Write Now - Ep.147: Traveling with Fountain Pens!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- On Episode 147 of Write Now, Adrianne & Drew talk about different pens, cases, & accessories that are good options for traveling!
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Want to hear more about Adrienne’s pens & her color coding!
Bev Reed I do too.
I LOVE INKS! Have been housebound for 15 years, write to about 30 people, and have three journals I write in every day. I have 34 pens (inexpensive mostly like Metros, Plaisirs, Lamys, Kakunos) inked up in five small plastic stackable trays that I rotate through. I keep a small notebook to tell me which ink is in which pen. Don't need a fancy pen case because I rarely leave home, but they sure do look beautiful! :)
Aaah this is my first time seeing Adrianne and I love her! Please have her on Write Now more! Thank you! ^o^
And I want to see her tell us more about her Traveler's pen... It makes a beautiful piece of jewelry and I need to do this for my mother. It would change her life... Seriously.
I keep 12 inked up. Rotating through two a day that way I can make sure everybody gets equal attention throughout the week. My only problem pen has been a bold Lamy with sheen ink in it, other than that all ink flows freely.
Nice, fun and informative video.
Deciding what to travel with is a interesting problem to think about. This summer holidays, I am going to pack a 3-pen Visconti pen case which will hold a Pelikan M805 (silver, demonstrator) inked up before I leave; this one is for serious writing, in a Leuchturm 1917 notebook I never go without. The second pen will be a Pelikan M600, (this summer the White Turquoise). And the third will be a Sailor pro gear large size 21K nib, (this summer the Mocha Brown special edition). I will also take a Visconti travelling ink pot, (filled with Iroshizuku Asa Gao blue) and a Pineider travelling ink well filled with Pelikan Edelstein Smoky Quartz brown- two of my all-time favourite inks. But for the beach, general carrying in a ruck sack, etc. I have two TWSBI Ecos (a 1.1 stub black and a medium demonstrator)...
If I were travelling on business, I would take a more "office" pen, like the Pelikan M 805 Stresemann.
And who knows, I might even buy a pen while on holiday!
I have about a dozen pens inked up all the time. Like Adrianne, I color code my notes at work. I have a pen for my gaming journal. I always have one with a nano black (TWSBI 580ALR). And a couple pens with interesting inks that I change out. Currently two Opus 88 pens with Lamy Crystal inks.
Opus 88 pens are hard to beat when it comes to traveling as far as the ink capacities are concerned. ....especially with the F or EF nibs. Then there are the Noodler's Ababs with the .308 cartridges as well (for traveling and ink capacities concerned).
I'm in the Drew camp, have a max of five inked up, way too hard to keep track if I have more.
BTW I think Adrian "wore it better" 😊😊😊😊
I have the same pen case as Drew (amongst other small cases) and 3 is also the max number of FPs I will have inked up at once. If one gets in the rotation, one will get cleaned up and placed back in one of the larger case.
I have at least 50 fountain pens - Thank You Goulet Pens! :-) - but only keep about 4 or 5 inked up at a time. I use those until it is time to refill the ink and then I switch to another pen and ink coloe
I have only two pens that I use, I use them almost daily and they are both inked up. I have a Parker Duofold Centenial BB gold tip edition that rarely ever leaves my desk and stays at home that I have been using more and more over the past couple years. Because that pen is extra fancy and I don't want to risk losing it, I also got a Lamy Logo fine tip steel nib that I have been using as my daily driver which I take to work with me everyday. Love that one since it clips to my shirt although the stainless steel nib doesn't really compare to a gold double wide.
@Adrianne I think the Pilot Kakuno is incredibly underrated. (I should admit I've never used a Plaisir though I have several Preppys) but I love the Kakuno. It has a great nib and it can fit the CON 70 converter which has a gigantic ink supply and is easy to clean and fill. Brian has videos on how to fill, but to clean you squirt water up the center shaft with a blunt syringe. I'm not sure if the ones Goulet sells is big enough, but I have some other blunt syringes that fit around the center tube of the CON 70. Then just squirt water up it until the water is clear.
I carry about 18 pens between work and home in multiple Nock cases. Though admittedly I mostly only use 12 really regularly.
I keep my non-inked in the Monteverde 36 case, my currently inked is limited to what can be stored in the Giologio Oxblood 24 case.
