Blaming Tesla for a Tragic Accident--SHAME on the WSJ!
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- If you believe the Wall Street Journal, you'll likely think from a recent article about the tragic accidental death of Angela Chao that her Tesla Model X was to blame--and this really pisses me off! In fact I propose an experiment to find out how difficult it is to escape a Tesla--if you can help me out, let me know!
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Original Wall Street Journal article: www.wsj.com/real-estate/angel... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
The WSJ hasn't worried too much about anything they publish for a long time.
TESLA=GARBAGE.
No mention of blood alcohol levels on a driver having a weekend party with her college friends. Maybe the influential family had an embarrassing detail suppressed. Peace
Intoxication doesn’t mean with alcohol only, illicit substances can be a cause too.
Agreed
RIP
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卫星图显示：从客栈到主人卧房，就这么一点距离，我走路3-5分钟足够了，播主你是怎么推测出来的“白天走路要30分钟左右”？华尔街日报的文章说驾车4分钟，也属于非常不准确的推测。
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@@robnelsonbayvillageCocaine in, fentanyl out?
Yup. It's getting more and more difficult to find actual Journalism from WSJ. They seem to have moved to a propaganda for hire business model.
Musk is more skilled in using propaganda. The stock and product are both terrible. He's the world's most successful scammer. Good luck!
That is now… typical of the WSJ
Boycott it and all the rest
One thing not mentioned here is that if a Tesla car door will not open, there is a manual release on both front doors that will open the door without electricity.
Not before the car is full of water and the pressure is same inside and outside.
@@Peter-oh3pm correct. You almost need to be aware enough of the situation early so you have a plan ahead of time. For my model 3, one additional option is to pull down the back seats and use the manual trunk opening (all cars with trunks have them). Even with pressure, at least I'd be able to use my leg mussels to get it open. But if you're upside down, you're pretty much screwed without a way to break the glass.
Probably same for every car. But doesn't help against water pressure.
@@Peter-oh3pmwell duh. Same for every car was the point.
@@Peter-oh3pm check out HOW you open them. It’s fucking insane and horrible mechanics.
This IS faulty Tesla mechanics. Elon is not a good person
It's not just WSJ. Same here in Germany. The brand of the car is only mentioned if it is a Tesla (or a Porsche and speeding is involved).
Keep in mind that newspapers do not make money on subscriptions. They make money on advertising and Elon Musk does not spend a dime on advertising.
They also reward reporters by number of clicks, not the quality of reporting.
Oh yes he does. 6 Billion US$.
It's not an excuse to lose your integrity
The WSJ is getting desperate now. You can see this in their supercheap start subscription rates.
Hit pieces aren't advertising
WSJ used to be a trusted news source. I quit reading their stories quite a while ago.
In the 1980s?
When was the WSJ a "trusted news source " ?😂
Was it when they were burying the financial corruption in the housing market in 2008 ?
Was it when they were burying the financial corruption and incentives of the Vice President and President after September 11, 2001 ?
When we're they a "trusted news source "? Seriously, I'm only 43 years old, so maybe you are much older and can refer me to a time when the newspaper had journalistic integrity.
That was before the Murdock misinformation empire bought it.
You realize the fact that all news published is intended to get you to read it
Facts are secondary.
No, he doesn't. 😂
He's just another ignorant Telsa fanboy that gets upset when anyone criticizes his man crush, Elon.
Thanks for pointing out the, yet again, obvious naming of car brand in circumstances ONLY if it is a Tesla.
All others pay blood money to not be written about. Tesla does not. Big fail. Elon should pay the Mafia to send some knee breakers. That would be cheaper.
In the US there are only about 40,000 car accident deaths per year, not one million.
WSJ would report 100 million deaths a year due to Tesla accidents if they could find a way to justify it using misleading graphs.
1 million is the global figure.
NHTSA needs to recall all cars without hand crank windows! This is a major swimming hazard! EVERY CAR MUST BE RECALLED!
All Auto companies should be required to replace ALL doors of cars without hand crank windows! For Safety!
