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- A student was accused of plagiarism, so the Minister of Higher Education took her all the way to the supreme court. Then the Minister of Higher Education was found to have plagiarized her dissertation.
#norway #plagiarism
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One day after releasing this video, the Minister of Health and Care Services Ingvild Kjerkol was dismissed by the Prime Minister. Her university found that she had cheated with intent, and plagiarized her Master's dissertation. She will continue as a top-level Labour Party politician. She insists she was treated "just as any student" but had 5 meetings with university leadership accompanied by a political consultant helping her manage the scandal, which is something I do not think regular students have access to.
Article in Norwegian here: www.nrk.no/norge/hoy-aktivitet-pa-statsministerens-kontor_-men-ingen-avklaring-for-ingvild-kjerkol-1.16840980
Also, the finance crimes investigation into Ola Borten Moe was also dropped:
www.khrono.no/henlegger-etterforskning-mot-ola-borten-moe/861737
I think she'll still stay as a minister, she's not very willing to let go.
I think she's going to appeal instead of quitting
that sounds kinda dumb
If even more develops I'd love to see a "part 2" kind of update :)
And now Kjerkol has resigned as Minister of Health. Really unlucky timing, but an excellent video nonetheless! Greetings from Fredrikstad.
If a student is "self plagiarizing" from an exam that wasn't accepted because they failed the first one, I don't see the problem. The plagiarized work doesn't exist. Its not the same as plagiarizing from from a published work.
Even if they were plagiarizing from a published work, if it's theirs they have the right to do it
@@giulianopisciottano8302Yes but then it's actually relevant because you can be perceived as obfuscating the source of your claims or quotes. It's less serious than usual plagiarism sure but you still want to give everyone access to where you're cribbing from to ensure transparency and that people know where to learn more. It isn't like a creative work
@@giulianopisciottano8302 did you even watch the video
The reason you can't plagiarise from past exams, whether they passed or failed, is because it has already been marked and possibly critiqued by a teacher. It's equivalent to retaking a multiple choice exam after getting your marks back, knowing all the answers you got right, and getting to try again the ones you got wrong.
@@senlim8461hardly, a dissertation isn't a multiple choice and authors and students have their own writing style.
The whole point of education is to improve, so you are supposed to amend mistakes and take on board what teachers tell you.
Effectively the heavily punished student used a copy/paste of 2 own paragraphs created on her own course, rather than re-generate her own work from scratch and create enough difference to pass the electronic filter flagging pasting. Sometimes re-creation by an author making the same points as best they can would naturally share huge similarity.
This becomes a performative exercise, the student would need to check the redone work passes the test.
Random changes to a working computer program would actually be a sign of plagiarism, hiding copyright breach. So there is weak logic about fishing for repetition of sentences and paragraphs.
Fundamentally some common sense needed to be applied.
That the high education minister had used sources, other people's work, verbatim to produce her dissertation and would have got away with it, doesn't surprise me.
But that wholesale lifting of work is very different, actual appropriation of others' work as own.
Somehow your strict test example means editors and proof readers, or errata submitted by readers, invalidate a work and rather than incorporate the suggestions it should ludicrously be re-written most likely introducing new errors and use unclear obfuscated language to avoid "self plagiarism".
I yearn to live in a society with scandals like this, instead of ones like the wholesale theft of EU subsidies or pardoning the right hand of a child predator.
I really dislike this sentiment, not Nordic but as a Dutchman my country also happily gets thrown onto the wholesome chungus socdem welfare state pile, and I have to say our political system is as broken as it has ever been in the last 200 years, our political class consists exclusively out of the most idiotic thieves we've ever seen and none of the systemic issues are being acknowledged, let alone addressed, and the same goes for every country in Europe, including the Scandinavian ones. We're not fucking doing good either bro
@@maesterchris2120 privatization of welfare system, public transport, water and electricity was the worst thing our country the Netherlands could have done.
Edit: Some sectors of society should be managed by the government if they are essential to society.
My government tried to deport some citizens who helped rebuild after WW2 because they were black. They won an election after that too.
@@PlatinumAltariadamn, what country?
@@maesterchris2120i mean norway is actually doing better than a lot of other european countries, but we certainly have bigger issues than plagiarism.
The biggest surprise in this whole thing is that there were actual consequences and investigations for illegal shenanigans instead of just being handwaved and shoved under the rug.
The second biggest surprise was hearing the Norwegian names spoken and making me very thankful Norwegians aren't real and are only a cover story for Santa's workshop.
Big Santa wants to keep us dumb WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Actual consequences? Sure sure, just don't check what consequences Erna Solberg, leader of the party "Høyre" got for insider trading together with her husband.
Can confirm. Made an "Erasmus" year in Norway. The first semester I was enslaved in Santas toy factory. After I had become weak from malnourishment Santas elves send me to the mines for the second semester.
Please save me. I'm 24 and I've been a fisher for 30 years to feed the elves in the workshop with the cheapest form of sustenance santa can get his fat, oily hands on.
Chauby dau, baudy bau, bondi bou bau, BORK BORK BORK
"self-plagiarism" doesn't even properly apply to the initial situation. This is an exam, not a public study or in any way something that other people would use as reference material. This goes entirely against the spirit of the concept and just stamps it on a situation in a completely irrelevant way.
I don't know how it is elswhere in the world but I'm fairly sure that in Norway master thesises are made public by default - mine certainly was. They're not published as such but they are kept by the univerity's library and available to anybody who wants to read and use them.
These cases are not only about self-plagiarism btw. At least some of them also includes a serious amount of uncredited quotes from other sources. One of them, Ingvild Kjerkol's, is beginning to look almost like a pure cut-and-paste work with 43% of the text identified as taken from other people's works.
