So glad you made this video. I purchased two of these and both kept skipping with records that weren’t skipping on my previous turntable. I ended up returning both and bought a JBL . No issues whatsoever.
So glad you made this video. I purchased two of these and both kept skipping with records that weren’t skipping on my previous turntable. I even upgraded to the green stylus but no resolution. I ended up returning both and bought a JBL . No issues whatsoever.
@@frankieritz if AT has a design issue hopefully they address it. Might be a batch of parts with the auto mechanism or maybe something as simple of something not being properly greased causing the arm to bind up with small movements. I’d check to see if the locked factory set anti-skate is ‘correct’ with an acrylic platter mat or test disc.
One thing to check is if the support that raises and lowers the arm is fully down when the arm lowers. Another thing is your Marantz table using the same style stylus? The LP70X comes with a conical stylus that type of stylus doesn’t track as deep in the groove as an elliptical or more advanced stylus. I use a LP120X with the same cartridge but have elliptical (bonded and nude types) and microlinear styli that I interchange between. Never had skips with either of those. Also have a Sony linear table with a Realistic Shure clone with an elliptical .2x.7 elliptical stylus. Never had skips on that. The pop in your record leads me to believe that higher riding of the conical stylus in the groove causes the stylus to jump out of the groove. The fact it keeps repeating shows me that the factory set anti-skate is doing its job.
Agree here. These turntables typically cheap-out on the stylus, as suggested by above commenter. It’s unlikely to be adjustable but the azimuth (vertical alignment of the stylus) may just be off on this arm design. As commenter said, worth checking with a better quality stylus, assuming you like the rest of the turntable.
Another thought - picture discs are not known for their great pressing quality. Does this issue happen with a lot of normal lps or only a select few discs ? If the issue is widespread, it could be down to the LP70 which is a budget turntable - forgive the description !
I wonder if changing to an elliptical stylus might help with the skipping issues - it should fit the record goove better. It's a shame that the lp70 arm lacks tracking adjustments which wwould have helped with diagnosis. A lack of anti-skate can be an issue. Is your turntable on a level surface ? That can make a heck of a difference.
I came here to look for a similar comment. I bought my 70x about 2 months ago. Started sounding awful.. looked at stylus and it was kicked to the left and ruined.. don’t think I caused it..but unsure.. anyway.. got the elliptical stylus in today ($49.99), an “upgrade”from the conical, and it’s a huge difference! 😮 for the 25$ difference
All what I can say is it's not the VM95 Cartridge. I have a VM95 and VM530 Cartridge and both don't skip on my Dual DT400. But the recommended tracking force of the VM95 and VM500 Series is 2.0 grams.
Is the floor 'bouncy' and how steady is the stand? There are expensive wall turntable shelves. DIY you could cut a shelf to size and mount it on wall behind, and above the stand. Add some affordable turntable upgrade feet. It is not a long shot, vibrations may be picked up into the stand. The Lp might have a small defect or wave.
Oh, and the lifting bar for the cueing (arm lifter) is not contacting the lifter on the arm. I've replaced both platter mats with thicker rubber mats which should ensure this by lifting the arm higher when playing...my next step is to go inside the TT to see if something is causing a drag on tone arm lateral movement...keep you posted.
I got the same deck for Christmas and have the same issue with skipping/looping on brand new records. When it happens, it's always closer to the end of a side, usually last couple of tracks. FWIW I have also upgraded the stylus to ML variant. Put on Rumours first, side A was flawless (sound quality improvement is insane) but had a minor skip on Oh Daddy on side B and was slighly hopeful. Then put on Hotel California and it entered an endless loop on The Last Resort :lolsob: So not sure a better stylus is gonna fully "fix" it. Super frustrating as it's a great sounding deck otherwise esp. paired with a better stylus and an external preamp.
If it were me I would just upgrade the cartridge on the Marantz. You can get the sound your looking for with just a cartridge upgrade. Looks like a nice quality piece. New is not always better.
My LP70X was skipping as well, the same kind where it loops. The nail in the coffin for me was when I purchased a new album and it skipped on the second track. I bought a LP120XUSB and it does not skip on records that were skipping on the LP70X.
i picked up a AT-LP70XBT for my wife in Mid December for Christmas. We have played probably 10 different records since Christmas day, both new and old vinyl. We are getting more and more frequent skips, i am new to vinyl so i came across this trying to trouble shoot.
Well, dang! It definitely looks like this problem is not an isolated one. I was kind of hoping that people would tell me that they have the LP70 and have had none of the skipping issues. Maybe someone will see this and have a solution. Thanks for watching and commenting. If I hear of any solutions or any new information, I will make a video.
