Can We Make This Strange Rivarossi Locomotive Run Again?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- I wasn't aware Rivarossi made these types of locomotives until a few weeks ago when I was sent one in the mail. Unfortunately this locomotive didn't run so today I thought we'd have a go at fixing it. It had several small problems and it also required some basic lubrication. I'd like to thank Lyndon for sending this engine.
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Glad you were were able to get it fixed Harrison, and happy to see that it is a good runner!
As far as the screw situation is concerned, I don't think there was ever a 2nd screw there, the shell originally had a tab at the back of it, where it would fit into the main frame of the locomotive, which would hold the back of the locomotive to the shell, at some point, this got broken off, hence why the shell is loose, and the frame slightly damaged.
-Lyndon
I will have see if it can be repaired some how. I suspect your right about the screw situation since if there were a rear screw it would appear to go into the motor...
Interesting stuff
These K-M locos had a lot of problems with getting enough air at high altitudes and in tunnels. Southern Pacific and Denver & Rio Grande Western tried them, but they just didn't do the job very well.
Interesting.
John wouldn't oxygen bottles compensate the high altitude thin air issue?
@@lawnmowermanTX no, you need a whole lot more air/oxygen than you can get from bottles...
@@truckertj2109 Understood, as a Native El Paso resident i was used to thin air high altitudes by the Franklin Mountains. Most diesel locomotives are fuel injected and need proper adjustments for high altitude thin air operations. Steam engines use boilers for converting water to steam pressure for the engines. Diesels need 16 to 1 compression and “thicker” air to burn diesel. Yet I’m sure experiment locomotives was trial and error.
@@lawnmowermanTX direct-injected liquid-ox would work but, wow, at what point do you stop throwing money at it?
Nice to see it running again, and running pretty well. Rivarossi sold these in sets where one unit was a dummy, with a horn powered by an 1.5 battery. I had one when I was young, but it never really ran well - maybe it would have needed more tender loving care. BTW, if you want to remove the motor, there is a fork that can be accessed just at the top of the drive bogie; there are three semicircular surfaces each side just at the top of each bogie, and on the rear bogie, one of them is fake and actually holds a fork which keeps the motor in place. Pull it out with a pair of needle nosed pliers and the motor just lifts out IIRC.
The brass gears are fantastic. Someone needs to tell Bachmann and Rapido to watch this clip and get rid of their stupid splitting plastic gears.
Looks like you got another good one Harrison! I was surprised with its pulling power being that it's only 4 wheel drive, but the fact it has that rear weight really helps!
It also has traction tires which gives it a boost.
Unique...and she looks great on your layout. Good job!
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I remember this story about the K-M engines on the SP: The K-M had sent several techs to the US to oversee the engines. They were horrified when they learned that Espee had sent them from St. Louis to LA on a couple of round trips without changing the oil. Espee officials said that's what we expect our equipmemt to do.
Do you know how frequently the oil was supposed to be changed?
@@SMTMainline No. There may have been an owner's manual in the glove box, but it was probably in German.
My half brother's EX gf drove her car without an oil change and wondered why she had to pay for a new engine! LOL
are you sure they weren't NAVY guys??
@@lawnmowermanTX not as bad as filling the crankcase oil all the way up to the valve cover...
Love your fixit videos! Thanks for sharing!
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Wow that is one odd but unique locomotive im glad you got this running Good job man . Athearn thank goodness has couplers that are known to fit for AHM Rivarossi locomotives and cars they are mchenery couplers with springs incase you ever wanted them i think called MCH56. Love the 5 min later timeline. Amazing quality on motor very silent and the run by the camera Amazing
Thanks for letting me know about those couplers.
@@SMTMainline no problem. Granted they basically same type as bachmann ezmate 2 as in plastic but they are on eBay too where i got mine they are for loco and freight cars
they took a high-quality motor and then punished it with their vertical-mounting scheme.
@@tommurphy4307yeah ok....
I've excitedly been waiting for the Krauss Maffei to be running on the layout again, such an awesome looking engine!
Glad you enjoyed.
The SP version in real life really looked strange, especially with the full light package/mars lights. It had the appearance of a spider's head.
I would not wanted to see one on a track in the middle of the woods at night haha.
