West Pierce Fire and Rescue's Training Captain Gary Mcvay tries out the new Element fire extinguisher for the Pacific Northwest 4-Wheel Drive Association.
Yes it sort of looks like the fire for the regular Extinguisher test was perhaps a mix of diesel (or other heavier fuel or oil) and gasoline while the one for the Element Fire Extinguisher looked like pure gasoline and more or less burned itself out on it's own more than being extinguished 🤔
Based on this video I'll stick with the conventional type fire extinguisher. From what I saw of the element extinguisher the agent is readily dispersed by any wind requiring the operator to get very close to the fire to put it out. The conventional extinguisher handled it faster and from a greater distance.
The fire was almost out by the time you finally hit it with the stick 🤷 I've watched a lot of videos where the stick failed to make much difference to the fire. I would certainly recommend extended tests with those fire sticks, before recommending them.
this is perfect for motorcycles i ride all the time just last month a guy went down and his bike cought flames with i knew about this i woulda hade it on me
I’ve seen a couple other demo videos of this, and without wind present, it was just as quick as a small dry chem ABC extinguisher. This video showed an obvious flaw, because the Element extinguishing agent is essentially a gas, wind is capable of blowing away the gas. The captain had to lean over the flammable liquid, which nobody should ever do, even a firefighter wearing full PPE. All that being said, the small Element has 50 seconds of extinguishing agent discharge time, compared to about 15 seconds for a dry chem. 50 seconds is more than enough time to overcome a light wind. With heavy winds, it’s hard to put out anything, even with a fire hose. I literally just learned about this extinguisher about 30 minutes ago. I’m buying 4 of them today, for all the cars at home. I’m a retired firefighter, and I’m a pain in the ass pragmatic sceptic for anything new. Prove it to me, and after my initial resistance to change, I’m an advocate.
I’m also a retired Firefighter. I’m in the same boat as you. I’d like to see more. I sure didn’t like to see him sticking his head over the area to get closer. Too many situations played in my head that wouldn’t have been good. I’ll keep watching this product tho. We’ll see.
You know what ran through my mind as a retired personal trainer? He is in serious serious need of stretching. His posterior chain is so tight he cannot even bend over without putting his hand on his knee and shifting his center of mass. His body will fail him eventually and soon, mid action, and that's dangerous as a firefighter.
Wind is the killer here. Inside a house fire, I imagine this could be used as a sort of anti-fire smoke grenade, to improve the pathway for anyone trapped
hey,just watched another review and it came out with MUCH more force, you may want to look into that a little more,or maybe it was really windy or something when you did it?
Inside a home, inside a garage, and inside a vehicle is where this thing shines. Nothing is perfect for EVERY situation, but this is an easy answer to store in the car (glove box) and isn’t impacted by high heat as you’ll have inside a car on a hot summer day. The ease of storage is key. Like carrying a firearm, it’s only good if you have it with you. I’ll be picking up a few to keep in the cars and at home.
I hope you came to your senses. This thing is worthless in a car, in a home, or in a garage. This thing will not work. If you have a fire in your car (likely gas or oil) this thing will not work. If you have an electric fire in your home, this thing will not work. You can get a Kiddie brand fire extinguisher from Walmart for $20-40 and it will work in all of those situations. And this demonstration was terrible because the fire was basically out before he even hit the plate with it. Everybody wants to be fancy but being fancy is going to get your house burned down or even worse get someone killed.
@@TomoHawKzZ And there's multiple videos of this thing failing horrifically in all types of situations, I've seen plenty an off-road vehicle burnt to a crisp because they wanted to be fancy instead of just buying a much cheaper actually reliable fire extinguisher. It's easy to put out a controlled fire, which most of the time this thing fails to do anyway, but it's much harder to get it right when you're actually standing in front of your shit that's burning down. It doesn't cover a wide area you gotta get your hand and face right next to the burning item and it's just all around a bad idea. 5lb fire extinguisher with a vehicle mount cost just as much most of the time much cheaper than 1 element stick. And it's by far more effective.
You're in luck as I found someone doing that, a grease fire. I can save you the time though: it doesn't work. Nor on wood apparently? vid id is dCaPUYKs5Zc so copy paste that
@@dgSolidarity that was in wind. The concept is more for confined spaces and not so much outside. For your car it’s perfect but I’d still keep a regular fire extinguisher around just in case.