@@tessjuel Yeah, but if I understood it correctly the student who was initially accused of plagiarism was doing a take-home exam, not a thesis
@@hannesw8436yeah that's where I got confused. If it's not peer reviewed research, then what's the problem? If you're doing research with similar parameters it would be hard not to plagiarise yourself. Is it just because the failed exam had been through their plagiarism AI, so it got flagged? So confused.
@@maryjanedodo Exams are evaluating the student’s original(!) work and even your own ideas and work are only original once. Hence, you need to cite your own prior material if you reuse it, just as you cite other people’s material.
Hence, the issue is not about whether the material has been previously published, but whether it has been previously officially evaluated incl. in another exam.
@@DebatingWombat That's just nitpicking. What are you going to cite? "Some exam I did in the past"?
I always knew Norway was ripping off Sweden by existing smh
yeah we are ripping off your crime inducing immigration issues as well. not a huge fan living here anymore.
@@shiytpthe safest part of europe is the balkans i guess 🫣 no arabs or blacks 😍😍😍
@@shiytp you're certainly right about that
- another Swede
@@shiytp That is because Norway was homogenous for so long that they have no clue how to do immigration. As someone who has lived in Norway as an immigrant I can say Norwegian treatment of immigrants is abhorrent. By the way I lived there as a child so these examples do not apply to me.
My dad was hired as consultant in the petroleum industry. He came to Norway with over 30 years of experience. Norwegian graduates fresh out of university didn't want to listen to him because he was a foreigner. My father didn't even encounter this in a secular country like Saudi Arabia. A co-worker of my father, who worked there during a different time period, encountered the same treatment.
Lastly a study was done that demonstrated many Norwegian employers will hire a less qualified Norwegian over a more qualified immigrant. How about providing immigrants with equal opportunity in the hiring process and maybe they won't turn to crime. Immigrants didn't come to Norway to just clean your toilets, they have dreams and aspirations to, and they do not want to live off Norway's welfare system for their entire lives.
I expect like most Norwegians you will be unable to accept this criticism. I find it ironic how Norwegians don't want to accept criticism from foreigners but love to dish out their opinions about the United States (I'm Canadian and not American by the way).
Im sorry what? Are you been a jealous agian? Why dont you just press the swedish button.
As a french, having your politicians stepping down for this is mindboggling. Here they would just shrug it off and refuse to talk about it. Nothing would happend and they would hold they position as usual.
Same thing in Germany.
Most of the time they still keep high position in their parties, might even very well come back as a minister later. At least it's something though.
@@KitteridgeStudios Pretty sure they shun you in CDU and SPD if you turn out to have a non-plagiarized thesis.
here in america we have politicians making millions of dollars off insider trading and a literal sex trafficker matt gates who took a 17 year old across state borders for sex and he’s still in office 😂 i wish we could all be like norway.
Same in Portugal 😅
Since Ramadan is over I WILL be gooning to this!
I want this on a t-shirt so bad lol
That's an amazing comment
Happy Eid
Inshallah I one day attain such Based Insights
this is one of the funniest comments ive ever seen omg
"People talk a lot about how strong the social safety net is that's provided to every Norwegian citizen. But people talk less about the far stronger safety net provided to the average politician"
That's so true. The safety net provided to an average politician might as well be a trampoline of sorts : they bounce right back to the top after falling on it, while the net provided to an average joe hurts when you fall on it, and you need to climb back up bearing the shame of having fell.
Those are just the mechanics of power, the closer you are yo it the higher you go after each fall, and after some time you can only fail upwards...
JFC - self-plagiarism is a problem if published in scientific journals, and in any open, scientific work that counts for job evaluation, grants, etc. It is NOT AT ALL a problem during a written EXAM, which is a self-enclosed show of skill. ESPECIALLY if she reiterated and build upon the work that she previously submitted. This is INSANE standard, and anti-educational practice!
Then site the source.
@@einsibongo what? Source: "My own previous exam, that I did write, which is an inaccessible, unverifiable black-box, which for all other intents and purposes outside the exam, doesn't exist."
Yeah I presume this was only discoverable because of a plagiarism AI flagged it as something familiar. If it wasn't published previously, you can't cite it.
@@inopes3628 Uhm, yes. And the material does exist, hence why the plagiarism software can detect it. It’s a type of grey literature, but you need to cite those kinds of sources too.
Exams look at original work - and even your own work is only original once. Prior work has already been evaluated (usually by at least one examiner and a censor).
I’ve looked at some online exam systems and the students themselves tick off that the work they have submitted is not only their own, but original, and that any derivative material is properly cited, so that’s the legal basis for sanctions.
Looking at self-plagiarism is standard practice not only in Norway but in other countries too and students are often explicitly reminded of the need to cite their own prior work in cases where the risk of self-plagiarism is high.
@@DebatingWombat no, you CAN’T treat this like that, because that’s nonsensical:
She was taking the SAME exam, so she’d improve upon her first attempt, to present something of a passing quality.
Of course that you’d restate your observations and reiterate.
It IS another attempt at the same thing, where previous one didn’t count.
It is like when you send your paper to peer review.
If you get desk reject, and resubmit somewhere else: it’s NOT self-plagiarism!
If they send your work back for amendments, etc, and you end up changing a significant part of it - the first copy that you’ve send, is not an original work in a sense, that it’s treated entirely on its own, separately from next iterations, you shouldn’t cite it, and it’s explicitly NOT a case of self-plagiarism.
It would be mindlessly stupid to treat it as if it were.
And this in principle, does map onto the case of second attempt at the exam!
I love the fact that in the UK we have a government that embezzled billions of pounds and our press is desperately trying to avoid talking about it and ministers that break the law with impunity, but in Norway a minister copying her homework is scandal! Keep doing what you're doing Norway, we love you, you give us hope.
