I owned many record players. I had record players that tracked at 6 grams and I played hundreds of record on it and I never had a problem with excessive wear. what tears up records the most is a worn out needle.
You need to play it back many times at a heavy weight to notice the damage as demonstrated in a VWestlife video. Mono records can track at a higher weight than stereo records since there is no vertical motion.
funny note to this if you want the best results playing a 33rpm vinyl record with a steel needle here's what to do. 1 use an upright Edison diamond disc player with an adapter for playing regular 78s a bonus is the strong motor will let you crank down the speed to 33rpm(or 45rpm!) 2 use a soft-tone needle meant to play 78rpm Flexi discs or (Durium)cardboard discs (these needles are bent)or a cactus needle but not the bamboo fiber type. 3 use a 33rpm disc produced before 1958 most of these are ten inch and of a harder vinyl. 4 use a rubber ring to clamp down the record via the spindle this will prevent slipping. well I did all that and the damage wasn't really there and the record could still be played on a modern record player it did have slight visual damage but not much audible damage. in the case of a record by the carpenters from the 1970s that pretty much got trashed!! on the Edison!!! but, it still sounded badass!! on that Edison!!
I’ve seen a few records like that, lots of heavy hissing will be heard or loops depending how much of the groove was damaged and what size steel needle he used (gramophones use three types of stylus: soft, medium, loud tone, I don’t know which he used)
To consider for a future video/experiment: does a blunt (used/worn down) stylus damage a record more than a sharp (brand new) one? Is there a difference in sound or in the record after testing? A silly question, perhaps, but I'd think that before a stylus 'settles down' there must be a point where it reaches optimum performance; albeit further down the line. Is there a difference in sound with a new and used (not completely blunt or worn down) stylus? Are there differences at all? Just some more thoughts.
One difference that should be noted, is that the acoustic reproducer is designed for lateral cut mono records, and has absolutely no vertical compliance. The record is 45/45 stereo cut and is meant to be played with the combined lateral and vertical compliance of a stereo cartridge. Back in the day, we were warned never to play stereo records with a mono cartridge, as it would gouge the grooves. At least the American labels gave those warnings. European labels, like Polydor, actually advertised that their stereo records were safe to play on mono equipment. So, is that vertical compliance important to groove longevity? Perhaps not.
Have a look at the UK Vintage Radio site; there's an interesting thread on that topic and it seems that relatively heavy tonearms with non compliant mono cartridges could inflict severe damage on stereo pressings. From the late 50's onward I believe that the lack of vertical compliance was more of a problem than the actual tracking weight. I run a Garrard RC80 changer [vintage 1950] with a mono GE RPX cartridge at 6.5 grams, and I keep stereo records far far away from it.
Actually, Capitol Records from Mexico advertised that it was ok to play stereo records with mono equipment. Many records from the 70s and 80s had a caption under the Capitol logo that read: "También puede ser tocado en aparatos monofónicos" (which translates to "This record can also be played on monophonic devices")
after watching this video i know my entry level record player with the ceramic cartridge is not damaging my records puts my mind at ease thanks for the video
To get a more accurate reading on the weight, perhaps a measuring of the tracking force after the coins were placed onto the tone arm may have been useful? Also, perhaps a silly question but, if the coins were placed lower down on the tone arm would they have added weight to the tracking force or would they have been the same as they were in the experiment? Just some thoughts. If you were to try playing the trashed parts of the record on the Crossley again, would there be any distortion to the sound of the record at those points? Again, just a thought. Would different thicknesses of record also affect this? And, finally would the speed of the record? I'd assume if the steel needle played the record slower then the damage would be more intense. This is just speculation, however. [The sibilance on the last track could have been due to the build up of gunk shown while playing that track. On a positive note that track might now be the cleanest and clearest on the record due to having been heavily cleaned?]. LOL.
Would love to have heard that part you did on the old Victrola played back with a normal stylus again (like on that Crosley). Did the actual groove survive at all??? Oh, on the strobe comment. I have the Technics SL-D5 which is the direct drive equivalent of your B5. I can get that strobe to sit still perfectly, and it is only FG Servo. What you are seeing is that the strobe is running off the power line frequency, not the quartz lock frequency like it does on something like an SL-1200 or my SL-5350 changer. Depending on the system you CAN get it to be reasonably stable. But the slight shifts you see don't do a thing to the sound, and as long as it's not actively moving ahead or behind the speed is good, so rock on!