@@HNemo880 Unfortunately you are wrong, in the sense that they do not market it with any mention of such a limitation. Several neighbours got roped in easily with they way they're advertised, were going to order a bunch together, all I had to say was 'just want to check people have researched it meets your use case, don't trust any single source of information' with a couple links and they all changed their mind.
Not so great outdoors, but I think inside a house or cramped room, the Element will put out a fire without choking you and covering the entire place with white dust that can take days to clean.
Anyone who wants to be really serious about clean, instant, and safe fire suppression should look into Halon/Halotron. It's expensive, but works better than anything else, completely evaporates with no residue, and is lighter to carry than equivalent CO2 or dry extinguisher. It's like having a delete button for fire, and without any of the mess.
Halon has a asphyxiation, frost bite and other environmental concerns. It's also has a higher pressure that can splatter or spead liquid fires. We removed all of ours. You'll have that one employee who thinks it's a fire drill and hang out till the system actually fires off. They get stuck in the halon spray. Ive had people lock themselves in closets hiding so they didn't have to leave the building cause the phone call they were on was more important. Yes they were disciplined....lol.
If you watch the slow mo you see it actually neutralizes the large flame quite quickly from a distance. The smokey discharge from element isnt as impressive looking but it did the job. He only had to get closer to finish off the small flames.
What wasn’t noted I this demo was the length of time the Element extinguisher ran which is at least twice the time of the conventional one which is a Hugh plus. Also the Element is much easier to store and lighter to carry.
Thanks for the test. So for a vehicle, what's better, a 2.5-lb squeeze ext or an E50/E100? Or is a 4-5lb squeeze ext the best? The only downsides of the element I see are once it's going you can't stop it until it runs out, and you have to get closer to the fire/heat than the traditional pressurized extinguisher.
@@iain3668 ...right, then after you throw the E50/100 into that enclosed space, you lose all physical control of the extinguisher, but it still can't be shut off once it has been started. You get one shot and can't aim (more or less) the material or control the flow/distribution of the material. You light it, you aim it and get it close, then it just goes until it has exhausted itself; all hoping the fire has been put out. The good side is there is no residue left.
These "burning stick" things from Europe have been around for years, but the only place you see them being used is in demonstration videos, never in the real world because their performance is weak except on small controlled fires, and you have to get dangerously close to use them. NFPA extinguisher standards have been around for 100 years for a reason, they know what works and what's safe to use. Get a quality UL-rated extinguisher that will function on a windy day and put out a decent sized fire. A 5 lb dry chem unit will also come with a hose which can be useful for an electrical fire under the dash, for example. A fire extinguisher can be like a parachute, you may only get one chance so don't scrimp.
@@retiredfedleo6441 Good advice. I'll stick with a good quality UL approved / Coast Guard approved pressurised fire extinguisher with a known rating(s). For class A fires I prefer a standard 2.5 Gal water type extinguisher. I can stand 40-50 feet away from the burning material and put enough water on to put out a moderately sized fire. For B or C fires a good dry chem is an excellent all around choice.
On the flip side, most people don’t carry fire extinguishers in their car because of their weight and size. If the alternative to the Element is not having anything, then the Element is perfect.
Yeah but this really shouldn't be a comparison between the Fizzle Stick and a 5 lb bottle, it should be a comparison between the fire stopping ability of the Fizzle Stick vs the fire stopping ability of a 16oz Venti latte, because if you're out and about that is going to be about the extent of you fire fighting capability without something like this.
The huge weight savings make the new idea ideal for aircraft! Instead of carrying a heavy pressure vessel this thing has a chemical gas generator. They should make block units to toss into fire.
It is better to have any suitable fire extinguisher than nothing. Giving its compact size and being maintenance free it would likely be much easier have with you in a car, truck and even motorcycle. Much better than the contents of your bladder.
I must be seeing something different from these firemen on here. It seemed as though the flames died down in intensity as soon as the E50 was ignited, despite the white smoky element not getting directly on it. Now, I agree that you shouldn't bend over into the flames and that a traditional fire extinguisher is better for fighting in the wind and from a distance. But, that being said, maybe these find their place when you get into a crash or stuck in a structure with the fire. Its easier to wield in confined spaces with a much longer discharge time. Especially if you get an E100 (100 second discharge). I'm thinking there is an ass for every seat, and I'd rather have one of these inside my car with me to deal with a fire after an accident than just have a 10 second discharge traditional fire extinguisher. I may be wrong though. I am not affiliated with any fire fighting industry anything.