And cars without door handles or spare tires or mirrors. Tesla fan boys were trying to validate the removal of mirrors which is currently required by NHTSA.
obviously you weren't paying attention, only teslas need to be 100% perfectly safe, being objectively the safest isn't nearly enough. 0 injuries worldwide is the only acceptable double standard to use
Hand crank doesn't help, you are not strong enough to roll down the window either. Or if you are, you'll just break the mechanism anyway.
@@mountainman6549
1. You failed to detect obvious sarcasm.
2. Those are not safety hazards.
@andrasbiro3007 there's no resistance to the window rolling down. Hand crank would work just fine.
The real story is that she died because she didn't know how to drive, she panicked and failed to lower the window. Her level of impairment following the party wasn't discussed either, and this may have led to the tragedy.
I'm not blaming her. I don't think they tech this in driving school, and it very rarely comes up anywhere else.
@andrasbiro3007 shifting is a very basic part of driving. She was probably too impaired to think clearly
@@jamespaul2587Teslas even make shifting unnecessarily difficult. Have you driven one?
@Mechagnostic yes, and there's no difficulty in adjusting. People should try a test drive instead of complaining for no reason
Stupidity kills
Sometimes life is forgiving and sometimes not
Retired autoglass worker here. On each autoglass there will be a painted trademark that will among other things indicate if the glass is laminated or tempered.
What difference does it make for me as a user ?
@@pauld3327 If the side glass is laminated, it will not shatter with a glass smasher tool. Tempered will shatter.
@@steven4315 Thanks 👍
(@7:56) John, you mistakenly said 1 million people die in auto accidents each year IN THE USA. I think that should be world wide.
I was about to say the same thing.
I also came here to point out that the figure is closer to 30,000. Otherwise, good observations.
I think facts matter and such things can be EASILY checked on, re the internet. A 15 second check says something on the order of 1.33 million a year globally.
But yes, he shouldn't say that repeatedly without checking it.
Electric windows should work also underwater as long as the 12v battery still works
As the Mythbusters proved, if the car gets very deep (and it doesn't take much) the pressure on the outside of the window make it virtually impossible to move.
Yes, but the water pressure pushes it hard to the frame, so it takes much more force to roll it down. It can be done with a high-voltage motor, so the 48V architecture could be used for this too.
@@iowa_don
It was a pond.
Not that deep
BUT
That means it's quite likely there were rocks and other debris around the car?
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You go in backwards, the water is up past the roofline *outside* the car.
What's your first reaction?
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1 of 2 in this case(?)
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1) "The car is fairly well sealed.... Call for help!
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2) "Get out fast!!"
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It seems she may have chosen option 1?
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What if she called and said "I'm in the pond, the water's coming in!"
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First reaction of the person on the phone?
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"We're on our way... GET OUT NOW!!" ?
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What might you do at that point?
There's a good chance that rather than thinking "I have 2-3 minutes before the car fills" the instructions of "get out" is the last thing you need to trigger your flight instinct.
You open the door, maybe an inch.
The door hits a rock.
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Water is now coming in FAST.
You try to close the door, but the edge is in silt, it's got other stones in it.
They stop the door closing.
Now you're in trouble.
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Instead of 1-2 minutes you have 10 seconds.
Do you try that for, or go to the other doors?
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We'll never know.
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There's possibly an irony, if this was the chain of events.
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It's likely that if she had hit the "open rear door" button, the falcon doors *would* have lifted away from any obstruction.
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All speculation, but quite possible.
WSJ is owned by Murdoch. Mostly opinion now.
Murdoch has driven UK into Brexit to get a few more cents from every sell. Murdoch owns most of the western media landscape.
Nobody would every get the idea to burn a newspaper to tell the world „fossil is bad“. They instead burn grid stations to tell the world „fossil is good, electricity is eville“.
It's a hit piece targeted at Tesla. End of story.
WSJ is garbage. I cancelled my subscription to the WSJ and NYT about ten years ago.
It seems like submersion detection that would automatically roll down the windows wouldn’t be that difficult especially on luxury cars.
Genius idea!!!
That is a great idea. Please forward your idea to Elon. @@vw3n5qlxighkrec9j1
It wouldn't save much people. Probably not worth it.