Lol reminds me of the kids a while back that put the record store day edition of a beach boys vinyl 78 on a gramophone. Though in their case they started at the beginning so it wouldn’t even spin at first.
I've been dinking around with jukeboxes for 40 years and it's been my experience wear has more to do with the quality of the vinyl rather than tracking force. I have an AMI J200 (1959) jukebox with a Shure M8 cartridge. I replace the stylus about every 1000 plays. It's a mix of early 50s up to late 70s 45 rpm records. Several of the early RCA 45s have been on this machine for 30 years and show practically no wear and still sound new even after hundreds of plays. An early 60s Columbia or Mercury will show visible wear after 20 plays. I suspect they're made of styrene. I even modified the tone arm so it would track around 5 grams. (8 grams from the factory. Original cartridge was a General Electric VR-II)
could the force be higher once the platter is actually spinning and what not? I only say that, because of the automatic mechanism engaging, could add potential force once the stylus is on the record. just a thought
Ok in all seriousness, can you track a cartridge a little higher than the required setting. I have the Vessel A3SE cartridge that LP Gear says is an upgrade for the Denon DP300F (my turntable in my bedroom) so they say to track at 2.0, but I find that a little light and it sounds ok but not clear, when I track it at 2.5 it sounds perfect. Will I damage my albums? By the way because of your video on the Fluance RT80, I ordered the RT81 a few weeks ago and am loving it.
Summer 2020, my bestie calls me from his work at a buy/sell/trade shop, and tells me to get there asap. He will often tell me about stuff I might like that has come through. But he never called and he seemed really pumped up about whatever it was. So I go there, and on the counter is the Beatles mofi boxset from 1982, in near mint condition. The LPs legit look like they've never been played, and the box, booklet and cartridge aligner looked just as good. I went to the bank, and back to the store with 825 dollars to slap on the table, and brought it home. It is selling for way more than that, and seems to only increase in time. I've played records from it like 4 times, and it's just so good.
Crosley cruiser on its own is not gonna ruin your records. I won’t recommend playing your absolutely most priced and rarest records on a cruiser, but casual listening on your everyday records is just fine. It’s the same tracking force many of the used records were played in the past anyways. Common sense goes a long way. 😉
I consider a visual test of a pretty useless. I would like to hear the record played on a decent turntable with a decent cartridge. And even then you'd have to have before and after listening comparisons.
You know, when I was a kid, I used to put a penny as an additional weight on the head to weigh down the stylus and stop record skipping. I know better now. I don't know what happened to the records I had as a kid.
What happened was loud passages and singing would have distortion that made the record impossible to listen to. Not sure if it increased surface noise also, but that's there too.
My mother did the same when she worked at a discothek. Because people were jumping on the wooden floor it caused the needle to jump sometimes so she added a small coin (5 Rappen Swiss Franc) on top of it. 😂
The wear on any vinyl record is the amount of times you play it. I got used a 45 a Frank Sinatra 45 called Summer wind. I'm sure you all know the song. Anyway, it came from a jukebox and when you played it it had scratchy sound. You know like a heavy needle had been on it. I don't know how many times it was played but that's the way it was like you leaned heavy on the needle and it just happens. Vinyl is that way Heck in the old days if a record skipped you threw a nickel on it or a penny and most likely is a penny and it played fine so and back then they didn't oh way to measure grams or we didn't care whichever, but we all enjoyed. Our music. Is not what it's all about ?
People have decided records of all things, are an investment. I get thinking this way for a Paramount 78 rpm, or some record with limited copies but these people think the zillionth copy of Sgt Peppers is worth preserving for a millennia at all cost.
Being a little picky. You didn’t allow the 5g weight to steady in the scales, and you tared too early. You’ll see that when you took the weight off the scales were reading -4.2 (not -5). So the accurate tracking weight of the tone-arm is 5.16g
@Record-ology Hello sir I hope your doing well! I have a question, do you know the quality difference between shoebox cassette and cassette walkman players? I've saw various videos from vwestlife with line out audio tests and I have not yet come to find the quality out of a shoebox cassette player.