Day-to day, I travel with either my Visconti or Nock Lookout 3 pen case, and a Retro 51 Rollerball in a sleeve. I'll pick my 3 each day or for the week from the "currently inked" case depending on activity, theme, and/or outfit. For a pen meetup, I'll bring my 24 pen case instead. I have a Passport size TN notebook for personal notes and planning, and the standard size for work BuJo.
For outdoor/camping then criteria includes durability and non-limited editions (Karas, Procyon, Safari, etc.) . For conferences/business, then a Vanishing Point, Visconti, and TWSBI are common.
I’m with ya DREW!! I LOVE WINTER. I guess it’s convenient I live in a state shaped like a mitten. I have 2 of those cases in o blood and LOVE THEM. I have anywhere from 8 to 23 pens inked up and use them for journaling, practicing my handwriting, letter writing and the rock your hand writing challenge.
I LOVE how Goulet folk love their pens! Nothing more assuring than to be sold pens (& inks,) by folk as geeky & knowledgeable as myself. I usually have 7 pens inked in different colors. 4 Pelikan 400's with matching inks. 2 Platinum 3776's with variable inks, and 1 Sailor 1911 strictly for black ink and bad (absorbent) paper & drawing. Currently my black is Platinum Carbon Ink (although Noodler's X-Feather or BP Black work just as well.)
I have an oxblood 3 pen case that I use regularly. Plus I have 3-5 at any time inked and in various TN pen loops that also get used on a regular basis.
My inked pens keep expanding, so I may have to rein it in. I try to travel with about six inked pens: five are in my 3-Pen Nock holder (Sinclair?) and the other one in my shirt pocket. I also carry a cheap Bic Clic Stic ballpoint and a Uni Kuru Toga .07 pencil (but we don’t talk about those). My most reliable paper supply is a top-spiral Clairefontaine 21x14 notebook. Typically, I do not carry an ink supply until it is a few short, international cartridges. My next purchase will be a Hawaiian shirt like Drew’s!
Just cleaned two, so I'm down to 10 inked up and I use them all.🌻 My surprise pen was the Diplomat Magnum, that nib is bouncy and writes like a dream.
Thank you, Drew and Adrianne.
I max out at 3 pens inked. I'm with you Drew!
I have ten pens inked up that I carry with me daily. I probably use at least 6 different pens on any given day. At work, I'll select three pens and have them out for general note-taking and record-keeping activities. At home, I switch and use three different pens for journaling and doodling and practicing calligraphy.
Not all my pens are "writers" - I carry a Pilot Parallel 2.4 mm stub. It's too fat for regular writing, but inked up with something shimmery, it lays down great lines.
I always have paper on hand - at work it's Rhodia pads, while at home it's Goulet Notebook refills with that lovely Tomoe River paper. I also have a Rhodia goalbook that goes with me everywhere, and a Leuchtturm 1917 5 year Memory book.
My current formula for travel is three large-capacity (piston or vac filler) pens: two fines and a fine-medium, one inked with black and the others with different shades of blue. On a recently 3-week trip to Asia I took a Pilot 823, a Pilot Custom Heritage 92 and a Sailor Realo in a Nock Lookout case. The CH 92 returned home empty, and the other two with small amounts of ink.
I keep 2 pens inked at all times. My Visconti Homosapiens dark age with Diamine Oxford blue and the matte blue Pilot Vanishing point with Noodler's legal blue.
I have 6 of my 7 pens inked up. The 7th is for special occasions, its a waterman C/F.
I've have too many pens inked up to be honest, I carry 4 pens daily and have some in the completely full Monteverde 36 case that has some inked for special projects or journaling. Also since "penabling" my wife she got a set of the shark pens that she also gives to others like Adrienne (my favorite Goulet staff btw). My travel pens are Kaweco AL Sports, and I also carry a Pilot Petit and a Bic fountain pen from Amazon in my Travel notebook setup.
I have 5 pens inked rn and I carry all of then in a roll up case and I normally carry a sketch book with me that had mixed media paper as well and some mechanical pencils
I always have 15-20 of my 49 pens inked up and ready to write when I want. And I do use them all regularly.