When you read excerpts from the article, it sounded like she called her friends while the car was sinking into the pond and then her friends, along with paremics and fire fighters, etc swarmed the vehicle for "several hours" unsuccessfully unable to free the trapped woman. Like death in slow motion... obviously this is not what happened as I'm certain they would have been able to free her. Very poor and inaccurate writing indeed.
she must have quite a few cocktails to behave so stupidly.... I didn't hear the WSJ mention that....
1. Mythbusters had an episode on escaping from submerged cars. Worth watching for everyone, it already saved lives.
2. It's much easier to escape from an EV than a gas car, because the battery keeps the car upright, while the weight of the engine flips it, and can flip again as it fills up. That makes infinitely harder to get out and find the surface.
3. First thing you should do if you drive into water is opening the door. You have a few seconds before it becomes hard and then impossible.
4. If it's too late to open the door, then roll down the window, you should have plenty of time for that in a Tesla. Not much in ICE cars, as the car flips and the front doors get submerged fast.
5. If that doesn't work, climb to the back seat, the rear windows stay above water longer.
6. There are special tools for breaking the window. But if the car keeps flipping randomly you may not find it in time. Still better than nothing.
7. If all else fails, you can still get out easily. Stay calm, stay still, slow down your breathing, conserve air. When the car is completely filled with water, the doors will open easily. In a modern car you may have to use the mechanical emergency release. You should know where these are in your car.
8. You can increase your chances by taking a few scuba diving lessons. With little practice you can stretch out your air supply drastically, and you'll be comfortable being deep underwater. And it's really fun too, so win-win.
9. There was an interesting experiment in the Mythbusters episode. They installed a high-voltage motor into the door and it was able to roll down the window even fully submerged.
Could be another great use case for the 48V architecture.
10. Another thing that Tesla and other manufacturers could do is using the door Cybertrtuck/Mach-E style opening mechanism to help push against the water pressure. Allegedly the Cybertruck's is strong enough to break an inch thick ice, so it could be strong enough to open the door even when it's mostly submerged. The water would rush in for a few seconds, but as the pressure equalizes the door should open normally.
Could be activated automatically when someone tries the open the door while the car is submerged.
" If that doesn't work, climb to the back seat, the rear windows stay above water longer."
In an ICE vehicle because the heavy motor is in the front, an EV may not behave the same way.
my windows crank down.
Seriously, though, this is NOT just an EV problem. Across the board windows as well as door locks are controlled electronically now, essentially meaning that the signal goes to the computer then the computer (hopefully) activates the door, There are problems with doors opening while driving, or conversely locking and refusing to respond.
Yes many have manual over-rides, but too many people don't even know they exist or how to use them. We DON'T need this excess complexity.
A simple search of “car crash news” reveals the bias of news. It’s extremely rare for the news to mention the make and model of Legacy vehicles in crashes. But “Tesla”is in almost every headline if their vehicles are in a crash. 🤨
I'm in shock Tesla was blamed by WSJ over Angela Chao tragic ending, not the 'pond' that failed to get out of her way at that night.
Tesla is the most sought after EV in China because it doesn’t self-combust and it is the safest car in the whole world. Chinese people are afraid to die including me.
It think it's not just a Chinese thing, people generally fear death in every culture.
Dr. know it all - no need to do that, EVERY Tesla comes w/ a MANUAL escape system.
in Model 3/Y they have manual release pull tabs , under the Door pockets (4).
in the Model S/X they have MANUAL door Release on the Door Handles (4).
Ms. Angela Chao was sister of Elaine Chao, former Secret of Transportation and Secret of Labor. Elaine Chao is also wife of Mitch McConnell, current Senator and Senate Minority Leader. This has been included in the coverage of most news articles. The way WSJ emphasizes the story (about Tesla) is very odd!
This does need a very thorough investigation given the McConnell connection. I hope I'm paranoid but this has shades of defenestration, maybe not Russian but she did a lot of international business.
Condolences to the family, such a tragic event above all.