I think people thing that CD's and records are more fragile than they really are I dont beat up my CD's but I have never had a major scratch on one that stopped it from working or made it skip, well a scratch from me anyways, got one from the Goodwill like that but buffed it right out with a buffer I got and never used until then lol
CDs have error correction built-in(don't ask me how it works, it's black majik to me) so they're relatively tolerant to scratches, very unlike a vinyl record.
Vinyl is much more forgiving than styrene. How about getting a styrene 45 and doing the same thing you did with this LP? My guess is you'll be singing a different tune after that.
I’ve played a styrene 45 on a Panasonic with a screw on stylus on a wire, tracks more than a cruiser ever will. The record was fine. Obviously groundhog daying the thing will destroy it but a few plays here and there won’t hurt the thing as long as the stylus is clean and/or new.
Poor Judy Collins! Oh, well. There are a lot of copies of that LP around. One avoirdupois (normal) ounce is 28.35 grams; the troy ounce (precious metal weight) is 31.1034768 grams. You can slow a Victrola down by accessing the governor and applying enough friction to it. And you COULD probably cobble together a way to attach an LP stylus to an acoustic reproducer.
That was Awesome I just got a Victrola nostalgic record player for my Birthday in Red my Fav. color and Wow it’s Awesome And I know from watching your show that my records are safe I know it tracks at 5-6 grams And Wow it’s RED!!!!
I mean I think most people forget that the wear scale came from a time when you would play the record constantly unless you owned the album on tape. These days I can pull the same album on vinyl, cd, and my usb drive and on rare occasions even cassette and 8-track. The amount of times the Lp is played is considerably lower than it would have been pre-cd era
um ... dontt we have to look at the record with a microscope to see how the inside of the groove was affected? Since that structure escapes the naked eye in the first place?
@@beerrox711 I simply think that not everything that's going on on a record is visible to the naked eye. A record without any music looks pretty decent but it doesn't sound the part.
been there done that i used t play my 45 rpm's at 45 by modifying my gramapghone so i could get 7" records to play if my electric got turnd off by neibours. hell used to happen a lot so was roudy oh ffr 90% of the 45 7" Singles i had at the time still play fine if bit al little more surface noise, i can say i played candle in the wind exclusively for 2 weeks on a hmv gamophone that's a 1973 7" 45 rpm, also to note it sitll plays today i did compare to the 1990 re release on elton john's greatest hits it's not that worn but y can tell a differance. over all there isn't muich in it mabyre mod ur regulator on your gramohone. mind if y mod it right y an get right down to 33/1/3 rpm if y want not 100% that's y i stayed with 45's in that situation as speed inconsitincis=es creep in th eslower y go. i dont recomend playing 45rpm records on a gramophone unless in a emergency (appologies covering my own bum) hell i'd do it today if i still had my moddded hmv wouldn't recommed it tho.. lots of love and kindness mr and mrs recordology got a 78 from a charity shop today its big band infulenced jazz if u can find any info i'll be uploading on my TH-cam channel shortly once i get stuff sorted.. wish my collection was as orginised but i enjoy going through a box of records that's assorted it means if y jumble it up you'll always find something differant. that's known in my world as elecdtie whitch means i like anything ps love ur patsy cline collection i've got a bit of one myself i bought the mca portrait of patsy cline albiet stereo version aside (I would have prefered mono) i do love it keep up the good work. check my channel on youtuibe if y want i don't have a lot of vids but if y want t view and suggest. i'd love to grow my folliowing like yourselves. love to alla nd ur channel, the fact also u never have a bad word to entry equipment.. but do appreicate that not all are equipment may be not all equil. My Fix the twin risister mod to entrry level equipment is the way t go, ill work out what it is i need tio do as i've put those cheapo carts in my garrard2005 td changer and it works with everything even tho its technically only lp capable (before anyone blasdts me or mr or mrs recology yes i play 78's on lp tips sometines it doesnt hurt them any. appologies for the rather long message hope both u and missus recordoliogy are both fine and well ps apologies for any spelling mistakes i am dislexic not good ad spelling etc but i try to make a point appologiies anyone that reads and takes offence i have o excuses but do wish all whom and who may take offdence to ajny comments made. appologies to everyone for incorrectness if i am incorrect in what or the way ive said thngs appologies in advance. I try and take poeople's feelings into account. apolliogies once again mr and mrs record ology love yr ty ch but im loosing faithin people atm nobody wants t help. hope this reaches a few other lonely people. thaks in advance
I have been playing LP's for almost 50 years using Dual turntables with vintage Shure cartridges and more current Audio Technica cartridges. All track between 1 and 1.4 grams. I conclude based on long stylus life in my case that anything over 1.5 grams tracking weight is not the best option over-all. Don't go too cheap on cartridges. The vintage Shure cartridges are desirable. Many of them can be fitted with after-market stylus options from cheap to more costly. Audio Technica's are good, especially the higher priced options, but available replacement stylus options are not favorable from what I have seen.