@@RamblingWolfman I am considering just returning the unit and upgrading to a AT-LP3XBT since its got tone arm adjustment and anti-skate adjustment plus the Bluetooth and auto start/stop like the LP60/70. Oh and on another review of the LP70 i found a guy in the comments who had skipping as well, so thats 4 in the last month.
@black2007cobaltss Man, I don't blame you at all. I'm going to watch some videos on that LP3X. I would appreciate it if you keep us updated on how you like the LP3XBT and how the return of the LP70 goes. Thanks again for watching and the info.
Yeah, changing the cartridge with a different stylus can help matters. Try LP Gear's Carbon Fidelity Elliptical Stylus, I use that on my LP60X instead of the conical stylus it originally comes with. Changing the felt mat with a better material can make things different too. I use an acrylic mat on my LP60X with great results.
Call Audio Technica and report this to them! Their contact info is on the paperwork included with the turntable. I tried to post the number, but "somebody" won't let me...🤔
Remember the tracking force and anti skate is set to the cartridge, the likely hood that the Marantz and Audio Technica cartridges are the same tracking force not likely. You need to look up the tracking force for each cartridge and set them accordingly.
The Audio Technica AT-70LPX is supposedly factory set to be spot on with regard to tracking force and anti-skate {it is intelligently designed to have a non-replaceable cartridge, but you can upgrade the stylus}. It seems improbable that this would be happening to three tables without perhaps some quality control issues coming to the fore. This table is VERY popular. Perhaps the demand is outstripping the company's ability to assure high quality. Call the company you bought it from and request a replacement.
Please post a new video if when and if you find the solution. I have the same story as you with this turntable. I purchased it just after Thanksgiving. My records are in like new condition. I have several turntables, fluance rt85, a atlp120, and a stanton t62. Records that play fine on all of those will not play without loop skipping on the 70x. Ugh. I checked the table for level with a bubble level. I also thought maybe the arm lift was not retracting all the way. I verified with a flashlight that it was retracted and not touching the tonearm lift ball. A different stylus with a sharper profile might be better, BUT it still should not be skipping with a conical. I thought abput it and all I can figure is the tonearm is too light to match the compliance of of the atvm95 series cantilever, OR they designed too much antiskate. I was going to check the antiskate with a blank geodisk but this table is back in its box cause I can't tolerate the skipping. I should have researched a little better before i bought it. Apparently this is a known issue in the forums. Ugh
Thicker records (180 grams) slightly change your VTA (Vert Tracking Angle). This can also be effected by a thicker mat. If the VTA is slightly off from the factory this can add up and cause skipping. Check your VTA. Having said that, the most likely culprit is the new and more accurate stylus generating more heat and friction. In this case, I would increase the tracking force and decrease the antiskate force. Picture disks can be challenging and I’m not sure I would judge my table’s performance with a picture disk. Good Luck
Why would you replace a Marantz with an lp70? I had an lp60 and had lots of skips, all un new records, not old ones. I replaced it with a pioneer pl514x with a sure hi track stylus and no skips at all.
If there's no debris on the record and the atlp70 is skipping randomly then probably the tonearm bearings are a bit tight or a bit loose... That's my guess
I have found, at least with my LP120X, that Audio Technica sometimes have antiskating issues. The old LP120's antiskate was weak to nonexistent so they "fixed" it by making it WAY too strong on the 120X. They say the antiskate should = the downforce, but I had to HALF that number on mine. I wonder if the LP70 is similar. At any rate, I'm sorry you have to go through this frustration. I'm sure you'll get it figured out. Try toning down that antiskate.
I had no idea that Audio Technica had a history of this. I'm hoping that this isn't a widespread problem, but if it is, I hope there is a solution. Unfortunately, I don't believe that there is any way to adjust anything on this table except for the speed. Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm really looking forward to being a part of the "budget" or "budget-ish" home audio community.👍🏻
@@RamblingWolfmanOh, sorry! I didn't know it didn't have antiskate. At any rate, I just Googled "LP70 skipping issues" and found others on forums with the same complaint. Unfortunately this seems to be a common problem with this system. You might want to look into having it returned. (I'm sorry!)
Hey, thanks for looking, man. I might keep it and look at making a series of sorts. Maybe I will attempt to contact Audio Technica and see how that goes.
Since there is a pop or click on the Marantz in the same spot that it skips on the Audio Technica, i would suspect there's some kind of debris in the grove of that pressing or it's just a bad pressing. The Audio Technica's cartridge and stylus just won't track it where the Marantz will. Have seen this before. Many of the new pressings are just not the quality of the older LPs. There's a lot of variables here like what are you using to clean the disc etc.
