How to Fix Lionel Train Postwar 681, 671, 2020 Basic Maintenance for Newbie Beginners
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- Did you just buy a 681, 671 or 2020 at a train show or off Ebay?
A quick video showing how to take the shell off and lube a postwar Lionel 681 locomotive.
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Used this to repair my 671 that was my great grandpa's. Thank You!
Thats great to hear! Thanks for sharing that. I hope you enjoy your great grandpas 671 for years to come!
Thanks for the video--your old passenger car that your helper held up is named with the New Jersey town of Clifton, where my wife works, so that was pretty good 😄
Re: weight block: on turbines w/o magne traction and diagonal motor (1947-49); 1946 had double worm drive (671 and 2020); 1950: 681 had magne traction; 671RR: 1952 reverted to non magne traction due to material shortages during Korean Conflict; 1954-55: 682 had mage traction; they are great fun; converted a 681 to Command Control many years ago which gives you the ability to add boost to the smoke, pretty good smoker (sorry if this seems like TMI ) 😅
I would love to convert mine to command control.
Thanks. I was able to get my Dad's 671 going. Motor was frozen so I cleaned out the oil hole in the motor to worm gear housing with electric contact cleaner and reoiled it. Take apart instructions were VERY helpful. The 671 does have that weight like you mentioned so that was helpful in ID what that was.
Outstanding finally I see an original and authentic Lionel train and train guy who knows how to run his trains instead of going around the track at a slow crawl which I find very boring I'm guessing that's your son with you in the background and I say good job all around! Thank you for sharing
Thanks for that Philip! I come from a line of railfans starting with my great grandfather who worked on the B&O when he came to the US from Europe. Yes thats my son. He loves the trains too especially when they are moving fast.
Thank you for the great video. I am handicapped and I’m always afraid to tear into things now but I did buy a 2020 that runs sporadically and I do need to get into the motor so your repair restore clean video was very helpful. However, I did notice, that all of the tutorials on model train engines, the creators that have a screwdriver in their hand, always seem to tap on the things that they’re trying to show us. One creator had a screwdriver, and was tapping on the very pristine face plate of the Lionel transformer. This just drives a lot of us crazy so please if you can don’t tap on anything with the screwdriver, or put the screwdriver down and get a plastic pointer to use instead. Again, thanks for the great video.
Awesome, useful video! I just got a
671, it’s like a small bear has been unleashed on my living room rug 💪
Thanks for the video - it was very helpful in getting me started on cleaning my 2020. However, I did find a few interesting differences with my 2020 from the 681. The most important issue was when I went to service the armature. I started by removing the screws from the back of the motor housing as you did on the 681, but the wires to the coil were much too short to remove the piece. Trying to access the armature from the back seemed like it could damage the connections. I replaced the screws and disconnected the entire motor from the train to get a better look. Instead of rivets on the front of the housing like the 681, there are two screws that could be removed and release the armature assembly from the front of the coil. Another key difference was how the brushes in the 2020 are mounted. Instead of the pawl springs used in the 681, the brushes in my 2020 use coiled springs. There are two tubes that screw in to the back of the motor that act as retainers for the brushes and springs. After cleaning the inside of the motor, I reassembled it without the brushes. By removing the tubes and reinstalling the brushes from behind it was an easy matter to get everything reassembled -- no need for juggling the parts to get the armature aligned or chasing springs and brushes around the workbench. Not sure if all 2020's are like this or there are variations?
I’m very glad you left a comment as earlier today i was trying to figure out how to get to commutator. I noticed the same thing about the wires and wanted to go a different route. I will use your technique thank you!
You are missing the worm cover that protects the worm. They are available.
Whenever I service, I punch or drill a hole in the cover so I can add oil to the worm without removing the cover each time.
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Hey Roger, Thanks for watching. Yes I noticed that when someone asked about that cover on their 671. Mine was an Ebay purchase and never had it, I never noticed. With that missing it never affected the performance so I didn't think twice about it.
If I come across one at a train show I'll throw it on. I am certainly not paying online prices with shipping for that. Or maybe make one out of scrap.
Good job on the video. I need to use that tray for the screws.
Thank you. I am glad you enjoyed the video! That tray has definitely cut down on the time I spend crawling on the floor searching with a flashlight! = )
Excellent job. I learned what I needed to know. Thanks. New subscriber.
Thanks for watching Kent! I'm so glad to hear this vid helped and to have you on board.
Thanks to this video I was able to maintenance my 2020.
Thanks for watching Calvin and i am so glad this was able to help you. Enjoy your 2020. I'm sure it will keep you happy for decades to come!
