. I, like Princess Ivy, also want the entire universe to just *be* the way I say it is. 😂
I only read one Xanth book, and the premise was that two Earth humans were playing the Xanth computer game which naturally led them into Xanth. I knew nothing about the series but had this weird feeling it was some like, meta novelization of an actual computer game based on earlier books. Still not sure if it was basically just another routine framing device for a novel or was weirder in how it tied in in some way. Maybe kid me just really wished there was a computer game that would let me enter Xanth haha.
I'm glad Salzman called out the PierXanthony pun haha, I vaguely recollect Xanth coming up on the show one other time and them ALMOST figuring that out but not quite seeing it.
The fact that not one of them recognized Kushiel's Dart tells me they are all pure vanilla and that someone on the writing team might not be
Let them get a Kushiel series on HBO Max and people will lose their damn minds!
@@joshuastearns5894 I would watch the HELL out of that!