This was another great video SMT. I bet this is going to be another fan favorite. Have a nice day.
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Thank you for the likes!
Thanks for the tips. I have the Rivarossi type as well as one from another maker. I thought about adapting an old Athearn blue box Drive to this model. Perhaps a custom chassis and trucks with a close enough wheell base. A nice curiosity. I got both of mine from a train show over 20 years ago.
You would certainly gain better performance with a blue box drive. Making the chassis may be tricky but if you have the skill and parts it could really be something.
the action shots around 13:42 looked pretty awesome. And congrats on another repair well done.
Thank you so much!
The other thing I noticed about this locomotive is that our country took the nose design from that loco and used it on the f unit I see a close resemblance making me think they upgraded the hydraulic diesel to a diesel electric because well yeah it’s more efficient!
Southern pacific and the rio grande were the only buyers. This unit is a Hood unit. After a few years all of the imported units where under southern pacifics belt. They turned out to have many problems due to the long tunnels on the rip grande and southern pacific lines. They were all scrapped except for sp 9010 (ex sp 8799) which was used as a camera car for locomotive films or training. 9010 is going under restoration in Fremont California. BTW it’s pronounced House Maffei.
Surprisingly, those things are pretty expensive. I had 2 of them and I sold them for $150 on Ebay! Netherless, awesome video!
Southern Pacific and Rio Grande acquired these locomotives. Afterwards, SP purchased the locomotives from DRGW.
i'm confused- did SP buy them (make the same mistake) TWICE??
9 out of 10 times its useuly the little details like keeping the conductive wheels on the correct sides of each truck when you reasimble them. what i was taught growing up in the 60's and in the Air Force in the 70's the K.I.S.S. system; the Keep It Smple Stupid. kiss . it realy pays off in the long run. after being a model railroader for over 59 years and counting. it realy pays off for the better. at least for myself. an onother great video. keep up the great work, and enjoy the journy.
That saying is genius, no need to over complicate things.
Reminds me a little of the german TEE from MAN VT 11.5, used for fast passengertrains
The KM is one of my favorite locos. I have both the D&RGW and SP version AHM imported.
Nice work, SMT! Looks like all she needed was some TLC!!!
Thanks
Cool looking engine
I was doing something on my phone, and I got the notification right where I was about to tap my screen. So I immediately opened it. 😂
Same with me
@@someslavaboo7497 sorry about that. :(
Haha, thanks
Good deal SMT that was scrumdidlyumptios to see the KM running, as I have a couple. Would like to see a little
more thorough cleaning of parts and wheels (no point in putting fresh dirt down) But heck, it runs as best it
can, so who am I too judge. Hat tip on gittin' the old girl running.
I can't say I noticed any dirt or old lubricants inside the gear box but your not wrong, it doesn't hurt to clean it.
Today, the Krauss Maffei is amongst the most sought after of all Rivarossi diesels. Rivarossi did a fine job with the shell tooling and graphics. Your only other option is brass for $$$$$$,
...or model REAL locomotives like the kind AMERICA builds
I wish someone would do another run. I have a ‘dummy’ in SP. I would love another crack at a new, updated offering.
obviously you can, also congrats of 30k :)
Premium. I love the KM diesel. 💙 T.E.N.
Good job, loved that attention to detail and analysis 🧐 turning a screw back to engage the thread properly is essential, great to show that. Happy days 😇
Thank you!
that is a krass maffei ml-4000
"The hippopotamus" ^^
It seems like you would be well served by a multimeter. It would help you diagnose issues like this.
a piece of wire and a light bulb
Great job you like a pro
That screw that secures the body on the frame is a key one to do your trick on to line up the threads. Doesn't take much to strip a plastic standoff. And I don't think there was supposed to be a second screw in the other stack opening since there didn't appear to be any sign of a broken standoff to drive a screw into.
Hey Smt mainline I order Canadian national 6060 like the same of you, unfortunately, know in front in the bottom where Cowcatcher or snowplow the left side broke off because of shipping hit something was not great still run perfectly with back tail light.
I had one fresh out of the box. Bought it at JC Penny in 1966. I dont have it any more. But I do have a string of those silver and red ATSF tyco passenger cars and have tyco the orginal arsf f9 a and dummy bus. Got those December 25 1967. I still think of mom and dad when those cars are on my main line.
