The SL-1200/1210GR is not badly priced compared to what some others cost TODAY at TODAYS RATE of inflation. Because of the resurgence in vinyl, used SL-1200’s could be had for about $300. Not any more.Good luck with that! If you do find one at those prices they have most likely been schlepped back and forth to clubs and have physical signs of abuse. I just bought the 1210GR to replace my 1210mk2. Night and day difference in the sound...using the exact same cartridge. I sold my mint condition 1210mk2 with an Ortofon bronze cartridge to a friend for the steal of $550. He jumped on it! (He got a deal...it was MINT!). The prices on good used technics have gone up quite a bit in the past few years. If you find a great condition one reasonably priced, buy it! Otherwise, whip out your credit card and plunk down $1700 for the 1210GR...but you won’t be disappointed.
Technics is back! Love that classic model. My SL-D2 is still in perfect working conditions after 38 years. It costed me $250.00 back in 1980. So... prices are relatively standards according time. Let see how long this model will last.
B & H is now selling these. They have them in stock. Considering free shipping and possibly no tax, it could be a really good deal, especially using a cash back credit card. I've been contemplating buying one of these since they were announced. I like the adjustable tonearm height feature, direct drive, s-shaped tonearm, adjustable feet, and removeable headshell. I also like that Ortofon has 2M series cartridges integrated with a headshell that provides for proper cartridge alignment with this turntable without fuss. At any rate, looking at pretty much every turntable out there for the last 2 years, as an upgrade from my 43 year old Sony PS-4750, it seems to me the SL-1200GR is awesome for the money.
This must rate as another great TT package from Technics, the arm is pretty dam good in spite of what many have written and now the GR has many of the G updates within so must be considered a bargain . The G is a wonderful sounding deck and has ease of use to die for so to have the GR at roughly half the price and most of the performance is good fortune for all who have the wit to consider it.
Derek Woolston Derek, amongst the many happy users of the G in the U.K., what would you 1)think about the image perspective, soundstaging afforded by the G when compared to your superb Orbe? 2)some parity on the arm that Technics has made for your G? Thank you... Would like to hear frank opinions from you, a real G AND ORBE,Linn,Thorens,etc user!!!!! Your 40 years of experience please to help us.🖐😄🖑
It was with some surprise that I found myself preferring the sound of the Technics SL1200G/AT33EV to my Orbe /SME309/AT33PGTMK2 . The soundstage and imaging certainly differs from the Orbe, it took me awhile to realise that the T deck produces a more realistic view of the venue , studio, jazz club or concert hall, be it more distant or to the fore. The Orbe initially seems more impressive but on reflection one comes to realise it is the TG that is producing a true perspective of the recording. I bought the TG for ease of use, to easily play my old 45s etc but although the arm is much maligned by many I in no way consider it to be less than a very good arm to compliment what is a fine sounding package for the money. One could easily pay much more and not find the satisfaction of ownership, ease of use and wonderful sound.
the loss of the brass submat takes 1/8" away from platter thickness. Would be nice to see a return of 1/4" mat RGS0010A. There could be trouble setting arm height with short cartridges.
Alot of this is due to the Shure M44-7 cartridge I think, ortofon makes all these crazy carts that cost twice as much but since most DJs are using DVS now the Shure cart outshines them. Hell even the famous DJ Qbert uses the Shure rather than the one Ortofon makes with his name on them.
even if it's not the same as the old 1200, why would being the same as the old one be a bad thing? look at what people are willing to pay for a used 1200 in pristine condition. looking at what people are willing to pay for a new old stock 1200. it was and is a phenomenal turntable. Technics could do themselves a lot more favors by saying "this is very similar to the original 1200 Mk2" rather than by saying "oh this is so much better" or "so much different"
And that's great if it's true (the audio specs are identical so it may be hard to quantify those substantial improvements in scientific terms). But I don't think there's any harm in acknowledging that the 1200MK2 was, and is, an excellent table. Why else would people be spending $1999 for new old stock 1210MK5s? Conversely, I don't think it helps them sell 1200Gs by saying that they're dramatically better than 1200MK2s. Sure, highlight the improvements (which in my humble opinion are less than substantial), but they shouldn't disregard all the things about the 1200MK2 that make it great. If it was anything less than great, there wouldn't have been hundreds of thousands of people BEGGING Panasonic to bring it back.
I would agree that a huge motor improvement would be a substantial improvement to the turntable, but I'm not convinced that the motor improvement is huge. I'm not being stubborn or ornery; I just have yet to see or hear proof that the improvement to the motor is indeed huge. If someone can demonstrate that to me, I'm all ears!
The 1200 is back! I just think is too expensive they already have the good reputation and name and they using that in theirs favor to compete in this market. It is a great turntable. I'm so glad I got one 1200 for a $100 Great video!
Any chance of reviewing this new GR model Mike? These have come down in price a little now and you can pick them up for about £1k new which is not actually too bad considering the economics of everything else. I have a few Technics tables including an original mk1 1200 with a SME-3009 S2 Improved, I like the idea of being able to buy this new and knowing it doesn't require any attention.
Technics has sure made a huge comeback and their new stuff is very nice looking. Their speakers sure does look like Sony’s high-end line of speakers. IMO. I even see their stuff selling at some well known ultra high-end dealers that would for sure wouldn’t be caught dead selling anything that Technics made in the past.
Obviously you don't otherwise you'd do some research beforehand. RRP on these is £1,299 (that includes VAT at 20%), at todays exchange rate that is roughly $1,600 or $1,333 without VAT. These were $350 (without sales tax/VAT) in 1980 which equals $1,100 in 2017. The difference is negligible if you take into account that these reissues aren't continuing from where the old 1200's left off and have addressed issues that original 1200's never had fixed.
Focus, these aren't the same decks so why would they cost the same as the product that had been on the market for 30 years (and had been amortised 1000 times over by then) in 2008 FFS? I'm merely stating the obvious that all the crybabies ignore the fact that at launch 1200's had cost similar money, adjusted for inflation, as hey do now. The other fact is that you as usual are getting fucked by your retailers who profiteer on early demand.
Analog Planet have you listened to the rest of the Technics Reference system? I am thinking to hear the SB-R1 speakers. Would consider purchasing those for my listening room. It just seams that there isn't any good reviews of those speakers. Whats your outlook on the upcoming Technics SP10R? Have you seen the prototype yet? Did you dig out any inside info on it?
It's pretty funny how some people tell that these Technics are not made for djs, but better for audiophiles. Firstly , why a dj cannot be also an audiophile? And secondly, what the hell do an audiophile needs +-8 / +-16 range of pitch for? Maybe to listen to some kind of Mozzart's concert which needs that kind of pitch? It's ridiculous. This is just a kind of marketing strategy from Panasonic, because this kind of turntables with such kind of pitch range and velocity stability is for Djs, belive it or not (aware of their expensive price).