Props to Fredda for immersing himself so deep in the story as to learn and become so fluent in Norwegian it equates to native, change his address to Norway, change his birthplace to a Norwegian hospital and become a son of Norwegian parents.
Honestly, speaking as a Canadian, Norweign political scandals seem to be small potatoes Forcing a politician to resign for plagiarism? IN Ontario, we still have a housing minister who allowed a political aide to redraw the boundaries of Toronto's green belt . A dozen friends of the premier would have benefited to the tune of over 8 billion C$. Please let us know if Norway has a scandal on that scale . Until then, we Canadians will continue to see Norway as being well-governed
By the gods.. Your blatant disregard of the rampant lack of citations is frankly disturbing. Absolutely shameless.
@@haerverk Said the one with "vandalism" as a user name...
Basically all politicians here in Russia have plagiarised thesis 😂
Condolences for your educational system from a romanian who has the same issues in his country with the politicians 😢
some RAS officials do as well. in academia, it rarely matters what your academic skills are, it is the social connections that matter
We know.
There is only one thesis in Russia and every politician copies it. :-)
That would be the least of their problems though.
As a Norwegian I am appaled by the level of out politicians. Awful behaviour from the people who are supposed to be role models.
They’re just doing what everyone else is doing. The yearn to achieve high status is sky high in Norway, nothing is off-limits. We’re so fake, it’s not even funny.
As someone who keeps an eye on American politics and half an eye on whatever the hell is going on in the UK, presenting a plagiarised dissertation as a scandal proving that Norway's still not perfect comes off as kind of comical. If anything I'd say the story with Tor Mikkel Wara comes closest to showing that Norway isn't immune to the nonsense that permeates politics in the media.
I wish that was our biggest scandals in Bulgaria :(
There have/are bigger scandals that happened here aswell. However it was swept under the rug. Recently it was revealed that the husband of the previous prime minister of Norway was doing inside trading of stocks and making lots of money of of it thanks to his wife being the prime minister of Norway. However neither one of them ever saw any punishment for this and it just sortof "dissapeared" from the publics attention...
Enjoy capitalism. You reap what your sowed, Bulgarian.
@@so_cold7776 God, I wish that was our biggest scandal in Pakistan :(
@@so_cold7776 Well, at least you know about it. Here, you won't even know that it happened... I'm not trying to say Norway is perfect, but even if you look only from the negative side, Norway is still way better than Bulgaria could ever possibly be.
The funny thing about the trading scandel, was that the investigation showed he would have earned more by just placing the money in a fund.
It also seemed clear his trading was a form of gambling addiction, it was quite insane of an amount of trading in short bursts.
Finally I'm going to find out what crime the cute blue-clar lady committed. I can't wait.
She did unethical pranks
@@sanderenger5742 what's her name?
Sandra Borch is the worst of the bad. She is one who has the grace of audacity and are now chairman of the justice committee at the Parlament. Ewery thing are a joke in Norway!
Really want to thank you Fredda for choosing to cover what is for many a obscure topic. I get the risks of talking about Norwegian politics on youtube, but I am so happy you did, and that it's someone as talented as you that will bring our politics to an international audience. Keep it up!
And you really should do a whole deep-dive into the many scandals of FrP, it's the biggest circus in town and highlights the scandal-blindness of the right to such a degree. I mean, I'm glad you mention the Wara scandal, but god, it's so much stranger than what a 15 second blurb can ever convey.
It’s the same with Sverige Demokraterna (SD) in Sweden. They have some insane scandals as well that are always conveniently forgotten about
In a bit of the same vein I think it would be really interesting if you made a video about the Terra scandal in Norway
Yeah. They yell a lot about the crimes by immigrants, but the political representatives of FrP have a higher crime rate than most groups in society.
Some examples: Severe speeding leading to loss of licence (happened to some several times), headbutting an immigrant, a fat guy buying hookers, intercourse with 15 year old boy, indecent beaviour to several boys, whitewashing of millions of kroner, embezzlement of money, illegal possession of guns (some of which were used to play russian roulette), abuse of travel-compensation payment (to be fair, several parties politicians did that one) severe fraud, murder, severe threats with guns and so on.
These are all things FrP-politicians have been convicted of, most of them parliamentary reps, and this is just a small portion of it.
“Okay, one last video before bed.”
Five hours later: “Hmm yes quite, the infamous Norwegian Plagiarism Scandal.”
I absolutely take your point about the rest of the world putting Scandinavian countries on a pedestal, but I also must note that pretty much everything in the highlight reel of scandals at the end has happened to politicians here in Australia and they don't even face the consequence of stepping down
I had a plagiarism case when i was attending university, and it was dump for more a multitide of reasons. I solved an advanced math problem , in an assignment, in a different way than the teacher and books tried to teach us. I showed every step of the way how i did it etc. Another student had stumpled upon the same way of solving the problem, and found it alot more intuitive aswell (like me), and solved it the same way. We booth got accused for plagiarism, since we were not allowed to make the assigenments together (even though we didn't), which they could see from the rest of the assignment, since they differed.
Furthermore the other student and i barelly knew eachother.
Self-plagiarism is a problem in articles that will be published. It is irrelevant in exams, which are never published.
Masters theses can be published. Not failed ones, though.
@@asumazilla Are they published directly? Aren't they published as peer-reviewed articles? That's the way it is usually done in the US. Apart from the copy that goes into the local library.
In any case, the conflict here seems to be the transfer of a segment from an exam, not her actual final thesis.
@CptFugu They're published directly and often can be found online and indexed by search engines. These are examined, so the review process would be by the examiners who suggest revisions. Older theses are often digitised. These are often easier to read than a dense paper because they're written for a more general audience. In US it's common to have these available as well as the papers. Each chapter would cover the information presented in a paper approximately.