Or you could spend $40-$50 less and buy an extinguisher you know is going to work. (Also that fired died down before the element even touched it, you can see the fire blowing off before the smoke even gets down to the fire and then it pools in the plate, and it still took twice as long for the Captain to put it out. He put out both fires in half the time it took the element to put out 1 (half) a fire.
I can’t see how they can say this thing has a Class K rating with respect to how much heat a cooking media will hold even after extinguishment. If you don’t apply a wet chemical agent to blanket the hot oil, the vapors will just keep reflashing as demonstrated in a TH-cam video where a firefighter shows using a regular BC dry chemical extinguisher on a class K fire. This gas will just disperse and the fire will reflash after this is spent. I wouldn’t even rely on it in my home kitchen.
I would expect the forest service from a state _EXTREMELY_ prone to wildfires and _EXTREMELY_ critical and targeting of the 4x4 community to suggest drivers to use the better of the two options, not suggest the "sorta good enough" option
Might be okay it doesn’t expire I might keep one in my bunker pants it could be used as a last ditch effort in an emergency but I’d have to be having one shitty day to need one of those
The fuel was already mostly burned up when you start magically waving the stick over the fire .... I do not take this action seriously. It was good slapstick though.
If you pay attention at the 3minute mark he states "this is in no way an endorsement". And where is a taped over insignia? Do you go through your entire life bouncing off walls or just on the internet?
@@nytwns13 no it isnt. It says "West Pierce" on the top, his velcro area doesnt have an assigned unit since he wasnt assigned one at the time, and the bottom says "Captain". There is no tape.
As soon as he strikes the Element turn your eyes to the fire pan. Just being downwind of the Element the fire is immediately knocked down dramatically. Then he goes in closer to do the cleanup.
That E50's kind of poopy, while effective the dry chem extinguisher will kill anything electrical in the engine bay. I have a Halon extinguisher in my car that I was thinking about retiring. They're expensive, but I'd rather pay three times more for Halon, which works ten times better than both.
The Element Stick is only effective at the very beginning of a small fire. An engine electrical fire, small grease or trash can fire. Once the fire grows larger, it’s not going to do enough for you.
I was set and spending the extra money and buying element fire extensions for my cars, but after watching TH-cam videos, they perform very disappointing. They’re easily blown by the wind and it looks like you have to get your arm into the fire to help put it out I’d rather be standing back a little further.
No way in hell I'd use the Element - yeah let me just get a foot away and stick my arm out to a hot burning engine o vehicle out on a trail - I'm sure that'll work out well.
I like it but honestly the ignition sequence is too complicated for the average person which is a moron typically. They should integrate a pull tab or draw string that will pull the igniter across the top. Remember that in a panicky situation people lose all their calm and sense. No one should need to read any instructions in an emergency situation to know what to do.
@@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Unfortunately others may die because someone couldn't figure out how to use the extinguisher when the fire was still very small.
A hyperbolic statement with no factual basis. Totally useless comment. Why is it ridiculous and garbage? I saw it knock down the flames as soon as it was lit just from being up wind of the fire. I'm not expecting a reply. Someone that would make a comment like that is not generally the type that that take the time or would care to reply. I replied for others that might be influenced by the hyperbolic statement.
Had to get too close to the fire - no good. Could not stop the continuous operation as with the bigger one. This means - Hurry up and use it or it will be wasted. Too bad if you spot a flame later on, when canister is empty. Traditional one - Use as much as you need then wait. Use again and again. I'm sticking to the tried and true. Italy should stick to designing pretty but useless Bugattis.
If you are really a fire captain, you should be ashamed of yourself! That fire was already dying! Why would you promote a fire safety product that doesn't work? They must have paid you. smh
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I want to see more demonstrations. This is no more complicated with steps to deploy than a traditional fire extinguisher with the P.A.S.S. acronym. Yes these seem more portable however you still need to take it out of the box and look how close you need to get to the fire! That’s a safety hazard if I ever saw one. That’s a no from this humble individual. 👎🏼
A fire extinguisher that you have to stand on top of the fire to put it out is a very dangerous extinguisher. Shame on you, you should know better as a fireman.
Is it me, or did the pan mostly burn itself out of fuel as he was bringing the Element into action?