Nice job, really like that loco it's so quiet 👍
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They are a cool locomotive, I have one in southern pacific. Mine didn't run either so I fixed it by putting an Athearn drive under it, trucks might be wrong but it runs and pulls like a bear.
even as a model the loco is temperamental
Nice video! You can watch a video of these locos on the channel High Iron that made the popular Trainz series “San Juan” if you’ve heard of it:..
That's an interesting locomotive, Harrison. Just some maintenance and correcting someone else's re-assembly mistake and she's a runner. 😯, that freight just magically appeared. You hit 30K fast -- starting to see more ads as well.
Thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍
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somebody didn't put it back together properly- that sounds like half the locos on eBay...
Too bad, I picked one up several years ago that was new in box. Still had that Rivarossi plastic tag hanging from it.
Mint save on the vintage piece👍🚂🚃🚃🇨🇦
Electrical problem? They're ALL electrical problems, Lucky for you, they're all of the 12-volt variety. JL
Diesel hydraulic type locomotive designed mainly in Germany I think
your frame is broken when you puck it up by the shell The frame is not rigid i know It don't have all of the body screws in it but the frame on that locomotive is rigid'
Really great video.
Only Southern Pacific bought those engines and gave a few to Rio Grande
Fantastic, i love them, also the Black version from South Pacific.😍
The track that you are relaying will the two switches that were there stay there
I want to make some significant changes to the track work there. What I currently have is just temporary.
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Weird.
I remember when I was a kid seeing that engine on the side of the ahm boxes as a possible engine they offered. I ways liked the way they looked
I have been waiting for this video
Thats that German thing Southern Pacific tried out
Well done Harrison! Love that KM loco!
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Hi Harrison,
Enjoy your channel.
Any idea where you can get the ball bearings that support the armature shaft on this locomotive? I found some .5mm bearings on eBay but not sure if they are the correct size. I’m missing two ball bearings on the commutator side.
Thanks.
I think they are sold on Amazon but Rivarestore also makes them.
These were never great runners or pullers, but consider that this Rivarossi design is nearly sixty years old. The drive train is basically a copy of the Lionel "O" gauge drive set up. Now Lionel used two motors in many locos, but this is much easier with a three rail system. Also, Lionel only powered 8 of the 12 wheels in their "Trainmaster" units. This was a common accepted practice at the time. Tyco, Roco, Mehano, Lima, Varney and others all used four driven wheels. One truck picked up from one rail, the other truck picked up from the other rail. It was the same for many steam locomotives, power being picked up through the tender trucks. Athearn. and later Bachmann were the early exceptions with all wheel drive. But Athearn's Pittman motors (three pole, everything was) were not that smooth in geared locomotives. The rubber band drives were smoother, and slightly less expensive, so more popular. The same was true in early "N" gauge when it came to gear driven locomotives. Most mfgs., Rivarossi included, used a single driven truck, driving four wheels. Arnold Rapido, and later Bachmann, producing all wheel drive locomotives, but very noisy. This was due to a brass spur gear pivoting on brass worm gears extending from both side of the motor, which Bachmann copied. Being a fan of the D&RGW, and growing up in SP country, I always loved these locos.
Things have certainly come a long way since then although there is something to be said for the simplicity of these models.
Again , a nice video. Had one of these believe back in early 70s and loved it
If memory serves me right Southern Pacific had one of these. And it was is either finished or very far along in its restoration. I saw a video of it moving under its own hydraulic power I want to say 2 years ago.
I found one at a train show in Southern Pacific paint job.
Hey your Hershey factory is coming along
Vast amounts of progress have been made on it however It will not be finished in April in order to get the kind of quality I'm looking for.
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looks like a wierd mix of an F6 and a Br118 XD
I subscribed to you how did I not see this to tonight?
great job preventive mantinince is the key
Awesome job my friend that’s got to be the best running what I now call old school locomotives that I have seen in a while congratulations.
I have this engine myself and it runs great!