The whole idea of "self-plagiarism" is both illogical and borderline totalitarian
@@maddyg3208 It makes a kind of wicked sense in academia. There people are (should be) evaluated on their merits so the number of (original) contributions to their field is a big thing in terms of assessing productivity and promotion potential.
Self-plagiarism allows a person to bloat their record with redundant publications rather than novel research. That would make it even more difficult than it is to sort through humanity's knowledge base when you are looking for background information or the current state of technology/research on a field. Think of it as sabotage by obstructionism.
But then again, it is ridiculous to apply the standard to an exam. Specially in the case of someone taking it a second time. It looks like a case of bureaucrats applying a rule they don't understand.
The difference to other nations is, that norvegian politicians actually step down after found guilty ..... and not continue the scam ...
Your talk at the end is the exact conversation I have had with people all over the world, who have sadly been tricked into thinking the nordics is near perfection and that we have figuered it all out. There is so much "minor" corruption and different treatment between the people and politicans that it is disgusting. Tusen takk for making this video and lets hope for a future where Norways corruption and special treatment of politicians can finally be confronted and removed. La oss kjempe for en bedre fremtid, ikke for oss, men for våre barn!
I wish Swedish politicians would actually step down. These days they just brazenly say they've done nothing wrong and wait until the next scandal takes all the air in the room, where upon the public (no small thanks to the media) forgets about the previous one. You'll get there too, Norway, in due time.
We have the same problem in Iceland.
Our standing government for the past 3 years has been a disaster.
The minister of finance was found to be engaging in insider trading with his father and instead of stepping down became the minister of foreign affairs which led to worse problems as he didn't handle Israel-palestine well which cause a stir for a good month. This man is also the leader of the largest party in Iceland.
In other areas of the government the minister of food banned the hunting of whales right as whale hunting season was starting which was in clear violation of Icelandic law if not the constitution which cost laborers working in the industry money that they desperately needed in this abysmal economy that the government created and gave them no time to find alternative jobs to support their families for the coming months and it gave the owner of the single whaling company in Iceland the right to sue the Icelandic state for billions of isk which will come out of our pockets. The opposition parties have tried to oust her from the government for her clear violations but the government protects her.
Now that I've explained some of the problems with the current government I'll explain to you the current problem with the government.
Next year we have presidential elections and our current beloved president is not up for re-election which has caused quite a stir since we don't really want him to stop being president.
Add onto that the fact that the prime minister announced her candidacy meaning she had to resign as prime minister and resign as the leader of her political party the left greens and leave her party as the president by law and custom has to be unaffiliated with politics and represent the entire nation.
In effect she dissolved the government in what I consider disgrace now the old government former a new government with the minister of foreign affairs as the prime minister which as you can recall was ousted as the minister of finance literally last year and was heavily criticized as the minister of foreign affairs this year.
The old prime Minister and current presidential candidate also left her party after polls showed that the party has lost all of it's support and would not be able to send even a single man into parliament if elections were held now which they should have been considering the dissolution of the government.
Rant done.
Yeah, Erna Solberg and her governement are/were the same
@@NoriStori02 Our coalition government was an absolute joke as well, as is the current government. One guy of our conservative party joined the government straight from being the editor of a major corporate-friendly newspaper to becoming state secretary, was immediately caught having illegally fished endangered eel, denied that he had done it, only for Facebook posts to surface where he literally brags about fishing eel illegally and having lied to the police - once he was caught red-handed with a bucket of eel in his boat and told the cops that he was "checking them for glass shards", like he was concerned about their health - and only after months of ridicule did he decide to leave his post and return to being a propagandist but this time at the largest right-wing think tank in Sweden. The entirety of modern politics has been an absolute clown show.
Not about plagiarism, but another case of Scandinavian democracy also having its issues, this time from Denmark.
Danish MP and former minister for immigration and integration Inger Støjberg was impeached by parliament in December 2021, and subsequently found guilty for breaking the law of ministerial responsibility. She had made an instruction as minister in 2016, that separated couples (some married, some not) at asylum centers from each other, if one or both were under the age of 18. This was done on the pretext of stopping what she characterized as "child brides/child marriages". This was both unconstitutional and in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights, as none of the cases were individually assessed under this instruction.
The case had been subjected to a investigative commission from January 2020 to April 2021, which concluded that Støjberg had ignored warnings by her own ministry, and had been aware of the illegality of the instruction. During this time, Støjberg would falsely call the commission "the child bride commission" (it was officially named "the instruction commission") in media interviews, in an attempt to shift the focus from the question of her abuse of office. She made up a Trump-like false narrative about the whole case, claiming she was being the target of a witch hunt for trying to stop child marriages. Many of her core constituents ended up supporting this narrative, and still do to this day.
She was sentenced to 60 days in prison, which she served at home with an electronic anklet. She left her party of the time (since they had voted for the impeachment), went on to found her own party, and ran in the subsequent election of November 2022, where she got the second most personal votes. Her party got 14 seats (of 175 total seats).
In my opinion, it its worrisome that politicians can be sentenced for intentionally mismanaging their offices, and then be able to run for office immediately afterwards. Støjberg was actively trying to undermine the judicial process by repeatedly misrepresenting the core issue of the case in the media, thereby shifting blame from herself. She did all this from her platform as vice chairperson of the, at the time, 2nd largest political party in Denmark (Venstre), and as a member parliament. One can argue she succeeded in this endeavour, since enough people voted for her in 22 to sort of vindicate her actions. Most worrisome, in my opinion, with the 2022 election being extremely close, there was a real chance of her and her party being part of a coalition government, and a decent chance for her to become minister of justice.
There should be a temporary ban from running for parliament, lets say a term (4 years in Denmark), if you have been found guilty of abuse or mismanagement of office. Like how we need a cool-down period for politicians when they leave politics for the private sector, often getting a lucrative position in a company that has benefited from their lawmaking.