Yes. The fuel was burning off rather quickly. Don't think the stick did much of anything.
Simple the fire just put itself out out of fear of the Element....😅
Yes it sort of looks like the fire for the regular Extinguisher test was perhaps a mix of diesel (or other heavier fuel or oil) and gasoline while the one for the Element Fire Extinguisher looked like pure gasoline and more or less burned itself out on it's own more than being extinguished 🤔
Yes
These don't do a shit
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I saw Element tested elsewhere, and it was essentially useless. Not to mention massively overpriced.
Based on this video I'll stick with the conventional type fire extinguisher. From what I saw of the element extinguisher the agent is readily dispersed by any wind requiring the operator to get very close to the fire to put it out. The conventional extinguisher handled it faster and from a greater distance.
yes I agree
You can throw it into the fire too when there is concentrated fires. No need to get close on those cases.
Agree
Good choice
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The fire was almost out by the time you finally hit it with the stick 🤷
I've watched a lot of videos where the stick failed to make much difference to the fire.
I would certainly recommend extended tests with those fire sticks, before recommending them.
So you need to be nearly right on top of that small fire to put it out? No thanks
I bet its perfect for close quarters. Inside a vehicle or trapped in a small room. I dig it
this is perfect for motorcycles i ride all the time just last month a guy went down and his bike cought flames with i knew about this i woulda hade it on me
You forgot to watch the part where he said "there are pros and cons to both"
It's crap extinguisher to be fair... with real fire you're cooked 100%. It's for putting out candles maybe?
And that fire was about out when he ignited that extinguisher 😂
That stick one is amazing….if you want to get so close to the fire that you pass out and die from smoke inhalation
Thanks for the great comparison test. But you know the only reason I really trust you is the fantastic mustache!
I’ve seen a couple other demo videos of this, and without wind present, it was just as quick as a small dry chem ABC extinguisher.
This video showed an obvious flaw, because the Element extinguishing agent is essentially a gas, wind is capable of blowing away the gas.
The captain had to lean over the flammable liquid, which nobody should ever do, even a firefighter wearing full PPE.
All that being said, the small Element has 50 seconds of extinguishing agent discharge time, compared to about 15 seconds for a dry chem. 50 seconds is more than enough time to overcome a light wind.
With heavy winds, it’s hard to put out anything, even with a fire hose.
I literally just learned about this extinguisher about 30 minutes ago. I’m buying 4 of them today, for all the cars at home.
I’m a retired firefighter, and I’m a pain in the ass pragmatic sceptic for anything new. Prove it to me, and after my initial resistance to change, I’m an advocate.
I’m also a retired Firefighter. I’m in the same boat as you. I’d like to see more. I sure didn’t like to see him sticking his head over the area to get closer. Too many situations played in my head that wouldn’t have been good. I’ll keep watching this product tho. We’ll see.
You know what ran through my mind as a retired personal trainer? He is in serious serious need of stretching. His posterior chain is so tight he cannot even bend over without putting his hand on his knee and shifting his center of mass. His body will fail him eventually and soon, mid action, and that's dangerous as a firefighter.
Better off with halon or halotron
Cope
@@P25AES Halon was banned some time ago and is no longer available
Looks like you gotta get ALOT closer to the fire with that second 🔥 extinguisher!
Wind is the killer here. Inside a house fire, I imagine this could be used as a sort of anti-fire smoke grenade, to improve the pathway for anyone trapped
Is the element hot burning? I think it’s great for engine or just starting car fires 🤔
great video!
Saw all I needed to see
hey,just watched another review and it came out with MUCH more force, you may want to look into that a little more,or maybe it was really windy or something when you did it?
thanks for the demo, i will stick to regular fire extinguisher
Inside a home, inside a garage, and inside a vehicle is where this thing shines. Nothing is perfect for EVERY situation, but this is an easy answer to store in the car (glove box) and isn’t impacted by high heat as you’ll have inside a car on a hot summer day. The ease of storage is key. Like carrying a firearm, it’s only good if you have it with you. I’ll be picking up a few to keep in the cars and at home.
I hope you came to your senses. This thing is worthless in a car, in a home, or in a garage. This thing will not work. If you have a fire in your car (likely gas or oil) this thing will not work. If you have an electric fire in your home, this thing will not work. You can get a Kiddie brand fire extinguisher from Walmart for $20-40 and it will work in all of those situations. And this demonstration was terrible because the fire was basically out before he even hit the plate with it. Everybody wants to be fancy but being fancy is going to get your house burned down or even worse get someone killed.
