BOW-MAG .357 Exploding Arrow Tips - We test them out!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2014
- Wow, just wow! P.T. Barnum must have invented these things!
"It's almost not fair" the packaging claims. Unfortunately, that means to the buyer. Not only are the Bow-Mags destroyed when they are used one time, but they also damaged every arrow we used in this test. (have you seen the prices of carbon fiber arrows?) We do some testing using the Bow-mags at some hard targets to see if the company's claim that these devices give the power of a .38 or .357 magnum to an archery arrow.
This is the company's OWN video on this product, you gotta see this BS!
• "We've Added Bang to t...
We set out to use all 6 of these devices but got fed up after only 3 tries.
(We couldn't afford destroying any more expensive carbon fiber arrows)
The Bow-mags are designed for medium to large game. Good luck with that. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Wow, that guy in the pic is way prettier than me! But the slingshot you gave him is atrocious. Other than that, try shooting a way more heavy arrow shaft so the cartridge has more weight to press against. Think 500 gram crossbow bolt.
Very good "point" :)
I think that was an old photo from the 80's when you were doing professional wrestling still. Your newer slingshots look a lot better now and don't look like they were made on Microsoft Paint. lol I think we'll see how the Bow-Mags work being shot out of a shotgun next and see if they are more promising.
but isnt the issue still with there being no barrel to direct the energy forward with the round. the brass case will just blow apart no matter what is behind it and the energy will be wasted in all other directions. if the bow mag had some sort of single use sleeve to keep the brass from bulging and the round a channel to travel i think it would be a little better. the heaver shaft would be good to prevent it from being ruined but would not help the ballistics of the round.
***** Haha, I was just messing with him. That wasn't even him in the photo.
***** Ah, I thought it actually was him too. Bummer, I would have loved it if it was him - Joerg's a great guy, it would have been quite funny.
"the 5 lbs gummy bear, although comical, is very dense target" I'm not sure why that made me laugh so hard.
First I wanted the bow mag.
Now I just want the five pound gummy bear.
www.vat19.com/item/worlds-largest-gummy-bear
I'm not sure if this is where he gets his gummy bears, but this is a good place to get them. Lots of flavors to choose from, and you can trust this site.
Deadly Candy - The Shootout!
JoergSprave had his revenge and made ME into a target!
and now i think u r a germanXD
The round needs like an "external sabo" or "barrel" right?
Could be easy to fashion a piece of steel pipe to the OD of the .357/.38 round? Or perhaps to compensate for the size of the pipe, fit a .45 / 9mm with a "sleve/exter-sabo/barrel" then put it in the arrow head?
+1?
Oliver revilO
I was thinking the same thing too. As soon as I saw they were all plastic I knew they would be crap.
Christopher Morris Absolutely. Perhaps they will revisit the video in a part 2?
I can see potential in the rig, it is an impressive idea. Though like you said the energy needs to be contained...
As an aside; Perhaps stacking 3 .22's LR's in a pyramid shape (with a modded barrel / sleeve)?
Oliver revilO I will be taking the 3 remaining ones, filling them with lead shot and shooting them out of a shotgun. I don't think John wants to waste any more carbon fiber arrows.
Without the back pressure created by the chamber of a pistol you are screwed :)
its not so much the chamber that gives the pressure, but the actuall brass casing.... being seated and kept from exploding, by the chamber.
look at a revolver.... all the cylinder does is hold the round and keep the brass from exploding.... then you loose a few feet per second because of the cylinder gap...
if they made these out of metal or stronger plastic.... it would work well
***** Basically what tony said.
They should make the arrow tips part that holds the ammo from metal or something strong enough the keep the ammo casing from exploding. Then I'd like to see what damage would they manage to get.
Even if this worked 100% efficiently as if throwing a pistol st the target and have it fire point blank range, what are you going to gain? Even if the arrow travels at what is pushing ranges for most, say 50 yards, the velocity and energy loss over that distance is insignificant.
All in all, this product clearly is pointless (no pun intended). I can't even see a marketing angel for it. You couldn't use it out of firearms season as it is still a firearm in itself. Plus there's still the noise associated.
Great vid as always, though.
***** I think you need to re-examine how a firearm works. How do you think firearms worked before brass cartridges?
Without a chamber and barrel to build PRESSURE- you are basically just throwing .357 rounds at your target... waste of $$$!
Waste of an arrow, waste of a round, probably a waste of a good kill-shot if you had just used a broad-tip arrow.