How many current models have hand crank windows? My 2015 Model S would prob behave similarly. However, I have been driving 56 years & drove in Hawaii (surrounded by the Pacific Ocean)for 7 years never having been in a submerged sinking vehicle. I have a ResQme glass breaker & seatbelt cutter on my keychain as well as hanging on a steering wheel stalk. I keep the hammer type rescue tool to dispatch bugs in my garage.
Thank you Dr. Know-it-all. Tesla makes the safest vehicles ever built. Sad story about Ms. Chao. I wish her family the best. 🙏
Thanks for sharing! That looks like a helpful device to own. Hope you can perform the experiment and looking forward to the result.
Sewer-level journalism.
I was typing this while the second part of your video played and you described the same hammer that I have:
I carry a safety hammer in my door pocket for this situation in case my Skoda kills me (or my previous Fords or Vauxhalls).
The only way I can see this being a special case for Tesla, is that they are far more likely to providing an update that makes the car open the windows automatically in case the car gets completely covered in water. This feature needs to be possible to shut of for when cleaning the car though.
The camera suite and interior camera could detect such a situation. But realistically it is a huge undertaking at the current state of ai to get that done properly, ai is developing fast and in a few years such a feature and other emergency scenarios and the reaction of the car to it, might be much easier to implement.
The only thing that could put some blame on Tesla in this article is the gear shift.
From what I understand the gearshift stalk is pretty standard in all American cars and has the same behavior : down for drive and up for reverse. In recent models, the stalk has been replaced with on screen swiping, but on the screen the car is logically facing up. So you swipe up for drive and down for reverse. It makes perfectly sense but this also means that someone with years of habit of driving regular cars might distractedly swipe up for reverse.
I have 3 cars. All have a different function for the right stalk. My Honda has turn signals, My Tesla has gear selector, and my Volvo has wiper controls. Needless to say muscle memory is useless. When I switch between cars it's frustrating. Every time I get in the Volvo I think I'm throwing the car into drive but instead I put the wipers on full blast. Plus with the stalks pretty much hidden it's not abundantly clear at a glance. This lack of an industry standard is bizarre. It is this issue that has me wholly embracing Teslas new "no stalks" approach. Imagine if a car company felt it was somehow beneficial to swap the accelerator pedal and the brake? So why do manufacturers put gear selectors on a stalk that is not readily seen at a glance when histroically the stalks were turn signals/lights or wipers. Move the gear selector to the center console where the majority of cars have put this critical control.
According to the news today (3-21-24), the billionaire lady was intoxicated, three times over the legal limit. When you're drunk, it doesn't matter what kind of car you're in.
RE: Shame on the WSJ...
Whatever it takes to get those views. Its all about the $$$. Truth dont matter. They gotta get that cash.
REMEMBER,
its nothing personal. Its busine$$.
!
You said that 1 million people die every year in auto accidents in the US. That's close to the worldwide number, so I think it was just a slip. In the US, it's around 40,000.
My Grande voyager 2009 has issues with the doors not opening.
I have written to and complained about this to Fait!!!
Even on the service recall I told them no one seemed to be worried!!!!
luckily, no need to test your idea Dr. KIA. Mythbusters have already shown how to escape a submerging, or already submerged car. there's clips on youtube of this episode. i highly recommend people to watch it.
There are about 47000 fatal auto accidents in the US annually.
Mythbusters explored how to get out, and why the window and door can't be opened once the water pressure is high.
I just got spring-loaded emergency window breakers because of this incident. You won't be able to swing a hammer under water because of the water's resistance.
Interesting that if the glass is submerged, it’s difficult to break? I have an escape glass breaker attached to my driver side door panel (it’s visible and within reach, I don’t have to find it among other things in the side door pocket). I can swing it pretty hard, unless I am injured…. Then again, panic insues after driving into a pond, and maybe one just can’t think one’s way out of the problem. Phoning for help, would not be my first choice.
Glass breaker should work with a small tap. The glass is under stress, it wants to break, you just giving it permission.
I suspect swinging the glass breaker through air before the car is filled with water is quite easy. But it could also be that in the panic it takes time to locate the glass breaker and if the car had filled with water or was in an awkward position the glass breaker may not perform as expected. In fact I doubt the glass breaker would function with enough force if swung through water.