If the skipping is happening on the very same spot, I doubt it is a turntable issue alone. It could be that the weigh of the cartridge is not enough to play that part but that is an issue with the record, not the turntable. If it was an antiskate problem, it would skip in random places, not the same one over and over.
I havethis turntable. I have the Bluetooth model since mid October and I’ve had a lot of skipping issues. At first. I thought it was on old albums that I recently purchased at like flea markets or what not but I bought a few brand new albums and it’s done that at least on one side of practically every album I’ve played. It skips way more than it should.. now I’m kind of wishing I would’ve bought the Sony instead.
It sounds like a cartridge issue as the issue on the record repeats itself to a point where you know where its going to skip. The stylus points will be shaped differently and it looks like the AT stylus is riding the groove where your Marantz stylus isnt. A couple of things to suggest are: 1. Check the tips of the stylus with a light and magnifier and check for damage or debris on the stylus.2. Check that the turntable including the platter are level as if they aren't then that too can kick the tracking of the stylus out. 3. If you have any hifi store in your area see if they can try out a temporary cartridge change just to see if it is a cartridge problem. I used to have an AT 120 X but now have a Technica 1500C so I have some previous experience with using an AT turntable. I hope this helps. Dont let this experience put you off as its a great hobby to get into. Good luck.
Excellent advice. After 4 years of owning the LP60XBT, I made a couple of little upgrades to it last year. The stylus is now an elliptical, and the mat is now acrylic. Punches well above it's price point, and I've had absolutely no temptation to replace it with this new LP70X or anything else.
Hey, thanks, man! I have actually been doing some of these things, and I'm considering making another video on this subject. I love this hobby, and I actually love this turntable. I really just want it to work. Hopefully, all of this feedback and advice I'm getting here in the comments will help others as well. Thanks again.👍🏻
@31cify Hopefully, I can have similar results after a few upgrades over time. I love this turntable and hope to fix the problem. Thanks for watching.👍🏻
Let me make something clear: 1. I have replaced BOTH STYLI. One with the Micro Linear ($170) which AT sent me at no charge. It ALMOST corrected the problem..almost. 2. I put the ELLIPTICAL stylus on my other lp70x, and it changed NOTHING! 3. My records are SPOTLESS. The worst ones are brand new. 4. The tracking force is preset to 2.2 grams. Good enough. 5. My turntables are LEVEL...
Dang it, that sucks. If your heart isn't set on an Audio Technica I highly recommend a Fluance. I've had zero problems with mine. The RT80/81 are often on offer and with the removable headshell makes trying different cartridges easy.
Well, I'm probably going to be committed to this tt since it was a gift, and I'm loving it besides this occasional issue. I'm really considering contacting Audio Technica and seeing what they have to say. It is a bummer, for sure.
To all the geniuses praising eliptical, you better have a flat even record and your tonearm calibrated to perfection, otherwise you will be carving some grooves.
I just bought the same turntable and have played maybe 4 of my 1977 albums that I bought new back then and so far no problems. It could be the antiskate but as you know it is not adjustable. When you compare it to your Marantz player and it sounds different and doesn't skip either not at all or less keep in mind that what you are hearing is the difference in the phono cartridge/stylus more than the turntable itself. When anyone compares 2 turntables unless both tables have the same cartridge you are not hearing the tables as much as the cartridge/stylus. Ideally a good turntable should have a mostly neutral effect on the sound. You did mention that even your Marantz while it didn't skip it did pick up a "pop" sound indicating that the vinyl record itself has a defect which could cause the LP 70 to skip so that problem has more to do with the record and not the turntable. The Marantz simply handles that record defect better than the LP 70. In any case it wouldn't hurt to discuss the problem with Audio Technica if you feel the need to.
Yeah, I hear what you are saying, and I probably shouldn't have compared them in sound. I probably should have stayed on topic, but then again, I do like to ramble.😁 I was just so blown away by the sound deference that I couldn't contain myself. I'm glad to hear that not everyone is having problems with the skipping issues. I'm considering making yet another video about my latest experiences with the LP70X because it's another head scratcher. I might consider contacting Audio Technica and just seeing what they have to say. Thanks for watching and participating in the discussion.👍🏻
I could be wrong - so please forgive me in advance. The Marantz has a T4P (P-mount) cartridge. Those should have a tracking force of no more than 1.5g. Ideally they should track at 1.25g. But please look into that. For my taste, it seems too heavy. On the other hand, try the AT at 3g. I know that sounds like a lot, but keep in mind that for example the LP60 (with the 3600 cartridge) tracks at 3.5g. NONE of that will do any harm to your records, so I would say it's worth a try. Now for the anti skate settings... for the adjustable turntables the rule of thumb is, when your tracking force is set to 1.5, so should be the anti skate. If it's not adjustable, well there's nothing you can do, really. IF you want to know anyway, try getting a BLANK vinyl disc so you can SEE whether the stylus skates or not. All that being said, the Marantz is by far the better turntable. It SHOULD sound better than the AT. You may want to try and replace cartridge and/or stylus. Both don't last forever, I'm afraid, and the Marantz is getting on in years. Best of luck, sir!