So do you think a +-16 range of pitch to accurate the speed of an older record which could be "up to" 2% of variation isn't an overkill, nice. I think that is pretty clear that a Dj could take much more of it that a person who keeps the pitch at cero the 98% of the time. I don't think it's a silly thought. After all it's an improved version of the 1200 mk2 and the 1210 mk5g. I'm talking about this particular model, not the GAE one.
The integrated amp is beautiful looking. Last year at Newport I found their gear a bit dry sounding and uninvolving. Have to give another try in LA in June.
Well those are still wonderful turntables but these new ones are redesigned and improved. Not a MASSIVE difference but the difference is present. Honestly though, for DJing just hold on to your MK2s. For audiophiles, this would be a step up. Now I know some people say these aren't audiophile turntables but honestly you can make these things sound incredible.
Great news! The W/F is the same as the G! and the rumble is not bad?! at 78dB!? That is not bad at all? What is the level for rumble on a audiofil turntable? I am thinking that it is hard to get a better speed stability and specs for $2000 on a "audiofil" turntable?? some of this new table: -Wow and Flutter: 0.025% W.R.M.S. -Rumble: 78dB (IEC 98A Weighted)
AmazonasBiotop Brother these figures are crazily good. Even the $30k turntables can't match, let alone $10k turntables. $2k is not cheap either...but factoring in scarily superb low rumble, and the best speed stability in the business... things get a bit crazy by comparison and by standards achieved. A great milestone achieved for the industry. Best regards my friend😄
HiViNyws channel hi friend! Yes I looked at a hi end turntable with a price tag at $21000 (more than 10 times expensive) and they brag about magnetic platter, "Our methodology is the ultimate vibration filter", "chassis is three layers of bonded acrylic/aluminum/acrylic, with damping material between layers", "3 isolation steel corner posts, 3 bolts, and the massive bearing assembly", "Analog Drive System (ADS) for the utmost accuracy in motor speed and fine speed adjustments", "The Inverted bearing features a hardened stainless steel shaft, 60 Rockwell chrome hardened ball, spinning in a phosphor bronze bushing, and sits on a PEEK thrust disc", "The motor pulley has an accuracy of +/- .0005” when leaving factory" and it going on and on.. And still the table specifications is not as good as the SL1200! this $21000 table has "only" this specifications: Wow and flutter:
thanks for reporting this. I would honestly still have a mk2. I think the sole reason Panasonic have launched this cheaper model is to avoid the dealers from discounting the G model. There has been so much written about the weaknesses of the arm and internal power supply - Technics just don't seem to be learning....
Hi Michael. I am going on some past experience with the mk2. Changing to an external power supply removing it from underneath the platter has unearthed significantly better clarity of sound, and changing to an Origin Live arm (rega RB250 based) on my mk2 brought further gains on top. Sure VTA is more of a pain, but once I nailed this with appropriate spacers, the soundstage opened up further and instruments were better defined. I'm based in UK and there is a whole industry over here to modifying the Technics. See the "techiepedia" on art of sound forum and SoundHifi Evoke - they have just taken the new 1200G and modified it. All what I have heard and read suggests that the arm and PSU are ripe for upgrading. I think at this price level, Technics have really misunderstood their market and should have offered an armless version and one with an external PSU.
That's Michael, always interested in Technics products. I have the 1210ls5mg turntable and it's great. If I had some extra cash 60,000 I would buy those speakers over anything else.
No he is actually right. Still have the original two i bought in 1990. Still going strong, build like a tank and in todays money would have cost about nine hundred euros. (paid 1200 guilders at the time new) But I guess your bias towards the industry is explanable. Just rubs me the wrong way you try and put everyone in their place as if we all are ignorant dumb people....
Not overpriced.... mercedes audi or bmw is overpriced junk... Lexus or Infinity worth every cent, so Technics is like Nakamichi for futured generation quality bild, not chinase shit like german. It is not a junk it is a art, and high quality build. I have a many car and many dj high end quality equipment and I useit for many year, perfect sound-quality, better then new one.
Stupid question, and not specific to this topic, but when a company resurrects a previously successful and popular product, why not just make the same thing that they made before?
Problem is in my country this "bargain US price" doubles because the distributors here love to gouge and think that a smaller market justifies 50% more profit. If I want a 1200G here I'm looking at $8000. Well fcuk that I say.
i still think that the companies have to make something of reasonable quality for the people that cannot easily spend over $1000 for a turntable alone!
thanks i will check them out! i do remember owning a few entry level Technics turntables in the 1980s,i which they would offer those types again.but maybe that segment of the market is already covered? thanks
okay I see a lot of people complaining about the price. well there is a table out there that actually cost $25,000.00 as well a stylist and cartridge that is 10,000.00 so I'mma going to let you guys just complain about the price of the new tech. As most of you don't have a problem dropping 6k on some pioneer cdj nexus and a 900 mixer plus a 2k MacBook pro computer. but you want to cry about turntables. okay lol
What would be the best turntable to buy? I'm now entering the world of records, I'm 31 years old. I realize that the sound quality is superior to digital and CDs, but I do not know exactly where to start. If you could direct me to a secure purchase, I would be grateful. I want the best, regardless of value. Thank you!
Some people are unable to see past superficial similarities - it looks just about the same therefore it must be. There are standard model cars and GTi XYZ Turbo versions. You don't hear people whining that the fast one with all the letters after its name is just the same thing with a bigger pricetag.
ya that motor sure makes it sound a million times better.. Rtards.......for all the idiots out there... technics survived off the Dj market back in the day.. the 1200 was able to take a beating . a club standard... then vinyl faded out... vinyl is merely just a preference.. hipster fad now ... its just a cash grab like any fad that come back
I have mk2 and gae. I wasn't expecting much difference between these two but when I heard new Gae first time I was suprised by quality of sound. I also mix on it and to me it is perfect table quality is at the highest standards. Michael I can't wait to read your full review I'm looking for some decent hi-fi cartridge and I would hear your opinion. I feel that my ortofons concorde gold doesn't take much from this table lol
As far as cost efficiency, some people will pay $10,000 for this turntable. But, the best balance for now is $2,000 for now, then leave it on a wait-and-see basis.
Is the new lower priced unit actually made in Japan? I was under the impression that Technics turntable manufacturing had been moved to Malaysia. It had been stated that the SL1210GAE (which I own) would be the last Technics turntable which would be Made in Japan.
Let's reduce this presentation to a single point. This is a DJ turntable just like the "G" model. It wasn't design to give the user the best possible output for his audiophile quality cartridge. I owned one of the first in 1973, and I would never own one again. Clearaudio, VPI, Rega, Pro-ject, and several other manufactures sell more exact sound production turntables given you use an equally high quality cartridge. Comparing at the same price point.
This is old, I know, but for anyone reading this in 2021 I put a Hana SL on it with a standard Technics head shell and it works wonderfully. For some reason an LP Gear zpreme head shell didn’t work so well.
I understand a dj might want the best of the best of this sort of thing, but really, what sort of hifi enthusiast would spend 2k, let alone 4k on something like this?