If you are interested in other questionable cases in danish politics, I can recommend the current farce we got in the high command of the armed forces, the ministry of defence and the military procurement board (Search for "Elbit sagen" and "Fregat-fadæsen"), or one of the MANY cases of former prime minister and current foreign minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen.
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Well at very least we don’t have a charged attempted coup politician that is now destined for a trial for fraud for bribing a porn star… yeah I really like our small issues in Scandinavia democracy 😅
What’s wrong with that? The Muslims do child marriages
Well atleast they step down in Norway in germany they dont step down and get promoted. Just look at Ursula von der Leyen as an example and the scandals she has been involved in its insane.
Well Former Minister of Foreign affairs Anniken Huitfeldt Was promoted to Become the Norwegian ambassador to the us after a Scandal
@@PeterBuvik I wouldnt really call Ambassador a promotion. In germany they make you chancellor or send you to a high ranking eu position.
You say this but the case is they don’t really step down, they simply withdraw from one postion and move up to the next one.
It’s a real problem here in Norway now politicians are like their own class they protect and use nepotism with each other. They keep on recruiting their friends and associates to positions.
Real consequences would be if they had to step down from public office for a while.
I refuse to believe that’s a real name, and not some evil necromancer from your D&D campaign.
@@bendkok Tbf she does look like a Vampire Count from Warhammer.
cant wait to hear bout norweigan drama as a man from flordia 🗣🗣🗣
Things I have learned in this video:
1. Norway holds politicians accountable for their actions (sometimes, better than a lot of governments).
2. Norwegian sounds really cool.
No persons in power here is held accountable for anything, it is all a show. All these corrupt politicians just goes to another position, that is all. The system protects itself. Norway is one of the most corrupt sh**hole countries you can think of, taxpayer money is wasted like a drunken sailors money on leave.
Your not gone like all 3... Dont forget we have very high price for food, and limited goods even in Oslo and then theres NUMOURSE issues where Norway does have the money, but saves it for future generations.. Which may or may not come..
Norway is a completely boring and insanely expensive fairytale land which is totally irrelevant. Trust me I'm Swedish.
@@Carloshache Still better than Denmark which is just an elaborate prank some bored lads from Skåne have pulled. Regards: a Finn
@@oz_jones as a skåning I can confirm
From my experience in the countries that I've known about, watching this be told straight-faced seems nearly farcial. In South Africa, the previous president (Jacob Zuma) was imprisoned for 18 months for contempt of court during a corruption trial, one which has been lasting for 15 years, starting before his presidency and contuining to this day. Previously he had been charged with rape, which he was acquitted of, in which he stated that sexual activity was consensual, and although he knew the alleged victim had HIV, he stated that he showered afterwards to reduce the likelihood of him catching HIV. Years ago, Zuma used public money to build a swimming pool on his private residence which he called a 'fire pool' for firefighting purposes if a fire broke out. In 2024, his party apologised for lying to the public. After Apartheid ended, over 30 MPs were convicted of making up fictitious travels to secure government recompense. In 2009, a highly effective anti-corruption unit of the police was shut down after the highly-corrupt ruling ANC stated that it could be used as a tool to investigate politicians, and therefore needed greater oversight by politicians. The ruling ANC is accepted to be corrupt, leading to an ineffective electricity-providing service which leads most of South Africa to be in the dark at all times but as few as a few hours a day for days in a row.
When other countries say that Norway has it 'all figured out', this is what they mean. Notoriously corrupt Jacob Zuma finished nearly 9 years in office, never resigning or stepping down, despite participation in scandal after scandal. Making a facebook post alleging your opposition cares more for terrorists than national security, or the entire plagiarism case, is nearly benign in comparison to what some countries have to deal with.
People also don't really pay to much attention to the disaster the ''Child Protective Service'' is in Norway, with many families having to even flee from Norway to avoid having their children taken whit out any just cause.
Personally been in that system and witnessed first hand how it operates at its best and worst.
Just the fact that Norway has been condemned by European Parliament for being in breach of human rights multiple times should rise some red flags.
the CPS in norway is pure evil, got me into years of trouble as a kid. Got out of it lucky though, we were able to talk ourselves out of it because they were making up shit about how well i had it. Was prepeared to fight it out at home though, glad nothing came of it.
As Norwegian, I have learned something from this scandal: ALWAYS GET YOUR SOURCES RIGHT!
Thank you so much for this, I’m American living in Norway and I am so lost in this scandal
Today I realised I could listen to Fredda explain to me the process by which paint dries and enjoy it.
As a Norwegian, i both love and hate our politics.
Its so dreadfully boring when this happens it gets the first page.
But on the other hand, this is about the largest drama we have over here.
Be fucking thankful, protect that boredom with your life - Swede here giving you the thumb up.
Like I wrote on the Cataclysm Stream, being a Politician shouldn't be a Job.
Like it should be Workers in the Parliaments who represent their field and areas and not some Elite of Politician who can just quit and sit on their wealth.
So Politics should be more accessible for Workers to participate, who only do it to represent their field and Help their fellow Citizens it would be way better.
And yes I know it's Idealistic but we can achieve everything if we push for it.
Thanks for the great content again Fredda. As regards the Scandis having it all worked out - a key difference between Scandinavians and my native Ireland seems to be that the Scandinavian politicians actually stand down whereas in Ireland they usually don't even bother. Incidentally, the first time I ever heard the name of Joe Biden was back when I was in college and we had a lecture on the dangers of plagiarism. They project a picture of Joe on the board and say "whatever you do don't be like this idiot. Running for president of the USA years ago when it emerged that he plagiarised back in college. It ruined his life."
