It's simple to deal with, it above the waistline just spam jab because she is minus frames, even if they ex dp its ok to trade damage for 2 bars of drive meter.
From what I understand, another big reason why Haitani stuck with [M] Chun was because the SP variant of Kikoken had shorter charge time. He supposedly used it to great affect to rack up that big 70+ win streak in rank which put [M] Chun on the map, he even referred to it as a machine gun fireball. Unfortunately Capcom essentially nerfed his character right before evo so he lost a key piece of utility he developed with her. I wonder what difference it would've made if they waited until after EVO to do balance changes. I don't recall him just zoning ppl out with Kikoken at evo, he tended to just use the slow version as a way to walk in.
It's definitely easier to use on modern though when you don't have to press forward and you can just hold charge and press special. I wasnt aware it had a shorter charge time though.
Haitani's understanding of spacing and footsie utilization is what makes Modern Chun-Li work. He really didn't need to have access to all normals as long as he kept his defensive and offensive distance to chip damage and react with SPs he can win matches. He lost to Punk at EVO because Punk adjusted his game and used all normals with frame advantage to pressure his ground, and that's basically the weakness of all modern controls.
Good break down. I have been hesitant to try modern controls beyond what was required in World Tour, but this video and Haitani's run is making me reconsider.
The way I view modern is that it's like playing an alternate character. Yes it makes some things more accessible but others less so. Just like how in previous games Ryu and Ken were basically shadows of eachother with minor differences. Modern and Classic change minor things about how you need to fight people.
@@PKaygei play guile on modern. Ive reached gold from bronze. But now I wanna try classic guile, unfortunately my league stayed the same. Wish my league was seperate for type of controls instead of the character.
@@yrag89 It's a grind to get that rank up but congrats on making it to gold! Keep hustling I'm not great with Guile so I'd love to hear more updates from you a you progress.
@@joaofilipeferreira1279 If you referring to the auto-combos that is by definition not "all" the combos. There's also the 20% damage penalty for using the auto-combos, and these auto-combos are not optimal.
Modern is essentially macros, for me it's just another nail in the coffin for the integrity of the SF franchise and competitive play as a whole. Would you tune into evo if everyone used modern? Nah you wouldn't and you know it. The fact the community just 'accept' it showcases how pathetic and entitled our World has become, why learn to do something that's difficult when you can just take the easier option
@@Nortsan197not really because motion inputs have been around forever and were default. How can people think they are superior when there was no other option ?
Cammy's dive kick has always been a pain for me and i never thought of using lightning kicks like that, thanks for the tip
It's simple to deal with, it above the waistline just spam jab because she is minus frames, even if they ex dp its ok to trade damage for 2 bars of drive meter.
@@MS-ql8ek oh, thanks
Really interesting breakdown, I love seeing more modern users and really showing the interesting strengths and choices made.
Thanks, Glad you enjoyed the video
From what I understand, another big reason why Haitani stuck with [M] Chun was because the SP variant of Kikoken had shorter charge time. He supposedly used it to great affect to rack up that big 70+ win streak in rank which put [M] Chun on the map, he even referred to it as a machine gun fireball. Unfortunately Capcom essentially nerfed his character right before evo so he lost a key piece of utility he developed with her. I wonder what difference it would've made if they waited until after EVO to do balance changes. I don't recall him just zoning ppl out with Kikoken at evo, he tended to just use the slow version as a way to walk in.
It's definitely easier to use on modern though when you don't have to press forward and you can just hold charge and press special. I wasnt aware it had a shorter charge time though.
This was patched out before evo though
There's no diff in charge times between the control types
There used to be ... which is what the comment is saying lol. Now there isn't @@gabrielmartinsdesouza6578
@@gabrielmartinsdesouza6578there actually used to be a glitch where it did with chun li. Her fireball required 5 less frames of charge time
Haitani's understanding of spacing and footsie utilization is what makes Modern Chun-Li work. He really didn't need to have access to all normals as long as he kept his defensive and offensive distance to chip damage and react with SPs he can win matches. He lost to Punk at EVO because Punk adjusted his game and used all normals with frame advantage to pressure his ground, and that's basically the weakness of all modern controls.
Great video, didn’t consider the modern monster Chun could be. The salt in the comments was delicious
Good break down. I have been hesitant to try modern controls beyond what was required in World Tour, but this video and Haitani's run is making me reconsider.
The way I view modern is that it's like playing an alternate character. Yes it makes some things more accessible but others less so. Just like how in previous games Ryu and Ken were basically shadows of eachother with minor differences. Modern and Classic change minor things about how you need to fight people.
@@PKaygei play guile on modern. Ive reached gold from bronze. But now I wanna try classic guile, unfortunately my league stayed the same. Wish my league was seperate for type of controls instead of the character.
@@yrag89 It's a grind to get that rank up but congrats on making it to gold! Keep hustling I'm not great with Guile so I'd love to hear more updates from you a you progress.
Pretty sure you can use the areal lightning kick like that on hitbox reliably, right?
It's easier on hitbox than stick for sure, but modern is just up and special, Hitbox is still 4 buttons.
Evo 2023 was the most hyped and excited I have been for Evo ever! Great the Modern controls are good enough to get there!
It was so much fun! All the defensive mechanics in the game means people are always flipping the game on it's heels for a last second comeback.
Walking forward dps as well.
i cant hit te air legs for sit on classic lol
U didn't breakdown anything
For real I hate modern control players
Cool
Why? If you ever lose to a modern control player it's because they just played better than you.
@@Crouton- ahaha obviously because they can do all the combos without even trying? It’s just easy and boring Ahahaha lmao
@@joaofilipeferreira1279 Then play better neutral and learn some decent combos.
@@joaofilipeferreira1279 If you referring to the auto-combos that is by definition not "all" the combos. There's also the 20% damage penalty for using the auto-combos, and these auto-combos are not optimal.
Modern is essentially macros, for me it's just another nail in the coffin for the integrity of the SF franchise and competitive play as a whole. Would you tune into evo if everyone used modern? Nah you wouldn't and you know it. The fact the community just 'accept' it showcases how pathetic and entitled our World has become, why learn to do something that's difficult when you can just take the easier option
L take
get scrubquotes in here
People really thought that motion input made them superior
@@Nortsan197not really because motion inputs have been around forever and were default. How can people think they are superior when there was no other option ?
Street fighter is way more than execution. Nough said?