Guess so. What was your point? A couple of years back it was the done thing to spend thousands upgrading the old 1210s - that seemed silly to me so I got an SP10mkII.
leehazlewoodism I guess you're their market demo. My point was why would anyone buy this, when you can get a scoutmaster with the 3d arm or a prime for 4k, or a standard scout for under 2? There is a lot of stiff competition at these price points.
This dude is justifying the fact they took a 1,000.00 table and that their upgrades and hard to produce dies and casts for this table justify 2800-4000.....stop the madness.
They said something about how they were not trying to sell these to dj's, but that it's a "high end" turntable only. Sure sounds like they are dissing dj's to me.
Panasonic said "“Our concept is analog records for hi-fi listening. DJs are fine, too, but as a marketing target it’s problematic." That's a diss in my opinion.
Not a diss but a realistic appraisal of a market flooded with Hanpin OEM turntables ranging from 250-800 dollars, not to mention the crazy amount of used 1200 mk2s-5s that are still around and selling for 300-800 each.
If I could find a used 1200 in good condition for 300 I'd jump all over it. I was at a record swap meet last weekend and they wanted 350 for one that was pretty beat up.
This confirms my theory that the previous Technics turntable was aimed at punching the table and saying here we are again more than getting a bestseller in this increasingly elitist world of Hi Fi or also called Hi End. Two thousand dollars is a lot of money for someone who simply wants to give their first analogue dribbles but for the connoisseurs of the brand and for those who simply want a turntable more than decent and honest and do not eat the budget that should go dedicated to buying discs , This can be an end of the road.
Nebulus Nebulus It is too much money if you want a starter turntable, but this is no starter turntable! Buy a Project or Rega p1 or Music Hall in that case.
Wow. Sorry for my inadvertent ignorance there.... Yeah that's fair if that's the case absolutely before the prices went insane as stocks depleted. keep it safe and tuck it in at night..maybe even read it a bedtime story like I do to mine.
On a ( not ) different note here, I've realized there is no vinyl/record player/gramophone emoji on my keyboard. Do we need to petition this? And if so, I want this Technics to represent that:) who's with me here?
$2K!?! For an upgraded SL1200? Out of range for the average DJ and what audiophile would chose a 1200GR over an RP6 or a Clearaudio Concept? This one is a swing and a miss from Technics.
terrywho22 I would have this over the Clearaudio or Rega, it's the precise pitch control that I find critical and especially the quality of bass reproduction, most belt drives sound sloppy and lazy apart from the Voyds or Audionote decks but they ain't cheap.
Sure, if your markers for performance are bass and pitch stability, you'll likely prefer direct drive over belt and cds over turntables. I've owned a handful of Technics TT (including an SL1200), and found them to be competent workhorses. But whether due to the drive mechanism or, more likely, the arm, I found the Technics to be outclassed sonically by "higher-end" tables... tables which at $2K and $4k Technics is now competing squarely against.
I personally think the 1210 Mk2 had the best build ever, they go like tractors and so precise with the way they were engineered. Made so much difference to my Numark direct drives
Chris M.R. Santos On every big event with electronic music when you see tables they are always old technics. New tech is even higher quality. And it's only one professional deck on the market at this moment. Reloop,pioneer, etc are good just for home use. No sound engineer would really risk to use something else.
I know it......but dj market today is diferent....entirely.....they dont use turntables to play regular vinyl anymore....they use it as interface for Serato or Traktor hardware.....so....these other new releases from Pioneer, Reloop, etc......fits it.....by the price range they do offer......course the Old Technics MK2 worth to have as used ones - however, the new Technics wont be able to reach dj market again....not at this price range....
I still believe that at big events and in big clubs we will see new techs [gr] . When Techno DJs ask for tables They intend to play vinyls, otherwise they use controllers or cdj's for serato and tractor software. There is plenty of cheaper alternatives and yet we always see 7 years and olders Techs. Howewer I aggre New GR will not be again most popular dj deck but most proffesional - YES. For home usage, scratching and playing popular music from serato or tractor there are plenty cheaper alternatives which will do the job.
Its a huge battle ahead.....theres still standalone controllers such as new Denons and Pioneers XDJ......I have 4 denons 3700 + 2mk2.....i love them...Im not shure if the Pro DJ guys will tend to have these new Tech.........they probably have same as me....mk2 / mk3 / mk5G......Maybe new clubs......and as i said - the hi-fi market
There is no reason why you would not upgrade mk2-mk6 fo GR/G other than better performance/better sound quality. GR/G torque adjustment will give you exactly the same 'feeling' of MK2-MK6 engine with slightly better or the same pitch accuracy and better engine response. So nothing changes - new tech will be where old one is now. Serato just introduced new feature which is wow & flutter stability control which means that shitty tables will keep stable wow & flutter but will have some engine response latency so Technics decks will be only for DJs who use ocasionally vinyls (as it is now)
Meh...I am still okay with my decision to sell my record collection and Pioneer turntable years ago. I understand that many feel a turntable and records will provide a warmer sound, and I've seen various tests which show the sound is warmer. In the end, the compact disc gives a closer to true sound but people prefer the warmer sound and the overall tactile experience of the record album (I do as well). I just won't spend thousands of dollars on a high end audio system to play a handful of records. Even if I still had my old LPs I wouldn't be spending the money now because I don't tend to buy physical media anymore with a rare exception. I am happy to see this still has a market, but for the "average" music listener things like Spotify are adequate.
That's because they listen to old turntables like Thorens, 70s Linn LP12, etc, etc, they add warmth and some people like that but it's not accurate! And yes some cartridges too add a bloom, but it's not on the recording.
Yup. Same thing, different color. I have had 1210mkII and loved it back in the DJ-ing days. Ortofon Concorde was a must. But for a Hi Fi/Audiophile listening, 1200GAE would be more suitable.
Too expensive for a 1200. I loved the older model but to get a good (very good) reproduction you needed to mod it for the stability. Setting the price at 2000$ defeats the purpose of the giant killer that the 1200 used to be. Also, since they are addressing the audiophile community, they could have made it automatic.
dubway If you read the manual to the original SL1210MK2 it states you should never power up the deck without the platter fitted, it upsets the power supply because when the coils are activated they need to see the magnet next to them, I believe.
I would have paid 1000 euros for the "so-called Limited Edition" SL-1200G - because of the craftmanship and tone arm (why not using titanium ?), BUT A FUCKING 4000$ PRICE ?!!!!!!!! Well...Audio Technica for me if a better choice. Keep dreaming of easy cash grab from me, Panasonic. There are a lot of hipsters hith money tho...