The types of glass used in automobiles used on U.S. roads are mandated by the governement through the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Even her Wiki has named the Tesla model X in her death and stated how hard it was to break the windows of the vehicle, without mentioning that she made no attempt (for whatever reason) to open the doors or windows as soon as the vehicle entered the water and instead decided to make a phone call.
There are sooo many layers to this story….deep , deep dark
*Manufacturers don't design for being submerged, nobody wants to pay for that option when it's so rare occurrence.* 😂😂😂😂
Common glass break tools don't have the same effect on laminated glass (all windshields and luxury side/rear windows) as they do on tempered glass (side/rear windows on common cars). Tempered glass shatters into pea-sized granules while on laminated glass the plastic "glue" between laminated layers keeps the other layer from breaking and holds the broken layer together. Film for window tinting has a similar effect - albeit with a single glass layer.
The primary escape tactic for laminated side glass is to wait until the car fills with water and use Tesla's emergency door latch AFTER the pressure equalizes.
You should be talking about the real problem, i.e. laminated glass in side windows. Laminated glass turns a car into a death trap.
NO paramedic or firefighter could break a window?
I do wonder if auto shifting was enabled on her X. I keep mine disabled. I did have an instance where I thought I swiped from reverse into drive but didn’t. I almost backed into a vehicle behind me. 🙄. One clue was that the visual display above the yoke shows the view of the backup camera. Also, couldn’t Tesla do a software update that automatically rolled down the windows if FSD sees the vehicle going into the water? Ultimately, FSD would prevent this, right? I remember a couple of months ago, google maps directed a non Tesla onto a road where the bridge was out!
The cars should prevent you from bumping into obstacles.
Usually if you start driving, you start slowly with increasing speed to see that everything is as intended. I would realize that the car is in reverse quickly and correct it. It is also not a good idea to park too close to a pond. Something is not adding up here.
Drunken driving is a bad idea. Also, old folks may not have the coordination for all that swiping. I like my shift knob and turn stalks on my KIA EV. Tesla needs to build cars for humans, not gamers.
@@OrmondOtvos
Most humans are swiping all day on their phones, it's more natural then the stalks.
In order to test the break-ability of the laminated glass, you’d have to do it under water (wearing scuba gear). I think this would be an interesting experiment.
Yes, but fortunately already done by the Mythbusters. The episode is available on TH-cam.
@@andrasbiro3007 Yeah I since found a video that basically shows it can't be broken especially not under water. Scary thought.
Well put together analysis.
In a lot of accident stories involving Tesla's, the Tesla should be replaced by "car," since Teslahood has nothing to do with it.
A few years ago there was a documentary on how doors are hard to press out as a vehicle is sinking. A recommendation for anyone driving near bodies of water is to have a automatic punch in their vehicle to break the glass allowing escape. These are at local hardware stores that have tools. Your tool will do the same. Am not sure what the dual glass would do. Maybe have to punch it twice?
Forgive my ignorance. But isn't the top of a car generally air tight? If the car submerged? Isn't there always a pocket of air trapped at the ceiling of the car? That would give the occupant at least half an hour of air?
Sad event and I agree that the article is annoying in its anti-Tesla slant. By the way, if anyone is in this situation, you should put the window down and/or open the door and take off your seat belt as soon your car hits the water. If you can't escape immediately and the water starts pressing on the door so that you can't open it (the forces are very high), you should wait for the cabin to fill with water, so that the pressures equalise on either side of the door (I'm sure this is more easily said than done) and then simply open the door (you would use the manual door release in a Tesla) and swim out. Adam Savage demonstrated this on an episode of Mythbusters.
What is specific to the Tesla is the complaint of the car's bad gearbox controls can be accidentally set into reverse. I've seen comments by Tesla drivers saying the reverse drive goes only at a max speed of 3mph but transmission control make getting the Tesla out of reverse difficult to do. Accounts seem to suggest that Angela Chao panicked and was unable to get the car out of reverse quickly enough before her Tesla started sinking into the nearby pond. Some vehicles require more skill to drive than others - Tesla for all its high tech is not for everyone.