Lmao I saw Judy Collins at Winnipeg folk fest last week. When she was talking it was actually pretty interesting, but she’s definitely lost her voice a longgggg time ago 💀
As a youngster in high school I did an experiment similar to yours with some highly scratched records and a gramophone. Some of them had such deep scratches that there was no way I would play them on my normal turntable. Vualá!: Some records recovered a bit of their reliability to reproduce due to the violent widening of the groove that the thick needle of the phonograph caused them, although of course there was also some loss of quality of the original recording, but also the original groove managed to "rewrite itself". "and also to diminish a little the loud sounds of the abundant scratches of the surface; and the deepest scratches that were a sure jump of the stylus from one groove to another, remained in only a rhythmic crack without jumping. They were old records that he had nothing to lose, and some of them benefited from the experiment. 😁😁😁
I’m a big fan I would like you to try the new Crosley radio alarm clock they sale them on Amazon as will I ordered one it’s coming Tomorrow I’m really excited about the new crosley radio alarm clock they make them in 2 deferent models they have them in black and white I ordered the black one it has am and fm radio and Bluetooth as will I’m really excited about it I just wanted to let you know about the crosley radio alarm clock
I'm sure your wife has told you you talk too much and your records are always dirty can you clean them before you show them on the video although I enjoy your videos, it's still talk too much and don't get down to the point!
@@Recordology honestly I’m not surprised they’d come at you with everything they’ve got given you’ve shattered the propaganda. I bought one of those players with that mechanism for $37 for 78s, but have been using it for my new record buys, even some new old stock vinyl 78s that require a micro groove stylus everything is fine. No greying or swarf strings from the “gouging”. Yes obviously you know vwestlife did his video but it’s interesting the non record related insults also flew his way. People just can’t handle the truth. Lots of old GE, Zenith, Magnavox, Stronberg-Carlson consoles are currently playing 1st pressings these people will spend top dollar for with just visual grading (the kind they say is not valid here) lol
I owned many record players. I had record players that tracked at 6 grams and I played hundreds of record on it and I never had a problem with excessive wear. what tears up records the most is a worn out needle.
You need to play it back many times at a heavy weight to notice the damage as demonstrated in a VWestlife video. Mono records can track at a higher weight than stereo records since there is no vertical motion.
Wow, you madman ! That last test was epic destruction. Very cool . Etc, etc, etc. 😄😆😂😅
funny note to this if you want the best results playing a 33rpm vinyl record with a steel needle here's what to do.
1 use an upright Edison diamond disc player with an adapter for playing regular 78s a bonus is the strong motor will let you crank down the speed to 33rpm(or 45rpm!)
2 use a soft-tone needle meant to play 78rpm Flexi discs or (Durium)cardboard discs (these needles are bent)or a cactus needle but not the bamboo fiber type.
3 use a 33rpm disc produced before 1958 most of these are ten inch and of a harder vinyl.
4 use a rubber ring to clamp down the record via the spindle this will prevent slipping.
well I did all that and the damage wasn't really there and the record could still be played on a modern record player it did have slight visual damage but not much audible damage.
in the case of a record by the carpenters from the 1970s that pretty much got trashed!! on the Edison!!! but, it still sounded badass!! on that Edison!!
It would have been intresting to hear, does the vinyl play any sound after the damage, with a regular vinyl player.