1) Magnesium alloy ( www.technics.com/us/products/grand-class/direct-drive-turntable-system-sl-1200g.html ). Get your FUCKIN' facts straight. 2) ...Not even about the price/performance ratio. I'm not a billionare, and for better quality I would have paid 2x the price of a good Audio Technica AT-LP1240USB (and a little more, in the range of 1000 euros), but 4000$ (and even 2000$, for the "budget" SL-1200 GR !) is ludacris. The year is 2017, we trim/shape/cut things with lasers and industrial robots, and tolerances of nanometers are not impossible AND DON'T HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVE. This turntable is not a hand-made swiss watch, it is an old relic of a music era made with modern means (= cheap, because of industrialisation), with modern materials. Panasonic targets the hipster community, and that's what they'll get, but not me. You don't need a 1000 years old katana made with gold and panda tears to cut a bread, if you understand what I mean...
Analog Planet you understand I'm just really pissed off at Technics because all these years us DJ's relied on these turntables and now they made a piece of s*** that we can't afford so I'm not really a fool. I'm just pissed off because I'm working class and I can't afford this s***. Do they plan on making an affordable table again or they just going to put out this crap that nobody's going to buy? Seriously who would really want this? Is there really a market for this one? I know I don't stand alone on this one. A guy below mentioned how we made their company successful and I really believe that's true. So I'd be really happy if they would put out a turntable that isn't ridiculously overpriced
Analog Planet yeah we'll be happy if I reach your age. Hopefully so. Anyway keep doing what you do. Your videos are very interesting. I'm just mad at Technics because I was so disappointed when they stopped making the turntable that are so much fun to DJ on. And now they come up with this. I guess I'll just buy a Pioneer plx 500. Have you the scene that turntable yet? Not sure if it's any good but I'm not looking for super high-quality. Great quality is enough for me. And there's nothing like the feeling of lining up beats with one of these. I just don't see how a plus minus 6% pitch control is used for regular listening
Analog Planet yeah I know that after watching some other reviews. So what's up with the pitch control? When does any audio file need a plus minus 6%? And then from what I understand this one has a button to double that. I would love to own this turntable but it's too much. Music is not a priority in my life. I just DJ for fun. It's just a shame that Technics doesn't recognize the market that really appreciates what they've done in the past. I've known so many people to spend their income tax checks including myself on the 1200s and 1210s of yesteryear in years past.
Analog Planet I actually do have a pair of 1200 md3's at my house now. They belong to a friend from Austin who stores them here because he doesn't have room where he is currently living. I have one of them set up in my music room along with my 2 Pioneer CDj 900 turd players and a Pioneer DJM 900 Nexus mixer. He also has 3 crates of vinyl here. I use to have a pair of 1210s but I sold them to a friend when I was in Nursing School. I definately regret that now.
The SL-1200/1210GR is not badly priced compared to what some others cost TODAY at TODAYS RATE of inflation. Because of the resurgence in vinyl, used SL-1200’s could be had for about $300. Not any more.Good luck with that! If you do find one at those prices they have most likely been schlepped back and forth to clubs and have physical signs of abuse. I just bought the 1210GR to replace my 1210mk2. Night and day difference in the sound...using the exact same cartridge. I sold my mint condition 1210mk2 with an Ortofon bronze cartridge to a friend for the steal of $550. He jumped on it! (He got a deal...it was MINT!). The prices on good used technics have gone up quite a bit in the past few years. If you find a great condition one reasonably priced, buy it! Otherwise, whip out your credit card and plunk down $1700 for the 1210GR...but you won’t be disappointed.
At any rate, this is one of the few new turntables I would consider as replacement for one of my archiving decks.
I'm lucky enough to own a pair of 1210s just been serviced and never missed a beat ,DJ played for 25 years , perfect.
I like the blue light, had my SL1210's since 1998, still going strong.
Hi Michael, thanks for showing this. This is the first video of its kind on the web.✌
That is a killer turntable for the money and beyond.
I owned a MK2 and replaced the stock arm with an SME V off my Avid, that totally opens up the mid-range and gets the bass under control.
I can't afford any of this stuff but it sure is fun to watch, listen and salivate while Michael provides the tour.
I purchased the SL-1210GR back in July. I'm satisfied with it. The only thing that's ever expensive is making a mistake. No mistake here.
Technics is back! Love that classic model. My SL-D2 is still in perfect working conditions after 38 years. It costed me $250.00 back in 1980. So... prices are relatively standards according time. Let see how long this model will last.
B & H is now selling these. They have them in stock. Considering free shipping and possibly no tax, it could be a really good deal, especially using a cash back credit card. I've been contemplating buying one of these since they were announced. I like the adjustable tonearm height feature, direct drive, s-shaped tonearm, adjustable feet, and removeable headshell. I also like that Ortofon has 2M series cartridges integrated with a headshell that provides for proper cartridge alignment with this turntable without fuss. At any rate, looking at pretty much every turntable out there for the last 2 years, as an upgrade from my 43 year old Sony PS-4750, it seems to me the SL-1200GR is awesome for the money.
This must rate as another great TT package from Technics, the arm is pretty dam good in spite of what many have written and now the GR has many of the G updates within so must be considered a bargain . The G is a wonderful sounding deck and has ease of use to die for so to have the GR at roughly half the price and most of the performance is good fortune for all who have the wit to consider it.
Derek Woolston Derek, amongst the many happy users of the G in the U.K., what would you 1)think about the image perspective, soundstaging afforded by the G when compared to your superb Orbe? 2)some parity on the arm that Technics has made for your G? Thank you...
Would like to hear frank opinions from you, a real G AND ORBE,Linn,Thorens,etc user!!!!! Your 40 years of experience please to help us.🖐😄🖑
It was with some surprise that I found myself preferring the sound of the Technics SL1200G/AT33EV to my Orbe /SME309/AT33PGTMK2 . The soundstage and imaging certainly differs from the Orbe, it took me awhile to realise that the T deck produces a more realistic view of the venue , studio, jazz club or concert hall, be it more distant or to the fore. The Orbe initially seems more impressive but on reflection one comes to realise it is the TG that is producing a true perspective of the recording. I bought the TG for ease of use, to easily play my old 45s etc but although the arm is much maligned by many I in no way consider it to be less than a very good arm to compliment what is a fine sounding package for the money. One could easily pay much more and not find the satisfaction of ownership, ease of use and wonderful sound.
Derek Woolston Wow, great feedback, so are you keeping both turntables? The Orbe/309 is a fine turntable.
Short term yes but the Orbe may soon have a ticket to ride ( Oh dear, apologies for that ).
Derek Woolston Thanks for your Help. lol
The technics GR are fucking TANKS! Solid
i'm already saving up for the SL 1200 and the amp.
the loss of the brass submat takes 1/8" away from platter thickness. Would be nice to see a return of 1/4" mat RGS0010A. There could be trouble setting arm height with short cartridges.
This is just what Technics needed to do! :)
But is it worth replacing a fully functioning MKii over? Never discussed after all this time.
These turntables look beautiful
I would love to hear the difference between this and my old 1976 SL-23 using the exact same cartridge and the same sound system.
Ortofon said that their DJ business reported lower sales in 2016, but their HiFi (audiophile) business is really strong.