You seem to be very knowledgeable about trains I noticed that the engine had a 3 poled motor=not that great for a smooth operation
AHM and Tyco/Mantua were built for price point and fast running. The cheap can motors in AHM would not creep. The open frame traditional Mantua motors (common in the 40s and 50s) ran jerk then fast forward. For some reason the ran slow better in reverse. Probably as the shift slipped to a clean position on the brushes.
AHM just replace the motor with a 5 pole can.
Tyco, that motor can be tuned to run pretty slow, or you can gear down the whole mechanism.
I remember about 20 years ago my dad had the SP one ..... He said it was a Tunnel Mower, it was able to breathe better running through long tunnels .... unlike the SD45's
It's strange looking but I guess it was a good concept.
@@SMTMainline I was told the Southern Pacific was running these through the Sierra mountains and up by Donner Pass
A diesel hydraulic powered engine
The Rio Grande locomotive first appeared on the Rivarossi catalogue 1964/65 and the Southern Pacific the following year.
i have 12 of the southern pacific ones that still run & 2 in conrail
Very nice
14:03 I give a 10/10 on shooting that scene.
Yea, some quality right, lol
@@SMTMainline Unironically I like the frameing, the angle, how the train is followed and also even the lose of focus gives some old time vibes
Admire your patience...
Need tracks for it
What is the lubes you used on this loco?
I just picked an old rivarossi western and atlantic steam engine🤩
I had a used SP version. It had one speed...fast.. With the weight of the motor and the weight in the rear.. it derailed alot. The poor weight distribution caused It to be unreliable
That's unfortunate.
@@SMTMainline I call we d I bought it at a second hand shop in Montana for five dollars. I named it the wild mouse. Replaced it with an Athearn PA Daylight. Not a reliable runner either.
Sharp locomotive......excellent tune up and repair 👍
I believe that drive is shared with the early C-Liner, BL2, and the E8. Probably some Euro prototype engines also.
And their N-scale E8 and C-liner copy it in a smaller size.
The HO C-liner tooling was sold off at some point and became a Mehano produced engine, possibly as early as 1964. The BL-2 may be an exclusive to that production.
I know back in the day I had the HO C-liner apart and it's very similar with a vertical armature 3 pole motor and small gears to drive in that instance both axles, their model was a 4-axle loco. But there are very late AHM C-liners that have 8 wheel drive with the same components as the GP18 drive.
Anyways the point is for someone needing to repair these you may be able to use parts from the much more common C-liner to make it go.
It wouldn't surprise me if it shared drives with the E8 models, cheaper to make that way.
liking the different camera angles
Thanks, I've been trying.
Nice work!
WELL DONE HARRISON!!! I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!
That's a nice Diesel you got.
Ahhh
its called a MAFFIA CROUSE engine !!!.
No, Krauss Maffei.
meaning 'KEEPA-U-HANDS-OFF' in der deutsch
I have a pair of them run good
Hey could I send you an engine to work on and get it back if I paid you?
Top 15 and great vid
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Those things as re ugly but cool at the same time. I actually have 2 of them. I see some track work has been done to the layout
I tend to agree, they are interesting but not exactly beautiful.
The model is just like the prototype, unreliable!
Rivarossi models can be sensitive but I don't think someone misplacing the wheels is their fault.
yes- they made those terrific vertical-mount motors that smoked themselves when the upper bearing roasted. THAT was quite 'sensitive'....
is it brass
Great job!! What a cool locomotive!!
Beautiful locomotive!!!
Serenity !!!!
Can't believe how quiet the locomotive is.
It turned out better than expected.
Great video. Now you need to install a fire hyrorant to refuel that engine lol
It would appear so lol
Don't know how it is up in Canadia, but it's still legal to clean everything while it is disassembled--before lubricating it.😁👍
I don't really know what there was to clean. I didn't see any oil residue or dirt.
@@SMTMainline my rule is that, if I've torn it down to that point, it's no big thing to take an extra 10-20 minutes and, with a wire wheel on my Dremel, polish every contact surface, wheel and wiper. My impatience in the past has had me do what you often do...oil, drop and run...only to have to tear it all down and clean it right the first time.
That loco is sheer beauty.
Curious why the motor rotates independent of the rear truck?
I don't know if it's suppose to be able to do that or not but it runs fine ether way.
I have always been a fan of Rivarossi locomotives
They're not for everyone but I enjoy them too