I’ve seen a few records like that, lots of heavy hissing will be heard or loops depending how much of the groove was damaged and what size steel needle he used (gramophones use three types of stylus: soft, medium, loud tone, I don’t know which he used)
To consider for a future video/experiment: does a blunt (used/worn down) stylus damage a record more than a sharp (brand new) one? Is there a difference in sound or in the record after testing? A silly question, perhaps, but I'd think that before a stylus 'settles down' there must be a point where it reaches optimum performance; albeit further down the line. Is there a difference in sound with a new and used (not completely blunt or worn down) stylus? Are there differences at all? Just some more thoughts.
One difference that should be noted, is that the acoustic reproducer is designed for lateral cut mono records, and has absolutely no vertical compliance. The record is 45/45 stereo cut and is meant to be played with the combined lateral and vertical compliance of a stereo cartridge. Back in the day, we were warned never to play stereo records with a mono cartridge, as it would gouge the grooves. At least the American labels gave those warnings. European labels, like Polydor, actually advertised that their stereo records were safe to play on mono equipment. So, is that vertical compliance important to groove longevity? Perhaps not.
Have a look at the UK Vintage Radio site; there's an interesting thread on that topic and it seems that relatively heavy tonearms with non compliant mono cartridges could inflict severe damage on stereo pressings. From the late 50's onward I believe that the lack of vertical compliance was more of a problem than the actual tracking weight. I run a Garrard RC80 changer [vintage 1950] with a mono GE RPX cartridge at 6.5 grams, and I keep stereo records far far away from it.
Actually, Capitol Records from Mexico advertised that it was ok to play stereo records with mono equipment. Many records from the 70s and 80s had a caption under the Capitol logo that read: "También puede ser tocado en aparatos monofónicos" (which translates to "This record can also be played on monophonic devices")
Thanks so much for making this video! How informative!
Now play that record with the victrola on the place you did with the 78 player :)
Now play the damaged record on the crosly so whe can hear the damage the steel needle did plz 🤔☺️👍
The trashed vinyl record sound listenable but it's hissy.
after watching this video i know my entry level record player with the ceramic cartridge is not damaging my records puts my mind at ease thanks for the video
Absolutely absolutely! Just enjoy your records!
I wish you had tried the damaged area on the Crosley in the end just to know the scope, still really enjoyed the video
To get a more accurate reading on the weight, perhaps a measuring of the tracking force after the coins were placed onto the tone arm may have been useful? Also, perhaps a silly question but, if the coins were placed lower down on the tone arm would they have added weight to the tracking force or would they have been the same as they were in the experiment? Just some thoughts.
If you were to try playing the trashed parts of the record on the Crossley again, would there be any distortion to the sound of the record at those points? Again, just a thought. Would different thicknesses of record also affect this? And, finally would the speed of the record? I'd assume if the steel needle played the record slower then the damage would be more intense. This is just speculation, however. [The sibilance on the last track could have been due to the build up of gunk shown while playing that track. On a positive note that track might now be the cleanest and clearest on the record due to having been heavily cleaned?]. LOL.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Omg you went there with that record! LOL
Would love to have heard that part you did on the old Victrola played back with a normal stylus again (like on that Crosley). Did the actual groove survive at all??? Oh, on the strobe comment. I have the Technics SL-D5 which is the direct drive equivalent of your B5. I can get that strobe to sit still perfectly, and it is only FG Servo. What you are seeing is that the strobe is running off the power line frequency, not the quartz lock frequency like it does on something like an SL-1200 or my SL-5350 changer. Depending on the system you CAN get it to be reasonably stable. But the slight shifts you see don't do a thing to the sound, and as long as it's not actively moving ahead or behind the speed is good, so rock on!
Lol reminds me of the kids a while back that put the record store day edition of a beach boys vinyl 78 on a gramophone. Though in their case they started at the beginning so it wouldn’t even spin at first.
I've been dinking around with jukeboxes for 40 years and it's been my experience wear has more to do with the quality of the vinyl rather than tracking force. I have an AMI J200 (1959) jukebox with a Shure M8 cartridge. I replace the stylus about every 1000 plays. It's a mix of early 50s up to late 70s 45 rpm records. Several of the early RCA 45s have been on this machine for 30 years and show practically no wear and still sound new even after hundreds of plays. An early 60s Columbia or Mercury will show visible wear after 20 plays. I suspect they're made of styrene.