Alot of this is due to the Shure M44-7 cartridge I think, ortofon makes all these crazy carts that cost twice as much but since most DJs are using DVS now the Shure cart outshines them. Hell even the famous DJ Qbert uses the Shure rather than the one Ortofon makes with his name on them.
even if it's not the same as the old 1200, why would being the same as the old one be a bad thing? look at what people are willing to pay for a used 1200 in pristine condition. looking at what people are willing to pay for a new old stock 1200. it was and is a phenomenal turntable. Technics could do themselves a lot more favors by saying "this is very similar to the original 1200 Mk2" rather than by saying "oh this is so much better" or "so much different"
And that's great if it's true (the audio specs are identical so it may be hard to quantify those substantial improvements in scientific terms). But I don't think there's any harm in acknowledging that the 1200MK2 was, and is, an excellent table. Why else would people be spending $1999 for new old stock 1210MK5s? Conversely, I don't think it helps them sell 1200Gs by saying that they're dramatically better than 1200MK2s. Sure, highlight the improvements (which in my humble opinion are less than substantial), but they shouldn't disregard all the things about the 1200MK2 that make it great. If it was anything less than great, there wouldn't have been hundreds of thousands of people BEGGING Panasonic to bring it back.
I would agree that a huge motor improvement would be a substantial improvement to the turntable, but I'm not convinced that the motor improvement is huge. I'm not being stubborn or ornery; I just have yet to see or hear proof that the improvement to the motor is indeed huge. If someone can demonstrate that to me, I'm all ears!
maineboy1979 Ok but until you listen to it you cannot judge it! That's fair is it not?
The 1200 is back!
I just think is too expensive they already have the good reputation and name and they using that in theirs favor to compete in this market. It is a great turntable.
I'm so glad I got one 1200 for a $100
Great video!
Any chance of reviewing this new GR model Mike? These have come down in price a little now and you can pick them up for about £1k new which is not actually too bad considering the economics of everything else. I have a few Technics tables including an original mk1 1200 with a SME-3009 S2 Improved, I like the idea of being able to buy this new and knowing it doesn't require any attention.
So glad i got mine in the 80's... Technics 1210 mk II... so much has dissapeared today..!!!!
Good Show Michael. I really appreciate these videos.
Technics has sure made a huge comeback and their new stuff is very nice looking. Their speakers sure does look like Sony’s high-end line of speakers. IMO. I even see their stuff selling at some well known ultra high-end dealers that would for sure wouldn’t be caught dead selling anything that Technics made in the past.
I have the 1200 mk7. Very happy with it
Gee whiz, I passed on an original 1200 back in the day when they were new, I was saving for an Oracle.
Don Doucette you did good
If I had the spare cash, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Same here. But, I've got a 1600 MKII and I'm happy with that for now.
Same here. Wonderful deck.
@@purplesabbath9057 Oh that's a great deck.
I’m about to buy a first turntable for home use. Will this be a good choice then?
@@jimbojet8728 If you can afford it then yes! Enjoy brother.
Thank you technics for giving up on all the DJs who made you wht you are today we truly thank you.
GR is actually the price of a new old stock 1200!
adjusted for inflation original 1200 were as expensive when they came out
These are the facts, not sure what you want to disagree with. Your saying that is like saying that 2+2 doesn't equal 4.
Obviously you don't otherwise you'd do some research beforehand. RRP on these is £1,299 (that includes VAT at 20%), at todays exchange rate that is roughly $1,600 or $1,333 without VAT. These were $350 (without sales tax/VAT) in 1980 which equals $1,100 in 2017. The difference is negligible if you take into account that these reissues aren't continuing from where the old 1200's left off and have addressed issues that original 1200's never had fixed.
Focus, these aren't the same decks so why would they cost the same as the product that had been on the market for 30 years (and had been amortised 1000 times over by then) in 2008 FFS? I'm merely stating the obvious that all the crybabies ignore the fact that at launch 1200's had cost similar money, adjusted for inflation, as hey do now.
The other fact is that you as usual are getting fucked by your retailers who profiteer on early demand.
Analog Planet have you listened to the rest of the Technics Reference system? I am thinking to hear the SB-R1 speakers. Would consider purchasing those for my listening room. It just seams that there isn't any good reviews of those speakers. Whats your outlook on the upcoming Technics SP10R? Have you seen the prototype yet? Did you dig out any inside info on it?
It's pretty funny how some people tell that these Technics are not made for djs, but better for audiophiles.
Firstly , why a dj cannot be also an audiophile?
And secondly, what the hell do an audiophile needs +-8 / +-16 range of pitch for? Maybe to listen to some kind of Mozzart's concert which needs that kind of pitch?
It's ridiculous. This is just a kind of marketing strategy from Panasonic, because this kind of turntables with such kind of pitch range and velocity stability is for Djs, belive it or not (aware of their expensive price).
So do you think a +-16 range of pitch to accurate the speed of an older record which could be "up to" 2% of variation isn't an overkill, nice.
I think that is pretty clear that a Dj could take much more of it that a person who keeps the pitch at cero the 98% of the time.
I don't think it's a silly thought. After all it's an improved version of the 1200 mk2 and the 1210 mk5g. I'm talking about this particular model, not the GAE one.
Technics Are Forever
Hi.
Do you know if it s a digital pitch fader like M5G?Or an analog pitch fader like MK2?
Thanks.Pierre.
The integrated amp is beautiful looking. Last year at Newport I found their gear a bit dry sounding and uninvolving. Have to give another try in LA in June.
It’s just a shame that the mark seven is a let down with the Digital Pitch slider
I'm more interested in that amp. What a beauty.
ETH-LAD I like the look of it too, it's those VU meters, can't stop looking at them.
I'm sure the deck should be switched off before removing the platter????
Classic turntable. I love my SL 1210MKII
Glad I kept my two 1200 MK2s which I bought brand new back in the day, and cost around $900. for both.
Well those are still wonderful turntables but these new ones are redesigned and improved. Not a MASSIVE difference but the difference is present. Honestly though, for DJing just hold on to your MK2s. For audiophiles, this would be a step up. Now I know some people say these aren't audiophile turntables but honestly you can make these things sound incredible.
Great news!
The W/F is the same as the G!
and the rumble is not bad?! at 78dB!?
That is not bad at all? What is the level for rumble on a audiofil turntable?
I am thinking that it is hard to get a better speed stability and specs for $2000 on a "audiofil" turntable??
some of this new table:
-Wow and Flutter: 0.025% W.R.M.S.
-Rumble: 78dB (IEC 98A Weighted)
AmazonasBiotop Brother these figures are crazily good. Even the $30k turntables can't match, let alone $10k turntables. $2k is not cheap either...but factoring in scarily superb low rumble, and the best speed stability in the business... things get a bit crazy by comparison and by standards achieved.
A great milestone achieved for the industry.
Best regards my friend😄
HiViNyws channel hi friend!