I see Amazon reviews of them skipping. Enough of the reviews say the same thing that there is definitely something wrong. I wouldn't buy one because of it. Also, the noticeable pop you now hear with the Marantz is likely the AT damaging your record by skipping before. Sorry to say, the AT is damaging your albums. RETURN IT. And that difference in tracking force shouldn't have mattered.
Unplug it and move the tone arm from rest to spindle several times and check for more resistance towards the end of the album,,, the auto return mechanism may be not properly lubed from the factory or just need some working in… but make dam sure your anti skate is the same as your tracking force..
I would upgrade the stylus to the VMN95E - the black one. It's elliptical which means it comes to a point and rides the grooves much better, very reasonably priced and it sounds better than the blue version.
Why? I use the blue conical. New albums are dishwarped or warped off center. Why would I wanna carve the grooves out at the wrong angle with an eliptical?
Add a 1 gram weight to the tonearm it will correct the issue well enough I doubt there will be distortion from doing that and no skip is always a better time. Conical needs 3.5 grams IMO.
well the styls between the 2 turntables are different... try to adjust the tracking and maybe just a little more weight on the AT turntable just a lttle tad !! as what works for the marantz will not work for the ATyou can also look up the stylus model number and find out what the ideal weight is for that stylus !!!!
Does it have a counter wait on the back of the tone arm has anybody looked at that because if it's not waited down just correctly with the tone arm counter wait it will slip on the Grove sounding like a skip!!!! Maybe the stylus is defaulty and Its not 100% into the Grove when someone in the factory rubed on the stylus before installing it maybe they damaged it a bit? I'd call audio Technica it should be under warranty
They look like Ceramic Stylus, If they are, they will not be able to put up with today's recording's. You need to swap them out for Magnetic Stylus and Cartridge. As for the Anti-Skate, You can get a Record, that has a smooth side No Recording or grove on It 90's White Label Single Sided one will do. Or a old Lazar-Disc will do. Put the Arm half way across, and If It ravels towards the middle, Means you have too much. Turn the Dial the other way till the Arm rests In the Middle, then You are done. Tracking force for a 2-4gram Cart In 2:75 no more or less than this. Good Luck.
Keep the conical stylus. Elipticals are for perfectly flat records...which there are non in new pressings. You play a warped record with an eliptical , you will carve out some side grooves.
So glad you made this video. I purchased two of these and both kept skipping with records that weren’t skipping on my previous turntable.
I ended up returning both and bought a JBL . No issues whatsoever.
So glad you made this video. I purchased two of these and both kept skipping with records that weren’t skipping on my previous turntable. I even upgraded to the green stylus but no resolution.
I ended up returning both and bought a JBL . No issues whatsoever.
@@frankieritz if AT has a design issue hopefully they address it. Might be a batch of parts with the auto mechanism or maybe something as simple of something not being properly greased causing the arm to bind up with small movements. I’d check to see if the locked factory set anti-skate is ‘correct’ with an acrylic platter mat or test disc.
One thing to check is if the support that raises and lowers the arm is fully down when the arm lowers. Another thing is your Marantz table using the same style stylus? The LP70X comes with a conical stylus that type of stylus doesn’t track as deep in the groove as an elliptical or more advanced stylus. I use a LP120X with the same cartridge but have elliptical (bonded and nude types) and microlinear styli that I interchange between. Never had skips with either of those. Also have a Sony linear table with a Realistic Shure clone with an elliptical .2x.7 elliptical stylus. Never had skips on that.
The pop in your record leads me to believe that higher riding of the conical stylus in the groove causes the stylus to jump out of the groove. The fact it keeps repeating shows me that the factory set anti-skate is doing its job.
Agree here. These turntables typically cheap-out on the stylus, as suggested by above commenter. It’s unlikely to be adjustable but the azimuth (vertical alignment of the stylus) may just be off on this arm design. As commenter said, worth checking with a better quality stylus, assuming you like the rest of the turntable.