I even modified the tone arm so it would track around 5 grams. (8 grams from the factory. Original cartridge was a General Electric VR-II)
I think a defective needle tracking light is worse than tracking heavy
With a good needle
could the force be higher once the platter is actually spinning and what not? I only say that, because of the automatic mechanism engaging, could add potential force once the stylus is on the record. just a thought
Nope. That doesn't happen.
Record ology your utube videos are awesome
Great content!
Ok in all seriousness, can you track a cartridge a little higher than the required setting. I have the Vessel A3SE cartridge that LP Gear says is an upgrade for the Denon DP300F (my turntable in my bedroom) so they say to track at 2.0, but I find that a little light and it sounds ok but not clear, when I track it at 2.5 it sounds perfect. Will I damage my albums? By the way because of your video on the Fluance RT80, I ordered the RT81 a few weeks ago and am loving it.
I would not expect any damage to occur.
Adding .5 of a gram to your tracking definitely won't damage your records - enjoy
The experiment didn't damage the vinyl at 14 g ,so 2.5 g is never going to damage them
Of coure you can, but it will add a slight amount of distortion to your audio. That's really all that it will do.
Now, I feel better about using dj cartridges and styluses. Yes audiophiles, I said that.
You should've used a Mofi record for this experiment.
Summer 2020, my bestie calls me from his work at a buy/sell/trade shop, and tells me to get there asap. He will often tell me about stuff I might like that has come through. But he never called and he seemed really pumped up about whatever it was. So I go there, and on the counter is the Beatles mofi boxset from 1982, in near mint condition. The LPs legit look like they've never been played, and the box, booklet and cartridge aligner looked just as good. I went to the bank, and back to the store with 825 dollars to slap on the table, and brought it home. It is selling for way more than that, and seems to only increase in time. I've played records from it like 4 times, and it's just so good.
Crosley cruiser on its own is not gonna ruin your records.
I won’t recommend playing your absolutely most priced and rarest records on a cruiser, but casual listening on your everyday records is just fine. It’s the same tracking force many of the used records were played in the past anyways. Common sense goes a long way. 😉
I consider a visual test of a pretty useless. I would like to hear the record played on a decent turntable with a decent cartridge. And even then you'd have to have before and after listening comparisons.
now get every record seller to think the same
This is the best video you have ever done. Not just for the destruction, but for the humor more dry than the the Salt Lake.
Can you listen to a $50.00 record player in a shower a really nice HOT shower Ive always wondered
Not Judy Collins! 😂
Thats a really good Judy Collins album!
You know, when I was a kid, I used to put a penny as an additional weight on the head to weigh down the stylus and stop record skipping. I know better now. I don't know what happened to the records I had as a kid.
What happened was loud passages and singing would have distortion that made the record impossible to listen to. Not sure if it increased surface noise also, but that's there too.
The old-time copper pennies weigh 3.11g, and the newer clad type weigh 2.5g.
My mother did the same when she worked at a discothek. Because people were jumping on the wooden floor it caused the needle to jump sometimes so she added a small coin (5 Rappen Swiss Franc) on top of it. 😂
The wear on any vinyl record is the amount of times you play it. I got used a 45 a Frank Sinatra 45 called Summer wind. I'm sure you all know the song. Anyway, it came from a jukebox and when you played it it had scratchy sound. You know like a heavy needle had been on it. I don't know how many times it was played but that's the way it was like you leaned heavy on the needle and it just happens. Vinyl is that way Heck in the old days if a record skipped you threw a nickel on it or a penny and most likely is a penny and it played fine so and back then they didn't oh way to measure grams or we didn't care whichever, but we all enjoyed. Our music. Is not what it's all about ?
People have decided records of all things, are an investment. I get thinking this way for a Paramount 78 rpm, or some record with limited copies but these people think the zillionth copy of Sgt Peppers is worth preserving for a millennia at all cost.
Wonder how the damaged section sounds
Being a little picky. You didn’t allow the 5g weight to steady in the scales, and you tared too early. You’ll see that when you took the weight off the scales were reading -4.2 (not -5). So the accurate tracking weight of the tone-arm is 5.16g
Ya I'm bad about that...
It'll wear the stylus out faster if there is too much tracking force.