Yes I looked at a hi end turntable with a price tag at $21000 (more than 10 times expensive) and they brag about magnetic platter, "Our methodology is the ultimate vibration filter", "chassis is three layers of bonded acrylic/aluminum/acrylic, with damping material between layers", "3 isolation steel corner posts, 3 bolts, and the massive bearing assembly", "Analog Drive System (ADS) for the utmost accuracy in motor speed and fine speed adjustments", "The Inverted bearing features a hardened stainless steel shaft, 60 Rockwell chrome hardened ball, spinning in a phosphor bronze bushing, and sits on a PEEK thrust disc", "The motor pulley has an accuracy of +/- .0005” when leaving factory" and it going on and on..
And still the table specifications is not as good as the SL1200!
this $21000 table has "only" this specifications:
Wow and flutter:
AmazonasBiotop Clap Clap Clap!!!!!!!💪💪😄😄😄😄😄😄✌
It could be said louder but not clearer
Nebulus Nebulus 😄i see.
Happy weekend friends!!!
All around Technics 12oo are the best turntalbles hands down...
An old Technics 1200 - 1300 still beats the shit out of a Caliburn.
Happy with my 30 yr old hitachi to thank you.
1049dang my ps-58 is still working like a charm.
thanks for reporting this. I would honestly still have a mk2. I think the sole reason Panasonic have launched this cheaper model is to avoid the dealers from discounting the G model. There has been so much written about the weaknesses of the arm and internal power supply - Technics just don't seem to be learning....
See You In Mist Hi Julian!😄nice to see you!!!
Hi Michael. I am going on some past experience with the mk2. Changing to an external power supply removing it from underneath the platter has unearthed significantly better clarity of sound, and changing to an Origin Live arm (rega RB250 based) on my mk2 brought further gains on top. Sure VTA is more of a pain, but once I nailed this with appropriate spacers, the soundstage opened up further and instruments were better defined. I'm based in UK and there is a whole industry over here to modifying the Technics. See the "techiepedia" on art of sound forum and SoundHifi Evoke - they have just taken the new 1200G and modified it. All what I have heard and read suggests that the arm and PSU are ripe for upgrading. I think at this price level, Technics have really misunderstood their market and should have offered an armless version and one with an external PSU.
Hello Ian - Happy New Year!
4 grand and it needs upgrading?? Jeez.
He's talking about upgrading the 1979 model...
That's Michael, always interested in Technics products. I have the 1210ls5mg turntable and it's great. If I had some extra cash 60,000 I would buy those speakers over anything else.
Panasonic has overpriced the shit out of these tables why not just Bing back the sl1200mkII and they would have sold a shit load.
No he is actually right. Still have the original two i bought in 1990. Still going strong, build like a tank and in todays money would have cost about nine hundred euros. (paid 1200 guilders at the time new)
But I guess your bias towards the industry is explanable.
Just rubs me the wrong way you try and put everyone in their place as if we all are ignorant dumb people....
They had to Re-Tool in 20-Teens Yen, vs 1970's Yen. Imagine how much that costs, aside from being hand built.
Not overpriced.... mercedes audi or bmw is overpriced junk... Lexus or Infinity worth every cent, so Technics is like Nakamichi for futured generation quality bild, not chinase shit like german. It is not a junk it is a art, and high quality build. I have a many car and many dj high end quality equipment and I useit for many year, perfect sound-quality, better then new one.
Def Jam sorry im i ainbt paying alot for 8% pitch
Stupid question, and not specific to this topic, but when a company resurrects a previously successful and popular product, why not just make the same thing that they made before?
Plenty of 1200's available on the second-hand market! I've got one myself!
Problem is in my country this "bargain US price" doubles because the distributors here love to gouge and think that a smaller market justifies 50% more profit. If I want a 1200G here I'm looking at $8000. Well fcuk that I say.
i still think that the companies have to make something of reasonable quality for the people that cannot easily spend over $1000 for a turntable alone!
thanks i will check them out! i do remember owning a few entry level Technics turntables in the 1980s,i which they would offer those types again.but maybe that segment of the market is already covered? thanks
okay I see a lot of people complaining about the price. well there is a table out there that actually cost $25,000.00 as well a stylist and cartridge that is 10,000.00 so I'mma going to let you guys just complain about the price of the new tech. As most of you don't have a problem dropping 6k on some pioneer cdj nexus and a 900 mixer plus a 2k MacBook pro computer. but you want to cry about turntables. okay lol
Aaron Morris. Fuck it you buy it !!! I won't!!!!
What would be the best turntable to buy?
I'm now entering the world of records, I'm 31 years old. I realize that the sound quality is superior to digital and CDs, but I do not know exactly where to start. If you could direct me to a secure purchase, I would be grateful. I want the best, regardless of value. Thank you!
remember when these were dj turntables.. and they never cost 2000g. what a joke or the same thing
ya wow a different magnet on the platter.. .. worth 1000 more .. fools with too much money can hear the difference
Some people are unable to see past superficial similarities - it looks just about the same therefore it must be.
There are standard model cars and GTi XYZ Turbo versions. You don't hear people whining that the fast one with all the letters after its name is just the same thing with a bigger pricetag.
ya that motor sure makes it sound a million times better.. Rtards.......for all the idiots out there... technics survived off the Dj market back in the day.. the 1200 was able to take a beating . a club standard... then vinyl faded out... vinyl is merely just a preference.. hipster fad now ... its just a cash grab like any fad that come back
I have mk2 and gae. I wasn't expecting much difference between these two but when I heard new Gae first time I was suprised by quality of sound. I also mix on it and to me it is perfect table quality is at the highest standards. Michael I can't wait to read your full review I'm looking for some decent hi-fi cartridge and I would hear your opinion. I feel that my ortofons concorde gold doesn't take much from this table lol
If I knew this would be that easy I would't wait that long but just ask haha Great rewiev, I found very interesting to read. Thank you
As far as cost efficiency, some people will pay $10,000 for this turntable. But, the best balance for now is $2,000 for now, then leave it on a wait-and-see basis.
Analog Planet, that's a good question.
Some will pay that much, indeed.
John Doe BULLSHITTT
Is the new lower priced unit actually made in Japan? I was under the impression that Technics turntable manufacturing had been moved to Malaysia. It had been stated that the SL1210GAE (which I own) would be the last Technics turntable which would be Made in Japan.
The GR’s were made in Japan.
Let's reduce this presentation to a single point. This is a DJ turntable just like the "G" model. It wasn't design to give the user the best possible output for his audiophile quality cartridge. I owned one of the first in 1973, and I would never own one again. Clearaudio, VPI, Rega, Pro-ject, and several other manufactures sell more exact sound production turntables given you use an equally high quality cartridge. Comparing at the same price point.
Michael, you must get one of these and do what you do best and play it for us, thanks.
Thanks Michael and keep up the good work
I can see someone, one day comparing an older Technics 1200 to the new 1200GR one and doing a review. Good job getting to the heart of this.
$4000? No thanks, I'll stick to my Sl1200MK2 and my SL1600MK2... and save myself $ to buy more vinyl and audio gear.... $4000 is INSANE!
werd!