Same here in Germany. It's gotten so openly corrupt over the last ten years. Last federal election was literally a pick-your-poison between three incompetent buffoons, two of which (Armin Laschet, CDU, and now chancellor Olaf Scholz, SPD) literally are overtly known white-collar criminals. I remember over ten years ago our minister of defence (Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg) was found to have plagiarized in his dissertation, which led to him resigning. Fast forward a few years ago, the mayor of Berlin (Franziska Giffey) was found to have plagiarized in her disseration, then lied about it, pledged to step down if it was found to be plagiarized and then didn't actually follow through with that pledge when she lost her academic degree because the plagiarism was proven. Also, in 2021, her master's degree thesis was also found out to be plagiarized.
yeaaaa not exactly. The head of the conservative party here in Norway was involved in insider trading and has faced no consequences.
Talking about politicians' academic shenanigans reminds me of how the former leader of the conservative People's Party, here in Spain, was found to have essentially bought his university and master's degree.
He did not resign after this, though, he just got kicked out later because his party performed abysmally and they decided a change of leading face would be a good idea.
Me, an American: wow, you guys have politicians who resign after a scandal?
We have a pretty translucent and small society, and trust issues can be devastating for the working parties in the government. That does however not imply that those politicians can't come back and serve as a minister in a different ministry at a later point of their careers.
They do, in Norway, apparently. Across the border, in Sweden, we don't. At least not anymore.
I have already lost count of everyone who has resigned the past 3 years. So yes. The government is almost entirely shifted out as we speak 😅
Hello Fredda,
I understand that this may not be read by you, but if it is, would you please do a video about the current societal satisfaction of Norway, whether it is high or low, and whether the majority of people of younger age believe that Norway has changed? I request this because I have heard great things about Norway and am considering moving to Norway from Dallas, Texas, USA. Should I not get my hopes up, or should I not come at all due to any potential political change?
Thank you for your time.
For what you say at the end.
I mean yesteryear I was reminded that nothing really has changed in the eyes of the government in how they look upon us sámi. With the whole human rights violations and that instead of learning from it and making different decisions they figured that they'd aim for more human rights violations.
Ingvild Kjerkol resigned within 24 hours of this video's publication. Incredible work! Honestly put a smile on my face haha
When talking about prominent politicians who stepped down I will add Bjørnar Moxnes stepping down as leader of the "Red(far left)" party for stealing sunglasses from an airport shop and lying about it despite being filmed on a CCTV camera.
While he was not a government minister, true, he was an elected official representing the people in Parliament.
(He did not step down as an elected minister of parliament because I think that's technically not possible after being elected in Norway.)
Vennligst fortsett med slike videoer som er relevant for oss her i Norge, nærmest ingen internasjonalt dekker dette.
This is nuts!!!
The problem is the excess of publishing, and the scope escalation that has happened since personal computers with word processing software started to become ubiquitous. In one sense it makes it easier to churn pages of mostly redundant dribble, but it's also pressuring people to accept wider scopes for their work assignments and papers.
There are many ways that word processing software became a bane of academics, scope creep, increased content fluffing, and increase of rate of production, this has led to a decrease in the overall relevance of most of the work.
I started my first year in university and reports were still being done on a typewriter, and sometimes on a shared PC. I remember when it became more common to use a word processor the number of pages per work just exploded. And very often the scope of the work would also increase. And that meant that assignments would eat away time required for studying for exams.
Yeah... Technology doesn't always make things better.
I am writing to you from the "happiest country on Earth" for the six past years to underline and agree with what you said about the Nordics, the manufactured public image of us and the consequences of being a "model nation". Many stories similar to the ones you have shared could be told about Finland. On the topic of history specifically, I think we are far more confused about our own than the glowing brand of Finnish education would have one believe.
This has been very insightful since despite being grouped together as Nordics, I feel there is not as much intercommunication about internal affairs. Or at least not much reaches Finland.
Compared to other parts of the world our standards for corruption are way up in the clouds. Being a Swede, I would love for those same standards to still exist here.
My first class in my University was Research Metgods and first class was all about plagiarism . Teacher just explained what it is , how to avoid it , what are the consequances of it and why it is wrong. This just makes me think "Is that why class started with this topic?"
I get to watch the premier of a Fredda video, it’s almost enough to shed a tear 🥲
Herr Fredda jag är redo
Kroppen min er beredt
In Norway corruption has been institutionalized and regulated to the point that the politicians, public servants and public employees live in a different world than the people. They don't see anything wrong with how they abuse power to serve themselves
What? You have prof for this from valid sources or are they all "in on it"?
So the worst payed jobs in the country are used to enrich themselves so much that they escape to the private sector the first oppurtunity they get?😅
Well, even that is more consequences than what politicians face in my country (Spain): Here, if a politician is caught doing plagiarism, nothing happens, or they even get promoted.
As a Brazilian living in the US, this is the least scandalous scandal I have ever heard. This and the Danish mink scandals are are tie at first place
i despise anyone who criticises Norway's peacefulness by calling it "boring"
you should be thankful every day that you dont live in 95% of countries that have real problems
It's a human right to repeat yourself until someone gets the point.
Sandra Borch asked Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre to be allowed to step down only hours after she was found to have plagiarize her work. She still told whoever listening she was innocent, but she didn't put up a fight. Ingvild Kjerkol refused to take into account the accusations, but after uit.no concluded plagiarism was undoubtful, Støre "informed her it was best if she stepped down", as they said. She has appealed the case, though, but she's no longer a minister and with some luck, never become one again. Both lost their master's degrees. Borch has started studying again to regain her degree, which is fair, but I'm quite sure it'll be scrutinized when or if she finishes it.