As for travel anywhere, I have for long taken exactly three pens with me. The Lamy 2000, Rotring 600, and Waterman Expert III. Sometimes, I’d replace the Rotring with my Sheaffer Legacy.
I have 2 Montblanc 149's at home (one with black and the other a blue black ink) that I use for Chinese practice (to encourage me to practice my characters), I have a Pilot VP extra fine on my desk at work. I carry two cases in my backpack to work every day: a Visconti Dream Touch 3 pen case that is the Major League and carries my current favs, and a 12 pen case that is the minor league, but only 6 of them can be inked at a given time, so if a pen falls out of favor, they get sent down to the minors and someone gets the call to come up to the Big Show. (I call it getting sent down to Tidewater on account of the minor league baseball team there, was a farm team for the Mets at some point, and I knew I guy who was sent there back in the 80's, so it stuck). So...its 3 in heavy rotation, 6 inked and in reserve and 6 not inked; that is what I carry. With the ones in a stationary location, the is 12 pens inked at a given time. Though the ones that travel can change from time to time, the ones at work and home are pretty much set.
:)
The Over/UnderThinker ...Really interesting to hear. Only goes to show the passion and personal quirks regarding our pens and the way we use them that we fountain pen fanatics all over the world share.
On another note, I have far more pens than I do inks. And I have decided not to buy any more pens for at least another year or more. I’m starting to dislike the idea of having splendid pens lying around unused. I’d like to use all my 49 pens..but I can’t say I have succeeded doing that recently. I don’t want to part with any of them either. So, I’ll stop buying and start using all of the ones I already have. My every day carry list of pens is a sizeable lot. Not a day of the year goes by in which I have not used at least one of my pens.
@@sajjadhusain4146 I find my tastes change over time and even though some pens don't get used regularly, in a few years they might be in heavy rotation. I sometimes think "didn't I have a ......" and then I find it and it moves to the top of the list, so don't despair. Live a healthy life and hopefully you will be around long enough to give each pen a good usage! :)
but I certainly know how you feel. I buy pens for a year or two, don't buy any for a year or two, buy for a few months when I see something new, don't even look for a few months; I am pretty streaky and I need time to "digest" my acquisitions, so I put it on pause until I have gotten a chance to use what I have already bought. There are so many new and lovely pens coming out each year that if you look, you will want to buy! I bet that is their secret plan! ;)
The Over/UnderThinker ...Ha, I have spent a mini fortune on my fountain pens and inks. If this is an addiction and a vice, I console myself with the thought that there are myriad more and far worse vices than loving, buying and using a ton of splendid fountain pens. You give me hope with your advice to not fret too much over not using many of my pens. I won’t. It’s just that I was never a hoarder or a ‘collector’ - but a dedicated and avid user who loves to write with all my pens. I’m on the verge of ordering one final pen - the Aurora Duo Cart - from Gouletpens this week as soon as I’m alerted of its availability.
Another ‘hobby’ which I’m really fond of is buying and using various DE (double edge) safety razors for my wet shaving. But let me not even start on that. 😀
Cheers always!
@@sajjadhusain4146 You will get around to most of them in time. Trust that it will work out. Even if not, you will have had a lifetime of great experiences!
:)
I keep between 8 to 10 inked up at all times. When I travel I'll bring those and a bonus empty. I love my pens, but I also REALLY love my inks. I use them all. 5 of them I always ink the same. The others I'll use different inks in. At the front of each new journal I'll swatch out the pens and label the colors. Between new notebooks I'll do a new swatch page and add a flag.
I use the Plunger-syringe Drew demonstrated to refill cartridges. Advice: Fill the cartridge SLOWLY, and always have a bright light in the background. I currently have 38 inked pens scattered around the house. I rotate through them by choosing one at random when I need to write something. I don't carry ink with me, but I always travel with a cartridge pen; I check to see that it is full before I leave.My notebook is a Day-Timer. The paper is not an ink-friendly type, so I always have a fine-nibbed pen with me, as well as a fine-tipped Pilot G-2 05 ball-point pen.These Pilots use gel ink & write very well. I don't use pen cases/kimonos. If one of my pens gets scratched or dinged, no big deal; I use them to WRITE with, not to display. I have a mix of both high-dollar pens and cheap ones. My rule is, they have to write well.
i keep 6 pens inked up, i'm a civil engineering student (lots of notes and multi page math problems). 2 in black 2 in blue 1 orange for noting screw ups and a green for noting fixes. i have been known to use all of them on napkin style tech drawings to identify different aspects clearly, just before i go build the thing of doodles. the most resent doodle is a possible solution to Eye dropper filled pens tendency to burp when they get low. hoping to print a prototype and test soon. What would be a good (common and cheap) nib/ size?