Would you rather have this - brand new - for $1700 or a used - but clean - mk2 for $500?
That new one for sure
Does anyone know of the US release date for this turntable or the sl1210gr?
Can the Tonearm be upgraded and how well does this turntable handle MC cartridges ?
This is old, I know, but for anyone reading this in 2021 I put a Hana SL on it with a standard Technics head shell and it works wonderfully. For some reason an LP Gear zpreme head shell didn’t work so well.
I understand a dj might want the best of the best of this sort of thing, but really, what sort of hifi enthusiast would spend 2k, let alone 4k on something like this?
$2k isn't a lot to spend on a hi-fi turntable - that's about what my cartridge retails for.
leehazlewoodism I think you missed the point.
Guess so. What was your point? A couple of years back it was the done thing to spend thousands upgrading the old 1210s - that seemed silly to me so I got an SP10mkII.
leehazlewoodism I guess you're their market demo. My point was why would anyone buy this, when you can get a scoutmaster with the 3d arm or a prime for 4k, or a standard scout for under 2? There is a lot of stiff competition at these price points.
The sort of enthusiast who is looking for a sound true to the original recording.
I just copped 2 sl1200 mk 5 with flight cases and slip mats and expensive needles for $650 for both I dont need to spend $2000
They say it again and again: "...grate torque...". What torque has to do with an audiophile TT?!!!
This dude is justifying the fact they took a 1,000.00 table and that their upgrades and hard to produce dies and casts for this table justify 2800-4000.....stop the madness.
If I had $2k I wouldn't buy this turntable... I'd buy a Clearaudio Concept...
Or how bout a crosley? This thing is too damn expensive!!!
Fuck. Technics!!! They turned their backs on a lot of loyal fans!!!!!
Thanks for forgetting who made the 1200 popular to begin with Panasonic, the dj.
They said something about how they were not trying to sell these to dj's, but that it's a "high end" turntable only. Sure sounds like they are dissing dj's to me.
Panasonic said "“Our concept is analog records for hi-fi listening. DJs are fine, too, but as a marketing target it’s problematic." That's a diss in my opinion.
Not a diss but a realistic appraisal of a market flooded with Hanpin OEM turntables ranging from 250-800 dollars, not to mention the crazy amount of used 1200 mk2s-5s that are still around and selling for 300-800 each.
If I could find a used 1200 in good condition for 300 I'd jump all over it. I was at a record swap meet last weekend and they wanted 350 for one that was pretty beat up.
Odeed look other places besides swapmeets, there's half a dozen at guitar center and plenty more on ebay and craigslist.
Nice, but still obscenely expensive. I'll be looking for a good refurb, thank you...
So, where can you buy one?
Got to have one. This year.
This confirms my theory that the previous Technics turntable was aimed at punching the table and saying here we are again more than getting a bestseller in this increasingly elitist world of Hi Fi or also called Hi End.
Two thousand dollars is a lot of money for someone who simply wants to give their first analogue dribbles but for the connoisseurs of the brand and for those who simply want a turntable more than decent and honest and do not eat the budget that should go dedicated to buying discs , This can be an end of the road.
Nebulus Nebulus Hi brother! Great to see you! 🤗 hope you have a great new year,
- ian
Hi, Ian! Hope you have a plenty of vinyl new year!
Nebulus Nebulus It is too much money if you want a starter turntable, but this is no starter turntable! Buy a Project or Rega p1 or Music Hall in that case.
Don't spend money twice. Spend money in vinyl!
I paid $200USD 40 years ago for the original SL1200. No turntable can match it even after 40 years. I use 881s cartridge.
what happened to the gae edition i never seen them in stores?
Lucky I bought one of the last mk 2's for a grand back in 2010....
Jesus Christ.i paid 450 for a mark 5 new in the shop. are we talking GBP or USD here ?
@@McRizzle23 Australian...
Wow. Sorry for my inadvertent ignorance there.... Yeah that's fair if that's the case absolutely before the prices went insane as stocks depleted. keep it safe and tuck it in at night..maybe even read it a bedtime story like I do to mine.
On a ( not ) different note here, I've realized there is no vinyl/record player/gramophone emoji on my keyboard. Do we need to petition this? And if so, I want this Technics to represent that:) who's with me here?
$2K!?! For an upgraded SL1200? Out of range for the average DJ and what audiophile would chose a 1200GR over an RP6 or a Clearaudio Concept? This one is a swing and a miss from Technics.
terrywho22 I would have this over the Clearaudio or Rega, it's the precise pitch control that I find critical and especially the quality of bass reproduction, most belt drives sound sloppy and lazy apart from the Voyds or Audionote decks but they ain't cheap.
Sure, if your markers for performance are bass and pitch stability, you'll likely prefer direct drive over belt and cds over turntables. I've owned a handful of Technics TT (including an SL1200), and found them to be competent workhorses. But whether due to the drive mechanism or, more likely, the arm, I found the Technics to be outclassed sonically by "higher-end" tables... tables which at $2K and $4k Technics is now competing squarely against.
terrywho22 It's why I have an sme 309 on mine, sound's superb.
Now the rumble won't interfere with your enjoyment of the crackle, pops, and tracking distortion.
I'll continue to get real information from the Boston Audio Society newsletter.
Touchy, touchy.
Talk to David Lau, who runs Brookwood Studios. He'll give you an informed opinion about vinyl as well.
Poinzy Who on earth cares what he thinks lol
You mean David Lau? He's got Grammy-winning recordings under his belt.
Poinzy So what, who cares what he thinks.
I love mine!!!!!
I personally think the 1210 Mk2 had the best build ever, they go like tractors and so precise with the way they were engineered. Made so much difference to my Numark direct drives
I like this and price around 2K
they still lovelly......but they wont hit dj market.....its now for hi-fi guys
Chris M.R. Santos On every big event with electronic music when you see tables they are always old technics. New tech is even higher quality. And it's only one professional deck on the market at this moment. Reloop,pioneer, etc are good just for home use. No sound engineer would really risk to use something else.
I know it......but dj market today is diferent....entirely.....they dont use turntables to play regular vinyl anymore....they use it as interface for Serato or Traktor hardware.....so....these other new releases from Pioneer, Reloop, etc......fits it.....by the price range they do offer......course the Old Technics MK2 worth to have as used ones - however, the new Technics wont be able to reach dj market again....not at this price range....
I still believe that at big events and in big clubs we will see new techs [gr] . When Techno DJs ask for tables They intend to play vinyls, otherwise they use controllers or cdj's for serato and tractor software. There is plenty of cheaper alternatives and yet we always see 7 years and olders Techs. Howewer I aggre New GR will not be again most popular dj deck but most proffesional - YES. For home usage, scratching and playing popular music from serato or tractor there are plenty cheaper alternatives which will do the job.