@@Apollo55_ there are multiple videos of these fire sticks putting out oil/fuel fires quite easily.... they'd be perfect for the garage/in the car.
@@TomoHawKzZ And there's multiple videos of this thing failing horrifically in all types of situations, I've seen plenty an off-road vehicle burnt to a crisp because they wanted to be fancy instead of just buying a much cheaper actually reliable fire extinguisher. It's easy to put out a controlled fire, which most of the time this thing fails to do anyway, but it's much harder to get it right when you're actually standing in front of your shit that's burning down. It doesn't cover a wide area you gotta get your hand and face right next to the burning item and it's just all around a bad idea. 5lb fire extinguisher with a vehicle mount cost just as much most of the time much cheaper than 1 element stick. And it's by far more effective.
@Apollo55_ i agree, i wouldn't mind have one on the motorcycle but for anything bigger a fire extinguisher seems more useful
@@TomoHawKzZ th-cam.com/video/dCaPUYKs5Zc/w-d-xo.html
Not as effective as a traditional FE especially in windy situations.
This is probably only effective in confined spaces on really small fires
helpful thank you
It would be good to see this demo on a grease fire or electrical fire for comparison.
You're in luck as I found someone doing that, a grease fire. I can save you the time though: it doesn't work. Nor on wood apparently? vid id is dCaPUYKs5Zc
so copy paste that
@@dgSolidarity that was in wind. The concept is more for confined spaces and not so much outside. For your car it’s perfect but I’d still keep a regular fire extinguisher around just in case.
@@HNemo880 Unfortunately you are wrong, in the sense that they do not market it with any mention of such a limitation.
Several neighbours got roped in easily with they way they're advertised, were going to order a bunch together, all I had to say was 'just want to check people have researched it meets your use case, don't trust any single source of information' with a couple links and they all changed their mind.
Not so great outdoors, but I think inside a house or cramped room, the Element will put out a fire without choking you and covering the entire place with white dust that can take days to clean.
That's what clean agent is for
Anyone who wants to be really serious about clean, instant, and safe fire suppression should look into Halon/Halotron. It's expensive, but works better than anything else, completely evaporates with no residue, and is lighter to carry than equivalent CO2 or dry extinguisher.
It's like having a delete button for fire, and without any of the mess.
We use Halon fire extinguishers at work but the company is getting rid of them. Don't know why, I fought 2 chemical fires with it. They worked great.
Halon has a asphyxiation, frost bite and other environmental concerns. It's also has a higher pressure that can splatter or spead liquid fires. We removed all of ours. You'll have that one employee who thinks it's a fire drill and hang out till the system actually fires off. They get stuck in the halon spray. Ive had people lock themselves in closets hiding so they didn't have to leave the building cause the phone call they were on was more important. Yes they were disciplined....lol.
@@adrpals2324 Halon was banned because it is bad for the environment. Apparently causing pesky holes in the ozone layer..
Halon was used in the movie terminator 2 in the scene where Arnold blows a hole in a computer factory wall
Halon is banned here in the uk except certain risk fires.
I drive by this place all the time in Lakewood, so weird stumbling upon this test after seeing Element in a vinwiki video.
If you watch the slow mo you see it actually neutralizes the large flame quite quickly from a distance. The smokey discharge from element isnt as impressive looking but it did the job. He only had to get closer to finish off the small flames.
I have my doubts about that. Looks like the fire burnt itself out in a few places before he started.
Kayak uprising, totally agree. You can see that the fire got blown out for almost 50% just before he even came close to the fire
Would be good for camping out of a backpack, a bug out bag, on a motorcycle.
It seems like a useful method to put out a small fire. The problem is that it is not easy to activate it.
Just like trowing $80 into the fire.
What wasn’t noted I this demo was the length of time the Element extinguisher ran which is at least twice the time of the conventional one which is a Hugh plus. Also the Element is much easier to store and lighter to carry.
The conventional fire extinguisher didn't need to run as long to put out the fires.
So what gases are produced and is it safe in an enclosed space like a small room or office?
The element is safe for confined spaces per their website description.