Another thought - picture discs are not known for their great pressing quality. Does this issue happen with a lot of normal lps or only a select few discs ? If the issue is widespread, it could be down to the LP70 which is a budget turntable - forgive the description !
I wonder if changing to an elliptical stylus might help with the skipping issues - it should fit the record goove better. It's a shame that the lp70 arm lacks tracking adjustments which wwould have helped with diagnosis. A lack of anti-skate can be an issue. Is your turntable on a level surface ? That can make a heck of a difference.
Is it possible the lifter is causing the skip? Can you check to see if it's down as far as it's supposed to be?
@@allenwoolard6386 Yup ! Check to see if there is any clearance between the lifter and the tonearm - there should be a gap visible.
I came here to look for a similar comment. I bought my 70x about 2 months ago. Started sounding awful.. looked at stylus and it was kicked to the left and ruined.. don’t think I caused it..but unsure.. anyway.. got the elliptical stylus in today ($49.99), an “upgrade”from the conical, and it’s a huge difference! 😮 for the 25$ difference
@@adambrantley5325 I'm happy for you.😀
All what I can say is it's not the VM95 Cartridge. I have a VM95 and VM530 Cartridge and both don't skip on my Dual DT400. But the recommended tracking force of the VM95 and VM500 Series is 2.0 grams.
Is the floor 'bouncy' and how steady is the stand?
There are expensive wall turntable shelves. DIY you could cut a shelf to size and mount it on wall behind, and above the stand. Add some affordable turntable upgrade feet.
It is not a long shot, vibrations may be picked up into the stand. The Lp might have a small defect or wave.
Make sure that the cueing lever bar goes all the way down.
@@ricksendeavors I saw that mentioned on a Google search I did. Can be a bit sticky
@@husky0877 I slid a piece of of paper between the two. Plenty of room (even though it doesn't look like it.
Oh, and the lifting bar for the cueing (arm lifter) is not contacting the lifter on the arm. I've replaced both platter mats with thicker rubber mats which should ensure this by lifting the arm higher when playing...my next step is to go inside the TT to see if something is causing a drag on tone arm lateral movement...keep you posted.
I got the same deck for Christmas and have the same issue with skipping/looping on brand new records. When it happens, it's always closer to the end of a side, usually last couple of tracks.
FWIW I have also upgraded the stylus to ML variant. Put on Rumours first, side A was flawless (sound quality improvement is insane) but had a minor skip on Oh Daddy on side B and was slighly hopeful. Then put on Hotel California and it entered an endless loop on The Last Resort :lolsob: So not sure a better stylus is gonna fully "fix" it.
Super frustrating as it's a great sounding deck otherwise esp. paired with a better stylus and an external preamp.
If it were me I would just upgrade the cartridge on the Marantz.
You can get the sound your looking for with just a cartridge upgrade.
Looks like a nice quality piece.
New is not always better.
My LP70X was skipping as well, the same kind where it loops. The nail in the coffin for me was when I purchased a new album and it skipped on the second track. I bought a LP120XUSB and it does not skip on records that were skipping on the LP70X.
I found that I had skips on the LP60 on albums that did not skip on other turntables. I was hoping they fixed on this new LP70x.
i picked up a AT-LP70XBT for my wife in Mid December for Christmas. We have played probably 10 different records since Christmas day, both new and old vinyl. We are getting more and more frequent skips, i am new to vinyl so i came across this trying to trouble shoot.
Well, dang! It definitely looks like this problem is not an isolated one. I was kind of hoping that people would tell me that they have the LP70 and have had none of the skipping issues. Maybe someone will see this and have a solution.
Thanks for watching and commenting. If I hear of any solutions or any new information, I will make a video.
@@RamblingWolfman I am considering just returning the unit and upgrading to a AT-LP3XBT since its got tone arm adjustment and anti-skate adjustment plus the Bluetooth and auto start/stop like the LP60/70. Oh and on another review of the LP70 i found a guy in the comments who had skipping as well, so thats 4 in the last month.
@black2007cobaltss Man, I don't blame you at all. I'm going to watch some videos on that LP3X. I would appreciate it if you keep us updated on how you like the LP3XBT and how the return of the LP70 goes.
Thanks again for watching and the info.
It looks like my comments aren't being posted!
Yeah, changing the cartridge with a different stylus can help matters. Try LP Gear's Carbon Fidelity Elliptical Stylus, I use that on my LP60X instead of the conical stylus it originally comes with. Changing the felt mat with a better material can make things different too. I use an acrylic mat on my LP60X with great results.