@Record-ology Hello sir I hope your doing well! I have a question, do you know the quality difference between shoebox cassette and cassette walkman players? I've saw various videos from vwestlife with line out audio tests and I have not yet come to find the quality out of a shoebox cassette player.
Why is the label marked with black marker,
I think people thing that CD's and records are more fragile than they really are I dont beat up my CD's but I have never had a major scratch on one that stopped it from working or made it skip, well a scratch from me anyways, got one from the Goodwill like that but buffed it right out with a buffer I got and never used until then lol
CDs have error correction built-in(don't ask me how it works, it's black majik to me) so they're relatively tolerant to scratches, very unlike a vinyl record.
Judy Collins must have liked this alot ;)
Vinyl is much more forgiving than styrene. How about getting a styrene 45 and doing the same thing you did with this LP? My guess is you'll be singing a different tune after that.
I’ve played a styrene 45 on a Panasonic with a screw on stylus on a wire, tracks more than a cruiser ever will. The record was fine. Obviously groundhog daying the thing will destroy it but a few plays here and there won’t hurt the thing as long as the stylus is clean and/or new.
Poor Judy Collins! Oh, well. There are a lot of copies of that LP around.
One avoirdupois (normal) ounce is 28.35 grams; the troy ounce (precious metal weight) is 31.1034768 grams.
You can slow a Victrola down by accessing the governor and applying enough friction to it.
And you COULD probably cobble together a way to attach an LP stylus to an acoustic reproducer.
Do you have a link to that tracking weight scale? I just got a new turntable and would like to verify the tracking weight.
Amazon has them.
Poor Judy
What happend with your unboxing and revieuwing those cheaper systems ....like crosley victrola etc etc
I didn’t see damage on the record from the Crosley needle from my view
The almost invincible Judy Blue Eyes.
That was Awesome I just got a Victrola nostalgic record player for my Birthday in Red my Fav. color and Wow it’s Awesome And I know from watching your show that my records are safe I know it tracks at 5-6 grams And Wow it’s RED!!!!
I mean I think most people forget that the wear scale came from a time when you would play the record constantly unless you owned the album on tape. These days I can pull the same album on vinyl, cd, and my usb drive and on rare occasions even cassette and 8-track. The amount of times the Lp is played is considerably lower than it would have been pre-cd era
You would need a microscope to visually see the damage. You could HEAR the damage by playing it on a high quality stereo component system.
Starting at what weight?
um ... dontt we have to look at the record with a microscope to see how the inside of the groove was affected? Since that structure escapes the naked eye in the first place?
you think Goldmine and every record dealer out there is doing that?
@@beerrox711 I simply think that not everything that's going on on a record is visible to the naked eye. A record without any music looks pretty decent but it doesn't sound the part.
The vintage cartridges were made to track at 6 g
Should have put the pennies at the stylus end not the back
Made the mistake of trying to play a russian xray record on a pro-ject debut 😬
been there done that i used t play my 45 rpm's at 45 by modifying my gramapghone so i could get 7" records to play if my electric got turnd off by neibours. hell used to happen a lot so was roudy oh ffr 90% of the 45 7" Singles i had at the time still play fine if bit al little more surface noise, i can say i played candle in the wind exclusively for 2 weeks on a hmv gamophone that's a 1973 7" 45 rpm, also to note it sitll plays today i did compare to the 1990 re release on elton john's greatest hits it's not that worn but y can tell a differance. over all there isn't muich in it mabyre mod ur regulator on your gramohone. mind if y mod it right y an get right down to 33/1/3 rpm if y want not 100% that's y i stayed with 45's in that situation as speed inconsitincis=es creep in th eslower y go. i dont recomend playing 45rpm records on a gramophone unless in a emergency (appologies covering my own bum) hell i'd do it today if i still had my moddded hmv wouldn't recommed it tho.. lots of love and kindness mr and mrs recordology got a 78 from a charity shop today its big band infulenced jazz if u can find any info i'll be uploading on my TH-cam channel shortly once i get stuff sorted.. wish my collection was as orginised but i enjoy going through a box of records that's assorted it means if y jumble it up you'll always find something differant. that's known in my world as elecdtie whitch means i like anything ps love ur patsy cline collection i've got a bit of one myself i bought the mca portrait of patsy cline albiet stereo version aside (I would have prefered mono) i do love it keep up the good work. check my channel on youtuibe if y want i don't have a lot of vids but if y want t view and suggest. i'd love to grow my folliowing like yourselves. love to alla nd ur channel, the fact also u never have a bad word to entry equipment.. but do appreicate that not all are equipment may be not all equil. My Fix the twin risister mod to entrry level equipment is the way t go, ill work out what it is i need tio do as i've put those cheapo carts in my garrard2005 td changer and it works with everything even tho its technically only lp capable (before anyone blasdts me or mr or mrs recology yes i play 78's on lp tips sometines it doesnt hurt them any. appologies for the rather long message hope both u and missus recordoliogy are both fine and well