Still deadly
A major problem is that the bullet casing isn't strong enough by itself to hold the explosion. When in the rifle chamber, the explosion is directed one way only (except for the slight recoil).
I agree. Totally useless. They would be useless at a buck a piece, at 40 bucks, plus shaft, plus round, they are absolutely ridiculous.
I probably would have felt cheated if these came in a Happy Meal. lol
I know this is 6 years old. But the bow mag heads exposed inside the game not on impact.
@@envynemo4170 How do they get INSIDE the game? The ends are not sharp enough to go into an animal, they will either bounce off the skin of the pig or explode outside the skin of the pig.
In one cold make the tip more slender and pointy, and delay (by some sort of lever mechanism maybe ?) the activation long enough for the explosive part to go off inside the (soft) target, that might work wonders.
Great video. I heard about these recently but had my doubts. It's great to see them demonstrated.
The gummi bear never ceases to amaze... It went full Predator scream with that lever action hit... Yet the recovery footage shows its face all closed up up and looking more or less normal. What a trooper.
I was amazed how tweaked-out the face was too, and it just "regenerated" back to normal again. We are having harder and harder times finding little spots to hit that haven't been hit before! WAY past due buying a new gummy!
Hey Tao, awesome vid loved it! Keep up the great work.
Looks like you found a nice location for operating!!!!!! This is some straight up destructo ranch level operating. be careful, the doctor might sue your ass for trademark infringement! Fun video. Those arrows would be seriously awesome to play around with.
If they had a steal insert to focus the energy(act like a barrel), would it work then? Even if it did work, is a light arrow enough of a resistance to let the bullet fly at a decent velocity? Or will it send the arrow backwards? No one knows, maybe someone could make some?...;)
lcstown First law of thermodynamics dictates that the arrow necessarily goes backwards in direct proportion to the speed of the projectile it sends forward. I imaging a steel "barrel" would do a better job than this plastid one, since it would lose less energy out the sides, but I doubt it's as effective as a rifle -- it's probably still less effective than a simple arrowhead.
Ryan Gatts Agree completely, however, it would make a good video! haha
This is about 100 feet from the bee-hive area. A big problem with this place, were these dudes on ATV's that kept riding right on top of that backstop. The only good thing is these things fit a 12 ga. so I am going to shoot them out of the Mossy. (without the rounds inside to be legal)
i still think makeshift explosive rounds are cooler
Thanks for informing the public!!!
Detonating arrows seem fun, even if they don't have an application in hunting or armor piercing, it feels very satisfying to have something explode as you hit it with a visible projectile.
Yeah, it was fun shooting them. I think using them to hunt with would be a bad idea.
Well, the problem is that you don't have the barrel. As you said, the pressure just destroys the coat and doesn't accellerate the bullet. With a barrel, the pressure has more time to accellerate the bullet until it can go in any direction.
Ha! I did my own video on this just last week (uploaded but won't be live until later this week). My results were equally disappointing. 2 out of 3 shots into ballistics gel did not ignite. I hit my 3/4" plywood backstop with one and got less damage than if I shot it with a quality broadhead. I tried to get one to blow up a watermelon, but I had to use a piece of fiberboard placed inside the melon to get ignition.
I watched a couple videos on this and they had the same problems with the watermelons, they just went through, then the round went off when it hit the ground. That's why I went for the harder targets. Not sure if you saw the COMPANY'S own YT video on these but I'm sure you will agree it is very deceptive, if not completely fraudulent. It would be not only cruel to use these to hunt game with, but possibly dangerous to the hunter when the injured animal charges. "We've Added Bang to the Game!" Bow-Mag by Rac-Em-Bac (version 2)
***** No kidding,You wouldn't get anything but a nasty surface wound and a pissed off hog out of these things.
I watched several different videos after I saw your test. There were all the same
dismal results. Some tried using plywood (1/4"), Phone books, Locker doors.
The conclusion I came to is only the wannabe "Rambo" type would buy it to
show their friends. Never be worth a damm and surely not the money it cost.
thanks for the review i have been wondering about these
It would be cool to see what would happen if you modified one of those with a makeshift unrifled barrel. Granted the arrow or the bullet fired in a traditional manner will airways be more effective, it would be interesting to see it work properly
I SAW ONE OF YOUR VIDEOS ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL TODAY!
Did you authorize this?
I keep seeing people say it needs a "barrel" but what I THINK they mean is a chamber. The chamber is what contains and directs the force, the barrel stabilizes the bullet to give a consistent trajectory. Now a chamber with no effective barrel might not be any more or even as lethal as an actual gun from a distance but the idea is to make it more lethal than a regular arrow. The problem is that a chamber strong enough to contain the force is going to be very heavy and reduce the effective range the arrow can be fired. Plus the modern arrowheads might still be more effective than a contact shot from a .357 without a barrel to help generate velocity.