Call Audio Technica and report this to them! Their contact info is on the paperwork included with the turntable. I tried to post the number, but "somebody" won't let me...🤔
I'm actually working on that now. I plan on trying to document everything and make an episode on it.😁
Remember the tracking force and anti skate is set to the cartridge, the likely hood that the Marantz and Audio Technica cartridges are the same tracking force not likely. You need to look up the tracking force for each cartridge and set them accordingly.
and the cartridge will be a different weight. Tracking weight will need to be re zeroed
You cannot adjust the tracking force on an LP70.
@@Boggedy well you can by adding a few weights in the appropriate place , blu tack works well , you will need a stylus force scale
That would be tacky looking.@@patthewoodboy
The Audio Technica AT-70LPX is supposedly factory set to be spot on with regard to tracking force and anti-skate {it is intelligently designed to have a non-replaceable cartridge, but you can upgrade the stylus}. It seems improbable that this would be happening to three tables without perhaps some quality control issues coming to the fore. This table is VERY popular. Perhaps the demand is outstripping the company's ability to assure high quality. Call the company you bought it from and request a replacement.
"calibrated spot on" means they put a spring inside and call it a day. Those arms are really flimsy and have a TF of 3.5, which sounds excessive.
I received this turntable and have about 10 brand new records. Every single one skips nonstop. I’m just returning the table.
Please post a new video if when and if you find the solution. I have the same story as you with this turntable. I purchased it just after Thanksgiving. My records are in like new condition. I have several turntables, fluance rt85, a atlp120, and a stanton t62. Records that play fine on all of those will not play without loop skipping on the 70x. Ugh. I checked the table for level with a bubble level. I also thought maybe the arm lift was not retracting all the way. I verified with a flashlight that it was retracted and not touching the tonearm lift ball. A different stylus with a sharper profile might be better, BUT it still should not be skipping with a conical. I thought abput it and all I can figure is the tonearm is too light to match the compliance of of the atvm95 series cantilever, OR they designed too much antiskate. I was going to check the antiskate with a blank geodisk but this table is back in its box cause I can't tolerate the skipping. I should have researched a little better before i bought it. Apparently this is a known issue in the forums. Ugh
Thicker records (180 grams) slightly change your VTA (Vert Tracking Angle). This can also be effected by a thicker mat.
If the VTA is slightly off from the factory this can add up and cause skipping. Check your VTA.
Having said that, the most likely culprit is the new and more accurate stylus generating more heat and friction. In this case, I would increase the tracking force and decrease the antiskate force.
Picture disks can be challenging and I’m not sure I would judge my table’s performance with a picture disk.
Good Luck
None of those things are adjustable on this table.
Why would you replace a Marantz with an lp70? I had an lp60 and had lots of skips, all un new records, not old ones. I replaced it with a pioneer pl514x with a sure hi track stylus and no skips at all.
If there's no debris on the record and the atlp70 is skipping randomly then probably the tonearm bearings are a bit tight or a bit loose...
That's my guess
Thanks for watching and giving your perspective.
I have found, at least with my LP120X, that Audio Technica sometimes have antiskating issues. The old LP120's antiskate was weak to nonexistent so they "fixed" it by making it WAY too strong on the 120X. They say the antiskate should = the downforce, but I had to HALF that number on mine. I wonder if the LP70 is similar. At any rate, I'm sorry you have to go through this frustration. I'm sure you'll get it figured out. Try toning down that antiskate.
I had no idea that Audio Technica had a history of this. I'm hoping that this isn't a widespread problem, but if it is, I hope there is a solution. Unfortunately, I don't believe that there is any way to adjust anything on this table except for the speed.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm really looking forward to being a part of the "budget" or "budget-ish" home audio community.👍🏻
@@RamblingWolfmanOh, sorry! I didn't know it didn't have antiskate.
At any rate, I just Googled "LP70 skipping issues" and found others on forums with the same complaint. Unfortunately this seems to be a common problem with this system. You might want to look into having it returned. (I'm sorry!)
Hey, thanks for looking, man. I might keep it and look at making a series of sorts. Maybe I will attempt to contact Audio Technica and see how that goes.
Since there is a pop or click on the Marantz in the same spot that it skips on the Audio Technica, i would suspect there's some kind of debris in the grove of that pressing or it's just a bad pressing. The Audio Technica's cartridge and stylus just won't track it where the Marantz will. Have seen this before. Many of the new pressings are just not the quality of the older LPs. There's a lot of variables here like what are you using to clean the disc etc.
If the skipping is happening on the very same spot, I doubt it is a turntable issue alone. It could be that the weigh of the cartridge is not enough to play that part but that is an issue with the record, not the turntable. If it was an antiskate problem, it would skip in random places, not the same one over and over.