I keep fifteen pens inked up and use them every day!!
I typically have 11 pens inked (down from 13, I am so proud), and typically refill 4 or 5 each week.
Ok, now I need a traveler’s pen with a necklace chain! What a good idea!
For travelling, I have a Kaweco Sport & Perkeo, with cartridges. A Zebra X-701 BP in case I need a backup in an emergency. All knock around pens in a MUJI denim pen pouch, with a 8.5x12 mm grid notebook.
81 currently inked. I admit I could have less pens inked but I like them ready to go at all times.
I have about 16 pens I keep inked and use daily/ weekly. Some are in separate packs so that is the only place they're used. The rest are in my pen case for daily journal and to do list stuff. I also buy inexpensive pens like the preppy for students who say, "Hey, that's a cool pen", as most of them have never seen a fountain pen. Didn't know about the shark, so I'm ordering some of them today. Thanks.
I have about 30 Inked Up, used regularly w/index cards ink/pen. I have 200+ ink samples & 2 or 3 in my purse
Right now I have 5 of my 6 pens inked up! I keep four of them in my raymay topliner pencil case (my collection right now is mostly inexpensive knock about pens so they’re just fine in there). Love having my pens and a clairefontaine notebook ready to go to a coffee shop or school!
I own and use 7 pens at one time. I also have 7 inks and I love to use a different colour every day. I also often use between 2-4 pens a day because I love colour
I keep 6 -7 inked. There is a 2 pen vintage Sheaffer desk set that stays on my office desk and then 4 or 5 randos in my pen case.
Hay Dew & Adrianne . I typically will have 3-4 pens inked up , the forth is generally the one waiting to be cleaned . two for journaling and one for letter writing . Lexington Grey i agree is a great ink , not only does it look great but its permanent so great for envelopes and postcards.
36 pens inked and all in constant rotation. I travel with five and have no EDC as my place of employment is too fast paced for the care required for when using a FP.
I have about 12 pens inked up, and I use 3-5 per day but rotate them throughout the week.
I just got the full set of jinhao sharks and I have to agree- it would seem wrong to ink one up with a non-corresponding color! 💜
I limit myself to 10 or fewer. I do use a lot of pens regularly. I have pens I use for pen pal letters (which I write every few days), pens I use for daily journaling, and pens I use for work. I used to ink up everything at once, but after spending 2 hours cleaning pens this weekend, i've decided to slow down. :)
This was awesome A+
i have 4 inked up...and since i work in law enforcement....i wear the TWSBI GO smokey black inked up in waterman deep blue....or MONT BLANC ink...i forgot the name of it but it smells like whiskey... the brown ink...i love that color....
I now have a minimum of 12 inked up but I carry at least 24 pens in an Oxblood 24 pen case when travelling so I can ink up some others if need be. I also try to colour code pens and ink.
So I have ten pens currently inked up and in active use. I've become a fan of color coding my work things over the past few years, so when I got into FPs, I needed to keep that up. Five TWSBI Ecos (Black, Red, Blue, Green, Orange) with matching inks, as well as a Lamy Al-Star purple with matching ink. The other four are not matched, charcoal Safari with a different purple (fairly permanent match here, unless I end up getting a purple pen that matches the ink color), and three random matches, Metropolitan with grey, broad Vista with Kon-Peki, and some Jinhao pen with Diamine Sunset.
On top of those, I also have four pens inked at home that I don't actively use much... A turquoise Al-Star with matching ink (for a story I'm writing for every now and then), a couple pens with cartridges popped in so... no taking those out, and a TWSBI GO Stub with purple at the moment, but really whatever I feel like writing in a stub with.
Last time I traveled, I took the same ten pens that I take to work. Granted, I think I only actually used one or two, because I don't color code as much in my personal life (or journal nearly as much), but I like to have the option if I feel like it. Got a plane trip coming up in August, and I'm thinking of just inking up those ten again to the max to minimize air and then just rolling with that. Maybe bring a couple of sample vials to refill the Lamys because those converters run out of ink a lot faster than the TWSBIs.