There are so many variables that it would require an awful lot of testing. And even if it did work the device would probably be considered a firearm and there would be a lot of gray area as to it's legality for bow hunting.
These actually performed better than I expected.
great vid as always. the issue I see with these is the same result demolition ranch got with live rounds in the microwave. without being in a barrel all the energy dissipates once the bullet leaves the casing. they would probably work a lot better if they had a steal sleeve that acted as a chamber for the bullet... just my 2 cents
That gummy bear taking a shot from the .357 mag rifle reminded me of the videos you see when Kennedy is shot in the head while driving down Reunion Street in Dallas.
I'm glad i watched this! ... I assumed they had a small thin walled chamber around the brass casing ... maybe made out of some kind of cheap case hardened steel? ...
We used to duct tape .22 magnum bullets to the end of our pellet guns as kids (don't do this at home kids ;) .. and they were 100% useless except to make noise ... this looks like the same idea ....
If you just want to make noise duct tape a shot gun primer on the arrow, that would make a POP when it hit anything solid
Cameron over at Twang n' Bang tested these and got the same results. Without a chamber to contain the detonation, you don't get much forward thrust behind the bullet. Don't waste your money.
Great vid as always!
You guys are crazy keep it up!
I cut a little of the tip off, put an o-ring in the end to hold a .223 round in it and fired it. It worked alright, just a little on the heavy side.
I deduct 2 points, the gummy bear didn't stick the landing on that backflip lol. Great vid as alway! 👍
Some things belong together- Bow & Arrow, Boy & Girl, Smith & Wesson.
Bullet & Arrow- WTF? The result is less effective than either component on its own.
Thank you for a practical demonstration of an impractical idea.
Yeah, it's like a sirloin steak with chocolate sprinkles on it. lol
Is there a custom bow mag ballistic tip that support 40mm grenade round ?
There may be a practical use for it, when the head shatters it could do a lot of lacerations and hence draw more bleeding in the target, but then again, a deep wound woulld probably be both more effective and more inhibiting than lots of surface lacerations...
nice pop from the mag round, but at a hell of a price!.
better off making something that just uses large rifle primers to make a bang on impact!
A lot of noise but not a lot of damage. I plan to just fill the remaining 3 with lead shot and shoot them out of a shotgun. They fit perfectly!
triumphant39 Wouldn't make much difference. The biggest disadvantage is the lack of a barrel/firing chamber to focus the power of the charge.
Now, if you strapped the mass and barrel of a magnum revolver to that arrow you should get similar results to a normal magnum shot. Though something tells me, with all that mass, your range would suffer somewhat.
I used 8mm blanks and masking tape to make exploding bolts for my pistol crossbow. They do more damage than these, probably because there isn't a heavy bullet in the way of the blast. The bolts are re-useable afterwards.
Love your videos!!
Seems like it could work like intended if the design and structure was tweaked a bit. Keep experimenting.
I think the key to these is the creative use of just the primed brass to perform... "other tasks" lets say.
It's not surprising that these are completely ineffective, but they could be a handy way to make explosive arrowheads - they're a nice ready made way to set off a primer which could then detonate a larger charge.
Interesting. The idea is there but nerds much more improvement. Good video, thanks for sharing and testing th err m out. They do cost alot and don't deliver performance.
Seems like it needs a free firing pin in the shaft. Driven back when released and would add a delay after impact as it flew forward into the firing cap. Rat / snakeshot might work better as a load.
With some modifications, as in making it out of metal so the brass doesn't explode, it would probably be rather effective. Might also launch the arrow back out of the target and towards the shooter though.
To make it effective you would need a short barrel to contain and direct the round. Basically a flying slam fire pistol. In that case you'd need enough barrel to introduce rifling AND you would be required to make it yourself and WOULD NOT be allowed to sell it. An effective broadhead bullet combo will never be commercially sold for those reasons alone.
I don't know but i think a gator boomstick head would be better on the end of a arrow as it has something to prevent the case from flying apart and more pressure goes to propelling the round maybe you could test it?
I'm not saying this to be crass, but that's slow motion shot of the rifle - hit made me think of the Zappruder film.
Thinking about it, there are probably two reasons these things suck:
First the gases that are created when burning the gunpowder aren't channeled properly and thus the bullet doesn't get propelled too much.