I havethis turntable. I have the Bluetooth model since mid October and I’ve had a lot of skipping issues. At first. I thought it was on old albums that I recently purchased at like flea markets or what not but I bought a few brand new albums and it’s done that at least on one side of practically every album I’ve played. It skips way more than it should.. now I’m kind of wishing I would’ve bought the Sony instead.
The ATVM95EN is a great choice, you won't be disappointed!
It sounds like a cartridge issue as the issue on the record repeats itself to a point where you know where its going to skip. The stylus points will be shaped differently and it looks like the AT stylus is riding the groove where your Marantz stylus isnt. A couple of things to suggest are: 1. Check the tips of the stylus with a light and magnifier and check for damage or debris on the stylus.2. Check that the turntable including the platter are level as if they aren't then that too can kick the tracking of the stylus out. 3. If you have any hifi store in your area see if they can try out a temporary cartridge change just to see if it is a cartridge problem. I used to have an AT 120 X but now have a Technica 1500C so I have some previous experience with using an AT turntable. I hope this helps. Dont let this experience put you off as its a great hobby to get into. Good luck.
Excellent advice. After 4 years of owning the LP60XBT, I made a couple of little upgrades to it last year. The stylus is now an elliptical, and the mat is now acrylic. Punches well above it's price point, and I've had absolutely no temptation to replace it with this new LP70X or anything else.
Hey, thanks, man! I have actually been doing some of these things, and I'm considering making another video on this subject. I love this hobby, and I actually love this turntable. I really just want it to work. Hopefully, all of this feedback and advice I'm getting here in the comments will help others as well. Thanks again.👍🏻
@31cify Hopefully, I can have similar results after a few upgrades over time. I love this turntable and hope to fix the problem. Thanks for watching.👍🏻
Is the album dishwarped? Picture discs usually are. If there is an inclination inward it can skip.
70X is too light on the stylus pressure or try some thin foam under the feet
Love the Bing Crosby / David Bowie Little Drummer Boy song. Hopefully you get the skipping figured out or Audio Technica does something about it.
Let me make something clear: 1. I have replaced BOTH STYLI. One with the Micro Linear ($170) which AT sent me at no charge. It ALMOST corrected the problem..almost. 2. I put the ELLIPTICAL stylus on my other lp70x, and it changed NOTHING! 3. My records are SPOTLESS. The worst ones are brand new. 4. The tracking force is preset to 2.2 grams. Good enough. 5. My turntables are LEVEL...
Dang it, that sucks. If your heart isn't set on an Audio Technica I highly recommend a Fluance. I've had zero problems with mine. The RT80/81 are often on offer and with the removable headshell makes trying different cartridges easy.
Well, I'm probably going to be committed to this tt since it was a gift, and I'm loving it besides this occasional issue. I'm really considering contacting Audio Technica and seeing what they have to say. It is a bummer, for sure.
@@RamblingWolfman Have you read the Amazon reviews for that album? Lots of people have had similar issues. I've just ordered it to try.
To all the geniuses praising eliptical, you better have a flat even record and your tonearm calibrated to perfection, otherwise you will be carving some grooves.
I had a lp60 that would randomly skip on some things I got rid of it
I just bought the same turntable and have played maybe 4 of my 1977 albums that I bought new back then and so far no problems. It could be the antiskate but as you know it is not adjustable. When you compare it to your Marantz player and it sounds different and doesn't skip either not at all or less keep in mind that what you are hearing is the difference in the phono cartridge/stylus more than the turntable itself. When anyone compares 2 turntables unless both tables have the same cartridge you are not hearing the tables as much as the cartridge/stylus. Ideally a good turntable should have a mostly neutral effect on the sound. You did mention that even your Marantz while it didn't skip it did pick up a "pop" sound indicating that the vinyl record itself has a defect which could cause the LP 70 to skip so that problem has more to do with the record and not the turntable. The Marantz simply handles that record defect better than the LP 70. In any case it wouldn't hurt to discuss the problem with Audio Technica if you feel the need to.
Yeah, I hear what you are saying, and I probably shouldn't have compared them in sound. I probably should have stayed on topic, but then again, I do like to ramble.😁 I was just so blown away by the sound deference that I couldn't contain myself.
I'm glad to hear that not everyone is having problems with the skipping issues. I'm considering making yet another video about my latest experiences with the LP70X because it's another head scratcher. I might consider contacting Audio Technica and just seeing what they have to say. Thanks for watching and participating in the discussion.👍🏻
I would replace the stylus with the ATVM95E. The elliptical will track better.
Is the album dishwarped like most picture discs? If is it can.