I never have any fewer than 6 pens inked up at the same time (and I use all of them). However, sometimes things go out of control and I find myself with 20 inky nibs, especially if I grab thinner pens and they all fit in my case xD
I have 5 always inked up at a time. One new pen for every work day. I then swap these out for 5 new pens at the first of the month. I manage to then rotate through my pen collection three times a year.
I usually have 3-5 inked up at a time. One ALWAYS has Lexington gray, one with a blue ink, and at least one with a fun ink that corresponds to the color of the pen
Late on this response of course. But currently, I will be only having two pens inked up. I would travel with at most 3 pens. I just ordered a Girologio 3-pen case. I might get the Pineider Traveling inkwell some time, but not sure what case will be able to fit that. I don't bring inks with me... yet. Have not planned on that just yet.
I have about 7 pens inked up at the moment but I use my pilot Elite and my twsbi precision (both ef) for daily heavy use (school). The rest lies at home for joywriting
I have between 10-15 inked up and use the Giologieo ox blood 24 for these pens and I have a piece of paper in the case with the pen and ink details. This enables me to check the ink flow and keep a record for when I clean the pens. I always have at least one pen, usually a shark, inked with Noodler’s no feather so I can write on the cheap paper if there is nothing else. All my other pens are kept in Monteverde 36 pen slot but might have to find some other system as I have three of them and will need another soon..
Correction: "This penables me..." 😁
While travelling, I will take my Lamy Safari and All-Star. For ink, it's cartridges only. Our trips can be busy and hectic, seeing many places in a short amount of time. Also, we mostly walk when exploring new cities (and some that we've visited before) and I'm carrying my camera (or 2) and a couple of extra lenses so I don't have the space for a lot of pens.
I'm still new to fountain pens so finding my feet so not set on a specific pen. I have 12 pens of which 8 are inked... 4 Lamys with different ink and different nibs, a Twsbi Vac 700R, Pen BBS 309, Opus 88 Clear demo and Leonardo Momento Zero... all different inks.
I keep 3 fountain pens inked up but I use one at a time cause most of them are cartridge converters and an eye dropper just in case
I'm trying to minimize the number of pens I keep inked up but on average, I keep 3-5 pens inked up at a time.
I keep three pens inked up. My pilot metro green pen with blue ink. Fine nib and it’s a go to pen I use at work. It does carbon.
Then I have two Karas Kustoms, one with black in a fine or medium nib and a green one with a stub. It is inked up in blue. Those three are always ready to go and have converters.
I have 3-5 pens inked up at any one time, one for my traveler's notebook and one or two on my desk at work and one or two on my desk at home. That's more than enough colours and types of pens for everyday use for me. Some drop in and out of rotation and others stay. :-)
Inked up and in use, probably 6ish
I have most of my 35 pens inked up. I jump around a lot, but I am finding an unconscious bias toward my Pilots Vanishing Point and Custom 74. But my Custom 845 and Montblanc 149 go everywhere with me. Everywhere. And my Lamy 2000, and...
3 inked up for max, I think that's the best for me.
Always have around 20 pens inked at a time. (or more) Write or doodle with one for a short time move over to next that intreagues me.
I, like Drew, try to stick to having only three pens inked up at a time. I feel like that way I rotate through my collection more quickly and I find it more manageable to carry them with me. Sometimes I'll go over three if I want to ink a particular nib for a certain task (I usually write with mediums and broads, but will ink a pen with a fine nib if I know I have a lot of grading of student work to do) and I'm not quite as strict as Drew about having to clean out a pen to ink up another. I do try to get back to three as quickly as I can, though, when I'm over. For carbon copy forms and crappy paper, I carry a Pilot Metropolitan rollerball as a backup and I don't count that in my three. All that goes in a Nock Sinclair.
I usually have all 20ish inked up, but at the moment I only have 3 (I just got back from many months abroad and I'd only had 2 pens with me). I need to ink up more!
I have 7 pens inked at the moment. 1 that stays at the office, and 6 that I rotate through with 2 in my pocket at any time.