Great
So, let me get this straight. You light it away from you? JK. Great video. My hat is off to this gentleman.👍
Thanks for the test. So for a vehicle, what's better, a 2.5-lb squeeze ext or an E50/E100? Or is a 4-5lb squeeze ext the best? The only downsides of the element I see are once it's going you can't stop it until it runs out, and you have to get closer to the fire/heat than the traditional pressurized extinguisher.
But the element you can light and Chuck if in a contained space
No need to get close
@@iain3668 ...right, then after you throw the E50/100 into that enclosed space, you lose all physical control of the extinguisher, but it still can't be shut off once it has been started. You get one shot and can't aim (more or less) the material or control the flow/distribution of the material. You light it, you aim it and get it close, then it just goes until it has exhausted itself; all hoping the fire has been put out. The good side is there is no residue left.
@@K03sport true
These "burning stick" things from Europe have been around for years, but the only place you see them being used is in demonstration videos, never in the real world because their performance is weak except on small controlled fires, and you have to get dangerously close to use them. NFPA extinguisher standards have been around for 100 years for a reason, they know what works and what's safe to use. Get a quality UL-rated extinguisher that will function on a windy day and put out a decent sized fire. A 5 lb dry chem unit will also come with a hose which can be useful for an electrical fire under the dash, for example. A fire extinguisher can be like a parachute, you may only get one chance so don't scrimp.
@@retiredfedleo6441 Good advice. I'll stick with a good quality UL approved / Coast Guard approved pressurised fire extinguisher with a known rating(s). For class A fires I prefer a standard 2.5 Gal water type extinguisher. I can stand 40-50 feet away from the burning material and put enough water on to put out a moderately sized fire. For B or C fires a good dry chem is an excellent all around choice.
I like how the captain didn’t even extinguish the fire all the way 2:05
It is may be because it ran out, that size, they only last like 15-20 secs.
job security
Nope. Requires proximity to the fire putting the individual in greater danger. Thanks for the video!
On the flip side, most people don’t carry fire extinguishers in their car because of their weight and size. If the alternative to the Element is not having anything, then the Element is perfect.
Yeah but this really shouldn't be a comparison between the Fizzle Stick and a 5 lb bottle, it should be a comparison between the fire stopping ability of the Fizzle Stick vs the fire stopping ability of a 16oz Venti latte, because if you're out and about that is going to be about the extent of you fire fighting capability without something like this.
Only benefit I see I throw the stick in the fire while the fire extinguisher does the work😂
I feel like you need a holder to extend it's reach, neet idea but I don't know about thr application.
The huge weight savings make the new idea ideal for aircraft! Instead of carrying a heavy pressure vessel this thing has a chemical gas generator.
They should make block units to toss into fire.
No wonder they don't have any videos around while they sell em
Wow, that went over like a wet balloon soaked in gasoline..
Hot air rises… I doubt this would be effective for any fire of significant size but for a grease fire in you kitchen I could it being helpful
He needs to get. Closer
Bro that shit went out on its own. Even without you waving the stupid fog stick.
it clearly put out the rest of the fire, you just want to hate it
ya the regular extinguisher for me. fire was almost out.
It is better to have any suitable fire extinguisher than nothing. Giving its compact size and being maintenance free it would likely be much easier have with you in a car, truck and even motorcycle. Much better than the contents of your bladder.
Damn for $80 that was pretty wimpy also notice how close he had to get
Was the designer Vito Gambolini the chef out of Grimaldi who cooked meatballs over bon fires while dancing the Tarantella ........?
If you lit about 4 of these at once they might be effective
What the hell happened? Sounded like a gun shot went off and then the fire died down?
Poor test the fire stick tray was pretty much out after it buckled and even then you had to get closer to the source than the fire extinguisher
And the traditional extinguisher needs to be closer than a fire hose... different tools for different fires dumdum
I'm the one who would have tossed the cap of the Element extinguisher in a panic, before it ignited... :( We have one of each type in each vehicle.
I think this is good for motorcycle or atv
This guys bunker gear is way to clean
I must be seeing something different from these firemen on here. It seemed as though the flames died down in intensity as soon as the E50 was ignited, despite the white smoky element not getting directly on it. Now, I agree that you shouldn't bend over into the flames and that a traditional fire extinguisher is better for fighting in the wind and from a distance. But, that being said, maybe these find their place when you get into a crash or stuck in a structure with the fire. Its easier to wield in confined spaces with a much longer discharge time. Especially if you get an E100 (100 second discharge). I'm thinking there is an ass for every seat, and I'd rather have one of these inside my car with me to deal with a fire after an accident than just have a 10 second discharge traditional fire extinguisher. I may be wrong though. I am not affiliated with any fire fighting industry anything.