Second according to Newton's third law a lot of the energy is used for braking the arrow and doesn't really create propulsion for the bullet.
The only thing I could think of after the rifle:
"BOOM! HEADSHOT!"
Does this have a metal sleeve to keep the brass compressed?
I was wondering when I was going to see this from you. I pretty much never had any use for this.
Some of the guys at work were looking through Sportsman Guide and wanted to try them out. The company's video on these things show hogs being dropped with these. The video sure made them to look powerful and effective!
***** OH NO!!! IF ONLY THEY HAD MADE IT WITH 6,001 HULLS, WHEN WILL THEY LEARN???
maybe if they had metal on them, they wouldn,t suck
***** u can kill hogs with 22 with good placement also I wondrr if the reason why they are not super effective is it requires a metal chamber instead of plastic to prevent expansion or explosion of the brass then mabee it would give the desired effect basically the chanber of arevolver on a arrow lol
kpsgoing I'd figure then they would fly straight back as the energy would take the path of least resistance. I'm surprised these things did as much as they did.
kpsgoing my thoughts exactly, make it out of good quality aluminum and it would be much more effective.
it's been done with atlatl darts successfully, all you have to do is make them into mini chambers instead of those plastic travesties and use them for crossbow quarrels instead of arrows and it'll work as intended
Barry, Is that how you shoot up a locker?
Yes it is, Other Barry. Yes it is.
Haha, I think you are the only one to get the other Barry joke.
Well, they certainly put on a show, it was fun watching it explode. But I'm not sure it would be lethal in most cases.
You should try filling up the dead space around the bullet with gunpowder so the whole thing explodes. Or make a jacket to reinforce the bullet so it doesnt blow apart.
Can you put the bullet inside a small chamber and barrel and make one of these of your own?
Bullets rely on the pressure built up in a barrel to act correctly. It is a stupid idea if you understand ballistics. I loved the gummy bear head shot!
That stool had seen some pretty rough days! Keep it!
Could it possibly get an energy advantage on the rifle fired projectile if it were to strike the target at long range? Also, it would be nice, as suggested, to see a heavy arrow, perhaps fired from a powerful crossbow.
Does it work if you mount it inside a 12 gauge rifle bullet?
Thanks Jeff for making this video. I think they stole the idea from an alligator kill stick. I glad you called this one out.
The company's video is very deceptive. I HOPED these would work but I don't have a problem exposing a fraudulent company, imho.
Just sounds really cool
Wow, what a joke of a product! Is that REALLY Joerg in that photo? He looks like an old-time wrestler! I love it!
Haha, yeah it's an old wrestle. I was just goofing around.
The reason the BowMag projectile does so little damage is directly related to Newton's Third Law of Motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is very little keeping the bullet from spreading it's explosive force out backward (throwing the casing out back) as well as forward (pushing the projectile out the front) spreading it's energy outward in opposite directions when it fires. It is essentially the same as what happens when you throw a bullet into a fire. There is nothing holding the casing in place (like a gun in your hand restricting its movement backward) as to direct all it's force forward on the projectile, therefor it explodes with "equal" force at both ends severely reducing it's forward impact. The BowMag is a marketing item meant to impress the easily impressed.
Was that the Jörg from Slingshot-Channel? Excellent cameo :D
It just looked like him so I thought I would draw a slingshot on him. lol
It's actually some vintage wrestler named Baron Von Raschke
The thing the bullet is inserted into must be metal so the bullet shell won't explode. You should make one and test it out. It would be a great video.
That could be good with a steel sleeve as energy would only went out backwards and forwards, like a RPG. But I'd go for something smaller like 32 mag or 22 mag with a closed breach, maybe crimped in place.
If it had some sort of "chamber" to keep the energy going forward, I think it might work.
So basically instead of the damage coming from the arrowhead itself it comes from the 357 inside the tip?
They are a gimmick but the concept is based around the hydro static shock and cavitation the gasses create inside a body cavity. The bullet is basically used for mass not as a secondary projectile. But a good broadhead can do devastating cavitation as well.
I'd like to see it on a heavy aluminum shaft out of a bow that's properly tuned. Conversely I dont think it would be difficult to engineer a system that worked
hey if your reading this message. u need to upgrade from that bow to what twang an bang uses 4 a crossbow. im pretty shure that will put u guy back at the top.
I didn't expect these to work, without the barrel of the gun, the rounds don't have much power at all
Thanks for the test!