I have about 3-5 pens for me and 2-3 pens for my wife all inked at the same time. Once I get past 3 pens it can be difficult to remember what ink I used months later, so I started a currently inked journal!
when I travel, I take a Delfonics medium utility pouch. Has everything from watercoloring stuff to pens and inks. I only really ink 3-4 pens per week, and if it's a sample I'm trying out, I just put the little bottle in a plastic pouch, in case of spills. I want a FP case, but I've yet to see one I really like
I keep 12 pens inked and on the go with me every day! They are used daily.
I do my best to only have 3 to 5 inked up at once. If its 3 they all get dry at the same time and cleaning is quick and easy. Right now I have 6. A very rare thing.
I only keep one inked.
I'd say about 7-9 pens inked up at a time
I have 9 Inked right now all of them different colors. I rotate to keep track of how much I write.
I've got 4 pens inked and in use at this moment and probably half a dozen more that are awaiting cleaning.
I keep 2 or 3 inked up in my Nock Sinclair case in my bag at all times. But when I rotate them, I don’t always clean my pens right away lol. So I have like 6 in my large case I need to clean.
I normally have 3 pens inked up lamy safari or jinhao x750 or 450 with noodlers USS Texas ink and Twisbi precision with diamine marine and to travel I take a noodlers Charlie it has a giant ink capacity and if I lose it its a $8 pen not super expensive
I have five Jinhao sharks - all inked and all used regularly!
I keep only two pens inked up at a time, out of a dozen or so. I keep them in a Nock pen case that I can just tuck into a pocket and take with me when I go places.
Probably 1-3 if I had 3 and I’d probably try to limit myself to three so I get what I really really want 😊
10 to 15.
4 - 6 pens inked up and used at the same time out of my 32 pens.
I don't have a large collection and I am relatively new to the hobby. I've fountain pens for almost ten years, but did not start collecting until the past few months. Went to my first show a this year. I did not want to get into the bad habit of having all of my pens inked with nothing to do with them. I do a LOT of writing, but I only have three notebooks that have fountain pen friendly paper. Some of the colors are no good for writing excerpts like Apache Sunset. So I have only four pens inked and I'm like Drew. If I decide to ink a new pen, I clean and store an inked one.
1. Lachieva EF Monteverde Emirite
2. Pilot Metropolitan F Noodler's Lexington Gray
3. Jinhao Dragon M Pilot Iroshizuku Fuyu-gaki
4. TWSBI Eco Transparent Orange 1.1 mm stub Pilot Iroshizuku Syo-Ro
2-3 inked up at once
I have six pens inked up and I’m considering to clean one and put it on the side( 2 Lamy Vista , one Lamy all Stars , kaweco Sport und two chines pen )
I keep two inked up with two different colors. One on me and the other in my back pack.
I try to stick to five inked at a time, but right now I have seven. I envy people who use and collect colored pencils. 🙂
What’s the 3-ring top on the ink sampler container?
It's not something we sell, but they're just hole reinforcing labels (like this: www.amazon.com/Avery-Hole-Reinforcements-White-1000/dp/B00006IBUZ ) - Colin
I did have 8 now I have 5 inked up a few stubs and some normal M nibs, one F.
I have 7 inked up
I have 20 pens inked and use them ofc some more than others but if the pen isnt inked with the color I have it in then I will miss it and hope to have it inked so all in all none of the pens are drying out bc I dont use them
Drew, I do the same thing and I have the same case! 👍
All my pens
42 inked.
15 inked up...about 25 pens total? I sometimes feel like I have too many inked up, but then another package from Goulet shows up at the door! ;)
The traveler's pen doesn't take bottled ink. That's my complaint! Otherwise I'd wear it everyday just like that!
Taylor Bowman I never bought a converter for my safari, but I have a plastic pipette laying around. I just use that to fill up an old cartridge and it works like a dream. Maybe that could work for you?
@@loganbohlinger8692 I actually feel kinda dumb. I've refilled cartridges before with my ink syringe while I was waiting on converters... Thanks!
One pen is inked with blue-black at any time.
Bruh when Adrienne turned that page I physically stepped back from my laptop 😂
Fun :)
I don't wear shorts, either, Drew. Like yourself, I'm fair-complected. I'm afraid if I wore short I'd have to warn people that if they looked at my white legs it would damage their eyes like looking into the sun. No bueno.