I could be wrong - so please forgive me in advance. The Marantz has a T4P (P-mount) cartridge. Those should have a tracking force of no more than 1.5g. Ideally they should track at 1.25g. But please look into that. For my taste, it seems too heavy. On the other hand, try the AT at 3g. I know that sounds like a lot, but keep in mind that for example the LP60 (with the 3600 cartridge) tracks at 3.5g. NONE of that will do any harm to your records, so I would say it's worth a try. Now for the anti skate settings... for the adjustable turntables the rule of thumb is, when your tracking force is set to 1.5, so should be the anti skate. If it's not adjustable, well there's nothing you can do, really. IF you want to know anyway, try getting a BLANK vinyl disc so you can SEE whether the stylus skates or not. All that being said, the Marantz is by far the better turntable. It SHOULD sound better than the AT. You may want to try and replace cartridge and/or stylus. Both don't last forever, I'm afraid, and the Marantz is getting on in years. Best of luck, sir!
You cannot adjust the tracking force on an LP70.
I see Amazon reviews of them skipping. Enough of the reviews say the same thing that there is definitely something wrong. I wouldn't buy one because of it. Also, the noticeable pop you now hear with the Marantz is likely the AT damaging your record by skipping before. Sorry to say, the AT is damaging your albums. RETURN IT. And that difference in tracking force shouldn't have mattered.
Are they both the same type of stylus? Elliptical vs Conical could make a difference.
Unplug it and move the tone arm from rest to spindle several times and check for more resistance towards the end of the album,,, the auto return mechanism may be not properly lubed from the factory or just need some working in… but make dam sure your anti skate is the same as your tracking force..
Antiskate is not adjustable.
I would upgrade the stylus to the VMN95E - the black one. It's elliptical which means it comes to a point and rides the grooves much better, very reasonably priced and it sounds better than the blue version.
Why? I use the blue conical. New albums are dishwarped or warped off center. Why would I wanna carve the grooves out at the wrong angle with an eliptical?
I assume you tried cleaning the stylus as a build up of crud on the stylus can cause skipping !
Im wondering as the AT is so much lighter it's picking up vibration. Maybe put it on an isolation base.
Watching it skip, maybe not. I don't know what the stylus is on the Marantz but the conical on the 95C rides higher in the groove. Does the E do it?
@@husky0877 on the LP70X, yes.
Thee arm azimuth at the wrong angle?
Add a 1 gram weight to the tonearm it will correct the issue well enough I doubt there will be distortion from doing that and no skip is always a better time. Conical needs 3.5 grams IMO.
The VTF spec for the atvm95 series is 1.8-2.2 grams. The 3600L conical can handle that much weight but I doubt this one could..
@@daleanderson8685I use one on 1.9. Never a skip.
Is your turntables level? If it's not level it can skip.
the marazntz is a pmount and should be tracking at 1.25
well the styls between the 2 turntables are different... try to adjust the tracking and maybe just a little more weight on the AT turntable just a lttle tad !! as what works for the marantz will not work for the ATyou can also look up the stylus model number and find out what the ideal weight is for that stylus !!!!
You cannot adjust the tracking force on an LP70. Nor antiskate.
The new at turntable is not adjusted correctly.. anti skate, or something is off… there is no other reason it would skip
The needle is not the best. I personally would try a better one, like the elliptical, or the fine line. Maybe it stops skipping with this upgrade.
Does it have a counter wait on the back of the tone arm has anybody looked at that because if it's not waited down just correctly with the tone arm counter wait it will slip on the Grove sounding like a skip!!!! Maybe the stylus is defaulty and Its not 100% into the Grove when someone in the factory rubed on the stylus before installing it maybe they damaged it a bit? I'd call audio Technica it should be under warranty
Change the stylus, the blue one is the bottom of the range at £30
if there is no deep scratch it should not jump, if it jumps it means that the problem is in the turntable itself
They look like Ceramic Stylus, If they are, they will not be able to put up with today's recording's. You need to swap them out for Magnetic Stylus and Cartridge. As for the Anti-Skate, You can get a Record, that has a smooth side No Recording or grove on It 90's White Label Single Sided one will do. Or a old Lazar-Disc will do. Put the Arm half way across, and If It ravels towards the middle, Means you have too much. Turn the Dial the other way till the Arm rests In the Middle, then You are done. Tracking force for a 2-4gram Cart In 2:75 no more or less than this. Good Luck.
Look again.
Your new here 😂
Keep the conical stylus. Elipticals are for perfectly flat records...which there are non in new pressings. You play a warped record with an eliptical , you will carve out some side grooves.
Nonsense.
This is why people got rid of this garbage back in the 80s.
That's a really helpful comment. 😂