She looks so good, but she behaves so bad. Normally I would say that's my type of girl, but going after the integrity of the scientific process itself is unforgivable.
my first thought too was wow, what a milf
i guess if you're into "trans" "women"
I am 10000% in favour of legal punishment against politicans. They should not be held to the same standards as normal people, they chose to be politicians and they can at any time choose to stop. They must be held to a higher standard. I have ADHD and autism, I had two panic attacks last summer due to a single exam. I managed my way through had my world being shattered by failing me, finding out that they rated the wrong exam, getting pass with my actual exam, and then develop a brand new Sociological theory on suicide. I did all of that deapite my handicaps. What are their excuses for copying other people's work? They were just lazy! And chose fraud over hardwork. It should have been a fraud case. She knew that she had earned her diploma on false premises, she knew what she was doing, it was fraud as simple as that.
Although one thing I am wondering about the psy-op (my Norwegian relatives kept me from thinking of Norway as a perfect country) is that there's increasingly an exception, Sweden seems to be increasingly talked about as on the verge of collapse/civil war, since even the sources that don't blame all of Sweden's ills on immigration do seem to increasingly claim Sweden is a massive hotbed for crime and how its not safe to be a woman in Sweden (or at least a Swedish City) due to the ever present danger of [2 Samuel 13:14] from either "Islamic gangs"/"East European gangs"/"Drug Cartel gangs"/"Far Right gangs" depending on which pundit is talking.
Is there a reason that discourse seems to separate Sweden from this image of "Utopia Scandiversales"?
Islam yes. Malmo in fact
@@bunnystrasse Sad to here if this is so. I wonder why Malmo especially is target of this narrative most in all of Sweden.
Sweden has a higher tolerance of none Swedish, while they also self depreciate to a given level.
Norway is the total opposite. While you always have people stating others do not integrate enough and so on. The fact is that most people actually do and most none Whites that feel they are not "Norwegian enough" get borderline PTSD when they visit their genetic home country because they finally figure it out. Norway hates nationalism, similar to the Swedes, but nationalism in this context is fascism, aka Nazi invaders or their ilk. National pride and the more inclusive aspect about such is expected, almost demanded, but at the same time with such tolerance that it is totally okay for tourists to wear bunads on 17 Mai or similar or Vikings to be depicted in any way etc etc. Norwegians are experts at pushing their culture outwards. There is no cultural appropriation issues and that in turn makes it easier for everyone to be the same rather than "equal but separate" which is kinda a Swedish issue in some context. Oh and in context of criminal gangs. The government tend to know everything. Not "everything" in context of getting a conviction, but the gist of what is what and who is who. This makes it hard for criminals to operate and if something goes too far the police gets extra funding or regulation to get X is enacted (ref biker gangs having huge issues being US "cool" level). I mean, a small towns local police captured Mossad agents after an operation for example. Lastly you have terrain. When winter comes, to use one example, it is not "the government" that gets the snow removed. It is local farmers and allot of stuff within the nation are like this. It is not the government that fixes things. It is YOU when a given situation happens that involves your expertise. Everyone kinda knows that the government, police, fire, military, security etc, is not really setup to do stuff alone. Too small and therefor allot of things are very intertwined.
@@Lobos222 Interesting, so in a lot of ways what the pundits miss is that Sweden has a more pro-active citizenry than is typically seen as the norm by political-science models and so instead of relying on the government in Stockholm to tackle all the social issues its actually something the Swedes do themselves at the local level. I wonder if Norway's model of cultural integration (which seems to involve the idea of "embrace our culture and it will embrace you") might be a helpful one to move forward with, essentially making everyone a part of Norway.
@@edspace. Yes, but it also has to be tied to economical aspects. Most owning their own apartment or house and wages being decent. Linked with socialized healthcare lowers stress among all citizens and contributes. Culturally though I could use an analogy. Lets say an African originating person dresses up a a mix between a Zulu warrior and Viking for Halloween. Then people would just think that was cool.
Or another example. I am a 80s kid and even I have some local words that are Norwegian in form, but Arabic in origin etc. However despite that reality. Practically no one using those words or similar today even think about it and just view them as Norwegian words.
Economic stability, tolerance of others, a strong sense of national belonging while also somewhat conservative (in social democratic context) expecting people to integrate makes it hard to not integrate in most cases.
That said, it is not perfect. A foreign sounding name will have a harder time getting a job without a network than a Nordic one, but at the same time a foreign named with network will have an easier time getting a job than a White person without it for example.
It's similar in my country. Politicians are still clearly corrupt, it's just not as openly as some other countries.
Corruption is a tool. Always has been.
that's what I love about my country: you do something wrong > consequences, period.
That's why the life here is just so much better in general
Why does it feel like the video is sped up ? despite it beeing set to normal ?
Becuase fredda speaks fast lol. At least I don’t need to speed it up myself. I hate watching videos and having to leave it on 1.5
Skill issue
I retook a course and reused some graphs and data and bits and pieces from my lab report from last term. I got caught but thank lord the lab manager said it was minor and I got a stern email from them and a slap on the wrist (-20%) with no escalation. Learned my lesson and still managed to fail that course. So here's to my third attempt next year 😅
God, as a Brazilian I wish my politicians would have plagiarized their dissertations and thesis. That would mean that they had SOME level of education. Most of them barely have a bachelor's degree, some just have a high school diploma. Nothing wrong with someone without formal education being elected, its just a reflection of the people, the problem is when these uneducated politicians, due to political reasons, lead important ministries that they're absolutely not prepared to.
As an American, I long for the day problems like this command our attention.
Politicians got no shame.
In principle, I want to agree with you conclusion. But for us in other countries, the bar is so low that seeing two ministers resign over a scandal that wouldn't last more than a day in our news cycle makes Norway look like an even more advanced democracy.