Or you could spend $40-$50 less and buy an extinguisher you know is going to work.
(Also that fired died down before the element even touched it, you can see the fire blowing off before the smoke even gets down to the fire and then it pools in the plate, and it still took twice as long for the Captain to put it out. He put out both fires in half the time it took the element to put out 1 (half) a fire.
I can’t see how they can say this thing has a Class K rating with respect to how much heat a cooking media will hold even after extinguishment. If you don’t apply a wet chemical agent to blanket the hot oil, the vapors will just keep reflashing as demonstrated in a TH-cam video where a firefighter shows using a regular BC dry chemical extinguisher on a class K fire. This gas will just disperse and the fire will reflash after this is spent. I wouldn’t even rely on it in my home kitchen.
And yet it has the rating. Could it be maybe you just don't know as much as you think you do?
Also the traditional extinguisher needs annual servicing...the new one does not. Plus leaves no residue and lasts much longer.
It also does not put out fires.
@@TripleWhopperWithCheese I don't know about that....
So an extinguisher 4x the size is better
I feel like it's handy for small fires but still dosent compete with the traditional system on medium sized fires.
Wow imagine that, different products being better or worse depending on the situation! Amazing!
I would expect the forest service from a state _EXTREMELY_ prone to wildfires and _EXTREMELY_ critical and targeting of the 4x4 community to suggest drivers to use the better of the two options, not suggest the "sorta good enough" option
Might be okay it doesn’t expire I might keep one in my bunker pants it could be used as a last ditch effort in an emergency but I’d have to be having one shitty day to need one of those
Yes, they don't expire or lose pressure like most extinguishers do.
The fuel was already mostly burned up when you start magically waving the stick over the fire .... I do not take this action seriously. It was good slapstick though.
He could have stomped the fire out with better results than the ELEMENT produced.
Has no one here seen green fire suppressors?
80 bux for one use 🧐
Same as a traditional fire extinguisher then. Refilling one cost nearly as a new extinguisher. And it needs maintenance and inspections.
So is this an official endorsement by the West Pierce Fire and Rescue? Or is that why he taped over his helmet insignia?
If you pay attention at the 3minute mark he states "this is in no way an endorsement". And where is a taped over insignia? Do you go through your entire life bouncing off walls or just on the internet?
Bro. His helmet shield is taped over… how dense are you? 😂
@@nytwns13 whatever that all means. Clearly a tool.
@@nytwns13 no it isnt. It says "West Pierce" on the top, his velcro area doesnt have an assigned unit since he wasnt assigned one at the time, and the bottom says "Captain". There is no tape.
@@dougfritts880you are soo mad. Maybe you should deploy an E50 to cool your nuts, son. 🤙🏻
I'm not Sold. Who would want to get that close when putting a Fire out? That Extinguisher looks like it's just barely doing anything.
As soon as he strikes the Element turn your eyes to the fire pan. Just being downwind of the Element the fire is immediately knocked down dramatically. Then he goes in closer to do the cleanup.
@@ToddKing way to cope. The fire is putting itself out because it's running out of fuel.
Yeah no thanks 🙏 I’ll stick to traditional ones, wish they still made the co2 ones heh heh
That E50's kind of poopy, while effective the dry chem extinguisher will kill anything electrical in the engine bay. I have a Halon extinguisher in my car that I was thinking about retiring. They're expensive, but I'd rather pay three times more for Halon, which works ten times better than both.
The Element Stick is only effective at the very beginning of a small fire. An engine electrical fire, small grease or trash can fire. Once the fire grows larger, it’s not going to do enough for you.
Seems much weaker. Notice how close you need to get for the Element extinguisher to work. Not a good piece of gear and nothing I would consider using.
I was set and spending the extra money and buying element fire extensions for my cars, but after watching TH-cam videos, they perform very disappointing. They’re easily blown by the wind and it looks like you have to get your arm into the fire to help put it out I’d rather be standing back a little further.
Imagine getting that close to a fire? lol
It's a NO vote for me, while it might burn longer, the engagement distance is far too close, nor is the volume of discharge nearly equivalent.