I find that true on all media, except TH-cam! If a car is involved in an accident orr fire, it's a car. If a Tesla is involved, it's a Tesla!!
Any modern car with power windows and electric door actuators that goes into the drink is bad news for all but the calmest and least panic prone.
I truly believe that when it’s your time to go, it’s your time to go. It doesn’t matter if you have a gazillion dollars or is protected inside a fortress. I remember several years ago when there was a Takata air bag recall where during an accident it was deployed and a high schooler’s throat and jugular vein were severed by the broken metal pieces. My car was on the recall list and I thought that that could have been me if it was my time. I think they are going to drain the water out or just move to somewhere else. WSJ needs better writers. Don’t know if they even cared.
Mythbusters did a great episode on this, you can’t hand crank a window under water, there is over 600lbs of force against it. Adam had to wait for the car to fill before opening the door manually (which teslas can do if you read the manual). I keep a seat belt window hammer and a spring loaded sheetmetal pop center in the glove box so I can break the glass, even safety glass in a Tesla. It’s the same tool car thieves use to break into teslas.
Maybe not in an electric glovebox, if you need power, time and a working Tesla computer to open it? Maybe it needs to be more directly on-hand at all times, and hope you never ever need it.
No; you can't open the door. You can open the window.
@@jamesengland7461 have you seen the Mythbusters episode? Your window is attached to a plastic gear that doesn’t have the mechanical advantage against glass pressing in to the tracks at 600 lbs. but by all means, hang on to your opinion when your in your sinking car that you can simply roll the window down rather than take the advice of people who actually experienced it.
@@jimwithheld7217 that box isn’t that hard to open, also, 12 volt accessories work under water. It’s part of why the NTSB requires that there is a car 12v battery in an electric car.
Sounds like she was drunk or drinking.
This seems like an opportunity for Tesla set the higher standard for cars becomes submerged. Maybe the driver's window would open automatically in a case of water sensors/cameras recognizing that it is becoming submerged. vehicle.
There was a show called myth busters. They did an experiment of a car underwater and escape from it. The car had power windows and it turns out the low voltage works underwater. But a higher voltage won’t. Thinking about the 48 volt systems coming. But anyway the car was 12 volt in the accident. So the windows should work? Not sure. But check out that myth buster episode. Let us know. Test 48 volt systems underwater. Does that work or is it the threshold?
Interesting thought.
You can open the Tesla doors manually.
@@stoic1024 Difficult to do in water because of outside water pressure. It's like someone holding the door shut.
It's the other way around. The 12V motor can't roll down the window due to insufficient power, but a much more powerful high-voltage one can.
@@andrasbiro3007 ok since mythbuster video showed it can I’m gonna assume you’re wrong.
Tragic but there is a emergency manual door release on Teslas that she apparently didn’t know about.
I agree with your video. I read about it in a different magazine, but it had the same erroneous and inflammatory headline insinuating that Tesla was at fault. There is no way you can screw up the shifting drive or reverse unless you are intoxicated. There was a TV interview in Ontario about a woman who was trapped in her car with her young child for 30 minutes after the battery died. They failed to mention that every Tesla door has a manual lever! It's very frustrating seeing the constant Tesla negativity in the news. Every time a car accident occurs, they mention the brand if it's a Tesla but do not mention any other brand.
Pro tip: when driving into water, open the window for better cell coverage.
The WSJ has an anti-Musk article once a week. They really do stink.
understandable, musk is a dumbass
Her blood alcohol level was 0.233 grams per 100 mL. Texas limit is 0.08.
What will shatter the side windows in a car is an automatic center punch.
The tip would need to be a carbon tip or it likely won't work. Many small pocket knives have a glass breaker at the end of the handle but surprisingly if it's normal steel it's less effective than with a high carbon based tip.
Normally, the tips on these automatic center punches is likely heat treated tool steel that can put a dent in ordinary steels. I carry one in my car in the door pocket.@@sunrisejak2709
Yeah, agree. I stopped reading WSJ years ago when objective journalism went out the window.