Axels of drivers should each have a tiny drop of oil 20 w also a tiny drop on crank pins. Saves a lot of wear. This is per the old Lionel Instructions.
Thank you for that video I have a engine like that from my father
Great, clear, to the point video!
Thank you for this video you’re a life saver!
No Problem. Thank you for watching!
That's cool Father and Son thanks for sharing!!!!
Thank you for watching William. Yes its nice to share this hobby with my son. He really seems to be into them too. So maybe there will be anotehr generation of Lionel fans in the family!
Thankyou
I literally started this today on my 50+ year old 671. I saw another video that talked about cleaning out the worm gear. I got stuck at trying to remove the 'WORM COVER (POSTWAR PART # 671-183)' part. It appears to be a piece of steel or something covering up the worm gear. I was hoping to see you address that in your video, but your 681 doesn't seem to have that. Have you seen that part in a 671? If so do you just pry it off? I was hesitant to put too much pressure on it, I've never opened up the engine before.
BTW, I too like your tray for screws.
Thanks for watching! That is correct, the 681 doesn't have that piece so I can not say from personal experience. I have seen the plate you are talking about online, and when looking at the part itself, there doesn't seem to be any thing like tabs or clips on it, Greenberg Lionel repair book shows it just sits there I'm wondering if its magnetic? It looks like it should just lift out. That being said, that worm gear would be a place that would get alot of grease so if the plate isn't coming out easily, it could also be "stuck" in place by old grease. I have had parts held tight because of old grease (mixed with decades of old carpet fibers, pet hair and lint).
@@warrenmuzakpostwarguy4331 Thanks for the reply. I actually said 'what the heck' and took some pliers and started wiggling it gently. It came off pretty easily. Yep, it just sits on a ledge on top of the worm gear.
i have the clifton and the observation car im missing the elizabeth and newark. i also own a 2020 turbine and man its a tank i run it but the motor stays clean casue i dont run it much. i have a collection of postwar lionel trains. my oldest set is from 1946 lionel 224 steamer with e cars it came with missing the box car.
Nice set of cars to have. Maybe pull that back plate off once a year to check for carbon build up, it will happen and it does effect the performance. Its harder to notice when a 2020 slows down because they are SUCH strong pullers. It does happen though. Keep em rolling!
Hi any advice would be appreciated.
I have a lionel 681 locomotive but the wire which connects to the light bulb has broken off.
Is it a case of just resoldering it back in the spot it broke off from?
Yep. Just solder it back onto the same tab. On the eunit there is a tab where you find the main power wire, light and smoke unit going to. Thats where it should go.
Hello, I have a question, I bought a used turbine. The guy said it was a bad worm on the end of the motor. I took the motor out n it's not the motor. The first blind driver will not turn. I'm wondering if it's OK to remove the driver(s) to see why it's not turning. All the rest turn freely. Thanks for your opinion. 😊
Thats what I would be doing. If all the rest turn freely you'll have to see what "gremlin" is hold onto that one wheel. My guess is a clump of dried 60 year old grease, pet hair and carpet fibre (hint of shag). Let me know how that turns out.
OK, there wasn't any grease, hair,or carpet fibers. It is the bearing. It was/is frozen to the axle. I took a hammer n knocked out the axle n bearing. The bearing is stuck on the axle real tight. I couldn't find a replacement bearing on ebay for the turbine, but there was a turbine chassis available. With everything, but smoke unit n headlight. Thanks for helping. Hope I can pick your brain again in the future!? Thanks again 😊
I have my fathers 681, the car with coal behind it, a refrigerated dairy car that moves and pushes out a milk jug, and several other cars [ no control or track to test them out ] Is there any kind of serial number to tell me what year it was made?
Hi Jason. Thanks for watching. The complete info for your 681 can be found here: www.tandem-associates.com/lionel/lionel_trains_681_loco.htm
You can find the car on this website too. They all have a number on them, usually on the side somewhere. In some cases right where it says "made by lionel". Of course after play and decades of dust and dirt the numbers can be hard to see.
If the train was always your fathers, its likey it was a set and safe to say its in the 1950 - 1953 range.
Hope this helps!
@jasontaylor9871 Did you figure out what years they are from..?
If not, just google them...
Example - Lionel 681 (Google)
If you still need help, verifying any of them, lmk, I'll help you out.
The front of the loco, 681 is called a BOILER FRONT - not a face plate. I can see from the pink wire to the head light that this wire has been replaced by a previous owner. The original wire was black. The black thing that holds the brushes os called a BRUSH plate - not a back plate. You should learn the proper parts nomenclature of the trains that you are working on.