@@oldgrunt5569 interesting
Hey lets try and put out this fire with a smoke bomb and wonder why everything burned to the ground
So you pretty much have to stick your face in the fire with this new fire extinguisher!!🤣🤣 I'll stick with the old school!!
OMG THIS guy drones on and on and on speaking slowly, saying it three times. Just get to it !!!!!
No way in hell I'd use the Element - yeah let me just get a foot away and stick my arm out to a hot burning engine o vehicle out on a trail - I'm sure that'll work out well.
Jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack better light your element stick when you jump over the candle stick
Clearly surprised and disappointed that the element sux so had no ending
Hard Fail. It might serve better as a distress signaling smoke flare, as an extinguisher it is nearly useless.
That’s a waste of $80 and six minutes of my life
How so?
I wouldn’t want to lean that close standing over a fire !!!
I would just keep a cheaper standard fire extinguisher in my house
Six minutes you wasted? 😂😂😂 What kinda newb watches the entire vid... Just scrub through to the important parts.
Imagine learning something that saves you money and calling it a waste of time.
Oh come on, you could fart and blow out that lame pan fire. Simulate a petrol car engine fire or something like that.
It’s just a demonstration on how to use, not what it’s capable of.
@@mikez9492 So it's a failed product they can't even demonstrate working properly? Thanks.
@@davenz000 Yes. If you watch the beginning, it’s a firefighter (not a company representative) showing how it works. And it really doesn’t.
That look like a terrible fire extinguisher. You have to pretty much jump into the fire.
Lol try using this on a house fire yea nope
I like it but honestly the ignition sequence is too complicated for the average person which is a moron typically. They should integrate a pull tab or draw string that will pull the igniter across the top. Remember that in a panicky situation people lose all their calm and sense. No one should need to read any instructions in an emergency situation to know what to do.
True, but most people can't figure out a traditional fire extinguisher either.
@@bobd. Well that's just natural selection at work after that
@@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Unfortunately others may die because someone couldn't figure out how to use the extinguisher when the fire was still very small.
@@WitchidWitchid Luckily fire deaths are incredibly rare in relation to other ways of dying
Lighting a match is too difficult for people? A 6 year old could probably work either of these, except the normal one may be too heavy.
Lol how is this even allowed to be called a fire extinguisher
The most ridiculous product ever. Total garbage.
A hyperbolic statement with no factual basis. Totally useless comment. Why is it ridiculous and garbage? I saw it knock down the flames as soon as it was lit just from being up wind of the fire. I'm not expecting a reply. Someone that would make a comment like that is not generally the type that that take the time or would care to reply. I replied for others that might be influenced by the hyperbolic statement.
@@ToddKing here’s your cookie 🍪
@@ToddKing todd is just coping
@@cmanleyspy Another totally useless comment. At least you're consistent.
@@cyf-jc4fb Thanks. We're all coping some of it just do it better than others.
Had to get too close to the fire - no good.
Could not stop the continuous operation as with the bigger one. This means - Hurry up and use it or it will be wasted. Too bad if you spot a flame later on, when canister is empty. Traditional one - Use as much as you need then wait. Use again and again.
I'm sticking to the tried and true. Italy should stick to designing pretty but useless Bugattis.
Looks like a Amazon/eBay type of product not very effective
Yeah.. this doesn't work
Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!! It didnt work.
weak sauce
Thanks for that, the element extinguisher was pathetic
If you are really a fire captain, you should be ashamed of yourself! That fire was already dying! Why would you promote a fire safety product that doesn't work? They must have paid you. smh
pitiful little stick
I'm not impressed with the Elements. Not as effective as traditonal.
That fire was already almost out, before you even approached it with that crap of a "fire extinguisher"!
I think the Captain puts fires to sleep with his soporific voice.
Dude that fire was basically out already. Those things are trash just watch some other non sponsored videos.
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I want to see more demonstrations. This is no more complicated with steps to deploy than a traditional fire extinguisher with the P.A.S.S. acronym. Yes these seem more portable however you still need to take it out of the box and look how close you need to get to the fire! That’s a safety hazard if I ever saw one. That’s a no from this humble individual. 👎🏼
A fire extinguisher that you have to stand on top of the fire to put it out is a very dangerous extinguisher. Shame on you, you should know better as a fireman.
He isn't claiming its a good extinguisher. The only purpose of this video was to show a comparison between the two types.
this has to be the biggest fraudulent video endorsement by a Captain no less, that fire was out of fuel by the time he tried to put it out.