Ive been having this exact device for years now
The Daily Mail took the WSJ article and blamed Tesla in the headline. Of course readers went to the comment section blaming Tesla hating on EVs in general. Every week the MSM publishes hit piece against EVs.
"Woman attempts three-point turn. Dies."
If you've driven a Tesla & have tried to do a 3 point turnaround on a incline, you will find its not like a typical gas car. Tesla's will roll on a incline even when in gear and can be tricky. If you're not familiar with how they work you can get in trouble quickly. Being the headline says "mistake in a Tesla", I take that to mean the driver made a mistake. I'm not sure if she was on a incline, but if she was I can see how this could happen due to a driver who is unfamiliar with how the car reacts in those conditions error.
I don't want to read the article and give it views. But will anyone who read the article tell me if there was any mention of the manual door open latch in all Tesla vehicles?
She MUST have pushed the throttle HARD. Tesla cars move off with a gentle push on the throttle and are very easy to control if a driver is reasonable competent.
This tragedy is actually related to EV cars in general. 1st point is the instant torque available for the EV, which is far greater than the traditional ICE cars. 2nd point is the EV battery location, which is always at the bottom of the car. When a EV went into a pond, it would short the EV battery first, which then cause flow on effect to the ECU (even though the auxiliary battery may still function normally for a few more seconds after the main EV battery in contact with the water). Depending on the design of the ECU, it may shutdown the car, or may cause malfunction of the ECU rendering the door unlocking and window winding system inoperable. In any case, EV is prone to be in more trouble in water than ICE cars. New regulation is required to have a fail-safe system in place for unlocking doors and winding down windows for all modern cars in emergency, particularly when vehicles ended up in water like this tragedy.
Besides, EV are much more heavier than ICE cars…
In all honesty, had she been in a gasoline-powered car with manual controls, her chances of survival would likely have been greater-perhaps even avoiding the water incident altogether. People have voiced concerns about the inconvenience of using a touchscreen to change gears in Teslas, as well as the reliance on screen-based controls for every function, particularly in emergency situations, which can be life-threatening.
In all honesty.....?
You mean "In all speculation"
Let's set a scene
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She's "had a few"
Going to see her child.
Decides to take the car.
Was it set for her, or another driver?
Was it another drivers key card?
Did she think "it's ok, it's not far"
Did she engage reverse look and over her shoulder?
(Or was she relying on the camera while close to the pond?)
Did her foot slip off the brake?
Or when she reversed, did her foot miss the brake due to the seat position?
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Whatever....
The car entered the water...
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Then there are many unknowns.
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Did it go in level?
Was the bottom of the pond level?
Did she try to open the door (before or after the phone call) to find a rock, or another obstruction, preventing it from opening enough to escape but enough to allow water in?
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This is the result of an unfortunate chain of circumstances which tend to happen when people find themselves in a life threatening situation which they have never encountered, in a vehicle not suited to the situation ("being in a pond".... That's ANY car?) With limited time to think.
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The reflex action of *Open the door* !!! MAY have been the final mistake she made?
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But that's all speculation, of course.
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As for your speculation regarding "the reliance of using a touchscreen to change gears"
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It was a *2020 Model X*
With a *Mercedes supplied column shift stalk*
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Great example of confirmation bias there?
1) "Tesla"
2) "Reversing involved"
3) "Tesla uses touchscreen controls!"
4) "Tesla touchscreen is the problem!"
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No.
maybe that‘s because they attribute intelligence to the car, they can find it guilty.
Has anyone ever seen one of them things that go on a keychain and they have a window braking mechanism on them and a concealed razor to cut a seatbelt? They were invented before Tesla's.
With key fobs and smart phones operating cars it's getting more rare to have a key chain. In my cars it's now a mobile as the key or a plastic card. My house has a digital door lock so I haven't used a key chain on years.
Doesn't the retracted door handlr design also make it hard for first responders to access the interior of the car? Maybe a Tesla owner could clarify if that is not true.