Great video as usual. I appreciated your explanation about why self plagiarism can be harmful, it always seemed like kind of a silly thing to care about but now I see the impact it could have on future citations.
As a swede, one of the most annoying things I hear people say is 'oh I wish [this country] were like scandinavia, you guys live in a utopia'... we definitely don't.
This feels familiar as a Swede. The establishment is pretty small and protects it's members. Corruption in society as a whole is pretty low in international comparisons but it's rampant at the top and unless we cut that off it will continue spreading.
Hi there! I'm from Germany and currently a PhD student here. I know nothing about how Norway's university system works, but in the segment about Kjerkol you said that she plagerized "sixteen other master's disserations". Just a question to clear something up: Are these master thesis and is it normal that these get published in Norway? Because in Germany master thesis usually don't get published, so to plagerize mine you'd actually have to steal my hard drives :D Or are these a form of PhD thesis I am not familiar with?
As someone from a country where a lot of politicians over the last copule of years stepped down after it came out they plagarized entire master's thesis or dissertations or had them written by paid ghost writers (and often ghost writers who absolutley sucked at their job) these stories are all pretty familiar. But that the case of a student who SELFplagarized TWO lines of her own work could get all the way to the supre court is fucking insane, even to me.
Hi, here in Norway most universities self archive the master thesises, and if the thesis got a good grade and is well written enough, they might get archived in our national database of scientific research. But the students have the option to have them openly accessible or not.
While all PhD's are usually both self archived at the universities and in the national database with the option to restrict access.
See the Norwegian Agency for Shared Services in Education and Research
@@christoffer8301 Got it, thank you very much!
I will acknowledge that the Scandinavian countries have not got everything worked out, but at least they seem to resign when they get found out. If this were the UK the current government would trot out their entire cabinet to defend whoever was accused rather than resign
Must be nice to live in a place where politicians can still feel shame and compelled to resign
How can you plagiarise yourself? You said it. It’s your words. No one can take that away. The initial paper wasn’t published, it was a private study document. This is what happens when you have too much time on your hands. I’m sure there are more serious issues for the education and legal system
Surely having more members of a language preservation organisation would mean you need less funding.
I am a norwegian, and I am completely ashamed by this
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Bruhhhhhhhh being suspended for two years for a simple mistake? They could’ve had a meeting and explained that she should’ve cited herself? Clearly the university knows she’s citing herself and no harm was done
I find your comment how Norway does not have it all together interesting. On one hand it is definitelly true that no system is ever without it's problems and injustice exists everywhere. And it is not particulary helpful to idealize it, you have to acknowledge both the good and the bad. On the other hand, if I had to choose between worry you could be unjustly punished by a year suspension, or worring about being gunned down at school, massive student debt, bankrupcy inducing heathcare and abusive job market, I think I know which one I would choose.
"There is nothing special about us" the dragon said from atop his mountain of oil gold.
Self-plagerism is the most riduculous idea (outside of the few edge cases in scientific publishing) - it's not plagerism, it's being efficient with your work.
As a Swede I love my Norwegian brothers and sisters, but working with Norwegians daily I recognize all too well the tendency to find problems where there are none.
"Write the essay in your own words citing any outside sources" *She includes a small section of her own words citing outside sources* "That’s self plagiarism!" *Throws hands up in the air in frustration* I'd hate to see her do copyright law.
Oh there was Norway they were gonna let that one slide, huh
Difference is in the us none of that stuff would even be a scandal in America. The insider trader stuff is a norm for the us, not something someone would set down for.
Self plagiarising from an exam should not be an punished since theyre not publishing their work or anything. This is so stupid.
Corruption always find a way, power attracts the corruptible.
Gives a similar energy as the guy who injured himself and sued himself so that he could be paid thousands of dollars by his own Insurance.
It makes me proud to be Norwegian that we react so strongly to such relatively minor issues. Politicians reset their career for abusing tax laws associated with commuting expenses by registering as living with their parents lol.
I DON’T CARE ABOUT THIS SHIT AT ALL BUT I’LL WATCH IT FOR MY POOKIE BEAR FREDDA
How come intentional plagiarism of a Disertation work does not lead to a title revocation?! Political fuctions held are insignificant in comparison to mess she could have made...
this is the subject of study for many years to come btw thx for creating this summary & analysis & uploading this
One of our former minister of higher stem education never studied stem... at all
Fredda, I like your voice. You are very soothing. Thank you for continuing to make videos because I like the topics you choose for them. If I ever make TH-cam videos, you will be a major inspiration.
wow wasn't expecting the thesis you argued for but certainly one that should be heard,
As a Masters student of Special Education and as a history teacher, I can say I absolutely hate APA citations. Chicago-Turabian is far superior in my opinion.
3.15 "laying in a continuum"? I'd have more confidence in the academic rigour of the Office of Research Integrity if it didn't make embarrassing mistakes such as not knowing the difference between 'lay' and 'lie' (and it needs to be "best thought *of* as...").
Haha, I remember I got a warning about plagiarism on one of my hand ins in middle school. 100% plagiarism of the first submission I did. I dont remember exactly why I submitted twice, but I guess it was for some editorial changes or putting in another point.
Bring more Norwegian topics! What about the case Marius? It would be interesting to dissect
I think the biggest thing to me about some of the plagiarists-- and maybe this is just the enduring narcissism that I (being a youtuber) obviously have-- is that like... having those moments between quotes, after citations, where you get to articulate things in your own way, to put your voice into a work is one of the best parts of being a writer, or an academic. Like it's almost baffling to me that they'd just copy paste things when they have the potential to... think about and articulate something else. I get that most ministers and "career minded" folks don't do education cause they want to, but because it's an "on-paper" requirement for their ambitions... but it's just kinda sad to see people, to see this industry, a whole engine, of just like going through the motions of academia for nothing more than hollow prestige.