Its a huge battle ahead.....theres still standalone controllers such as new Denons and Pioneers XDJ......I have 4 denons 3700 + 2mk2.....i love them...Im not shure if the Pro DJ guys will tend to have these new Tech.........they probably have same as me....mk2 / mk3 / mk5G......Maybe new clubs......and as i said - the hi-fi market
There is no reason why you would not upgrade mk2-mk6 fo GR/G other than better performance/better sound quality. GR/G torque adjustment will give you exactly the same 'feeling' of MK2-MK6 engine with slightly better or the same pitch accuracy and better engine response. So nothing changes - new tech will be where old one is now. Serato just introduced new feature which is wow & flutter stability control which means that shitty tables will keep stable wow & flutter but will have some engine response latency so Technics decks will be only for DJs who use ocasionally vinyls (as it is now)
Diana Krall at the background?
nice to hear ms krall in the background :D
yeah cuz you just dont get enough of that at audio shows
Meh...I am still okay with my decision to sell my record collection and Pioneer turntable years ago. I understand that many feel a turntable and records will provide a warmer sound, and I've seen various tests which show the sound is warmer. In the end, the compact disc gives a closer to true sound but people prefer the warmer sound and the overall tactile experience of the record album (I do as well). I just won't spend thousands of dollars on a high end audio system to play a handful of records. Even if I still had my old LPs I wouldn't be spending the money now because I don't tend to buy physical media anymore with a rare exception. I am happy to see this still has a market, but for the "average" music listener things like Spotify are adequate.
Dean of DVD Vinyl sounds warmer? Bullshit, it's certain turntables that add warmth not the Records.
Chris evans What about the cartridge/needle? I think you're wrong about the warmer sound. Most audiophiles say vinyl sounds warmer than digital CD.
That's because they listen to old turntables like Thorens, 70s Linn LP12, etc, etc, they add warmth and some people like that but it's not accurate! And yes some cartridges too add a bloom, but it's not on the recording.
Chris evans okay, so I'm right. Thanks for taking the time to clarify.
Dean of Games that's ok, except you're wrong lol
will they have it in black?
Heh yeah I love my matte black mk5s, no finger smudges to ruin the shine and the lights really stand out.
Dj Phase Four
I seen the 1200GR and it's absolutely beautiful! Wowzers
So jealous :)
I saw in DJ Mag they announced a 1210 gr in black.
Yup. Same thing, different color. I have had 1210mkII and loved it back in the DJ-ing days. Ortofon Concorde was a must. But for a Hi Fi/Audiophile listening, 1200GAE would be more suitable.
These things are still pricey. Behringer should put out a high torque Technics like deck.
Too expensive for a 1200. I loved the older model but to get a good (very good) reproduction you needed to mod it for the stability. Setting the price at 2000$ defeats the purpose of the giant killer that the 1200 used to be. Also, since they are addressing the audiophile community, they could have made it automatic.
Too expensive considering you got the Pioneer PLX-1000's in the market now!
Freshtex Blackman you can't compare these two. It is like comparing opel to Mercedes
Now we know where the drugs went during the drought of the 1990s
The price? of a car? and these arent even the top-end version........
hurts some souls.. mine are 20 and still mechanically flawless
for 4k I could get jellybean benitez to dj a party for me and beer for 50 people
Or a turntable that would sound fantastic for twenty years, rather than being gone by the following morning? Tough choice.
Dirk Diggler The GR here is $1700+. While the G is $4k..
interesting!
I heard one, its great
Does he know that you're not suppose to remove the platter with the power on in dealing with direct drives.smh.
Virgil Williams Yes the older model, perhaps this one you can?
why ?
dubway If you read the manual to the original SL1210MK2 it states you should never power up the deck without the platter fitted, it upsets the power supply because when the coils are activated they need to see the magnet next to them, I believe.
It doesn’t matter whether power is on or off while taking off the platter. Just make sure that platter motor is not switched on.
I would have paid 1000 euros for the "so-called Limited Edition" SL-1200G - because of the craftmanship and tone arm (why not using titanium ?), BUT A FUCKING 4000$ PRICE ?!!!!!!!! Well...Audio Technica for me if a better choice. Keep dreaming of easy cash grab from me, Panasonic. There are a lot of hipsters hith money tho...
1) Magnesium alloy ( www.technics.com/us/products/grand-class/direct-drive-turntable-system-sl-1200g.html ). Get your FUCKIN' facts straight.
2) ...Not even about the price/performance ratio. I'm not a billionare, and for better quality I would have paid 2x the price of a good Audio Technica AT-LP1240USB (and a little more, in the range of 1000 euros), but 4000$ (and even 2000$, for the "budget" SL-1200 GR !) is ludacris. The year is 2017, we trim/shape/cut things with lasers and industrial robots, and tolerances of nanometers are not impossible AND DON'T HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVE. This turntable is not a hand-made swiss watch, it is an old relic of a music era made with modern means (= cheap, because of industrialisation), with modern materials. Panasonic targets the hipster community, and that's what they'll get, but not me. You don't need a 1000 years old katana made with gold and panda tears to cut a bread, if you understand what I mean...
The price tho 😒😒😒
They made it less than the 1210 MK2...
A 600 dollar turntable for 2k, awesome! Thx Technics!
Analog Planet you understand I'm just really pissed off at Technics because all these years us DJ's relied on these turntables and now they made a piece of s*** that we can't afford so I'm not really a fool. I'm just pissed off because I'm working class and I can't afford this s***. Do they plan on making an affordable table again or they just going to put out this crap that nobody's going to buy? Seriously who would really want this? Is there really a market for this one? I know I don't stand alone on this one. A guy below mentioned how we made their company successful and I really believe that's true. So I'd be really happy if they would put out a turntable that isn't ridiculously overpriced
Analog Planet you don't have to insult me. You're an old fart at case you were unaware
Analog Planet yeah we'll be happy if I reach your age. Hopefully so. Anyway keep doing what you do. Your videos are very interesting. I'm just mad at Technics because I was so disappointed when they stopped making the turntable that are so much fun to DJ on. And now they come up with this. I guess I'll just buy a Pioneer plx 500. Have you the scene that turntable yet? Not sure if it's any good but I'm not looking for super high-quality. Great quality is enough for me. And there's nothing like the feeling of lining up beats with one of these. I just don't see how a plus minus 6% pitch control is used for regular listening
Analog Planet yeah I know that after watching some other reviews. So what's up with the pitch control? When does any audio file need a plus minus 6%? And then from what I understand this one has a button to double that. I would love to own this turntable but it's too much. Music is not a priority in my life. I just DJ for fun. It's just a shame that Technics doesn't recognize the market that really appreciates what they've done in the past. I've known so many people to spend their income tax checks including myself on the 1200s and 1210s of yesteryear in years past.
Analog Planet I actually do have a pair of 1200 md3's at my house now. They belong to a friend from Austin who stores them here because he doesn't have room where he is currently living. I have one of them set up in my music room along with my 2 Pioneer CDj 900 turd players and a Pioneer DJM 900 Nexus mixer. He also has 3 crates of vinyl here. I use to have a pair of 1210s but I sold them to a friend when I was in Nursing School. I definately regret that now.