I was just commenting on this last night. The loss of any human life is a tragedy, but also a learning experience so others don't perish the same way. I think the reason why some people blame Teslas for bad outcomes, is that Tesla should know better and be better than the competition AND they should. If Tesla is going to be the best and safest, they MUST have programming for egress scenarios. This is such an easy fix. When a vehicle is in a "water landing" situation, it should automatically open all windows and turn on all lights interior and exterior. That is a simple software update. Having egress tools in the driver's zone is also very easy. A seat belt/window tool and a waterproof flashlight should be standard equipment in all vehicles. Use your platform to spread this, DKIA. They won't listen to me, but they might listen to you. May her death not be in vain.
Not that simple. The car can't know how deep or how wide the water is. As we saw many times, you can drive across a small pond in a Tesla without any problem. Opening the windows than could sink the car that would otherwise make it just fine.
Any such emergency measure only activate if someone is trying to open a window. Or maybe if the car doesn't move for a few seconds and the tires don't touch the ground.
A lot of other things can be done to. A 48V motor can roll down the windows even underwater. The Cybertrucks door opening mechanism could overcome the water pressure. An AI in the car could just tell the passengers what to do. It could even be a simple voice recording, but we have a powerful AI in the car anyway, so why not.
And of course the new Roadster may work as a hovercraft too.
The death is tragic, but almost all media now post anything about teslas whether true or not, for the past 10 years of commuting between Vancouver and Abbotsford BC I’ve seen dozens of gas cars on the side of the road burning, I’ve never seen an electric car on the side of the road burning yet in the 10 years, but one Tesla catches on fire in downtown Vancouver it was the first news story on all the local stations, the national stations and even some of the international stations, but I’ve never seen out of those dozens of gas cars on the side of the road the number one story on the news, as you said it’s Clickbait
Also the first thing I do whenever buy a new vehicle ( or drive an unknown one) is read the owners manual on how to get out should the power fail, nobody does that anymore, but me
“Shame” on WSJ? Doc, my revivifier is a skiing expert from Whistler/Blackcomb: my Doc - also a psychologist advises, “psychopaths can’t feel ‘shame’.”
There seems to be a trend at the WSJ on articles attacking Elon Musk.
The reasons may be: 1. An effort for clickbaits since Elon draws views, 2. The fact that X (Twitter) has become a source for news for a lot of people thus a competitor. 3. Or both.
I am a paid subscriber of WSJ and I am very disappointed by this trend at the Journal.
would say that the WSJ isn't the rag we once knew. Today we look at the WSJ, and just see the opposite. Slightly intresting.
There is a lot more to this story. Chris Chappel on China Daily had a TH-cam video on this last week. Apparently the lady is Mitch Mconnels sister in law and there were stories in some Chinese papers out the day before she died saying she was killed in an accident with a truck.
It’s hard to believe that a Harvard graduate needs more than 4 years to figure out how to drive a car…..
Time for Tesla to put stalks back into those cars, or at least offer it as an option. Always thought that was a stupid decision. Yeah it was a freak accident, but her unfamiliarity with the shifter was likely a contributing factor.
I drove my Tesla missed the brakes and went in a lake... now I ain't dry BECAUSE I GOT HIGH. . .BECAUSE I GOT HIGH
So WSJ just reduced itself to a mere tabloid 😢
3:33 Only a heavily inebriated person could end up in one of these ponds after mistakenly engaging the reverse mode. All others would have had ample time to take their foot off the accelerator and onto the brake pedal.
I crashed a 1969 Mustang with hand crank windows and the police department and fire department had to cut me out with the jaws of life.
All hand crank window Vehicles should be banned
It’s stupid transmission via touchscreen certainly contributed
You missed the feature of tesla to automatically open window under water. The car is compromised.
A million die in auto accidents annually? That sounds somewhat inflated.
You don’t break glass to get out of Tesla yes you push button to open door but the Tesla have the door handle inside also which you pull and it should open the door.
The vehicle was under underwater. Until the vehicle fills with water, you cannot open the door.
The car filled slowly. She should have opened the door at about 3/4 full. She panicked, we've seen people that can't function in panic
Hopefully these replies will save lives I might be in that circumstance and now thanks to you I know to wait before trying to open door and not panic. Maybe Tesla should have drop down O2 mask like in an airplane. Or I need to get a small cylinder supply of air. Thank you !!!!!!!