It looks like the bullet just explodes sideways, therefore only a little energy is directed in sending the bullet forwards. If the casing was made of something stronger than plastic then it might actually do what they claim.
It seems like a marketing gimmick and indeed just a waste of money.
I wonder if they'ed be more effective with barrel-grade steel to keep the housing from blowing apart. The energy just isn't focused as the product stands. The concept seems promising. If it can be made to work, I'd like to see a .50 cal BMG version just for laughs (it'd be way to front heavy without a rear counterweight).
So without the chamber/barrel to focus the explosion on propelling the bullet the explosion goes in all directions and the bullet gets almost no energy. It would be interesting with a metal "chamber" equivalent in the arrow head.
Good call, the bomag gets no compression. And is destroyed on impact.
What bow are you guys using?
I think blanks in a arrowhead like this would work better, my testing shows without the bullet in front the force goes straight into the target instead of the arrow head itself.
Thank you for this reveiw you saved me some money 💰
Ah good, these things definitely belong in the gimmick category.
They may not be that powerful, but the idea is pretty cool.
You should try some .38 snake shot in them. That should be low powered enough not to blow out the casing.
I thought of that concept and I was sure someone else had tried to do it... But even thinking about it by myself I imagined it wouldn't work very well, because the barrel of the gun, obviously, directs the energy of the round and with this thing the energy is dispersed everywhere, so you waste it. Maybe if it was aluminum or carbon fiber instead of plastic, it would act like a mini barrel. Maybe then it would work better, but it would just make it even more expensive and impossible to market, since this is a gimmick to begin with. But I have to admit it's pretty cool.
I didn't think it would work because of the plastic case around the actual bullet because it wouldn't have the compression of a rifle or pistol barrel and when the steel firing pin struck the primer the gunpowder was not compressed enough to fire the bullet instead it destroyed the plastic case and shattered your arrow.My theory about the arrow heads.
Good video/review
+Kyle A thanks!
You Need a strong bullet shell (bullet casing) brother, so it doesn't explode too. Bullet tip will strong penetrate and straight accurate.
THUMBS UP BECAUSE YOU SAVED ME FROM BUYING THIS CRAP! Thank you guys.
Thanks, back to the drawing board for the novelty.
Demolition Ranch already did something similar to this by sticking a bullet on an arrow. It's pointless to do it because there is no barrel to accelerate the bullet, so it just acts as a tiny explosive. Now, putting a shaped charge at the end of an arrow; Now that sounds interesting.
Build them like a chamber to focus the energy forwards and it may work... How about building an arrow with a 22 round in the back, firing through the shaft upon impact?
It gives it the same power, but there is less pressure so it can't penetrate, because there's a massive plastic thing around the bullet...
Awesome Video Dude. Keep up the great work. Very Cool Rounds just a shame they don't do what they say on the tin. LOL. N.
If they had a 2 inch barrel they would be all right, arrow loss would be very low and you would get pretty decent penetration. But at the end of the day just use a long barreled 357 magnum pistol or a lever/bolt action it will get substantially better ballistics.
I feel bad for any partially wounded deer shot by one of these.
Interesting idea ..... But that's the only good thing to say a bout it :p
Shooed been made fully out of metal to contain the power of the cartridge. And made it to work with an 300blackout or 9mm. Can be interesting to se it then with an 300RIPout or a 9mmRIP. In slow mow
What would it do with aluminium arrows?
Would it make a difference if the sleeve into which the round fits, was made out of something stronger than plastic, preventing the jacket of the round from bursting?
Voidindiga Probably.
Voidindiga
nonesuch made his own... arrow bullets with a metal sleeve, seemed to work a lot better, especially a 7.62
yes metal sleeve would make the bullet have way more energy but be way more heavy
That would make on hell of a firework :)..... Off to the gun store to find some.
Okay so I've been doing research and i believe if you really want some stopping power and believe me it can be done attach 5 of these arrows to the fenris compound bow or attachment depending on if you have anything above 75 pounds (which is the highest for a fenris) then widen the crossed grooves for the standard arrows and with a red dot sight if your anywhere close you're accurate asf I've seen it done with .50 bmg but ik some things you don't want accidentally blowing up in your face
Edit: Also because the repeating magazine basically acts as a barrel when fired but I could possibly see adding a lightweight carbon fiber barrel to the magazine but then to be as accurate as possible use 22lr instead.
Gonna file this one under: “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.” ✌🏽
maybe a denser plactic that is containing the bullet? and a tighter fit around the casing...
i think what theyre meant to do is use the pressure of the casing blowing open to create a large cavity, not fire the bullet.