ps apologies for any spelling mistakes i am dislexic not good ad spelling etc but i try to make a point appologiies anyone that reads and takes offence i have o excuses but do wish all whom and who may take offdence to ajny comments made. appologies to everyone for incorrectness if i am incorrect in what or the way ive said thngs appologies in advance. I try and take poeople's feelings into account. apolliogies once again mr and mrs record ology love yr ty ch but im loosing faithin people atm nobody wants t help. hope this reaches a few other lonely people. thaks in advance
Record ology this so cool How much weight does it take to damage vinyl record
Your finger on the tonearm will do it
I have been playing LP's for almost 50 years using Dual turntables with vintage Shure cartridges and more current Audio Technica cartridges. All track between 1 and 1.4 grams. I conclude based on long stylus life in my case that anything over 1.5 grams tracking weight is not the best option over-all. Don't go too cheap on cartridges. The vintage Shure cartridges are desirable. Many of them can be fitted with after-market stylus options from cheap to more costly. Audio Technica's are good, especially the higher priced options, but available replacement stylus options are not favorable from what I have seen.
Lmao I saw Judy Collins at Winnipeg folk fest last week. When she was talking it was actually pretty interesting, but she’s definitely lost her voice a longgggg time ago 💀
As a youngster in high school I did an experiment similar to yours with some highly scratched records and a gramophone. Some of them had such deep scratches that there was no way I would play them on my normal turntable.
Vualá!: Some records recovered a bit of their reliability to reproduce due to the violent widening of the groove that the thick needle of the phonograph caused them, although of course there was also some loss of quality of the original recording, but also the original groove managed to "rewrite itself". "and also to diminish a little the loud sounds of the abundant scratches of the surface; and the deepest scratches that were a sure jump of the stylus from one groove to another, remained in only a rhythmic crack without jumping.
They were old records that he had nothing to lose, and some of them benefited from the experiment. 😁😁😁
Body is shaking
vinyl records playing Body is shaking
VWestlife did a video on this about five years ago.
Recordology did one this weekend.
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I’m a big fan I would like you to try the new Crosley radio alarm clock they sale them on Amazon as will I ordered one it’s coming Tomorrow I’m really excited about the new crosley radio alarm clock they make them in 2 deferent models they have them in black and white I ordered the black one it has am and fm radio and Bluetooth as will I’m really excited about it I just wanted to let you know about the crosley radio alarm clock
4.5 ounces
They actually for playing a record is 1.5 g
Depends on the cartridge.
Why ruin Judy Collins?! Soulja Boy is more like it! Peace.
Great video , so my suitcase player is fine ,
Short answer: One Crosley :D
I'm sure your wife has told you you talk too much and your records are always dirty can you clean them before you show them on the video although I enjoy your videos, it's still talk too much and don't get down to the point!
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@@Recordology honestly I’m not surprised they’d come at you with everything they’ve got given you’ve shattered the propaganda. I bought one of those players with that mechanism for $37 for 78s, but have been using it for my new record buys, even some new old stock vinyl 78s that require a micro groove stylus everything is fine. No greying or swarf strings from the “gouging”. Yes obviously you know vwestlife did his video but it’s interesting the non record related insults also flew his way. People just can’t handle the truth. Lots of old GE, Zenith, Magnavox, Stronberg-Carlson consoles are currently playing 1st pressings these people will spend top dollar for with just visual grading (the kind they say is not valid here) lol
"Its a pretty good copy...its in pretty good shape"
While the Vinyl has pretty heavily visible scratches on the left side.
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They actually for playing a record is 1.5 g
Not really it depends on the cartridge the recordplayer use